Trait of the fabled fisherman's wife / MON 1-22-24 / Inexperienced gamer, informally / British publishing house founded in 1935 / Bodily response to something eerie

Monday, January 22, 2024

Constructor: Jake Halperin

Relative difficulty: Medium (with one particularly hard part for this Downs-only solver)


THEME: BIRDS AND BEES (56A: Subject of "the talk" about sex ... or a hint to the answers to the four starred clues) — familiar two-word names or terms where the first word is a "bird" and the second word starts with "B":

Theme answers:
  • PENGUIN BOOKS (20A: *British publishing house founded in 1935)
  • GOOSEBUMPS (11D: *Bodily response to something eerie)
  • TURKEY BOWL (29D: *Thanksgiving football game)
  • DOVE BAR (39A: *Certain ice cream or soap product)
Word of the Day: TURKEY BOWL (see 29D) —
High school football games played on Thanksgiving are often called a 
Turkey Day Game or a Turkey Bowl (not to be confused with Turkey bowling), as Americans typically eat turkeys on Thanksgiving, although the title varies with each game. Most commonly these games are between high school football rivalries although in many cases, when poor weather requires a shorter season, the game can be the culmination of league play among a high-school league, in which the winners of this game will be the league champions for the year. (Statewide playoffs were generally rare until the 1970s and 1980s, which allowed for longer regular seasons.) The custom dates back more than 100 years and is particularly prevalent in the Northeast. In most cases, games are contested with kickoff times as early as 9 a.m., allowing the participants to have the rest of the holiday off. [...]

Unorganized groups have also been known to partake in American football on Thanksgiving. These informal matches are usually known as a Turkey Bowl(not to be confused with some high school football games that also use the name "Turkey Bowl", see above, and with Turkey Bowling). These games are usually unofficiated with a flag footballstreet football, or touch football format.

While the games themselves are not generally nationally known, Turkey Bowls hold importance for those who participate and it is not uncommon for rivalries to last for decades. Turkey Bowls are played by a variety of people including extended families, college fraternities, volunteer fire departments, and local churches across the country which use the day and the game to have fun, exercise and renew old acquaintances. (wikipedia)

• • •

[47D: Token of past times]

I actually think this theme is great, but I'm super mad at the clue that nearly cost me my Downs-only solve today, so that's mostly what I'm gonna talk about. Up front, anyway. So ... about the spelling of the abbreviated form of "newbie": it's NOOB. Actually, let me be more specific. It's sometimes NEWB, but If You Mention Gaming In Your Clue It Is Definitely NOOB. Not only does NOOB beat NEWB 18-5 in terms of overall NYTXW appearances, but until today, Every Single Time "gaming" was mentioned in the clue, the answer was NOOB. It's a gaming spelling, a gaming term. You all force me to learn all this damn gaming terminology, the least you could do is stick to the damn rules and be consistent. 


[xwordinfo.com]

Here's some more NOOB/NEWB distinction:


And more from wikipedia:
"The origin of this term ["newbie"] is uncertain. Earliest uses probably date to late twentieth century United States Armed Forces jargon, though possible precursor terms are much earlier. Variant forms of the noun include newby and newbie, while the related term noob (often stylized as "n00b") is often used in online gaming."
Notice how "gaming" comes up only in relation to NOOB, not NEWB. It took so long for my brain to let go of NOOB (well, I don't know how long, but it felt long, especially for a Monday). I kept pulling OVEN out when I couldn't get that top section to work, so certain was I that NOOB had to be right. And since I was also having trouble with adjacent RATION (not a great synonym for [Mete out], frankly), that top section gave me fits. And just a few columns over to the east, I struggled to get my hands around WORKMAN as well. I thought the clue was going to have some punny / wordplay angle, like ... maybe "hands" meant "hands of poker" or "cowhands" or something ... but no, literally, someone who works with his hands: WORKMAN. I had RO-EOS for one of the crosses there and the only possibilities my brain would entertain were RODEOS and ROLEOS (a thing I only know about because of crosses—something to do with lumberjack games??? ... well, close, a "logrolling tournament").


Just lost up there. South of the equator, the puzzle was a cinch, but up top, yeesh, lots of trouble. I had PENUIN B- and no idea what it could be ... despite the fact that I have a vintage paperback collection consisting of close to 3,000 books, many of which are, in fact, PENGUIN BOOKS. I was like "What could this be? PENGUIN BOOTS? What are PENGUIN BOOTS? Are they formal? The way a tuxedo, i.e. a PENGUIN SUIT, is formal?" Also, who is this fisherman and what the hell is wrong with his wife? (21D: Trait of the fabled fisherman's wife (GREED)). If she is "fabled," well, whoever fabled her did it out of earshot of me. Never heard of her, or her GREED. AW, GEEzzzzz do not google "fisherman's wife" unless you want to see a very explicit Hokusai print ("Dream of the Fisherman's Wife") featuring a young woman "entwined sexually with a pair of octopuses." [Keeps googling ...] Ah, here we go, the non-octopus version is apparently a Grimm's fairy tale. Something about not asking for too much (from a magic fish), being satisfied with what you have. News to me, I'll tell you that much.


LOW IQ is such a grim answer. All IQ stuff just reeks of eugenics ("The Eugenic Origins of IQ Testing"). All IQ-related answers make me cringe, as does (relatedly) MENSA, and all the punny clues that often come with it. The Very Worst People in our country use the term LOW IQ. See this recent NYT article on the anti-DEI movement. This is a Short-Era debut. Why would you debut this? You certainly don't *need* this term in your Monday grid. Is the "Q" so tempting that you just had to have it? Baffling.

[Why is MENSA defining "colloquium" on its website? Presumably if you're smart enough to get into MENSA, You Know What "Colloquium" Means. Also, someone need to explain to Gabe Werba how deathly the passive voice is]

But back to where I started, which is: this theme is excellent. Great play on words in the revealer, great set of themers, which oddly, and impressively, intersect. Themers rarely do this. Hard enough to get the themers to work out symmetrically, let alone get them to cross one another repeatedly. But that little architectural detail isn't really important. What is important is the light-hearted whimsical theme that's just strange enough to be interesting. "Interesting" is hard to come by on Mondays. I'm impressed. 


OK, that's it. See you later.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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75 comments:

jae 12:10 AM  

Tough Monday, more like a Tuesday for me. NooB before NEWB (Hi @Rex), misspelled STYMIE, didn’t know TEMPEH and GREED as clued (Hi again @Rex) and lately I’ve being putting in Tetra before TROUT when I see Rainbow fish…maybe this will be the last time?

Smooth, clever, and amusing, liked it.

It was nice to see ANKA singing “My Way” in Times Square on NYE.


Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #878 was a medium Croce for me, except for south center section which took quite a bit of staring and erasing. 40a and 41d were WOEs and 42d & 43d did not come easily. Good luck!

egsforbreakfast 12:46 AM  

I think that, technically, the opposite of "It is I" might be "It is not I". Or it might be "It is you". Or if you wanted to really do full-on opposite, it might be "It is not you." But it doesn't seem like it's "NOTME."

And while we're at it, is OPUSES really the plural of opus? I can see that opusi might cause pearl clutching, and opusodes doesn't ring true. Perhaps opustules?

I guess we're in the middle of some kinda NYT taste test. Yesterday was ACAIBOWL. Today is TURKEYBOWL. I'm waiting for tomorrow's Poke Bowl before I vote.

OPENIT, ADMITIT, MIT. The story of an engineer and his/her education.

Kinda fun downs only today. Thanks, Jake Halperin.




okanaganer 12:55 AM  

Also solving down clues only, this seemed more than Monday toughness. Rex, just what you said about NOOB vs NEWB!

Plus many more for me: "Mete out" = ASSIGN before RATION, "makes his living with his hands" = ARTISAN before WORKMAN, "Be quietly furious" = SIMMER before SEETHE, "wanderers" = HOBOES before NOMADS, ACAI BOWL before TURKEY BOWL (just kidding), "Mahvelous" = YAS before FAB, and "Figured out" = SUSSED before SOLVED. All of those being incorrect, yet having multiple letters in the correct place! Quite a mess getting all those straightened out; had to cheat and look at a couple of across clues. @bocamp, I just don't know how you do it later in the week.

Seriously, I don't follow college sports but I was surprised I had not heard of the TURKEY BOWL. Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Citrus Bowl... those I've at least heard of! Uhmm so... it's not a "real" bowl game? Yeesh.

[Spelling Bee: Sun 0, QB streak at 5.]

Smith 5:30 AM  

Yep, what @Rex said NooB before NEWB, also my last answer, same confusion over OVEN and STEW, questioning RATION (ST_o? What ends in O?) . Definitely remember the fisherman's wife; a cautionary tale about always asking for more (tl;dr you get slammed).

The *only* football game I have ever been to was a Turkey Bowl at the hs I attended against a long time rival, at which a boy from our team died because he had no obvious injury and the coaches made him get up and keep playing. Internal bleeding, too late to save him when he again collapsed.

Anonymous 5:31 AM  

Easy on the IQ critique there. Yeah, it is all mixed up with eugenics, and its original standardization certainly reified some pretty pernicious ideologies, but, speaking of DEI, it's become pretty useful in helping kids who learn differently get various kinds of support from their schools and go on to have less than miserable experiences. And the subscales--measures of performance in different categories like visual processing or abstract thinking-- are useful to help pinpoint the differences and tailor the interventions. There are surely better ways to do it, but it isn't so bad that it should never appear in a puzzle.

Fun_CFO 5:32 AM  

Yes, definitely a tougher Monday. Just look at some fill- BIOTA, TEMPEH, HESSE, PHENOMS (as clued), are TYPICAL Monday fare.

personally, I’m just not going to suss out BIOTA across in a downs-only solve w/o every cross being irrefutable. I got probably 90% done downs only, and it was somewhere around those clues that I bailed and finished easily.

I thought theme was tight and entertaining. Overall, a very good Monday, imo. Do agree with NEWB/NooB complaint and a few other awkward clue phrasings. But thumbs up for me.

Lewis 5:38 AM  

My five favorite original clues from last week
(in order of appearance):

1. Criminal records? (8)
2. Green vehicle? (4)(4)
3. Break in? (10)
4. Galactic scale? (5)
5. State lines? (3)


BOOTLEGS
GOLF CART
STAYCATION
LIBRA
ACT

Anonymous 5:42 AM  

Another NOOB before NEWB and also MASSEUR before WORKMAN

Conrad 5:44 AM  


The plural of "opus" is "opera."

Karl Grouch 6:13 AM  

This is a puzz where bees don't buzz

Fun_CFO 6:18 AM  

*aren’t typical Monday fare

Andy Freude 6:37 AM  

Another hand up for Noob. Followed immediately by the schoolyard kealoa AMTOO / AMNOT.
I was all set to point out that the plural of opus is opera, but Conrad beat me to the punch. Gotta start getting up earlier.

SouthsideJohnny 6:58 AM  

A “tough” Monday is a welcome change now and then. Like most of us so far, I would prefer that they stick with the cluing conventions - so points off for the unfortunate NEWB. I don’t know quite what to do about OPUSES - probably just live with it I guess (and hope that the crosses are fair).

Stylistically, we already have too many of the “AW GEE” and “AM TOO” types of clues and answers, so I would contend that having them cross is at least bad form. Please use that stuff judiciously if you need gunk fill to glue in around your theme entries - otherwise much better off if avoided.

Anonymous 7:29 AM  

The plural of opus is opera.

Joe Dipinto 7:32 AM  

One of the great things about not doing Downs only is that I put in NEWB right away since I already had SAVE in place.

Go ahead and seethe, funny little clown !

kitshef 7:37 AM  

Hardish for a Monday, but not unduly so.
stAt - ASAP
NewB - NOOB
edUdES - OPUSES
EdT - EST (I never remember which is standard and which is daylight. Things were so much easier in England, where the 'S' stands for summer'.)

kitshef 7:40 AM  

Croce Freestyle 878 was impossible. Time was in the medium-hard range, but finished with five errors.
25A intersection with 10D intersection
35A intersections with 6D, 32D and 10D.
40A intersection with 41D.
Other than that last one, I considered what turned out to be the right answers based on letter pattern, but could not make them work with the clues.

JJK 7:41 AM  

I didn’t do a downs-only solve. I’ve tried it in the past, but the thing I like about Mondays is trying to race through the puzzle as fast as possible, the only day where I do that and the only day where I pay attention to my time. Today I had a not-so-good time, but it was because if NSFW. What the heck? (Being polite here.) Does anyone say this? I worked for many years in an office and believe me, no one said this. And it crossed with ORWHAT, not very inferable to me.

I had no trouble with NEWB because I really don’t know (or never remember) gaming terms, so just went with the crosses.

WORKMAN is sort of objectionable because someone who works with their hands could also be a woman so it seems pretty old-fashioned. It also has a slightly derogatory air to it.

Have we not had SEETHE approximately a ton of times in the past week or so?

I did like the theme and had no trouble other than the aforementioned.

Lewis 7:50 AM  

Top quality Monday puzzle, IMO. Why?:
• Tight theme. Not many common birds-and-bees answers besides those in the puzzle.
• Monday-easy but not an embarrassingly easy clue set.
• Despite the paucity of common theme answers, they made for two pairs of equal length answers to meet the demands of grid symmetry. I would love to have seen Jake’s face when he realized that this was possible.
• Junk-lite answer set, including beauties PHENOMS, STYMIE, and MEMENTO, despite a theme that takes up a sizeable 51 squares.
• Two places where theme answers cross! I would love to have seen Jake’s face when he realized that this too was possible.
• Monday-uncomplicated yet very clever theme.

So, I’m crowing here, not grousing. You expertly crafted one fine Monday, Jake, one brimming with spark. Thank you, sir!

Phyllis Dietrichson 8:03 AM  

Liked this one even though it took me 1.5 X my average Monday time. As for LOW IQ, it is a factual answer that is nonjudgmental. It is ridiculous to object to it. I suspect there are people who are upset about the inclusion of BLM. They are just as wrong as Rex is about LOW IQ. Get over yourselves people.

Georgia 8:07 AM  

I don't know "The" Fisherman's Wife, but a "fishwife" is one that carps (ooooo! fish!) at her beleaguered husband.

Dr.A 8:22 AM  

I really enjoyed this one. I agree that IQ has gotten a bad rap these days, and it can rub people the wrong way, but it is helpful ias diagnostic criteria to define developmental disability and obtain services for patients/clients who need them in a climate where no one wants to give them to anyone. Here is a concrete number that can often be used to the person advantage believe it or not, to help them. Definitely no one else’s business and should not be used in jest or to bully/mock/discriminate but yes it is a real thing with a real meaning and.a real use. I see both sides here is all I’m saying.

Anonymous 8:30 AM  

Great Monday with neatly done theme and excellent fill.

Only played in one Turkey Bowl -part of buddy's wedding which was next day. Lots of stiff- moving groomsmen at that wedding, although no serious injuries to report! Those were good days...

Deb 8:32 AM  

@Conrad- I never knew that opera was the plural of opus. Thanks for the new knowledge. For the record it seems that OPUSES is acceptable as well so the puzzle isn’t wrong.

Liveprof 8:34 AM  

@Conrad, I agree about the plural of opus being opera, but I was surprised to see MW says opuses is also correct. BTW, the plural of opera is octopi.

BritSolvesNYT 8:35 AM  

Nice theme! No NEWB trouble here.

pabloinnh 8:36 AM  

A slightly crunchy Monday which is aces with me. Hand up for GREED as clued, no problem with NEWB, as STEW had to be right and I am not a gamer, although my sons are, but they are neither NEWBS or noobs.

@egs-I was considering OPODES for the plural of "opus" but that would only work if the constructor is a reader of this blog and/or thinks that kind of thing is funny.

Nice tight theme, well-executed, and just seeing GOOSEBUMPS made my morning. Nice work, JH. Just Hope you make some more like this, and thanks for all the fun.

RooMonster 8:49 AM  

Hey All !
Took a second, after I asked myself, "OK, I see the BIRDS, where are the BEES?" Har, each Themers second word starts with B. Hence, B-EES. Nice pinwheel placement of the Themers.

A little bit tougher than a regular Monday (relative to a MonPuz, so not really tough, but some stop-and-thinks, not just fill-as-fast-as-you-cans).

Got a mini Metallica theme with NOMADS and ROAM. Song "Wherever I May ROAM"
"Roamer, wanderer, nomad, vagabond
Call me what you will"

Monday, in the immortal words (or actions, I guess) of Garfield, Splut!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Steve McCraw 9:27 AM  

My main gripe is the clue is birds and bees, but all the starred clues are birds. What? No love for bees?

Jim in Canada 9:30 AM  

re: "Why is MENSA defining "colloquium" on its website? Presumably if you're smart enough to get into MENSA, You Know What "Colloquium" Means."

Because IQ had nothing to do with how much vocabulary you've learned.
And (regardless of the countless online "IQ Tests") it has nothing to do with your knowledge of pop culture, history, or any other such topic that must be learned.

The Mensa entrance exam is all about pattern recognition, abstract reasoning, and the like. None of the puzzles require knowledge of vocabulary outside of the basics needed to read the instructions at the top of the page.

Beezer 9:48 AM  

Very nice Monday puzzle and after reading the @Rex dissertation on noob v NEWB I was glad I don’t the “downs only” thing as the whole thing flew right by me.

Yes, opera CAN be the plural of OPUS but I think OPUSES is preferable to distinguish it from the musical performance genre. I’d even go with OPA! (Flaming cheese!)

At any rate, I was glad to see that once @Rex got off the NEWB biz…he blessed today’s offering with “fine puzzle” status!

burtonkd 9:50 AM  

I thought opera being the plural of opus was a joke. I don't see how using that term would clarify anything in classical music for the zero times I've ever had to use opus in the plural.

@Nancy, just got around to listening to your Cabaret posting. Definitely out of tune, but more about the actual intentional ugliness of the vocal production. Later in the song, she couldn't help herself, and sang in tune with a more standard production. Definitely an artistic choice. As Joe said, kind of strange out of context of the musical, though presumably an awards show audience would be aware of the role and production.

Downs only not working so well today. Appropriate response would not be to be irate at the puzzle and spend the bulk of the blog blaming the puzzle because it didn't work out. Rather, go "hmm", not every Monday works out - maybe I'll check the crosses and skip straight to the last paragraph and spend more words on the praiseworthiness of the puzzle.

IQ and other standardized tests thoughts: Interesting recent piece in the NYer, I think, mentioning that the SAT actually helped diversity in college admissions because there are fewer cultural discriminating possibilities there than in the other metrics that don't ask directly about race, gender, etc.

Tennessee 10:06 AM  

ennessee said...
It took 33 years for the poor Bills fans to suffer another "wide right" but most of western New York is in mourning today. The explanation of "Turkey Bowl" recollects the hilarious scene from "The Big Bang Theory" when Leonard wants to learn about football. Dr. Cooper, while working at his computer overhears Leonard's musing over the term "line of scrimmage". "The line of scrimmage is the imaginary transverse line separating the offense from the defense".

10:02 AM

thfenn 10:12 AM  

Great Monday, but birding and fishing (thank you, TROUT) feature prominently in my life so today could only be a winner. Was certainly hoping to see Pelican Brief. NUDE gets an honorable mention, given one's naked as a JayBird. Good start to the week.

Nancy 10:21 AM  

PENGUIN, DOVE, TURKEY, GOOSE. Yes, but where are the BEES?
Oh, now I see. The first letter of the second word! Cute. Clever. Droll.

This lively, playful Monday succeeded for me in all aspects.
Interesting, colorful clues (GREED; PHENOMS; SEE; OPEN IT) that don't assume the Monday solver has a LOW IQ. And a grown-up, un-junky grid with, I think, only two proper names. Very nice indeed.

Gary Jugert 10:22 AM  

One year ago today we met Ida with her bloody nose. 🦖, I would still like to buy her from you.

When did they move Baghdad from Iran to Iraq? Also, it's OPUSI in Latin, OPUSIPODES in Greek, and, duh, OPUSIFICATIONS in English, or as the kids say these days PUSSX.

Tee-Hee: ROMEO'S ABLE NUDE, i.e., Juliet. So literary that NYTXW editorial team can be when sneaking their snakes. I guess with all these BIRDS AND BEES floating around somebody's gotta get undressed.

Uniclues:

1 When you just wanna stay mad, ambitious or lusty.
2 Direction from Jesus as he ran to Costco to buy more bread during well attended party.
3 Wooers with wafers.
4 Put up a "No Trespassing" sign.
5 ADMIT IT to asinine aspen.
6 Legendary fesser-uppers.
7 What never happens in real life.
8 A surprisingly small paycheck thanks to the vagaries of capitalism.
9 Survive a haunted house.

1 SAVE ITCH MOODS (~)
2 STEW MORE TROUT (~)
3 OREO ROMEOS
4 STYMIE ROAM
5 TELL LOW-IQ TREE (~)
6 ADMIT IT PHENOMS (~)
7 ISSUE SOLVED
8 WORKMAN MEMENTO
9 EARN GOOSEBUMPS (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Alpine Jewish leaders wearing bell bottoms. FUNKY SWISS RABBIS.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Joe Dipinto 10:23 AM  

@P. Dietrichson – That tears it. 8:30 tomorrow— you'll be here? Same perfume, same anklet?

Dusty R 10:39 AM  

One other annoying commentary to the NEWB vs NOOB discourse: I was a young gamer when NOOB came out (or at least was at the height of popularity, along with "PWNED") but it was always spelled n00b ("N-zero-zero-B"), so I've never liked even the spelling with o's being in a crossword.

Anonymous 10:41 AM  

Loved it.

Christopher 10:47 AM  

Birds and bees? Where are the bees?

Karl Grouch 10:57 AM  

Thene answers' second words start with them

Pippa 11:03 AM  

Chris 10:47 - The second parts of the theme answers begin with B(ee). Thanks for the link 🔗 n the anti-DEI movement but gotta disagree with RP. The Very Worst People in our country are child molesters and their enablers. Cheerio.

andrew 11:13 AM  

Never fails to amuse, bemuse, confuse me what Rex will find objectionable. Thought today’s rant would be on the inherent sexism in WORKMAN, but no!

Burning question: Is it NEWB or NooB (hell, maybe it should be Newd or Nood, not NUDE!). Would it help if they added (var.) to the clue?

As for LOWIQ, would you be happier with DENSA? Or is that somehow, some way offensive to someone too?

Find it kinda funny that Rex’ feathers get ruffled (staying with the Bird theme) at those high falutin MENSA snobs as he pompously humble-solves in Downs* only mode. Then gets doubly annoyed that using the a BS (sticking with “Bees”) term for a Newcomer is not spelled in his preferred way. Obviously the RIGHT way! Harrumph!

(And by “eugenics” I assume you mean the era before Shortzwords when Eugene Maleska edited Acrostics? Otherwise, not familiar with the term…but I’m LOWIQ, I use the Crosses in my Crosswords!)

* hey, isn’t talking about “Downs only” in the same breath as LOWIQ problematic? There has to be a less objectionable way to crow about your special talent!

Ps - hope you approve/post this. You nixed my brilliant (again, my LOWIQ self-assessment) joke on the “tingly pleasure on back of neck” ASMR-alternative gone wrong.

Masked and Anonymous 11:20 AM  

Great theme mcguffin!
And impressive 4 themers plus reveal, symmetrically placed and even overlappin one another. Don't see that often.
Suggested compact themer: BUDGIE.

staff weeject pick: BLM. Had to think for a nanosecond to get it. Good sentiment, but I usually don't see it abbreviated. honrable mention to the weirdo SEE clue, btw.

M&A, as usual, solved Acrosses & Downs only. So, very little trouble with NOOB vs NEWB choices.
(There *was* a primo diagonal MOO, eminatin from the SW corner, tho.)

some faves: That there EST-SEETHE-SEE column #15 [Tight. Uses only 3 letters total, and provides @AnoaBob dude some nice POCs].
Also … ORWHAT. ADMITIT. MEMENTO [Great schlock flick, with its story presented backwards, which was honored in @RP's blog writeup].

no-know dept.: TEMPEH.

topnotch moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Letters acknowledging debt} = IOU. Crossin the diagonal MOO.

Thanx for the fun, Mr. Halperin dude. One of the best MonPuz themes ever, IM&AO.

Masked & Anonymo5Us


**gruntz**

efrex 11:20 AM  

Like everyone else, had NOOB before NEWB, but still solved at about my average Monday time. The theme is just excellent, and I'm always a sucker for theme answers in both directions. Very elegant construction and great fill, NEWB notwithstanding. I'm officially entering my fifth decade as of today, so I guess I'm entitled to gripe about the youthful slang; still, that barely qualifies as a blip in an otherwise fantastic puzzle. Take a bow, Mr. Halperin!

Lucky Larue 11:48 AM  

Member of the noob before NEWB club too but it was an easy fix. Happy 40th birthday efrex !

Anonymous 11:57 AM  

Is “Xword Info” site now a paid subscription fee only?

Masked and Anonymous 12:00 PM  

p.s.
Actually, I reckon there is an outlier H in that E-S-T 15th puzcolumn. M&A's brain kept refusin to see it, cuz then the crossin TEMPE(no H) woulda made more sense.

IQ stuff don't rile m&e up, the way it does @RP. Ditto with ESP. Also am OK with dark matter, btw. Draw the line at PEWITs, tho. PEWITBEGONE is M&A's themer, in that there regard.

M&Also

tea73 12:15 PM  

Not being much of a gamer, I just consider NEWB/NOOB a Kealoa and wait for the crossed. Was no one else bothered by the lack of "the" as in THE birds and THE bees? My inner Rex was slightly irritated, but I enjoyed the puzzle.

jb129 12:18 PM  

Never heard of the Fisherman's Wife but now I have.

An enjoyable Monday, Jake & thank you!

bocamp 12:21 PM  

Thx Jake, for this tribute 'to' the BIRDS, but not 'for' the BIRDS; a fine-feathered effort! 🕊️

Downs-o more or less successful. After having completed most of the puz last nite, when reopening it this A.M., found it in 'across mode' at 1A, and I couldn't help notice ASAP. What a spoiler letdown. Nevertheless, got back into downs-o mode and finished it off.

I was having trouble with the 'Minors to majors' down, and had AIM & ACRE, so two 'A's to work with for 1A. I was thinking along the lines of a quad A battery and maybe AA baseball teams for 4D. Didn't have PENGUIN BOOKS at that point, and was having trouble in the NE, which I finally WORKed out.

NooB before NEWB, but it just wasn't going to work with the downs, ISSUE & OVEN.

Ended the puz with –appropriately enuf– SOLVED. Originally had SussED, but couldn't make the crosses work, so came up with DiVE BAR, and finally DOVE BAR, which resulted in puz SOLVED.

A fun adventure, only slightly marred by my opening gaffe. Usually, I'm more careful when reopening a puz to avert my eyes while getting it into down mode.

'We'll Meet Again' ~ VERA Lynn

Mary Baker EDDY poem, 'Brood o'er Us with Thy Sheltering Wing (Love)':

1. Brood o’er us with Thy sheltering wing,
’Neath which our spirits blend
Like brother birds, that soar and sing,
And on the same branch bend.
The arrow that doth wound the dove
Darts not from those who watch and love.

Thx @jae; on it! :)

@okanaganer (12:55 AM)

Alas, my success rate for late week downs-o is woeful. What I do have, is plenty of time to devote to the cause. Besides, there's victory in defeat, if the battle is well fought! and, stuff is always learned along the way. Besides, the many serendipitous moments are always worth the price of admission! :)
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On to Croce's 878 🤞, with Natan Last's Mon. New Yorker in the queue.

Will also be working on trying to finish last Fri's downs-o; I think Sat's is a wash (holes all over the place), but will give it one more shot.
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

jberg 12:38 PM  

My first reaction was that having the BEES be letters was settling, but then I decided it was better than using actual bee names, in the two elements of the revealer are interpreted in different ways, generally a plus.

I tried the down-clues-only thing once, but soon quit because I wasn't enjoying the experience. What I like more than anything is clever cluing, and I don't like to eliminate half of the clues. This puzzle is a fine example of my feeling.

LOW IQ as defined is just a tautology, since the definition of IQ is your score on that test. It's only problematic if you attribute greater significance to it.

It's true that no one ever SAYS NSFW--but it's often in the subject line of emails that might put something embarassing on your monitor if you open them and your boss happens to see it.

As @Beezer said, we need the word OPUSES in English because "opera" has come to mean something else.

Marc 1:09 PM  

I’ve been retired for a while. Not Safe For Work was not something we said when I was employed.

Nancy 1:35 PM  

Thank you, thank you, @jberg, for saying that a Downs-only solve was ruining the experience for you. That you actually like reading clues when they're clever. Liking clues! Imagine that!

And thanks, @bocamp, for stressing how difficult and unnatural it is to avert ones eyes from the Acrosses. Imagine how completely impossible it would be, solving not on a gadget but with the newspaper version that I use. So I'm cheating every time my eyes perform a normal, expected function? What a dumb, unnecessary burden to place on myself.

I really don't understand why so much of the commentariat is following Rex as if over a cliff on this whole quirky Downs-only thing. I thought it would last for maybe a week or two when it first appeared. Constructors want to give you the solving experience that they want to give you and not substitute ones that are being manufactured out of whole cloth. I think their work and their intention -- even on a Monday --should be respected.

johnk 1:55 PM  

I flew through this one. But what's all this flap about the spelling of a slang word? The reason the word appears so often in xwords is its keaolaness, creating some challenge for solvers.

Carola 1:58 PM  

That was a reveal I could never have seen coming - really clever, to go along with the four BIRDS that wittily appear in non-avian contexts. A tougher than usual Monday for me, too, and fun to solve.

Do-overs: pride before GREED (was it pride that made her GREEDy?) and GOOSEflesh. Favorite write-it-in moment: OR WHAT, for "Alternatively...???" No dog in this fight: NooB v. NEWb. My POC of the day (hi @Anoa Bob): ROMEOS.

okanaganer 2:26 PM  

@Nancy said "I really don't understand why so much of the commentariat is following Rex as if over a cliff on this whole quirky Downs-only thing". Well first off, I was doing it well before Rex started, though I got the idea when I heard of others doing it. And as for "why", I have repeatedly explained EXACTLY why I do it: because it is more fun. Previously I was skipping Mondays entirely, as the puzzle was over way too quickly. Now I actually look forward to Monday as something different.

Anonymous 2:28 PM  

had a very similar solving experience to Rex today! Thanks for the write up.

Sarah 3:26 PM  

Wow I hated WORKMAN (and knew the puzzle was made by a man as soon as I got it)! I hated LOWIQ as an answer! I also hated the clue for NOMADS - wanderers feels like a really reductive definition of actual nomadic people.

Anonymous 3:52 PM  

My sole memory of the Fisherman’s Wife tale comes from a “Fractured Fairy Tale” segment on the old Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoon show. It was among the best entries in this always witty and clever series.

webwinger

Anonymous 5:38 PM  

This old timer says: Here’s a piece of good advice that I got from the auld fish monger. If it couldn’t be worse and you see the hearse, then you know you’ve died of hunger.

Old Dublin song, sung by a couple of old Dublin women, and the fishmonger was probably a woman too.

Anonymous 6:11 PM  

Anonymous 7:29 AM responding to egsforbreakfast
egs is often playing with words. (He is very good at it BTW). So he wasn’t being serious
Opus opera in Latin yes but in English not so much. Opera has a distinct meaning in English after all (that plural being spelled naturally operas). Opuses is inevitable and acceptable in English.

Anonymous 6:14 PM  

Plural of opus is opera in Latin.
In English not exclusively.

dgd 6:21 PM  

Of kitschef’s 3 changes listed, I avoided noob because 1) I don’t know the difference between noob and newb and 2) don’t do downs only so I got save first, like Joe Dipinto

Anonymous 6:28 PM  

JJK
FWIW
NSFW appears often in the puzzle and is in very common usage.
Since people pass around all sorts of potentially inappropriate memes clip’s photos etc on the internet at all times, NSFW arose as a warning, if you’re at work, watch out! Perhaps you never noticed it but the odds are you saw it at some point but didn’t register it.

Anonymous 6:32 PM  

Steve McCraw
The second word starts with the letter B!

dgd 6:44 PM  

johnK about noob v. newb
Completely agree with you!

Anonymous 10:17 PM  

I’m late in the day to be saying this but great call out on LOWIQ… there’s just no reason to be ableist in a crossword puzzle. This coupled with the very unclever and also ableist 65 down clue was pretty inexcusable. Do better, NYT crossword people. And thanks Rex. P for once again being on the right side of history.

Elly 1:22 AM  

My standout gripe with today’s was OPUSES. The plural is opera — the former isn’t a word at all.

Anonymous 9:35 AM  

The editors should have said NAH to this one.

spacecraft 10:54 AM  

Ditto on the OPUSES sentiment...hey! I just found a new plural for OCTOPUS: OCTOPERA!!

I too wondered about the BEES, until I noticed the last parts of all the themers. An elegant touch.

?Violation? The W of NSFW = WORK, but WORKMAN is in the grid. Just sayin."

Refusal to go along with this downs-only nonsense saved me from the NooB/NEWB flap. My sticking point was "Reverse of 'It is!'" = NOTME. Hardly. I have no idea where that clue came from. It was my very last entry.

Nice theme with perfect revealer, both across and down. Fill got a bit wifty here and there, but understandable. Birdie (well, gotta fit with the theme!).

Wordle birdie.

Burma Shave 2:34 PM  

TELL ME MORE

VERA would LIE around NUDE
AND NOT STYMIE the WORKMAN to SEE
she was ABLE AND in the MOOD
to SOLVE the ISSUE of BIRDSANDBEES.

--- EDDY ARNOLD

Diana, LIW 2:44 PM  

Mr Holland's OPUSES - right?

I don't get the "downs only" stuff either. I have this ridiculous idea, I do puzzles for fun!!! Not timing, downing, etc.

And I love Mondays.

Diana, LIW

Anonymous 3:48 PM  

I remember playing tag football on Thanksgiving in our local park with my brother and friends, but can't recall calling it a turkey bowl, but have definitely heard the term. However, what that clue and answer made me recall from around 60 years ago, was the time one of my friends split his pants while playing, so he took his pants off, and played the rest of the game in his boxer shorts .
Illinois Turkey Day weather be damned!!!

rondo 5:57 PM  

I didn't know about 'opera', but Merriam-Webster says: The plural form of opus is opuses or opera.
Seems like there's been a lot of SEETHE - ing going on lately. Noticed: ADMITIT OPENIT. The missus likes VERA Wang stuff.
Wordle birdie.

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