[Can't talk, eating] / THU 3-27-25 / Event in a tent / Reflexology setting / Cartoon series about a super robot / "Do you remember the ___, Mr. Frodo?": Sam Gamgee / "Son of the Dragon," in a medieval Romanian sobriquet / Mac platform renamed in 2016 / Onetime talk show whose studio audience was known as the "Dog Pound," familiarly / Request made through a downstairs intercom

Thursday, March 27, 2025

Constructor: Brad Lively

Relative difficulty: Medium 

[14x16 grid!]

THEME: pass it on / pass it back — "IT" is transferred from one answer to either the preceding or the following answer, in four different rows

Theme answers:
  • CIRCUITS ("circus") / MOJO ("mojito") (17A: Event in a tent / 19A: Minty Cuban cocktail ... Pass it back) 
  • GRAVY ("gravity") / TAR PITS ("tarps") (26A: Sir Isaac Newton wrote about this ... Pass it on / 29A: Covers for a rainy day) 
  • BRITAIN ("brain") / VISOR ("visitor") (40A: Smart sort / 42A: One signing a guestbook ... Pass it back)
  • WHEN ("whiten") / SUBTITLE ("subtle") (52A: What some toothpastes do ... Pass it on / 53A: Not obvious)
Word of the Day: VOLTRON (42D: Cartoon series about a super robot) —

Voltron is an American animated television series franchise that features a team of space explorers who pilot a giant super robot known as "Voltron". Produced by Peter Keefe (executive producer) and Ted Koplar through his production company World Events Productions, Voltron was an adaptation of several Japanese anime television series from Toei Animation. The original television series aired in syndication from September 10, 1984, to November 18, 1985. The first season of Voltron, featuring the "Lion Force Voltron", was adapted from the series Beast King GoLion. The second season, featuring the "Vehicle Team Voltron", was adapted from the unrelated series Armored Fleet Dairugger XV.

Voltron: Defender of the Universe was the top-rated syndicated children's show for two years during its original run, and it spawned three follow-up series, several comic books, and a line of toys. (wikipedia)

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The theme was pretty easy to figure out, but the cluing for some reason felt pretty amped up today, so my overall experience was actually a little slow. At one point early on, I had nearly the entire perimeter of the NW filled in (DISNEY, DISCS, SEE, YES I DO), and no idea what was supposed to go inside. Something similar also happened later in the SW, where I had CENAC and then .... [tumbleweeds]. The theme itself feels stuck in no man's land. You move "it," but you don't have a good revealer phrase, or phrase that makes the theme make sense, so you use ... two different ones? That are unrelated to each other? If all "IT"s had been moved to the right and you had a revealer like "PASS IT ON" (or even "PAY IT FORWARD"), you'd have something. Something coherent. "Pass it on" and "pass it back" don't pair that well. "Pass it back" is always a literal thing, like "here, take this piece of paper and pass it to the person behind you." But "pass it on" is about transferring information. The latter is a much more common / colloquial phrase than the former. The pair are mismatched, and so the theme just isn't as tight as it could/should be.


All the theme answers, as they appear in the grid, are unclued (i.e. there's no explicit clue for CIRCUITS, MOJO, etc.). This is a feature not a bug, but before you figure out the whole "IT"-shifting thing, it definitely makes the puzzle harder. It gets easier when you hit an italicized clue—those are basically screaming "this is the tricky part!" at you. I knew that I wanted MOJITO at 19A, but didn't get what exactly was wrong with MOJO until I hit 29A: Covers for a rainy day, which I instantly saw was gonna be TAR PITS: TARPS + "IT." Somehow TAR PITS was the thing that made me see what was going on with MOJITO. The theme was easy from there on out. Kinda paint-by-numbers. But as I said up front, the cluing stayed pretty tough, so I still had to work to get to the end. That work ... was not always pleasant. I think DROP TROU is one of the dumbest phrases in the world—like, from another era, slangy in an ugly way (24A: Provide a brief glimpse?). It's the reason I see TROU in the grid (as a standalone answer) way way more than I should. I just physically hate the phrase. Personal quirk, what can I say? Not the puzzle's fault, but enjoyment level dropped hard there. ETAPE, though, that is the puzzle's fault (49D: Tour de France stage). I got it easy enough, but man that's an ugly old-school foreign crosswordese word to foist on solvers. Its frequency dropped off hard after Shortz took over in the early/mid '90s, but it still hangs around, sadly.

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The only answer that got me legitimately mad at the puzzle, though, was "OM NOM NOM." (43A: [Can't talk, eating]). Thanks, I Hate It. To be clear, I would've loved (or at least liked, or at least abided) "NOM NOM NOM." That dropped first "N," though, ugh. Ugh. "NOM" is often clued [When repeated, sound of eating] or [When repeated, sound effect for Cookie Monster]. "OM," however, is only ever a meditation syllable. I see that there are some GIFs out there that have the eating sound effect as "OM NOM NOM," but that doesn't make me like it. I also see plenty of "NOM NOM NOM." If it's "NOM" in crosswords (it is), and it's "NOM NOM" in crosswords (once, a couple years back), then it should be "NOM NOM NOM." Like so:


I stopped watching cartoons in the early '80s, so VOLTRON (while a very familiar name) did not leap to the front of my brain until I had some crosses in place. There was a decidedly '80s tween boy vibe to this, with the kids' cartoons and the video games and ARCADE and the Tolkien and what not (46D: "Do you remember the ___, Mr. Frodo?": Sam Gamgee). I was an '80s tween boy (for the early '80s, anyway), and yet none of this stuff resonated with me. ARSENIO, that resonated with me (14A: Onetime talk show whose studio audience was known as the "Dog Pound," familiarly). Right on target. I was the right age to experience that phenomenon in real time, with full force. I wish more stuff resonated with me, but sometimes you just don't luck out. The fill on this one seems fine, but its "highlights" were (mostly) not for me. ESTUARY is a fine word (though hard for me to get today, for sure) (5D: Long Island Sound, e.g.). "LET ME UP" sounds more like something you'd say if someone was sitting on top of you than something you'd say through an intercom. Also, if it's really a request made over an intercom, then it's rude. And not really a request. More of a command. 


Explainers etc.:
  • 15A: Expressions of contempt (SNORTS) — not sure what you call it when both KEA and LOA show up in your grid, but that's what happened today. Me: "SNEERS! ... ugh, no, it's SNORTS." Me, later: "oh ... SNEERS ... there you are" (62A: Expressions of contempt)
  • 21A: Figure for the prosecution, for short (ADA) — Assistant District Attorney. I prefer the Dental Association. Or the Lovelace.
  • 39A: Electronic device from which users take "sips" (VAPE) — do you know how impossibly uncool this looks? Just smoke. I mean, don't, you'll get lung cancer or emphysema, but aesthetically, I'd much rather watch you smoke than "sip." There's a reason people smoked like crazy on film in the olden days and hardly anyone vapes on film. And it's not just health-consciousness. Smoking just looks great. Whereas vaping just looks desperate and sad, no matter how hot you are. To be clear, my objection is not moral in any way. It's purely aesthetic. 
  • 56D: Feature of some outdoor obstacle courses (MUD) — could've been anything. Or, wasn't clearly MUD, at any rate. Clear as MUD!
  • 59A: "Son of the Dragon," in a medieval Romanian sobriquet (DRACULA) — in retrospect, this should've been obvious, maybe, but oof, no. No idea. Thought they were throwing some Game of Thrones crap at me here. "Romanian" should've tipped me. But it didn't.
  • 60A: "At the Movies with Ebert and ___" (ROEPER) — as with ARSENIO, I am the right demographic for this as well. None of the spice of the Siskel days. But it was on and it was about movies and it had Ebert, so I watched sometimes.
  • 53D: Reflexology setting (SPA) — "setting" is a word that the puzzle uses in confusing ways sometimes. I thought maybe there were "setting"s in reflexology, like maybe you set your foot ... phaser ... to stun or something. But I guess some SPAs just offer "reflexology," so there's your "setting."
  • 8D: Mac platform renamed in 2016 (OSX) — is it iOS now, then? Nope, that's mobile. It's actually macOS, so ... look for that in your grid sometime soon, I guess, inevitably, sadly. LOL they should have a cereal shaped like old Apple Macintoshes called "MAC O'S!" Would. Buy. (N)OM NOM NOM!

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See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

P.S. Happy Opening Day to all who celebrate! As always, go Tigers.  

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99 comments:

spyguy 5:58 AM  

Are we going to start getting "innie" clued as something other than a belly button reference sometime? Kinda like "Keir" the other day?

Adam 6:27 AM  

CENAC was a WOE for me; I don't think I've heard his name before today and I don't recognize him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I enjoyed the theme; once I got MOJO and realized it was supposed to be MOJitO, I had UITS to the left and easily threw in CIRCUITS. Got it. As @Rex said, it made the rest of the puzzle easier.

Leroy Parquet 6:37 AM  

Let me up (very informal) - when you are trying to get to an apartment not on the ground level.
Natick etape crossing Roeper

Anonymous 6:42 AM  

Today I felt ancient. My thoughts on robot were astroboy (the original ) and gigantor. Leaving aside the number of letters , which also made me feel old, I finished the puzzle and walked away in a sour mood—the stereotypical cranky old man.

SouthsideJohnny 6:51 AM  

I had nothing but trouble with this one - I was slowly parsing tougher the theme and got the moving IT part of the construct, but the cluing didn’t register for me today and boy, some areas were really tough (the section with SHIRE, CENAC, and that nasty clue for DRACULA was particularly evil, for example).

Congrats to Will and the team at the NYT - this seems like the fulfillment of a lifelong dream - just make up a group of random letters like OMNOMNOM, give it an incoherent clue and pass it off on us all like we are just a bunch of lemmings. I don’t mind. I have a sense of humor and don’t mind being the butt of your joke today - at least spring is right around the corner.

Sutsy 6:52 AM  

I always loathe onomatopoeia in a puzzle. It reeks of desperation and is generally an unsatisfying fill. But OMNOMNOM has to be be the biggest fail in NYT crossword history.

Rick Sacra 6:57 AM  

20 minutes for me this morning. The 16 x 14 grid was interesting. I just poked around for like the 1st 12 minutes.... saw the italicized clues but couldn't see anything... until I had most of SUBTITLE filled in, knew that "not obvious" HAD to be "SUBTLE", and suddenly there it was, an extra IT. Oh, you mean literally IT. of course, this is Thursday! Once I understood the point, it was pretty straightforward work to locate the themers and the words with the extra IT. Especially love the way CIRCUS changes to CIRCUITS. Thank you, Brad. And I for one am okay with OMNOMNOM.... it was crossed fairly. : )

ddrew 7:06 AM  

hi! happy thursday. relatively new to the crossword and even newer here! I enjoy reading the blog, especially in the back half of the week, to help me learn and pick up on things I missed.

I had sTAdE instead of ETAPE - thinking of STADE de France from the Olympics.

and I couldn't recall ROEPER - though I remember Siskel dying, and Ebert having a go with someone else for a bit after.

other than that, same solving experience as Rex - down to TAR PITS somehow being my revealer for MOJO, and slogging through the rest. still beat my average time by a few minutes though!

Dr Random 7:14 AM  

“Pass it on” gave me the impression of a game of Telephone, and before I had pieced together that the “it” moved to the right, I thought the effect on the words “gravity” to GRAVY was the first one I figured out, followed by “whiten” to WHEN) actually had the effect of what the words might actually turn into in Telephone. So yes, I agree that it would have been great if all the themers were passing it on, with a revealer that capitalized on rumors or Telephone or some such. (I assume the game is universal, but if not, then it attaches more to the 80s vibe, when I would have encountered it as a child.)

Bob Mills 7:18 AM  

Someone once said, "Experience is the best teacher" (it was either Confucius or Rex Parker). Whoever said it lied to us. Thursday puzzles aren't easier to get through experience, they're harder and more ridiculous. This one takes the cake.

Andy Freude 7:29 AM  

Last letter in: changing the G to a P in ROEgER/ETAgE.

Eric NC 7:32 AM  

@rex while MOON was always a fine visual with me, for some unknown reason, DROP TROU or even just TROU makes me shudder.

Lewis 7:38 AM  

This was a capital-P Puzzle for me, with tricky clues making many answers slow to slap down, which in turn made the theme slow to crack. Capital-P Puzzles transport my brain to its delicious I-love-this-kind-of-work place, and then, when the box finally fills in, it feels good through and through.

Observations:
• An elegant touch is that the only answers in the grid that contain IT are theme answers.
• Sweet to see GO LONG in a puzzle with a theme about passing.
• Also sweet: the rhyming neighborhood with SEER, LEER, and SNEER.
• [Result of some cord cutting, informally] for INNIE – gold!

A debut that felt like the work of a pro – color me impressed. Thank you for this, Brad, it was a capital-P Pleasure. Congratulations, and may there be more to come!

Ellen 7:41 AM  

Richard Roeper, among others, just took the buyout at the Chicago Sun-Times, my former employer. Once known as the Bright One, the paper is becoming the Slight One.

Twangster 7:45 AM  

I made this harder than it needed to be by going back and forth for a while between MINDMAP and MINEMAP, before finally arriving at MINIMAP.

Anonymous 7:59 AM  

LEERS. TAPASS? YESIDO! [GLOB]!

Anonymous 8:07 AM  

As someone born in the 90s, all of the clues in your strike zone were WAY outside my strike zone. Never heard of ROEPER, ARSENIO, or VOLTRON. VOLTRON and ROEPER were easy enough to get on the crosses (and assuming that a robot show ended in -tron), but the NE corner was tough.

Beezer 8:10 AM  

Wow, this was one tough Thursday puzzle! At MOJO, I figured out that the IT was missing, then later I figured out the “pass it” conceit, but when I returned to my pocket-holed NW corner, I forgot I hadn’t “passed back” the IT from MOJitO and spent as much time figuring that out as the rest of the puzzle! Still, great fun, and a real brain workout. Again, I must thank my now adult children for enabling me to actually know some of the references (such as VOLTRON) because I don’t think I’d have made it through otherwise.

I have to agree with Rex on the DROPTROU biz. The first time I saw it (in the puzzle) I thought it was a very old-timey saying…like maybe from vaudeville because, well, my Dad used to say “trousers” and my cohort said “pants” or “slacks.” On the other hand, I don’t hate the term as much as he does. Is there really any good way to express that concept?

Very LIVELY puzzle [insert eyeroll]

Anonymous 8:13 AM  

Ignored the theme/faster than average solve = easy.

Mark 8:13 AM  

I liked the theme concept and didn’t mind the dual revealers but I agree with Rex, what’s on nom nom? Also Roeper crossing Voltron and etape was basically a double Natick for me since I thought the French was etage and had absolutely no clue who Roeper was (and still basically don’t, despite’s Rexes comments above.

egsforbreakfast 8:23 AM  

My eat-your-way-to-spiritual- fulfillment yoga class always concludes with a group OMNONMNOM.

I'm getting old enough that sometimes I'll DROPTROU and then have to ask Mrs. Egs, "What was that SEXTING we were talking about?"

Gotta run, but want to say thanks and congrats to Brad Lively for a really enjoyable debut.

andrew 8:23 AM  

OMNOMNOM is INNIExcusable!

Alex 8:33 AM  

def will get diff innie clues with severance popularity

RooMonster 8:35 AM  

Hey All !
Was trying to make the swapped IT words correspond, or go all together, or something. But, it's just move the ITs that are suppose to be in one word, clued as its IT included word, to the other word, which is clued as its non-IT word. Sorta confusing. At least the words that remain after the IT is ejected are real words.

CIRCUITS MOJO
CIRCUS MOJITO
What I was trying to say in the previous paragraph, is either iteration should be something, or make a coherent thing. Neither one of those don't.
GRAVY TARPITS sounds like it could, maybe, possibly be something. GRAVITY TARPS not so much. BRITAIN VISOR, maybe. BRAIN VISITOR (well, maybe me), no. WHEN SUBTITLE, WHITEN SUBTLE. It seems odd, or weird, or disconnected somehow.

Pus is 14x16, also, so an unusual grid design, too. For those who like different things, here you go! 😁

Congrats on getting this puz in, Brad, but it missed me. I didn't get it's vibe. Not like my opinion amounts to anything ... Har.

Have a great Thursday!

No F's (SNORTS)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:06 AM  

Had ATT not ADA. As one would. Don’t know from Voltron. Let me up is rude. I would not buzz that person in. And yeah, nom nom is correct yet at the same time imbecilic.

Anonymous 9:10 AM  

I had to run the alphabet on ETAPE/ROEPER natick to finish this one. Getting the gimmick helped a lot. I had "SUITING" instead of "SEXTING" for awhile, as GRU and OSI seemed as plausible as anything else for those 2 down answers. This was a slog overall.

Whatsername 9:24 AM  

Hi ddrew and welcome. If you’ve been here before, I must’ve missed seeing your name, so forgive me. Hope you’ll become a regular.

Beezer 9:27 AM  

Yeah, especially since “moon” is usually the rear, and DROPTROU may include the dark side of the moon…

burtonkd 9:32 AM  

Same issue

pabloinnh 9:41 AM  

For some reason my print out emerged with the clues in teeny tiny letters, which was not helpful. Also not helpful were the number of things of which I had not heard, like VOLTRON and CENAC, nor did I know that VAPES were in some way electronic.

I eventually filled in OMNOMNOM correctly, almost entirely through crosses, and I feel compelled to say that in my many years of doing crosswords this is the worst "answer" I have ever seen. It usually takes something seriously egregious for me to complain about anything, but I mean, really.

Moving IT took far too long to see but was an enormous aha! when it finally appeared, so there's that.

A fine debut, BL. with one glaring exception. Better Leave the gobbledygook out of the next one. Thanks for some hard-earned fun.

Whatsername 9:41 AM  

I struggled with this puzzle while I was solving and only partially forgave it once I finally did. Figuring out the trick was not difficult but executing it gave me fits. It’s a good idea and a perfectly nice Thursday theme. However, the clues seemed backward which made it confusing to the point of frustration. To me, the combination of CIRCUITS/MOJ(IT)O and BRITAIN/VIS(IT)OR should be “pass it on,” not back, because the IT has to go forward. Then the opposite is true for GRAV(IT)Y/TARPITS and WH(IT)EN/SUBTITLE where the IT‘s shift backwards and it makes far more sense to say “pass it back.” Maybe I’m too left brained or right brained or too something, but for me, it was like doing a sudoku puzzle. I’d just rather not.

In defense of OMNOMNOM, I agree it looked a little odd at first but then I thought maybe the N on the first syllable is dropped because you just took a bite and that first taste is so wonderful that before you even close your mouth, you say OM…………NOMNOM. No? Think about it.

DrBB 9:43 AM  

Also never liked "trou" in any form, stand-alone or DROPTROU as here. For me it's a slang strongly associated with boys' prep school, which I endured for a couple of years. School dress code: hard-soled shoes, white shirt, tie, trousers. Never jeans. "Drop trou" something you did in the locker room before gym. When I've heard it later in life I always thought "Prep school boy."

Sir Hillary 9:44 AM  

1980s cartoons, video games, meme-ish onomatopoeias, Tolkien -- this puzzle could not have been more outside my wheelhouse. Yuck.

And good heavens, could there possibly be any more Es in the SE? In fact, the double-E fest throughout the grid (SEE, SEER, LEER, EEL, ICEE, SNEERS) is a bit much. EEnough already!

Complaints aside, the theme was cool, even though Rex is right that it could have been improved considerably. The INNIE clue is great. I liked the CAMO clue as well; it definitely took me a while to understand it.

All in all, a mixed bag.

Dr.A 9:49 AM  

Agree on most points, however… let me get up on my soapbox. Stop stereotyping Boy vs Girl “stuff”. My daughter (she/her) has watched Voltron through several times, loves fantasy books/the Hobbit etc, and all things video game. Anyhoo, just a pet peeve, getting off soapbox. Otherwise, yes, very annoying random theme, no coherence to the words that are resulting from the IT switch, could have even been a “Turn it off, turn it on again” theme for the kind of IT that works in computers.

Nancy 9:51 AM  

I am so, so, so tired of arcane and completely unfair surrounding fill ruining delightful and interesting themes. It's happening like ALL THE TIME!

I figured out the trick at the top themer and thought I'd coast. But I didn't coast. I suffered horribly. When you have SHIRE clued that ridiculous way next to the unknown CENAC over DRACULA clued that way (though at least he was guessable) and VOLTRON, whoever the bleep he is, and you add to that the complete gibberish of OMNOMNOM, you have a puzzle that's going to make a lot of people really, really unhappy. (Must go back and check that out.) And it's so unfortunate -- because the theme itself is both fair and fun.

I had a 1-letter DNF. After writing in SISKEL for Ebert's partner -- making a real mess of my grid, btw -- I wrote in ETAgE as the "Tour de France stage". Well, why not? ETAGE is the French word for "stage". This left me with ROEgER -- which didn't seem familiar, but at least sounded like a real name (unlike CENAC, for example!), so I left it in.

A great puzzle idea absolutely ruined by junky and arcane fill.

burtonkd 9:55 AM  

Somehow, despite reading most of EGS' posts, I didn't grok pass IT on or pass IT back, and had to search for which letters were shifted each time, d'oh!

As a regular cyclist, Tour de France fan and Francophile, ETAPE was a gimme.

Same as Rex in the NE, nothing other than the borders was easy. "Making a point" for SCORE should have been Highlights Magazine easy, but I couldn't get to the sports sense of the word.

I believe the blog shorthand is MALAPOP for putting in a wrong answer that turns out to be the correct answer later. Hands up for SNEER>SNORT.

ROEPER and CENAC were both knowns, but uncertain about the Es in both.

EasyEd 10:02 AM  

Thought this was a really tough puzzle but feel bad that it misquotes the Cookie Monster, one of my favorite characters from the time I was a young parent watching sesame Street. CENAC and ROEPER were woes for me. GOLONG was a moment of nostalgia for games past…

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

OMNOMNOM was finally something for us chronically online millennials.

david kulko 10:05 AM  

Cenac? Voltron? Roeper? Omnomnom? Where the hell am I?? Sheesh

Whatsername 10:06 AM  

My printout had the tiny font as well. I switched it to Newspaper Version but I try to avoid that because it uses so much more ink.

Nancy 10:09 AM  

Your opening sentence may be the funniest thing I've ever read on this blog.

Ben Franklin 10:09 AM  

Celiac here chiming in to say that oats are actually kind of a can of worms in the gluten free community and it makes me laugh that they're always the go-to for any gluten reference in a puzzle (although obviously I understand the word oat is good from a construction standpoint). Oats themselves ARE gluten free, but are commonly processed in the same facilities as wheat and barley and very often end up cross contaminated so people with high sensitivity really need to seek out oats that are specifically labeled as certified GF. In addition, some people with celiac react to the protein in oats (avenin) very similarly to the proteins in gluten (glutenin and gliadin) so avoid them for that reason.

Also as a member of the generation in which vaping is most popular, I have literally never heard anyone refer to it as taking "sips". People generally just say "vape" or "hit my vape" or I can see someone saying they're "taking hits" from a vape but "sips" is crazy

Brian Wright 10:13 AM  

Managed to suss out CENAC because MINIMAP seemed logical enough, even if a bit lame. But ended (failingly) with VuLTRON crossing OMNOMNuM, which seemed just as likely for those unfamiliar with obscure cartoons and nonsense letter strings.

Anonymous 10:15 AM  

Thank god it’s Opening Day so I have something to look forward to besides this stupid puzzle.

MusicMan 10:25 AM  

Agree!

Anonymous 10:30 AM  

Glad that small font effect wasn’t just me or my printer…

Anonymous 10:31 AM  

and OMNOMNOM is pure trash.. it should be an automatic banishment for this constructor

jb129 11:09 AM  

Not for me :(

jb129 11:10 AM  

And I think OMNOMNOM brought the NYT to new lows.

Judge Morgan 11:11 AM  

Print version of today's puzzle featured microscopic clues.

Anonymous 11:12 AM  

How many in a row is that, Lewis ?

Joe from Lethbridge 12:04 PM  

IMHO: This puzzle absolutely STINKS!!! What garbage. OMNOMNOM indeed. What a waste of 15 minutes of my life.

Carola 12:06 PM  

I liked it: once I figured out where the IT in MOJ_ _ O had gone, I had fun trying to get the remaining pairs with as few crosses as possible. GRAVY and WHEN were the two easiest, BRAIN the hardest for my possibly enfeebled one. And for some reason I got a kick out TARPS becoming TARPITS and not having a clue about SUBTITLE. A good mix for me of got-it-right-away and brain-racking.

Do-over: Misplaced SNEER. No idea: CENAC, ROEPER, VOLTRON. Help from wasting untold hours on recipe blogs: OM NOM NOM.

Stillwell 12:16 PM  

My kid , now grown, has always used “Om Nom Nom” exclusively. The first Om (pr. ahm) is opening the mouth wide to take big bite, followed by the noms of chewing

jae 12:19 PM  

Medium. The SW was the toughest section for me. MINIMAP and the Hobbit quote were WOEs and it took me more than a few nanoseconds to figure out the toothpaste clue even though I caught the theme early.

VOLTRON was also a WOE.

Costly erasure: ecig before VAPE

Predictable erasure: SNeerS before SNORTS at 15a.

Very smooth grid except for maybe OMNOMNOM and just about the right amount of tricky for a Thursday, liked it.

Rug Crazy 12:22 PM  

Finished the puzzle but I didn't "get "it"

Anonymous 12:54 PM  

I made the same mistake but "etage" is French for "floor" not "stage".

Anonymous 12:58 PM  

well... the NYT (dead trees division) has been on a GLP-1 diet for some time. the Daily News actually has more news.

Anonymous 1:02 PM  

Thursday Rebus is awful enough, but this invisible answer/clue is worser.

Anonymous 1:24 PM  

Why is subtitle (a noun or verb) the opposite of Obvious (adjective)?
Huh?

okanaganer 1:40 PM  

A bit of difficulty; even having figured out the trick it was a bit of a challenge to figure out where the ITs go. Then at the end I finished with a silly error at square 7: SO LONG crossing SRE. (Well, gimme a break, all those stupid exam abbrev's... random letters. They didn't have them when I was young and I'm not sure we even have them now here in Canada.)

Typeovers: SHAPE before SCORE for "make a point". 9 down JA WOHL for "Affirmative reply" since the question was in German! (I even briefly had YA WOHL, which is nonsense, to make DISNEY work.) BUZZ ME UP wouldn't fit at 9 down.

I'm often annoyed by some clues, especially the "nameified" ones where an obscure name is used to clue a perfectly normal word. But today I enjoyed the clue for RENO. Fun to learn!

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

Fwiw, as a millenial raised by the internet, the onomatopoeia “omnomnom” is firmly in my subconscious as the standard noise for devouring something. Can’t explain why or where it came from

Les S. More 1:55 PM  

SUBTITLE was my first confident theme entry, too. Had CIRCU___ and TARP___ hanging around above. But, as you say, 53A had to be SUBT LE, and the penny dropped as the old expression has it.

We don't have pennies up here in the True North Strong and Free. Maybe we should change the expression to "then the loonie dropped".

Eniale 2:01 PM  

I got the idea easily enough, but gave up when faced with clues for ROEPER, CENAC and ARSENIO - for someone who knows nothing about gaming, sports and pop culture, these puzzles are a matter of luck and crosses.

Anonymous 2:04 PM  

Isn't Midi a thing with PC interface? Two naticks today: Cedac and etage. It's very unsettling seeing plugs for abortion. It's not something to be celebrated where I'm from.

Andy Freude 2:09 PM  

Nancy, I had exactly the same DNF, following the same reasoning.

M and A 2:27 PM  

"Lively" puztheme. IT flits all over tarnation. Liked.

staff weeject picks: OM, NOM, & NOM. Sorry, there ... I was finishin up my cinnamon roll ... ADA. honrable mention to IT. [burp]

some of them fave meats: DROPTROU. OMNOMNOM [more apt, if they'da added an IT: OMIT, NOM NOM]. TYPO clue.

Thanx for the shifty fun, Mr. Lively dude. And congratz on the wty debut. [We needed IT, here.]

Masked & Anonymo4Us

... now, to state the non-obvious ...

"State Capitals" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

M&A

Hask 2:50 PM  

I don't like DROPTROU either but the clue was kind of cute, brief view as in boxers vs. briefs.

ChE Dave 3:00 PM  

SE got me, wanted Ebert and SISKEL. Once I figured out the error (I wanted too many crosses that didn’t match) it went smoothly.

Les S. More 3:06 PM  

A little on the tough side for me because I, for some reason, really struggle with switching out letters in words. Agree with @Rex and that riled up guy who is posing as the normally placid @pabloinnh that OMNOMNOM is garbage. It, like DROPTROU, is something I've never heard in the real world. Both sound disturbingly infantile.* Also agree with @Rex that LETMEUP sounds too much like a command. I'd be more inclined to say, "It's Les. Can you buzz me in?" Or something like that.

Also, I recently spent a month in rehab and, of the 25 or so people in my cohort, probably 20 of them smoked or vaped. I'd guess 5 or 6 tobacco smokers and rest vapers. Many of them had never indulged in this behaviour before visiting the "recovery centre". But there were designated smoking areas and we could socialize there unsupervised so, of course, we did, every chance we could get. I would never share my cigar with anyone and the cigarette smokers seemed to share my feelings that way but the vapers would trade "hits" all the time. Everyone had a different flavour and everyone wanted to try them. Cherry Coke. Frappaccino. Coconut Cream. Cotton Candy. But it was always, "Can I try that?" or "Can get a hit of that?". It was never "Gimme a sip".

*I just took a break to check out the birdsong in the lower pasture outside my studio door and, while scanning the willows for robins and nuthatches, it occured to me that I might actually have heard the Cookie Monster say NOMNOM, but OMNOMNOM, I'm not so sure.

Emily in the PNW 3:13 PM  

Thanks for explaining the theme. I knew there was some kind of trick, but I still don’t understand it all.

ChrisS 3:15 PM  

Nom nom is terrible baby talk. Om nom nom is much much .... worse. I stared at CA_O and O_NOMNOM for quite awhile before running the alphabet. LETMEIN before letmeUP.

Anonymous 3:24 PM  

I passed on it.

Anoa Bob 3:37 PM  

Like a lot of you smart cookies out there, I thought the theme was clever but those 8(!) unclued answers---CIRCUITS, MOJO, GRAVY, et al.---left hanging out there slowly twisting in the wind gave the puzzle a bit of a half-baked feeling to me, like there's important work that didn't get done.

At the risk of receiving a broadside of SNORTS, LEERS and SNEERS, I liked OM NOM NOM. I thought it was whimsically lighthearted and fun, like the puzzle is not taking itself too seriously. And why not? Hey, it's a puzzle. It brought a smile to my face.

I think I'll make that my standard response to all the-sky-is-falling news we see these days. Interviewer: "Well, Anoa, what do you think about the possibility of an impending global trade war?" Me: "OM NOM NOM".

Beezer 3:50 PM  

I thought the same thing about “affirmative reply,” but once it “filled in”, I imagined an English speaker asking someone in Germany. And yes, it’s definitely a “twist” on the usual crossword clue…but (in retrospect) a good way.

Beezer 3:51 PM  

Too funny!

Beezer 3:54 PM  

Yep. That didn’t offend me and once I got the crosses (or inferred it), it just seemed right…sound wise.

Beezer 3:56 PM  

Wow. That’s a stellar time for someone whose only beef is OMNOMNOM.

Beezer 4:02 PM  

Ben Franklin, I love your post. Your “talk” on OATS reminds me of my daughter. Educational but not insulting.

Beezer 4:07 PM  

I agree @ Hask as to clue!…although apparently DROPTROU (according to my not very deep research) probably means that the boxer/brief is down also!

Anonymous 4:22 PM  

*hand up* me too!

JJK 4:34 PM  

I’m late to the party here and really have nothing new to say about the puzzle. I really hated it, couldn’t figure out the theme, and had several Naticks in the bottom half. Oh, and I’m another one who thinks DROPTROU is one of the stupidest and most unpleasant phrases ever. Used by frat boys who never grew up.

Anonymous 4:45 PM  

Is anyone able to clarify why "Grok" was "SEE"? I only got it because everything else was filled out — is it not just the AI chatbot? I tried variations of "XAI," "BOT," and "LLM" and am still so lost on why it's SEE

Anonymous 5:01 PM  

@anon 10:03am searching for someone else who understood it, and finally i found one haha! for some of us in a certain age bracket [i'm 41 btw] OM NOM NOM was a gimme. this is memespeak from back in the day when we called memes "macros" and they almost exclusively featured square photos of animals and one particular font. it is definitely and definitively OM NOM NOM and *not* nom nom nom.

it's a niche throwback and kind of a cringe one at that, but it's real and correct.

-stephanie.

Anonymous 6:15 PM  

When “it” is removed. Subtle, no?

Anonymous 6:17 PM  

Oh I get it! Add “it”.
Itomitnomitnoitm

Anonymous 6:19 PM  

SUBTLE. Take out the IT and send IT to the left to make WHEN WHITEN.

Nancy 6:33 PM  

The answer to the "obvious" clue is SUBTLE, not SUBTITLE. You then insert the IT into SUBTLE and you get SUBTITLE. What you enter in the grid is not the answer to the clue; it's the answer to the clue with IT either added or deleted. So that what you insert in the grid is actually not clued at all. This is something that bothered a lot of people -- but I think the instructions in the clues were clear enough that it didn't bother me at all. Plenty of other things bothered me though.

dgd 6:33 PM  

Alex
Good point.
I haven’t watched Severance but the Times has had a half dozen articles about it recently.in the Arts section. Unavoidable! So when I saw the most recent one yesterday, I thought of the show appearing in crossworld.

Anonymous 6:46 PM  

Leroy Parquet
Rex criticized etape, not Roeper so in his opinion, Roeper is too well known to be part of a natick. I knew etape so I didn’t have to worry about that letter. Rex invented the term and claims he uses an objective standard. Many commenters here say personal natick which changes the meaning of natick. By Rex’s meaning I think it’s a close one.
The p seems the most likely letter though.

Unknown 6:47 PM  

Grok means "to understand"

Anonymous 7:02 PM  

Anonymous 9:06 AN
The clue referred to prosecutors. So it was limiting, not all attorneys. Also ADA is a common short fill with the type of clue. Nothing wrong with that clue

Beezer 8:29 PM  

That’s the spirit!

Anonymous 9:31 PM  

Guess I'm of the right age, 39. OM NOM NOM made me smile, but I couldn't remember why it was familiar. It must've been the dusty memes you refer to or an old friend from college.

Teedmn 9:51 PM  

I had 3 errors today - @Nancy's ETAgE, and a nonsense word in 16A when neither the Ed. Exam nor the old Apple operating system were known to me. There used to be a reading system called SRa and the current operating system on my iPad is IOS so SRa and OSi gave me SaiTING. Does anyone else think that the clue for SEXTING was off?

I first heard DROP TROU from one of my fellow study group friends in college so I have a nostalgic fondness for it.

Thanks, Brad Lively, for an interesting, albeit somewhat obscure, Thursday puzzle.

Hugh 10:11 PM  

Got the theme fairly quickly but was not an easy solve for me - SE was a killer. Did not know VOLTRON, ETAPE or ROEPER so could not even guess much in that area, it was a bit of a mess.
I did have fun with the theme, though like others, I scratched my head a bit at the unclued themers with the added "ITs", but it didn't really bother me too much, it was still fun figuring it all out.
I'm in the camp of "let's never see OMNOMNOM in a grid ever again". It's not that it didn't give me small chuckle, it just looks so darn ugly in the grid.
Favorite of the day was 7A - GOLONG for Passing remark. A nice foreshadowing of the theme - nice touch!

Anonymous 10:22 PM  

Impact is the font! Ahhh image macros.

Gary Jugert 11:48 PM  

No puedo hablar. Comiendo.

So, uh, where did we end up on OMNOMNOM?

I find themes like this one super fun to put together. Most of the funnyisms work, but plenty of groans too, so just my style.

People: 5
Places: 1
Products: 6
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 2
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 19 of 76 (25%)

Funnyisms: 5 😄

Tee-Hee: SEXTING. DROP TROU. GOGO ASS.

Uniclues:

1 Sound one makes while dropping trou and dropping jpegs.
2 Why electricians charge so much.
3 Where potato lovers get stuck and die.
4 A tiara.
5 Ecru.
6 How to nix Nevada nerves.
7 What caused an old tuttle.
8 One in an omnomnom club ogles.

1 SEXTING SNORTS (~)
2 CIRCUITS MOJO
3 GRAVY TARPITS
4 BRITAIN VISOR
5 SUBTLE WHITE (~)
6 TAP RENO SPA
7 ELDER NINJA TYPO (~)
8 GOGO SEER LEERS

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Ballet makes me sick. NAUSEATED ON TOE.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 1:01 AM  

Was stuck with "ecig" for "electronic device..."

"Vape" is *not* the device. "Vape" is what you do WITH the device. Well, not you. Ecigs / Vape pens are about the dumbest invention since syphilis.

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