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Thursday, March 13, 2025

Constructor: Rich Proulx and Simeon Seigel

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium (Easy once you get the gimmick)


THEME: DOUBLE DIP (61A: Commit a party foul, in a way ... or what five answers do in this puzzle?) — theme answers appear to be inapt; to make sense of them, you need to "dip" down twice, picking up first the triangled square and then the circled square located just underneath the themer itself:

Theme answers:
  • SIMULCASTED (16A: Aired in multiple places at the same time) (picking up the "C" and "S" from CSIS (20A: Collectors of forensic evidence, for short)
  • MOPHEADS (21A: Sorts with unruly hair) (picking up the "H" and "A" from HASH (26A: Potpourri))
  • FIRELIGHT (37A: Burning glow) (picking up the "I" and "L" from ISLES (41A: Cays, e.g.))
  • CAP PISTOL (39A: Toy shooter) (picking up the "P" from "I'M UP" (42A: "That's my cue!") and the "S" from SOFA (44A: Possible sleeping spot for a partner who's in the doghouse))
  • CARSEATS (54A: Items for babies on board) (picking up the "S" and "A" from CESAR (60A: Farmworker organizer Chavez))

Word of the Day: "ATOMIC DOG" (34D: 1982 George Clinton hit with the refrain "Bow wow wow, yippie yo, yippie yay") —
"
Atomic Dog" is a song by George Clinton, released by Capitol Records in December 1982, as the second and final single from his studio album, Computer Games (1982). It became the P-Funk collective's last to reach #1 on the U.S. R&B Chart. The single failed to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 although it has attained a level of stature since then, partly due to having been sampled in several hip hop songs. // George Clinton's P-Funk reached its commercial and conceptual height during the late 1970s after the release of Mothership Connection in 1975 and a series of spectacular concert tours. Each of these concerts ended with a climactic descent of a giant spaceship from the rafters. However, as the band and their concept of funk grew, the organization became entangled in internal dissension, legal disputes, and creative exhaustion. "Atomic Dog" was the P-Funk collective's last single to reach #1 on the U.S. R&B chart. // According to Clinton, most of the song's lyrics were ad-libbed during the recording process.
• • •

Yet another puzzle where the grim fill really diminished the experience. So much muck to wade through. A good example of gimmick-at-all-costs, where an architecturally complex theme rides roughshod over the grid's overall quality. After enduring UVEA EAU PLO DMED IEDS ESSIE and then encountering a FREIGHT that made no clear sense, I decided that I did not want to spend any more time discovering the theme than I had to, so I jumped down to where I (correctly) assumed the revealer would be, in the SE. The short fill was easy enough to get that the revealer, DOUBLE DIP, soon became clear, which immediately made it clear how FREIGHT would make sense (i.e. by "double-dipping" and picking up the "I" and "L" to make FIRELIGHT). After that, there was nothing left to do but fill the grid. The themers held no more mystery; there was no second level to the theme, no thematic connection among the theme answers. The triangle ended up being essentially meaningless as a shape (a disappointment—why introduce a novel shape when it didn't have a novel meaning?). The "dipped" letters didn't spell anything. You just dip twice. Five times. And suffer through a lot of ugly short fill. That's it. [UPDATE: for the second day in a row, I totally missed a theme element—the triangles are CHIPS and they spell out CHIPS, and the circles spell out SALSA; very impressive ... sadly, my solving experience was still pretty miserable] There are some fun longer Downs along the way, but the essential dullness of the theme and the sheer volume of boring-to-actively-unpleasant 3-4-5s made this one less than enjoyable, on the whole.

["Just let me hold you by the ..."]

It's really the DMED / LCD / CSIS / AAS mash-up that ended any goodwill I might've had toward this puzzle. Oh, and the adjacent GOES IPO (6D: Hits the exchange, in Wall Street lingo), which ... yeah, bizness jargon, however original, is never going to be my thing (see also golf jargon, poker jargon, etc.), and this particular phrase just sounds silly. It's not like I don't know what IPO means (initial public offering)—I solve crosswords every day, as you know—but this phrase seems particularly ridiculous, and looks it, too. I am currently enjoying pronouncing it as one word (GO-suh-PO!). But let's say that that answer isn't inherently bad, just bad in my ears. Fine. But the short fill problem still stands. Also, we have UNCAST *and* SIMULCASTED in the same grid? Also, SIMULCASTED??? I would've thought the past tense of "simulcast" was ... "simulcast." Extremely cut-off NE and SW corners added another somewhat infelicitous feature to the grid (they're like separate puzzles, and because both have theme content, it seems likely that if you have any trouble with this theme, you probably had trouble there, particularly in the NE). But, again, the real problem here (aside from a not terribly interesting concept), is GSU NAS ABE EKE CHI IPAS MSN TAEBO (for god's sake!) and on and on. Just a parade of tedium, headlined by not one not two but three online initialisms: TBH IRL OTOH ("to be honest," "in real life," "on the other hand") (with DMED trying to make it a foursome). There really ought to be an online initialism limit. Say, two. Two is good. 


Bullet points:
  • 8A: Delivery people? (MAMAS) — wanted OB/GYNS ... in fact, kinda sorta wanted GYNOS (is that an acceptable abbrev.?). Nothing cuing the slang of MAMAS in the clue. Not a fan.
  • 22A: Hit up privately on "the socials" (DMED) — Why are quot. marks around "the socials"? Yes, it's slang, but you. may as well put quotation marks around "Hit up" if that's your logic. (DMED means "direct messaged," in case that's not a thing in your world)
  • 63A: Last word of the last multiple-choice option, maybe (ABOVE) — as someone who frequently has multiple-choice sections in the exams he gives, I found it comical how long it took me to get this answer. It just wouldn't compute. "... OTHER?" (the "ABOVE" comes from "all (or none) of the ABOVE," presumably)
  • 64A: Month with the newest federal holiday, recognized in 2021 (JUNE) — the holiday in question is Juneteenth, which commemorates the end of slavery in America. Look for this particular federal holiday to be rescinded in 3, 2, 1 ...
  • 10D: Companion of Jason in the search for the Golden Fleece (MEDEA) — the looooove boat ... such a happy couple, I'm sure they're gonna do great ... 
  • 34D: 1982 George Clinton hit with the refrain "Bow wow wow, yippie yo, yippie yay" ("ATOMIC DOG") — I was gonna dispute "hit" but #1 on the R&B charts is definitely a hit. It never made the Billboard Hot 100, but that "refrain" became universally recognizable in the early '90s for one particular reason ...

I'm realizing now that it's possible there are solvers who won't understand the "party foul" in question today. If you dip a chip in dip, take a bite, and then dip it *again*—that's a DOUBLE DIP, and that's a "party foul" (for hygiene reasons). That should do it, see you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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55 comments:

Jon Alexander 6:02 AM  

There is the added theme element that the triangles spell CHIPS and the circles spell SALSA, but the fill....ooof

Conrad 6:07 AM  


I agree with OFL on the Easy-Medium rating, and also on most of his comments. I am one of the ones who had trouble with the theme because of the (made-up?) SIMUL[C]A[S]TED.

Overwrites:
LeD before LCD at 17D
CAPITaL before CAPITOL at 39A
I'M on before UP at 42A

WOE:
ESSIE nail polish at 23D
ATOMIC DOG at 34D. I need to study up on my 1982 pop culture

Bob Mills 6:12 AM  

The past tense of "simulcast" is "simulcast," not SIMULCASTED. No director of a play or movie ever "CASTED" anyone. If we have to play geometric tricks to solve a puzzle, at least the answers should be grammatically apt.

Anonymous 6:16 AM  

IRL does not always mean offline. In streaming culture( twitch, youtube etc..) it means the streamer is not playing a video game or sitting at a desk, but is rather streaming an activity such as walking around a city or attending a convention of some sort. Basically it means broadcasting a real world activity online.

Anonymous 6:21 AM  

I was certain of carnivalstunts —we go to at least a dozen during the summer at Newton Shows and generally follow them around Long Island—lots of fun and heart attack food at our ages. And I was certain that mamas was obgyns. With my certainty came a few minutes of wasted time until I knew that most of the crosses would not fit. Once I figured out the revealer , the puzzle played like a Tuesday. Pretty much a waste of time today.

krytikal 6:22 AM  

I'm guessing the triangle is a chip and the circle is a bowl of dip? Or salsa? Or guac?

ChrisR 6:29 AM  

The triangle is the chip, and the circle is the bowl with the dip.

David F 6:36 AM  

I didn't mind this one as much as Rex. I was able to admire the construction - especially the fact that the answers WITHOUT "dipping" were all real words - and was able to overlook the sometimes not-so-good fill.

And I think the triangles actually DO have a purpose. They're the "chip" that you dip in the circle "bowl."

SouthsideJohnny 6:44 AM  

I needed the reveal to discern the theme - which is an improvement (usually I need OFL to explain it to me). I enjoyed Rex’s write-up, which is basically an essay on why the theme requirement is kind of a waste and counterproductive - especially since the NYT editor is so much more partial to style over substance. I guess it’s been that way for like 80 years now, so no changes expected soon. Even with a theme like today’s that’s kind of cute, with the triangle chips etc, the fill does suffer badly, which diminishes the solving experience. The trick is to find the right balance (and/or hope that Robyn drops in for a themeless guest appearance tomorrow).

Anonymous 6:55 AM  

SimulcastED??? Editorial fail.

Rug Crazy 7:08 AM  

painful

kitshef 7:10 AM  

No trianglesor circles in my grid. This made for confusion as the first two themers had the dips consecutively, and when the third didn't it threw me off.

I recently finished reading Atalanta, by Jennifer Saint. Recommended if you want to read more about Medea and Jason from a different perspective.

Lewis 7:31 AM  

Before the most important question – How was the solve? – an observation about this amazing grid-build, in which Rich and Simeon had to:
• Find answers that with and without the double dipping were bona fide words.
• Place them symmetrically, which required that theme answers consist of equal length pairs.
• Have the triangle letters spell CHIPS, and the circle letters spell SALSA.
• Ensure that the answers containing shapes are bona fide words.

Wow! A huge bow to the grunt work behind this!

Now, the solve. For me, riddles aplenty to crack – Why shapes? Why two types of them? What is the reveal (after I purposely left it blank)? All on top of filling in the box.

When there are riddles aplenty, my brain hums with happiness. The trying, to my brain, is as sweet as the succeeding, and today, there was plenty of both.

Rich (10 NYT puzzles) and Simeon (15), this was the first NYT collaboration for either of you, and it was stellar. I felt like a kid in a candy shop. More please, and thank you!

Lewis 7:33 AM  

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/simulcast

Andy Freude 7:38 AM  

I just figured out why I prefer themeless puzzles.

JJK 7:38 AM  

I did like the theme, which I picked up with CARSEAT after DOUBLEDIP came into view. But the rest, ugh. So much texting shorthand, a couple of dupes (do we count LIGHT in a clue as well as in an answer?) Also, not that I’m a Wall St whiz, but don’t people usually say GOESpublic rather than GOESIPO? Probably showing my ignorance.

This has been a week of not very enjoyable puzzles in my opinion.

Anonymous 7:48 AM  

You don’t have to study up on that if, like me, you don’t want to.

Ellen 7:52 AM  

Agree

Gary Jugert 7:54 AM  

Cometer una falta de partido.

For a rare change of pace, the @Nancy-Circles™️ (and triangles) made sense, added to the fun, and kept me engaged with the beloved "what in the Sam Hill is going on" feeling.

@egs Congrats on making the puzzle.

They know a thing or two about chips and salsa out here in New Mexico.

Before things go awry again, let's remember MOPEDS have pedals and scooters do not and you can use either to run down anybody with a MOPHEAD (those EVIL DOERS).

I looked up IEDS post-solve and now I'm afraid I'm on a watch list somewhere.

Where does one sign up to DEMO a MODEL? Is it extra to SUPER DEMO a SUPER MODEL?

I'm sleeping on the SOFA right now because I've been coughing for ten days with a miserable cold. My dog is sleeping happily in the bedroom.

Seriously, why don't they let people fish off piers?

People: 5
Places: 0
Products: 7
Partials: 10 {ehem}
Foreignisms: 3
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 25 of 78 (32%)

Funnyisms: 6 😅

Tee-Hee: HASH.

Uniclues:

1 What's got grampa's panties in a wad.
2 Kick boxing for Dr. Doom.
3 Beat maker's beetle juice.
4 What the sounds, "oops," "aaaah," and "splat," do.

1 SIMULATED MEDIA
2 EVIL DOER'S TAE BO
3 DJ'S ANTIBIOTICS (~)
4 END CIRCUS STUNT

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Poetic lady's painted ladies.

SAPPHO INSECTS.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

superariman 8:04 AM  

Crossing PLO with evil doers seemed intentional.

int-med 8:06 AM  

Jon Alexander, the cardiologist?

ncmathsadist 8:07 AM  

ugh

Dr.A 8:19 AM  

Yes! Thank you.

Anonymous 8:20 AM  

Cap pistols?! Mop heads?! I know them as cap guns and mop tops. Maybe a regional thing?

Dr.A 8:21 AM  

Maybe it’s “‘regional” but I’ve never heard anyone say “CAP PISTOL” only Cap Gun. That was irritating and so was SIMULCASTED. But overall kinda fun with this wonky theme.

Anonymous 8:28 AM  

Classic NYT Thursday: Fun to construct, a slog to solve

Anonymous 8:38 AM  

I solve on the app on my phone. I didn’t have any circles or triangles. I got the revealer and grokked the theme but it was very difficult to parse where exactly to “dip” without the shapes

Anonymous 8:39 AM  

Garbage.

RooMonster 8:50 AM  

Hey All !
Missed the CHIPS and SALSA part. Liked that the CHIPS were in triangle form. Also like all the Themers are real words sans the dipping.

Ambitious Theme, pulled off nicely. Agree the dreck is high, but hey, it happens. A few odd clues, ACIDS as Compliments to salts and fats in the kitchen, for one.

That's about it. 😁

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:06 AM  

I think it's in reference to the book "Salt Fat Acid Heat," which was big a few years ago.

jb129 9:18 AM  

Yes, if you read this blog, Robyn, please make an appearance - we miss you :)

Anonymous 9:26 AM  

That's within the confines of streaming related activites. The use of 'IRL' goes back long before streaming, and refers to anything that happens outside the internet, thus - 'offline'.

Anonymous 9:28 AM  

Most of the answers were relatively easy and I was able to get the nonsensical theme answers by filling in the down clues but I wouldn’t have figured out the gimmick without coming here. I’m just not good at the Thursday puzzles.

burtonkd 9:33 AM  

My thoughts exactly (grew up in the Carolinas)

burtonkd 9:45 AM  

This was pretty ingenious, and while there was a surfeit of short xword glue, as mentioned, the longer words were pretty good and colorful if not ripped-from-the-headlines fresh.

I had trouble getting into the NE with two incorrect cross guesses; same thing happened elsewhere, the theme actually helped me sort it out - always a good thing.

I think I should take a break from this blog:

Lewis posted early the M-W definition of SIMULCAST, in which SIMULCASTED is a recognized past tense. Does that stop anyone else from calling it an editorial fail?
Yesterday, there was no end to pearl-clutching over missus, babe and dame, yet today a video is posted where the lyrics include …with my *** in your M****, and endless other degrading things. The theme seems more like Double standard, than double dip.

RP goes straight to the revealer, then complains that there was no mystery; kind of like reading the last chapter of a whodunnit first and complaining about the rest of the book.

If you go in looking to complain, you’ll find plenty. If you go in looking for the positive, you’ll also find plenty (thank you for the daily dose of Lewis and the occasional Barbara S.)

I promise to come back tomorrow Accentuating the Positive




Karl Grouch 9:47 AM  

I suggest some history reading

egsforbreakfast 9:48 AM  


I DMED my French friend to ask whether his parents thought this was an enjoyable puzzle. "MAISOUI, but Pa is non," he reported from Orly. OTOH, DJS at GSU say LCDS show IPAS with STP at CSIS, TBH. So I guess the judges are still out.

GOESIPO makes ITSATIE after nine innings sound like it has real street cred (and I don't mean Wall Street).

I had my raised-eyebrow moment over SIMULCASTED, as did everyone else apparently, but I kinda got comfortable with it as I chewed on it. Actually, I should have been chewing on CHIPS and SALSA, but I was also questioning my sanity when I saw that George Clooney had a 1982 hit called ATOMICDOG. Eventually noticed that it was G. Clinton.

@Roo. There was a very popular "cookbook" a few years back called "Salt Fat Acid Heat". I use cookbook in a loose sense as it was a very enjoyable read that included recipes. It won every cookbook award known to man plus several more. Before that book caught the public fancy, ACID would certainly not have been clued the way it was today.

I enjoyed the way this puzzle stayed in the WTF zone for a long time for me. I didn't skip down to the revealer, so I more-or-less caught on to grabbing letters from below whenever I encountered a triangle or circle, but I had no idea why those shapes. Once I saw the revealer, the film fell from my eyes, I dropped to my knees and I sung the praises of this puzzle to the rafters. Not really, but I do think it was a heroic feat of construction, and that deserves a lot of credit. Keep on double dipping, Rich Proulx and Simeon Seigel. You're always welcome at my shindigs.



Carola 9:59 AM  

I caught on to the pattern at MOPHEADS, having previously taken SIMULCAST for granted as a past tense (even though I'm annoyed everyday at seeing "forecasted" in the weather report), and I enjoyed having my eyes opened to the way FREIGHT was turned into FIRELIGHT. Having the theme made CAPPISTOL and CARSEAT easy to get. I was really stymied by the triangle and circle, though, so was delighted to have them unmasked as chips and bowls - but I missed the spelled out CHIPS and SALSA, alas! Cute, light-hearted puzzle. If only party fouls were the worst thing we had to worry about!

Whatsername 10:03 AM  

Circles, triangle and squares. Oh my! Shapes which rather confusingly indicate a direction to go with a theme answer. Confusing for me anyway, because I first thought the triangles were pointing/directing me to go UP a line, then over and down to the circle. My brain just didn’t want to go there, the same way it resisted putting that ED on SIMULCAST. Oof! Then for some mysterious reason, we end up spelling SALSA and CHIPS. So I guess the chips do a DOUBLE DIP in the salsa? Alrighty then.

I had no difficulty filling any of the shapes and TBH, completed it as a themeless, ignoring the revealer until I was finished. I don’t mind a Thursday being on the easy side but it seemed the challenge, the mystery, and the aha moment – they mostly belonged to the constructors today. As a solver, I found it satisfying but that aspect of it was just a teensy bit disappointing.

Anonymous 10:28 AM  

Did not solve. Just stopped. Because UGH.

Anonymous 10:28 AM  

Fun to see PLO and IEDS in the same puzzle. Very generous cluing on both.

GateNerd 10:28 AM  

I can’t recall ever seeing OTOH (On The Other Hand) and I didn’t even consider an acronym. With O_OH I could only figure “Oh, Oh!” as an answer. Since I also don’t know what Taebo is this was an exercise in figuring out which square of the puzzle was incorrect.

Really abysmal fill across the board, unfortunately.

Toby the boring one 10:31 AM  

I hated this puzzle…it didn’t sit right with me—some of the implied answers just felt off.

Nancy 10:34 AM  

This was about as CESAR as mud. Or something like that. And while I never figured out why the triangles and why the circles, I did cotton onto some sort of manipulation going on at MOPHEADS. I had gotten MOPEDS written in and, son-of-a-gun, there were the missing H and A in a triangle or a circle close on by below.

This helped me to see that my baffling FREIGHT was really FIRE LIGHT. And that my baffling SIMULATED was really SIMULCASTED. (It should be SIMULCAST as everyone has pointed out.)

I have absolutely NO idea why DOUBLE DIP is the revealer. Will that explain both the triangles and the circles?

But the hardest clue for me was not one of the themers. It was ABOVE at 63A. As in "none of the above", I assume?

Was this Thursday-challenging? MAIS OUI! Was it as much fun as it should have been? Not for me, alas. The conceit was confusing; the triangles and circles forced me to squoosh my letters even more than usual; and much of the surrounding fill or the cluing thereof was not especially in my wheelhouse.

Raymond 10:56 AM  

Complement - not compliment

jb129 11:05 AM  

This had me shaking my head in frustration. I knew there had to be a gimmick since it's Thursday but thank God, not a rebus. I have no idea what CARETS 54A is, MAMAS - really? And I never remember the difference between IPA & IPO so I guess that they were both in the same puzzle was a good thing. Solved as a themeless. Came here for the gimmick.

Nancy 11:06 AM  

Aha! So some people went back and looked at the inscribed letters and took the trouble to spell out SALSA and CHIPS. Well, in a million years, I would never have thought to do such a thing, and had I thought of it, I would have immediately slapped myself on the wrist and sharply said "No! For heaven's sake, don't bother!"

Second. I find out here that the triangle *represents* a chip and a circle *represents* a bowl of dip! Who in the world would think such a thing??? Not me -- not in a million, trillion years. Which is why I didn't get the revealer and why the puzzle didn't really work for me.

Beezer 11:26 AM  

Funny about your “watch list” comment. I’ve always been curious about how people get to the d— web (see, I don’t even want to spell it out) but I’m to afraid to search it…similar to your concerns, but thrown in irrational fears with it.

Beezer 11:43 AM  

Your feelings today captured a lot of how I feel quite often.

Rusty Trawler 11:44 AM  

Why must I
Be like that
Why must I
Chase the cat

Beezer 11:47 AM  

Nancy, there is a “prohibition” against double-dipping of chips, i.e. you don’t dip it (into the salsa) eat half of the chip, then dip it again into the salsa. I THINK there may have been a Seinfeld episode on “double-dippers”

M and A 11:49 AM  

har. This rodeo ride seemed to have somethin to please/displease every party goer here.
M&A kinda admired its weirdness and hidden chips & salsa triangle- and circle-dips. Some of the more despertatious fill did dip down to taste a little bit like wasabi, tho...

staff weeject pick: IRL. M&A is hopelessly without a clue, when it comes to speakin Textskrit.

semi-fave meat: CIRCUSSTUNT. Its "juggling chain saws on a tightrope" clue sorta brought to M&A's mind what Elon Musk might hafta do at this point, to save X and Tesla from oblivion.

Really liked the clues for MAMAS and DJS. All's fair, in luv and ?-marker cluin.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Proulx & Seigel double-dudes. Dippy good job, M&A said dip-lo-matically.

Masked & Anonymo6Us

... somewhat similar shenanigans afoot, below:

"Runtpuz Splatterfest" - 9x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

M&A

jb129 11:53 AM  

Me too

jae 11:56 AM  

Easy-medium. The revealer was a delightful, “so that’s what’s going on”, aha moment for me and the CHIPS/SALSA feature was a nice touch.

ATOMIC DOG was it for WOEs.

Costly erasures: BOOb before BOOR and vieS before WOOS.

Clever and fun, gave me a chuckle, liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did.

Beezer 11:57 AM  

My comments are similar to @Roo and @burtonkd. I think the theme was pretty ingenious (especially after figuring out the chips and salsa bit) and it’s hard to NOT have a little dreck mixed in with a theme like this. I must be somewhat oblivious to grammar/usage because I didn’t realize that there could be such strong feelings about adding an “ED” to SIMULCAST, but as Lewis pointed out, I guess that passed the M-W test, so no editorial fail in the end.

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