Post-mortem meetings in business-speak / TUE 6-6-23 / Tomato sauce brand named for a famed restaurant in East Harlem / Pale lager informally / Bittersweet Italian liqueur / Ishii Lucy Liu's character in Kill Bill

Tuesday, June 6, 2023

Constructor: Daniel Jaret

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: rotational symmetry - rotate the puzzle 180 degrees and see the letters all in the same place (well, you have to turn them right-side up again, if you literally rotate it, but you get the idea)

Theme answers:
  • all of them?
Word of the Day:
RAO'S (52A: Tomato sauce brand named for a famed restaurant in East Harlem) —
Rao's (/ˈrz/) is a Southern Italian restaurant founded in 1896. It is located at 455 East 114th Street, on the corner of Pleasant Avenue in East HarlemNew York City. Rao's has sister restaurants in Los Angeles and Las Vegas, Nevada. // The restaurant was started in 1896 by Joshua Anthony Rao, who moved with his parents from Italy to the United States. He bought a small shop in Italian Harlem, once a very large Italian-American community, and ran the restaurant until his death in 1909. Louis Rao took over the business. He was seen by many as a very suave man.[citation needed] He had his hair cut at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel and wore many fancy suits.[citation needed(wikipedia) 
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Here is the opening of my write-up of the NYTXW from December 23, 2008. I haven't changed a word, and I haven't changed my feelings:
Nearly every crossword puzzle grid has rotational symmetry with respect to the black and white squares. Today, it has rotational symmetry with respect to fill.

I wonder if anyone else was thinking, about halfway through the solving experience, "Why am I doing a crappy themeless puzzle on a Tuesday?"
So ... I look forward (read: absolutely do not look forward) to seeing another one of these "rotational symmetry" gems in ... [counts on fingers] ... 2038!? Wow. Let's just call that my unofficial Retirement Day, because once you've seen this theme *three* times, well, that probably means you've been writing about New York Times Crossword Puzzles long enough. OK, back to this puzzle. . . but not for long, because there's nothing to say. The only reason any of this [gestures broadly at 8 1/2 x 11 print-out of puzzle on desk] exists is because the letters are symmetrical. Content shmontent. Nothing is in the grid because it's fun or nice or cool or interesting. And you can tell you're going to be dealing with some terrible gimmick from the second you open the puzzle, because the grid looks amateurish, remedial, uninviting, with only the central answer clocking in at more than six letters. Who wants to solve a puzzle made entirely of short fill? Gruesome. And those cheater squares*—all those ridiculous extra black squares in the NW / SE corners—yikes. You'd never see those in a professionally made puzzle for grown-ups unless there was some reason the constructor was trying to make the grid very easy to fill. And there is a reason. It's just not a good reason. Also, as I say, this exact theme has been done before, under this editor's watch. Many of you won't have seen that one, and this one is *definitely* cleaner than the first one, but software's also gotten a lot better since then, so, again, all I can say is, who cares? And why? Why? 


I literally cut-and-pasted today's theme description from the 2008 puzzle. I feel like this puzzle doesn't deserve much more than a cut-and-paste write-up, but here's a little something: It was super-easy and yet somehow also a chore. It felt borderline insulting. Fill is either overfamiliar crosswordese or it's bizarre stuff like PILS (20A: Pale lager, informally), or an outlier proper noun like RAO'S (52A: Tomato sauce brand named for a famed restaurant in East Harlem—a debut today), or some horrid bit of "business-speak" (48D: Post-mortem meetings, in business-speak = RETROS). I imagine lots of people will be warmly disposed to this puzzle today solely because they broke their Tuesday speed record (by a mile?). My only real issues were with PILS and RAO'S (don't believe the former, never heard of the latter). Oh, I never even saw NO SIDE until just now, but never heard of that one either. Look, that's all I got. The puzzle gives me nothing, I got nothing to give. If the puzzle does its job next time, then you'll get a full write-up next time. Take care!

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

*cheater squares = black squares that do not add to the overall word count, usually added to make the grid easier to fill cleanly. They can be very useful, but are generally used sparingly / judiciously. Today, you can see them in a big clump, after DAP, before TATAS and before AMARO (and then again in symmetrical positions in the SE). There's also an unremarkable pair under DELS and above SLED.

P.S. LOL all the mad beer people in the comments. Look, if PILS were such a common term, we’d Definitely have seen it in crosswords by now. And yet, as with RAO’S…

P.P.S. On the other hand …
[my wife texted me this just now from the Price Chopper]

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119 comments:

Conrad 5:30 AM  


The note said, "Today’s puzzle has an extraordinary quality. Can you discover what it is?"

I thought I had it immediately: the blocks of black squares at the top and bottom of the puzzle seemed to be giving me the finger.

Tom 4 5:49 AM  

Form should be in service of content, not the other way around.

I’d like my 4 minutes back please.

I guess to be fair this was an excellent example of how not to build a good puzzle. Like a hall of fame of bad fill - at one point I did wonder, hmm, is it April Fool’s?

Anonymous 5:51 AM  

I don’t know, I liked it. Yeah, those big blocks of black squares are ugly, and there aren’t (m)any exciting answers, but that doesn’t bother me much on a Tuesday. And PILS is totally a legit beer word and the clue was fair. Sometimes Rex picks weird fights with words.

Son Volt 6:07 AM  

The big guy nailed it.

This was truly a Royal SCAM

Anonymous 6:09 AM  

I knew even before I saw Rex’s review that this puzzle was crummy. All the small things (words). Yuck.

JJK 6:23 AM  

I think Rex is being a bit harsh, although I admit I would never have seen the theme without an explanation. But then it seemed like a bit of an engineering feat. Maybe I’m easily impressed, and yes, the puzzle was both easy and dull.

rushscott 6:25 AM  

Kind of like finding the 847th digit of pi I suppose? A great technical accomplishment that ends up exhausting and adds nothing when done? Fun fact - the 847th digit of pi is 1 (even if you include the 3 before the decimal point) - I feel better I suppose.

Tom F 6:48 AM  

Oh fwiw RAOS is an extremely common pasta sauce, no problem there, and PILS is a frequent beer label so I don’t see the problem either.

Anders 6:51 AM  

Did not notice note so wondered why it was a themeless with some odder than normal Tuesday fill (AMAL/AMARO was a Natick for me though I did guess correctly). Glad I came here for enlightenment.

Peter P 6:55 AM  

Well, I thought it was pretty clever, having never seen it before. I grokked the theme about a third of the way through, somewhere shortly after RACECAR. I was thinking more along the lines of the puzzle being a palindrome rather than rotational symmetry, but the latter is a more accurate description. PILS is a perfectly fine answer, and RAO'S makes the only jarred pasta sauces I find at all worth eating. Problem is they're like $8-$10 a jar, unless you find them on sale for around two for $12. I think Walmart sometimes has them at around that price. Otherwise, every normal grocery store I've been to, they've been in the high single digits. Doesn't matter as I still prefer making it at home from good canned tomatoes, and it doesn't take much more time. But they are a quality product.

SouthsideJohnny 6:57 AM  

Omg, DAP, PRET, AMARO, PILS, STEN, AMAL, ORAMA, ENROL, NOSIDE and OREN - that has got to be a record for the most nonsense ever stuffed into a Tuesday grid. This thing was just abominable. Easily the worst Tuesday of the year so far, if not the worst puzzle of the year. Good riddance.

Natasha 7:03 AM  

I thought it was surprisingly clean fill for how tough this must have been to do. RETROS was the only thing that I thought was tough; PILS is a very real thing and I've seen RAO'S everywhere the past year or so (which coincides with when I moved back to Brooklyn, so that may be a factor here). I liked it.

Wanderlust 7:03 AM  

“Why am I doing a crappy themeless puzzle on a Tuesday?” sums up my feelings exactly. I didn’t know about the rotational thing until I came here. (Solving on the app there’s no reason to look at the info tab so I missed the “Can you guess?” note.) After checking a few answers to see what Rex was talking about, I thought, “Huh, interesting, never noticed that.” But I had no desire to look at any other mirrored answers.

This puzzle is entirely for the constructor, zip for the solver.

kitshef 7:07 AM  

I never, ever ever, can remember which is DAP and which is ‘dab’. If anyone has a mnemonic, I’d love to have it.

This was especially important today, as I solved Across-only and would have finished with DAb/bRET, if not for the theme.

Would not want a puzzle like this every day, but it was a nice wrinkle and Tuesday a good day for it.

Anonymous 7:08 AM  

To anyone grousing about this, Rex that includes you, I challenge you to create a puzzle with this design. Stop with the negativity, already!

@probrick 7:12 AM  

A classic example of something that is hard to do but is not interesting for the person solving the puzzle. Harder than but not quite as stupid as a puzzle I saw once where all the clues started with the same letter.

Irene 7:15 AM  

Did anyone else want to solve Pale lager as PISS, not PILS?

Anonymous 7:21 AM  

Going to Rao’s in the ‘60s was kind of exciting because it was in a strange corner of the city and said to be mafia. A dog under a table there bit a friend and the food was wonderful.

ncmathsadist 7:25 AM  

A lot of the fill was abmomidable: PRET AMARO/AMAL Natick, RAOS, LORNE/OREN
Natick. Ucch.

GAC 7:26 AM  

I think that Will Shortz is entitled to toss in an oddball puzzle like this one if he wishes. It certainly is a difficult one to construct, so I just see it as an interesting example of the puzzler's art. And it reminds me of my sister's strange ability to speak backwards. Or, as she would say "ot kaeps sdrawkcab".

Peter P 7:28 AM  

@kitschef -- For the mnemonic, you can go with a rhyme like a DAP is a friendly tap? Or slap? And remember DAB is the other one, Or get silly and A DAB is a bashful crab? (Imagine a cram hiding its face in a claw, with another claw outstretched like in the dance move. If you don't know the dance move, it looks like someone sneezing into their elbow. It's a silly image, but easy to remember for that reason, like any mnemonic should be.)

Bob Mills 7:33 AM  

Easy? Who calls a fist bump a DAP? When has RAOS tomato sauce ever appeared in a supermarket? Most of the fill was easy, but when you cross two strange items it becomes difficult.

Joaquin 7:38 AM  

Not only the best debut puzzle *ever*, but one of the best puzzles ever. Kudos to Mr. Jaret on this truly remarkable idea/design/execution. Fifty+ years of doing the NYT Xword and here is something new and engaging! If this theme was done in 2008 I'd forgotten all about it (or maybe missed that day) so this solved as a first for me.

YMMV. And most of yours did!

Lewis 7:38 AM  

When this theme was done for the first time, in 2008, so many found it astounding, and, IMO, 15 years sounds reasonable to me, to repeat it, so that a great many more can be astounded. I'm guessing many will be.

This puzzle may be a good test for determining who sees the glass half empty and who sees it half full.

Credit goes to Joe Krozel for coming up with this concept. Familiar with Joe? He is an envelope breaker. In fact, he is the only constructor to have made a NYT grid with a five-stack, that is, grid spanners in five consecutive rows.

Credit goes to Daniel for creating another semordnilaporama. Is it hard to make such a crossword? Well, on one hand, you only need to construct half a grid, and the other half automatically fills in. On the other, you have to create a separate semordnilap-only dictionary for your puzzlemaking software, and then you have to make it work in the grid, which can involve a ton of trial and error, such as moving, adding, and subtracting black squares.

Interesting asides: Daniel’s puzzle uses 16 letters, and Joe’s used but 13. Also, something rare about Daniel’s puzzle is that there are no double letters in any of the down answers.

RACECAR got me looking for palindromes, and then SATAT rang the bell. “It’s a Joe!,” I happy screamed inside.

I say yes yes yes, this was a stunt worth repeating. Daniel, congratulations on your debut. What the heck are you going to follow this up with?

Anonymous 7:43 AM  

I don't really disagree with Rex's general assessment, but PILS is definitely a thing. Named after the Czech city of Pils and namesake of the longer "pilsner" as a beer style

Anonymous 7:45 AM  

Laughed out loud

Anonymous 7:52 AM  

Thought this was extremely clean for the feat of construction it represents, far beyond Rex’s “better software” handwave. Yeah, they’re short answers, but they’re by-and-large good short answers, and some of the cluing is pretty fun. And I very much enjoyed the aha! moment I got when I figured out the “extraordinary” bit. I dunno, maybe it could’ve run on a Monday, but taken as a whole I thought there was an awful lot here to like.

Peter P 7:55 AM  

@anonymous 7:43 -- the Czech city is Plzeň, or Pilsen in English and German. And, yes, Pilsner (or Pils for short--you'll see it especially in beer names, like Victory's Prima Pils or Paulaner Pils), is named after it.

Anonymous 7:56 AM  

I definitely understand where Rex is coming from and appreciate his critique. I disagree about PILS and RETROS as both are quite common in my sphere.

Nancy 8:03 AM  

A STUNT puzzle -- and ugly as sin. My response to it is TNUTS!

To accomplish this pointless exercise -- an exercise in how much the constructor and not the solver is being challenged and stimulated -- we must put up with such dreadful fill as DELS and PILS and DEEPS and AMAL.

And bad as the fill is, it's even worse when you have to fill it in twice: the second time right to left and bottom to top. You don't even have to look at the clues.

Hope the constructor had fun. I had nothing remotely close to it.

Anonymous 8:19 AM  

PILS is a *very* common shorthand for pilsner. Really a gimme.

Anonymous 8:20 AM  

Rao’s is everywhere, and the best store pasta sauce found

pabloinnh 8:23 AM  

Two things about this one:

Since the gimmick was fairly obvious, SOAR gave me RAOS, of which I had never heard.

The fact that a STUNT puzzle has STUNT as an answer is mildly amusing.

I didn't remember the 2008 version, as I probably did it during a free period while teaching. I think I would have had the same reaction then that I did today--very impressive feat of construction but the fill took all the joy out of it. Nice trick, DJ. Just Don't do it again.

In happier news, got to QB in yesterday's SB for the first time in quite a while. Must have been an easy one. I don't care.

Dr.A 8:24 AM  

I will just say that Rao’s sauce is actually great! Other than that. No thanks.

jberg 8:26 AM  

I'm really disappointed to see that so many of you actually figured out what was going on. Not me. I did notice that there were a lot of words with AP in them, but somehow the PA ones didn't get my attention. Now I look at the grid and it seems obvious. Ah well.

In 1979 the International Political Science Association held its world congress in Moscow, and my wife and I turned it into a 2-week trip. That's another story, but one night we decided to eat in Prague Cafe, which featured PILSener Urquell, which was head and shoulders better than the Russian beers. So the name stuck. With the growth of the craft beer movement in Ammerica, everyone's taste has turned to ales, while those without that quality drink Bud Light. In consequence, the words for different types of lager have almost disappeared.

Anyway, this puzzle left me with many questions: Is STETS something you can pluralize? Are caribou DEER? Is DSL an ethernet alternative, or a way of connecting to ethernet? (When I used to have DSL, my computer was connected to the modem by an ethernet cable.)

I agree with the general perception that this one wasn't much fun to solve. Getting into that block in the mid-South was particularly unpleasant, be cause neither RETROS or RIPAT was inferable without a few crosses. But I guess I'd have liked it more if I'd figured it out.

BritSolvesNYT 8:30 AM  

If the constructor reads the comments happy to say I liked it - I don't mind the occasional puzzle that does something different. Of course it forces rough fill in places but it's a concept puzzle, and an impressive feat. I'm sure normal service will resume tomorrow...

JD 8:34 AM  

Fun, a big surprise, and clever. Glad to know about Retro and, now retired, will work it into conversation with the offspring to show how hip I still am, even though I use the word hip. I'll also ask the server for a suggestion on a nice Pils.

Pace Car and Ragu for a little while. Trams, Spoons, Tata & Snoops, a damn fun law firm.

Ted 8:34 AM  

Order a PILS in any Dutch establishment and you will get a fine Pilsner. Order a beer and the server will ask the tourist “what kind, Pilsner?

BlueStater 8:39 AM  

I thought this an execrable puzzle, but I thank OFL for showing me why....

Georgia 8:39 AM  

Though I first typed RAGU, Rao's is quite common.

bocamp 8:47 AM  

Thx, Daniel, 'tops spot' goes to you! 😊

Easy-med.

RACED thru this one.

Took some time post-solve to grok the awesome construction feat. Kudos!

Enjoyed looking for the stunt as much as doing the puz itself! :)

@kitshef (7:07 AM)

I've been using 'tap' to denote DAP. It works! (hi @ Peter P 7:28 AM))

@Bob Mills (7:33 AM)

Not sure I've ever had occasion to actually say DAP, but DAPped bff on Sunday. It's been in xwords so often that it's well ingrained in my lexicon.
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alexscott68 8:52 AM  

I agree with Rex, he has been writing about the NYT xword too long.

Much more interesting than the typical Tuesday, which usually features a corny theme with meh fill. This one was a construction feat that also was interesting once you finished. The fill was the fill, but there were no bad offenders. As for PILS, that’s been on beer labels for as long as I can remember. And RAOS has been in supermarkets around Chicago for more than a dozen years, so I’m guessing it’s pretty common elsewhere (i.e., the complaints are nonsense).

Rex, I know PANS are more fun to write (and read), but I think the constructor deserves a lot more credit than you gave him.

Anonymous 8:54 AM  

I noticed the lack of long answers/revealer.

I noticed that RACECAR right in the middle was a palindrome.

But only after finishing the puzzle did I realize what they had done, AGAIN. I thought to myself, wasn't it also a Tuesday when the first fully rotationally symmetric grid was made?

Turns out, YES. https://www.xwordinfo.com/Crossword?date=12/23/2008 - and it also has EDISON paired with NOSIDE.

Just...why?

Visho 8:55 AM  

Yup. But I knew Clooney wasn't "Amas" 😁

mmorgan 9:05 AM  

While solving, I found this extremely easy, so much so that I didn’t experience it as overly bland — I was distracted by how quickly it was filling itself in. I was nearly finished when I noticed the gimmick. I don’t recall the earlier one, but I thought the gimmick itself was pretty nifty. I don’t know if it was accomplished by software or the constructor or both, but I thought it was pretty nifty.

Victoria 9:11 AM  

Well, I actually thought it was fun, not having seen this gimmick before. Also Rao's is great pasta sauce if you're not making your own.

Whatsername 9:15 AM  

Haven’t done a puzzle in several days so I was looking forward to this morning when I finally had the time to get back to it, especially after seeing the note about how extraordinary it promised to be. But the anticipation soon faded as I very swiftly covered the grid with boring answers to extremely easy clues. I began to wonder what kind of STUNT was being pulled and why my usual NYTXW offering felt more like a People magazine puzzle with a riddle.

So, mixed reactions and mixed feelings. As a lover of words I can’t help but admire the concept and the extent of the constructor’s accomplishment. But as an avid cruciverbalist I do so with a lingering sense of disappointment that the experience of solving my Tuesday puzzle was kind of a dud.

However, personal reactions aside, I congratulate Daniel Jaret on an impressive debut. He obviously has the chops to create dynamite crossword puzzles and I look forward to them. Hopefully in the future, the RECAPS will be more positive.



RooMonster 9:16 AM  

Hey All !
Quite an impressive feat of constructioneering. To be able to get the same word backwards from top to bottom/left to right is tres cool. And quite difficult. And most are real words. (Most, with a theme like this, you really need to cut the constructor some slack.)

When I first saw the grid, I said, "Holy Moly, look at all those Blockers! What could the theme be, with all those short answers?" Started solving, not noticing any kind of theme. Like @jberg, I didn't grok what was going on, but did notice a lot of similar letters. Maybe if I took a sec or two to scan the whole puz instead of concentrating on just the section I was in, I'd've seen it. Did notice RACECAR as a palindrome, and thought @Lewis would be ecstatic about that. Once finished, looked over grid, and saw what it was. "Wow!" was exclaimed. And my eyes darted from one spot to it's symmetric spot all over the grid.

Awesome puz, here. Unsure if I was solving in 2008, but I do have a print-out of a similar type trick. I think it had to do with the clues. I don't have time right now to search for it.

Impressive, Daniel, here's hoping you aren't bald after this.

No F's (Amazingly enough, even gonna give that a pass! But don't do it again, Daniel!)
RooMonster
DarrinV

andrew 9:21 AM  

@Lewis 7:38 - I see this puzzle as FLAH LLUF (of PARC).

The AMARO/ORAMA couplet was particularly terrible, and DELS/PILS/RAOS?

“What Mrs. Clooney allegedly snorts to get through puzzles like these (var.)” AMAL

Lame-ORAMA!


(Ps - DON’T look up DAP or SCAT on porn sites. And ATM isn’t just for $20s. Or so they tell me…)

RooMonster 9:22 AM  

Oh, also meant to add that I got QB Yesterday! Woot Woot! First time in forever for me! Agree with @pablo, it must've been easy! 😁

RooMonster Queen Deprived Guy

Anonymous 9:24 AM  

RAOS is a “famed” restaurant? To whom? I find it quite amusing how provincial native New Yorkers are. Imagine if the clue were a hot shrimp sauce named for a famed Indianapolis restaurant.
I think this puzzle is a marvel of construction . I liked it despite LORNE OREN & DAP, the famed law firm.

Sir Hillary 9:40 AM  

No, no, no -- and again, no!

Here was my experience: Opened the puzzle on the NYT site, saw the note (was mildly intrigued), paid no attention to the grid layout (because I never do), plowed right in, made quick headway all the way to RACECAR, grokked the gimmick, and then...filled in the entire bottom half of the puzzle without reading the clues!

How was this supposed to be fun?? @Lewis correctly notes that the constructor needed only build half a puzzle (albeit with significant constraints) -- problem is, we only needed to solve half a puzzle. Whaaaaaat???

This puzzle is a 53-Across, nothing more. I generally have more tolerance for those than many folks here, but @Nancy's criticism at the lack of solver-centricity has never been more spot-on than today.

Gary Jugert 9:40 AM  

A themeless Tuesday, blech. Looking it over, seems like a lot of iffy fill for a themeless.

Hahaha. Just read 🦖's review. OMG. It's worse than I thought, and it made me think "just like 🦖" EEKS! Then I went to look at the editor's note (on Android it's hidden on the title page nobody looks at) and I believe the extraordinary quality they're referencing is their willingness to throw the morning of a few hundred thousand solvers under the bus while one constructor and six editors have a lovely time. They're supposed to wait until Thursday to slap the face of their customers with their 5th Avenue condescension.

Second day in a row of SPOON-ing.

Tee-Hees: TATAS and LSD. Put 'em together and what do you got? You're melting in stereo with two purple elephants with scary teeth.

Uniclues:

1 Performs a successful reconnaissance in a Mensan's bathroom cabinet.
2 Hugs gondola wall in terror each trip to the top.
3 Precursor to an ambulance ride, according to an announcer.
4 Front desk clerk at a towing company.
5 Youngster wistfully eyes gadget during a journey with his English-degreed parents.

1 SNOOPS SMART
2 SPOONS TRAMS
3 IT'S A STUNT SLIP (~)
4 REPO SORTER (~)
5 SPOTS AVON SEGA

Beezer 9:56 AM  

After a wonderfully long visit with my sister I’m back to having time for the the occasional comment. And wow. I just do not see the reason for the hate thrown at this by @Rex and others. It’s a Tuesday and I expect it to be easy so I tucked the editor’s note away in my mind as I solved. I figured something was up with RACECAR square in the middle but didn’t see the connection until I got toward the bottom. Up at the top I had a brief period where I had rebused “etto” into AMARetto and thought, hmmm…bitter(?) because I’ve not heard of AMARO, and I WILL say I’ve never heard anyone say “extravaganzaORAMA” which is the only nit I can pick today.

@Bob Mills…you might as well put DAP into your vocab list. It’s been a term now for a while now. @Kitshef…I used to tend to think of DAb also but now I just remember “dab” is a “real” word while DAP is a neologism. Well, at least it is for now…

Smith 9:57 AM  

Well, maybe it's because I'm in Germany, where they definitely say PILS (had one with lunch!), and we ride the awesome TRAMS, including the world's first aerial monorail which is in Wuppertal (opened 1901 & still running as a regular form of public transit) that you can ride with your Deutschland Ticket, how cool is that, *and* we are steps away from the world HQ of ERGO, a giant insurance company, but I enjoyed speeding through this this morning.

I saw RACECAR and thought, hmm, a palindrome right in the center, but that's as far as I got on the theme.

Also, when in the US I do sometimes by RAOS, and then add some cream. Yummy.

Carola 10:03 AM  

My reaction was "Amazing!" both for the constructing feat and the fact that I didn't catch on to it until I was down to the RAOS row. Halfway through, I'd wondered, "Wait, what's going on with a theme?" and actually read through all of the Acrosses and Downs I had, looking for the usual sort of commonality. I'd wondered if something might be going on with the S words but couldn't find a pattern. I finally saw DELS & SLED, but it took another minute to realize that all the answers were forward-backward pairs. I thought it was ingenious. Admittedly, I may be denser than the average bear, but I give the constructor props for making it seem like a normal puzzle for so long . Anyway - I'm one of the few fans today, and a big one.

Do-over: DEmS before DELS. Help from previous puzzles: STEN. Help from figuring out the theme: RAOS, NOSIDE, RETROS. No idea: OREN.

Anonymous 10:11 AM  

NYT may be the paper of record, but it is an NYC publication after all. It’s fairly common—and perfectly understandable—that the crossword takes that perspective at times. Your clue might very well be found in a crossword in an Indianapolis newspaper.

Anonymous 10:18 AM  

DSL as an "ethernet alternative" is just wrong, no? I wonder if the original cluing was "cable alternative," editing decided that "cable" as a stand-in for "cable internet" was too vague for a Tuesday, and then something got miscommunicated with the fix.

Or am I missing how DSL and ethernet are alternatives for each other? (One's the way of getting internet access into your building, and the other is a way to pipe it around within the home/office, right?)

("Fiber alternative" would have been better, too, then.)

Anonymous 10:19 AM  

It's damn good, too!

WestofNatick 10:23 AM  

The story I read about Rao’s some years ago was that the Mick Jaggers of the world come and go through Rao’s without notice. The one exception was the GREAT Luciano Pavarotti who got a standing O upon entering. To all the Pooh poohers: Try getting a table. Perhaps if ur the Police Commissioner’s bff he’ll let you have his table one night. Rao’s IS a NYC institution of the first order and I’m sorry you never heard of it Rex.

Kate Esq 10:25 AM  

The NYT occasionally likes to nerd out with grid gimmicks - ooh, look at the grid! Isn’t it INTERESTING? But I find them a complete snooze fest unless the clues and answers are good. And these were not. It was decidedly meh to solve. I did not get the gimmick until reading the commentary, and after I did, I wasn’t amazed or interested. It’s just not an aspect of crossword construction that I am interested in.

egsforbreakfast 10:29 AM  

My mnemonic for DAP: If you do it wrong, you’ll Damage A Pinkie.

I think TNUTS might be shorthand for what Tucker Carlson suggested for men. I guess the female equivalent would be to get TATS on your TATAS ……STAT!

It may be a STUNT puzzle, but it’s a damn impressive one. I was delighted and in awe when I saw the gimmick. It was a first for me since I wasn’t yet born in 2008. Congrats on a most impressive debut, Daniel Jaret.

Anonymous 10:31 AM  

I thought the same! Ha!

Anonymous 10:33 AM  

I don't know why people think this is a construction feat or extra hard. In fact, I think it's probably easier than a traditional puzzle. Because you only have to make half a puzzle. The only restriction is that you have to limit your word list to Semordnilaps - that is, words that spell something different (but legitimate, as least in crosswords) backwards. ... so, say "SAT" and "TAs." A computer can easily and quickly cull a global word list to limit it to these words. Then you just have to make half a puzzle, limiting yourself to that word list. Once you have half a puzzle, you just flip it. You get the symmetry for free. In a traditional puzzle you have to find words that fit the symmetry and also work as crosses. That's hard. Here, you skip that entire hard part by limiting your word list from the start. I'm not sure why that's not obvious to more people and why some people think this is such a genius construction feat. Except for the limitation on the initial word list (which is quite large once you allow all the crosswordese), It's easier - not harder.

Joseph Michael 10:39 AM  

An impressive STUNT that was unfun to solve. Didn’t realize what was going on until I finished the grid and went back to see if I could discover what was so “extraordinary” about it. Once I finally saw it, I was able to confirm that my DAP/PRET, AMAL/PILS, and RAOS/NOSIDE guesses had been correct. So I guess that’s worth a DAP. However, I think @Conrad summed it up best in the first comment of the day.

JD 10:43 AM  

@jberg, Stets. JD hurries through the document, makes a bunch of changes and then stets half of them.

Not saying it's legit, but it was said.

bocamp 10:44 AM  

Dropped LSD twice. It was a round 'trip': first in Belgrade ('70); took a dip in the Danube for a swim I never wanted to end. The other part of the 'trip' was in Kabul ('70), resulting in a paranoid experience I desperately wanted to end. I was definitely DEEP in the 'abyss'. Thank goodness for the DEA agent at the American embassy who introduced me to C.S. It was what I had been searching for throughout my time in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The subsequent healing was by far the most significant event in my life and never ceases to amaze me with its ongoing daily gifts.

"Those who trust in the Lord will renew their strength.⁣ They will SOAR high on wings like 'eagles'. They will run and not grow weary. ⁣They will walk and not faint."⁣ (Isaiah 40:31⁣⁣)

Unknowns, hazies, learnings: PRET; OREN; PILS; RETROS; AMAL; NO SIDE; AMARO; RAOS.

Re: SPEED. Got a new Rubik's Cube (which purports to include magnets for smoother twisting). Recently, recorded my best ever time: 14 seconds. Getting into the high teens more often than with previous cubes. SPEED cubing is a daily regimen.
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@pabloinnh (8:23 AM) 👍 for QB! 🐝
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

Anonymous 10:45 AM  

Not to pile on about the PILS thing, but Oskar Blues has a pilsner called "Mama's Little Yella Pils"

kitshef 10:59 AM  

Dap-tap, dap-tap, dap-tap, got it.

Maybe.

@egsforbreakfast's method would be more memorable, but I imagine I could also damage a pinky if I dab wrong.

Also, agree with @Anonymous 10:18 that DSL is not an alternative to ethernet. As none of the real alternatives would fit, I originally went with LAN there, which is also wrong, but less wrong.

Joe Dipinto 11:02 AM  

As someone who makes his own tomato sauce, I also like to keep jarred sauce on hand, and RAO'S and the more recent Carbone brands are the only two I buy. Both are excellent. And both make a delicious dipping sauce out of the jar. Higher-end, pricewise, but they frequently go on sale in Brooklyn.

(At one local store, I recently counted 37 different brands of jarred tomato sauce. Can the market possibly support that many?)

STOPS

Adam S 11:11 AM  

LOL Rex on the subject of PILS.

Not that he doesn't know it, which is totally understandable. But he is forever telling constructors to rely less on their word lists and software. Then he has a go at a constructor that finds an unused 4-letter word that is much more in common usage than a bunch of the 3-5 letter crosswordese we are all INUREd to and asserts (paraphrasing) that the fact it is a debut makes it by definition obscure. I'd much rather see it than an obscure actor with a weirdly spelled name. And since we've had 16 IPAs in the last year we were arguably overdue for a PILS.

And a big shoutout for RAOS' arrabiata, which is delicious.

On the crossword, I didn't enjoy it at all as a solve but did enjoy showing the grid to my daughter and marveling together that someone had constructed it. Perhaps the Times should have published the solution as an architectural achievement and given us a regular Tuesday as well?

GILL I. 11:23 AM  

Oh...look! A palindrome puzzle? All symmetrically placed in an interesting order? Let's see....
I caught on to you early. And guess what? You helped me with SLAP and LORNE. I didn't know you, but now I do.
So...I went back and read the 2008 comments. I was lurking then. I was afraid to jump in and tell everyone what I felt. I was also scared of @evil. Hey...@jae piped in and he's still with us. Did you notice how many Anonys there were...and @Rex commenting as well!
Back to the puzzle....
I will imagine this was created without computer help. I will imagine that this idea came to Daniel all on his own. I will imagine he had fun creating this puzzle. I will imagine that Will liked it and I will imagine that Daniel was thrilled that his puzzle was accepted.
En hora buena, Daniel...Enjoy your day...I know that I'd be thrilled if I had a puzzle accepted by the NYT.
Now back to finish reading the bazillion comment in 2008.

Anonymous 11:24 AM  

I didn't notice the theme, which maybe says something not great about me, but this puzzle sucks even more if you don't notice the theme. DELS STETS NOSIDE what the hell are those? It would have been incredibly easy if only I'd seen the theme, but instead I was left with awful fill that I don't even recognize.

Anonymous 11:25 AM  

Is RAO'S an American thing? I've never seen it before. Had to get it with crosses, and I'm someone who buys pasta sauce.

Anonymous 11:33 AM  

Rao's is overpriced. Not worth the extra money.

Joe Dipinto 11:48 AM  

@Adam S 11:11– the arrabiata sauce is my fave

SharonAK 11:56 AM  

Well, I thought it a very pleasant solve. Almost finished with with three clues still in question. Looked for the "extraordinary quality". Smiled when I found it and was able to finish the puzzle. Smiled bigger as I read more of the palindromes.
So my reaction was the opposite of Rex's
Agree with those who found Raos unknown. Was doubtful it out be right when the crosses filled it in

A Coral 5:30 I did have that same thought

Anonymous 11:59 AM  

I guess I never did the crosswords in 2008, but I LOVED this puzzle. I got it early on, but I thought it was so clever—especially e the center RACECAR which is itself a palindrome. Sure you could fill in half the puzzle without reading the clues, but I thought the theme was so clever I didn’t even mind. It was a much more clever theme that I’ve be seeing recebtky!

Anonymous 11:59 AM  

RAO’S happens to be the eighth biggest selling tomato sauce in the US. I bought some this past weekend at the Costo in Georgia.

And PILS? Come on? If the rest of this puzzle was som easy but you don’t know PILS?

JC66 12:05 PM  

Just to clear things up, RACECAR is it's own palindrome for
acrossses and STETS is it's own palindrome for the downs.

JC66 12:10 PM  

The two answers the entire puzzle rotates around.

johnk 12:17 PM  

I didn't mind this puzzle, mostly. It's a Tuesday. But DSL as an Ethernet alternative? An uninformed clue.
I did miss BFHJKQWXY and Z, though.

jb129 12:19 PM  

I solved very quickly left wondering "There was a theme?"

Whatsername 12:26 PM  

@Jd (8:34) “Trams, Spoons, Tata & Snoops, a damn fun law firm.” 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks! I needed that laugh.

@bocamp (10:44) Isaiah 40:31 is one of my favorite passages and what I immediately thought of upon seeing the clue for SOAR. What a nice addition to the commentary today. A little scripture never hurt anyone that I know of.

Anonymous 12:30 PM  

And Sunday’s Times magazine was the “California Edition.”

ThistlewickFlanders 12:35 PM  

The best part of this puzzle was we got a Simpsons reference and a (relatively old) Lucius song in the write-up. Worth it.

Also I don't know know a lawyer clooney, so for a moment I had "piss" for the pale lager - which seemed reasonable is the clue is read a certain way by certain snobs.

Dale Gribble 12:39 PM  

HELP. I filled the entire puzzle, the clock stopped, but on the main NYTIMES Games page (I am on Chrome for Mac) it says "Resume Puzzle." So I am not done, even though the clock stopped and the puzzle is full. What am I supposed to be doing?

Tom P 12:46 PM  

RAO'S is my favorite brand of tomato sauce and the only thing I liked about this puzzle.

Gary Jugert 12:53 PM  

I just bought a jar of Rao's pasta sauce based on the enthusiasm from y'all. $8.99. My wife is Italian and making spaghetti sauce is an all-day event at our house, so I have very low expectations, but I'm curious. She's out of town tomorrow so I will sneak it into the house and give it a try.

jae 1:00 PM  

Medium. I know I did the 2008 puzzle but thousands of puzzles later I have no memory of it so I initially thought this was pretty impressive. After reading @Rex I agree that once was probably enough, or what @pabloinnh said.

Teedmn 1:02 PM  

Ha, post-solve, looking for the "extraordinary quality", all I could think of was "short fill?"

The true trick does engender some admiration from me as being a neat trick but that's it. I probably did the 2008 puzzle but back then I wasn't reading any analyses of crosswords so it most probably went right over my head.

Congrats, Daniel Jaret, on your debut.

Anonymous 1:12 PM  

My feelings exactly. Easy? YesTuesday also yes, and pretty darn hard to construct, I’d say. Kudos, and thanks!

Anoa Bob 1:41 PM  

I thought the "extraordinary" thing about this one was the 48 (!) black squares, the 8 cheater/helper squares and the 54 3- and 4-letter words.

When the crosswordese extraordinaire STEN showed up, I went back and saw the symmetrically placed NETS, then noticed the central palindromes STETS crossing RACECAR and the gimmick was revealed. The upper left DORA and lower right AROD confirmed my suspicions and the rest of the puzzle auto-filled. It was A TAD of a letdown as the first puzzle after a four day hiatus.

This Brylcreem commercial from the 50s helps me distinguish between DAP and DAb.

Brylcreem - a little dab'll do ya
Brylcreem - you look so debonair
Brylcreem - the girls will all pursue ya
They love to get their fingers in your hair!

okanaganer 1:52 PM  

I read the note and was looking for the trick, then RACECAR came along, a famous palindrome, to reveal it. Unfortunately it spoiled much of the puzzle for me as I decided to fill in the bottom without looking at the clues, which it turns out is absolutely no fun.

PILS is a common thing. A friend heard I was going to Europe, and he raved about drinking Pilsner Urquell in Prague. I tried to learn the Czech name of it, but never succeeded in getting any waiters to understand what I wanted in either English or Czech.

[Spelling Bee: yd 0, very quick.]

68Charger 2:16 PM  

I thought this was a good, though not great, Tuesday puzzle!
I did see the note, first off, mentioning the "extraordinary quality", so I kept an eye open for anything!
When I finished and finally saw the pattern, I thought it was kind of clever!
I have seen a lot worse themes in the past.
Anyone familiar with the NPR Sunday Puzzle from a couple weeks ago, the one regarding 'Stromboli'?? Now that was an example of a crummy puzzle!!
So, we just need to lighten up a little.

Andy Freude 2:20 PM  

Finished with RAO- and NO-IDE, having no idea of either answer. Dropped in the S and got the happy music. My reaction: “Huh? Meh.”

Anonymous 3:05 PM  

@What a feat of construction! folks - What's the big deal - you only had to fill out half a puzzle with words that were semo... (however you spell palindromes)s.

Pdxrains 3:32 PM  

I live in Portland Oregon and never heard of Raos before. Bit off a.Ny bias on that one. One of our really good sauce brands is Mezzeta from the Napa region of CA.

Mr. Benson 4:39 PM  

I’ve been in the business world for 25+ years, done plenty of postmortem calls and meetings, and have never heard the term “RETROS” before. It barely comes up as a Google result.

Mr. Benson 4:42 PM  

Also: I remember the previous “rotational symmetry” puzzle and can’t believe that was 15 years ago.

Anonymous 5:16 PM  

Mezzeta is indeed good. I cook a lot and many of my favorite recipes call for tomato sauce. I have found that Hunts can’t be beat!
Never heard of RAOS but will try it.

Anonymous 6:05 PM  

47 years in banking and never heard the term RETROS. I don't dispute it, but am pleased no one tried to call me to one!

B$ 6:22 PM  

What a clever piece of puzzle-making.
To those of you whining & griping, I encourage you to try making your own 14 x 14.

Anonymous 6:47 PM  

@Bob Mills (7:33 AM)

"Who calls a fist bump a DAP?" Black Americans, that's who!

Space Is Deep 7:09 PM  

I see RAOS pasta sauce in the grocery stores in Nebraska all the time . Never bought it. Way too expensive.

Anonymous 7:19 PM  

On the other hand… eight appearances for PILSNER in the Shortz era.
Absolutely agree on the overall quality of the puzzle though.

Anonymous 7:25 PM  

“Internet connector” or something like that would’ve been better. DSL uses a phone line for connection, but no one uses Ethernet to come into the home primary run either. You use Ethernet on the other side of the router.

Anonymous 7:29 PM  

Look at me putting INDYCAR instead of race car 🤦‍♂️

Anonymous 1:04 AM  

In fairness to the puzzle and Janet, Rao is a name well known in NYC, Pret a Manger is a chain sandwich/ coffee shop all over Manhattan ( other cities too) and Lorne Michaels has been head of Saturday Night Live filmed live in NYC for almost 50 years. It is NYC newspaper after all. BTW Michaels has appeared in the puzzle often.

Dale Gribble 6:18 AM  

I'd like to thank everyone for not helping me. Completed the puzzle, the clock stopped... now what? Woke up to the end of a 432 day streak because of some oblique OTHER requirement? Great community rex!

jberg 11:03 AM  

@JD from yesterday -- thanks, that makes sense! English is such a flexible language.

Tony 11:27 AM  

I rarely comment, but I feel compelled to say, yes, this puzzle was an extraordinary accomplishment--a demonstration of human ingenuity and the richness and potential of the English language. Bravo!

Anonymous 10:31 AM  

I may not be a puzzle snob like Rex, but I found this to be a very enjoyable solve. But what do I know?

spacecraft 10:37 AM  

The most unnecessary note in the history of crosswords. I think Mr. TERAJ is gilding the lily with "extraordinary quality." Uh, DUH! As soon as I got to the middle I just stopped reading clues and filled in the south half automatically. If I timed myself, this would doubtless have been a record. But again...why?

ITSA "Look,Ma, no hands!" type of thing. See what I can do. Yeah, maybe you can make fart noises with your armpits too, but do you really want to?

No need for RECAPS, that's all the SPACER it deserves. Points for the "feat," but still a bogey.

Wordle birdie.

Anonymous 4:41 PM  

Since I am a 35th-Day Adventist, and do the puzzle in ink, as Gof intended, in my local newspaper, I never see puzzle titles, or constructor's names, except for Sundays. Therefore, when I come to this blog is when I see that something was afoot. Now that being said, yes it was a very easy puzzle, even for a Tuesday, but it was also a brilliant piece of construction. Plus the fact that it also was a debut makes me admire it even more.

Anonymous 5:53 PM  

@kitshef 7:07 am:
You daB to your elBow.
You daP to your Pal's fist.

Burma Shave 7:08 PM  

SNOOP SPOTS STUNT

On her TATAS EVA had TATS,
and LORNE had SORTER DEEP guts,
ERGO EVA RECAPS LORNE should SCAT,
'cuz IT SMARTs, kicked in TNUTS.

---DORA EDISON

rondo 7:18 PM  

Only read half the clues, not necessary to fill in the bottom half. Unfun.
Wordle birdie.

Diana, LIW 9:13 PM  

Oh so very close. But I made a mess of the mid-south. Har!

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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