11th-century founder of Scholasticism / SUN 6-18-23 / Red snapper on a sushi menu / Secondary characters, in gamespeak / Easton singer with 2009 #1 country hit A Little More Country Than That / Glinda's reassurance to Dorothy on whether her dog can also return to Kansas / Controversial org. that filed for bankruptcy in 2021 / Financial institution that lends its name to a Boston arena / Curve cutter for carpenters / Scooping since 1928 sloganeer

Sunday, June 18, 2023

Constructor: Joe DiPietro

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: "My Two Cents" — familiar two-word phrases where second word word represents an offering of one's thoughts (hence the puzzle title); in the familiar phrase, the first word is adjectival, but the clue imagines it as a noun, so that, for instance, DOUBLE TAKE is clued as as a "take" about a (stunt) "double"; GAME THEORY is clued a "theory" about (wild) "game"; etc.

Theme answers:
  • DOUBLE TAKE (23A: "It's obvious the actors aren't doing these stunts")
  • GAME THEORY (25A: "Hares and rabbits are really the same animal, some say") (the "some say" feels redundant / unnecessary)
  • SERVING SUGGESTION (46A: "Waiter, you can hold off bringing the coffee till the end of the meal") (this isn't really "two cents" at all, or even a "suggestion"; it's essentially an order)
  • BLANKET RECOMMENDATION (69A: "Wool will keep you the warmest")
  • DISSENTING OPINION (94A: "Being contrarian is fun!")
  • CORE BELIEF (116A: "Whaddya mean it's the pits? It's the best part of an apple!")
  • SAGE ADVICE (118A: "Use it for Thanksgiving stuffing and saltimbocca")
Word of the Day: ST. MARTIN (64D: One of the Leewards) —
Saint Martin
 (FrenchSaint-MartinDutchSint Maarten) is an island in the northeast Caribbean Sea, approximately 300 km (190 mi) east of Puerto Rico. The 87 square kilometres (34 sq mi) island is divided roughly 60:40 between the French Republic (53 square kilometres (20 sq mi)) and the Kingdom of the Netherlands (34 square kilometres (13 sq mi)), but the Dutch part is more populated than the French part. The division dates to 1648. The northern French part comprises the Collectivity of Saint Martin and is an overseas collectivity of the French Republic. As part of France, the French part of the island is also part of the European Union. The southern Dutch part comprises Sint Maarten and is one of four constituent countries that form the Kingdom of the Netherlands. (wikipedia)
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This just isn't my thing. It got a bit better toward the middle and end, when I realized that the theme was a lot tighter than I'd imagined at first. It wasn't til I was in the bottom half of the grid that it wasn't just that the sense (cents?) of the phrases were being reimagined, but that all the clues were themselves examples of someone's offering their "two cents," and all the second words in the themers were rough synonyms for one's "two cents." Sincerely, I thought the only thing going on was some vague "cents" / "sense" pun. But the clues, while wacky, weren't really haha wacky. Kind of groaner-wacky, at best. And without real humor, the pattern became a bit repetitive (as patterns will, I suppose). Not a SERVING SUGGESTION but a suggestion *about* a serving, not a BLANKET RECOMMENDATION but a recommendation *regarding* blankets. And on and on. Advice about sage. A belief about (apple) cores. It's a tight concept, but the highs for me just weren't that high, and the humor involved was corny to me, mostly because it could never get to a truly and genuinely Wacky place. It just sort of stayed in dad joke territory. Chuckleworthy, maybe, but it's hard to keep the chuckles coming after the fifth or so iteration of this same idea. 


The most memorable part of the puzzle was the utter bafflement and frustration I felt trying to parse A BIT ODD (61D: Somewhat off). Absolute rookie mistake, clinging to the idea that the answer would be a single word, ugh. I had this same "you ****ing idiot!" self-recrimination the other day on Wordle, when, four guesses in, I just had -A--E and couldn't do Anything with the remaining consonants; I was thinking 'what obscure word could this possibly be?' ... until I (finally) realized "Oh, look, it's that very obscure word 'MAYBE'! Aaaargh..." So ABITOFF was, yes, an adventure, made more adventurous by my completely non-knowing of TAI (77A: Red snapper, on a sushi menu). I've probably seen that answer a dozen times over the years, but it just never sticks. If you'd told me that first letter was virtually any consonant in the alphabet, I'd've believed you. I also have no memory of ever having heard of the island of ST. MARTIN. Weird that the opening section of ST. MARTIN's wikipedia page (where it is never once spelled with the "Saint" abbreviated) contains no mention of its being part of the Leeward Islands (which are never referred to on *their* wikipedia page as the "Leewards"). Does get mentioned, eventually, and it's in the sidebar, but somehow I expected that fact to be more ... forward. Lots and lots of Leewards, it looks like: Virgin Islands, St. Kitts and Nevis, etc. After I got the ST. I thought of KITTS and BARTS and then I was out of ideas. I know lots of ST. MARTINs (the publisher ... the, uh, saint, I guess), but this island slipped my mind. I've never vacationed in the Caribbean, not once, so I've never really had occasion to make sense of where all the damn islands are. Very much my bad.


I also had trouble parsing RAN ITS COURSE, but I really liked that one, ultimately (63D: Developed and finished naturally). Probably my favorite answer in the grid. Much less fond of IN STONE standing awkwardly on its own (as the latter part of SET / IN STONE), and even less fond of TOTO TOO doing the same (43D: Glinda's reassurance to Dorothy on whether her dog can also return to Kansas). That answer is counting on your "Wizard of Oz" fandom to override the sensible part of your brain, which is sensibly telling you "that's not a standalone thing, not even close." I almost (Almost) like it because it has the absolute gall to not only stand there like it's something, but to do so while crossing its near-sound-alike cousin, TOE-TO-TOE. "Yes, hello, I am TOTO TOO, have you met my cousin, TOE-TO-TOE? What do you mean our names are silly and implausible!? How dare you."


I wondered why bookstores would have SAFES until I realized they probably had CAFES (107D: Features of some bookstores). I left the first two letters of UNARM blank because I convinced myself that DEARM might be a thing (yes, it's dumb, but no dumber than UNARM—the word is DISARM!). Completely forgot that Rick was a BLAINE (27A: Rick's last name in "Casablanca"). I'll take the puzzle's word for it that an ICE BOAT is a thing (15D: Skimmer over a frozen lake). And that TD BANK is a thing (4D: Financial institution that lends its name to a Boston arena)—I mean, now that I see it, I've heard of it, but woof, parsing that, also rough (ruff!). I can accept NRA today because the clue consigns that org. to where it belongs, i.e. Loserdom (37D: Controversial org. that filed for bankruptcy in 2021). I cannot, however, accept GREEN CAR (92D: Vehicle with lower emissions) (lower ... than what?); you mean ECOCAR, or something similarly adspeaky. A GREEN CAR is just a car with green paint. In fact, GREEN CAR is the green paint of cars ("green paint" being the general term for a crossword answer that's a real enough term, but that doesn't really have standalone power; for example, I've seen sad women before, but SAD WOMEN would not make a good crossword answer). EVS, PLUGINS, ECOCARS, even E-CARS, I'd buy all these before GREEN CAR. I do not buy GREEN CAR, nor would I but *a* GREEN CAR. Probably. Our car is a kind of maroon. Do you own a green car? Is it an AMC Gremlin? If not, why not? Look at this baby!


Since I'm down to amusing myself with Google Image Searches, I should probably wrap things up. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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91 comments:

Ken Freeland 12:34 AM  

HMTR (hated more than Rex).... not that Rex's assessment of the theme was overly sanguine...there I concurred. It's these damned PPP chunks. The first was that infernal MRMET/ECKO/MTA bit at top... I realize that New Yawkers probably breezed right through this, but for those of us outside the Big Apple this was just a natick. Somehow I magically parsed the right answer here. Not so down below. I thought the state had to be NEv, which gave me the theme answer COREvaLuEs, which I just couldn't shake, particularly as DaLe is at least as good an answer as DELL. Ah well... a comedy of errors I guess.... better luck next week....

jae 12:48 AM  

Easy-medium. No real problems with this one. Cute and mildly amusing, or just about right for a Sunday. So yes, I liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did.

“Never Have I Ever” is a Netflix series created by Mindy Kaling about a first generation Indian girl’s high school experience. John McEnroe is the narrator. It is delightful and I highly recommend it. It scored 95 on Rotten Tomatoes.

okanaganer 1:19 AM  

At first I thought this was our Joe on a Sunday! But then no, DiPietro not Dipinto.

I have more admiration for the theme after reading Rex: 'all the second words in the themers were rough synonyms for one's "two cents"'. Impressive to find this many good phrases that do so.

One of my dislikes is sports venue names, so I was a bit put off by two right next to each other... one in the clue (Citi Field) and one in the answer: TD BANK. Note to Rex: TD stands for Toronto Dominion, and RBC (big PGA golf sponsor) for Royal Bank of Canada. Go Canada!

I had a spooky moment when, like Rex, I thought SAFES were a common feature of bookstores. Because, weirdly, a bookstore that I frequented and later worked in (Mosaic Books, Kelowna) actually had one! The 100 year old building used to be a bank, and the old vault (basically a walk-in safe) was the bookstore's map room. I love maps so that was a pretty cool room. Just make sure no one closes the door while you're in there.

Also, but not so spooky, my last vehicle was a GREEN CAR (a 2000 Subaru Forester; man I miss that car).

[Spelling Bee: Sat 0; my last word this 6er.]

Anonymous 1:23 AM  

Maybe I'm just in a mood, but between NRA, UNARM, NEOCON, the Musk reference and the way they clued OVUM...it was the first time I've wondered where a constructor was on January 6th.

GILL I. 2:01 AM  

Well...frankly I'd like to sit down with Joe and have a little hot dog and a drink at his "dingy hole." Oh the stories we could tell. I might ask him why he had (what seemed to me) a lot of three's....And maybe names that I forgot long, long ago.
Silly little things, to be sure, when compared to the big picture....
Let's see... First of all I didn't have to cheat. I was tempted, but I wanted my dessert with plenty of chocolate. Let's see again...I stared at TAKE and THEORY and wondered....are these my two cents? SUGGESTION any one? Fun. Let's see if I can get the rest. I did!
Did I have trouble with the other fill? I did. Who are you MR MET and your down pal ECKO. Do I know you, ANSELM? Are you best friends with the Iron SHEIK? How about CORBIN...does she sing to you? I sat in a corner sucking my thumb. OK..time to move on. Wipe it away. I did.
I rather enjoyed this one, Joe. It certainly was different. When @Rex comes into your bar, give him a Shirley Temple. TOTO can lick his face.

@Anony late yesterday. If you're still reading . thanks for the pie clarification for AUTO COMPLETE. I've already forgotten what it means.... :-)

@Nancy 5:26 yesterday...My stepmom Is French. I first met her when I was about 16. She'd play Ives Montand, Edith Piaf and Josephine Baker records and tell me what the words meant. I could sing along but not really understand. My Dad and she owned an apartment in Villefranche (up the hill from Nice) and my sister, brother and I would visit often. I became friends with everyone - especially Le Pain lady who was next door to the Vin Monsieur. We'd chat up a storm and I really never understood what came out of my mouth. Learning another language at an early age helps you get over any fears. For some reason, Arabic and Chinese don't tingle my tongue.

Anonymous 4:28 AM  

I presume you have seen the memes of literal cars painted green parked on parking lots with a sign saying "Green cars only"?

Tom F 6:18 AM  

Pretty good. Ran fairly easy because all the crosses were fair (I think).

I like that the symmetrically opposite SHORT CIRCUIT RAN ITS COURSE !!

Love TOTOTOO. Bold.

And BLANKETRECOMMENDATION is pretty neat too.

Good enough!

Colin 6:36 AM  

I had some vague sense of the theme, and it took Rex's write-up to clarify things and bring more appreciation to this puzzle. DNF'd due to CAFES (I had CASES... as in bookCASES), and now I see why I could not figure out what COREBELIES was! Never even occurred to me, and it nagged at me briefly but I was eager to get on with my day, to the Kenken (which I couldn't finish... sigh).

I enjoyed the cross of TOTOTOO and TOETOTOE, and also the two "Ray" clues at the top. Other favorite clues included "had a cow," "they're never free of charge," and "John for Cleese."

An AMC Gremlin, OMG! Classic. As kids, we carpooled in one of those things. (Carpooling kids in a Gremlin - almost an oxymoron.)

To other fathers out there: Here's to a Happy Day!

Son Volt 6:42 AM  

Reverse approach here - well filled grid with a theme that comes up short. Like all the long downs - and who can argue with Jim Backus. GREEN works for me.

GAME THEORY - the original nerdcore

jammon 6:51 AM  

Rex, you seem a bit cranky today. Picking on Toto? For shame! I recommend an attitude adjustment...say a week on a Caribbean beach.

Christopher 6:56 AM  

Even if this wasn't a bunch of corny turns of phrases, good lord... the proper names were like the undigested kernels of corn that occasionally festoon my daily output.

Not counting the ones that were easily removed with a fork:

- Last name from Casablanca character (Rick who?)
- Natives of Negev crossed with Pianist Downes
- The initials of a school in Dallas crossed with The founder of 11th century Scholasticism AND half of the name of a guy(?) named Simu who was in a [movie or book or play] I've never heard of
- The obsolete initials of a sports league that merged with another one in the 1970s (even after getting the answer I assumed the B was for "Bowling" until I googled it)... followed by an obscure country singer's last name underneath, and then the first name of the creator of a comic strip I barely remember my grandmother (RIP) enjoying. DIK!
- Oh, look, another Casablanca character!

And more downer downs:

- Proper name of a Canadian country star
- (Partially noted above) One of the Leewards, guessable with the acrosses -- except one of them is the Dik who created "High and Lois". Isn't there a St. Maartens or something like that in the Caribbean?
- Physicist Schrödinger is obviously Erwin or Erwon or or Erwen or Erwyn or Erwqn, but you'll never really know for sure because... another country singer?
- Dennis's sister on "It's Always Sunny..."

This was a double flusher, and I was so relieved when I was done.

mbr 7:10 AM  

@GILL.I: Your post reminded me of my French classes in college, where my teacher chose to play records (Charles Aznavour, Mireille Mathieu) in lieu of having grammar lessons or attempts at conversation with her students. At the time, Mireille Mathieu was a regular guest on the Tom Jones variety show, so I was somewhat familiar with her, but not Edith Piaf's music. The MM album my teacher played was all Edith Piaf songs, which I learned to love along with anything & everything sung by Aznavour. Those classes were the primary reason I also learned to love France and, in retirement, now spend half the year in Provence and the other half in Manhattan. So thank you for accidentally bringing back that memory from (OMG) over 50 years ago. You were lucky to have been able to spend time in Villefranche at 16.

SouthsideJohnny 7:21 AM  

I was in the “easy/medium“ camp as I was solving it, and then the lower part of the central region turned into a real buzz saw on me. There’s a lot there to digest like WICCA, CORBIN, ERWIN, DIDION, OVUM, MIO, DIK . . . That’s a lot of real estate filled with junk in such a small neighborhood.

Still don’t get the clue for ACE (Big diamond?) - I see the question mark but am drawing a blank on it. Keep thinking of the BIG UNIT who was definitely an ACE on the DIAMOND (I still feel bad for that bird that crossed paths with one of his fastballs).

Andy Freude 7:25 AM  

LMTR. An appropriate day for dad jokes, don’t you think? Tons of PPP that I didn’t know but somehow got, despite the unfair crosses that others have pointed out. On the whole, plenty of Sunday fun.

I also had a lazy high school French teacher who played records much of the time. In my case, Claudine Longet. Ugh. What’s the French term for no-talent non-singer?

Ruth F 7:30 AM  

I really appreciate that the themers are all dad jokes and it’s Fathers Day.

mmorgan 7:31 AM  

TOTO TOO is definitely a thing, due to the way Glinda says it. I’ve used it that way for many decades! It’s in the Hall of Fame of movie quotes. And Rex should go to St Martin sometime, both the French and Dutch sides.

I think this is one of the best Sundays I’ve seen in ages, really liked it!

Lewis 7:35 AM  

Ah, back to normalcy, a themed Sunday, to the joy of those who decried last Sunday’s themeless offering.

Two words to the constructor: The Cycle. You are one day short of hitting it, Joe, that is, of having a NYT puzzle published every day of the week, even after your 137 NYT puzzles. That day is Tuesday. You can do it, Joe!

Regarding your puzzle today, I loved the wordplay in the theme answers, that switch in meaning of common phrases. Indeed, DOUBLE TAKE could have served as a reveal as well as a theme answer. I loved the variety in the puzzle's answer set. And I loved the PuzzPair© of MANTA and LIOTTA.

Thus, a most lovely outing. Thank you so much, Joe, for making this!

AC 7:51 AM  

Wasn't enjoying it and finally quit at the Musk reference. What a bore of a puzzle, and seeing him made it even worse.

Weezie 7:54 AM  

As a proud member of the pro-dad joke contingent, I really enjoyed this puzzle. All those three-letter words helped temper the long answers in other places. There were a few writeovers and spots I had to come back to, but it was a really whooshy Sunday on the whole, especially once the theme clicked into place. Fwiw, GREENCARS is fine by me.

I found it fun considering phrases in the theme through the lens of the double entendres. And I enjoyed all the other cutely clever cluing - “‘I’ lift?” was a fave. The puzzle was a bit heavy on PPP, especially brands, and the CORWIN/ERWIN cross was a teensy bit Naticky, but there was so much to like about the puzzle that I’ll give those parts a pass.

Re: learning language through song: I spent a college semester abroad in Pune, India, and was the standout Hindi student (in part because I was out using it when I wasn’t in class). But I didn’t keep up with it, and so now nearly 20 years later (!, I know I’m young by the commentariat’s standards but that still makes me feel old), I can barely count to ten. But, I remember every word of “We Shall Overcome” in Hindi. Weird parlor trick at best, but l really think every language class should use music and film as a core part of the curriculum. Something sticks different when you get a sense of the language embedded in the culture from which it comes.

Anyway, Happy Father’s Day to the dads and granddads out there, and sending care to everyone for whom today might be challenging for whatever reason.

SouthsideJohnny 7:54 AM  

Ok, the ACE of Diamonds just dropped by and bludgeoned me over the head. Duh ! Probably one of the top five easiest clues of the year and it sailed right over my head.

Anonymous 8:10 AM  

I had trouble with Blanketrecommdation. If I had written it down with pen and paper and would have probably been able to spell it. Alas my spelling skills have gone the way of the dinosaur since texting and spell check came into my life

Rmk 8:18 AM  

I'm afraid there is a spelling error in this puzzle.

STOLLEN

Dr.A 8:25 AM  

You made me laugh but I don’t agree this time. Liked it! Though the answers were super cute. I guess my idea of humor is not as erudite as yours!!! But your write up is always amusing.

pabloinnh 8:44 AM  

Got the "cents" "sense" connection about where OFL did and had a similar increased appreciation for what was going on. I'm in the "liked it" camp, because it had a nice tight theme, and because it had Dad jokes on Father's Day, just for me, I'm thinking.

And TOTOTOO? Love it. On my list of favorite movies ever.

Got ANSELM off the A. All the candidates who come to NH put in an appearance at St. ANSLEM's College to make speeches and bloviate, which I realize is redundant. I have been to a performance in the auditorium where this all takes place. There are aisles on the left and right and about thirty seats across the center. If you're stuck in the middle you might as well stay there, unless disturbing lots of seated people is your idea of a good time.

Agree with those recommending songs for language learning. I can still sing songs I learned in Spain more than fifty years ago, back when Spain won the Eurovision Contest with "La la la". Good times.

Hey @Roo- no Pablos, but a Paul. One for me.

Very pleasant Sunday, JDP. Just Didn't Please everyone, I guess, but it was aces with me, and thanks for all the fun.

JD 8:46 AM  

Liked this a lot more than most Sundays, many of which I walk away from out of boredom. Game Theory was the gimme with a few crosses and eventually the spark that lit up the rest of themers. Oddly, John Nash has been brought to mind a few times in the past couple of months. Don't remember why. The movie about him, A Beautiful Mind, took a lot of creative license (having nothing to do with this puzzle, just saying).

Final hurdle was the And/Deli/Anselm/SMU/Liu traffic jam in Natick. The Y in Yucatan was diabolical.

Mr. Grumpypants 8:48 AM  

Bad puns, bad fill, bad clues. What a 127A of space.

egsforbreakfast 9:08 AM  

Who is ABI TODD, and why is she somewhat off?

They say that when MRMET met Mrs. Met, a real CATCH, it was kismet.

While Dorothy was busy melting the witch, TOTOTOO was going TOETOTOE with the flying monkeys.

Is LANCEITO the diminutive of Lance?

I liked this because dad jokes. Also, a fair amount of whooshing. Thanks for the nice start to Father’s Day, Joe DiPietro.

Gary Jugert 9:27 AM  

At some point the list of proper nouns became overwhelming and the theme wasn't enough fun to keep me intrigued, so I finished with a not untypical "glad that's over" feeling on another Sunday.

Let's point it out: This is either lazy puzzle writing and editing, or "let's make this a trivia fest." Either way, there's way too much of this:

People: MRMET, BLAINE, SABRAS, LIOTTA, ANSELM, Musk, LIU, OTT, CORBIN, ARP, DIK, DIDION, ILSA, LORNE, PAUL ANKA, SHEIK, MCENROE, John Cleese, ECKO, ERWIN, OWENS, MAGOO, DEE, LANCE ITO, LARA.

Places: Arran, CHAD, NEB, STMARTIN, SALEM, Westwood Brentwood Hollywood.

Corporations: TESLA, ABA, CNET, TD BANK, NRA, MTA, SMU, EDYS.

Yuck: NEOCON ... what evs.

Uniclues:

1 The belief you should arrive at the Rex Parker blog to bitch about the puzzle you're already grumbling over in your head.
2 Talkin' like a southerner.

1 DOUBLE TAKE GAME THEORY
2 AMUSED, TWANGS STOLEN

Anonymous 9:34 AM  

I liked the theme, but some of the fill was brutal. Sabras, Lance Ito, Dik, Corbin, Paul Anka, and Lara were all unknowns. Had to suss out a lot of mistakes in those to get to the finish line. Surely there are ways to avoid fill like that.

RooMonster 9:49 AM  

Hey All !
Tough in different areas. NW springs to mind. Started to Goog for stuff I flat out didn't know, after spending too much time staring at blank Squares. Another example is the ANSELM/SMU/LIU lash-up.

Cool idea, thinking Joe used most, if not all, synonyms for OPINION. (Haven't looked up "synonyms for OPINION" yet, though.) So, a nice one that way.

Still had a DNF, as had CAsES for CAFES, leaving me with the head scratching CORE BELIEs. Also had a Z at the S of ALTS/SABRAS, but managed to get that changed before I hit Check Puzzle and it was crossed out. Got a chuckle out of my mistake, always lamenting the poor fate of the F, then leaving it out. Irony? FE-ony? 😁

Got another chuckle out of that TOTO TOO/TOE TO TOE Cross. Wowzers. But, the Downs there are long, and also cross Three Themers! So to get any semblance of clean fill is remarkable, and Joe did a marvelous job of it. Fill everywhere was good.

How many four letter words are there for "Small valley"? GLEN, DALE, DELL, VALE. Sheesh. Makes me want to utter some other four letter words.

Realized today I didn't know Schrodinger's first name. ERWIN. I'm sure I'll forget it the next time I need it.

OK, enough outta this DORK. See ya.

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:52 AM  

I had STMARTEN quickly and I’m not a comics person so DEK Browne looked totally plausible to me. Only after going clue by clue at the end to find my error did I decide to try STMARTIN/DIK. Stupid PPP crosses. See also LARA/SABRAS, which at least is guessable. What sort of name is DIK anyway?

bocamp 9:54 AM  

Thx, Joe; well done! 😊

Med.

Seems to me Joe's theme could be taken two ways: 1) my two 'cents' worth, and 2) my 'sense' of…

'Twas all good, except for a dnf at the DIDION / MIO cross. Had an 'a' in lieu of the 'O'. No excuse; I came across a Joan DIDION book a couple of days ago; I should know how to sp her name. Problem is (happens all too often), that I dropped MIa in with only an inkling of spidey/kealoa sense, and failed (once again) to make a note to revisit it, taking into acct the cross.

Nevertheless, a fine puz, and worthwhile adventure! :)
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Stella's Sat. Stumper was med. I covered (with my thumb) the one cell I had left (at the cross of the 'score' / 'banner'), then hit reveal to confirm I had the rest of the puz right (which I did); then, a slip of said thumb (it was an honest slip, honestly! ok, maybe it was Freudian) and the letter was revealed, depriving me of the opportunity to employ @jae's 'stirring' method, and then, if necessary, the 'incubation'/@TAB2TAB's 'percolation' combo. We'll never know. It was a tricky cross (akin to yd's AYE), but very gettable. Unfortunately, gotta take the dnf, and discipline the errant thumb. 🙃
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Colin 9:56 AM  

@RooMonster: You and I think alike, with CASES in bookstores!

SharonAK 10:04 AM  

When the phrase "Dad Jokes" ceases to exist the world will be a better place.
Where did it come from and what does it mean?
The way it is used reminds me of the 60's and early 70's when teens picked up on the term "redneck" and applied it to whomever or whatever they didn't like at the time.
And of the way mother-in-laws were once the butt of every second joke from comedians.

Agree the poppa especially obscure. Liked the themers. Clever

SimonSays 10:04 AM  

The puzz seemed like a throwback to better times (?) so I liked it.
Weezie @7:54. Speaking of We Shall Overcome, just finished the new King biography, and it’s hard to decide if times are better? An excellent book and a nice complement to Juneteenth.

Alice Pollard 10:08 AM  

more Medium for me, but finished no errors and no cheats. I remember LANCEITO very well, he was in the news every day in the OJ era. ST MARTINS I knew but I have always seen it as Maarten’s. DaLe/DELL was my only write over. ABITODD was a bit wordy, but thats a small gripe. I really enjoyed the puzzle.... it took me longer than usual. But I am not a speed demon and always take my time anyway. With hardcopy and using a pen I kind of make sure it’s “Correct” before entering. Anyone else pause at STOIC/STaId?Not really synonyms, but still. Nice to see Mr MAGOO. a real blast from my past.

RooMonster 10:27 AM  

@Colin
👍
CORE BELIES sounds like something...

RooMonster More CASES In Book Stores Than CAFES. 😁

Nancy 10:28 AM  

Once again, I offer my usual TAKE, THEORY, OPINION and BELIEF about a l-o-o-n-g Sunday puzzle that's laden with ephemeral and utterly forgettable proper names and other PPP:

Who are all these people and what are they doing in my puzzle?

Nor was there anything in the theme to arouse my curiosity, tickle my funny bone or in any other way propel me through the overall dreariness. I think I've liked many of this constructor's puzzles in the past -- though I don't really remember -- but this wasn't one of them. Wondering why I bothered to finish.

Anonymous 10:36 AM  

I got confused as well and I'm a bridge player. Never got it.

KnittyContessa 10:41 AM  

@SouthsideJohnny you are not alone! I could not figure out the ACE clue either. Thanks for clearing it up for me!

Liveprof 10:47 AM  

My French teacher in high school, Mr. Rosenthal, was very funny. So it was perfectly fine that I didn't learn any French. Once, in class, a student was writing on the board, and it was very much slanted upwards. After three lines or so, Mr. Rosenthal said: Tommy, maybe it would help if you put a book under your left foot.

Anonymous 10:50 AM  

Had a DNF because of DIScENTING crossing cOWS EAR mistake.

Mr. Cheese 11:06 AM  

I miss @LMS. Don’t you?

Carola 11:14 AM  

Easy, liked it. I thought the repurposed meanings of the first words in some of the theme phrases were very good: SAGE ADVICE, BLANKET RECOMMENDATION, and DOUBLE TAKE, where TAKE (I think) also has a double meaning, "opinion" and "movie shot." I solved the puzzle going down the right side, so I had the "opinion" synonyms before their wordplay modifiers and enjoyed trying to guess those with as few letters as possible. I agree with @Rex that this theme didn't reach a "wacky" level, but I didn't think that was the point here. I found it engaging all the way.

beverly c 11:29 AM  

My biggest smile came from TOTO TOO. I just hear the way she says that line in my head, so musical!
I'm a big fan of the theme. Yay! An amusing theme!

It’s true the PPP made this puzzle more difficult, but in spite of everything I solved it. So Yay! for crosses and lucky guesses.

I agree with @SharonAK 10:04 that the “Dad Joke” slur is misplaced and tired. First, it's Father’s Day! And “sophisticates” can scoff, but folks who make corny jokes are demonstrating humility - which is not a bad thing. In our current culture it’s brave.

Ken Freeland 11:56 AM  

well said!

thefogman 12:00 PM  

Help me out here. I just don’t get the double meaning of 94A: DISSENTINGOPINION. I get the straight phrase but I don’t get the punny one. How do you get “Being contrarian is fun?”.

Joseph Michael 12:12 PM  

I’d offer my two cents about this puzzle, but it wouldn’t make it past the moderators.

thefogman 12:13 PM  

It’s okay. I get it now. Kind of subtle…

Kate Esq 12:17 PM  

I didn’t mind the theme (Dad Jokes seem appropriate for Father’s Day!) but the fill felt so choppy to me - all those 3 letter words around the edges! Lots of (to me) obscure trivia. I had NY Met for MR MET, never heard of Marc ECKO, or Lara DOWNES, or SABRAS, or ANSELM or Easton CORBIN, and have no clue why GIS use PX (or what PX is). I have heard of Hi and Lois but have no clue who draws it (had Nik Instead of DIK) for a bit. And I consider myself a reasonably well-read person - Trivia is usually my strong suit.

I did appreciate the pairings in the puzzle - Rick BLAINE and ILSA Lund, SHORT CIRCUIT and RAN ITS COURSE, and of course TOTO TOO and TOE TO TOE which actually got a chuckle out of me - much more fun than the themers!

Robin 12:26 PM  

The clueing wasn't necessarily a gimme unless you live in or near Boston, but TD BANK is a thing. I've walked by one in NYC on the way to work for the past 14 years. Previously that location was a Commerce Bank, which had a big footprint in the NYC area. TD Banknorth bought up Commerce in 2008 and then renamed itself as TD BANK.

TD BANK has very little footprint in NYS west of the Hudson, so Rex could be excused for not having seen one.

My first guess on a Boston venue name, before looking at the grid and seeing how many letters and if I had any crosses filled in yet, was something to do with Prudential. But I guess that arena is in Newark.

Ct2napa 12:30 PM  

When you are in Napa, visit the Napa Bookmine, which just opened their new bookstore with a cafe.

Joe Dipinto 12:32 PM  

"Toto too!" In its puzzle debut! It's been an oft-quoted, oft-parodied movie line for years and I think it's perfectly crossworthy.

I didn't notice an overabundance of proper names while I was solving this, but now that I look at it there are quite a lot. I guess because I knew most of them it didn't register. LARA, LIU, and CORBIN were unfamiliar but none caused problems.

I usually like my near-namesake's puzzles, and this was no exception, but it fell slightly short of his best ones, imo. Some of the theme clues could have been funnier.

@TheFogman – Dissenting = being contrarian. The speaker of the clue is opining that the act of dissenting is fun.

Anonymous 12:32 PM  

I too paused at STOIC/STaId and finally went with STOIC. Another pause for me was ABITODD/ABITOlD, as in food past its use-by date (too old) beginning to go bad. Finally got that one right as well.

Tom P 12:42 PM  

OK, contrarians are those who do a lot of dissenting and seem to enjoy it, so they probably have the opinion that being a contrarian is fun.

I normally skip Sundays, but I dug into this one and ended up digging it more than Rex, but that's probably because I don't mind dad jokes.

Tom P 12:47 PM  

Come to think of it, dad jokes seem especially appropriate for Father's Day!

Chip Hilton 12:51 PM  

ST.MARTIN: French side, St. Maarten: Dutch side, where the international airport is (and what a hoot it is with gigantic jets skimming over a beach to reach the runway). French side features wonderful cuisine and some great beaches. I’d highly recommend. I enjoyed the puzzle. Thought the themes were kind of cute.

Masked and Anonymous 12:57 PM  

M&A's 2 cents: TOTOTOO/TOETOTOE was definitely a hi-lite.

staff weeject pick: TAI. I must admit to be totally sushi-ignorant. Do know my cinnamon rolls and pizza, tho. On our recent 2000-mile road trip, we enjoyed re-visitin two primo, long-admired, pizza places. One where my daddy used to work as a bartender in his later years … and Happy Fathers Day, dad.

Theme was pretty solid, and slightly dad-joke humorous. Sooo … OK.

Hardest name-them-names spot at our house: CHAD/LARA/SABRAS/ALTS. Easiest: MRMET/MCENROE.

Thanx for the tasty well-done Red Snapper SunPuz, Mr. DiPietro dude.

Masked & Anonym007Us [@kitshef: The U-counts is back! har]


**gruntz**

Aelurus 1:29 PM  

Loved the TOTO TOO/TOE TO TOE cross! Such synergistic fun with just three letters! The whole is indeed greater than the sum of its parts. Also, of course...fun to say!

And MR MET. The small stuffed dolls sometimes given out on fan appreciation day at the well-remembered and sadly missed Shea Stadium. We were there at Game 6 of the 1986 World Series when at the bottom of the 10th inning joyful pandemonium broke out after midnight, and the Mets were able to go on to play and win Game 7. Nicely placed above CATCH (i.e., Buckner’s lack thereof) next to GAME THEORY (there were so many the next day).

Thank you, Joe DiPietro!

Anonymous 1:36 PM  

Guessing it is the Ace of Diamonds?

Bob Mills 1:36 PM  

I just solved it as a themeless, because the "two cents" revealer didn't reveal anything to me. But it was good to finish it cleanly, in the newspaper itself instead of on-line.

Sheila R 2:25 PM  

No one seemed to have my problem with the SW corner. I got stuck with “core values” but knew “bike tures” couldn’t be right. I also wasn’t sure that Nev was the correct state but just couldn’t think of another state. Duh!

jb129 2:44 PM  

I usually get the hard copy of the magazine section on Sunday but today I didn't. While I sometimes do the Monday - Saturday puzzles on- line (though I still prefer paper - stuck in my ways, I guess), this was quite an enjoyable experience (the actual puzzle & on-line solving Sunday).

This was a lot of fun, Joe - thanks! And I loved "Toto too"







Gary Jugert 2:55 PM  

@Masked and Anonymous 12:57 PM
And where have you been?

Joe Dipinto 3:30 PM  

Just in case you need a reminder

Anonymous 3:33 PM  

I agree. I play canasta every week, and the card angle didn’t even occur to me.

CDilly52 3:41 PM  

Sometimes OFL just makes me laugh out loud at his frustration with something he has simply never encountered, like an ICEBOAT (and he’s up by the Finger Lakes??!!) and being surprised and even a bit put out that indeed it is very much a”thing.” Holy cow, the ICE BOAT races across from the UP to mainland Michigan are amazing, not to mention the many fishermen and women up north who travel by ICE BOAT to fish throughout the entire year. For me, learning new things is one of my favorite parts of solving. And today, solve I did.

I had such a great connection to our able constructor’s wavelength. I usually get along fairly well with Joe Dipietro, but today was special and I went smoothly through most of this puzzle. I even got the theme right off the bat. And I liked it.

This is the kind of Sunday puzzle with solid fill, a workable and very consistent theme, some excellent wordplay (one of Joe D’s strengths, in my opinion) and enough resistance to make me work for the happy music. So I’m old and I like the way this puzzle is organized so that most of the time the solver knows exactly what day it is. It’s the NYTXW and that’s what it does. I do lots and lots of other puzzles and enjoy their special hallmarks as well. Especially for the NYT though, I appreciate the predictability (mostly).

I’m sure it goes all the way back to my first year or two solving when Gran was teaching me the ropes. “Remember it’s Thursday,” she’d say when something just didn’t “fit”. “Remember the name for putting extra letters or a picture in a square?” Or on Sunday afternoon, “Let’s get started; it’s a big one with lots of really long answers. Let’s see what the theme is.” Monday became my favorite. Until we started solving together (well, she solved and tolerated my “help”) she would do Monday after lunch, but once I became like the proverbial tick on a dog, she saves all the weekdays until after dinner so I could first watch and before long actually know an answer or two! Anyway, I felt like such an “insider” to know that each day had its own puzzle category - mostly. This is a classic Sunday puzzle. I really enjoyed it.

And I got stuck down in the SE. My big goof was putting condO in at 90A. The “you stay here” made me think of maps with the “you are here” star for way finding so, I just thought it was a bit of cleverness afoot and thought type of dwelling rather than a direction to another person. It didn’t last long but put the brakes on a very whooshy solve for a bit. The fact that all the tough spots had such fair crosses made the solve fun. I was never frustrated but I did have to work through a number of places.

Consistent, very “Sunday Times” theme, artfully executed. Some humor, not too many names and fair crosses. Can’t ask for anything more of this puzzle. Others do their thing, and I enjoy them, but the NYTXW has such a special place in my heart and I do enjoy especially a Sunday that fits the traditional NYT mold. I felt my dear Gran sitting in her green chair right beside me today. A very special solve.





Masked and Anonymous 3:58 PM  

@Gary Jugert: Day-um. Well, we went to lotsa places, but one of the hi-lites was that there state that TOTO got to go back to, TOO. Really enjoyed a fancy French restaurant and also the Truman Library/Museum, while in them there parts. Also stayed at a primo bed & breakfast mansion out in the Flint Hills that was built in the 1800's. They had a lotta M&A's fave kind of mints.
But the best of all parts was re-unitin with relatives and old friends, along the way. Hadn't seen some of em in ages, unthanx to the good ol COVID bug.
Also was nice that our trusty old 2007 van survived the trip, without any problems. That sucker has been to just about every continental state in the union, now. Just needs to score Utah & Alaska.

@Joe Dipinto: Nice Oz trip reminder. I seem to recall the wicked witch also promisin [not-good] stuff for Dorothy "and your little dog, TOO", or somesuch. All them good/bad witches wanted to keep TOTO in the plot mix.

M&Also

Anonymous 4:26 PM  

Thank you!!!

Anonymous 4:27 PM  

It’s a TWO-fer ! Thank you!!

jae 4:41 PM  

For future reference DIK Browne also created xword friendly Hagar The Horrible. SNERT anyone?

Anoa Bob 4:54 PM  

I finished the whole thing so that is a de facto "Liked it" for me. Got the "two cents" synonyms early on but it wasn't until much later that I picked up on the second half of the theme, the reversal of the phrase meaning. I think it was when CORE BELIEF went from a deeply held BELIEF to a BELIEF about the CORE of an apple. Nice.

I went through a professional wrestling or rassling phase about the time The Iron SHEIK (46D) was a head liner. This was not long after the Iranians overthrew the Shah and imprisoned the U.S. Embassy personnel, so The Iron Sheik was a bad guy par excellence.

He did a routine where he hoisted two heavy "Persian Clubs" repeatedly over his head and then would challenge his opponent to match his feat. It would usually end in Professional Wrestling style, that is to say hilariously. Here's a 3 1/2 minute YouTube video that illustrates what I mean. I just saw that he passed away this June 7 at age 81. RIP Iron Sheik.

Captain Lou, Captain Lou Albano 5:35 PM  

The Iron Sheik is perhaps the greatest professional wrestler to ever hail from Iran. It’s good to see him finally getting the recognition that he deserves from the masses and it’s even more special to see him being embraced and welcomed by the New York Times crossword community.

Now, if we could only elevate the great George “The Animal” Steele to a similar status. For those who are not familiar with his body of work, he was not only a great wrestler, but he enjoyed eating the turnbuckle for dessert. What a talent.

Joe Dipinto 6:46 PM  

@M&A – For you

dgd 7:55 PM  

Some of these answers frequently appear in crosswords: crosswordese. Long time solvers often get them immediately. So crosswordese is not obscure for them. Shortz seems to agree. Part of learning to do the Times puzzle. Sabra is one. Hasn’t been around lately but over the years very often. (Here you do have to know the Negev Desert is in Israel but I don’t think that is arcane knowledge). Ilsa is a frequent flyer , because very useful for constructors. SMU is another one still used often so definitely NOT obscure. Blaine is admittedly more obscure. Being one of the most famous movies for boomers and older probably makes it generational. I’m a boomers. Blaine popped into my head. The NBA/ABA merger is another one. As is Dik. The latter has been used a lot. If you do the Times puzzle you gotta accept boomer common knowledge!
St. Martin is not that obscure. Popular Caribbean vacation spots are fair game. That’s what Rex implied As he pointed out, St. Maartens is the Dutch name for the same island.
Your complaints are balanced by boomers screaming about hip hop/ rap names.

Anonymous 8:45 PM  

I’ll join the chorus of fans who enjoyed Toto too. Funny what Rex doesn’t know in the world of classic movies, especially given how often he invokes, cites, alludes to otherwise uses TCM in this blog.

As for Toronto Dominion bank —AKA TD bank— being obscure, as the puzzle has recently asked us several times, puhlease.

snibbon 1:34 AM  

I'm so with you on being frustrated by all these proper names. I'm not a decades-long NYT crossword solver, but I've been doing this for a few years and most of them did not feel like common crosswordese to me.

It is really interesting how those clear references to people can make a puzzle very easy or very difficult depending on your level of familiarity. It's either a gimme or feels 100% impossible.

Anonymous 5:48 AM  

Totally agree. Imagine cluing sperm that way.

Anonymous 8:35 AM  

Can anyone explain “and” being the answer for “Y” like Yucutan?

johnk 12:22 PM  

Y is AND in Spanish, which is spoken in the Yucatan.

Anonymous 6:06 PM  

Why is “Y”as in Yucatán = AND ?

Paula 5:41 PM  

Me too! I almost stopped working on the puzzle when I got to "ovum" being clued as having human potential. Not cool in the post-women-might-actually-be-autonomous-humans-whose-bodies-are-their-own stage of the game.

Anonymous 10:13 PM  

Thank you for that!

Anonymous 12:06 AM  

This is so gratifying. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got the ultracreeps

Anonymous 12:09 AM  

The word "and" in Spanish is simply the letter "y" so sal y limón (salt and lime), perros y gatos (dogs and cats) etc.

PatKS 9:03 PM  

I only got stuck at Easton Corbin. Who TF is that? Still never heard of him/her or that song. One hit wonder? #ugh

kitshef 10:13 PM  

Pretty easy. Perhaps would have been better as a daily puzzle with fewer themers? A couple felt forced.

Anonymous 9:39 AM  

Why? Exactly why?

spacecraft 12:34 PM  

Single-letter DNF: 107. First of all 105 across NEO_ON has no discernable connection to the clue whatsoever. So for me, that missing letter could be ANYTHING. Down? What, IMO, is a bookstore more likely to have? A cafe or a safe? well, cafe didn't even OCCUR to me. I mean, is it a bookstore or a place to eat?? Never was in one that had one. OTOH, any store is likely to have a safe, and bookstores maybe more so, for super-rare editions etc. This intersection is grossly unfair. And what, if anybody knows, does NEOCON have to do with moving left to right???

Casablanca mini-theme with BLAINE and ILSA. Oh well, we'll always have Paris.

Wordle bogey. Not my best day.

Anonymous 6:13 PM  

NEOCON is a very common term, meaning new conservative, plus, most bookstores these days have cafes where you can sit and read while having a cup of coffee, and perhaps a bite of something. I go to bookstores all the time, and have done so for decades.

Cross@words 12:08 PM  

Hey, everyone (ofl included) — International Baseball Association was the post merger name adopted in 1976. This allows understanding Big diamond? to refer to ICE.

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