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Thursday, June 29, 2023

Constructor: Simeon Seigel

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: EXCHANGING RINGS (37A: Sharing in a symbol of commitment ... or what four rows in this puzzle are doing to form new phrases) — if you "exchange" (i.e. swap) the two "rings" (i.e. circled letters) in each row that has them, and then mentally reparse the row (i.e. move the black square), you get four new phrases:

Theme answers:
  • HORNET / RAISERS => HORSE TRAINERS
  • GRAVE / LATENCY => TRAVEL AGENCY
  • PITCH IN / GHOST => HITCHING POST
  • BILLETS / LAPPER => BALLET SLIPPER
Word of the Day: FASCIA (30A: Sheath of connective tissue) —
nounfasciaplural nounfasciasnounfaciaplural nounfaciasplural nounfasciae
  1. 1. 
    detachable covering for the front part of a mobile phone.
  2. 2. 
    a wooden board or other flat piece of material such as that covering the ends of rafters.
    "a further piece of chipboard acts as a fascia to disguise the ceiling fixtures"
  3. 3. 
    BRITISH
    the dashboard of a motor vehicle.
    "the interior boasts a Mercedes-like fascia"
  4. 4. 
    ANATOMY
    a thin sheath of fibrous tissue enclosing a muscle or other organ. 
    "the diagnosis of Dupuytren's contracture is usually very easy because the palmar fascia is obviously thickened" (google / Oxford Languages)
• • •

Well this is definitely a better-than-average use of circles in a puzzle, I'll say that. My first thought on looking at this grid, with its array of completely disconnected circles was "Uh oh. What dumb message are these going to spell out?" But then I dove in and promptly ignored the circles. Completely. Because I could. They have absolutely nothing, zero, nada to do with actually solving the puzzle. They spell nothing intelligible. HATSPING? PHASTING? STAPHING? PHANGIST? Nope. Nothing. The circles don't explain the theme—the theme explains the circles. That is, the revealer explains them. If the MUSTACHE puzzle earlier in the week gave us a revealer that essentially did nothing (i.e. only told us what we already knew), today's revealer does absolutely everything. The theme is unintelligible without it. Is this better? Probably. But still, it had nothing at all to do with the solve. From a pure solving perspective, this is an easyish themeless puzzle. It's just got the little trick at the end. And I like the trick—it's really clever. But as a themeless, this is just OK (I mean, compared to real themelesses of the kind you see on Fri. and Sat.—the ones with grids that are genuinely sparkly precisely because they are Not encumbered by a theme). It's not a bad grid, but it's mostly just something to get through. The puzzle's real reason for being only becomes apparent post-solve. Well, that is, unless you actually stopped after getting the revealer and tried to figure out what was happening mid-solve—but even then, I can't see how knowing the gimmick would have any effect at all on the remainder of the solve. The answers in the grid are still just ... answers in the grid. So there's a nice surprise waiting at the end of this one (or whenever you decide to look back and see how the revealer works) but the theme is disconnected from the solving process in a way that I always find mildly dissatisfying. It's like you made a puzzle so you could do a little wordplay magic trick. It's a neat trick. But I came here primarily for the solving experience, not the after show.


I'm underselling a bit how impressed I am by the trick, though. It's a bit of a double trick because nowhere does the revealer indicate that you'd have to mentally move the black square in order to make sense of the row, post-exchange. I mentally exchanged the rings in each row and just squinted confusedly until I got to HITCHIN GPOST. "Well, that kind of looks / sounds like 'hitching post' but ... ohhhhhh ... we have to move the black square!? Why didn't you say so? OK ... OK, that's pretty cool. That's an extra layer, for sure." I don't love how detached the theme is from the solving experience, but I do appreciate that the reveal is an actual reveal and not some totally sad let-down. Two things, though. First, where weddings are concerned, I think of "exchanging" as something done first and foremost with VOWS. Rings are definitely exchanged, so there's nothing wrong here ... it's just ... there's something odd about an "exchange" phrase not even being the most important "exchange" phrase in its specific wedding context. As I type this, I realize that this isn't a complaint at all, just a weird thing my brain is doing, calculating that most people, presented with the sentence "In a wedding ceremony, you exchange ___" would fill in the blank with VOWS. But maybe they wouldn't. And it obviously doesn't matter because the gimmick works as is so who cares? Well, tell that to my brain, is what I say. I also say that LAPPER is comically terrible as an answer, and gets a pass solely because it's doing real thematic work. In any other context, absolutely not. My cats lap water everyday, and of all the things I call them (and I call them more things than I could begin to list for you) I have never not once called either of them a LAPPER. Though now I'll probably start. Today. This morning. Because brain. 


The solve itself started hard, as solves often do, with lots of misdirection in the initial (i.e. NW) clues—[Runs through], [Catch, in way], ["Notorious" initials]—that last once may have been obvious to you, but my first thought for ["Notorious" initials] is always going to be B.I.G. (from the rapper whose name was the basis of the late Supreme Court justice's own moniker). I also didn't know the trivia up there. Blanked on SOFIA as a place (I can't remember the last time I heard Bulgaria referred to ... anywhere. I had to look it up just now to make sure it was still a country). TRUTV is always a shrug. Forgot HORNETS were genus Vespa, if I ever knew it. But once I got out of there, the puzzle got easier. Tail ends of the long Downs were elusive to me. I've somehow never heard of a BELLY BAND, so BAND required crosses. And as for SCRAP PILE ... OK, but the phrase I know is SCRAP HEAP (32D: Heap of junk). And then maybe SCRAP YARD? PILE never occurred to me until crosses forced the issue. SEA CABIN is ... what is that? That's something an overstuffed wordlist coughed up. "Emergency quarters?" If you say so. Nothing about that phrase really screams "emergency," but OK. Funny (sorta) to see LLANO so shortly after having seen LLANERO in the puzzle (when was that, earlier this week?—no, late last week, on Friday). I thought the clue on RAN WITH IT was clunky (19D: Reacted purposefully when handed "the ball"), but that is a great answer, and a great answer to have ... running ... through the middle of the grid. I don't love this puzzle enough to BEAR HUG it, but I do admire several of its features for sure. See you tomorrow.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. In [America's first vice, so to speak] (ADAMS) the "vice" refers to "vice ... president." You really have to abuse the language to make the joke here. No one calls the vice president the "vice." If you're shortening it, it's "Veep." And you don't really "poke" people with a LANCE, but the extreme euphemism is perhaps worth it for the clue's clever card-related misdirection (7D: Old-time poker).

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91 comments:

Wanderlust 6:45 AM  

I got the revealer mid-solve and looked at the first theme row to see what was going on, then ignored it until I finished and looked back at the other theme rows. I agree with Rex that I prefer a theme that you use in the solve, but this was still pretty nice. I also agree that it wasn’t a great themeless because of answers like COALER (I had COoOLER first), AVIATES and LAPPER. Rex, you can call your cats LAPPERs when they sit on your thighs.

I’ll bet I’m not the only one who wanted x-rATED instead of STATED for “explicit.”

I liked AXED next to SCRAP PILE. They axed me, tossed me on the pile and picked me apart for scraps.

Interesting factoids that I looked up for your erudition: Ligers are bigger than TIGONS, and in fact are the biggest cats in the world, weighing more that either parent. Many are stillborn because the tiger mother’s womb can’t hold such a big baby. (Definitely not a LAPPER.) Tigons, meanwhile, are usually smaller than both parents, and they are less common because people who breed lions and tigers are size queens. Both ligers and tigons like to swim (like their tiger parent but not their lion parent) and are sociable (like their lion parent but not their tiger parent.)

And: SABOTage became an English word in the early 20th century, coming from the French saboter, which means “kick with SABOTs, willfully destroy.” Fun! I am off to Amazon now to order me some sabots. And a BELLY BAND.

Adam12 6:46 AM  

I found the Mideast unsolvable as clued. SEACABIN(?), OKGO(?), BELLYBAND(?), SABOT(?) and RANDOS(?). Unable to parse despite my insomnia.

Anonymous 6:49 AM  

When I solve a puzzle at night I put the NYT app on “dark” mode which saves my wife’s sleep. This time it completely blacked out the circles, so this was incomprehensible when I finished, though I knew something fishy was going on from the revealer. So I read Rex this morning and switched to “light” mode. Bingo, rings! Thanks, Rex!

Anonymous 6:51 AM  

"Exchanging Rings" as a sign of commitment is/was definitely a thing for gay couples, especially before gay marriage was legalized.

SouthsideJohnny 7:13 AM  

I enjoyed not having to parse together a bunch of crosses to come up with a goofy phrase or some other gimmicky theme entry, so the fact that it played like a themeless was a bit of a treat for me today.

I don’t know if anyone else had a similar experience, but this one seemed to have an air of “look how smart I am” about it - in our clues and answers today we get to sift through LIGERS, VESPA, TIGONS, PATAGONIAN, SABOT, FASCIA, DYSPHEMISTICALLY, OKGO, PHASMOPHOBIC, ANGELES . . . Which seemed a little bit like sitting down with a cup of coffee and flipping through an encyclopedia, lol.

Anonymous 7:19 AM  

I actually did do exactly what Rex couldn’t imagine - used the theme to back solve a couple of answers. I had BILLET-SLIPPER, PITCHIN-GHOST and EXCHANGINGRINGS and saw the theme. I also had HORNET and GRAVE and then used the couple of crosses to guess the other circles to get to RAISERS and LATENCY.

COALER and BELLYBAND were a big challenge though, not being familiar with either.

Elision 7:24 AM  

The clue for the revealer didn't say anything about a wedding, it said "sharing in a symbol of commitment." Plenty of people exchange rings without getting married. So I don't buy Rex's complaint about that (which was a complaint, no matter what he says). Also, how many times do you have to explain that you didn't like the fact that the theme was separate from the solving experience? Geesh. We got it the first time.

I thought this was super solid, with the possible exception of LAPPERS.

kitshef 7:24 AM  

Felt like a themeless puzzle with an unnecessary twist that adds difficulty to the construction without adding to the solving pleasure. Or rather, detracts from the solving pleasure by forcing in things like RAISERS, COALER, LAPPER and SEA CABIN.

I did like BEES crossing HORNET. Vespas (the vehicles) were so-named because of their shape, with a narrow waist similar to a wasp. [Note: all hornets are wasps, but not all wasps are hornets.]

Anonymous 7:28 AM  

Two puzzles in one. First, solve the actual puzzle by putting a letter in each square. Then figure out what the heck is going on with the theme once the puzzle was solved. Seems like a theme that’s too clever by half IMO.

Trentiel 7:37 AM  

“Org. supporting the Lovings … “ Nice, accurate, unambiguous clue, thank you!

GAC 7:44 AM  

This is a wonderful puzzle, and I think that Rex really liked it despite his extended efforts to find fault with it. Well. that's his shtick and he is entitled to it. I was unable to figure out how to make sense out of the themers - did not tumble to removing the black squares - and had to come here to find that out. I like to think that if I just spent a bit more time staring at the grid I would get it without assistance. I'll bet a lost of you do that. Kudos to the constructor and the editor.

Andy Freude 7:45 AM  

Hand up for BIG before RBG. TIL that a rapper + a Supreme Court justice = a kealoa.

Anonymous 7:45 AM  

Had trouble getting a foothold in the NW. Had a little more success in the NE, but it wasn’t until I hit the revealer that I started to roll - not because of the theme but because I was able to write it in with just two crosses. There’s a lot of satisfaction in having your first instinct on a grid-spanner prove correct.

The revealer helped me just a little - I suspected a rebus at the rings (initially writing -carT-OON at 24D), but when I saw the swap angle and that only across answers were involved I realized just the T would suffice in that square. I didn’t figure out exactly what was going on until post-solve, and even then it took a beat. Nicely done.

maverick 8:02 AM  

Extremely challenging for a Thursday (40:49). Saturday level cluing with a Wednesday type theme. Maybe I was a bit off, too. But, wish I could have my tricky Thursdays back. (Probably would have loved this on Fri/Sat.)

I definitely used the theme to help me solve as I found it so challenging. Some of those familiar phrases gave me a couple footholds.

Lewis 8:06 AM  

Simeon has a knack for finding language quirks; it’s probably why six of his seven NYT puzzles have been Thursdays. Remember his last offering, where letters were turned 90°, so INNOCENCE, for example, showed up in the grid as HZZOUWZUW?

I love little oddities like this, so I perk up when I see his name atop a puzzle.

About halfway through, I realized that I could probably fill in the grid without figuring out the theme, but where’s the fun in that? So, I stared at the couple of theme rows I had filled in, and smiled inside and out when the conceit hit me. It helped me too, breaking open the NE that was stubbornly resistant.

It’s remarkable enough to find phrases that do this. It’s even more so to turn them into a theme that involves a clever revealer. Making the leap from having a collection of these quirky phrases to the EXCHANGING RINGS motif was brilliant, IMO.

The tricky theme was buttressed by tricky cluing, easily satisfying my brain’s work ethic. I loved [Old time poker] for LANCE, and I smiled when falling once again for thinking of “tower” in [Port tower] as a noun rather than a verb.

I also appreciated the freshness coming from six answers new to the Times puzzle, including BELLY BAND, SCRAP PILE, and the terrific RAN WITH IT.

So, this puzzle pleased me every which way, Simeon, you quirk-meister, you, and thank you for making it – More please!

Megafrim 8:06 AM  

Rex is making me lazy. I solved the puzzle, exchanged the ring letters, didn't see the sense... then, instead of taking the time to figure it out I just thought, "I'll go read Rex, he'll explain it"

Smith 8:06 AM  

Thx @Rex for the explanation. I got as far as swapping the rings in rows and not seeing it, then tried columns...

But otherwise an easy themeless, I guess in my wheelhouse because I whooshed from the getgo. It seemed like every time I thought "could be..." it was, except SHine before SHEEN easily fixed with OGRE and RANG, and myelin (that's lowercase l, capital I, which is how I got there) before FASCIA, more of a mess.

Good for a quick Thursday start!

maverick 8:08 AM  

Yes! That ended up being a real sticking point for me. I tentatively put in r rATED. And was prepared switch to x rATED. Took me longer than it should have to scrap both for STATED.

Anonymous 8:09 AM  

There were a few needlessly confusing clues, but the saddest was the lost opportunity with OK GO, one of the ‘funnest’ music groups around. Check out their videos!

bocamp 8:16 AM  

Thx, Simeon; this one had plenty of SHEEN! 😊

Med.

Pretty much on S.S.'s wavelength today.

Great theme! Took a couple of mins post-solve to RING the bell. Finally, caught on at HORSE TRAINERS.

Fun trip! :)
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Fun_CFO 8:31 AM  

Clue on LANCE is referencing medieval jousting.

I did get the revealer and gimmick mid solve with hitching post. Hung on to B.I.G. way too long, so NW was where I finished with HORNET, but with the RBG fix, HORNET at that fell on its own w/o help from theme.

Surprised Rex didn’t rail on COPCAR. I did chuckle at that row, imagining COPCAR TAG(s) ACLU.

Ok Thursday.

Taylor Slow 8:37 AM  

"But still, it [the theme] had nothing at all to do with the solve. From a pure solving perspective, this is an easyish themeless puzzle," sez Rex, and yeah, exactly, so what's the point of a "theme?" As @kitshef said, it isn't even really a theme--it's a twist on a completed puzzle. And it isn't even clever enough to have produced two-word phrases in both ways, only in the flipped version, unless there's something called a BILLETS LAPPER that I'm not aware of.

So, easy fill (SLR and DOT provided the only pauses) and a "theme" that isn't a theme and is only halfway there.

Another Thursday Thud. Someone, please call Sam Buttrey and see if he's making any progress on his next Thursday puzzle!

Laura 8:50 AM  

The theme had everything to do with the solve, for me. It's a brainless morning and I struggled on the right. Solving the themers gave me key words to finish the puzzle. A new experience for me.

Nancy 8:51 AM  

My heart sank when I saw randomly placed tiny little circles in a Thursday puzzle. I was afraid they'd mean what they mean 99% of the time: You can ignore them completely while solving the puzzle and then, after you've finished, you're supposed to go back and admire the constructor's handiwork.

This kind of puzzle -- one that leaves the solver totally out of the process -- will never excite me. Never. And on a Thursday -- the day that's supposed to challenge and trick me -- it's beyond disappointing. I hardly had to use my little gray cells at all in solving this puzzle.

Is the construction impressive? Yes. Do I care a whit about it? Not a whit.

Bob Mills 8:57 AM  

Got the trick just before finishing the puzzle (with one cheat). I agree that a SEACABIN isn't really an emergency place. I also agree that LANCE is poorly clued. I had the most trouble with the BAKE/OKGO cross.

Looking forward to a non-themed Friday.

Gary Jugert 9:13 AM  

Aw. Those ring exchanges are pretty cute. This puzzle was tough for me. TIGONS, RAISERS, ANGELES, COALER, SEA CABIN, BELLYBAND, and SABOT sure made the northeast feisty.

MERE for "Dismissable" seems like a bit of a stretch. I may have heard of BILLETS before, but it took every single cross.

RANDOS is more sinister in my mind than "odd fellows" implies.

I wrote in LAPPER without crosses and said, "I hope that's wrong."

Years ago I traveled to Bulgaria because I wanted to see parts of the former SSRs before they turned into a shopping malls like East Berlin, and SOFIA was a highlight. Saw a political protest, stayed in the second dirtiest hotel of my life, and bought a Soviet-era medal from a street vendor outside the big Cathedral. Seemed like a sweet little town overall. The best town in Bulgaria was Plovdiv, but those Vs mean it'll be awhile before it is puzzleworthy.

Tee-Hee: BRA.

1 Queens.
2 The feeling you get when locked in a box buried in the ground this might take awhile.
3 The freshly minted aura of being the father of all humanity.
4 One picking things up off the floor rather than knocking them off the shelf.
5 Vergara's lawyer's filing cabinet.

1 HORNET RAISERS
2 GRAVE LATENCY
3 ADAM'S SHEEN
4 PITCH-IN GHOST
5 SOFIA SCRAP PILE

andrew 9:16 AM  

Thought this slog would be eviscerated by cross COGNESCENTI here. But in his verbosity (the first two paragraphs were even more painful than the puzzle), Rex even seems to like it. Hey, Mikey likes it, as the old commercial said.

LAPPERS, OKGO, TIGONS, RUNWITHIT? The suddenly ubiquitous ACLU once again? And no umbrage at SLUR? This is literally a SLUR! Where’s the outrage? (JK, of course. Uh-oh, that’s too close to the dreaded Ms. Rowling name of infamy. After the fact Trigger alert!)

Thursdays are supposed to be challenging, clever and fun to SOLVE. Not oh look, changed a letter and made a new phrase or four. GOSH! Look at my constructing skills!

So I guess this mini-rant is CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, but seems another week without an enjoyable Thursday.
(I must, you must, we all must have a REBUS!)

burtonkd 9:18 AM  

@Trentiel - I thought of you for ACLU

@kitshef: I thought the Vespa name came from the buzzing sound of the motors riding around town. At any rate, that trivia tidbit got me to HORNET, interestingly crossing the Api BEE.

@Elision - it is funny how much real estate on the page is taken up to make one point sometimes. I have listened to podcasts and noticed that two people have been taking turns saying the same thing in slightly different words for 20 minutes. Perhaps there is something additive to each iteration, it is certainly a form of verbal gymnastics. Or, as we sometimes say, "diarrhea of the mouth".

Finished the NW last. The Vespa association finally opened up that section and eliminated B.I.G. Wanted "eats" for grubs, which gave snag for "catch, in a way".

It took almost every cross to get to FASCIA, but then recognized it from plantar fasciitis.

egsforbreakfast 9:36 AM  

I can’t believe that everyone missed the fact that the circled letters can be rearranged to spell SPIT HANG, which is saliva that drips ever so slowly down and off your chin after hocking a loogie out of a car while going over 50 MPH. In the worst instances of SPIT HANG, you may end up EXCHANGERING your clothes. Now do you all see what a wonderful, metaverse this constructor lives in?

Wonderful to see Stanley Kowalski make an appearance. STELLA!!!

Like @Lewis, I love seeing how a devious mind can find ways of twisting language and words. I also agree with many that it wasn’t a real fun solve. But thanks for a cool concept, Simeon Seigel.

Alice Pollard 9:37 AM  

GREAT puzzle Simeon Seigel. True, you didn't really need the theme to solve it. But it did help me as I somehow do not know the word BILLETS. So I backed into that one via “ballet slippers". I agree with Gary about RANDO... it has a one night stand connotation. No real clunky clues. I liked the clue for ADAMS (anyone else read John Adams by David McCullough? highly recommend). ODE seems to be in many puzzles of late. Not that hard of a Thursday, and lots of fun.

RooMonster 9:39 AM  

Hey All !
I admire the skill it took to find real words that can exchange one letter, forming a different phrase, whilst being separated differently. I'm sure not an easy task. But, (why is there always a but?) I couldn't parse mentally the changing of the phrases. The ole brain just swapped the letters, reading the new words as standalones, and promptly told me the Theme didn't make any sense, without delving further. Silly brain. I said, "What is a HORSET?" Good stuff.

Oh well. It was a bit on the tough side. Stuck in every area, though managed to solve in a decent enough ThursPuz time (28 1/2 minutes).

Any reason why there are two circles? Because of RINGS? It still would've worked with a single circle, no?

Fill good, there is more constraint on the grid then what it seems at first glance.

@Lewis has me seeing double! 16 of them today. I believe he says anything over 20 is high, so this falls in the normal space. Yes? No?

HORNET crosses BEES. Neat.

ADIOS, all you ANGELES.

Two F'S
RooMonster
DarrinV

Whatsername 9:41 AM  

*S*i*g*h* Another puzzle with an instruction manual. What @Nancy said.

Sir Hillary 9:55 AM  

I found this to be a pretty tough themeless, not an easy one. Much of the cluing verbosity (dysphemistically, etc.) was lost on me, so I had to back into most of those answers. I avoided the central revealer until the very end, and even after I was done, it took me a good while to figure out what was going on. When I did, it was a nice "aha" moment, so I am less bothered that the solve had nothing to do with the theme.

RANWITHIT is my favorite entry. I also love the clues for ODE, APR and TAG.

I really dislike RAISERS, COALER and LAPPER. One of them would be bad enough, but all three? Yeah I know, two of them are in service of the theme, but still.

Three ERRORs today, each for a different reason.
-- blOod>>>GHOST -- I misread the clue as "plasmophobic".
-- bLUR>>>SLUR -- Equally valid; a nice Schrodinger square.
-- pampa>>>LLANO -- I can't distinguish the two, so I clearly need to bone up on my Argentinian/Chilean topography.

TIGONS and ligers seem creepy to me. Do lions and tigers exist anywhere together in the wild? I genuinely don't know the answer to that, but if not, these crossbreeds must only be ENABLEd by humans...for what purpose exactly? Seems somewhat barbaric, but I suppose that applies to much of animal-based science.

Anonymous 10:09 AM  

Usually I can follow everything in your logic, (or figure it out) but you have me stumped. Where do you find these words within the puzzle : HATSPING? PHASTING? STAPHING? PHANGIST? On vice, I agree it's usually VEEP when talking about leader of country, but I have heard the Vice used often in business speak when referring to second in command. As always, thank you for your daily posts.

LTJG John 10:15 AM  

The Captain’s SEA CABIN is areal thing. It’s a small space adjacent to the bridge on a warship where the Captain can sleep when the ship is under way. Allows him to jump into action quickly when there is an event that requires his immediate presence on the bridge. Otherwise, he would have to be fetched from his fancy Captain’s quarters, which would take many crucial minutes. Saw frequent use of it during 3 years aboard the heavy cruiser USS Saint Paul during the Vietnam war.


Carola 10:21 AM  

Nicely constructed! After having all of the grid filled except for the vexing cluster of T?G?NS, RA??SERS, ?E? CABIN, and C??LER, I used what I'd learned from the reveal and the pattern of the other three theme answers to figure out HORSE TRADERS and finish, feeling grateful that it wasn't all that hard to turn HORNET into HORSE + beginning letter of next word. So, I can't agree with @Rex that the theme "had nothing to do with the solve": for me it was the key to finishing the puzzle. Other pleasures; RUN WITH IT, BELLY BAND, SCRAP PILE, PITCH IN, BILLETS, SABOT. I also liked the image of a TIGON as a LAPPER.

Help from previous puzzles: RANDOS, HARPO.

SimonSays 10:22 AM  

I find it amusing (ironic?) that @andrew complains about Rex’s verbosity. People who live in glass houses etc. . .

thfenn 10:23 AM  

Another hand up for using the theme to help solve. Figured out we were EXCHANGING something, and that got me the themers, which then helped with the fill. Thought it all worked perfectly, and had a fun ride along the way. As for the moving black boxes, kind of worked like slipping a ring on a finger, which I thought was just plain elegant.

Kind of fun pairing SOFIA with USSR, and COPCAR with ACLU, and agree that RANDOS seem more sinuster than MERE odd fellows.

Bugs before BAIT (and Haul before HEAR) stalled the NW, thinking baseball before football stalled me in the middle, and I enjoyed the K in OKGO being the last entry before the chimes rang. OKGO indeed.

There's a cute intersection between the BEES and the Vertex today, think I'll start Wordle with HONEY and see what happens.

Anonymous 10:38 AM  

totally agree that the twist adds nothing to the solve. this is an unfortunate trend for thursdays: feats of construction instead of well-constructed puzzles.
with the coming “east themeless” announced yesterday, the nyt has gone all in on making puzzles for everyone to solve instead of making puzzles that anyone can solve.

Lewis 10:39 AM  

@roo -- Yes. But it felt like a lot to me too.

Mary McCarty 10:40 AM  

Super-easy for me—nearly half my average Thursday time. Only write-overs were SHine before SHEEN, RAIdERS, because I started 14D with dEEp…, never even saw COALERS but didn’t like it. Once again, a Classics education comes in handy with Apis, Vespa, CRETE, AVIATES, STELLA, FASCHIA, OVID/ODE (nice cross there!)
And, @Rex, aren’t the vows the actual commitment? The RINGS are just the symbol of them.

beverly c 10:47 AM  

I enjoyed this puzzle a lot, and yes, I used the theme, after figuring out BALLET SLIPPERS, to go back and fill in the west of the puzzle. I already knew what I was going to have to do, but I just couldn't get enough crosses to get a foothold there earlier.

During the solve I was also pleased to note less common answers like STABS, SABOT, COALER, LATENCY, FASCIA etc.
Put me more in Camp Lewis than most commenters.

Once again, all the negative comments are surprising. Is there something in the water here?

Masked and Anonymous 10:54 AM  

yep. Cleverer than snot theme idea. Easier than snot ThursPuz.
Caught onto the theme mcguffin pretty quick, after beholdin the mid-grid revealer.

@egsforbreakfast: SPIT HANG … very nice find. M&A just had THIN GAPS and PA'S THING.

staff weeject pick: RBG. Always good to see. Some of her co-justices are becomin pretty darn notorious, in not quite as good a way, lately.

fave stuff: TIGONS. RANWITHIT. CHEMICAL. BEARHUG. LAPPER/LIPPER.

Thanx for ringin us up, Mr. Seigel dude. Liked PITCHIN GHOST best, pre-exchange.

Masked & Anonymo4Us


Illustrated, a la The New Yorker [Down Home solvequest option is recommended]:
**gruntz**

mathgent 11:05 AM  

I loved it. I saw that letters were switched early but it took me to the end to make sense of EXCHANGINGRINGS.

I was delighted to see BILLETS/LAPPER become BALLET SLIPPER. Also HORNET/RAISERS becoming HORSETRADERS.

My wife, the mother of two, hadn't heard of BELLYBAND but wishes that she had.

Beezer 11:17 AM  

My feelings about the puzzle were pretty the same as @Sir Hillary. I actually DID enjoy this as a themeless and got a kick at what happened when I “exchanged rings” after the solve. For whatever reason I thought of SOFIA immediately (and I’m not a foreign capital buff) and the old gray cells retained SABOT as a word for clog shoe.

Yeah, LAPPER is a bit weird but the clue/answer that left me rolling my eyes was COALER. I dunno. These days whatever coal that gets moved around these days goes by barge and as a kid who lived by one of the larger rivers in the US, it was referred to as get this…a coal barge. I know it’s transported by rail and truck also but COALERS? Hah! I’m not bitter, I just had TANKERS for WAY too long.

GILL I. 11:32 AM  

EXCHANGING RINGS meant absolutely nothing to me. Until....it did. I jumped out of my skin with delight when HORNET RAISERS become HORSE TRAINERS. I did.
You see, I hadn't figured out what I was suppose to do yet. The Theme answer made no sense to me. Those aren't RINGS I murmured to myself....they are circles! What do I do? Stare a bit, that's what...I did.
I only had the upper half done and the reveal and I wasn't going to wander further down until some sort of green light appeared. It did. And the swap of circles at GRAVE LATENCY confirmed my baffled mind. TRAVEL AGENCY indeed!.
I continued on to the bottom. I went directly to the circled answers... More fun...PINCHIN GHOST was my favorite. Do I know someone who is phasmophobic? If I do, I don't know what you're called..My one cheat...Boo Hoo. But look... you turned into a HITCHING POST.
I went back to filling in the blanks. I had many pauses and many huh's. I don't know what a BELLY BAND is. I never wore one. I could've used one at 8 months...standing in BART....wearing my pity poor me look....getting the nose in the paper vibe....an achy back.
RANDOS...What are you and why are you odd.
FASCIA? Do you warrant a little Prima in front of you? At first sight, I though so, but I can't spell and I don't believe I've studied connective tissue issues.
And so it went...right on to the end dancing with OCHER and wondering which way to spell you.
I rate this a creme de la creme Thursday.

Mack 11:39 AM  

I somehow managed to get the revealer before any of the paired theme answers, so it actually helped my solve a little bit (mostly just to confirm that each answer made sense in the context of the theme; it would've all gone fine without the revealer as well).

The fill is ok but clueing has a few issues:

-LATENCY isn't specifically associated with development. I spent extra time trying to come up with some obscurely specific word like "pupation".

-Agree with Rex on SEA CABIN. Emergency? I guess if you consider sleeping an emergency.

-The clue for BAKE is just awful.

-"Notorious" is B.I.G. RBG got a funny nickname from him, but it's not the correct answer to that clue.

Final point: I don't know what dictionary Rex is using for his Word of the Day, but I'm irrationally (well, semirationally) annoyed that the first definition for FASCIA is about cell phones. Wut? That definition order should go 4, 2, 3, 1.

Seriously. Covering for cell phones? smh

Anonymous 11:50 AM  

I didn’t realize Patagonia included the northern areas where llanos are. The theme helped me solve a lot of the puzzle. Is there in existence a puzzle that cannot be solved without solving the theme?

kitshef 11:51 AM  

@Sir Hillary - before we wiped out most of the Asian lions and many of the tigers, they definitely did exist together in many places. Now, the only plausible place is in India, in Gir. Lions are established there, and they do get an occasional tiger in the area.

andrew 11:51 AM  

Simplesimonsays 10:22

Maybe, but at least I try to break my endless ramblings on a pointless hobby into multiple paragraphs for “crunchy” (or is it “smooth”?) reading.

jberg 11:59 AM  

I always thought that BORAX was aluminum ore, and it had that MI in the right place, so I needed the CHE before I could see CHEMICAL. And not knowing that a SEA CABIN was different from captain's quarters, I held off because of the 'emergency' in the clue (thanks @LTJG John). I also learned that SABOTAGE did not initiate with workers throwing their wooden shoes into the machinery (thanks @wanderlust). I do think that the Patagonians call their grassy plains the pampas, though.

Time to remind everyone again, the focus of Rex's blog is to share his experience in solving the puzzle (see blog title), not to provide an objective evaluation (although that is sometimes part of his experience), or to tell us that our experience should be. I've been through two weddings and one commitment ceremony, and the officiant does refer to the exchange of rings, and Rex is clearly saying that it's a fine clue, just that it misled him.

At least I had the sense to just fill in the G and wait for bi or RB.

But I've never heard of TRU-TV. Is it connected to Truth Social?

Tom F 12:11 PM  

Is Rex trying to be nicer as a rule? This is a TERRIBLE puzzle.

You have to move the black square as well? What does that have to do with the theme of exchanging rings or the larger theme of wedding rituals? What?! Without even a hint as to the black square?
Ludicrous.

MetroGnome 12:15 PM  

Totally unable to figure out the gimmick, even after solving the entire puzzle ("Exchange" the circled letters? Where? How? For what? And what/where are these "phrases" we're somehow supposed to be seeing here?) -- So it worked as a relatively satisfying themeless, despite the annoying trivia-centric nature of the NE and the indecipherable (to me) TRUTV.

Anoa Bob 12:15 PM  

I made a frowny face at the cat clue for LAPPER. I think a clue about a long distance racer who has completely LAPPEd the entire field would work better. Or maybe one about a jeweler who grinds and polishes gemstones on a LAPidary wheel. And in carpentry there is a method of connecting work pieces, such as two boards, called a LAP joint. A cabinet maker would be an expert LAPPER.

Like @LTJG John, this ex-swabby has heard of SEA CABIN but I don't think a Captain would stay there in an "Emergency", as clued. The Captain would be on the bridge or at the helm during any emergency. By the way LTJG John, is there in X in your name?

Like @ROO and others, I failed to see any connection between the EXCHANGING RINGS clue and the moving of black squares to make the gimmick work. EXCHANGING the RINGS produced gobbledeegook phrases like TRAVE LAGENCY or BALLETS LIPPER. Nor was there any hint that sometimes the black square would be displaced to the right and at others it would be to the left.

Yeah, 33D "Borax, for one" is a CHEMICAL but what is it about borax that makes it a better clue for CHEMICAL than a jillion other compounds? Seems a tad arbitrary, is what I'm saying.

Anonymous 12:18 PM  

I think there is more to the theme -- an exchange of rings -- thank Rex indicates. It is only once the ringed words are exchanged that the two words form a phrase. That is, the words are 'wedded' with the exchange.

jb129 12:47 PM  

At first I liked it. Then as I continued, I came to dislike it.

Never got the rings - solved as a themeless.

jae 12:54 PM  

Easy-medium, no erasures and no WOEs except for maybe TIGON which was easy to infer (@Wanderlust - thanks for the factoid). However, it took a bit of staring post solve to get the theme which is fine with me. Clever, liked it.

Anonymous 1:09 PM  

Pioggio, the company that makes Vespas also makes Apis!

GILL I. 1:14 PM  

I am waiting for my busy day to begin, so I have some time to dig and sniff around.
Hybrids! I don't know much about them or why they exist. Evidently they become a hybrid when an animal can't find its own species to frolic with. Do human do that? I think we do - just look at how beautiful the mixing of colors can be. But I digress. Animals. I found these interesting:
Have you ever seen a WHOLPHIN? Imagine the union of a whale and a dolphin. I can't paint a picture in my mind of what may have sparked their desire to copulate. Hmmm. Do you want to be on top or on the bottom....
We get more: Can you guess what they are? GEEP?...LEOPON?...And the good ole BEEFALO and a ZEBROID grazing in the fields of Africa.
My day has begun so I'm off to find other interesting things to ponder. My head is full.

SimonSays 1:17 PM  

Andrew @ 11:51
Crunchy. . . Maybe ballsy? Both work.

Teedmn 1:19 PM  

Not easy-medium for me today. I tried to fit URQUELL in as the pilsner name, thought that a COoLER might be an energy transport (thinking refrigerated trucks and yes, I understand they aren't carrying energy but rather they're using energy. Take it up with my brain.) I had a sweet-talk cOO which made seeing RAN WITH IT quite hard.

I waited to see which Notorious we were gonna get - yay RBG!

Since I had COoLER at 20A, I ended up with a dEo CABIN (not seeing the poker reference in 13A gave me RAIdERS), something I've never seen in the naval fiction I've read. I had to finish the puzzle, try to make sense of the theme and realize we were looking for a HOR[S]E TRAI[N]ER to give me RAISERS which led to see SEA. Again, yay! (Can't think if I've ever seen SEA CABIN either but at least it seems possible.)

Simeon, this was fun because it made me work for it which is always appreciated, thanks.

Anonymous 1:22 PM  

OKGO was terrible

Joe Dipinto 1:27 PM  

Did anyone point out RANG crossing RINGS? Since it involves the "revealer" I'd say that's pretty sloppy.

Also, the "rings" themselves are only there because you drew them around certain letters after the fact. They aren't part of the content in any way. Making them the subject of the revealer feels like an act of desperation ("I must work a revealer into this somehow!")

okanaganer 1:46 PM  

I found the trick quite delightful, discovering it after finishing is just fine with me.

I like it when someone talks about one of the answers from personal experience. Appreciated, @LTJG John 10:15 am.

The clue for STELLA grated a bit... Stella is not a first name, it is actually THE name of the beer, latin for "star". And Artois was the name of the first brewery to make it. Kinda like "Star Labatt", in the French word order.

[Spelling Bee: Wed 0; just a HECK of a lot of "--ING" words. And hardly any goofy ones.]

Anonymous 2:22 PM  

Instead of moving the black squares you can ignore them

CDilly52 2:32 PM  

As far a puzzles with circles go, this one is right up my street. Readers may recall that I totally blew the MUSTACHE puzzle by both ignoring the circles throughout the super easy (for me) puzzle and then completely misunderstanding the (less than well written ?) reveal. Whether anyone read of my lunacy matters not. This puzzle had many features of classic themeless from the NYT archives. One might even call it Old School. It plays old - again, right up my (old) street. I put on my comfy old school bathrobe and went to work. And had a ball.

Surely every solver would notice the circles. In fact in the app, they have heftier lines than the lines printed in the MUSTACHE puzzle. The beauty today is that one can solve giving absolutely zero heed to said circles and be done. Or, one can finish and see the reveal with its instructions and do as suggested. Kind of like crossword homework for extra credit! If having to go back to the puzzle post happy music is too much like work, then the solver need not complete the task; the puzzle is done and dusted as a themeless. Sweet!

I, however am of the “can’t let a sleeping conundrum lie” school of thought, so upon completion, I was indeed eager to see what the EXCHANGING RINGS was all about. I did the work and was mightily impressed. Simeon Siegel married a clever and a bit crunchy themeless puzzle with the mystery of a Thursday themed puzzle and even gave us homework! I love that!

So the instructions said we would be EXCHANGING RINGS. My “always overcomplicate things” brain dives in and looks for actual words somehow related to the circled letters. Hmmmm. They don’t spell anything. Again, Hmmm. Rethinking. . . et voila! Sure, quite a bit of grey matter for the payoff, but even more time, thought and cleverness went toward finding all the words necessary to make this puzzle work. And it works. Well done! This is both a solver’s delight and a constructor’s triumph.

Sure, some of the fill is old as the hills, but so am I! Enjoyed seeing BILLETS for example and the specific reference to genus for both BEES and the dreaded HORNET - crossing no less was elegant. Again, well done! So much elegance and artistry. My favorite Thursday in a long time.

mathgent 3:14 PM  

Solving this puzzle as a themeless is like eating your favorite meal without tasting it. You've satisfied your hunger but eating a bowl of mush would have done the same thing.

PHV 3:26 PM  

I didnt get the trick, partly because the rings were not rendered correctly on my tablet, and partly because, after the grid was full, it didn't matter much.

Newboy 3:27 PM  

In our house Fox (a rag doll) is definitely a LAPPER. Sox (the resident tuxedo) feels only a need to lie adjacent to the potential of lapping with one paw placed in contact. Both appear related to TIGONS who by all reports BILLET anywhere they damn well choose.

Really a fine effort Simeon has provided even with the question marks for DEN, TAG & RANG that took away opportunities for actually puzzling and “Ah, that’s a good one” responses.

Newboy 3:48 PM  

Meant to say thanks to LTJG John 10:15 AM for getting this landlubber on board & to @jberg who sent me back to revisit 14d clueing where I finally saw the “emergency” that was critical to appreciate that elusive SEA CABIN.

Anonymous 3:52 PM  

Horrible clue for RAN WITH IT. Genuinely ruined the enjoyment of the puzzle for me. Also, RAISERS, LAPPER, and SEA CABIN are bad fill. Didn’t like this at all.

Liveprof 4:00 PM  

Anon 12:18 -- excellent point about the words being "wedded" into a phrase via the exchange.

I should've known my daughter's marriage wouldn't last when she threw the ring at him during the exchange. It landed near me but I couldn't bend over to pick it up because my rented vest was too tight. I was busy trying to inhale. The best I could do was kick it over towards him. Beautiful memories.

Anonymous 4:08 PM  

This puzzle was fine. Sabot tripped me up, which was frustrating because I had French as a second major, but I think it’s reasonable I never came across the french word for clog. To me the clues felt Wednesday-ish, maybe because I just didn’t vibe with this Wednesday’s puzzle and it was an uphill climb all the way through for me. Solved it without figuring out which rings were being exchanged and didn’t really care to figure it out after solving.

Anonymous 4:12 PM  

Another ugly gimmick puzzle that I refuse to waste time on. Again.

Carola 6:05 PM  

@Liveprof, LOL.

Anonymous 6:54 PM  

I didn’t like that the theme answers didn’t have any coherence. And they didn’t have any relation to the revealer.

Anonymous 7:31 PM  

I guess I am being overly sensitive but that comment somewhat made about human hybrids struck me as being really inappropriate.

Good puzzle.!



Weezie 8:22 PM  

A fine use of size queen! And ty for the research.

Anonymous 12:46 AM  

Contrary to Rex's experience, having figured out the gimmick did help me solve hornet/raisers, where I was stuck.

dgd 1:44 AM  

Odd all the complaints about coaler. I actually have seen the word. It is an old word. I am too lazy to look it up but it wouldn’t surprise me that oiler, ever so popular in crosswords, was created after coaler by analogy. A coaler was simply a boat or ship that carried coal. Especially necessary before the coming of large freight rail systems,
The word is not invented, or a stretch. Just not used much these days.

LTJG John 10:40 AM  

To Anoa Bob:
No X in the name, sad to say. Captain would always sleep in the SEA CABIN when off N. Vietnam. We took occasional unexpected fire from the beach.

Andy 12:24 PM  

I didn’t mind the answer but why not clue it in relation to the great pop band of the aughts who eventually became well known for their creative and elaborate videos.

Lowy 3:59 PM  

Disappointing that you didn’t put the OKGO video “THIS TOO SHALL PASS” usually your music choice fits right into the puzzle but Mark Almond made no sense.

Anonymous 7:42 PM  

Once I figured out the theme, I used it to help solve the horse trainers row; it was valuable to me during the solve.

spacecraft 10:04 AM  

Not so easy at the Space station: the NE. COALERS?? RANDOS???? And what is the significance of SEACABIN? Where does "emergency" come in? SEACABIN is green paint. Plus, never heard of a BELLYBAND. Perhaps some musicians who slap their stomachs in 4/2 time?

Agreed about the revealer creating the theme, cleverness points there. Some of that fill though...LAPPER is, to say the least, awkward. Par.

Finally, a Wordle eagle: YGBBB GGGGG.

Burma Shave 12:15 PM  

WOO WOO

LANCE gave SOFIA a BEARHUG,
GOSH, IT sure ENABLEd things.
I HEAR he gave her BRA a TUG,
WITH that they're EXCHANGINGRINGS.

--- STELLA ADAMS

rondo 2:45 PM  

Biggest mistake was USGS before FEMA; I'll bet that FEMA gets their maps from USGS.
I'm no @spacey, but wordle birdie.

Anonymous 3:10 PM  

Good puzzle. Could easily have run on Friday. It took me forever to decipher 19D - RANWITHIIT.
PS - Why does BELLYBAND make me think of Meatloaf of Bat Out of Hell fame?

Anonymous 3:20 PM  

Just worked the puzzle, and ignored the gimmick. Solving took considerable effort, but elated me with the accomplishment. Best Thursday ever.

Diana, LIW 7:36 PM  

Oh wait. RANDO

Never mind...

D, LIW

rondo 10:42 PM  

So close yet . . .

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