Apple co-founder Steve, familiarly / SAT 6-24-23 / Stronger than grease sloganeer / Steamed Chinese snack also called char siu bao / 2006 play with question Why didn't you burn the tapes / Biggest city on Puerto Rico's southern coast / Words accompanying a snap, perhaps / Video game console sold with a Robotic Operating Buddy (R.O.B.) / It has a hook and, sometimes, two claws / Words accompanying a snap perhaps

Saturday, June 24, 2023

Constructor: Spencer Leach and Quiara Vasquez

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: WOZ (1A: Apple co-founder Steve, familiarly) —
Stephen Gary Wozniak (/ˈwɒzniæk/; born August 11, 1950), also known by his nickname "Woz", is an American technology entrepreneurelectronics engineercomputer scientistcomputer programmer, philanthropist, and inventor. In 1976, he co-founded Apple Computer with his late business partner Steve Jobs, which later became the world's largest technology company by revenue and the largest company in the world by market capitalization. Through his work at Apple in the 1970s and 1980s, he is widely recognized as one of the most prominent pioneers of the personal computer revolution(wikipedia)
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The most memorable thing about this puzzle was that I, like a rube, fell for the "Apple co-founder" prank. That is, I figured the Steve was the very very very famous Steve and not the merely famous Steve. So I'm out there early trying to think of what 3-letter name anyone ever called Steve Jobs. J-BO? S-JO? No clue. Consequently, the entire NW was a bust at first pass—in fact, it was a bust until the very end (as you can see by the cursor in the printed grid, above, that's where I finished—with one of the crown princes of Crosswordese: OLIO). The next most memorable thing about this puzzle, for me, was that—and I cannot stress enough how off-brand this is—the first answer I put in the grid was a Kardashian (KHLOÉ). It pains me that the names of the Kardashians are so transcendent in our culture that even I, a person who has negative interest in the doings of that family, can run through the names like "KRIS, no, too short ... KIM, no, too short ... KOURTNEY, no ... KYLIE? They wouldn't use KYLIE, would they? Anyway, she's KYLIE Jenner, right? Oh, KHLOÉ, that's gotta be it, yes good choice." And sure enough. KHLOÉ. I went from floundering around in the NW to KHLOÉ BEAR URGE NES in quick succession, no hesitation, bam bam bam bam. I figured at least one of those guesses would be wrong and I'd have to work it out with the long Acrosses, but nope, they were all right on the money. This let me wrangle the NE without too much sweat, and once I got the first few letters after QUIT, the roller coaster car finally dropppppppped:

[6D: Words accompanying a snap, perhaps]

While I never got up to Friday-level whoosh-whoosh speeds, that central Down ended up breaking open every section of the grid. I went spilling down into the SW through a temporary hold-up at CHU / SHEIKH (wasn't sure about the former, never considered the terminal-H spelling on the latter), and then gently swooshed over to the SE via "I'M ON A DIET" and then up via "FROST/NIXON" and over via "EVERYBODY GO HOME!" and then up to the finish line via ZEN GARDENS. I left out a lot of details there, but that was the basic path—a wandering, circuitous journey, from the NW back to the NW, with mostly enjoyable sights along the way. 


The most jarring thing today, especially in a puzzle that is proudly flying PRIDE FLAGS, was encountering not one but two (!) words that can be slurs against gay and/or "effeminate" men. Now, they weren't clued that way, of course, but PUSSY and PONCE hit weird today. This is obviously unintentional and not really that important. Those answers just really stood out to me, probably because of the PRIDE FLAGS. I think you were probably supposed to snicker at (the other slang meaning of) PUSSY, which hasn't been in the grid in 21 years (!?) (a long dry spell). But PONCE is a perfectly innocent place name, pronounced very differently from the (British) slur PONCE, which is apparently dated now anyway. Language is flexible and funny and sometimes, depending on context, words can evoke things their users never intended. But you knew that. Anyway, PRIDE FLAGS and PUSSY somehow primed me to see / remember the slur meaning of PONCE, a name I've seen in the grid many times before and never blinked at. I was far more put off today by diet culture ("I'M ON A DIET") and the kinds of people who might say "Thanks, OBAMA" than I was by the wildly multivalent meanings of PUSSY or PONCE.


I didn't know the short actor names (IMAN, YOBA), but what's new? Tellingly, those were my only real sticking points (along with WOZ and CHU). Names, man. It's always names. While I enjoyed the marquee answers in this one, my favorite answers were actually less conspicuous. I liked "YOU ARE HERE," especially the clue (16A: Line on a map?), and I really liked the exclamation "WHAT A DAY!" which feels even more on-the-money, wording-wise, than "QUIT YOUR DAYDREAMING" or "EVERYBODY GO HOME." The one "?" clue that really held me up was 23A: Something that needs a spell checker? (BEE) (as in a "spelling BEE"). I was off in the realm of wizarding until I got to -EE and decided to run the alphabet (where "B" comes early, thankfully). The other question-mark clue that baffled me for a bit was 30D: Splits in midair? (JETÉ). I know the (ballet) term, I just never really considered what it looked like before now (like someone doing ... well, let's not start the whole "do a split" / "do the splits" war again) (see the discourse around the May 17, 2023 puzzle). The "?" clue on PRIDE FLAGS is elaborate! (18A: Ones waving at people who might be on their way out?). And I'm realizing now that I somehow never even saw it when I was solving (!?). Probably not ideal to have "waving" in the clue when you've got WAVY in the grid, but the clue is so charmingly ambitious that I guess I don't care (I seem to be *noticing* a lot of things I don't actually *mind* today).  Proud of myself for remembering my sushi terminology today (45D: Fatty tuna, on a sushi menu) (Fatty tuna, strong like (Spanish for) bull!) (TORO). Anything else need explaining? BASES are "at least a 7" on the pH scale (38A: They're at least a 7). The "two claws" on a COAT HANGER are ... I honestly have no idea (55A: It has a hook and, sometimes, two claws). Google is oddly unhelpful. Somebody tell me. Are the "claws" just ... dual hooks? No idea. Sorry. I'll be back later to tell you what this is all about. Until then, or until tomorrow, or until whenever ... Bye. 

[UPDATE: it seems the “claws” are clips that hold (in one commenter’s words) “fancy pants”—the “hook” part of the clue really had me thinking wall hook / coat rack hook]

[UPDATE UPDATE: apparently it’s going to be this kind of day …:]


Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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94 comments:

Anonymous 5:56 AM  

I thought the "claws" were the bottom clips on a pants hanger, though at that point it's no longer a "coat hanger" IMO.

Also thought the PRIDEFLAGS clue was tortured vs. elaborate, and had never seen the slur sense of PONCE until now.

Will M 5:59 AM  

I took the claws to mean one of these, but may be wrong: https://thehangerstore.co.uk/product/grey-plastic-clip-hanger/

Really enjoyed the puzzle, did give me good Friday energy in places, and some nice marquee answers.

Anonymous 6:10 AM  

Claws hold fancy pants

Anonymous 6:10 AM  

I think the ‘claws’ are the two clips for hanging pants etc.

Anonymous 6:18 AM  

Thanks —RP

Anonymous 6:24 AM  

No the claws are for the kinds of hangers that allow you to hang a dress or a camisole or something. They are sort of two indentations on the top part of the hanger.

Burghman 6:31 AM  

Agree with anonymous at 6:24 - we have lost of plastic hangers with hooks on the inside to hold dresses or things with spaghetti strap. Like here: https://www.nahanco.com/plastic-tubular-clothes-hangers-17-white.html

Son Volt 6:56 AM  

The strive for the pangram here feels clunky - the overall fill suffers. Once I got the odd cluing voice it fell in nicely - just not much to smile about. The crossing spanners are blah - add some obscure names and it was a chore. Never heard the OBAMA saying.

Solved while listening to our JAYS cackle - liked ZEN GARDENS and BREAKDANCE. Will always get some bao buns at Mei Lai when I’m in Chinatown.

Strained solve this morning. Mossberg’s Stumper is more friendly.

And a BANG on the ear

Fun_CFO 6:59 AM  

Clearly referencing the 2 clamps found on the bottom of some hangers. As clued, suit hanger is more accurate since the claws hold the pants, but whatever. Most people just say hangers anyway, so if modifying to a specific type of hanger, suit is more appropriate, but whatever.

Okay puzzle, but the names did take away some enjoyment for me. Yoba in particular. Did the IMDB check and he’s like the 50th actor listed on that show. Click on his picture and he’s in a lot of stuff. At least clue something that he’s known for. Clueing with Cool Runnings would have been great MON! Anyway, constructors should have just have said fuck it, and crossed YOBA with an Idris ELBA clue.

Anonymous 7:12 AM  

How are those indentations claws? I think the fancy pants holder is right.

Wanderlust 7:26 AM  

Two excellent themelesses in a row. Yesterday was breezy and fun, today was knotty and challenging - but not impossible. Lots of great clues and answers. Big smile when I got QUIT DAYDREAMING and pictured my fourth-grade teacher snapping her fingers in front of my face. Wondered if Rex might call out the dupe of DAY with WHAT A DAY. (I care not a whit about that but I know x-word purists do.)

Like Rex, I am embarrassed that I put in KHLOE right away, but unlike him I am proud that I didn’t fall for the Jobs trap, figuring it must be WOZ.

Who are the kinds of people who say Thanks OBAMA that leave you put out? I always thought it was our sort who said that, in answer to Republican complaints about him. As in, you saved the economy, got health care for millions, killed Bin Laden … and brought pizza. Thanks, OBAMA.

Anonymous 7:26 AM  

As usual, you love to push the gay agenda even…when talking about a crossword. You’d be happier if you just gave it a rest once in a while.

Anonymous 7:36 AM  

Kind of a drag.

Anonymous 7:38 AM  

I worked at Apple so woz was a gimme for me. Also, IBM once had a programming language where ! was used as the print command. It was pronounced “bang”

Lewis 7:41 AM  

Hah! The opposite of yesterday. Then I started slow then whooshed. Today I started with a whoosh in the NW, then hit The Wall. My Libra craving for balance has been satisfied.

This was Saturday-worthy for me, sending my brain through the hard-work somersaults it itches for on this day. It was a clue clinic. Truly, as I look at the finished grid, there are only three answers out of my wheelhouse, so the stiff resistance I encountered came from the cluing.

For instance, vagueness all over the place. Such as [[Benefit] at four letters, or [“I’m beat!”] at eight, or the magnificent [It can’t be helped] for REFLEX. I like vague clues because they beget such happy-dings when the answers finally come.

There was also “Hah!”-producing wordplay in the clues: [Sports stud], [Low bar], [They’re at least a seven], [Line on a map], and [Ones waving at people on their way out?].

Plus, smile-producing conversational answers – YOU ARE HERE, EVERYBODY GO HOME, I’M ON A DIET, WHAT A DAY, QUIT DAYDREAMING.

Not a Stodgy Saturday. Au contraire, shimmering with energy. It feels to me like Spencer and Quiara were having a BANG-up time coming up with this. It’s just a dang good Saturday puzzle. Thank you two!

Gary Jugert 8:03 AM  

Delightful outing this morning. I needed a good one after a crummy real-life WHAT A DAY day yesterday and here was a salvo saying it'll all work out.

It started out tragically with the wildly generic name BBQ PORK BUN in English after cluing it as Chinese. Ug. Then the YOU ARE HERE line??! It's always a dot! But I suppose they mean the words and not the dot. Dot is so much more amusing than line. Then the stoopid clue for PRIDE FLAG. Are all the editors from Peoria? After those three editing problems the ship was righted and the stormy seas were manageable. Solve was eerily similar to 🦖.

QUIT DAYDREAMING is sooo good.

People of the crossword ilk will bemoan the Kardashian clue as did 🦖 mostly because they would rather assume the worst about people who are famous for being famous, but the Family-K has built an empire from a nest egg without tearing out their souls like so many other billionaires. They're OK and thankfully their names are all different lengths.

Learned the word DROSS. Hadn't heard a reference to AJAX in years as we were Comet people. Looked up YOBA as I don't waste my enthusiasm for crosswording on random actors' names anymore although the crosses were fair on it.

I never thought about what the Elvis saying meant. Maybe that? I dunno. I think I thought it was about dying, not going home. Hm.

Tee-Hees: PU$$Y and A$$ crossing YOGA PANT$. Another constructor has received the memo. Yesterday's blog discussion focused on the NYTXW dumbing itself down for newer solvers, but we didn't ponder how they're shining when it comes to 5th-grade-boy humor. That alone should sell app fees. "You should do the New York Times crossword puzzle and look for all the dirty words." Boom. $39.99.

Uniclues:

1 "Once upon a time there was a sweaty blonde..." and all that follows.
2 Went to the competition more for the snacks and less for the spelling.
3 The worst story ever told.
4 My favorite place in the Denver Botanic.
5 Crazy Arab cat man. (You were hoping for a different clue, eh?!)
6 Zealous zeal or angry abhorrence for those who think this stuff matters, and "oh yeah, I remember him" for normal people.

1 YOGA PANTS LORE
2 ABUSED BEE
3 I'M ON A DIET TALE (~)
4 ZEN GARDENS AREA
5 PUSSY SHEIKH
6 OBAMA REFLEX (~)

Stix 8:04 AM  

I had BABES before BASES because in order to be a babe, you have to be at least a 7, right?

Liveprof 8:09 AM  

A pangram!

RJ 8:09 AM  

I didn't get all the discussion surrounding coathanger, but then I realized a clotheshanger is usually referred to as a coathanger in my neck of the woods.

I met Woz years ago at some convention, and he was such a nice guy. My fill experience was the opposite of RPs - I had the NW corner done and struggled with the SE.

Things I learned from NYT xwords than from any experience - sushi terms like ahi, uni, maki, anago (sashimi and nigiri - yes! seaweed - no!)

pabloinnh 8:14 AM  

Technical DNF as I wrote in CHLOE and didn't both to fix it, just thought it might be the French spelling PORC. My sheet of paper didn't tell me I had an error and I plead willful ignorance of anything involving the Kardashians or others who are famous for being famous.

This was a real bounce-around solve with some blind faith involved. Things like ZENGARDENS and IMONADIET and BOREINMIND turned out OK and really helped I thought the long answers were fun and colloquial and they helped too. Met Mr. CHU and Mr. YOBA and wonder when I'll see them again.

I've been to PONCE so that was a gimme. It's worth a trip just to see the parque de bombas, which is not a park featuring bombs, but the fire station, which is justly famous.

All in all an excellent Saturday with just the right amount of crunch. Nicely done indeed, SL and QV. Strongly Lauded as a Quality Version of what today should be like, and thanks for all the fun.

Boogie 8:28 AM  

BASES threw me off for a minute, I was using BABES. I was thinking of Bo Derek being a 10!

SouthsideJohnny 8:32 AM  

I don’t know @stix - I think a BABE can be a 6 (or even a 5) with her own source of dope.

I agree with @Lewis - the more enjoyable clue/answer combinations on a Saturday are the ones a that are vague enough to really stretch the memory banks like we had for REFLEX, BASES, BATTY and even a simple word like TEAM was clued in a vague but creative way (Coach pullers). It takes much more talent to construct/edit a puzzle like that - and in my opinion it is more enjoyable to solve those types of clues than be quizzed on random words in Vietnamese for example.

Dr.A 8:35 AM  

yeah, i really did not like Thanks Obama, didn’t really catch the gay slurs, fortunately, but now that i know, I’m even a little more annoyed, but I did enjoy the challenge of this puzzle and I did finish with no googling so I was happy about that. BEE took me the longest, but like you, ran the alphabet and figured it out.
Thanks.

Anonymous 8:41 AM  

Reference to “drag queen” when say “kind of a drag”. If so, clever. If not , Freudian?

Joaquin 8:43 AM  

Regarding hanger claws: This is a statement about a gizmo for storing your wardrobe that has a subject and a verb.

Bob Mills 8:52 AM  

For a long time I thought the words accompanying a snap were "ONETWOTHREEHIKE," which might have been a football quarterback's call to his center. It took me almost two hours, but I finished it without cheating for the second day in a row.

I had CHLOE instead of KHLOE, but the crosses fixed that. Likewise, I had "cian," instead of CYAN. And the clue for sports stud was a devilish misdirect, but eventually CLEAT was the only possibility.

All in all, a satisfying morning.

Kent 8:52 AM  

Spent way too long trying to remember of there was a mellow rock artist named ZENGAR before I was able to parse that answer correctly.

andrew 8:55 AM  

Rex never fails to take umbrage at words not meant to be slurs (cat, Puerto Rican city) and ignore when the target is white (WHITEY from weeks ago or LIMEY today - the latter, according to Wiki, “The term is thought to have originated in the 1850s as lime-juicer, later shortened to ‘limey’ and originally used as a derogatory word for sailors in the British Royal Navy.”)

A real lime-juicer, that pussy owner is!

Diet culture is offensive? Today’s Rex GMAFB moment! Someone saying IMONADIET says that person is trying to get a bit healthier, not shaming anyone.

Puzzle was challenging, though my PRIDEFLAGS whenever I can’t solve without cheating a little, which I did for the BBQPORKBUN. Hey, that’s fat shaming, calling me a PORKBUN! Shame on YOU! IMONADIET, dammit, but I’m just big boned!

Had dANG for ! - and while BEE ultimately made more sense, dEE could be a bad grade for someone getting a D in spelling. One who needs a spell checker. The contortions my mind goes through to justify an obviously wrong answer still amaze me.

Guessed at PONCE (for deLeon, not knowing of any slur) and CHU (common name). Remembered AJAX from my incessant Tv watching and WOZ from my Apple fanboy days (the day after “SJO” died, I was in the Bay Area and drove to the original garage where WOZ and Jobs built the prototypes. Strangely emotional for me.)

Had KHRIS instead of KHLOE. Can’t keep up with those Kardashians! And god help me if I ever want to!

Enjoyable DNF for me. Off to juice some limes - it’s FLU and scurvy season, you know.

Yours in blue,
Andrew

Anonymous 8:58 AM  

Not to nitpick but a pH of 7 is a neutral substance. The pH has to be OVER 7 for something to be a base.

Tom F 9:12 AM  

Easy and fun. Great cluing!

bocamp 9:27 AM  

Thx, Spencer & Quiara; terrific job! 😊

Easy.

I WOZ on this one from the get-go.

Slight hesitation at KHLOE, since I had PORc on a recent xword. Happy to say, I stuck with the 'K'.

Hadn't seen SHEIKH with an 'H'; learned something there.

Catcher was my main position in baseball. Still have the battle scar of a CLEAT mark on my wrist.

Took many a class to Dr. Sun Yat-Sen Classical Chinese GARDEN in Vancouver, BC. Definitely a peaceful place, but also somewhat different from the traditional Japanese Zen GARDEN.

Another most enjoyable solving experience. Liked this one a lot! :)
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On to 'Steve' Mossberg's Sat. Stumper. 🤞
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude, Serendipity & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

Smith 9:36 AM  

(Hi blue Andrew, glad it's working)

The puzzle was mediumish? Under half an hour but felt l-o-n-g-e-r.

With @Rex on the Kardashians, ugh, I was shocked that I knew all the names of people I've never even remotely considered keeping up with.

As for YOU ARE HERE PRIDE FLAGS, Dublin is awash. Which is lovely but it's still embarrassing to be American here. Made much worse by coming from a quiet town in Germany with awesome public transit, great restaurants, and no trash. Here in Dublin I can't wear sandals due to all the broken glass.

Makes me want to say EVERYBODY GO HOME, but the tourist dollars make the city hum.

There's a sign outside Christ Church Cathedral that reads "Let them Bee" (beekeeping, hives right there in courtyard), because, I guess, they want to stop anyone who has previously ABUSED a BEE.

BTW if you find yourself needing a train ticket in Dublin you have to *wait until the day you need it* although that information is not available anywhere (I had read numerous online sites, nothing, and used the ticket machine at Tara, nothing) until you have *paid for the tickets* and they print out and they're only. valid. today. And they can't do anything about it ("Sorry, love, maybe you'd like to go somewhere today?") so that €€€ is flat gone. Meeting friends tomorrow, thought we'd save time by getting tix in advance, which you can do everywhere else. What a stupid system (I have Rheinbahn tix that I could use next year if the rates don't go up; before NJTransit had an app we used to stock up on paper tickets, etc.).

Have a nice weekend!



Wanderlust 9:38 AM  

“We were Comet people” made me laugh out loud. We didn’t associate with those AJAX people.

Anonymous 9:44 AM  

What exactly is the gay agenda? Tastefully decorated homes?

jberg 9:47 AM  

DNF. I figured the French household object was a BAsIN (from BAS), changed the s to a V with everybody, but just never considered that the 'down' in the clue might be feathers. Couldn't see JUDAS because that A was sitting there, even though I knew it wasn't confirmed -- and then there was miND the gap.

I came so close...

Nancy 9:57 AM  

So how many of you also had TRASH before DROSS? Bet that was almost all of you -- including Elvis before he left the building.

That messed up my NW corner for the longest time, but the NW corner was only the beginning of my misery.

Now you will tell me, please, how a "steamed" anything can also be a BBQ? They're two entirely different ways of cooking -- aren't they?

A "!" = BANG??? Really??? In what universe? Marvel comics?

Oh, and did the insulated flooring ever give me trouble! It looked like it would cross the "blue hue" thusly: TILE/TEAL. In which case I would have fairly shrieked: "TILE is cold, you idiots!" But then I changed to CYAN, was able to abandon TILE, and got...what for the floor? Aha, COIL! That's what they put in bathrooms under the floor to produce a heated floor, right? Wrong. At the 11th hour I was able to finally correct to CORK -- that after changing AILS to ERRS for "isn't right".

And that's only my trouble with the short answers. I haven't even mentioned the long ones yet:)

What a fiendishly difficult puzzle! But I somehow managed to "keep the faith" in the face of great adversity and finished without cheating. I'm quite proud of myself, actually.

Anonymous 10:00 AM  

In my recollection, “Thanks, Obama” as a catchphrase caught on specifically as a satirical saying poking fun at the kinds of people who were genuinely inclined to blame him for everything. (“Ow, I stubbed my toe—thanks, Obama!”) I enjoyed seeing it here.

Photomatte 10:01 AM  

I'm one of those people who say Thanks, Obama. Without Obamacare, I'd have been bankrupt after a 4-week hospital stay. However, thanks to the Affordable Care Act, I was able to get decent health insurance that didn't leave me penniless. So yes, Thanks Obama!

KB1566 10:07 AM  

Just noticed that this puzzle has BEAR, BORE (in BORE IN MIND) and BORNE. At least BEAR was clued as the animal…

Beezer 10:07 AM  

Wow, this puzzle got me good! Like @Lewis, I STARTED whoosh whoosh then hit a wall with the entire bottom half. I managed to finish but man oh man! My weakness are the (not sure what to call them) maybe colloquialisms and things like the clue for IMONADIET. @Andrew, I kind of know what you meant with that “diet” thing but I find the term annoying, in the nature of TMI. Instead, I tend to say things like, “Really delicious but I just can’t eat another bite” or the more basic, “I’m just too full”!

Yeah, the COATHANGER got me too. I think of a COATHANGER as the really sturdy (and wider) hangers in my winter coat closet. So yeah…the ones with claws/clips I think of as “suit hangers.” Also, I hadn’t REALLY thought of it much at all until today when I couldn’t suss out the answer until it was obvious.

@Gary J…your Kardashian take really shows your propensity to think the best of everyone! (I’m not kidding). I have to say it is VERY hard for me to do this with them. Do I cringe when it’s in the puzzle…no. But I do find it disturbing when the lifestyle and plastic surgeries prompt other people to aspire to these things.


beverly c 10:30 AM  

It was exciting when ZENGARDENS went in quickly, but after that I really had to chip away at it. I ended up googling for the Kardashian, Malik, Vellani, and the BBQ PORK BUNS. My last answer was the FROST part of 27D. Plus I was only familiar with the opera Nixon in China, which obviously didn’t fit. I couldn’t decipher the clue for BASES until the puzzle was completed. Babes.

YOUAREHERE - Funny! QUITDAYDREAMING was also good, but I was thinking of a snap as a stinging retort, so that didn’t come easily.

My most difficult Saturday in a long time.

Weezie 10:31 AM  

Lol how did this comment even pass moderation?! There’s no such thing as “the gay agenda.” There’s just human rights, and we’d like to have the same ones as everyone else, thanks very much.

mathgent 10:38 AM  

My kind of puzzle! Awash with sparkle. Twenty red plus signs in the margins, the most in months.

I got tripped up on JETE/ETS. I forgot that Arrival was a movie, even though I saw it. It stars the divine Amy Adams.

egsforbreakfast 10:41 AM  

Talk about an aha! moment (as opposed to the ahi! moment I recently had while eating TORO). I’m reading @SouthsideJohnny 8:32 saying “ I don’t know @stix - I think a BABE can be a 6 (or even a 5) with her own source of dope.” The light comes on. Didn’t @JohnX disappear shortly before @SouthsideJohnny came around? And wouldn’t the BABE comment be a classic @JohnX throwaway line? So, @JohnX, not unusually for him, found himself in a situation (likely related to PUSSY and YOGAPANTS) that got so out of control that he simply had to vanish. But he can’t just quit this blog cold turkey. In fact, after white-knuckling it for a week or two he realizes that he’d rather forego his daily gin and fentanyl cocktail than walk away from the blog. So, he cleverly reinvents himself as a guy who is proud to know almost nothing and who gives the impression that he maxes out on excitement by calling any answer with multiple syllables a “made up word”. And lo and behold, it works. Nothing in his comments would lead even the most thorough forensic cruciverbalist to suspect that @SouthsideJohnny = @JohnX. Until, today, that is. When a tiny display of sex and drug humor brings the whole house of cards crashing down. I expect this will be the last we’ll see of @SouthsideJohnny now that he’s been found out. But watch for him returning in a week or two as a completely new commenter, something like @BookofJohn or @SloopJohnB. In the meantime, it was nice having you with us again, old friend. Sorry to spoil your gig.

The puzzle cluing was great. Like @Rex, a big aha! moment at WOZ. Thanks, Spencer Leach and Quiara Vasquez.

RooMonster 10:42 AM  

Hey All !
Not to sound juvenile, but ... Who didn't snicker at seeing PUSSY in the grid? Clued as Kitty, OK, but that's 99% of the time said as PUSSYCAT. Only when referring to the risqùe meaning as a substitute for the item(!) is PUSSY used by itself. Heck, it's even sometimes referred to as it's clue. 12 year old me done now. (To borrow a @Gary Jugert - Tee-Hee!)

Tough! puz today for me. Just could not get a toe/foothold anywhere. A smattering of answers here and there, but plenty of white space sitting there mocking me. Started to use Check Puzzle early. The ole brain just wasn't up to todays challenge, I guess.

Kept wanting aqua for CYAN. How come you can never remember CYAN as a color until it's either in a puz, or you run out of it in your printer?

AJAX/comet - Growing up, I think I remember being more AJAX, but it was probably whichever was the better price.

So a ! is a BANG? Add in the "?" and you get an INTERROBANG. So then, is a ? by itself an INTERRO? (*Just looked it up, a ? is either a question mark, or an interrogative point, so, Aha*) The things one learns doing crosswords...

Have a great weekend, all. Time when no one can tell you to QUIT DAYDREAMING.

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Teedmn 10:42 AM  

I was mentally bemoaning how easy this was for a Saturday - I wasn't taken in by 1A so the NW and parts south filled in quickly, but the easiness ended at PANTS and BEAU. By the time I took out SHarif in the SW and quit thinking 6D would be jusT DAYDREAMING (should've realized I needed a Q because the pangramishness of the puzzle was obvious), this took my average time to solve. Which is nice!

Those extra H's in SHEIKH and KHLOE were mildly flummoxing. And then there's my stubborn insistence in putting down "Rami" at 54A when I knew it is Rami Malek and not Malik Rami. I looked up Malik Yoba post-solve and I do not recognize any of the movies he's been in.

Nice job, Spencer and Quiara!

Anonymous 10:43 AM  

I feel as if PUSSY may originally have had another clue that made it work more with pride flag, e.g. My ____ is on fire or What's on fire, per RuPaul. I imagine neither of those would pass the breakfast test.

I also think THANKSOBAMA is one of those dumb sayings that ultimately transcended political affiliation. All of my friends are liberal, vote straight Dem or Dem Soc, and we would say it. Usually in situations where Obama had nothing to do with it, like "They were out of cereal at the store. Thanks, Obama." It as making fun of rightwingers blaming Obama for everything.

maverick 10:43 AM  

Agreed Wanderlust, while "Thanks OBAMA" may have started out as a saying for the type of right wing-y people Rex often cringes at, I think even if it did, it was quickly taken over more so by OBAMA fans who used it more ironically. Maybe not Rex's favorite group, but one I wouldn't expect him to actively dislike. I liked using it humorously and I hope Rex wouldn't hate me! 😂

Nancy 10:50 AM  

Is anyone here still using those horrendous pants/skirts hangers with clips? Here's why I find them hateful:

They often tear your clothes. The more delicate the fabric, the more likely it is to be torn.

They take time and patience and more manual dexterity than I possess to use. Especially when putting the garment ON the damn thing.

They're dangerous -- more than likely to pinch/puncture/crush your fingernails/fingers if you're not careful...or even if you are.

I liberated myself from these horrors years ago...with THESE!!

JC66 10:52 AM  

In my sheltered life, the only thing I know about the Kardashians, is that their names begin with K.

Weezie 10:55 AM  

That was a nice little workout with the misdirected cluing, I appreciated it. I definitely had TRASH before DROSS and not knowing the play, I had to run the alphabet to get BASES - appreciated the explainer on that one.

Re: pork buns, my father lived in Taiwan for four years so we grew up with regular trips to the Chinatowns of NYC, and my little brother always insisted on a pork bun as a treat. We never referred to them as BBQPORKBUNS though, and I’m not sure if other people do. @Nancy, the pork is first barbecued and then chopped up and used as filling for the bun, which is then steamed, so it requires multiple techniques.

I agree with our fair leader about the diet clue, but fwiw, I really didn’t notice or care about the potential slurs, since it wasn’t the constructor’s intent. I deeply appreciate Rex’s allyship, and, sometimes having this kind of thing pointed out means that now the LGBTQI+ among us have to think about anti-gay slurs on reading the blog when I imagine it didn’t even occur as a possibility to the average solver. Not a big deal, but something to consider.

Anyway, a good puzzle, a thoughtful post, and lots of good commentary!

Whatsername 10:59 AM  

I’ve been doing these things for 20+ years and most Saturdays I wonder if I’ve ever learned anything in the process. Very tough for me and I didn’t feel the least bit guilty about looking up a few names. There weren’t that many of them - which I deeply appreciate - but often a little breakthrough will result in a big advancement.

Ordinarily I would not bring up a subject like derogatory slurs but since Rex did, I read this in a book once: “The definition of a faggot is a homosexual gentleman who just left the room.” Apologies if anyone is offended by my sharing that. It’s just something I wrote down at the time because I thought there was a great deal of truth to it.

Carola 11:05 AM  

Medium for me and fun to solve. Like others, I had an easy time with the NW triangle but had some difficulty crossing the diagonal divide in the BEE to SAKE latitudes and getting into the SE zone, not least because I had no idea what "Elvis has left the building" might mean. My favorite "reveals": REFLEX and CLEAT.

Only after reading @Rex did I realize I DNF, because of misreading a clue and then not checking the cross: instead of "Splits in the air," I saw "Spirits" in the air - obviously JETs, for Spirit Airlines. I assumed that the crossing sTS would be the usual "Grid lines" or such and didn't bother to look.

Do overs: EVERYBODY Get out, teAl before CYAN, Sultan before SHEIKH. Happy to know: WOZ, FROST NIXON. No idea: IMAN, YOBA, "Thanks,????"

@Lewis, @Southside Johnny - Since I first worked up the courage to tackle a Saturday puzzle decades ago, it was the vague clues that struck me and made Saturdays so hard. I remember one early time staring at the clue "Cover" and thinking (maybe whining), "Verb? Noun?" Nothing tricky about this example, just a clue with a lot of possible ways to go.

@Bob Mills - Way to go!

Nancy 11:07 AM  

That's the only thing I know about the Kardashians also, @JC66 (10:52). I suspect it may be the most interesting thing about them.

jae 11:12 AM  

Easy. Unlike @Rex I finished the NW in Monday time. Some of it might be a wheelhouse thing as WOZ, ZEN GARDENS, BBC, FROST NIXON, KHOLE, BREAK DANCER, OBAMA...were gimmes. However, I’d be surprised if these were not gimmes for a lot of solvers.

YOBA was is for WOEs.

Smooth with colorful grid spanners, liked it.

Newboy 11:18 AM  

Enjoyed the commentariat brilliance on closets & politics as much as today’s solve. First pass through Leach & Vasquez’s masterful open clueing resulted in only ETS and BBC and a mystified grimace. Everyone today seemed miles ahead of this APEMAN whose struggles truly were epic. Using @Lewis’s admonition to just relax & keep hacking away however brought ultimate success and new appreciation for our DUVET’s elegance.

Eh Steve! 11:42 AM  

I had the opposite experience this morning. Threw down WOZ and got the "whoosh" of the entire NW falling into place. Fast and breezy.

In Atlanta, PONCE refers to the gritty-but-gentrifying east-west running Ponce De Leon Avenue. I've spent a lot of time on Ponce, and was happy to see it show up in today's puzzle.

burtonkd 11:53 AM  

I would go medium/challenging for this one.

nothungry fit so well for IMONADIET. You really have to be hyper-ready to be offended to get worked up for a diet.

@Nancy, when DROSS became apparent, I had to take out the traSh, which I assumed had to be wrong on a tough Saturday in the first place.

BBQ meat(made in a wok) is placed in the bun and then steamed. I was surprised that every word in that answer was in English.

I was pretty stuck on this one, so hit check, which changed dawn>AJAX, and yarn>LORE. Surprisingly that was all it took to be off to the races.



johnk 11:55 AM  

I avert my eyes whenever I see "Kardashian."

Anonymous 11:59 AM  

?! is an interrobang

andrew 12:15 PM  

Re Beezer 10:07

“@Andrew, I kind of know what you meant with that “diet” thing but I find the term annoying, in the nature of TMI. Instead, I tend to say things like, “Really delicious but I just can’t eat another bite” or the more basic, “I’m just too full”! “

Are YOU on a diet when you deflect the real reason and give other excuses for not eating dessert or whatever? Or are you just opining what others who are trying to watch their weight should say?

This is not a TMI comment like “I have explosive diarrhea so better not” or “nah, my hemorrhoids!” Though supposedly at a dinner with friends, shouldn’t the person say whatever he or she wants? Can’t a gay man just say he’s a confirmed bachelor instead of giving TMI (no, of course not! That would be dishonest and demeaning, as the vast majority of all political persuasions in US now believe).

Should a recovering alcoholic say “I’m watching my carbs” (wait, TMI) or “my thirst is thoroughly slaked” rather than say what’s behind the rationale when declining a nightcap?

Anyone on a diet (as I’ve been many times in my life, and no doubt should be now) knows that is a top of mind thing when you’re doing it. And this is a harmless crossword answer, as is PONCE (though I assume PUSSY was more a test the boundary entry).

I’m really not trying to pick a fight, you’ve been nice to me in your comments.

But it’s silly for Rex or anyone else to say “I was far more put off today by diet culture ("I'M ON A DIET")”. He says CANCELCULTURE doesn’t exist, then invents “diet culture” as a bone to pick (with any pursuant outraged shoved down our throat).

Shoot, I’m getting hungry now. All this talk of food. Oh well. Piece (of cake) out!

GILL I. 12:19 PM  

WOZ...you were my first... thank you for giving me a ZEN GARDEN. I shan't fail to mention the KHLOE (with a K) girl. She opened up a wide window. The air that flew in? BBQ PORKBUN...delicious...Opening flood gates ensued. YOU ARE HERE with PRIDE FLAGS. I have the T from those YOGA PANTS that I wore once. Oh, look! QUIT DAY DREAMING! YOU ARE HERE with a little BEE....Such fun I was having. I wondered at one point if this should've run on Friday. When I asy that out loud, I usually find myself stuck in traffic.

I had a few stop signs..Damn, names again!!...Who are you YOBA and IMAN and CHU?...you drove me BATTY. I just waited and waited until a green light paved the way. Patience...I needed that. It worked and I was able to go my merry way....

PONCE!...I had no idea that it also meant a pimp. Thanks @Rex, just what I needed to know. I'm sure the people who live there are not the least bit amused. It's a lovely city to visit for a day. San Juan is usually the main attraction, but PONCE - also known a The Pearl of the South - is worth seeing. No pimps in sight.
JETE...I really miss one of our regulars, @Leapfinger. I used to tease her and call her JETE...Are you still out there doing splits in mid air?
I finally finished this enjoyable puzzle with FROST NIXON and NAM. Coincidence?

Smith 12:22 PM  

@Nancy, et al

There's also the interrobang, which is a combination of ? and ! , which can be useful at the end of the sentence expressing (what else) surprise and disbelief.

I first became aware of the interrobang in some kids' book but for the life of me I can't find it by googling... maybe someone will remember for me!

Anonymous 12:35 PM  

Such a great Shortz selection and examples of his Impressionism : 6 & 32 Down ; 33 Across.

Hung up a bit by teal/ tile instead of CYAN/CORK and PUrse.( Do people really associate PUSSY with gay men? I thought it was used for anyone who showed timidity or the like in a rather joking way,)

Anonymous 12:36 PM  

Doesn’t the “B” in “b-boy” and “b-girl” stand for “breaking” or BREAKDANC(E)ing?

jb129 12:52 PM  

Hard for me - but it's Saturday. Guess I'm gonna have to remember Iman & Yoba since they're sure to turn up again.

Masked and Anonymous 1:10 PM  

Well, shoot -- WOZ was the first thing I wrote into the puz. NW corner solvequest fell mighty easily, at our house. Not so much the NE corner, due to:

1. char slu bao was a no-know.
2. YOUAREHERE and PRIDEFLAGS stacked, both with sneaky ?-marker clues. [Maybe need to space those ?-clues out, a bit more?]
3. KHLOE. All Kardashian stuff are no-knows, for m&e.

staff weeject pick: BEE. Its {Something that needs a spell checker?} clue immediately led M&A to splatz HEX into 23-Across. Wrong again, M&A breath. (But still kinda like that answer more, tho.)

Pangrammer! Nice touch, even if it took CHU, YOBA, TORO, IMAN, KHLOE, and that sluey-baoey stuff, to get there.

fave stuff: QUITDAYDREAMING/EVERYBODYGOHOME. ZENGARDENS & its clue. WHATADAY [DAY, part II].

Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Leach dude & Ms. Vasquez darlin. Tough, but mostly fair. Good job.

Masked & Anonymo6Us


**gruntz**

Joe Dipinto 1:13 PM  

The Coat Aria from "La Bohème"
(English translation)

After Mimi has collapsed on the staircase to the attic room, she is carried into the room. On the edge of death, she says that her hands are cold. In order to buy her something to keep her hands warm, Musetta pawns her jewelry and Colline decides to pawn his old overcoat, to which he sings farewell.

COLLINE (addressing his overcoat, which he has just taken off):
Dear old coat, listen,
I stay here below,
but you must now
ascend the mount of piety!
Receive my thanks.
You never bent your threadbare
back to the rich and powerful.
You have sheltered in your pockets
like peaceful caves,
philosophers and poets.
Now that happy days
have fled, I bid you farewell,
my faithful friend,
farewell, farewell.

(He makes a bundle out of the coat and puts it under his arm.)

Now, this aria always receives an ovation for the singer (a deep basso). But I think it would get an even bigger ovation if there were a stray hanger lying around the attic, and Colline hung his coat on it and used it to transport the coat, making it look more presentable. And if the hanger had claws, he could remove and clip his pants to it, and throw them in for a few extra bucks.

But it never gets staged that way.

Beezer 1:14 PM  

@Andrew…yes. TMI was a bit strong! I guess when it gets down to it, I just see a difference between one’s diet and being ON a diet. We are ALL on a diet and some people eat bad stuff and some might eat to much stuff. I think the “diet culture” reference might stem from fact that it can cause SOME people to have body dysmorphia sometimes leading to eating disorders. Keep in mind, if I am out to dinner with someone who says no thanks IMONADIET I doubt that I’d give it a moments’ thought. These are things I ponder reading the blog. I hope we are good!

@egs…good detective work on @Southside! @Southside, you are a whole different person than when you’ve had to spend time in foreign jails! 🤣

Nancy 1:41 PM  

I can't tell you how very, very often over my long lifetime someone I've been with -- at dinner; at a party; wherever -- has said that they wouldn't have dessert or bread or seconds or whatever because they were on a diet.

I can assure you that never once in all those scores of instances did I think for a single solitary minute that their comment was directed at me -- or at anyone else, for that matter. Why on earth would I? Why would anyone think that? Hey, people -- not everything is about you.

Was this Rex's special Saturday "Outrage of the Day"? Good grief. The mind simply boggles.

okanaganer 1:49 PM  

Hugely more difficult than Friday, just a wavelength thing I guess. Got stalled at a few typeovers, the worst being STOP DAYDREAMING. When I saw the P had to be a T I couldn't think of anything but... AIN'T DAYDREAMING? For "None for me, thanks" I had I'M DRIVING, then I'M STUFFED, I'M SOO FULL, etc...

"Egg on" was GOAD for ages. The symbol of Russia was STAR then TSAR before BEAR. The thing with a hook and maybe claws looked like CRAB something. No wonder it took so long!

[spelling Bee: Fri -1, missed this 12er! There were many many silly words, probably a record high.]

Anonymous 2:01 PM  

This is so stupid: I parsed “quit daydreaming” as “quitday dreaming,” thinking this is something the young’ uns say on an Instagram photo of a sunset, like they dream about quitting their jobs.

mathgent 2:45 PM  

"I'm full!" Isn't that what children say? I prefer people to say, "Everything's wonderful but no thanks." Saying "I'm on a diet" isn't cool.

Anonymous 3:00 PM  

Ajax. Stronger than DIRT!

jberg 3:05 PM  

I've heard that BANG in this sense originated with typesetters, or maybe journalists phoning in their stories, because it took too long to keep saying "exclamation point." I don't know where I've heard it, though, so I may be wrong.

All the diet discussion makes me think of poor Martin Luther, who had to live on a Diet of Worms.

andrew 3:16 PM  

@weezie

First, thanks for taking my response to you in the gracious spirit you showed.

Second, there is no excuse for fat shaming. I never saw her acting, but the emotional response of this actress to a random troll really moved me.

the Fat shaming of Valerie Bertinelli

Of course, This is far different than going on a diet for yourself. And as a society, I think we’ve gone from heroin chic / unhealthy skinniness and the anorexia/bulimia entailed to the celebration of obesity as an equally wise health choice. My pre-diabetes diagnosis suggests otherwise. But that is my issue and while down 8 lbs, still need to lose 20 to get to my pre-pandemic self, a weight at which I had a lot more energy and generally felt better about myself.

Third, I’m pretty sure you were the one who posted several weeks ago that you were non-binary and be nice because you never know who is reading your sometimes gratuitously insensitive words. I thought that was one of the most profound things I’ve read, on this blog or elsewhere. So thank you for that.

Which brings me to what should be the word of the day: not PONCE, but POUNCE.

We’re so quick to POUNCE whenever someone says that upsets us, based on what we are programmed to believe. Watch MSNBC and CNN and you’ll have a WILDLY different view of what is going on than viewing FOX or Newsmax. And we (and I include myself) are just so ready to POUNCE on the idiot with the offending view.

It didn’t used to be this way. I’m old enough to remember when the only time I (re)acted outrageously was when I was behind the wheel - honking (or worse) at someone who cut me off, drove too slow, or generally was in my way.

Now I need to watch my Keyboard Kourage, (over)reacting to someone’s comment or take on things that disagrees with my preferred channel of propaganda. When outraged, try to remember two things. What difference does it really make? What if I’M wrong?

It’s all so crazy. So let me get back to my first point, thanks for taking my response to you in the gracious spirit you showed!

andrew 3:23 PM  

@jberg 3:05

Your Diet of Worms comment made me think of Frank and his tapeworm Jerry on Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

The Tapeworm Diet (TMI)

Smith 4:04 PM  

@Andrew

One Day at a Time was a wonderful show, sorry you never saw it

Peamut 4:23 PM  

@anonymous 8:58
Good point about bases being over seven

Beezer 4:52 PM  

@mathgent…hahaha! We apparently think alike! @Nancy…Ive never ONCE thought that the comment “I’m on a diet” was aimed at me…well, because (as some people say) I’ve been “skinny” all my life and when younger I tried to GAIN weight. (And don’t get me going on unsolicited comments made such as “your so SKINNY” whereby I held my tongue to NOT say…”ok…thanks?? Your build is very stout?”)
I really hope I didn’t offend anyone with my “I’m on a diet” musings.

jazzmanchgo 4:55 PM  

Is anyone else here old enough to remember singing this song in grade school? Ah, the days of sweet innocence . . .

"I have a little pussy
Her fur is soft and gray
She lives out in the meadow
Not very far away
Though she's a little pussy
She'll never be a cat
For she's a pussy willow
Now what do you think of that?"

MetroGnome 5:01 PM  

Being offended when someone says, "No thanks, I'm on a diet" as somehow fat-shaming the equivalent of being offended at "No wine for me -- I don't drink" as somehow implying that everyone else in the room is an alcoholic.

NEXT: Someone says "I'm happy! I had a good day!" and they're called to task for being ableist and "shaming" people who suffer from depression.

Weezie 7:56 PM  

@Andrew, thanks for the kind words, but I believe you might be hybridizing @Beezer and me (though we do often agree, and I did today!). @Beezer had the gracious response today, though I was the person who posted a few weeks back about being non-binary. Perhaps I should have chosen a different username!

Menidia 8:58 PM  

Didn’t know jete and woz. Might have gotten zen garden but I thought the z was a j. Essentially got everything else.

Anonymous 9:00 PM  

Yes!!!

SFR 9:52 PM  

@Anonymous 8:58. Thank you for your explanation. Others missed the mark.

SFR 9:53 PM  

@Nancy. The pork is barbecued before being wrapped in raw bun mix and steamed

andrew 11:19 PM  

Haha - my bad! If only they had a “Please Prove You’re Not An Idiot” captcha!

In fairness though, Weezie and Beezer get confusing to this geezer!

kitshef 7:32 PM  

Rex's entry was my downfall. My niece is named Chloe, and I never considered that Khloe might be a name. And as others mentioned, porc is the French spelling, so seemed fair game for something on a menu.

Anonymous 6:17 PM  

LOLs

Anonymous 9:29 AM  

Too much DROSS (inferior three-letter fill) and stuff like OLIO.

Anonymous 9:47 AM  

Has anybody ever said BOREINMIND ?

Burma Shave 3:17 PM  

PUSSY GO LORE

KHLOE ABUSED her YOGAPANTS,
BEAR INMIND she can’t JETÉ,
her REFLEX was to GO BREAKDANCE,
QUITDAYDREAMING, WHATADAY!

--- JUDAS “JAY” NIXON

From yesterday:

SEND MALE

Ms. WIE SNEERED and made a PASS,
a HONED and UNCTUOUS teaser,
“KEEPITUP, don’t be AGHAST,
G,MAN, I’m a PEOPLEPLEASER.”

--- ABRAM MANCINI

Anonymous 1:19 AM  

I found this puzzle much much harder than Rex did, and while that's not exactly unusual, even though I've been doing them longer than Rex has been alive, I gotter done! And since I pentopaper as Gof intended, I think I might have set a new personal world record for writeovers. I made a lot of wrong guesses, so if I had used a liquid white out pen my finished grid would have looked like 3 dimensional hieroglyphs.

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