Herringlike fish / THU 7-21-22 / Destination in Hercules' 12th labor / Relative of a chimpanzee / Dish in which ingredients are cooked at the table / Nerf product that might be used to bother a sibling

Thursday, July 21, 2022

Constructor: Anne Marie Crinnion and Eric Bornstein

Relative difficulty: Very Easy


THEME: DROP DOWN MENU (46A: Options at the top of a computer window ... as seen three times in this puzzle?) — three familiar answers "drop down" for their last four letters, and those letters spell out different types of "menu" (FILE, EDIT, VIEW) that live at the top of your computer screen, in your operating system or web browser or whatever, see:


Theme answers:
  • HIGH PROFILE (20A: Attracting much publicity)
  • SCHOLARLY REVIEW (27A: Commentary on a scientific article)
  • STORE CREDIT (56A: Alternative to a refund, often)
Word of the Day:
OCELOTS (37A: Cats with the unique ability to turn their ankle joints around) —

The ocelot (Leopardus pardalis) is a medium-sized spotted wild cat that reaches 40–50 cm (15.7–19.7 in) at the shoulders and weighs between 8 and 15.5 kg (17.6 and 34.2 lb). It was first described by Carl Linnaeus in 1758. Two subspecies are recognized. It is native to the southwestern United StatesMexicoCentral and South America, and to the Caribbeanislands of Trinidad and Margarita. It prefers areas close to water sources with dense vegetation cover and high prey availability.

Typically active during twilight and at night, the ocelot tends to be solitary and territorial. It is efficient at climbing, leaping and swimming. It preys on small terrestrial mammals, such as armadillosopossums, and lagomorphs. Both sexes become sexually mature at around two years of age and can breed throughout the year; peak mating season varies geographically. After a gestation period of two to three months the female gives birth to a litter of one to three kittens. They stay with their mother for up to two years, after which they leave to establish their own home ranges.

The ocelot is listed as Least Concern on the IUCN Red List, and is threatened by habitat destructionhunting, and traffic accidents. Populations are decreasing in many parts of its range. The association of the ocelot with humans dates back to the Aztec and Incancivilizations; it has occasionally been kept as a pet. (wikipedia)

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It's got the structural weirdness of a Thursday, but the difficulty level of a Tuesday. That is the main thing I have to say about this puzzle. It felt like "Thursday for beginners." The fill is basic, straightforward, almost totally devoid of popular culture or proper nouns of any kind—feels like there's more animals than people in this grid (not necessarily a bad thing). There is absolutely nothing to trip you up, and there's really nothing in the way of your discovering the gimmick, either. I mean, your answer runs out of room, and there's really only one way for it to go. The unclued Down segments are basically neon arrows confirming that "The Rest Of Your Across Answers Go Here." The placement of the revealer is super-weird (position 3 out of 4?). It's neither at the top, where an actual DROP DOWN MENU lives, nor at the bottom, where a typical revealer lives. But for the purposes of the particular way this theme was executed, it just *fits* best where it is. That's fine. This is a perfectly decent theme idea, but I'd've liked it much better on a Wednesday. I need something much thornier and more surprising, more *involved*, on a Thursday. The toughest part of the puzzle for me was the SW, where VETOPOWER dropped in easily, but neither PARK IT nor DRYING wanted to drop, and so that corner took some fussing around with before I could get it going. I think DART GUN came to the rescue (67A: Nerf product that might be used to bother a sibling). So it was the toughest corner, but could only be credibly called "tough" if it were, say, Tuesday. Just no bite to this one today.


My main revelations in solving this were weird and personally idiosyncratic. Like, apparently I can't spell CHISEL (18D: Icebreaker?). I wanted the word, I had the first few letters, but somehow ... CHISLE? CHISTLE? Honestly, when I got the -EL I thought "well that's obvious," but, well, nothing else that sounds that way ends that way in English, really, so ... it's weird. BRISTLE ... that's got more "S" sound in it. Usually that "Z" sound means "Z"s, as in FIZZLE. So CHISEL just looks weird to me, man. Also I thought ERE was a preposition. And it is. But it's also a conjunction. Schoolhouse Rock did not tell me about ERE. The lyrics to "Conjunction Junction" aren't "And, But, and ERE / Get you pretty far." I feel betrayed. Apparently ERE (like "Before") can be both preposition and conjunction. "Before" is a preposition when it's used to mean "in advance of a specific time" (e.g. "before breakfast") or "in front of something / someone," and a conjunction if it means "in advance of the time when" (e.g. "before they got married) or "in preference to." Prepositions take objects, conjunctions connect clauses or phrases. And OCELOTS have freaky feet, apparently.


INES and GREENE could've been clued as people's names but ... weren't. The clue on GREENE was so weird that I refused to write in GREENE even though it was the only answer that I wanted and seemed to make sense. The quotation marks around "colorful" in the clue tell you "not an actual color, maybe sounds like a color?" Famous people have the last name GREENE, but we get weird vague county trivia. I don't get it, but ... it's different, I'll give it that. Maybe the idea is that alongside GARR, GREENE needed to be something other than a specific person's name, for fear of name overkill. But two is not overkill. They're not even intersecting, and the crosses are simple. Oh, there's LON on the other side of GREENE, didn't see him tucked down there. For this puzzle, that's a veritable name avalanche. OK, counties it is. Don't think I've seen CTO before. Not fond of the insane proliferation of business abbrs. along the lines of CEO (CFO, COO, CIO). I'm not even sure how the CTO's job is different from the CIO's. Also, I should stress, I don't really care (here's the answer if this is somehow of interest to you). The intersecting CHI and CHI (from CHISEL) directly on top of the intersecting HIGH (from HIGH PROFILE) and HIGH (from THIGH) is ... well, a lot of repeated and overlapping letter strings. Wow, very same section, you also get OOH on OOH (from POOH). MIC on MIC as well! (though neither of those MICs is standalone, so you're not apt to notice). Repeated 3 and 4-letter strings are fine when they aren't near each other. When they're on top of each other, that gets noticeable. And when several sets of repeated letter strings are absolutely piled on top of each other in one little section, it's possible you should polish that section a little more. Looking forward to more of a challenge tomorrow. See you then.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. this is a good question (I blew through the clue without properly reading it)
[23A: N.L. Central team, on scoreboards]



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104 comments:

OffTheGrid 6:16 AM  

This straightforward and not very difficult puzzle was just fine with me. Too many Thursdays are so weirdly unconventional that the fun disappears. Yes, I mean you, rebus, letters in black squares, numerals and other symbols.

Anonymous 6:28 AM  

Didn’t see the MICs, but did notice that EASE and RELEASE cross each other

Joe Dipinto 6:33 AM  

Damsel.

Conrad 6:56 AM  



I got hung up on the NL team at 23A. Like @Yannis Vassiliadis, I've only seen the Cubs as CHC, never CHI, to differentiate them from CHW, the White Sox. Maybe on some scoreboards before the start of interleague play (1997), when the heading "National League" would tell you that the CHI in question is the Cubs.

BunnyR 7:07 AM  

I don't recall seeing RATFINK in previous puzzles, but have only been solving for a few years. Is this a debut?

Anonymous 7:17 AM  

Amen to OffTheGrid. And like OFL, I also found the SW trickier than the rest. The mention of siblings in the Nerf clue had me searching for something with “sis” or “bro” in it. So DARTGUN was slow to drop. Am I missing anything?

Z 7:20 AM  

What @Conrad said. Although these days you're more likely to see CHc and CHw (and NYY/NYM and LAD/LAA) lots of scoreboards used to list National and American League scores separately.

Pretty easy. COB crossing BONOBO looks like the start of a dad joke. And, no surprise, the absence of lots of PPP is a feature not a bug in my opinion. I’d say this was probably the best Tuesday puzzle ever.

Z 7:22 AM  

@Bunny R - RATFINK has appeared four times, all since 2011. The last was in 2019.

albatross shell 7:35 AM  

Rex's pointing out the repetitios letter strings made me notice that the CHI turns into a second CHISEL using the DROPDOWNMENU operation.

You also can get EVENPARKS BIGGAMERMAN HAWKISHON
PARTNERTOAD OCELOTSOWN.

Makes me wonder why most movies about an alien on Earth are about a land ET.

Damsel?

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

I had RATF__K and took a bit to get my brain off the obviously wildly inappropriate for the NYT wrong letters there. Anyone else?

Diane Joan 7:40 AM  

There’s something sweetly sentimental about this puzzle. I had visions of the siblings listening to stories about Pooh’s corner, reading Spider-Man comics together, taking a spin on Mr Toad’s Wild Ride, and chasing each other around with Nerf guns so as not to do any real harm.

albatross shell 7:50 AM  

@Zed
There was POOH SPIDERMAN (who developed his own web(bing)) LON CHI HADES. Rex seems to be quite fond of people in puzzles. Perhaps that is why he gets upset at the ones he doesn't hold in high esteem.

B Right There 7:56 AM  

Yup, on the easy side. But enjoyable. Didn't know there were streets in Pooh's world. Mental image only brings up the 100 Acre Woods. So starting out with that and the 1A abbreviation irked me just a little at first, but I just skipped it and went on til I found traction with COB, ADO, and OMICRON , then circled back up with no problem. Note: after starting xwords years ago, I finally made it a point to memorize the Greek alphabet for the frequent cluing. I found a cute little song on YouTube (similar to the ABC song kids learn), and now know my alphas from my omegas, but I still have to sing the little song in my head for everything in between. Last little stumble was 67A DARTGUN. I thought surely that Nerf would have some cutesier name for that product. After all, a dart evokes images of a sharp, pointy object, and the whole point about Nerf, I thought, was that it's all fun, safe, blunt, soft stuff. But googling brought me immediately to an Amazon product, confirming the name. Did this one in Tuesday/Wednesday time. I don't mind brilliant, clever, and puzzling Thursdays. And though this didn't reach all those levels, IMHO, with the heat wave hitting us making every daily activity a slog, I enjoyed the break.

Son Volt 7:59 AM  

Fun puzzle - but yes probably early week difficulty. The DROP game fell quickly - I liked STORE CREDIT. HAWKISH x VETO POWER is solid but reminds me of the Bush/Chaney years. Always POOH POOHed the POLI SCI majors - we were doing Physics labs etc and they were partying.

Some nice misdirects here - EVEN PAR, DRYING. Learned about OCELOTS.

RELEASE me and let me love again

Enjoyable Thursday solve.

SouthsideJohnny 8:00 AM  

I'll also raise a glass and toast the low level of PPP, although some of the clues were a little too "fringe" for me (maybe trying to up the difficulty level a bit?). Stuff like GREENE (I hate the random county crap), OMICRON (Ditto for the Greek alphabet). I definitely never heard of NERF DARTS or MR TOAD so that slowed up the works as well.

Nice to see the lovely Ms. GARR drop by for a return visit - it's been quite a while Teri, welcome back.

Joe Dipinto 8:14 AM  

Here's someone that's Greene.

mmorgan 8:26 AM  

Yep — a Thursday that felt like a Tuesday and the SW corner was the slowest to come. Am I agreeing with Rex too much?

Anonymous 8:27 AM  

In the days before interleague play became common, you definitely saw CHI and NY on out of town scoreboards at the ballpark, because they were separated by league. An AL team never played an NL team until the World Series, so there was never any confusion.

Now, a designator is needed to differentiate the Chicago, NY and LA teams because it could be either an NL or AL team playing. The example photo in Rex's write-up is typical these days: Detroit (AL) playing Milwaukee (NL), listed under the NL scoreboard.

With interleague play common during the regular season, and the NL adopting the DH, there's now little difference between the two leagues, sadly.

Tim 8:32 AM  

Don't remember BIGGAME referring to the Super Bowl.. a cursory google search agrees with me. Big Game does refer to the Stanford Cal football rivalry

pabloinnh 8:35 AM  

Thought OFL nailed it with "Thursday for beginners". The "-" instead of a clue used to bother me when I started doing these, but that was back in the days of discomania, so not so much any more, If you didn't know that gimmick, today was the day to discover it.

I knew GREENE county from NYS and OMICRON is omnipresent, sadly, so the only real glitch I had was POLYSCI, which gave me pause when I filled it in, as the Y was in a bad place, but easily fixed.

I like a little more pushback on a Thursday so this one goes into the "Thursdecito" category. BTW, ITO is a much better diminutive suffix than LET. Would this be a "puzzlet"? Don't think so.

Nice enough, AML and EB. Although Made Largely for Enterprising Beginners, still some fun, for which thanks.

bocamp 8:55 AM  

Thx, Anne Marie & Eric; just right for a Thurs.! :)

Med.

Got COB, ODOR & BONOBO, but nothing else in the NW; had to come back at the end to finish with POOH.

VIEW gave an inkling of the theme, which was confirmed by MENU; DROP DOWN came later.

Over all, pretty much on the right wavelength for this one.

Fun trip! :)
___
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

SouthsideJohnny 8:56 AM  

*** PSA ***

Robyn published a Monday-level puzzle over in the New Yorker today for those who may be interested.

kenji 8:59 AM  

It's always so entertaining when OFL signals his righteousness. You must be reminded (almost daily) that he followed the highest of callings--academia--which, credit where it's due, across the centuries HAS advanced civilization mostly to where it is. Meanwhile, it's always been the low-brow merchant/business brutes (whom he isn't fond of, doesn't care about, and on other days wants cancelled or dead) who've created the tangible THINGS--absent which, guaranteed, in any era, Rex would take for granted and not happily live a day without (today, for example, his computer and other tech; the wall studs in his house or the toilet and the plumbing; his commuter car or bicycle; his dinner salad; yes, even his booze).

Nancy 9:05 AM  

The trick theme was a slam dunk, but I did have quite a bit of trouble in the SW. For "itching to fight", I was thinking of someone you might meet in a bar, not someone who might launch WWIII. "Peckish" and "peevish" came to mind, whereas HAWKISH never did until I had SHAD.

I think of SHAD (shad roe is just about my favorite entree in the entire world; the plain old shad, not so much) as a fish much, much blander than a herring. I wanted either kippers or smelt, but they didn't fit.

I have never said "PARK IT" to mean "grab a seat". No one has ever said it to me.

And then there's DART GUN. It doesn't sound like something you "bother a sibling" with. It sounds like something you kill a sibling with. It's lucky that neither I nor my brother ever had one.

So the SW was a bit of a struggle. But the DROPDOWN MENU was easy-peasy.

A word about ONE SEED, where I'd written in TOP SEED. I've both played and watched tennis my whole life and absolutely no one ever says "one seed". "He's the number one seed," is what they say. Or "he's seeded number one". Or "he's seeded first". Or "he's the top seed". Take your pick. But not "the one seed". I don't think they'd even say that on ESPN much less during the BBC coverage of Wimbledon :)

Anonymous 9:13 AM  

Big Daddy Roth!

Gary Jugert 9:28 AM  

Whenever a puzzle fills in without much difficulty, especially later in the week, ya can't help but git a li'l jumpy. Am I missing something? Did I get smarter? Am I confused what day it is? Should I say anything since I'm not a fan of hard-just-to-be-hard construction? Will I see a bunch (a bunch!) of multi-decade solvers derisively saying, "In my day, puzzles were better; Thursdays were Thursdays not watered down Tuesdays; WS is responsible for everything bad in life including the dummin' up of 'merica. Oh and Rex is terr-ble too. I ain't doin' no other brand-o-puzzle 'cuz if'n I grumble' bout this'n they'll do it my way."

All my jangled schizophrenia aside, this puzzle dropped together nicely for me and I wish there'd been more. Format, Windows, Help? It was a quick fun experience.

Oddly, here's what we get when we ask for what we want. Less "trivia" and suddenly the puzzle is too easy, but in our defense, we also ask for more intense or humorous cluing and that's not here.

Yays:

RATFINK! Everything else in life will pale in comparison today when held up against the majesty of RATFINK. Even it's clue is delicious although a bit narrow in scope for such a bold and daring entry. I will use the word RATFINK three times today. If you complain about this puzzle you're a RATFINK.

Now, a few complaints:

Boos:

EVEN PAR's clue is trying a bit too hard.

INES. Ugh. These "chemical suffixes" might as well be clued: Random string of letters requiring all crosses (RSOLRAC). Now that I think about it, why isn't that a clue more often? Just be honest constructors when you've got a horror mucking up your grid and admit it with an honest clue.

The sports guys are saying CHI should be CHC and of course one of our beloved Anonym-oti will call this out with sneering contempt, 'cuz ya know how smart they are. Those of us who don't care about anything Chicago sports related probably all filled in CHI and went on our merry way.

Uniclues:

1 The fifth harp for student use.
2 How to get rid of bunnies.
3 The doofus who sees you when your main guy is in the Caymans.
4 Best ones aggressively looking to stay that way.
5 Old laptop covered in stickers hits the can.
6 The astonishingly affective ability of a nice pair of legs to stop others in their tracks (tee hee).
7 Teri's press release explaining her pick for best Wind in the Willows character.
8 Classical guitar repertoire.
9 Every movie trailer these days.

1 SCHOLAR LYRE V
2 OCELOTS RELEASE
3 PARTNER DOC
4 HAWKISH ONE SEED
5 COMIC ACER, TATA
6 THIGH VETO POWER
7 PER GARR, MR. TOAD
8 INFAMY ETUDES
9 SPIDERMAN OCEAN

Anonymous 9:32 AM  

Amy: really appreciate @DianeJoan wrote about this puzzle. Enjoyed it, along with the absence of rebus squares. Now off to store up vast quantities of popcorn.

Rachel 9:32 AM  

There were some hard ones in here for me. RATFINK? ONESEED? What are those things. Also, I always thought POLI SCI was spelled poly sci.

I thought the idea of the gimmick was clever, but "view" was hard to get. I don't have a mac, so my drop-down menu doesn't look like Rex's, or apparently the puzzle author's. I kept wanting the phrase to be scholarly debate, which of course didn't work, but kept me from thinking of other words it could be. I thought this was a medium-hard for a Wednesday.

Dan A 9:33 AM  

Just to clarify the definition, from hubspot: “ A drop-down menu is a list of options that is revealed only when a user interacts with the menu, either by clicking it or hovering over it with their cursor. The menu options then descend vertically and disappear again once the user disengages from the menu.” So, FILE, EDIT and VIEW on the main menu bar are each names of individual DROPDOWN MENUs.

EdFromHackensack 9:38 AM  

had oRangE before GREENE.

RooMonster 9:41 AM  

Hey All !
COB, har. Are we back in Boston?

Neat puz. Figured out at STORE CREDIT, having a number of Downs for pattern recognition. Went looking for the two other -'s, and shortly got them after.

Didn't notice the Repeater Strings in NE, but did notice ACE and ACER (albeit not crossing.)

PARKIT and RATFINK were fun to see. A little slanginess thrown in.

Some alternate clues for the Across Themers as they sit:
20A - Pot using academian?
27A - Racing the engine for class?
56A - (shout-out to M&A) - Short money??

This seemed to me to be on the tough side to fill. Those open NE/SW corners especially. Lots of open space in both directions to fill cleanly. Also, EPSILON and OMICROM have the same amount of letters. Guess which one I put in first? (Although I was skeptical, as I believe Xi is closer to the end of the Greek alphabet, whereas I believe EPSILON is neater the beginning. My Greek Alphabet needs work...)

Fun puz, you two. Not too tough, good for diminishing brain cells!

yd -6, should'ves 2

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Carola 9:49 AM  

Easy theme, but trouble spots elsewhere (agree on the tough SW) made this one a "medium" for me. I enjoyed many of the Downs: SPIDERMAN, VETO POWER, CHISEL, PARK IT, and the idea of LETHAL INFAMY.

@Nancy, did you notice that the ONE SEED suitably got an ACE?

TJS 9:57 AM  

Are the puzzles this week indicating a trend ? If this represents the best the NYT has to offer, I'm thinking of changing my morning routine. This is a Thursday effort ? No, this is an embarrassing waste of time. IMO, of course.

Anonymous 10:07 AM  

After a few really horrible puzzles recently, this was refreshing. I liked the theme and it used the requisite one letter per square beautifully. I actually used the perennial "STL" instead of the Chicago team. And I must agree, always saw the Cubs as CHC and White Sox as CHW. Oh, well.

puzzlehoarder 10:18 AM  

I did this on my phone last night and it took me the same amount of time as yesterday's solve. Apparently most people found it easier than I did but I don't recall the SW being anymore difficult than the rest of the puzzle.

Nice to see my old SB friend BONOBO. What do you call it when a BONOBO marries two chimpanzees?

BIGGAME

I think 47D is a partial. Shouldn't it read PARKITBITCH.

I momentarily had a CHEVRON/OMICRON write over supported by a VESSEL/CHISEL write over. Shades of a possible NW rewrite.

Ethan Taliesin 10:19 AM  

As easy as this was, I didn't (and still don't really) understand "ONESEED."

Some commenter here wrote this is about tennis. I checked it out and saw "number one seed" being used as a phrase, but not "one seed."

jberg 10:20 AM  

I put in HIGH PRO, and spent a little time wondering whether people might actually say HIGH PROF-- but then I checked 21-D, saw the "-" and I was off to the races. My biggest problems were need before HAVE TO, ATE away before INTO, top before ONE, and wondering whether SHAD were really herringlike. According to the Internet, they are herring relatives, but bigger, I guess. All pretty easy to fix.

PCT i.e., per cent, and PER in the grid are pushing the rules a bit.

In addition to damsel (@Joe DiPinto) there are chapel and (from old crime novels) gunsel. But none of them have the Z sound, so maybe that's what Rex meant.

POOH Corner isn't a street intersection, it's an are in the 100 acre wood; Also the title of Milne's second and last Pooh book.

albatross shell 10:21 AM  

@Nancy
NCAA basketball tournament uses it. They have four ONESEEDs.

Whatsername 10:23 AM  

What clever constructors to figure out this appealing theme! A Thursday the way Thursdays ought to be. I first thought it was going to be a rebus but the DROP DOWN trick was even better. The part I liked best was the low level of PPP. And not a EVEN a whisper of Harry Potter or rap music. But we did get MR TOAD, Teri GARR and POOH. Lovely.

My only slip up was ORB WEAVER at 11D and a shame it didn’t fit because it would HAVE blended nicely with the other life forms reflected in the grid. I guess technically there’s a “SPIDER” but a COMIC character isn’t quite the same. Didn’t blink at putting CHI for Chicago. CHC just looks weird to me.

TATA. Time to PARK IT and spend another day in the hot as HADES Midwest, praying my AC keeps running. 🙏

albatross shell 10:27 AM  
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Joseph Michael 10:34 AM  

Gee, another computer-related theme. I like the literal DROP DOWN answers, but would really like to spend my crossword time thinking about something other than my PC.

DEF cool clue for OCELOTS (favorite moment) and fun to see SPIDERMAN dangling over the OCEAN.

But what is the curriculum for POLI SCIRKS?

Anonymous 10:40 AM  

since the desecration by inter-league play, and thus not having games within each league, I guess CHI had to go, since the team may be playing outside its real league that day. further destruction of Western Civilization. was that a Trump idea? he's now telling golfers to sign up with LIV, because a MERGER (his caps) will happen. note to self: this is the self same jerk who forced the Original USFL to move to a Fall Schedule to force the NFL to accept a merger. he, and the league, went bankrupt. such a great plan: Make Americanfootball Great Again.
"In spite of all of these changes, the USFL would never play a fall game."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Football_League#Spring_schedule_vs._fall_schedule

Anonymous 10:52 AM  

@Nancy there are other sports than just tennis.

jae 10:56 AM  

Yep easy, and easier than yesterday’s for me. I caught the drop down part of the theme at FILE and the early reveal made the SE go quickly. IdES before INES was it for erasures. Fun Thursday, liked it but, @Rex et. al., too easy for a Thursday.

Anonymous 10:58 AM  

Probably these counties are named for the young General Nathaniel Greene, who won a critical battle of the Revolutionary War for us. Greensboro NC also.

egsforbreakfast 11:05 AM  

@Nancy. ONESEED gets used a lot in basketball, both college and pro (as if there’s any real difference any more). For example:

1-Seeds | BracketResearch.comhttps://bracketresearch.com › seed-analysis › 1-seeds
Final: 1-seeds have won 63% of the past 35 tournaments and 7 of the last 10! They are 15-5 against lower-seeded opponents. Record in the Second Round. vs 8- ...

But I can understand your assumption that tennis was the subject, since ACE and NET appear just below ONESEED.

Do Bostonians say ahMICRahN?

Anonymous 11:16 AM  

That’s exactly who I thought off!

old timer 11:37 AM  

No problem here and I got the trick early on. I just wanted to remind you that POOH lives under the name of Sanders.

Nancy 11:59 AM  

Aw shucks -- I guess there are sports other than tennis. :)

No, I didn't notice the ACE and the NET below ONE SEED. Noticing coincidences like that in a grid isn't especially my thing -- though I'm aware that other solvers notice stuff like that all the time. I suspect it was completely unintentional in this case, don't you think? Without both ACE and NET in there, the STORE CR[EDIT] themer gets futzed up completely.

Anonymous 12:10 PM  

The Super Bowl is a term used only by permission (I.e. payment) as it is copyrighted. To refer to the event otherwise, The Big Game is used.

Masked and Anonymous 12:20 PM  

yep. Kinda easyish theme mcguffin, for a ThursPuz. M&A kept tryin to overthink* it, addin layers that would only be dared to be pulled off in runtpuzs. Cute theme idea, btw.
*Overthink example: Thought maybe the MENU stuff like FILE would then somehow expand in another direction into OPEN or CLOSE or SAVE, or somesuch. That'd be cool, huh?

POLISCI? Not POLYSCI, anymore? day-um … Another one of them OCHER/OCHRE deals, to try and keep straight.

no-knows: GREENE, of course. CTO was also more or less unfamiliar. Are all C?O combos up for grabs? Looks like the Secret Service must have a CWO, I'd grant. [Chief WhatTexts Officer].

HOTPOT. har

some of the many faves: EVENPAR clue. SPIDERMAN. DARTGUN. HAWKISH.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Crinnion darlin & Mr. Bornstein dude. Primo fillins, btw. And congratz to POLISCI, on its debut.

Masked & AnonymoUUs


**gruntz**

CDilly52 12:32 PM  

Thank you constructors for a “Beginner Thursday” as @Rex mentioned. Long time solvers of this and crosswords in general learn the various idiosyncrasies of each publications patterns and habits over time, as it should be, or should be for the most part. But for the NYTXW - Thursdays especially - I applaud a puzzle such as this, a “teaching moment” of sorts.

@OffTheGrid led off this morning with an excellent comment that describes so many convoluted Thursdays: “so weirdly unconventional that the fun disappears.” So much so perhaps that a newer solver might just give up.

Today, however provides a clear roadmap and is easy but not boring. The obvious takeaway, that a - means continue on (could be in one of several ways) without a new separate clue. I recall how confusing I found that practice as a very new (and chronologically young) solver. Anyway, today provided a delightfully easy yet not boring Thursday that will, I sincerely hope lead to more from this team. The lack of pop singers, other “propers” and of the moment (as in yesterday on Insta) current cultural references pleased me enormously as did the presence of the OCELOTS, such beautiful and clever felines.

Breezy, tight, clever and thoroughly enjoyable!

CDilly52 12:33 PM  

And RATFINK took me right back to junior high!

CDilly52 12:36 PM  

@DianeJoan 7:40 AM. “Sweetly sentimental” indeed! You and OffThe Grid with “weirdly unconventional” (describing oh so many Thursdays) nailed it. Perfect description.

CDilly52 12:38 PM  

Thanks @Southside. Love Robyn’s work; I shall check it out.

Ride the Reading 1:09 PM  

Took way longer to finish this puzzle than it should have. Maybe I get psyched out by Thursdays.

At least part of the delay was the incorrect answer that quickly went in at 11D: Charlotte. Didn't take too long before doubts about it crept in, but so wanted it to be right....Can't be the only one who made that mistake!

Anonymous 1:10 PM  

I imagine it’s been said, but 23-across is 100% inaccurate, and it’s in the clueing. Yes, before interleague play, you’d see CHI and NY, but the clue clearly states NL Central…as long as there has been an NL central (est. 1994), it’s been CHC. If you really want to go there (and it’s Thursday, so this seems fair): NL Central team, on scoreboards, once (or variant to point out it’s not what it is now)

JC66 1:22 PM  

POLISCI

Short for POLItical SCIence.

Anonymous 1:26 PM  

dang you @JC66! I had a delicious explanation ready to type in. the crux being: it's not POLY because it's not about multiple sciences. not at all sure, any more, there's any science left in politics.

Aelurus 1:40 PM  

Got the trick early (agree that hyphen for the three downs is a giveaway) but had mixed feelings about this puzzle. For me bits of it were a workout, and I liked that a lot. Also liked SPIDERMAN, POOH, MR TOAD, and, as clued, ETUDES. Pairing INFAMY and VETO POWER is a hopeful thought. Thanks to Rex for pointing out that the drop-down parts of the themers are actual menu items, not just random words.

Not that fond of: EVEN PAR, CHI, ONE SEED, BIG GAME, i.e., the sports group; CTO (still don’t know and should remember to look it up...maybe); INES; LET; AM I.

The thing about OCELOTs is that turning their ankle joints around means they can climb up a tree head first and then climb back down head first, an unusual feline ability.

My favorite is BONOBO because at 4A I thought, Well, maybe a male swan is also a tOm? Which made mON_B_, which teased some synapses into remembering a faint ending of ONOBO, and then the first B dropped from who knows where into place. So satisfying to know lots of words are still rattling around in my brain even though I hardly use them. Another reason to love crosswords.

Thank you, Anne Marie and Eric!

bigsteve46 1:41 PM  

I am only a sporadic poster and I note, to my discredit, that my last couple have been on the grumpy side so today I have only nice things to say about the constructor, the commenters and --even - Rex! I happen to be in a good mood since I just got my 10-year-old, 120,000 miles + car back from the garage with the assurance that the problems I was worrying about were just in my mind. After a 20 mile highway tryout, I agree. So good cheer to one and all and onto the next 120,000 miles!! (Or as they would have said to me years ago down on the lower east side, "You should live so long!")

Anonymous 1:58 PM  

the BONOBO handshake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sociosexual_behaviour

ah, if humans were only so enlightened.

pmdm 1:58 PM  

A very pleasant puzzle for a Thursday, one that seems to have pleased many, based on the comments. But I would think the repetition of ease on a Thursday would quickly be considered more bad than good.

Over at XWordInfo.com, Jim complains bitterly about the clue for étude. Perhaps if you are an experienced performer like Emmanuel Ax, such a piece might be considered a "warm-up." But very obviously whoever edited the puzzle is not a pianist.

Gary Jugert 2:21 PM  

@TJS 9:57 AM I have draped myself in Swami robes braided from butterfly wings by Pixies. I have pulled the glowing crystal orb from its chest built from exotic woods harvested by virgins of the Borneo rainforests and assembled by whistling gnomes in the land of the Celts. I have lit a single candle on a candelabra so ornate it causes lascivious loins to erupt in any who dare to handle it bare handed. I've closed the draperies and whispers from the ghosts of deceased nuns cause wind chimes to tinkle in the rhythm of distant galaxies. I gaze through the smoke of incense burning in a statue of Amun Ra and see into the future. It says you will continue to do New York Times crossword puzzles and you will comment on dozens of them by the day Santa Claus arrives. The Oracle of Denver has spoken.

Anonymous 2:37 PM  

well... etude(s) are written as 'practice' pieces, that's the French word. so, yeah, if one is 'warming up' then one will be performing, presumably for an audience (perhaps solely one's dogmatic piano teacher), in a little while. an etude or two would be good practice for the performance. warm up the digits, and all that.

Joe Dipinto 2:56 PM  

@pmdm – I saw Jim Horne's pet peeve remark, and thought, I don't remember ETUDE(S) ever being clued as a "warm-up piece" before. And it hasn't been, at least not in the Times. So I don't know what he's on about. How can something be a "pet peeve" if it's happened only once in 100+ instances?

egsforbreakfast 3:03 PM  

I don’t like Jim Horne’s attETUDE.

Thursday Group 3:15 PM  

The issue with the NL Central scoreboard clue is that MLB scoreboards do not appear to be standardized. The Cubs appear as CHC on most, but not all.

I did find this image on MLB's site:
https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-photos/image/upload/ar_16:9,g_auto,q_auto:good,w_2608,c_fill,f_jpg/fastball/3077622c-035b-438e-b27f-45029b5bc738_home.jpg
That shows the Cubs playing against the hosting Chicago White Sox, and the Cubs are abbreviated as CHI

I agree with the comment above about how this was not much of an issue before interleague play. It now appears that they list the game under the league of the home team. But as you can see in the same image, there are a couple issues with this. The Mets (NL) appear as NY, while the Yankees (AL) appear as NYY. Also, the Dodgers (NL) are shown as LA, while the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (most notably NOT in Los Angeles county) (AL) are shown as LAA. It's a bit of a mess

sharonak 3:32 PM  

@Eggsforbreakfast
I think it more likely that one would read (either around or mentally 1-seed as number one seed.
I was one of those who found "one seed" off.

Anonymous 3:43 PM  

who is Jim Horne?

Anoa Bob 3:44 PM  
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Anoa Bob 3:45 PM  

The recent weather news suggests that Texas isn't the only place where the doors of HADES have been flung wide open. Some of yous may be substituting your own states into the catch phrase "If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell".

I have a tool box drawer full of just about every kind of CHISEL there is but I don't own one that is, as clued, an "Icebreaker?" Anybody out there in Commentaristan have an icebreaker CHISEL? A long, long time ago, the go to icebreaker would have been an icepick.

Does anyone use POLI SCI or POLItical SCIence anymore? I thought that area of study was called Government nowadays.

To me a DART GUN is a device for tranquilizing feral animals, for reducing irritability or agitation via some anesthetic drug that is injected when the DART penetrates the animals hide. Yeah, I guess shooting your brother or sister with a DART GUN might "bother a sibling".

Joe Dipinto 4:14 PM  

@Anon 12:10 – The term Super Bowl is a registered trademark, not a copyright. You can't copyright a name or title.

MetroGnome 5:00 PM  

Still Natick'd on MR TOAD and DEF. Only SEED I could think of was TOP SEED --never heard of ONE SEED.

Anonymous 5:01 PM  

@Anoa Bob:

could be worse. one could be in Olde Western Europe. virtually no A/C in any country, and thermometer temps ~100F. climate change? Fake News. at least TX has a history of fobbing off responsibility for their very own electrical grid. rich white folks can afford those Generac machines. everybody else, not so much. states' rights, you betcha. London was only near 80 today. Monday and Tuesday - 100. normal July high - 70.
Paris - same
Berlin - same, but Tuesday & Wednesday
Madrid - yikes! 100 or better from a week Tuesday to Monday

you get the picture.

new, off the press: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/07/05/more-frequent-european-heat-waves-linked-to-changes-in-jet-stream/

Peter Strauss 5:04 PM  

Omicron does not follow Xi.
Dead wrong.
Omega follows Xi.
Nobody caught that. Amazing.

Breakfast Tester 5:19 PM  


Speaking of Nerf... If you're under 18 and can't wait to get your hands on an assault rifle, don't worry, Nerf has a whole line of AR guns to whet your appetite.

https://nerf.hasbro.com/en-us/product/nerf-fortnite-ar-e-blaster:5C0C82F7-8B0B-429C-9E4B-39A9B30DE9AC

Anonymous 5:44 PM  

@Peter Strauss:

show your work: which alphabet says that. the ones I have show Xi (or Ksi) as preceding Omicron. Omega follows Psi. Omega, for reasons well known, is always listed as the Zed of (ancient) Greek.

Bad Mouse 5:45 PM  

@Breakfast Tester:

May haps civilians should only be able to purchase those versions?

Plato 6:09 PM  

@Peter Strauss - You are wrong! Omega follows Psi. Try googling first if you have doubts.

albatross shell 6:15 PM  

Xi is 14th letter. OMICRON 15th letter. Omega follows psi. Psi follows chi. Chi is written like an X but is not Xi. Weird but true.

egsforbreakfast 6:57 PM  

@Peter Strauss. That was an amazing catch by you. Unfortunately, though, Omicron does follow Xi. Omega follows Psi.

dgd 7:26 PM  

"Nerf" is a brand of soft darts for kids

dgd 7:32 PM  

Yes he can go off too much on business people but here he has a legitimate complaint about all the subcategories of execs and subsequent initialisms. In the past it was only ceo commonly used. now it seems there is an endless supply of them.

Bass 8:00 PM  

Really, CTO has been around so long the comment shouldn't be that it's unfamiliar it should be that it's "old" fill.

Silicon Valley boom / bust anyone?

Z 9:52 PM  

I really don’t understand some of the talk around Super Bowl™️. So what? If I’m a sports analyst discussing the Super Bowl™️ why would I need to call it “the BIG GAME?” If I’m comparing Coke and Pepsi I use their trademarked names. I guess the NFL may try to sue, but do they have a leg to stand on?

Gridlinked 11:02 PM  

When I was memorizing the Greek alphabet some years ago my girlfriend thought it so dumb. Hah! It comes in very handy

Anonymous 11:27 PM  

Open up Google, type "the house at". The first suggestion is this crossword clue, with the blank, not the book itself. Red flag.

Anonymous 12:03 AM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EngJslpxuHA

Right back to junior high indeed.

albatross shell 9:55 AM  
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albatross shell 11:07 AM  

@Zed
The problem is not commentators commenting it is businesses churches and I presume tv and radio shows advertising a Super Bowl show or event. The NFL wants licensing money to approve it. (Also to prevent Child Molesters Super Bowl films). They tried to trademark or copyright (whichever) The BIG Game too since that is what people used to avoid the problem. Thus the clue-answer. The Big Game Car Sale.

@Anoa
Google ice chisel. Used in splitting blocks of ice and ice fishing. Not much of the latter in Texas.

@anon1127
Search engine manipulation. Not a red flag. Search any distinctive NYT clue the day the puzzle comes out.

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Anonymous 12:18 AM  

Yes I have the same complaint about 23 Across. The Chicago Cubs on scoreboards are CHC, not CHI.

Anonymous 2:25 AM  

Old school. Watch a few James Cagney flicks.

kitshef 3:56 PM  

Margays can swivel their ankles, too, so "uniquely" is flat out wrong in that clue.

Great idea for a puzzle, alas executed with a Tuesday level of difficulty. I would have loved for this to have more fight in it.

Anonymous 6:30 AM  

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thefogman 11:36 AM  

I didn’t find it too easy at all. It felt about right for a Thursday, but as they say “your mileage may vary”. For some reason it took a while to solve the SE corner including 63A ONESEED (Favorite) and 52D OCEAN (Continental divide). The NW corner was tough to finish too but it came together once I got CARP and THIGH. Funny that OMICRON was clued with a non-COVID clue. I guess to make it more Thursday level in difficulty. I liked the gimmick although I think I’ve seen it before. It loses a few points for not being elegantly symmetrical. CHI could have avoided the controversy by being clued Showtime TV series starring Jacob Latimore The ____. Not an ACE but nothing really IRKS me here. Overall I would give it EVENPAR in terms of challenge, enjoyment and execution.

Burma Shave 12:16 PM  

POOH POOH ADO

HON, your STORY's NOTNEW,
EVEN TO a PARTNER as I,
LET me HAVE the HOT VIEW
ONCE I EASE my hand THIGH HIGH.

--- LON "DOC" GREENE

rondo 12:27 PM  

Since inter-league play began the Cubs have been CHC. Poor editing. Write-over there and at topSEED.
My chance at wordle birdie was blown.

Anonymous 5:42 PM  

@kitshef 3:56pm :
Other names for the margay are: tree ocelot, and little ocelot. Does that fall within Joaquin's Dictum?

spacecraft 7:32 PM  

Doesn't belong this late. Hard to find a more straightforward theme (at least until it DROPs DOWN). Solved backward: used the first couple themers to solve the revealer! Nothing IRKS me; not much to CARP about. Clue for SPIDERMAN was great. Tuesday or Wednesday, birdie for sure. Today one might want a few more teeth; we ATEINTO some pretty soft stuff. It IS POLISCI: for POLItical SCIence, not "poly-" anything. For the CHI clue, all you have to do is insert an F between the N and the L, and you're fine. No DOD; 16-across.

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