Word of the Day: WILEY POST (31A: First person to fly solo around the world (1933)) —
Wiley Hardeman Post (November 22, 1898 – August 15, 1935) was a famed American aviator during the interwar period and the first pilot to fly solo around the world. Also known for his work in high-altitude flying, Post helped develop one of the first pressure suits and discovered the jet stream. On August 15, 1935, Post and American humorist Will Rogers were killed when Post's aircraft crashed on takeoff from a lagoon near Point Barrow in the Territory of Alaska.
Your sense of difficulty will likely depend heavily on your familiarity with the (considerable amount of) names in today's puzzle, but for me, this was a cinch. Far easier than yesterday's. Much easier (and more pleasurable) for me to work around a name I don't know (or in the case of WILEY POST, only vaguely know) than to have to wonder what a lot of trying-too-hard clues are doing with their awkward wording and trickery. I do think this one is mayyyyybe a little heavy on the names, though that may simply be because names are in such marquee positions (e.g. 1-Across, 2/5 of that center stack). In fact, it's really the stack of COTILLARD and WILEY POST, not far from EDWARD I and PANETTA, that creates the illusion of overall name-iness. I don't think the puzzle actually has any more names than your average puzzle. But today's are long names, in crucial positions, so they might've factored heavily in whether you sailed through the puzzle (like me) or didn't. I once wrote an article on "Braveheart," so EDWARD I was a gimme at 1A: "Braveheart" villain, and as so often happens, a 1-Across gimme heralded an easy puzzle.
I did that NW corner about as fast as I've done any themeless corner ever. ILE RHINO NARWHAL and the whole thing just fell. Was not confident that the momentum would continue, given how utterly cut off that section is from the rest of the grid, but I just guessed the SCIENCE part of DATA SCIENCE, and then, as with EDWARD I, I just *knew* COTILLARD, and SOLFEGE, and I was off and (really) running. WILEY POST was by far the biggest stumbling block for me, but even there, once I got some crosses, despite not really knowing who he was, his name drifted into consciousness, and I never felt anywhere close to legitimately stuck.
Despite the fact that DATA SCIENCE crossing LOGIC GATE tried very hard to put me to sleep, I thought most of this was [CHEF'S KISS]! Front-page article about New York POT FARMs in my paper yesterday, so [Joint venture?] was totally transparent to me. I only know the phrase CABS IT from doing the NYTXW. Seems a very NYC thing. A very last-century NYC thing. But one of the perks of doing this damn puzzle over decades is you pick up a lot of regionalisms and slang and place names and what not, which you then end up encountering again solely in crosswords, which creates a kind of crossword-produced, imaginary, composite NYC, made up of all the NYCs that ever were since about the '20s. I wonder what would happen if I tried to draw an NYC map if I only knew about NYC from crosswords. Let's see, there's the BQE and MOMA and ... NEDICK'S on every corner, maybe? Anyway ... CABS IT! And if someone asks you to look after their cab while they're out of town, well then you CAB SIT. Sounds made up, yes, but so does NEDICK'S, so ... CAB SIT. "I was cabsitting outside the Nedick's at 88th and Lex when this pug* named Roscoe ..." — and all of a sudden you've got yourself a Damon Runyon story!
This puzzle could've used a little more oomph in the cluing, if only because it feels at times like a trivia test. There are a few "?" clues (a few is the appropriate number, btw), and they're solid, but most of what you get today in the clue department is exceedingly straightforward. I like that the "monodon monoceros" (NARWHAL) is crossing the RHINO(ceros). Horny-faced creatures of the world, unite! The weirdest moment of the solve for me was a malapop—this is a term for when you want an answer that ends up being wrong ... but then that wrong answer ends up being *right* elsewhere in the grid! I think Andrea Carla Michaels coined that term a long time ago. Sounds like a niche term, but it happens an Awful lot. Today, I considered "AW DANG!" at 4D: "Oh, darn!" ("AW RATS!"), and that "G" made me think DREG for 26A: Bottom of the barrel (LEES). Fast forward to—11D: Remnant (DREG). DREG is such a weird word to see in the singular that this particular malapop feels deeply strange. But there it is! Overall, I enjoyed this suitably Saturday-level solving experience, even if the trivia (right in my wheelhouse) failed to really put me through the WRINGER (3D: Metaphor for a difficult ordeal) (which I sometimes quite enjoy on a Saturday). See you tomorrow.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
*"pug" is old-timey slang for "pugilist" or "boxer," but if you want it to be a dog, I think the story still works.
Not "easy" for me but lower half easier and hence more fun than top half. As @Rex said, the names slowed me down and I had to work into that area from below. Don't like CABS as verb. Pretty much a just right Saturday for me, difficult but doable. I might have looked up one of the names.
This was an unusually easy Saturday puzzle, but not like early week easy because the names were from a while back and some of the fill (LEES DREG, e.g.) were right out of crossword Central Casting. But overall, not an unpleasant solve. I do dislike DREG singular, though. Only time I have seen it used in its singular rather than “the dregs” is in crosswords.
The surprise se today for me was to open the app, see what looked like a rather classic “big stacks” grid, often a harbinger of rough seas only to discover a welcome mat laud in the NW corner and smooth sailing. As rarely happens, my solve was very much like OFL’s today and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Not that there were too many names but today’s selection of names took me time to work around. Didn’t know that CHEFSKISS was a thing but not too hard to imagine it. AMIRITE seemed a little bit if a cheat and not sure why there weren’t other alternatives.
Mostly a stroll through the park. But ... knowing nothing about circuit building blocks and never having watched "Law & Order" brought me to a halt in downtown Natick where LOGIC GATE met LENNIE. Fortunately, there was an adjacent POT FARM to help ease my misery.
Ouch. Just, ouch. Not on my wavelength at all! First off, I had NARWahL, so that tripped me up right from the get go. Put RHINO in. Took RHINO out several times since I believe that clue needed a '..., informally'. In what universe is AMIRIght spelled AMIRITE?! Misread 8D as States instead of Status, so erroneously put in sEz instead of REP! SLalomSKIER before ALPINESKIER. COTILLARD over WILEYPOST crossing SOLFEGE was a death sentence for the middle for me. Brain got so hopelessly overwhelmed that I couldn't see SET at 39A. It just never got better for me. Sigh.
PPP right out of the gate at 1A always dampens the mood for me. This one was compounded by the fact that the next three entries in that section (NARWHAL, AMIRITE and MANANA) are barely even real words - and they aren’t even clued (sorry, EH? Is not a clue and stuff in foreign languages and other gibberish don’t count as clues in my book).
That NW section then fed into COTILLARD and WILEY POST and I gave up any hope of finding a crossword puzzle today. Rex loved it; just not for me. Hopefully others will have a similar experience to OFL’s.
A little too much trivia for a Saturday - but like Rex I knew most of them so it went smooth. Have seen POST’s plane at the museum in DC. Not a huge fan of using RITE. The redundancy of ALPINE SKIER seemed awkward.
I like the aggressive look of the grid - but the highlight should be the center and that’s where this falls flat. DATA SCIENCE, SOLFÈGE, DIY KITS etc are not great.
As a computer engineer I was thrilled to see logic gate and data science in the puzzle. Not sure why folks have to infer, “tech terms put me to sleep”. Makes me sad.
Could CHEF'S KISS please get lost, permanently? And take AMIRITE with you? Go hang out at Nedick's.
CABS IT is hardly last century. NYCers say it all the time. (Nedick's, however, is long gone.)
Funny, I mentioned pancetta in yesterday's thread and who shows up today but Leon PANETTA.
I thought this puzz was pretty boring. Data science meets logic gate meets phone line. @Gary Jugert will probably come up with some good Uniclues though.
So it goes from time to time as a resident of Rexland:
Yesterday, I breezed through the puzzle 3 1/2 minutes below average, with nary a hiccup, while Rex used words like "challenging" and "mediumish".
Today, a near-total slogfest, clocking in almost 2 minutes slower than average, only to find Rex describe it as "easy," a "cinch," "pleasurable," and "far easier than yesterday."
And the SuperG clue had me trying to remember my mid-Atlantic supermarket chains.
I grew up in Oklahoma, so 31A was a gimme. A secondary airport in NW Oklahoma City is named after him (the primary one is Will Rogers).
Never saw Braveheart, so the ending "I" threw me, trying to figure out why an Italian would figure into Scottish history. The brain doesn't always work well in the morning.
Had BREAD instead of SUGAR at 39D and ASADAS instead of KABOBS at 45A that slowed things for a bit.
I guess the no repeat rule is no longer in force: HASTO, ISTO. Others have pointed it out in the past.
Each to their own on difficulty. Despite, or because of, all the tricky clues, yesterday was a Saturday record by far for me. Today, I could only finish because my husband had heard of some of those not famous people.
But, I know that cabs still roam NYC, an NYC luxury warming the world. And like others, I have no clue why amirite is an answer.
But a few good clues, like for egg toss added to a pleasant Sunday. Thank you John.
So 3 says this is easy because he has read or seen Braveheart. I have not, so this was a nice challenge. BUT, We can't just create alternate spellings. Only RIGHT can be right. Rite is a bar mitzvah. And nobody in the world (at least NYC which after all is the world) ever says CABSIT
TESLA crossing COTIL (wasn't sure of the rest of Marion's last name, wanted it to end in iARD) got me started. I had a brief moment of uh oh when the SW seemed impenetrable but EXE DIS got me a foothold there. The SE was the easiest sector by far, for me.
Why do I not remember ever hearing about WILEY POST? Seems like his would be a household name but not in my house. Sorry WILEY.
While this puzzle by no means put me through the WRINGER, it did have a bit of a crunch. Thanks, John Lieb!
Holy smokes is spelling and tortured verbs a new frontier for making things needlessly goofy? CABS IT, AMIRITE and KABOBS is how I'd use English if I was drunk, lonely and hungry.
On the other hand I am the master of writing NARWHAL straight into the squares with so much confidence I'm almost insufferable.
This one wasn't for me. Really uninteresting words with humorless Saturday clues. I had to research every single person in the puzzle.
Uniclues:
1 Make excessive taxes more palatable by expelling the Jewish population. 2 Fatty BBQ 3 Three people on four folding chairs in a skit. 4 Hurts Small of Steinbeck. 5 Financial advisor's recommendation on how Laurence Tureaud could make extra money. 6 Mud pie: what and why.
1 EDWARD I RAW DEAL 2 UNFIT KABOBS 3 AIR TAXI RETINUE 4 DAMAGES LENNIE 5 "REP DIY KITS, MR. T" 6 EAT DIRT. NO POINT.
Definition of AMIRITE from The Free Dictionary idioms section: ‘ amirite. A comical way of writing "am I right," an interjection used to foster agreement or stimulate further conversation. He's a fool, amirite? ‘
Haven't seen Braveheart and do not think of ENAMELS as "veneers". The NW was therefore beyond dismal. See also the LOGICGATE/SOLFEGE cross. Oh dear.
At least I knew WILEYPOST and ALPINESKIER (as opposed to nordic skier) instantly, and after that the highlights were sparse. Also, I'm never sure which spelling of KABOBS is called for, lots of variations for that one.
WRINGER was fun to see as I just finished one of those Spenser novels by someone continuing the original author's series. In one case he used "put through the ringer" (sic) and in another described someone as "getting their (body part) caught in a ringer" (also sic). This apparently eluded the editors as well and made me wonder what exactly the author and/or editors think a "ringer" actually is. No help there from spellcheck either, evidently.
Crunchy enough, JL. Just Like a bowl of rock cereal. Thanks for some fun, at least.
An illegitimate puzzle! We must never, ever, ever accept misspelled words—and on a Saturday, no less! This feels like putting on a too-small, wet, swimsuit.
We say "cab it" (and "Uber it") here in San Francisco. Easier to say than "take a cab."
On Jeff Chen, Jim Horne gave AMIRITE the side eye.
Another sign that I'm losing it. I had CHE?SKISS. Even after running the alphabet, I didn't see CHEFSKISS. A delightful phrase that I've seen before. I turn 88 on Sunday.
Apparently "amirite" is an internet slang spelling. I've personally never seen it before, but I still "cab it" vs."Uber it" when in NYC so guess I'm just old.
Hey All ! My NW corner was opposite of Rex. Toughest part for me. How often does one see NARWHAL (in a puz, or IRL?), and I dang sure didn't know its scientific name. Sheesh. Then the clue for 19 A, huh? I'm sure that'll raise @Southside Johnny's ire. (I believe it's him that hates foreign-ese? Yes? No?)
So Googed the NARWHAL, which got me to complete that corner, thereby completing the puz, and getting the Happy Music. False Happy Music, though, as also Googed for 2 other unknowns, COTILLARD and WILEY POST. Last letter in was the G at the SOLFE_E/LOGIC_ATE cross. Hmm, says I, flipping through the "I-know-this-from-previous-puzs" rolodex in the ole brain, finding SOLFEGE. So threw in that G, and viola, finished!
Came to the blog exhausted and sweating, only to find Rex rate it easy! Good stuff.
WIN OR LOSE went through atallcOSt, atanycOSt, ____risk, and probably a few others. SE corner was easiest and quickest for me.
Seeing as how bad I did on YesterBee, maybe understandable I didn't do all too well on today's puz. Having LOGIC fade here. Har.
yd -16 (including 4 P's!)(ouch!), however, should'ves 15, so unclear why my brain was stuck.
AMIRITE is in the dictionary, look it up. I see it/use it all the time. It’s an informal spelling, considered “internet speech” by some, but given that the internet is several decades old and is a well-established source of novel vocabulary, I’d say that “internet speech” is just speech speech at this point. Amirite?
Easy? More like a Saturday stumper which put me completely through the WRINGER by the time I finished. Things fell beautifully from the NW to the SE although the isolated corners made it challenging. However the opposite sides were nearly empty. The SW in particular resulted in some seriously GNASHED teeth before I was done. Had CARBS at 39D, did not know LENNIE or LOGIC GATE, couldn’t see POT FARM and stubbornly resisted 33A. Yes, I have a have a plan for my cell PHONE but there’s no LINE there. Picky I know, but I just didn’t like that clue.
I kept trying to come up with some kind of coin that got lost in the cushions before finally realizing my carbs should be SUGAR which finally broke the dam open. Kind of ironic really since I lost my REMOTE not too long ago, lost it so badly that I gave up and ordered a new one. I finally found it -yes, between the cushion and the sofa arm - but in a different sofa in a different room than the one where it belonged. Apparently I carried it in there on my way to do something else. Who knows? Yet another senior moment. 🙄
I loved WILEY POST and CHEFS KISS crossing WHO IS THAT. Who among us hasn’t looked at old pictures and asked that very question? Then you get it a little closer and squint, as if that’s gonna help. Lots of unidentified relatives in our family albums.
"God despises the hoi polloi"?? "Desperate day of the hoi polloi"?
What on earth does "dia despues de hoy" mean??? I DO NOT SPEAK SPANISH!
I did study Latin, but I don't think we got as far as "monodon monoceros". Everything we learned was about Caesar and his soldiers and their horses. I don't think we even learned how to say "hello" or "goodbye" or "how's it going?" I know I didn't learn how to say "where's the ladies room?" No wonder it's a dead language.
The entire NW of the puzzle seemed to be in gibberish. I went elsewhere on what I was hoping would be a "faith solve" in Lewis's words or a "keep-the-faith puzzle" in my own. (Lewis and I coined our terms separately and unknown from each other -- sort of like Edison and TESLA. Great minds and all that.)
But there was to be no "solve" at all, faith or otherwise. The middle of the puzzle was impossible too. Have you ever seen CHG on a receipt? Me neither -- at least I don't think I have. That was my only hope in the LOGICGATE (huh???)/CHEF'S KISS (that's what it's called? I did have SKISS, though)/PHONE LINE (hate that clue/answer!) section of the puzzle. So getting back to the highly segmented NW from there was impossible.
I cheated on EDWARD I and checked JENNIE/BENNIE/LENNIE for the Briscoe character -- but no help at all. A rare DNF, but a big one.
Cabsit ( Cabit is even more common) is indeed current. And it’s not only current in Manhattan, but, at a minimum, Philly as well. Haven’t spent enough time in Chicago, but I’m guessing it’s widely used there too.
Anon 8:02, Because almost all the people in media are barely able to handle arithmetic. So, unable to succeed at math, science, tech, they poo poo it. Rex, and his ilk are sure, convinced down to to their bones, that women’s studies, anthropology, Manga comics are not only more interesting than data science and logic gates, but more worthy. That’s why they sniff and say ridiculous, and as you imply, insulting things.
Lost me with all the proper nouns - no recognition at all for solfège, cottilard, Wiley post, and couldn’t bring to mind Panetta. This seems an “unfair” placement of fairly obscure proper names.
Also chef’s kiss has evolved online esp Twitter to be a mocking gesture so had trouble with that.
Pick a card...any card. And I did! I drew the aces I needed, I got up to the mirror and tried to wipe my smile away. I couldn't...I left it and then danced through the tulips. This was (ahem) easy for me. For a change!. I remembered things I had forgotten...scritch scratch here and there. YES...I knew WILEY POST and I know COTILLARD and I saw "Braveheart" so EDWARD was an entree worth a Saturday delicious meal. Two changes needed for me. At first I had DATA Systems but my acrosses saved my RAW PANETTA bacon on top of an egg. I love when that happens. I've never heard of LOGIC GATE but it was easy to get...don't you think? I CHEF KISS all the time and I watch some of the Super G slalom skiers and I loved the clue for NARWHAL and, so....I danced. Rarely can I finish a Saturday without some help. Today, I did. It is most satisfying. I urge some of you that just throw your hat down and stomp on it, to take your time and chisel through. You can do it! AMIRITE?
You honestly think cabs are one of the leading causes of global warming? Would it better if the population of NYC owned cars? We don't. Our carbon footprint is pretty damned small. Most of us don't own cars. We take public transportation and yes, we take cabs. In the middle of the night, when we're not feeling young and spry or when we have take kids places. For most people, it's not a luxury. It's just another form of transportation. And you young people who are all over climate change, you're the ones getting your Ubers. For a few blocks. And those are gas guzzlers, no?
So apparently AMIRITE is an actual thing with a very specific meaning. When you google it, the definition that crops up is, "am I right? (used to invite confirmation or assert that one's previous statement is correct)"
And apparently, the correct spelling is as one word: "amirite."
This is all completely new news to me. I have never seen "amirite" written anywhere, ever. But it seems to be legit.
Difficult? Easy? Does it not hinge on whether you at least have a slight notion of a word like SOLFEGE? Solvers, its all wheelhouses and wave lengths. DNF? No shame.
But I kinda wish Rex would ditch the "difficulty" rating. Just discuss the crossword puzzle. There's still plenty to talk about.
Easy-medium. Slightly easier than yesterday’s for me. storyLINE before PHONE, misspelling WILEY, and not seeing DIYKITS were my major hang ups. Fun Saturday, liked it.
Everyone's compaining about AMIRITE (agree, pretty awful!) without mentioning the worst thing about it. It's the clue, "Eh? Eh?" The completely mystifying "Eh? Eh?" produced yet another of my great unfilled spaces today.
How is "Eh? Eh?" AMIRITE? I was looking for a very hard-of-hearing person cupping his ear and saying HOW'S THAT AGAIN? Or WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAID? I thought of SPEAK UP, but the letters didn't seem to work.
What would be a fair clue for the awful AMIRITE? "Do you agree?" would be a lot better. But best of all is Joe D's idea of eliminating AMIRITE completely.
The Super-G (as mentioned in 24-Down) is a slalom skier event. Lots of folks engage in alpine skiing but only slalom skiers engage in the Super-G. Therefore, since the clue was so specific, I confidently wrote in SLALOMSKIER and carried on rather easily until I came to the clues that crossed it. Not sure if the constructor or the editor missed this one, but someone needed to correct that bit of clue/answer vagueness. Amirite?
"Abbreviation on a receipt" CHG is one of the worst clues/answers I've seen on an NYT puzzle. I don't know if it stands for "charge" or "change"; I checked a number of receipts I had lying around and none of them had CHG on it. I had to get all three crosses to figure out what this was.
Took me forever to figure out the wrong spelling of KEBAB. I was willing to accept KABAB, especially since I thought a circular argument had NO BASIS. By the end, I decided that there was some colloquiualism that I didn't know in which arguments can have NO PAINT?
Why, oh why is "literally" in 5D clue? Or the " " for that matter. Animal whose name means, literally, "nose". Irritates the S*** out of me. Animal whose name means nose. See?
@Anon 7:47 AM. No can do on the AMIRITE. I can only tell you what I think after a good long think following completion.
I think it was a too cute for its own good clue trying to convey someone responding to another speaker who has mistakenly said something and was proven incorrect. Speaker 1 tries to move on. Feeling overly and unkindly smug, speaker 2 can’t let it go and says “AM I RITE,” (kind of trying to convey ‘am I right or am I right’). Why the idiotic spelling I cannot say but that’s my take.
I also strenuously object to misspelled foreign words - especially substituting N for Ñ in Spanish. Those are two entirely different letters. I quit bitching about this because it clearly has become ok.
Other than those two spots though, I admit I really did enjoy the solve. Total wheelhouse ‘cause I’m old and have solved NYT for 60 years.
Sorry, but including an intentionally misspelled word ("Am I RITE??!!") as an answer, just for the sake of being cool and trendy is (or should be) beneath whatever dignity the New York Times has left.)
I see the comments are over the place today! @Gill pretty much summed up the puzzle experience for me EXCEPT I had to run the alphabet in my mind to get the G in LOGICGATE/SOLFÈGE so maybe that’s a technical DNF. I can see why many people would have difficulty in the middle especially if they were unfamiliar with COTILLARD and WILEYPOST. However, it seems to me that CHEFSKISS has been in the puzzle recently.
There are some types of movies that you tend to go for and I love/loved both Braveheart and Rob Roy (I know they are 400 years apart) so Edward “Long-shanks” was a gimme (chef’s kiss to my experiential feeling), and thank gof I went through a phase of watching L & O reruns (much to my husband’s chagrin) because LENNIE Briscoe helped me see the err of my CARBS entry.
Also, even though they are real I tend to associate NARWHALs with unicorns.
I almost solved this with only one lookup, for LENNIE. Who was, I learn, played by Jerry Orbach, whose starring role IMHO was as El Gallo in the original Fantasticks. We all loved the album, and I am one of the many who has made a point of going to see it in New York.
Almost solved it. Knew WILEY POST off the bat. Saw COTILLARD in that movie about Edith Piaf (my kids called her Edith Pilaf, and were probably sick of my love of songs like Milord and La Vie en Rose, and so many others). Almost solved it, but not quite. I had "unapt" and refused to give it up, where it should have been UNFIT. In my defense, REMOTES are seldom really lost in the couch cushions -- it's the first place everyone looks for a missing REMOTE. What does get lost in the cushions is coins. And, all too often, iPhones.
Plus a POT FARM is not really a joint business. The farmer may provide the ingredients for a joint, but in this day and age, he doesn't sell joints. Indeed, the days when people bought joints, rather than baggies and rolling paper, are lost in pot prehistory.
As for AMIRITE, that is pot-related in a way. I first saw that spelling in underground comix, perhaps drawn by the immortal R. Crumb.
Yay! I succeeded in finishing but it was rough going.
I thought I'd heard of a maGICGATE, but maybe that was in sudoku, not electronics? Or is a LOGICGATE sometimes called magic? I knew Marion but her last name required all crosses, and S_LF_ _ _ looked like it had to be SeLF something. Finally recognized C_TILLARD for the O. Unfortunately, LENNIE was unknown to me too, and I didn't see the POTFARM so that diagonal swath from the southwest up was tough.
I did finally experience a bit of the “Whoosh” Rex refers to, and since it came after feeling quite stuck and putting answers in and out, it was fun to fill the NW that way.
I breezed through three quarters of this (Saturday version of breezing anyway), but spent as much time on the SW-center as on the whole rest if the puzzle. No idea on LENNIE, LOGIC GATE or SOLFEGE, and I had the CH for the receipt abbreviation, ran the alphabet and still didn’t see CHG. Agree with others that that is not a real abbreviation. I also had inapT before UNFIT, which slowed me down a bunch. I was thinking either bENNIE or jENNIE for the character but ran the alphabet again, saw LENNIE was also possible and that turned on the lightbulb for LOGIC. GATE seemed the most likely for the rest of that one. Happy music, yay.
I love the term BAD SEED. Looking through those old photo albums with Grandma. WHO IS THAT? Oh, Aunt Myrtle. She was a BAD SEED. It also makes for a great excuse. My evil deeds are not my fault! I was a BAD SEED from the beginning.
Serious lack of clever clues in this one. POT FARM was good if a little obvious for “joint venture.” “Has a list” was a nice misdirect for LEANS.
As for others, NARWHAL made me smile thinking of “Rock Lobster” and the B52s.
I feel you Lobster. I mean WTF on all of those!!! I would much rather have to use some logic and inference as opposed to Mamés that one either knows or has never heard of.
Slalom SKIERs are a subset of ALPINE SKIERs. WIKI puts it this way: Super giant slalom, or super-G, is a racing discipline of alpine skiing. You are not wrong but I think the clue/answer match up is valid.
I think EH EH for AMIRITE was to indicate a slang expression coming rather than “normal” speech. “I think think Einstein’s idea of gravity is incompatible with quantum mechanics, amirite?”
I don't understand why heads explode with words or phrases they've never seen or heard before. We had the same reaction to RAWR and today AMIRITE. Phrases/words change all the time and sometimes evolve into funner sayings.I use these things all the time; I even invent some and cross my fingers, stick a thumb in my eye, and hope people will understand me. I agree, though, with @Nancy and its clue. At first, my answer was WHAT THE?....The downs took care of that....but I think "Do you agree?" is a bit better. Do you?
@Mathgent....As they say in my neck of the woods...."Apy verde tu ju."
Pairing a tough grid where each corner is isolated from a center with crazy esoteric naticky trivia crosses is nasty. To her credit, my wife somehow pulled it off (or pulled it out of her you know where).
Could not see CHEFS KISS, did not know SOLFEGE, and never heard of LOGIC GATE. So about 4 or 5 blank letters there eluded me. Other than that, the puzzle was great!
I pictured a constructor jamming anything in to complete a puzzle. DREG, AMIRITE, CABSIT…. Rather tired of the non- words in NYT xwords. I have to admit I get a kick outta the use of words no one ever uses. ADO is my favorite. When is last time you went to that great GALA?
As a kid, I heard about WILEY POST, the man who piloted the plane that killed Will Rogers.What a shame shame that he is not known for his marvelous other achievements. Glad he was featured by the blogger.
Challenging and humbling for YT.😂 I was forced to EATDIRT! However thought the clueing was fair, some sparkly answers (EATDIRT) and learned some things: COTTILLARD, SOLFÈGE, WILEYPOST, and AMIRITE - what is the right(!) justification for that? Text speak? 🤗🦖🦖🦖🦖😜
Tough one. Finished without errors but wasn't sure until I checked the solution. Hated amirite. Did not know solfege. I know what a chef's kiss is but never heard that expression. Same for logic gate. Did not like kabob spelling.
@OFL: But one of the perks of doing this damn puzzle over decades is you pick up a lot of regionalisms and slang and place names and what not, which you then end up encountering again solely in crosswords, which creates a kind of crossword-produced, imaginary, composite NYC, made up of all the NYCs that ever were since about the '20s.
Only if one is blessed/cursed with eidetic memory. For the rest of use, not so much.
The 6D clue is a cheat: "Field of informatics" DATA SCIENCE *is* informatics. Naughty.
"In the United States, however, the term informatics is mostly used in context of data science" - the wiki
By which definition, informatics is subservient to data science. Either way: fail.
@Nancy (11:42) Yes I like your AMIRITE clue much better. The “eh? eh?” had me thinking in the same direction as you did, picturing Granny holding up her ear trumpet.
Ok, so it wasn't WILEY POST who went down with Earhart! And, of course, totally forgot (never knew?) about the Post/Rogers ending. Learned something new today.
I don't like AMIRITE or ALRIGHT, but there they are. As my freshman linguistics professor told me, living languages always change, whatever "authorities" say.
I don't like AMIRITE or ALRIGHT, but they're valid. As my professor told me in my first linguistics class, all living languages change, whether the "experts" and "authorities" like it or not. Sigh.
KABAB KEBOB KABOB. It's as bad as PEROGI PEROGY PIEROGI.
Yes the names: PANETTA OGDEN COTILLARD WILEYPOST. And SOLFEGE just to make it harder. But a really good puzzle; it is Saturday after all.
All you people complaining that MANANA should have a tilde... get over it. This is a puzzle, not a dictionary. The grid is a diacritic free zone. For clues, it's a different story.
[Spelling Bee: yd 0 after almost a week off! Lotsa juicy pangrams.]
So close and yet so far. I went with LOGICrATE. The rest was gettable but much more difficult than yesterday. Not as bad a failure as last Saturday but still a one letter dnf. Two Saturday losses in a row is like being back in the 1990s only now with arthritis.
@teedmn 9:24 >> Why do I not remember ever hearing about WILEY POST? Seems like his would be a household name
I kept thinking, "I'm sure I know this person and I'm just drawing a blank. With a couple of crosses I'll think of it." Well, after I filled it in I still don't remember ever hearing of him.
Clue/answer is perfectly valid and not redundant, as others have pointed out. But "The Super-G (as mentioned in 24-Down) is a slalom skier event." is wrong. It's like saying the marathon is a sprint because it and the 100 meter race both involve running.
yep. Themeless. Has the Jaws and the low word-count (64). Only 4 4-letter words today … lessens the risk of profanities. (From the puz itself, that is.)
Had the usual dose of SatPuz M&A no-knows -- unfortunately, two of em crossed: * SOLFEGE/COTILLARD. Guessed U. Wrong again, M&A breath. * LENNIE. * NARWHAL spellin. * Clue for MANANA. Didn't know the lingo.
Ow de Speration hars: * AMIRITE. Sounds like a cult thing done to friends in France. * CABSIT. Debut, even in the AIRTAXI industry. Could be better clued as: {Mind the red wine??}. * DIYKITS. Debut, again. Kept wantin it to be DAY+something, since I didn't speak COTILLARD-ese [or see the flick].
staff weeject pick and additional har: CHG.
There was tons of neat stuff in this puz, also. M&A zipped rite thru the NW territory, but then kinda had to re-invent my foothold, as the only exit from the NW was 6-D's DATAS+whatever-they-dreamed-up-for-in-there. AMA, OGDEN, and LEANS helped m&e do that, in the NE. Things got pretty dicey, as the solvequest careened methodically toward that middle puzgrid section, with its loomin cross-linked no-knows.
Some of the neat stuff met up with, along the way: RAWDEAL. EATDIRT. WILEYPOST. CHEFSKISS. GNASHED. RETINUE. WHOISTHAT. {Joint venture?} clue.
Thanx for the challenge and the [symbolic?] off-center puzgridart crosses, Mr. Lieb dude. Primo fashoinin of the feistiness.
Loved the puzzle. Like some others, I found it much harder than yesterday- totally opposite of Rex. Because of this solve, I now know about Wiley Post's exploits and his discovery of the jet stream. So cool! And the do re mi thing is more than a fun song in a musical- it's a whole system with a cool name. That's a great way to start a Saturday. AMIRITE?
At pabloinnh 9:36, regarding spotty book editing. I read a book about the horse racing industry. A kind of Romeo and Juliet story of competing breeding stables. Unfortunately, the author/editor used the 'royal' version of rein half the time when talking about the (usually) leather straps attached to a bit that help guide/steer a horse; so: reign. By the last chapter, I was almost expecting to see 'rain', just for the fun of it. Still a cute story, but for any horse-people, it elicited a wince.
"Plus a POT FARM is not really a joint business. The farmer may provide the ingredients for a joint, but in this day and age, he doesn't sell joints. Indeed, the days when people bought joints, rather than baggies and rolling paper, are lost in pot prehistory."
@ old timer 12:15 - The pot farms of today prefer the term cannabis cultivator. Medical and adult-use dispensaries often grow, process, and sell their own products. See Berkshire Roots for example.
Here comes a stingray There goes a manta-ray In walked a jelly fish There goes a dog-fish Chased by a cat-fish In flew a sea robin Watch out for that piranha There goes a NARWHAL Here comes a bikini whale!
Not that I'm defending the syntax, but if you're ever in DC, take a ride on the C&O canal (behind the mini-Mall on M st.). If the Park Service still does that; Park Service is such a waste of money. It's been decades, back when such things were considered Good, since I was there, but the boat is towed by mule(s). Thus tow the line.
Hi Sharon @3:36 - my beef is with both the editing and the content. Real words or not, the cluing and content in the NW sucked with a capital SUCK. MONODON, EH and DESPUES is total BS. The Washington Post kicked the NYT’s butt in terms of quality again today, without even really trying. Pathetic.
This was a tale of five puzzles for me. The NW and SE corners are almost completely walled off from the rest of the puzzle and the NE and SW corners are nearly as sectioned off too. I GNASHED my teeth a few times but I finally managed to fill in all four corners. The center section, however, made me EAT some crow or maybe it was DIRT. After staring blankly at some of the clues there I decide there was NO POINT in continuing and took an ignominious DNF.
If the POINT of coining AMIRITE is to save a few key strokes and make it more Twitterverse friendly, then why not use even fewer key strokes, get the same meaning, but in this case use a standard English word. Instead of AMIRITE, just use "Right?". Takes 6 key strokes rather than 7. So there is no defensible reason to continue to use the eye sore, grates on the sensibilities AMIRITE, right?
I just got back from watching my step-grandson's team play a 4-hour game in 100F weather. Fortunately, we found seats in the shade. I solved this baby this morning, but didn't have time to comment until now.
Never heard of COTILLARD, but the other names were buried deep in my mind, and popped up once I had a few crosses -- or else, like EDWARD I, just seemed like they should be at around the right spot in history (never saw that movie, but I know is about a Scottish rebel). I think I'd heard of WILEY POST from a story about Will Rogers, but he was an aviator, and again at about the right time.
The hardest part for me was SOLFEGE, which I actually know pretty well, but think of it as a method of specifically teaching singing, rather than music per se. Not that the clue is wrong, it just failed to trigger the right part of my memory. So I tried to fit in Suzuki, and when that proved to short I spent many, many nanoseconds trying to remember Kodaly -- since I couldn't remember it, I couldn't see that it was also too short, and wouldn't work with the crosses. So I finally did see SOLFEGE, and that was it. I did have a momentary problem with KeBaBS, but that didn't last long.
"36D: Bearded flower (iris) - weirdly, I had IRIS at 55A: Eye part (uvea) before I ever saw this clue. What are we calling that phenomenon, Andrea?"
@ACME (posting as @Anonymous (2:03 PM), Mon. Aug. 18, 2008:
"@mac
uh oh, this "andrea" thing is beginning to take on a life of it's own!
Before it goes too much further,
I guess apres vu didn't catch on, and as Rex has wisely pointed out, it's NOT the opposite of a deja vu bec we HAVE seen it, albeit in the wrong place.
sort of a mal deja vu...
so as a nod to that, how about a
MALAPOP?
MALAPOP: A word that you've popped into the puzzle or that has popped up, albeit it in the wrong place?
(Plus it's a nod to that baseball thingie of pop-ups...not to mention annoying pop-up ads)
MALAPOP, anyone?
(In Minnesota tho a MALAPOP would be a soda that's gone flat!)" ___ Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
And in so many other ways, too @anon2:51 PM. We had 42 wonderful years and one absolutely perfect daughter and laughter and silliness were family hallmarks.
@Gary Jugert 9:35 AM. I, too am an insufferable NARWHAL-knower. 40 years ahi my daughter at age 5 snagged a box of Trader Joe’s Candy Cane green tea because of the cute box with a Christmas sweater wearing polar bear sitting on an ice floe with a steaming cup chatting with a NARWHAL who was resting his chin and candy cane striped tusk (horn?) on another floe with the remainder of the body submerged. She called the NARWHAL a “unicorn whale.” I thought it was charming, but did show her a NARWHAL when we got home. The panel from that box lived on our fridge for at least 20 years. And I still think Unicorn Whale a much better name.
@Dan A 9:36 AM. All the comments about AMIRITE and its dreadful clue have now reminded me of Ned Ryerson in “Groundhog Day” whose annoying voice said of insurance, . . . “you could always use a little more. Am I right or am I right, right, right right?”
@Nancy. This one irritated me as well. The clue wasn’t some foreign word or phrase that has become familiar, but is a clue as if we were solving a Spanish crossword. And then the clue requires us deliberately to misspell the Spanish answer!!! In the Spanish alphabet, N and Ñ are two separate letters: N pronounced en’-ay and Ñ pronounced en’-yay. I gave up complaining through official channels about this about 20 years ago.
@Anoa Bob: "If the POINT of coining AMIRITE is to save a few key strokes and make it more Twitterverse friendly, then why not use even fewer key strokes, get the same meaning, but in this case use a standard English word. Instead of AMIRITE, just use "Right?". Takes 6 key strokes rather than 7."
I don't know the history of AMIRITE (Merriam Webster traces it to 1998) but I can speculate: In some online environments punctuation isn't as easy to enter as a single keystroke. You change the keyboard, enter a character, and then change back. With proper orthography, "Right?" potentially takes a keystroke for uppercase, then the word, then a keystroke for the punctuation keyboard, then the '?', then potentially another keystroke to return to the regular keyboard. 7 keystrokes without the potential ones, 9 keystrokes in the worst case.
That said, I don't think logic or efficiency always drives new words, though I wish it did.
From one old timer to you @old timer. I’m a huge Jerry Orbach fan. My first musical in fact was the off-Broadway “Fantasticks” with him as Narrator and El Gallo. I also saw “Carnival” with him as the puppeteer. Fell in love with that show. Wish it were done more. My freshman year at Illinois I learned that Orbach was an alum. That summer I spent everything I had from my part time job to go see him in “Promises Promises the year he won his Tony. The PBS series “The American Musical” included a nice piece about him. Pretty sure I only started watching “Law & Order” because I saw he was in it.
Read all the comments and surprised that no one questioned 'SEE' as an answer to 'MATCH'. Forgive this newbie (to the RexWorld, not the puzzles), but what does 'Natick' reference? The Massachusetts town?
Anonymous 1:31...... I assume that "see" was used as in poker. "I see your 5 dollars, and raise you 10..."
Went back to the puzzle this morning, and filled in the last 5 boxes in the center with "best fit." Was very surprised that solfege, logic gate, and phone line were right. ( or rite?)
Happy to have solved, but unhappy with much of the cluing...
The NY Times is scraping the bottom of the barrel. That NW corner is a real trainwreck. I call BS on AMIRITE. NARWHAL is just not fair unless you happen to be a marine biologist aka a Fish-In-Sea Expert. LEES? That word needs to be banned. 19A is clued with a foreign language. Newsflash. This is supposed to be an English language crossword. The ? clue for EGGTOSS indicates a jokey-type answer. Sorry I forgot to laugh. How could WS give this one the green light to this? Sovlers got a RAWDEAL today. As for Rex - “easy” my eye. This one certainly does not deserve the CHEFSKISS. There’s NOPOINT to it. Rather, it should have been a paper MISSILE sent directly to the proverbial circular file.
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A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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Raise your hand if you think NARWHAL is a common word.
Not "easy" for me but lower half easier and hence more fun than top half. As @Rex said, the names slowed me down and I had to work into that area from below. Don't like CABS as verb. Pretty much a just right Saturday for me, difficult but doable. I might have looked up one of the names.
I got a kick out of AMIRITE near EMIRATE
What’s up with “amirite?
Easy for me, but DNF because of COTILLARD on top of WILEYPOST crossing SOLFEGE. I say unfair.
This was an unusually easy Saturday puzzle, but not like early week easy because the names were from a while back and some of the fill (LEES DREG, e.g.) were right out of crossword Central Casting. But overall, not an unpleasant solve. I do dislike DREG singular, though. Only time I have seen it used in its singular rather than “the dregs” is in crosswords.
The surprise se today for me was to open the app, see what looked like a rather classic “big stacks” grid, often a harbinger of rough seas only to discover a welcome mat laud in the NW corner and smooth sailing. As rarely happens, my solve was very much like OFL’s today and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Not that there were too many names but today’s selection of names took me time to work around. Didn’t know that CHEFSKISS was a thing but not too hard to imagine it. AMIRITE seemed a little bit if a cheat and not sure why there weren’t other alternatives.
“Cabs-it” as alternative to “Ubers-it”, maybe?
Mostly a stroll through the park. But ... knowing nothing about circuit building blocks and never having watched "Law & Order" brought me to a halt in downtown Natick where LOGIC GATE met LENNIE. Fortunately, there was an adjacent POT FARM to help ease my misery.
Easy-medium, mostly because I Naticked at CxTILLARD x SxLFEGE. Both totally unknown to me, and my e looked just as good as the correct O.
Ouch. Just, ouch. Not on my wavelength at all! First off, I had NARWahL, so that tripped me up right from the get go. Put RHINO in. Took RHINO out several times since I believe that clue needed a '..., informally'. In what universe is AMIRIght spelled AMIRITE?! Misread 8D as States instead of Status, so erroneously put in sEz instead of REP! SLalomSKIER before ALPINESKIER. COTILLARD over WILEYPOST crossing SOLFEGE was a death sentence for the middle for me. Brain got so hopelessly overwhelmed that I couldn't see SET at 39A. It just never got better for me. Sigh.
PPP right out of the gate at 1A always dampens the mood for me. This one was compounded by the fact that the next three entries in that section (NARWHAL, AMIRITE and MANANA) are barely even real words - and they aren’t even clued (sorry, EH? Is not a clue and stuff in foreign languages and other gibberish don’t count as clues in my book).
That NW section then fed into COTILLARD and WILEY POST and I gave up any hope of finding a crossword puzzle today. Rex loved it; just not for me. Hopefully others will have a similar experience to OFL’s.
AMIRITE? Can someone explain why this is okay?
A little too much trivia for a Saturday - but like Rex I knew most of them so it went smooth. Have seen POST’s plane at the museum in DC. Not a huge fan of using RITE. The redundancy of ALPINE SKIER seemed awkward.
I like the aggressive look of the grid - but the highlight should be the center and that’s where this falls flat. DATA SCIENCE, SOLFÈGE, DIY KITS etc are not great.
She came onto him like a slow moving cold front
This one was a little off. Stella Z’s Stumper is the real deal.
As a computer engineer I was thrilled to see logic gate and data science in the puzzle. Not sure why folks have to infer, “tech terms put me to sleep”. Makes me sad.
Could CHEF'S KISS please get lost, permanently? And take AMIRITE with you? Go hang out at Nedick's.
CABS IT is hardly last century. NYCers say it all the time. (Nedick's, however, is long gone.)
Funny, I mentioned pancetta in yesterday's thread and who shows up today but Leon PANETTA.
I thought this puzz was pretty boring. Data science meets logic gate meets phone line. @Gary Jugert will probably come up with some good Uniclues though.
So it goes from time to time as a resident of Rexland:
Yesterday, I breezed through the puzzle 3 1/2 minutes below average, with nary a hiccup, while Rex used words like "challenging" and "mediumish".
Today, a near-total slogfest, clocking in almost 2 minutes slower than average, only to find Rex describe it as "easy," a "cinch," "pleasurable," and "far easier than yesterday."
And the SuperG clue had me trying to remember my mid-Atlantic supermarket chains.
I grew up in Oklahoma, so 31A was a gimme. A secondary airport in NW Oklahoma City is named after him (the primary one is Will Rogers).
Never saw Braveheart, so the ending "I" threw me, trying to figure out why an Italian would figure into Scottish history. The brain doesn't always work well in the morning.
Had BREAD instead of SUGAR at 39D and ASADAS instead of KABOBS at 45A that slowed things for a bit.
I guess the no repeat rule is no longer in force: HASTO, ISTO. Others have pointed it out in the past.
Thx, John, for a crunchy, challenging Sat. effort! :)
Med++ (Not on the right wavelength for this one.)
Very tough NW, tough SW, relatively easy-med East.
Had a bonafide 'malapop', entering DREG for LEES.
No idea of the 'music method', and couldn't recall CHEF'S KISS, so @Roo's 'F' was my Final Fill.
NO lOgic before NO POINT.
Enjoyed the workout! :)
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Each to their own on difficulty. Despite, or because of, all the tricky clues, yesterday was a Saturday record by far for me. Today, I could only finish because my husband had heard of some of those not famous people.
But, I know that cabs still roam NYC, an NYC luxury warming the world. And like others, I have no clue why amirite is an answer.
But a few good clues, like for egg toss added to a pleasant Sunday. Thank you John.
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So 3 says this is easy because he has read or seen Braveheart. I have not, so this was a nice challenge. BUT, We can't just create alternate spellings. Only RIGHT can be right. Rite is a bar mitzvah. And nobody in the world (at least NYC which after all is the world) ever says CABSIT
Naticked at LOGICGATE/SOLFEGE. I guess I could have gotten there running the alphabet but didn’t care enough.
Slowed down a bunch because I could not remember how to spell COTILLARD.
But CHEFSKISS below helped clean up a bad cross due to entering SKIER in the wrong column.
WILEYPOST was not a gimme, but I knew the name and was able to write it in after a couple good crosses.
Wanted to complain that one of the clues in the SE was literally the dictionary entry, but no, I don't see it now. Maybe that was yesterday.
For those wondering wondering about SOLFEGE, SOL and FA are consecutive syllables in singing your way up the DO RE MI scale.
TESLA crossing COTIL (wasn't sure of the rest of Marion's last name, wanted it to end in iARD) got me started. I had a brief moment of uh oh when the SW seemed impenetrable but EXE DIS got me a foothold there. The SE was the easiest sector by far, for me.
Why do I not remember ever hearing about WILEY POST? Seems like his would be a household name but not in my house. Sorry WILEY.
While this puzzle by no means put me through the WRINGER, it did have a bit of a crunch. Thanks, John Lieb!
Holy smokes is spelling and tortured verbs a new frontier for making things needlessly goofy? CABS IT, AMIRITE and KABOBS is how I'd use English if I was drunk, lonely and hungry.
On the other hand I am the master of writing NARWHAL straight into the squares with so much confidence I'm almost insufferable.
This one wasn't for me. Really uninteresting words with humorless Saturday clues. I had to research every single person in the puzzle.
Uniclues:
1 Make excessive taxes more palatable by expelling the Jewish population.
2 Fatty BBQ
3 Three people on four folding chairs in a skit.
4 Hurts Small of Steinbeck.
5 Financial advisor's recommendation on how Laurence Tureaud could make extra money.
6 Mud pie: what and why.
1 EDWARD I RAW DEAL
2 UNFIT KABOBS
3 AIR TAXI RETINUE
4 DAMAGES LENNIE
5 "REP DIY KITS, MR. T"
6 EAT DIRT. NO POINT.
Definition of AMIRITE from The Free Dictionary idioms section: ‘ amirite. A comical way of writing "am I right," an interjection used to foster agreement or stimulate further conversation. He's a fool, amirite? ‘
Haven't seen Braveheart and do not think of ENAMELS as "veneers". The NW was therefore beyond dismal. See also the LOGICGATE/SOLFEGE cross. Oh dear.
At least I knew WILEYPOST and ALPINESKIER (as opposed to nordic skier) instantly, and after that the highlights were sparse. Also, I'm never sure which spelling of KABOBS is called for, lots of variations for that one.
WRINGER was fun to see as I just finished one of those Spenser novels by someone continuing the original author's series. In one case he used "put through the ringer" (sic) and in another described someone as "getting their (body part) caught in a ringer" (also sic). This apparently eluded the editors as well and made me wonder what exactly the author and/or editors think a "ringer" actually is. No help there from spellcheck either, evidently.
Crunchy enough, JL. Just Like a bowl of rock cereal. Thanks for some fun, at least.
An illegitimate puzzle! We must never, ever, ever accept misspelled words—and on a Saturday, no less! This feels like putting on a too-small, wet, swimsuit.
KEBOBS don't have to be meat. And I despise words such as that in crossword puzzles for which there is no standard spelling.
We say "cab it" (and "Uber it") here in San Francisco. Easier to say than "take a cab."
On Jeff Chen, Jim Horne gave AMIRITE the side eye.
Another sign that I'm losing it. I had CHE?SKISS. Even after running the alphabet, I didn't see CHEFSKISS. A delightful phrase that I've seen before. I turn 88 on Sunday.
Apparently "amirite" is an internet slang spelling. I've personally never seen it before, but I still "cab it" vs."Uber it" when in NYC so guess I'm just old.
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My NW corner was opposite of Rex. Toughest part for me. How often does one see NARWHAL (in a puz, or IRL?), and I dang sure didn't know its scientific name. Sheesh. Then the clue for 19 A, huh? I'm sure that'll raise @Southside Johnny's ire. (I believe it's him that hates foreign-ese? Yes? No?)
So Googed the NARWHAL, which got me to complete that corner, thereby completing the puz, and getting the Happy Music. False Happy Music, though, as also Googed for 2 other unknowns, COTILLARD and WILEY POST. Last letter in was the G at the SOLFE_E/LOGIC_ATE cross. Hmm, says I, flipping through the "I-know-this-from-previous-puzs" rolodex in the ole brain, finding SOLFEGE. So threw in that G, and viola, finished!
Came to the blog exhausted and sweating, only to find Rex rate it easy! Good stuff.
WIN OR LOSE went through atallcOSt, atanycOSt, ____risk, and probably a few others. SE corner was easiest and quickest for me.
Seeing as how bad I did on YesterBee, maybe understandable I didn't do all too well on today's puz. Having LOGIC fade here. Har.
yd -16 (including 4 P's!)(ouch!), however, should'ves 15, so unclear why my brain was stuck.
Two F's
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I like that our Super G competitor HASTO go through a LOGICGATE.
It’s also great that ILE brought along his daughter MISSILE.
An Association Montessori Internationale ceremony could be an AMIRITE.
This was a far easier puzzle than yesterday, but still very enjoyable. I also had the LEES/DREG Malapop. Always cool. Thanks, John Lieb.
Had regatta for shell game
AMIRITE is in the dictionary, look it up. I see it/use it all the time. It’s an informal spelling, considered “internet speech” by some, but given that the internet is several decades old and is a well-established source of novel vocabulary, I’d say that “internet speech” is just speech speech at this point. Amirite?
Easy? More like a Saturday stumper which put me completely through the WRINGER by the time I finished. Things fell beautifully from the NW to the SE although the isolated corners made it challenging. However the opposite sides were nearly empty. The SW in particular resulted in some seriously GNASHED teeth before I was done. Had CARBS at 39D, did not know LENNIE or LOGIC GATE, couldn’t see POT FARM and stubbornly resisted 33A. Yes, I have a have a plan for my cell PHONE but there’s no LINE there. Picky I know, but I just didn’t like that clue.
I kept trying to come up with some kind of coin that got lost in the cushions before finally realizing my carbs should be SUGAR which finally broke the dam open. Kind of ironic really since I lost my REMOTE not too long ago, lost it so badly that I gave up and ordered a new one. I finally found it -yes, between the cushion and the sofa arm - but in a different sofa in a different room than the one where it belonged. Apparently I carried it in there on my way to do something else. Who knows? Yet another senior moment. 🙄
I loved WILEY POST and CHEFS KISS crossing WHO IS THAT. Who among us hasn’t looked at old pictures and asked that very question? Then you get it a little closer and squint, as if that’s gonna help. Lots of unidentified relatives in our family albums.
"God despises the hoi polloi"??
"Desperate day of the hoi polloi"?
What on earth does "dia despues de hoy" mean??? I DO NOT SPEAK SPANISH!
I did study Latin, but I don't think we got as far as "monodon monoceros". Everything we learned was about Caesar and his soldiers and their horses. I don't think we even learned how to say "hello" or "goodbye" or "how's it going?" I know I didn't learn how to say "where's the ladies room?" No wonder it's a dead language.
The entire NW of the puzzle seemed to be in gibberish. I went elsewhere on what I was hoping would be a "faith solve" in Lewis's words or a "keep-the-faith puzzle" in my own. (Lewis and I coined our terms separately and unknown from each other -- sort of like Edison and TESLA. Great minds and all that.)
But there was to be no "solve" at all, faith or otherwise. The middle of the puzzle was impossible too. Have you ever seen CHG on a receipt? Me neither -- at least I don't think I have. That was my only hope in the LOGICGATE (huh???)/CHEF'S KISS (that's what it's called? I did have SKISS, though)/PHONE LINE (hate that clue/answer!) section of the puzzle. So getting back to the highly segmented NW from there was impossible.
I cheated on EDWARD I and checked JENNIE/BENNIE/LENNIE for the Briscoe character -- but no help at all. A rare DNF, but a big one.
Pretty common slang in text
Cabsit ( Cabit is even more common) is indeed current.
And it’s not only current in Manhattan, but, at a minimum, Philly as well. Haven’t spent enough time in Chicago, but I’m guessing it’s widely used there too.
Anon 8:02,
Because almost all the people in media are barely able to handle arithmetic. So, unable to succeed at math, science, tech, they poo poo it. Rex, and his ilk are sure, convinced down to to their bones, that women’s studies, anthropology, Manga comics are not only more interesting than data science and logic gates, but more worthy. That’s why they sniff and say ridiculous, and as you imply, insulting things.
Lost me with all the proper nouns - no recognition at all for solfège, cottilard, Wiley post, and couldn’t bring to mind Panetta. This seems an “unfair” placement of fairly obscure proper names.
Also chef’s kiss has evolved online esp Twitter to be a mocking gesture so had trouble with that.
Rest of the grid filled in easily.
Pick a card...any card. And I did! I drew the aces I needed, I got up to the mirror and tried to wipe my smile away. I couldn't...I left it and then danced through the tulips.
This was (ahem) easy for me. For a change!. I remembered things I had forgotten...scritch scratch here and there. YES...I knew WILEY POST and I know COTILLARD and I saw "Braveheart" so EDWARD was an entree worth a Saturday delicious meal.
Two changes needed for me. At first I had DATA Systems but my acrosses saved my RAW PANETTA bacon on top of an egg. I love when that happens.
I've never heard of LOGIC GATE but it was easy to get...don't you think? I CHEF KISS all the time and I watch some of the Super G slalom skiers and I loved the clue for NARWHAL and, so....I danced.
Rarely can I finish a Saturday without some help. Today, I did. It is most satisfying. I urge some of you that just throw your hat down and stomp on it, to take your time and chisel through. You can do it! AMIRITE?
@Laura 8:57
You honestly think cabs are one of the leading causes of global warming? Would it better if the population of NYC owned cars? We don't. Our carbon footprint is pretty damned small. Most of us don't own cars. We take public transportation and yes, we take cabs. In the middle of the night, when we're not feeling young and spry or when we have take kids places. For most people, it's not a luxury. It's just another form of transportation. And you young people who are all over climate change, you're the ones getting your Ubers. For a few blocks. And those are gas guzzlers, no?
Oh yeah, we walk, too.
Give me a break.
Am I right?
Noo Yawkas know you cab it when you don't want to take the subway.
SOLFEGE! Awful.
So apparently AMIRITE is an actual thing with a very specific meaning. When you google it, the definition that crops up is, "am I right? (used to invite confirmation or assert that one's previous statement is correct)"
And apparently, the correct spelling is as one word: "amirite."
This is all completely new news to me. I have never seen "amirite" written anywhere, ever. But it seems to be legit.
Difficult? Easy? Does it not hinge on whether you at least have a slight notion of a word like SOLFEGE? Solvers, its all wheelhouses and wave lengths. DNF? No shame.
But I kinda wish Rex would ditch the "difficulty" rating. Just discuss the crossword puzzle. There's still plenty to talk about.
Easy-medium. Slightly easier than yesterday’s for me. storyLINE before PHONE, misspelling WILEY, and not seeing DIYKITS were my major hang ups. Fun Saturday, liked it.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/amirite/
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Everyone's compaining about AMIRITE (agree, pretty awful!) without mentioning the worst thing about it. It's the clue, "Eh? Eh?" The completely mystifying "Eh? Eh?" produced yet another of my great unfilled spaces today.
How is "Eh? Eh?" AMIRITE? I was looking for a very hard-of-hearing person cupping his ear and saying HOW'S THAT AGAIN? Or WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAID? I thought of SPEAK UP, but the letters didn't seem to work.
What would be a fair clue for the awful AMIRITE? "Do you agree?" would be a lot better. But best of all is Joe D's idea of eliminating AMIRITE completely.
The Super-G (as mentioned in 24-Down) is a slalom skier event. Lots of folks engage in alpine skiing but only slalom skiers engage in the Super-G. Therefore, since the clue was so specific, I confidently wrote in SLALOMSKIER and carried on rather easily until I came to the clues that crossed it. Not sure if the constructor or the editor missed this one, but someone needed to correct that bit of clue/answer vagueness. Amirite?
"Abbreviation on a receipt" CHG is one of the worst clues/answers I've seen on an NYT puzzle. I don't know if it stands for "charge" or "change"; I checked a number of receipts I had lying around and none of them had CHG on it. I had to get all three crosses to figure out what this was.
Took me forever to figure out the wrong spelling of KEBAB. I was willing to accept KABAB, especially since I thought a circular argument had NO BASIS. By the end, I decided that there was some colloquiualism that I didn't know in which arguments can have NO PAINT?
Why, oh why is "literally" in 5D clue? Or the " " for that matter. Animal whose name means, literally, "nose". Irritates the S*** out of me. Animal whose name means nose. See?
***NOT
I remember my Mother talking about flying with WILEY POST when he was barnstorming around Oklahoma when she was young.
My grandson and I drew pictures of NARWHALs yesterday.
@Anon 7:47 AM. No can do on the AMIRITE. I can only tell you what I think after a good long think following completion.
I think it was a too cute for its own good clue trying to convey someone responding to another speaker who has mistakenly said something and was proven incorrect. Speaker 1 tries to move on. Feeling overly and unkindly smug, speaker 2 can’t let it go and says “AM I RITE,” (kind of trying to convey ‘am I right or am I right’). Why the idiotic spelling I cannot say but that’s my take.
I also strenuously object to misspelled foreign words - especially substituting N for Ñ in Spanish. Those are two entirely different letters. I quit bitching about this because it clearly has become ok.
Other than those two spots though, I admit I really did enjoy the solve. Total wheelhouse ‘cause I’m old and have solved NYT for 60 years.
Alpine skier vs nordic (or cross country) skier is a thing
LOL!! My husband used to call him Leon Pancetta! It’s absolutely why I remembered him.
Sorry, but including an intentionally misspelled word ("Am I RITE??!!") as an answer, just for the sake of being cool and trendy is (or should be) beneath whatever dignity the New York Times has left.)
As a transplant to OK, WILEY POST was indeed a gimme.
Do re mi fa sol gets you to solfège.
I see the comments are over the place today! @Gill pretty much summed up the puzzle experience for me EXCEPT I had to run the alphabet in my mind to get the G in LOGICGATE/SOLFÈGE so maybe that’s a technical DNF. I can see why many people would have difficulty in the middle especially if they were unfamiliar with COTILLARD and WILEYPOST. However, it seems to me that CHEFSKISS has been in the puzzle recently.
There are some types of movies that you tend to go for and I love/loved both Braveheart and Rob Roy (I know they are 400 years apart) so Edward “Long-shanks” was a gimme (chef’s kiss to my experiential feeling), and thank gof I went through a phase of watching L & O reruns (much to my husband’s chagrin) because LENNIE Briscoe helped me see the err of my CARBS entry.
Also, even though they are real I tend to associate NARWHALs with unicorns.
Happy birthday tomorrow @Mathgent!
I’ve got that Muppet song in my head now: “we’ll hitchhike, bus, or yellow cab it”
I almost solved this with only one lookup, for LENNIE. Who was, I learn, played by Jerry Orbach, whose starring role IMHO was as El Gallo in the original Fantasticks. We all loved the album, and I am one of the many who has made a point of going to see it in New York.
Almost solved it. Knew WILEY POST off the bat. Saw COTILLARD in that movie about Edith Piaf (my kids called her Edith Pilaf, and were probably sick of my love of songs like Milord and La Vie en Rose, and so many others). Almost solved it, but not quite. I had
"unapt" and refused to give it up, where it should have been UNFIT. In my defense, REMOTES are seldom really lost in the couch cushions -- it's the first place everyone looks for a missing REMOTE. What does get lost in the cushions is coins. And, all too often, iPhones.
Plus a POT FARM is not really a joint business. The farmer may provide the ingredients for a joint, but in this day and age, he doesn't sell joints. Indeed, the days when people bought joints, rather than baggies and rolling paper, are lost in pot prehistory.
As for AMIRITE, that is pot-related in a way. I first saw that spelling in underground comix, perhaps drawn by the immortal R. Crumb.
Yay! I succeeded in finishing but it was rough going.
I thought I'd heard of a maGICGATE, but maybe that was in sudoku, not electronics? Or is a LOGICGATE sometimes called magic?
I knew Marion but her last name required all crosses, and S_LF_ _ _ looked like it had to be SeLF something. Finally recognized C_TILLARD for the O. Unfortunately, LENNIE was unknown to me too, and I didn't see the POTFARM so that diagonal swath from the southwest up was tough.
I did finally experience a bit of the “Whoosh” Rex refers to, and since it came after feeling quite stuck and putting answers in and out, it was fun to fill the NW that way.
Another vote against AMIRITE.
I breezed through three quarters of this (Saturday version of breezing anyway), but spent as much time on the SW-center as on the whole rest if the puzzle. No idea on LENNIE, LOGIC GATE or SOLFEGE, and I had the CH for the receipt abbreviation, ran the alphabet and still didn’t see CHG. Agree with others that that is not a real abbreviation. I also had inapT before UNFIT, which slowed me down a bunch. I was thinking either bENNIE or jENNIE for the character but ran the alphabet again, saw LENNIE was also possible and that turned on the lightbulb for LOGIC. GATE seemed the most likely for the rest of that one. Happy music, yay.
I love the term BAD SEED. Looking through those old photo albums with Grandma. WHO IS THAT? Oh, Aunt Myrtle. She was a BAD SEED. It also makes for a great excuse. My evil deeds are not my fault! I was a BAD SEED from the beginning.
Serious lack of clever clues in this one. POT FARM was good if a little obvious for “joint venture.” “Has a list” was a nice misdirect for LEANS.
As for others, NARWHAL made me smile thinking of “Rock Lobster” and the B52s.
I feel you Lobster. I mean WTF on all of those!!! I would much rather have to use some logic and inference as opposed to Mamés that one either knows or has never heard of.
@Photomatte.
Slalom SKIERs are a subset of ALPINE SKIERs. WIKI puts it this way: Super giant slalom, or super-G, is a racing discipline of alpine skiing. You are not wrong but I think the clue/answer match up is valid.
People not knowing Lennie Briscoe makes me sad,lol.
I think EH EH for AMIRITE was to indicate a slang expression coming rather than “normal” speech.
“I think think Einstein’s idea of gravity is incompatible with quantum mechanics, amirite?”
When I say I'm gonna CABIT I mean wine.
I don't understand why heads explode with words or phrases they've never seen or heard before. We had the same reaction to RAWR and today AMIRITE. Phrases/words change all the time and sometimes evolve into funner sayings.I use these things all the time; I even invent some and cross my fingers, stick a thumb in my eye, and hope people will understand me.
I agree, though, with @Nancy and its clue. At first, my answer was WHAT THE?....The downs took care of that....but I think "Do you agree?" is a bit better. Do you?
@Mathgent....As they say in my neck of the woods...."Apy verde tu ju."
Pairing a tough grid where each corner is isolated from a center with crazy esoteric naticky trivia crosses is nasty. To her credit, my wife somehow pulled it off (or pulled it out of her you know where).
Not true. Super-G is a bigger, faster version of GS - just one step down from pure downhill. Slalom is a completely different discipline.
SOLFEGE/WILEYPOST/LOGICGATE is a real Natick.
Could not see CHEFS KISS, did not know SOLFEGE, and never heard of LOGIC GATE. So about 4 or 5 blank letters there eluded me. Other than that, the puzzle was great!
@Gill I. 10:40 AM
Congratulations! And thanks for your delightful post. Made my day!
Elf fans raise your hands, too.
I pictured a constructor jamming anything in to complete a puzzle. DREG, AMIRITE, CABSIT….
Rather tired of the non- words in NYT xwords. I have to admit I get a kick outta the use of words no one ever uses. ADO is my favorite. When is last time you went to that great GALA?
As a kid, I heard about WILEY POST, the man who piloted the plane that killed Will Rogers.What a shame shame that he is not known for his marvelous other achievements. Glad he was featured by the blogger.
Challenging and humbling for YT.😂 I was forced to EATDIRT!
However thought the clueing was fair, some sparkly answers (EATDIRT) and learned some things:
COTTILLARD, SOLFÈGE, WILEYPOST,
and AMIRITE - what is the right(!) justification for that? Text speak?
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Tough one. Finished without errors but wasn't sure until I checked the solution. Hated amirite. Did not know solfege. I know what a chef's kiss is but never heard that expression. Same for logic gate. Did not like kabob spelling.
@OFL:
But one of the perks of doing this damn puzzle over decades is you pick up a lot of regionalisms and slang and place names and what not, which you then end up encountering again solely in crosswords, which creates a kind of crossword-produced, imaginary, composite NYC, made up of all the NYCs that ever were since about the '20s.
Only if one is blessed/cursed with eidetic memory. For the rest of use, not so much.
The 6D clue is a cheat: "Field of informatics" DATA SCIENCE *is* informatics. Naughty.
"In the United States, however, the term informatics is mostly used in context of data science" - the wiki
By which definition, informatics is subservient to data science. Either way: fail.
@Nancy (11:42) Yes I like your AMIRITE clue much better. The “eh? eh?” had me thinking in the same direction as you did, picturing Granny holding up her ear trumpet.
Having a problem with AMIRITE and particularly because I of a comment from @nancy. Could they or someone else please explain their remarks?
Ok, so it wasn't WILEY POST who went down with Earhart! And, of course, totally forgot (never knew?) about the Post/Rogers ending. Learned something new today.
I don't like AMIRITE or ALRIGHT, but there they are. As my freshman linguistics professor told me, living languages always change, whatever "authorities" say.
Everyone north of the 60th raise your hands!
I don't like AMIRITE or ALRIGHT, but they're valid. As my professor told me in my first linguistics class, all living languages change, whether the "experts" and "authorities" like it or not. Sigh.
Ditto @Nancy re “amirite,” which I have dubbed a TwitterLeakage that, over time, has seeped into the vernacular.
(Signed,
Not Joe Bleaux)
KABAB KEBOB KABOB. It's as bad as PEROGI PEROGY PIEROGI.
Yes the names: PANETTA OGDEN COTILLARD WILEYPOST. And SOLFEGE just to make it harder. But a really good puzzle; it is Saturday after all.
All you people complaining that MANANA should have a tilde... get over it. This is a puzzle, not a dictionary. The grid is a diacritic free zone. For clues, it's a different story.
[Spelling Bee: yd 0 after almost a week off! Lotsa juicy pangrams.]
So close and yet so far. I went with LOGICrATE. The rest was gettable but much more difficult than yesterday. Not as bad a failure as last Saturday but still a one letter dnf. Two Saturday losses in a row is like being back in the 1990s only now with arthritis.
yd -0
SAYWHAT was my first attempt for eh? Eh?
@teedmn 9:24 >> Why do I not remember ever hearing about WILEY POST? Seems like his would be a household name
I kept thinking, "I'm sure I know this person and I'm just drawing a blank. With a couple of crosses I'll think of it." Well, after I filled it in I still don't remember ever hearing of him.
Agreed. This was my only objection today.
Agree that it is now a word though I wouldn't use it. But
I don't agree with fighting windmills so....
Clue/answer is perfectly valid and not redundant, as others have pointed out. But "The Super-G (as mentioned in 24-Down) is a slalom skier event." is wrong. It's like saying the marathon is a sprint because it and the 100 meter race both involve running.
yep. Themeless. Has the Jaws and the low word-count (64). Only 4 4-letter words today … lessens the risk of profanities. (From the puz itself, that is.)
Had the usual dose of SatPuz M&A no-knows -- unfortunately, two of em crossed:
* SOLFEGE/COTILLARD. Guessed U. Wrong again, M&A breath.
* LENNIE.
* NARWHAL spellin.
* Clue for MANANA. Didn't know the lingo.
Ow de Speration hars:
* AMIRITE. Sounds like a cult thing done to friends in France.
* CABSIT. Debut, even in the AIRTAXI industry. Could be better clued as: {Mind the red wine??}.
* DIYKITS. Debut, again. Kept wantin it to be DAY+something, since I didn't speak COTILLARD-ese [or see the flick].
staff weeject pick and additional har: CHG.
There was tons of neat stuff in this puz, also. M&A zipped rite thru the NW territory, but then kinda had to re-invent my foothold, as the only exit from the NW was 6-D's DATAS+whatever-they-dreamed-up-for-in-there. AMA, OGDEN, and LEANS helped m&e do that, in the NE. Things got pretty dicey, as the solvequest careened methodically toward that middle puzgrid section, with its loomin cross-linked no-knows.
Some of the neat stuff met up with, along the way: RAWDEAL. EATDIRT. WILEYPOST. CHEFSKISS. GNASHED. RETINUE. WHOISTHAT. {Joint venture?} clue.
Thanx for the challenge and the [symbolic?] off-center puzgridart crosses, Mr. Lieb dude. Primo fashoinin of the feistiness.
Masked & AnonymoUUs
**gruntz**
Loved the puzzle. Like some others, I found it much harder than yesterday- totally opposite of Rex. Because of this solve, I now know about Wiley Post's exploits and his discovery of the jet stream. So cool! And the do re mi thing is more than a fun song in a musical- it's a whole system with a cool name. That's a great way to start a Saturday. AMIRITE?
You married the right man. By which I mean a man a lot like me, humor wise.
At pabloinnh 9:36, regarding spotty book editing. I read a book about the horse racing industry. A kind of Romeo and Juliet story of competing breeding stables. Unfortunately, the author/editor used the 'royal' version of rein half the time when talking about the (usually) leather straps attached to a bit that help guide/steer a horse; so: reign. By the last chapter, I was almost expecting to see 'rain', just for the fun of it. Still a cute story, but for any horse-people, it elicited a wince.
"Plus a POT FARM is not really a joint business. The farmer may provide the ingredients for a joint, but in this day and age, he doesn't sell joints. Indeed, the days when people bought joints, rather than baggies and rolling paper, are lost in pot prehistory."
@ old timer 12:15 - The pot farms of today prefer the term cannabis cultivator. Medical and adult-use dispensaries often grow, process, and sell their own products. See Berkshire Roots for example.
Free dictionary? Please. You get what you pay for
The correct term is malapLop.
Here comes a stingray
There goes a manta-ray
In walked a jelly fish
There goes a dog-fish
Chased by a cat-fish
In flew a sea robin
Watch out for that piranha
There goes a NARWHAL
Here comes a bikini whale!
@ southside Johnny and others, "narwhal" is absolutely a real word and a real animal.
I get the ?? re "amirite".
@B Right There- Yep, i see that one here and there too. Nails on a chalkboard.
My other favorite is "tow the line". How to do that or where to take it remains unclear.
@pablo:
Not that I'm defending the syntax, but if you're ever in DC, take a ride on the C&O canal (behind the mini-Mall on M st.). If the Park Service still does that; Park Service is such a waste of money. It's been decades, back when such things were considered Good, since I was there, but the boat is towed by mule(s). Thus tow the line.
Totally agree with Nancy that the worst thing about AMIRITE is the clue. Maybe "Do U agree?" would be even better than Nancy's clue replacement.
Hi Sharon @3:36 - my beef is with both the editing and the content. Real words or not, the cluing and content in the NW sucked with a capital SUCK. MONODON, EH and DESPUES is total BS. The Washington Post kicked the NYT’s butt in terms of quality again today, without even really trying. Pathetic.
This was a tale of five puzzles for me. The NW and SE corners are almost completely walled off from the rest of the puzzle and the NE and SW corners are nearly as sectioned off too. I GNASHED my teeth a few times but I finally managed to fill in all four corners. The center section, however, made me EAT some crow or maybe it was DIRT. After staring blankly at some of the clues there I decide there was NO POINT in continuing and took an ignominious DNF.
If the POINT of coining AMIRITE is to save a few key strokes and make it more Twitterverse friendly, then why not use even fewer key strokes, get the same meaning, but in this case use a standard English word. Instead of AMIRITE, just use "Right?". Takes 6 key strokes rather than 7. So there is no defensible reason to continue to use the eye sore, grates on the sensibilities AMIRITE, right?
I was in the same boat in the NW. My initial answer for 1 down was PATINAS and it felt pretty good at the time
I just got back from watching my step-grandson's team play a 4-hour game in 100F weather. Fortunately, we found seats in the shade. I solved this baby this morning, but didn't have time to comment until now.
Never heard of COTILLARD, but the other names were buried deep in my mind, and popped up once I had a few crosses -- or else, like EDWARD I, just seemed like they should be at around the right spot in history (never saw that movie, but I know is about a Scottish rebel). I think I'd heard of WILEY POST from a story about Will Rogers, but he was an aviator, and again at about the right time.
The hardest part for me was SOLFEGE, which I actually know pretty well, but think of it as a method of specifically teaching singing, rather than music per se. Not that the clue is wrong, it just failed to trigger the right part of my memory. So I tried to fit in Suzuki, and when that proved to short I spent many, many nanoseconds trying to remember Kodaly -- since I couldn't remember it, I couldn't see that it was also too short, and wouldn't work with the crosses. So I finally did see SOLFEGE, and that was it. I did have a momentary problem with KeBaBS, but that didn't last long.
History of 'malapop' vis á vis this blog:
@Rex from Mon., Aug. 18, 2008:
"36D: Bearded flower (iris) - weirdly, I had IRIS at 55A: Eye part (uvea) before I ever saw this clue. What are we calling that phenomenon, Andrea?"
@ACME (posting as @Anonymous (2:03 PM), Mon. Aug. 18, 2008:
"@mac
uh oh, this "andrea" thing is beginning to take on a life of it's own!
Before it goes too much further,
I guess apres vu didn't catch on, and as Rex has wisely pointed out, it's NOT the opposite of a deja vu bec we HAVE seen it, albeit in the wrong place.
sort of a mal deja vu...
so as a nod to that, how about a
MALAPOP?
MALAPOP: A word that you've popped into the puzzle or that has popped up, albeit it in the wrong place?
(Plus it's a nod to that baseball thingie of pop-ups...not to mention annoying pop-up ads)
MALAPOP, anyone?
(In Minnesota tho a MALAPOP would be a soda that's gone flat!)"
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And in so many other ways, too @anon2:51 PM. We had 42 wonderful years and one absolutely perfect daughter and laughter and silliness were family hallmarks.
@Gary Jugert 9:35 AM. I, too am an insufferable NARWHAL-knower. 40 years ahi my daughter at age 5 snagged a box of Trader Joe’s Candy Cane green tea because of the cute box with a Christmas sweater wearing polar bear sitting on an ice floe with a steaming cup chatting with a NARWHAL who was resting his chin and candy cane striped tusk (horn?) on another floe with the remainder of the body submerged. She called the NARWHAL a “unicorn whale.” I thought it was charming, but did show her a NARWHAL when we got home. The panel from that box lived on our fridge for at least 20 years. And I still think Unicorn Whale a much better name.
Best clue for AMIRITE would be something like Ok, Bro? ( New here. Really enjoy comments, especially from @nancy.) I think this puzzle stank.
@Dan A 9:36 AM. All the comments about AMIRITE and its dreadful clue have now reminded me of Ned Ryerson in “Groundhog Day” whose annoying voice said of insurance, . . . “you could always use a little more. Am I right or am I right, right, right right?”
AMEN @Greater Falls! Today we have alternate and simply incorrect spelling AMIRITE, MANANA and KABOBS!
Comments were much more accurate than the "easy" review. Thank you Eddy.
@Nancy. This one irritated me as well. The clue wasn’t some foreign word or phrase that has become familiar, but is a clue as if we were solving a Spanish crossword. And then the clue requires us deliberately to misspell the Spanish answer!!! In the Spanish alphabet, N and Ñ are two separate letters: N pronounced en’-ay and Ñ pronounced en’-yay. I gave up complaining through official channels about this about 20 years ago.
Great comment @Gill!
@Anoa Bob: "If the POINT of coining AMIRITE is to save a few key strokes and make it more Twitterverse friendly, then why not use even fewer key strokes, get the same meaning, but in this case use a standard English word. Instead of AMIRITE, just use "Right?". Takes 6 key strokes rather than 7."
I don't know the history of AMIRITE (Merriam Webster traces it to 1998) but I can speculate: In some online environments punctuation isn't as easy to enter as a single keystroke. You change the keyboard, enter a character, and then change back. With proper orthography, "Right?" potentially takes a keystroke for uppercase, then the word, then a keystroke for the punctuation keyboard, then the '?', then potentially another keystroke to return to the regular keyboard. 7 keystrokes without the potential ones, 9 keystrokes in the worst case.
That said, I don't think logic or efficiency always drives new words, though I wish it did.
From one old timer to you @old timer. I’m a huge Jerry Orbach fan. My first musical in fact was the off-Broadway “Fantasticks” with him as Narrator and El Gallo. I also saw “Carnival” with him as the puppeteer. Fell in love with that show. Wish it were done more. My freshman year at Illinois I learned that Orbach was an alum. That summer I spent everything I had from my part time job to go see him in “Promises Promises the year he won his Tony. The PBS series “The American Musical” included a nice piece about him. Pretty sure I only started watching “Law & Order” because I saw he was in it.
Read all the comments and surprised that no one questioned 'SEE' as an answer to 'MATCH'.
Forgive this newbie (to the RexWorld, not the puzzles), but what does 'Natick' reference? The Massachusetts town?
Anonymous 1:31...... I assume that "see" was used as in poker. "I see your 5 dollars, and raise you 10..."
Went back to the puzzle this morning, and filled in the last 5 boxes in the center with "best fit." Was very surprised that solfege, logic gate, and phone line were right. ( or rite?)
Happy to have solved, but unhappy with much of the cluing...
I’m a New Yorker and I cab it quite often; cabs are less expensive that Uber or Lyft. But SOLFÈGE - that one defeated me!
Why the "?" on the PHONELINE clue?
Last time we had CHEFSKISS, I'd never heard of it. This time, I did not remember it. Next time ... we'll see.
I guess it's easier if you know the names. I don't. So...
Once I looked up those dastardly names, I had few problems. Sigh.
Diana, LIW for Crosswords
My last post was eaten by the GoggleGods. Had to look up names to get a toe hold, so not so easy for me.
Diana, LIW for Crosswords
Opinions range from easy to very difficult. How about having a "Relative Fun" rating? This puzzle would rate quite low on that scale.
RAWDEAL DAMAGES
WINORLOSE I'm a BADSEED,
WHO HAS NO RETINUE,
SCIENCE says UNFIT TO breed,
so KISS my ASS 'cuz I'm BLUE.
--- REP. LENNIE PANETTA
The NY Times is scraping the bottom of the barrel. That NW corner is a real trainwreck. I call BS on AMIRITE. NARWHAL is just not fair unless you happen to be a marine biologist aka a Fish-In-Sea Expert. LEES? That word needs to be banned. 19A is clued with a foreign language. Newsflash. This is supposed to be an English language crossword. The ? clue for EGGTOSS indicates a jokey-type answer. Sorry I forgot to laugh. How could WS give this one the green light to this? Sovlers got a RAWDEAL today. As for Rex - “easy” my eye. This one certainly does not deserve the CHEFSKISS. There’s NOPOINT to it. Rather, it should have been a paper MISSILE sent directly to the proverbial circular file.
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