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Thursday, July 14, 2022

Constructor: Alan Arbesfeld

Relative difficulty: Easy to Easy-Medium


THEME: H2O (69A: Fire fighter, familiarly ... or a phonetic hint to this puzzle's theme) — simple letter swap: "H" goes "to" "O," wackiness follows:

Theme answers:
  • AFTER SOAVE (18A: Seeking a dry Italian wine?) (from "aftershave")
  • MARCO MADNESS (29A: Fervor over Senator Rubio?) (... "March Madness")
  • FIRESIDE COAT (46A: Blazer worn next to a blaze?) (... "Fireside Chat")
  • POD PROGRAM (59A: TV show about a group of whales?) (... "Ph.D. program")
Word of the Day: Roger KAHN (66A: Roger who wrote "A Season in the Sun") —
Roger Kahn (October 31, 1927 – February 6, 2020) was an American author, best known for his 1972 baseball book The Boys of Summer. (wikipedia) // [On A Season in the Sun (1977)] In 1976 Roger Kahn spent an entire baseball season, from spring training through the World Series, with players of every stripe and competence. The result is this book, in which Kahn reports on a small college team's successes and hopes, a young New England ball club, a failing major league franchise, and a group of heroes on the national stage. (Google Books)
• • •

There are a lot of "ugh"s and frowny faces in the margins of this one. The theme itself is so slim that the funniness payoff needs to be big, and it isn't. This is a simple letter swap—a theme as old as the hills. Very 20th century. And I don't mind a throwback theme if you can do something great with it, if you can make your tiny changes yield genuine LOL wackiness. But these answers are all pretty limp. I don't know how hard it is to find words that will let you change them into other words by making an "H" an "O," but I'm guessing pretty hard. Still, you gotta do better than AFTER SOAVE or POD PROGRAM. You especially have to do better than AFTER SOAVE and POD PROGRAM when the rest of your grid is so lumpy and stale. This was one of those where I knew I was in for a rough ride before I even got out of the tiny NW corner. TAD ASAHI OHOHOH REHEM OMANI is *not* promising stuff, especially when that section of the grid isn't even compromised by a theme answer. And sure enough, the short fill continued in this vein, despite the theme's not being particularly dense or otherwise tricky to pull off. TAD and SLEW and ALOT. If we could find ATON and SCAD, we'd have a Crosswordese Amounts basketball team! You've got General MEADE and his STENO and of course MNEMENEMEMEMENMO or whatever Her name is, wow, yeah, and then the TEA RAT, yuck, those are the worst, I take my tea without rats, thanks. OMNI ANNO ONIT NAW. Truly an onslaught. You get one good longer answer, "I CAN'T EVEN!" and you get Natalie PORTMAN (who I forgot ever won an Oscar, sorry, Natalie, my bad), and then you get, what, HONOREE? CAR LOAN? Somebody named BEA HERO? Oof, BE A HERO, that has some big EAT A SANDWICH energy (BE A HERO! EAT A SANDWICH! There's your new slogan, delis of the world! It's all yours!). The only difficulty in this puzzle was coming up with the themers, which are somewhat hard to see when you don't know the gimmick yet, as the grid phrases are nuts and the base phrases can only be grasped after you've filled in the grid phrases. Beyond that little bit of resistance, the grid doesn't put up much of a fight. 


I thought the muse was MNEMO (41A: Muse of memory), which is what happens when your brain crosses "mnemonic" with Mets outfielder Brandon NIMMO. Actually, MNEMO is just the first five letters of "mnemonic," so it felt right. Wrong. Ah well, SLEW to the rescue, I guess. I had trouble with DEAF because I didn't know what the "signers" were signing (I figured contracts). I had trouble with NONRANDOM because the clue just doesn't seem correct (35D: Like the results of loaded dice). The "results" of dice throws ... are they truly random? Obviously your odds of throwing certain numbers are greater than those of throwing other numbers, but I'm probably confusing mathematical concepts here. Anyway, whatever the clue, kind of hard for me to like NONRANDOM. I thought KAHN was a songwriter and "A Season in the Sun" was a song from some musical. This despite owning Roger KAHN's "The Boys of Summer." Last little screw-up came at the very end, where I figured the [Valuable diamond] was ICE. But it was ACE. You know, playing cards. 


Probably shouldn't have clued PORTMAN via the Oscar, since "Oscar" is part of EGOT (57D: Feat for a performer, in brief). And was there no other MARCO you could've gone with in that MARCO MADNESS clue!? I mean, just the weakest, bootlickingest twerp there is in the Senate. Let the former president just push him around. I mean, I almost had respect for him when he was "calling Trump a "con artist" and saying that Trump is "wholly unprepared to be president of the United States" but then he gave the bully all his lunch money and told him what a great man he was. Anyone with integrity and self-respect would've broken with his party. But no. Huge embarrassment. It's bad enough I gotta suffer through the resurrection of Reagan/Bush propagandist Peggy NOONAN (36A: Political columnist Peggy), but to have her crossing Rubio, ugh, it's A LOT to take in one puzzle. I know the puzzle feels very strongly about right-wing representation, but show some restraint. Anyway, I hope you digital solvers didn't have 2 much trouble entering the "2" into the grid today. And I really hope you enjoyed this a hell of a lot more than I did. Good day.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. good morning to my readers in São Paolo, Tel Aviv, and Beirut. I see you! (Google Analytics is fun sometimes ...)

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135 comments:

Sioux Falls 6:16 AM  

Yeah.... what about FERVOR OVER POLO? instead? Didnt mind Noonan as much as OFL as I would take a Reagan/Bush Republican over the current GOP crowd.

OffTheGrid 6:34 AM  

I should have stopped after OHOHOH. It really was an omen that this puzzle would stink. I didn't waste much more time before I let it go.

Unknown 6:49 AM  

The weakest, bootlickingest twerp in the senate? Well, maybe.We’re spoiled for choice there.

Z 6:50 AM  

Ugh. What Rex said.

@Sioux Falls - Make no mistake, they are Reagan Republicans. And MARCO was following George I who went from “Voodoo Economics” to boot locker.

@M&A and @Bet the Over Yesterday - 35% - High but not close to the record.

Teresa 6:50 AM  

Speaking of a right-wing quota, no objection to IKEA, whose founder was an unabashed Nazi sympathizer?

Unknown 6:51 AM  

Thank you making me smile, at least once a day. Thank you for exposing me to new music and diverse perspectives.

smalltowndoc 7:03 AM  

The NW was a challenge for me. I’m not familiar with the abbreviation U.X and I don’t know anything about Japanese beers (actually, I didn’t know that was the subject of 2D until after I solved the puzzle and Googled both Kirin and ASAHI).

And OH OH OH? What is that? The sound you hear when Santa heads back up the chimney?

Last, I have a nit to pick with today’s Spelling 🐝. Abattoir is a perfectly fine word!

That’s all.

Conrad 7:04 AM  


Was OHOHOH at 20A a stealth themer? And shouldn't it have been clued as "Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!" to convey the sense of three-ness?

Easy puzzle, easy-medium theme.

kitshef 7:06 AM  

Liked the theme a lot. The themers were baffling until I hit the reveal, whereupon they made sense. Also, the theme helped in the the remainder of the solve (SOAVE is not in my database).

Agree the fill needs a lot of work. Weakest entries are probably the symmetrical OHOHOH and TEARAT.

Anonymous 7:19 AM  

@Teresa: Ahhhh, you beat me to it. Was going to mention that there had obviously been a typesetting error in the clue for 7D, which should have been "Retail giant founded in 1943 by a 17-year-old Nazi." It's 2022 and a lot of companies worldwide have blood on their hands, so no objection to IKEA by itself. But when you invoke the founder, that's another story.

That clue, along with the MARCO reference and NOONAN, left me with a sour taste. Re Rex's comment, I think that the senior senator from South Carolina gives Little Marco a run for his money, lickspittle-wise.

The puz itself was meh. EARDRUMS was a perfect example of a stretch too far and a clue too clever by half.

Anonymous 7:30 AM  

Teresa’s comment re IKEA +1. If you’re going to clue it, reference deforestation, landfill choking, and visual awfulness? (I don’t have the language of that clue ready to hand, but I trust this crowd’s generativity.)

And did nobody else think 48D 66A was a bad cross? (I always spelled the abbreviation of tranquilizer with a q, same as I do the shortened form of perquisite.) So I’m thinking “Can’t be a Q, so I’m down to C or K. I’m At SEA.”

Phillyrad1999 7:35 AM  

Wow. First off I’m pretty sure it is OOH OOH OOH. Maybe I should ask Horshack. Clueing off POD Program was brutal. As for Bootlickingest Twerp, it is quite a contest and I’m not sure that there is technology sophisticated to detect it. As for seeing that Senator’s name in the puzzle, it was a cold bucket of H20 like the puzzle itself.

JD 7:36 AM  

Used my Wednesday brain and understood substituting an O for an H but couldn’t make the leap to H2O at the end. Assumed Mach 2 but didn’t get close to imagining that I should just type in a number. DNF with that and the User X crossing.

Non-Boomer commenters, there was a TV show in the mid '70s where a dimwitted character would raise his hand in class and shout Oh Oh Oh. That clue might be channeling that show.

Gunner 7:39 AM  

Tea rat?? C'mon Rex. It's tear at. Geez.

Son Volt 7:47 AM  

As usual - I don’t get butt hurt over puzzle content no matter what it is. I do however get upset over bad puzzles - we’ve had a run of them this week - today is no different. Letter swapping at its worst. This theme needs to be completely off the wall to hit.

OH OH OH x REHEM, CAR LOAN, TRANK etc don’t help.

He emptied out his EAR DRUMS I emptied out mine - Give him jug band music

Where is my Thursday puzzle?

Anonymous 7:47 AM  

Yeah, that NYTXW app is getting really annoying. Took me forever (well, a couple of minutes, anyway) to find my error. I finally ditched the rebus TWO for 2. Sheesh. And the app doesn’t even track stats anymore since the most recent update. What am I paying for?

Lewis 7:47 AM  

I loved the reveal – [Fire fighter, familiarly]. I kept thinking, “What the heck do we commonly call those heroes who put out fires?” Silence. Long silence. So, when it turned out to be water, that was one big “Hah!”, best moment of the puzzle for me, even better than the “Aha!” that came with figuring out the H-to-O letter switch at the second theme answer.

This is Alan’s 132nd puzzle in the Times, which I find remarkable, and I can’t think of a good adjective to describe the output of record-holder Manny Nosowsky – 254 puzzles. My brain explodes.

I liked the little rhyme thing going on in today’s grid: KNEW/SLEW, DÉCOR/AMOR/SOAR/POR, TAD/IPAD, and KAHN/DON. I also liked the cross of MACH2 and EARDRUMS because I thought the former would create a heck of a sonic boom, but now, after some research, I see that it doesn’t. Only at Mach 1 does the sonic boom happen. Mach 2 doesn’t create one of its own. Huh.

And here are two French-inspired H-to-O word switches – FRANCHISE to FRANÇOISE, and SHUFFLE to SOUFFLÉ. You’re welcome.

For me, much to squeeze out of this puzzle. Thank you for a fun excursion, Alan!

Anonymous 7:48 AM  

One of the faster thursdays I’ve completed. Needed help with TUROW, as I had pACE crossing for go, go, go. Seems reasonable enough. Really wanted 48d to be spelled TRANq but KNEW i wouldn’t be satisfied. The clue for EARDRUMS brought me back to pre-pandemic days of shows and mild tinnitus the day after. For some reason WIREMESH is so dumb and boring I can’t get over it. It’s like talking about various shades of white paint.

-Brando

relicofthe60s 7:50 AM  

I abhor Republicans as much as the next guy, but are we really saying they should be banned from the puzzle, except maybe for Liz Cheney and dead ones like Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Teddy Roosevelt? Seems a bit much.

Sir Hillary 7:54 AM  

So this is a Thursday because...there's a number in the grid? Seems more apt for a Tuesday. All the fresh, edgy crosswords out there really contrast against the stodginess of this one. Which I guess is a point Rex makes ALOT.

SouthsideJohnny 8:00 AM  

Rex sums up the solving experience pretty accurately for me as well. Definitely sensed danger (an accurate assessment, I might add) right in the northwest with TUROW, ASHAI and the awful nonsense of OH OH OH all stuffed into that corner without even the constraint of a theme entry dragging it down - just slipshod construction/editing in my view. The Times can definitely do better than that, unfortunately they choose not to.

I don’t have the same visceral reaction to Peggy Noonan as some others, as I’ve always found that she expresses her opinion without resorting to the pettiness of a Rex for example, who pretty much summarily disavows anyone he disagrees with of any worth whatsoever. I will however go on record as stating that I personally believe that by far the largest waste of oxygen in the Senate is Ted Cruz, not the wimpy Rubio.

Missed opportunity here today on a Thursday. This puzzle would feel at home in a lesser publication, but it doesn’t shine brightly enough to grace the pages of the Old Gray Lady.

Anonymous 8:03 AM  

MnemOSYNE is the goddess of memory and the mother of the Muses. She herself is not a Muse and her name is not Mneme. The Greek word mneme means memory.
Awful, awful, no good, terrible, clueing.

Anonymous 8:07 AM  

I’m surprised Rex didn’t address the problem with Phd Program—the O in program should have disqualified this answer. What is a Phd prhgram?

MaxxPuzz 8:07 AM  

Had OOH OOH! at first, but no.
Agree about the slimy choices made by the constrctor. Unpleasantness at every turn today.

Nancy 8:14 AM  

So I tried to guess what the revealer would be, but of course I couldn't. H2O (H "Two" O) does not equal H "to" O. It just doesn't.

Still, here we have a change-a-letter-to-produce-a-wacky-phrase kind of puzzle. There's always that as a fall-back idea when the Puzzle Muse isn't sitting on your shoulder and gifting you with a more original and inspired idea. I know how that feels, btw. The Puzzle Muse isn't sitting on my shoulder right now either.

But the wacky phrase-type puzzle should ideally produce either big guffaws or big "Aha"s -- and this, at least for me, produced neither. I never cracked a smile. Nor did I once think "Wow!!! What a neat trick!!"

And then there was the crosswordese-y fill: OHOHOH; I CAN'T EVEN; ARF; POR; NAW. I found this a really weak and disappointing Thursday -- not that every Thursday can be a "Wow!" of course. The Puzzle Muse just has to show up once in a while.

ncmathsadist 8:20 AM  

This was a joyless slog. BEAHERO? How about STUBMYTOEATNIGHGT?

Z 8:31 AM  

@Anon8:07 - It is H2O, not O2H

@Anon8:03 - Funny thing about gods and goddesses… go back far enough and they will have all kinds of different names, many very close to one another.

@relic - I hate peas. Distasteful things. That’s not the same as saying I think they should be banned from crosswords.

@Gunner - Why are you ruining a perfectly good joke with facts?

BTW - I do have to wonder if the irony of Rubio’s inclusion in an H2O themed puzzle has struck anyone else, yet.

Laura 8:40 AM  

Blah puzzle today...I guess we got our one good Thursday last week. But I did enjoy all the comments, an OFL's witty take down of Rubio. So some fun today...

blinker474 8:48 AM  

Very nice puzzle: thank you Alan Arbesfeld and Will Shortz. I feel sorry for Rex who is a true hater when it comes to politics. And if you want to rank Senators for their bad qualities, you must have Chuck Schumer right up on the top of that list.

Photomatte 8:50 AM  

Really easy for a Thursday. My only nit was 48 Down (sedative, for short). The answer was TRANK, which I've only ever seen spelled as TRANQ.
As for the right-leaning content of today's puzzle, let's not forget it took Clinton eight years to fix the mess he inherited from 12 years of Reaganomics and it took Obama eight years to overcome the economic disaster created by Bush Jr's policies (borrow and spend, borrow and spend). It will take much longer than two years for Biden to get America back on track after four years of anarchy created by the worst president we never elected.

Tim 9:08 AM  

'Nonrandom' is indeed incorrect. Randomness, as standardly used in probability theory, does not imply that all outcomes occur with equal frequency. It is instead about the impossibility of constructing a gambling system that would let you know when an outcome is more likely to occur, given the preceding outcomes.

Mike in Bed-Stuy 9:09 AM  

Thanks to this blog, I'm getting better at detecting nuances of construction, both in terms of fill and clues. The clue for 13A [The "U" of U.X.] is a Monday clue, by which I mean a clue that eschews any level of wordplay in favor of asking the filler simply to know what part of an abbreviation stands for. Those clues are to crosswords as puns are to humor: the lowest form.

albatross shell 9:10 AM  

@anon730am 24
I think TRANK has been the standard NYTCW spelling. At least it's the only one I remember of late. Of course that may be because it is the one someone always complains about.

NOONAN Rubio and the Nazi founder did not bother me at all. Maybe because I wouldn't mind seeing the H- knocked out of them. Get with it folks. Have some fun with it, I know y'all are clever. Don't wear a frowny face.

Very nice theme with a great revealer. A little disappointed there were other H's in the puzzle because of that recent great puzzle.

Then a little more disappointed that the change back to H did not work with all the downs and then realized I had been Rex‐infected with dreams of implausible expectations and took a double shot of bourbon to kill the infection.

I got H2O easily. I got the the muse!! I got the wacky answers. But 1 2 3 and 14 down! I had a weird mental blocked on TUROW and OMANI and the rest too ambiguous and U.X. unknown. So I looked up U.X. and solved from there. OH OH OH that WIREMESH clue was one tricky non-misdirection.

CasualJavelin 9:15 AM  

Ugh, I had KNEE/NAE in that NE corner and had already convinced myself that it was just sloppy clueing (KNELT would've made more sense, I suppose) given the mess of the rest of the fill in this puzzle. In retrospect, I guess it was wishful thinking for a clue to remind me of folks like Colin Kaepernick in the midst of answers referencing a spineless bootlicker, a Nazi sympathizer, and an overgeneralizing propagandist.

pabloinnh 9:15 AM  

Well excuuuuuse me, but I thought the H2O thing was kind of fun. Caught on with MARCOMADNESS and thought the other ones were stretchy enough to provide at least a minimum amount of amusement.

Never heard of ERIKA and I was only assuming the memory muse had to start MNEM, otherwise no real hangups. Agree with the negative assessments of OHOHOH and for me, the Roger who writes about baseball will always be Mr. Angell, although I very much liked The Boys of Summer.

Totally agree with @smalltowndoc concerning today's SB, and for the same reason. I mean, really.

Maybe not a gold star today, AA, but had enough Assorted Amusements to keep me entertained. Thanks for some fun.

Anonymous 9:17 AM  

It never ceases to amaze me that people who presumably love words--crossword enthusiasts-- fail to appreciate someone like Peggy Noonan who is utterly masterful with them
Set aside your political views and appreciate the power and beauty of her prose. She's unbelievably gifted. And her Pulitzer was shamefully late in coming.
I'm sick and tire of the trite " I love wordplay "nonsense I read here all the time. If you like word play you like Peggy Noon.
The inability to subordinate politics to appreciate genius is one of the saddest things in the current culture.
And If Ms. Noonan s ( or anyone in her ambit) reads this: Thank You. your column, your books, even some of your Sunday Morning talk show appearances are a joy.

Mike in Bed-Stuy 9:18 AM  

@Photomatte 8:50 AM - Agreed about Biden. Off topic, I know, but I wanna say it anyway: I think Joe Biden may be one of the best presidents in American history. I think historians may well recognize this in time, although I don't see much evidence of that in the short run. And I think the results of yesterday's NYT poll are so very sad—how easily the respondents as a group descended right into ageism as a scapegoat for their unhappiness with inflation and other crises of the day, all of which would be much worse if not for the experienced hand of Biden. In 2015/16, it was commonly said that, love or or hate her, Hilary Clinton was the candidate best qualified for the office in American history. I thought she was pretty qualified at that, but I think it's Joe Biden who was, and remains, the best qualified candidate for the job in all of American history.

Gary Jugert 9:25 AM  

There's a 2 in the puzzle. It's staring at me saying, "Go ahead, make a wise crack about me being a 2 in a crossword puzzle." It mocks me. It's like seeing an eagle on a light pole and knowing full well it's going to eat a cat and it's attitude is, "Whatcha gonna do about it, huh?" Well, I'm gonna worry and fret and try to warn the kitties.

The only themer I love is FIRESIDE COAT. The rest seem like jokes I'd make, i.e., not so great.

I count about 10 people in the puzzle and a couple of countries. Always seems weird to use so many. It seems like the wrong approach to making it challenging. I wish they'd use common words and write better clues.

Yays:

Learned what UX means and my UX for this puzzle was iffy and down right rancorous in the NW.

Learned SOAVE is wine. 🍷

EMOJIs can show up everywhere. 🎉

I grokked MNEME all on my own. 🤔

Boos:

ONIT crossing INON. C'mon, you're not even trying at that point.

MARCO RUBIO. Blech.

NOONAN is from Caddy Shack, not the OP/ED pages.

TRANK. Nope.

TUROW would never have come to me so Uncle G helped since everything in that corner was blank.

Uniclues

1 A pond.
2 Happy thought on discovering a show dedicated to racing on Tatooine.
3 Feng shui.
4 Billy's tailor.
5 Comedies about tall people who help get things off the top shelf.
6 Barely literate Viking asking for an old fashioned beer in writing.

1 TAD BASIC RINK
2 "POD PROGRAM, NICE"
3 DECOR -- NONRANDOM
4 REHEM JOEL PRO
5 "BE A HERO" SITCOMS
6 SEND MEADE

Gary Jugert 9:29 AM  

Brilliant.

JD 9:36 AM  

In what context is H2O "familiarly" used for water? It's the exact opposite.

Fair shake 9:40 AM  

Wow, it is quite perplexing how you can stand your guard as a staunch one party person. I mean, both parties have idiots and bad policies, both parties have good people and policies that actually work and help people. But, to be so stuck on one party, when shit is out of control is truly remarkable.

bocamp 9:41 AM  

Thx, Alan, for a refreshingly 'watered' down Thurs. puz! :)

Easy-med.

Very much on Alan's wavelength for this one, except …

Dnfed at the TRANK / KAHN cross. Maybe some day I'll remember it's not TRANc. Will have to devise a MNEMonic.

Was thinking of Scott TUROW and his great read, 'One L', just yd; that went right in.

Fun solve. :)
___
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

Carola 9:42 AM  

I'm with @Rex on this one. I thought the change from ShAVE to SOAVE was clever, but the four theme phrases seemed to me more wan than wacky.

kitshef 9:43 AM  

Today is the fifth TRANK in the Shortz era, tying up the score at TRANK 5, TRANQ 5.

Pre-Shortz, TRANK appeared seven additional times, but always as some form of skin from which gloves are cut.

Anonymous 9:45 AM  

@Lewis 7:47
That's an example of WS playing favorites.

Nick 9:51 AM  

Unpleasant from start to voluntary dnf.

Anonymous 9:55 AM  

@Mike in Bed-Stuy 9:18
I CANT EVEN...

Anonymous 9:56 AM  

Mike in Brooklyn,
It aint ageism. Mr. Biden is visibly unwell. Anyone who denies it is simply being willfully ignorantly.

Joseph Michael 10:00 AM  

So then shouldn’t the answers be:

20A - OOOOOO
24A - WIREMESO
65A - MOCOA
66A - KAON

I oad ooped ohis puzzle would oave a ouge oho moment, but all I got was an H2O.

Anonymous 10:06 AM  

Wooosh.

RooMonster 10:10 AM  

Hey All !
The ole brain refused to see just what in tarhooties the theme was today. I did get a complete fill and the Happy Music, so Yay on that, but I couldn't get "water" to work in any way with the Themers. "Change the O to an H" you say? *Woosh* over the head. Maybe add another layer to the Themer clues? Something like - Seeking a dry Italian wine, after beard trimming? - to get across what needs to happen. H2O wasn't enough. At least to me, so far, no one else missed it. Doesn't bode well for my brain.

This seemed more of a WedsPuz to me, I can't remember who it was who used to get quite upset at commenters who say that! But, tis true.

OohooH messing me up for quite a while in NW. What else could it be, I wondered? OHOHOH, oh. Was that an extra Revealer? O to H-O to H-O to H.

Strange puz. And the 2 not even the strangest part.

EGOT to go.

yd -11, should'ves 7 - I'm on a Not Caring How I Finish SB kick now. Thinking about stopping doing it, but at this point it's a habit!

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 10:10 AM  

LOL Mods--
Rex is still a lecturer at second rate state school in a podunk town.
Truth hurts, I guess.

jberg 10:14 AM  

I had AFTER SOAVE and MARCO MADNESS, but somehow hadn't notice that both were H-to-O shifts. (@Nancy, the clue says "phonetic hint.") The, like @Conrad, I thought the muse was Mnemosyne, and when the clue force me to MNEME I thought I had an OSYN rebus on my hands; but I couldn't find any others. Finally, I started to fill in MACH ii and ran out of space, so I looked to 69-A. Like @Lewis, I could only think of the people with boots and axes, so I tried the two other downs. STENO was easy enough, but who was Bathsheba married to? I almost went with URiel (actually an angel, I think), and only then realized one could fight fire with H2O. That made the puzzle a lot better, IMO, though I can see the remaining problems.

When I was all done I looked up MNEME in Wikipedia; sure enough, one of the threeoriginal Boeotian muses. As for MNEMOSYNE, she's the goddess of memory, and "mother of the nine muses," none of whom is MNEME. Go figure.

jberg 10:15 AM  

Forgot to ask -- does U.X. stand for USER experience? If so, shouldn't it be UX? since the X is not an initial.

Anonymous 10:17 AM  

I expect a temper tantrum from Rex whenever a Republican politician is in the puzzle and he did not disappoint. Peggy Noonan though ? I suspect he doesn’t even read her column, which is behind the WSJ paywall. She is hardly right wing. The title and subtitle of her June30 column, e.g., is The Courage of Jan. 6 Witness Cassidy Hutchinson
She showed more guts than any of Trump’s men. Her testimony strengthens the case for prosecution..

mathgent 10:24 AM  

I read Peggy Noonan's column in WSJ on Saturday mornings. She is dead-set against Trump.

Anonymous 10:29 AM  

thought you might say something about FIRE being in a theme answer AND being in the main theme clue.

Anonymous 10:31 AM  

Well said

puzzlehoarder 10:34 AM  

Yes this was a prolonged dad joke supported by some really bad fill but I'm used to this square sense of humor by now and slogged through it. I thought the congrats might be delayed when I used a 2 instead of some kind of rebus but it worked just fine.

yd -0

Anonymous 10:35 AM  

“British counterpart of subterranean pizza aficionado?”

Anonymous 10:37 AM  

Yes exactly. It is still random. “nonuniform” maybe?

other david 10:38 AM  

Kind of cringed at "busted" ear drums being in the puzzle with deaf people. But that's me I guess. I got the letter replacement immediately with the boot-licker reference (remember when we had a President lit'le Marco would try to take on during March Madness? No?) and was really hoping the reveal would have something to do with a train set. But no. Just water. Wasn't there another H2O reveal a few weeks ago?

I couldn't believe this thing ran on a Thursday. Felt very Tuesdayish to me.

Whatsername 10:39 AM  
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Bob 10:49 AM  

This blog( the big guy-Rex- in particular) and the comments it brings would all be much improved if politics were kept out of it.

Anonymous 10:49 AM  

FH
Oh dear. Rex is off his meds

Anonymous 10:49 AM  

Rex reminds me of a crazy uncle. Just laugh at him. No one is forcing you to read him.

jae 10:53 AM  

Easy. Easier than yesterday’s for me. A cute idea but I agree with @Rex on this one.

Pete 10:53 AM  

This is the first puzzle in decades I've said screw it and just hit reveal, rather than look for my mistake. I've often not finished puzzles, but never (essentially) said I don't care. I failed at A[S]AHI x U[S]ER.

First, I don't really know much about beer. I haven't had a drink in 31 years, 29 days, and even before then, beer was just pisswater, a very, very sad last resort. I had to open a beer for a 91yo woman yesterday noon, and wow, that somehow that whoosh of the twist-off sent me back to 31 years, 31 days ago when pisswater would do when nothing else was available, a feeling I have felt in decades. I really wasn't in the mood to take a deep dive into my Xword knowledge of Japanese beer.

Second, User Experience is UX, not U.X. I partially work in UX. I've attended conferences on UX. I put UX experience in my CV. It's UX.

I know there's such a thing as Uber X, which I thought people might abbreviate as U.X.

@9:17 Talent used in support of malfeasance is not the virtue you seem to think it is.

Anonymous 10:55 AM  

Peggy Noonan is clear-eyed and even-handed. Always has been. Even as a scriptwriter for the world's most important office.
The maniac today isn't she, but Rex, whose animus has blinded him.

Anonymous 10:59 AM  

Wonderful. Cluing OH OH OH like that would have singlecluedly gone a long way to making Rex happier!

Whatsername 11:05 AM  

O MAN I did not have any ughs or frowny faces in my margin, just a great big WTF! It’s becoming quite clear why Jeff Chen chose Monday as his puzzle of the week. 

I admit I haven’t been around many firefighters in my life but I never heard one called H2O. And even after I saw the trick and the “phonetic” hint, I was trying to think of something that rhymed with it. (Nothing) Didn’t know SOAVE from Chianti and I have no idea how the clue for 12D means KNEW.



Do any of you watch Yellowstone?** I wouldn’t bother with @Nancy’s Wall today. I’d give this tone to Rip and tell him to take it to the train station.







** A series on the Paramount channel. The setting at an actual ranch in southern Montana is spectacular and stars Kevin Costner who looks like he was born to play the role of patriarch of the powerful Dutton clan. Kind of a cross between Dallas and The Sopranos. Unfortunately a great deal of language and violence but if you can get past that, a most excellent PROGRAM.


egsforbreakfast 11:24 AM  

Rex. Don’t get all bent out of shape about 36A. It’s actually referring to political columnist Peggy Nhhnan.

If you’ve won an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony, you’re on an EGOTrip.

STENO, appropriately, anagrams to “notes”.

AFTERSOAVE I TRANK ASAHI. Then the puzzle got fun. Actually, I thought this was a nice, if stale, theme that was supported by an excellent revealer. Thanks, Alan Arbesfeld.

Anonymous 11:31 AM  

I’m surprised that nobody has pointed out that FIRE is both in a clue and a theme answer.
As for TR, I hate that the Republican Party claims him (and Lincoln) as one of their own. They are both about as far from today’s clump of oafs as can possibly be.

old timer 11:32 AM  

Thanks to @Son Volt for the reference to Jug Band Music, which I immediately googled, and got to hear again. Cleverest song in history. "And everybody know that the very last line...."

I finished the puzzle with H2O, and join the crowd of Mehsayers. Not the sharpest pencil in the Thursday box. I do remember NOONAN though, and if her column were in the Times I would read it. If you want me to read the WSJ take away the damn paywall. I used to buy it when we had an actual newspaper, magazine, and cigar store not far from my house. But I am not going to pay for an online subscription.

I did grin at AFTER SOAVE, but really did not understand that all the themers went from H to O until I came here.

Marion 11:38 AM  

Agree re abbatoir. It seems to part of a theme. Yesterday the words dump and midden were rejected.

Anonymous 11:42 AM  

haven't started the comment stream, but 71 by now proves that when OFL offers up screed, things get more interesting with more engagement. reign in the Mods.

TTrimble 11:47 AM  

The commentariat is in fine form today, but I'm not quite on board with the hate on the theme. The wackiness/silliness of answers like AFTER SOAVE and POD PROGRAM elicited genuine smiles from me, if not actual "big guffaws" (pace @Nancy, that's an awfully high bar to clear in my opinion -- I can't remember the last time a crossword made me do that, if indeed one ever has). And again, with all due respect to @Nancy, I don't think H2O as such is flawed; the claim is that it's merely a hint. A punny hint.

It might be last-century in its thematic sensibility; I'm not an expert. But if the literal theme hasn't really been done before, then I'd say it's fair game.

Anyway, I do agree that some of the puzzle is pretty bad. OH OH OH is lazy, and thank you to the commenter who invoked Horshack as the obvious expert. REHEM is a nose-wrinkler. TRANK might be attested somewhere on the internet, but I think I've seen TRANq rather more? Although that obviously couldn't be right here (and TRANc is definitely out; wouldn't even make sense).

I thought Rex was relatively mild today on the anti-right sentiment -- he was more or less saying, "rein it in, boys". NOONAN I'd say is tolerable, for a crossword. Especially considering today's standards, represented more closely by MARCO (and he's nowhere near the worst; he's still really bad). Didn't know the trivia about the Nazi IKEA founder -- that's an example of what I mean by the commentariat being in fine form today. (And I was rather impressed by the recent pushback against YAHWEH; I hadn't appreciated that the feeling was so strong.)

I'm not a card-carrying statistician, but NONRANDOM is fine I think. The outcomes of rolls of a well-constructed die are about as random as anything else you care to name and would follow a uniform probability distribution. I don't know if the conversation should be pursued that much further: "randomness" is not such a clean concept after all* (I could quote some illustrious probability theorists here), and crosswords are not required to get all the scientific or philosophical subtleties exactly right. Joaquin's Dictum and all.

For me, a quicker solve than usual for a Thursday.

Another thumbs up to @smalltowndoc for mentioning the SB omission of "abattoir". Really, the SB, which I still do obsessively every day, is more or less an exercise in committing to memory Ezersky's list, and a pretty silly eclectic (and unstable!) list it is. One of today's R- words in particular is pretty silly, although it's in the list, so in it goes, sigh, no more questions asked.

GILL I. 11:50 AM  

Well...let's see. Scritch scratch scritch scratch picking nits here and there.
I'll start by saying that this was pretty easy for me. Then I'll say that OHOHOH should be a no no no. Isn't NAW spelled NAH? I did like that little POR favor MARACA SERAPE corner. Anything Espanol gets my AMOR.
Speaking of Spanish...YOu know what saddens me? That MARCO Rubio is the son of Cuban immigrants. So is Ted Cruz but I think he was dropped on his coco when he entered the world as we know it.
I did like seeing NOONAN. Hay, @Rex...she's considered a conservative columnist. She writes well, she's funny and her distain for Trump is evident. She and Liz Chaney are a "few" of my heroes. Trump called Peggy a weak and frail RINO because she said "BAD" things about him...Imagine that?
Well...I guess Mr. Chen did forewarn us this past Monday. When he gives a POW first thing, then we pretty much know the rest is downhill.
Please let Friday have a little treat or two. POR FAVOR.....

Anonymous 11:51 AM  

Rex
I read your passive aggressive snarky tweet regarding me.
Eat shit you pencil-necked geek.

Anonymous 12:00 PM  

there's a great little scene in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo" (Craig version; don't recall whether it's taken from the book, I suspect so, or added by the screenwriter) where Mikael is interviewing one of the elderly uncles/whatever. he is living in one of the mansions, but it's filled with much olde stuff, including many photos of Nazi folks. including, we are led to believe, he and other family members. during the conversation, Mikael asks along the line of does he have an issue with people? he replies, "Sveden".

there's been a lot of Nazi-ish behaviour in the Nordic countries for a long time:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_Sweden
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Finland
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement

but, of course, it can't happen here. right?

Anonymous 12:05 PM  

Pretty easy and fun (I’m a Dad). Needed it after reading headlines.😡

TTrimble 12:08 PM  

Oh, if anyone cares, I had an asterisk in my previous comment but then forgot to give the footnote. I was going to say, regarding "randomness" as being not such a clean concept, that one often hears for example that the digits of pi are conjectured to be "randomly distributed", even though in a strict sense they couldn't be (being well-determined, after all). And empirically, true randomness as an inherent feature of the world, applied to die rolls for example, is open to objections along Laplace's demon lines. Ultimately, I think "randomness" refers back to human knowledge and belief. (Does that make me a Bayesian? I don't know.)

Anonymous 12:08 PM  

the whole point of loaded dice is they behave NON-randomly. they're 'loaded' to prefer 7 and/or 11. don't know for sure if both numbers can be fiddled at once. in any case, they make it higher than normal to roll a 'natural', but also increase to odds of craps if you don't roll 7/11.

sixtyni yogini 12:10 PM  

Some clever non theme clues 👍🏽, but the H thing…. So what?🤷‍♀️
Prefer a little more sparkle, but it was fast and interesting despite the strained? Yawn? theme.
🤗🦖🦖🦖🦖😔

Euclid 12:23 PM  

@TTrimble:

If you can write a random digit generator program that never fails, you'll win a lot of money and a prize from some institution.


"Does that make me a Bayesian? "

Lord, I hope not. All they do is add hand-waving to justify data manipulation. We should all get to re-naming it "Trumptistics".

Masked and Anonymous 12:27 PM  

The Arbesfeldmeister! This is his 132nd rodeo here. This theme was a bit more "watered"-down than his usual. Hey -- always real good to see an old pro back in action.

First of all, NONRANDOM seems perfectly fine to m&e, as an answer to its {Like the results of loaded dice} clue. Each unloaded die has a random chance of comin up with any of the numbers 1 thru 6. Not so, with a loaded one. Sooo … same logic applies to a pair of em. QED.

OHOHOH. har. Well, this puppy certainly didn't get the theme memo. Otherwise he'da showed up dressed as OOOOOO.

Thanx, @MagBeast Zed, for the PPP stats on yesterpuz.

staff weeject pick: H2O. It is quite rare, that a weeject has the distinct honor of bein the puztheme revealer, let alone gettin to pour water over it.

no-knows: ASAHI/The UXER of Mystery. ERIKA. KAHN. Fairly friendly, for a ThursPuz. And speakin of friendly …
fave moo-cow eazy-E ThursPuz rebus clue: {Double the speed of sound} = MACH2 [or MACO2, dependin on how nitpicky U are, in observin the puztheme rules].

some faves from the field: PORTMAN. HONOREE. ICANTEVEN. EMOJI clue.

Thanx for the rebus booster shot, Mr. Arbesfeld dude. A pretty good UX. ahar - Just added a new themer candidate, back there … BOOSTERSOOT. Well, hey -- better than PIZZAOUT, amiright?

Masked & AnonymoUUs


**gruntz**

Tom in Nashville 12:29 PM  

Puzzle was 'meh' to me.
Rex, you have a great blog, but I would love to see zero political commentary. I come here because I enjoy puzzle solving and love your analysis. I can get news and opinions on politics everywhere else these days.

TTrimble 12:37 PM  

Hi @Euclid,
Probably I'd agree with your first statement, but if I had to, it wouldn't be a classical program exactly; it'd be along quantum-mechanical lines. (We were talking about QUBITs the other day; I think I held back that day.)

As for "Bayesians" -- whew, that's quite a blanket condemnation! I'll suppose your referents are different from mine, and I'll say there are very many illustrious scientists, mathematicians, and scientists who are avowed Bayesians but who have never had anything to do with data manipulation. Yes, of course there may be plenty of such evil people.

Pete 12:42 PM  

Every die, or pair of dice, has its own distribution of outcomes. One of course wants the dice to be unbiased, so that over the long term you get the standard distribution of perfectly fair dice. If you have loaded dice, so that say a 3 or a 4 appear more often than would be expected, you have biased dice, ones that will result, over a long number of rolls, in a roll of 7 more often than would a pair of unbiased dice. Each roll of these dice would be random, you could get any result from 2 to 12 according to the (unknown) distribution of these biased dice.

Anyone get the idea that I believe the correct answer to 35D is BIASED? 'Cause it is. Except loosy goosy seems to rule for crosswords

Masked and Anonymous 12:57 PM  

p.s.

For completeness's sake, a possible BOOSTERSOOT clue:

{Treatment Santa gets, from an extra-dirty chimney?}.

M&Also

p.p.s.s.
Decided PIZZAOUT wasn't worth the trouble of cluin up, btw.

Euclid 12:57 PM  

@TTrimble:

Well, yeah, blanket. Guilty. I've long been of the view that Bayesian stats came to exist due to the requirements of PoD prhgrams: frequentist methods have been explored for so long that finding 'original problems' to study took more effort than plowing a 'new' field like Bayes.

Like loaded dice, Bayes offers up the temptation to put a thumb (or hammer) on the scales, thus affecting the result. That it isn't done every time by every practitioner is faint praise. So far, I think, the drug regulators have said Big NO to clinical trials with Bayesian methods.

Unknown 1:19 PM  

There's a wonderful take on today's puzzle in the NYT Wordplay column, without any of the misery that seeps through here. . . . .

Anonymous 1:32 PM  

Amen on abattoir! I kept trying thinking I spelled it wrong… nope. Wasn’t there! Nice to know I’m not the only one…🙂

Anonymous 1:38 PM  

If you also have a subscription to the NYT your stats are there when you go to the crossword section on that app! Just discovered that recently…

okanaganer 1:42 PM  

I couldn't get Across Lite to acknowledge my entry for that tricky square. I tried 2, II, TWO, and even TO but all were rejected. Then after revealing the correct square, it is indeed 2 after all? Well, I am using a "non-approved" application so I guess I can't complain.

@bocamp: ditto for fondly remembering "One L".

[Spelling Bee: yd pg-5; missed these. Like Roo, I am not putting as much effort into SB these days; it's just not a summer priority!
@Marion: midden and pediment were notably ridiculous rejections yd.]

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

Bravo!

Joe Dipinto 2:01 PM  

I always forget that Natalie Portman won an Oscar too. I think it's because I hated "Black Swan" so much that its existence refuses to stay in my memory bank.

JD 2:26 PM  

@smalltowndoc, Yes on abattoir.

@Gill, Yes, agree on Noonan!

BurnThis 2:54 PM  

Had rearm before rehem and tried to give Turow a French spelling (Turot) so that corner was death. Ohohoh, that sucked.

Chirp 3:00 PM  

You’re fun!

Chirp 3:04 PM  

Your Uniclues are fun! Will try that myself next time I slog through a boring puzzle.

(Only After Soave made me crack a smile & ohohoh! brings Hermione Granger to mind so those were 😁

Chirp 3:07 PM  

Exactly. I usually only read him when the puzzle has annoyed me. So crazy Uncle & I can clink glasses.

Unknown 3:15 PM  

Have to disagree re bootlickiest senator. Cruz takes that honor!

paulfahn 3:40 PM  

Thanks Rex for including the Terry Jacks song Season in the Sun. It’s all about death, yet was a huge number 1 summer pop hit. Pretty amazing IMO.

37th anniversary 4:21 PM  

My bride and I served Soave at our rehearsal dinner, so I'm always happy to be reminded of it.

Nancy 4:25 PM  

Aha! Someone else who really, really hated "Black Swan". Thanks, @Joe D (2:01)!

Actually I didn't really "see" the picture at all. I had my eyes clamped tightly shut through probably as much as 80% of it. I don't think I've ever had to do that before. Usually I know before buying a ticket that there are going to be visually upsetting horror scenes -- and so I don't buy that ticket. Never saw "The Exorcist" or "Jaws" or "Psycho" or "Diabolique" or anything that I knew upfront might give me nightmares. But I had no idea about "Black Swan" ahead of time -- I thought it would just be a ballet-driven film like "The Turning Point."

Wait. Now that I think of it, I clamped my eyes tightly shut during the hallucinatory scenes on the ceiling in "The Queen's Gambit" -- the TV series. I'll most likely go to my grave not knowing if they were visually upsetting or not; I simply refused to take a chance that they would be. Maybe someone here will tell me if they were or weren't?

JC66 4:26 PM  

Nor does SB take ORIBI.

CDilly52 4:29 PM  

Had a terrible time understanding the reveal clue. Made no sense. I know many firefighters and it took getting the H and O and solving most of the rest of the puzzle before my obviously fuzzy “vacation brain” (I am up in northern Michigan near Traverse City enjoying cool weather, hiking the woods and the beaches and my kids and granddaughter) before I realized that the clue said “fire fighter” not “firefighter.” Not only did I misread, many times, but I held onto my misunderstanding! Sheesh. Once I woke up and did the actual head smack, the 2 fell right in and I quit wondering what on earth AFTER SOAVE had to do with “firefighters.” Constructor 1; CDilly 0.

Anonymous 4:45 PM  

Came here to say this. Not uniformly distributed, or skewed distribution would be correct. But it’s still a random variable unless the die rolls a specific number 100% of the time without fail. Then I guess it would just be a constant?

Masked and Anonymous 4:57 PM  

@kitshef - fyi: nvm = never mind. I, too, thought that one was a little text-desperate.

M&A Help Desk

Doctor Work 4:58 PM  

I don't get all the debate about dice and randomness. A "fair" die creates random results, and a "loaded" die creates non-random results, by definition. End of story. Perhaps people missed the "loaded" part, or don't know what a loaded die is?

Anoa Bob 5:50 PM  

Drank a lot of beer during my two years in Japan so I got ASAHI right away. Kirin (key reen) beer has the best label design but I think Sapporo is the best tasting beer by far.

Science says that we live in a deterministic world, one where every effect has a cause. If that's true then nothing is random. Everything is NONRANDOM. It's just that some events, heads or tails on coin flips for example, have so many, difficult to precisely measure causal factors that it's practically impossible to accurately predict each outcome. Some of the factors would be the distribution of weight or density of material throughout each specific coin, the exact location and orientation of the coin on the flipper's thumb and finger, the angle of upward motion as the coin is being flipped, the amount of thumb velocity during the act of flipping, etc., etc. Yeah, I'm just trying to squeeze a little extra fun out of this puzz. It kind of went downhill after ASAHI.

Maybe fodder for a drop-a-letter theme with OMANI near OMNI. Do they still have courtroom STENOs? And do TEA RATs prefer black or green tea?

RooMonster 6:39 PM  

English TEA RATS drink Earl Grey.

RooMonster Random Posting Guy

albatross shell 6:54 PM  

God asks a good little girl what has her so upset.

My numbers homework. My teacher want us to choose one natural number totally randomly from the set of all natural numbers. I cannot understand how it can be done. Could you choose one number randomly for me?

Sure I am God. I can do anything. Get your pencil and paper and I will choose one number totally randomly. Get ready to write it down.

Oh good. I am ready.

Now if the girl can write one digit every second every day for the rest of her life, what are the odds she finishes writing the number down before she dies?

Assume being in the presence of God and writing the digits down have no effect on her life expectancy (or God's life expectancy).

Anonymous 7:08 PM  

Anon Bob,
Science says we live in a deterministic world?
Um, citation please.
Every ethicist says otherwise.

Anoa Bob 7:51 PM  

Anon @7:08, I assume you mean me, Anoa Bob. How about Sir Isaac Newton's Laws of Motion? No place for randomness there.

Anonymous 8:00 PM  

Yeah Bob,
That’s not what philosophers and ethicists call determinism.
As for anon Bob and anon Bob.they’re the same. You use anon Bob to remain anonymous.

albatross shell 8:23 PM  

@Nancy
As far as I can remember it was only chess moves on the ceiling. MyK hides her eyes alot and doesn't remember any problems with Queen's gambit. But knowing your sensitivity wait for a third opinion.

I had a chance to watch Ted Lasso season 1. As good as people say. A sports comedy with no knowledge of sports required. Some off-color humor and dirty words and some sex and nakedness. But morality optimism and Goodness are the show's backbone, somewhat unexpectedly.

Season 2 is more centered on the other characters, and I am told not as good.

egsforbreakfast 8:45 PM  

@Nancy. As I recollect, the hallucinations on the ceiling were brief flashes of an interminable series of crosswordese intercut with frequent pictures of Oreos. I particularly remember LEK, ARETE, LVII, ERSE, ASTA, AARE, ETUI, ULU and ANOA. But there were thousands more. I seriously doubt that you could have watched it and retained your sanity.

albatross shell 8:53 PM  

@anon 800pm
Anoa in any case. With email with a location and an interesting blog. Also a question about randomness that I am not sure was always there.

I might go with is radomness possible? Or is randomness provable?
Or some Kafkan assertion like only pure intent creates a random act.

And we are fairly confident that Anoa is Anoa is Anoa.
Ya know?

Rage 8:55 PM  

I like the reverse Santa cluing much better. I was sure “pick me” is always “ooh! ooh!” so I really struggled trying to make that fit longer than I care to admit. In retrospect, it would’ve at least ended up with a (double set) of H+2 Os. Instead we get three of each? Unless I’m missing something obvious, it was an unnecessary distraction when I was already just trying to figure out if all that clunkiness was the result of a theme (it was, and it wasn’t much fun). Does that mean the answer is a play on HHHHHH? See…dumb.

LateSolver 9:05 PM  

Started hard, then got easier. Turns out the 'hard' was just the lame answers Rex et. al. complained about. Once I got enough crosses to groan through them it was easier.

I wish we could stop politicizing the puzzle every day. I'm sure we can find as many skeletons in the closets of both sides of the aisle, it's just that this blog tends to one side and turns a blind eye to their own shortcomings. Politicians from either side are public figures and fair game for a puzzle.

Couch 9:16 PM  

Yeah, this made me angry. Spent a good amount of time trying to figure out how to do a rebus to fit the name in while cussing under my breath that Mnemosyne wasn't a muse, there was nine of them and she birthed them

Anonymous 9:30 PM  

Your Rubio comment escapes me.

Anonymous 9:44 PM  

The Democratic Party, yes, now and always, has many terrifically flawed human beings. Today’s Republican Party is historically evil and hell-bent on destroying our republic. Anyone who insists on exact parallels of the two groups…well, they are the ones whose viewpoints are hopelessly biased.

TTrimble 10:02 PM  

@Anoa Bob
I like your thought experiment/question, with the little girl.

Not meaning to nitpick or seem like I'm taking sides, but it sounds like you're ignoring quantum mechanics, which is not a deterministic theory of states and outcomes.

But perhaps the larger point you're making is that "randomness" as an absolute concept poses some philosophical problems, and that some of the relevant objections were put forth by earlier mathematicians like Laplace who was one of the most sophisticated exponents of the Newtonian picture (cf. Laplace's demon. I'd agree. (Interestingly, he was also an early pioneer of probability theory.)

Even if we put QM aside and accept Laplace's demon as a legit philosophical objection, "randomness" has for a long time played a significant scientific role, tied to human inability to reach the level of the demon; this WP article has some relevant material under Chaos Theory. One can get a visceral feel for this by simulating deterministic three-body systems, which can be loads of fun.

[Somewhat ironic about quantum mechanics is that Schroedinger's equation gives a deterministic description of a wave function. The irony is that what is actually determined is a probabilistic density matrix.]

@Euclid
My own purview is from mathematics (by the way: love your Elements!), which is undoubtedly puny compared to economics and business settings which are the major consumers. But I think the high-powered Bayesians who first pioneered these interpretations of probability theory were largely math types who didn't manipulate data in the way I think you mean. The sky's the limit in terms of self-serving hand-waving bullshit, I grant you.

Anonymous 10:10 PM  

Wow, that was really hard. I liked the theme and the “2” in the grid, but there were so. many. names. that I’d never heard of. MEADE, MNEME, KAHN, TUROW, URIAH, NOONAN… who are these people? I can only conclude that this puzzle is from one of the other dimensions in the multiverse, maybe the one from Dr. Strange where everyone is paint.

B Right There 7:37 AM  

Just got around to the puzzle today (Friday). Yesterday was spent with alot of after-storm clean up (Mid-Atlantic). But after 36 hours without power or running water we still came out of it better than many. So, I was looking forward to a juicy Thursday...and got this puzzle instead. Grokked the theme right away at SOAVE, but then got a big let down with the other themers. Names gave me fits today, too. As for political commentary on some of them, my take is that the "objectionable" names are fair game to be included in a xword. Just like I don't care for vanilla ice cream or cod liver oil, but I recognize their existence. They're just not for me. I don't think putting them in a xword gives them approval. But as for the comments afterwards, well, I love a good, spirited, and informed debate, so if that is part of the commentaria, that's fine. I do, however, worry when fanatics try to state that taking human rights away and hating others is just a political bent as acceptable as a protest against taxes. That's scary stuff to try and normalize one's hate. But history has shown us that that is just one of the early chapters in the playbook of tyranny. Sigh.

thefogman 10:49 AM  

I don’t know why the editor gave this one the green light. First, a crossword is about words and letters. No numbers please. Ever. I hate when this happens. Second, the theme works fine for the first three entries. But PODPROGRAM does not work because if you switch the O to H you end up with PHDPRHGRAM which is not PHDPROGRAM unless you leave the second O alone. Also, the crossing of 41D and 41A (MEADE MNEME) is a Natick as is 48D and 66A (TRANK KHAN). Unless I am missing something this one misses the mark by a lot especially for a seasoned constructor.

Burma Shave 11:23 AM  

DEAF AFTER IT

ICAN'TEVEN say that I KNEW,
IN my POR EARDRUMS' sadness,
that DEMO PROGRAM was A SLEW
of NONRANDOM MARCOMADNESS.

--- DON NOONAN

rondo 11:33 AM  

This puz was a low point, even for the usual Thursday nonsense. ICANTEVEN go on about it. It has pretty much been said above.
Wordle however an unusual birdie
BBBBB
BBBYY
GGGGG

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Anonymous 5:38 PM  

It took me way too long to remember that Kirin is a Japanese beer, and not the name of a liqueur. I know Kirin and Asahi from two places, crossword puzzles, and Chinese restaurants.

spacecraft 8:02 PM  

If you, as the gambler against the house, wanted to load dice you wouldn't want to load in FAVOR of 7, you'd load AGAINST 7. All you need is a seven not to appear for half an hour, and you'd need a bucket for all your chips.

This puzzle does not make the cut. Sure, it has a digit instead of a letter in one key place--hello Thursday!--but that's not enough to negate ALOT of very bad fill. Add to that the deliberate misdirect of 2 (two) "Pick me!"s, prompting 2 OOH's instead of 3 OHs. Then right away you run into REHEM, "to be indecisive again?", and we see the trash bin filling up fast. Double bogey.

Managed a Wordle par after a slow start.

Anonymous 3:44 AM  

Polo

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