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Monday, July 18, 2022

Constructor: Phoebe Gordon

Relative difficulty: Medium (possibly on the tougher side of Monday, solely because of the "?" theme clues) (if your time was slower than usual, that's probably because the grid is oversized (16x15))


THEME: [preposition] [plural noun] AND [other plural noun] — idiomatic phrases that follow precisely that grammatical pattern, clued both literally and wackily ("?"-style), as if they related to a field implied by the plural nouns:

Theme answers:
  • AT SIXES AND SEVENS (17A: In a state of confusion, as in math class?)
  • BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS (40A: Very rapidly, as in a ballet studio?)
  • ON PINS AND NEEDLES (63A: In suspense, as in a tailor shop?)
Word of the Day: "OZZIE and Harriet" (67A: Harriet's hubby on old TV) —
The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet is an American television sitcom that aired on ABC from October 3, 1952 to April 23, 1966, and starred the real-life Nelson family. After a long run on radio, the show was brought to television, where it continued its success, initially running simultaneously on radio and TV. In terms of seasons, it was the longest running live-action sitcom in US television history until It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia surpassed it on December 1, 2021 (though it still retains the record in terms of total episodes produced: 435). The series starred the entertainment duo of Ozzie Nelson and his wife, singer Harriet Nelson, and their sons, David and RickyDon DeFore had a recurring role as the Nelsons' neighbor "Thorny". (wikipedia)
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Full disclosure: this is the debut puzzle from the daughter of someone I know and like—longtime constructor and editor Peter Gordon. I would not have discovered this before solving, but I accidentally looked at Twitter, and Peter was, understandably, bragging about it, which is adorable. Anyway, even if I'd hated this thing, I wouldn't have said so, or wouldn't have put it in such harsh terms. Luckily, I didn't hate it at all. It's a perfectly delightful little Monday ... although "little" is literally incorrect, in that the grid is actually an oversized 16x15! I mean "little" only in the sense that the theme is not particularly dense or complicated—fairly normal for a Monday puzzle. But it does have this sort of ... extra quality, where it's got both literal *and* wacky clues to it, and it's the wackiness that both adds to and complicates things a bit. "?" clues will tend to throw you into figurative thinking (or overthinking) mode, and that happened to me today, a little bit, even though the literal, normal clue is Right There (in the first, precomma portion of the clue). The postcomma part involves both reading more and (inevitably) thinking more, and so thematically this felt somewhat tougher than a typical Monday. More Tuesdayish. But because the literal clue is right there, we aren't talking about too much added difficulty. The postcomma part of the clue appears to exist largely to give a stronger impression of thematic consistency than the puzzle would have without it. "Please imagine this wacky non-literal context implied by the words in the answer" is a nice way to add to the otherwise merely grammatical / syntactical parallels among the theme answers. It's a great find, this set of three themers—all following precisely the same phrasing pattern, all 16 letters long. The rest of the grid is right over the plate. Nothing showy, nothing horrific. Lots of crosswordese, but the type that you can abide just fine, not the type to make you wince and roll your eyes and wonder what the hell. Plus you get (step one: take drink from) CUP HOLDER and (step two, pick up drink, *sip*, hear something funny, and  ...) SPITTAKES in the bargain. Oh, and "LADY BIRD" and STARGAZE to boot. A lovely quartet of long Downs. It's a neat and polished Monday. Kind of textbook (in the best sense of the word). A promising debut.


Hmm, what else? Well, I would like to quash the crooked letter fetish, for sure (two sets of double-Zs!), but since nothing at all is sacrificed in the pursuit of said letters, I cannot be justifiably mad. Get all your Js and Zs and Qs on, by all means, as long as doing so does not lead to my also seeing adjacent Garbage. Hard to call anything in the vicinity of RAZZ or OZZIE "Garbage." The only answer I really hate in this puzzle is NHLER (49A: Jet or Shark, in sports lingo). See also NLER, ALER, NBAER and ... is MLBER a thing? Oof, I hope not. MLSER? WNBAER? I mean, where does it end? It's possible that NHLER is the most common of all these forced initial-based -ER terms. I dunno. I just know they all look and feel kinda awful. But again, it's one word, whatever, no biggie. I had no trouble with anything in the grid, though I weirdly blanked at S---- for 48D: Part of an act (SCENE). I say "weirdly" because I teach plays with acts and SCENEs on a regular basis. I think my brain just wanted something like SKIT (too short) or SKETCH (too long). Oh, and I not surprisingly took longer on the "?" clue for LIDS than on any of the other clues (69A: Jar heads?). I think I like the wordplay-ness better if you make "Jarhead" one word, as you would when referring to a Marine. I mean, if that's the term you're punning on (and it is) why not just put them together. The "?" tells me that you are ****ing around, so it's fine. OK, that's enough for today. Hope this was a nice cool-down from yesterday's tire fire / barn burner (depending on your perspective). See you Tuesday. And congrats, Phoebe.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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94 comments:

egsforbreakfast 12:08 AM  

GRAN AINT LADYBIRD ASS, as I see in the top middle downs.

What do you get if you cross a BOER with a SPORE? I don’t know, but our constructor did it.

Speaking of CLIO, does anybody know what has happened to Loren MUSE Smith? I miss her, as I’m sure most of you do.

I’ll say TATA now, though many are surely thinking GOON now, git out!

A really great theme idea, with three grid scanners following the same preposition/noun/noun pattern and with the phrases being applicable to specific pursuits. Congrats on a nice debut Phoebe Gordon. Looking forward to more of your puzzles.

jae 12:13 AM  

Easy-medium. Smooth and just about right for a Monday. My only problem was trying to spell DRYLY with an i. Liked it, a delightful debut!


@bocamp - Croce’s Freestyle #728 was pretty easy for a Croce. Toughest part for me NE. That said, I missed it by one square across the top due to my lack of experience with texting abbreviations. Good luck!

Anonymous 1:17 AM  

lol VERY nice puzzle to help me recover from yesterday! very nice.

Anonymous 1:17 AM  

Definitely tough for a Monday. Had to triple check I was doing the right puzzle! Smooth solve nonetheless, though my nitpicks include BOER (unknown to me) and TATA (the clue seems off?). Enjoyed it.
- Brando

chefwen 2:47 AM  

Super easy and very cute Monday puzzle. Once you got a few downs in the longer theme answers, they were a given. The clueing also helped with the answers, math class,ballet, tailor. The only problems I had were on me, filling in the right answers in the wrong spots. I’m afraid the time has come to get me some cheater glasses. Old age ain’t for the faint of heart.

Congrats of your debut puzzle, Phoebe.

Adam S 4:53 AM  

OK. I'll bite on the contrast between Rex's reaction to today's and yesterday's debuts.

Today Rex is all smiles over what I would call a perfectly passable Monday theme (let me be clear - given this is the premier crossword in the world 'perfectly passable' is an amazing accomplishment. Congratulations Phoebe and I look forward to seeing many more from you). It feels like his normal standards aren't here. No mention as he has frequently said in the past that a theme with 3 grid-spanners is the easiest to fill by far. Everything else should be perfect, especially on a Monday. And contrary to Rex's pass on the Zs there is a big cost to them. Namely ONZE, which a classic know-it or don't. It might be a gimme for Rex (and me for the matter). But if you don't know it you can't cross it on a Monday with a name, let alone one from an old sitcom (no idea why they picked that Ozzie - editing fail on Will IMO as Ozzie Smith seems significantly less obscure and you can add something like "with a nickname that includes Wizard" for an extra hint for non MLBER fans). There are other nits I could pick if I were Rex in a normal mood, but am not inclined to list them out.

Contrast with yesterday, which is the most original NYT crossword in ages and people will still be talking about in 20 years time. Rex totally disingenuously said he couldn't assess the architectural qualities of. Nonsense - love it or hate it the grid was clearly an architectural masterpiece. Rex knew that and couldn't bring himself to say it.

Further, Rex could perfectly well tell (or at a minimum would have been able to if he stopped to think for a second before posting) that he didn't need to engage with the poker at all. All he needed to do was work out it was a card rebus with the across being the rank of the card and the down being the suit. No poker knowledge needed and the solver could choose whether or not to engage with the poker aspect.

This may seem unfair to today's crossword, but it's galling to see a rave for something like this and yet no acknowledgment that yesterday was incredibly original and brilliantly constructed. Rex has frequently berated Will for not innovating enough. The least he could have done was acknowledge the innovation of yesterday while (perfectly reasonably) saying that it wasn't for him.

Anonymous 5:38 AM  

Odd, to have this classed as medium difficulty, for me it was near record time. My only stumbles were wanting RIGID instead of HARSH (quickly remedied by crosses, specifically ALTO) and RAZZ did not immediately leap to mind. Everything else just flowed out, did not need any other crosses that I can recall. Still, fine for a Monday, and I enjoyed the long crosses.

In response to commenter who loved the card puzzle, I found it a complete slog, and further was irritated by having to go back through the whole thing and remove the suits to allow the software to consider it correct. (I like to keep a streak going.) So if I think about the puzzle again in the next twenty years, it'll be probably just to say "ick."

B Right There 6:08 AM  

@jae, I, too, had DRiLY with an I at first giving me the start to 40 A as BiLEA...! Huh, I thought. I'm supposed to know some esoteric, probably French, dance term? Brain was already on miLieu or eclair/ eau claire, or something. Then I realized that the phrases all started with a preposition, and that fixed that. Great Monday puzzle, Phoebe. Brava! Loved the scrabbliness right at the top and continuing down to the bottom. I was already licking my lips at the X and V of SIXESANDSEVENS, following so soon after the double ZZs of RAZZ and the P and K of SPITTAKE, and starting to anticipate perhaps a bonus pangram puzzle! Then, just for the fun of it, spent a few more enjoyable moments post-solve, seeing if I could rework anything to get the missing J, Q, and W, but, alas, I'm not that good. I could have found a J and a W substitution, but they would not have played as a Monday puzzle. So, again, good job for a delightful start to my day. Favorite Mental Imagery of the puzzle: Little LULU's chocolate getting all GOOEY in the heat of CAIRO.

JD 6:16 AM  

In my continuing habit of making things more difficult than they are, I struggled a bit in the NW corner by starting out with a Mess being an Untidy Pile. And then struggled another few seconds thinking that With Deadpan Delivery wanted Droll, which worked with Brakes and Edgar (Tata, Baas & Edgar LLP, representing bra manufacturers, sheep farmers and disgruntled poets).

Yet these were hiccups and my Tuesday brain filled in the rest. Nice tidy pile of words for a fun Monday. A warm welcoming back after Sunday’s challenge.

OffTheGrid 6:22 AM  

Excellent Monday puzz. I was a bit slow putting it together because I never heard the idiom "AT SIXES AND SEVENS" before.

Anonymous 6:40 AM  

On a typical day I quickly read Rex’s overly HARSH critique so I can get to the more enjoyable work of our commentators, several of whom feel like old friends. (LMS, where are you?) Thanks to Adam S, today is opposite day. This puzzle was an unusually fine Monday, fully up to NYTX standards in the best eras, while yesterday’s was so deeply flawed that no amount of architecture could save it. Hats off to Anonymous 5:38; I lost patience yesterday and broke a long streak. Today was a delightful start to a new one.

Anonymous 7:07 AM  

Where’s @Rex’s rant about BOER? I can’t think of a worthier term to be excised from crossword wordlist — if, like @Rex and not me, you believe words/people/groups with “offensive” (in the eye of the beholder) connections shouldn’t appear — than this group that perpetrated the horrors of Apartheid for so many years. I liked the puzzle and wasn’t put off by the inclusion of BOER. I agree with @Adam S above that @Rex’s normal standards aren’t being applied to this puzzle and the inconsistency irritates me.

— Jim C. in Maine

Barry 7:08 AM  

Could someone please explain what AT SIXES AND SEVENS MEANS? What do those two numbers mean in terms of a state of confusion. Right now I am at fours and fives trying to understand it.

SouthsideJohnny 7:18 AM  

BOER caught me off guard a little bit, as did the theme, which seems slightly more involved than a typical Monday. Not bad to get a puzzle that could have run on a Tuesday a day early now and then - especially since there was nothing really gunking up the works to make it less newbie-friendly.

Whatsername 7:26 AM  

An exceptionally pleasant Monday, completely solid from start to finish. Can’t say I’ve ever heard the expression AT SIXES AND SEVENS but maybe it’s a ZONE or AREA thing. Themers were all nice though and above average fill. Then the bonus long downs added some extra appeal too. Congratulations Phoebe Gordon on a lovely debut! Looking forward to more.

jcal 7:34 AM  

A simple short note - it was great fun, and congratulations on a stellar premiere!

Son Volt 7:40 AM  

Cute theme - well filled. I didn’t experience any of Rex’s pushback - maybe just the larger grid. SPIT TAKES reminds me of Make Room for Daddy and that ties into OZZIE. We’ve had them all recently - today’s muse is CLIO.

In honor of the mid-summer classic We’re talking Homer, OZZIE and the Straw

Enjoyable Monday solve.

Anonymous 7:52 AM  

Why not switch DRYLY to DRYER which fixes the ugly and poorly clued ELLS and the DYS?? Seems like an easy fix unless you didn’t want DRS and DR DRE in the same puzzle.

KateA 8:12 AM  

I enjoyed the puzzle, but I’m still at sixes and sevens about yesterday. The software didn’t register a solve, but it maintained my streak today. Odd.

pabloinnh 8:15 AM  

You say DRILY, I say DRYLY, and we both wait for crosses. Easy enough in this one.

Don't have OFL's objections to NHLER, as it's common enough in crossworld, where I spend a lot of time. Rex seems to think that should not be true, but it is. If you can't argue the fact, argue the concept.

A request to @jae and/or @bocamp--where can I access Croce's Freestyles? Retirement gives me lots of free time. Thanks in advance.

Congratulations on the debut, PG, which I found way better than Pretty Good. A delightful Mondecito indeed, and thanks for all the fun. More please.

Adam S 8:17 AM  

You’re welcome, Anonymous.

In all seriousness, it seems that this theme spoke to almost everyone else that has commented so far more than it spoke to me. Which I’m happy about.

And I freely admit I’m probably not at my most charitable given that I’m quarantining with COVID away from home without my luggage (which United lost 2 weeks ago and hasn’t yet found). So I’m not at my best and am sorry if that came through in my tone.

I will say that I was one of the approx 20% of people (based on a skim of comments) that found yesterday’s puzzle brilliant rather than horrible and the refusal of yesterday’s write-up to even contemplate whether it had merit got my goat. I can totally see why others including Rex may have hated it, but given the frequency of complaints here about the NYTXW being stuck in the crossword dark ages it feels rich not even to engage with the merits of something genuinely innovative.

Interesting thought experiment. Let’s say Will received a crossword that he somehow knew 25% of solvers would think is the best crossword ever and everyone else would loathe and despise. Should he publish it?

(I’d lean yes, but suspect I’d probably me in the minority)

Nancy 8:23 AM  

What an original idea for a theme -- and even though it's a Monday, I wish I'd thought of it myself. Lovely dual clues that reveal both the figurative and the literal meanings of the same phrase. When you do this puzzle, it reminds you of how playful and colorful the English language is.

And each theme phrase is a grid spanner!! Did you levitate out of bed shouting "Eureka!", Phoebe, when you realized what you had?

Here's a puzzle I'd give to a novice solver of whom I was especially fond. Easy enough so that it won't be frustrating, but respectful of one's intelligence. A puzzle that shows how witty, imaginative and unique puzzles can be and will hopefully leave any new solver salivating for the next one.

pmdm 8:32 AM  

The Monday puzzle is supposed to be quite easy for new solvers. Sometimes that can result in a puzzle that seems too easy for me. Today, I found the puzzle, a little more difficult than the normal Monday puzzle, as one that hits my sweet spot. Yes, I liked today's puzzle a lot.

I guess what the write-up verifies today is that non-crossword bias can creep into the overall assessment of the puzzle. Which means, I guess, some of the content has to be taken with a bit of salt. Maybe a pound or so.

Lewis 8:40 AM  

Oh, great find for a theme, colorful phrases that follow a particular pattern, a pattern never done in a puzzle theme before. And all of the same length (16)! Add to that four lovely down answers – SPIT TAKES, STARGAZE, LADY BIRD, and CUP HOLDER – and that makes for a wonderful group of phrases to uncover to sweeten the solve.

The references to eggheads and jarheads spurred a bit of research on my part. There are several explanations for where “jarheads” (for marines) came from, with the most endearing, IMO, being that “jarhead” was once a slang term for a mule, and that marines are stubbornly unwavering in their sense of duty. Regarding “egghead”, the most interesting fact I found was that the term reached its height of usage when VP candidate Nixon used the term to describe the bald Adlai Stevenson in the 1952 election.

But back to the puzzle, I liked the cross of LEIS and GRASS (evoking grass skirts), and in case you’re trying to think up other phrases that fit this pattern, Jim Horne at XwordInfo has done it for you, using a computer program to find IS PART AND PARCEL, IN FITS AND STARTS, OF MICE AND MEN, and IN BLACK AND WHITE.

But Phoebe, you made this a theme before anyone else in all the years of crosswords, and framed it in an excellently executed puzzle – what an impressive debut! Congratulations, and thank you for a sterling start to the week!

Lewis 8:49 AM  

My five favorite clues from last week
(in order of appearance):

1. Fire fighter, familiarly (3)
2. One might be measured in pounds (6)(3)
3. Stick in one's mouth? (9)
4. Emergency device in DC (8)
5. Putting greens in these courses might be expected (6)


H2O
RESCUE DOG
TOOTHPICK
BATPHONE
SALADS

Lewis 8:57 AM  

BTW, I will be away for a little looked-forward-to trip, and will return in about a week. My Favorite Clues From Last Week will therefore appear on Tuesday or Wednesday next week instead of Monday. Have a lovely week ahead, all!

Anonymous 9:08 AM  

@Barry and @whatsername.

There's this thing called GOOGLE where you can look up stuff. Really! It exists!

Gary Jugert 9:13 AM  

A delightful puzzle with no need to compose a novel in rebus, but no pop-up razzle dazzle as a result, and we're unlikely to hear 200 comments with howls of execration and elation as we did yesterday. The roar of yesterday's whiskey gives way to today's tepid sip of Earl Grey.

Never heard the phrase, "at sixes and sevens." Gonna try to use it soon.

Was hoping Rex would rant about hating phrases with AND in them to rile the Anonym-oti as he did yesterday hating on poker. The knee-slapping comedy of people announcing they're "so done" was delicious. Oh, and the absolute belief among so many that WS personally edits these puzzles. 🙃

Uniclues:

1 "The charcuterie was a bit one-note."
2 Strip clubs in Boston.
3 Delevingne who knows when to stop.
4 "... now it's ash. Tee hee."
5 Instructions to Harry: "Put the kibosh on Dudley."
6 Spy Scorpius.
7 The White House, once.

1 HARSH GALA RAZZ
2 TATA BAAS
3 BRAKES GURU CARA
4 LID'S BEEN GRASS
5 HEX AREA GOON
6 ASIAN STARGAZE
7 LADY BIRD SCENE

Anonymous 9:21 AM  

Read Rex's first sentence. It proves he caters his review's to friends. He'd have torn this puzzle apart had he not been her dad's friend.

bocamp 9:34 AM  

Thx, Phoebe, for this ZESTy offering! :)

Med.

Got the two grid-spanners quickly, but AT SIXES AND SEVENS is new to me, so took crosses to reveal.

Enjoyed this tasty solve.

Thx @jae; on it! :)

@pabloinnh (8:15 AM)

Have fun!
___
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

albatross shell 9:34 AM  

At 6's and 7's goes back to a 14th century dice game in which you have risked all your money on being able to roll a 6 or a 7. It originally meant unnecessarily taking a foolish risk and evolved to mean being in a state of confusion. Name and rules of the game, and number of dice or type of dice not mentioned in whatever dictionary site Iwas on last night. Fairly common although antiquated expression. If you have read enough old novels you have probably come across it.

RooMonster 9:36 AM  

Hey All !
I would've sworn the phrase was "ALL SIXES AND SEVENS", not AT. It basically means "stupid", or "not quite all there" in BritSpeak.

Speaking of "not quite all there", I actually noticed the 16 wide grid right off, giving me hope for the ole brain.

@B Right There 6:08
You missed a letter. No F's! They can't even get respect being uncounted! 😁

Nice debut. Different kind of theme. As in, they don't all mean one thing, or go together as a group. They do follow the same pattern, but are independent statements. Any clue what I'm trying to say? If so, let me know. 😁

Only 8 threes, when you expand the grid to 16 wide, it helps to eliminate corners of threes. Much to @M&A's chagrin, I'm sure. Did get a kick out of EGG clue. That's perfectly fine to laugh at, let's not be offended by it. Just sayin'.

Seemed slightly tougher than a normal MonPuz, but didn't solve it IN FITS AND STARTS. Flowed smoothly.

yd -15 (HARSH) I'm sure I should've gotten a bunch more

No F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

JD 9:53 AM  

@Anon 9:08, @Whatsername said she hadn't heard it before. For all you know she looked it up.

My question today is (since @Lewis brought it up and the clue still annoys me) what exactly does "familiarly" mean in a clue. I've always taken it to be pointing to a colloquialism or slang. How is a chemical symbol "familiarly." Or am I just wrong?

Leslie 10:03 AM  


Beginning of "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina":
"It won't be easy, you'll think it strange
When I try to explain how I feel
That I still need your love after all that I've done
You won't believe me, all you will see is a girl you once knew
Although she's dressed up to the nines
At sixes and sevens with you"

Nice, fun puzzle.

albatross shell 10:13 AM  

https://wordhistories.net/2016/09/05/sixes-and-sevens/

More than you may ever want to know. Originally 5 and six in French if I skimmed correctly.

Anonymous 10:17 AM  

@9:08
There's this thing called GOOGLE where you can look up stuff. Really! It exists!

really now. use the Wiki. and send them a buck or two every now and again.

GILL I. 10:30 AM  

It was a dark and stormy night but the GALA must go on. LULU was dressed by SIX... OTIS, her POET husband, was ON PINS AND NEEDLES...he knew they must leave by SEVENS.
EDGAR, their chauffeur, was in his usual spot AGAIN doing his STAR GAZE SCENE. OTIS yelled at him..."We must leave now.!" He almost SPIT at him! LULU, dressed like an ASIAN GURU came down the stairs BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS and off they went.
They picked up GRAN on their way. GRAN wasn't happy. The limo had no CUP HOLDER. How would she hold her MINTY GOOEY swill? She let out a little SOB. Not to be outdone, she let it rest on her TATA. LULU DRYLY said: You certainly AIN'T no LADY...!!! . EDGAR hit the BRAKES. He was very fond of GRAN and he wouldn't allow no ASS to DYS this sweet BIRD of paradise.
They finally got to the GALA. Turns out it was one of those RAVES thingies. They were all drinking a RAZZmataZZ and dancing on tables. Thank goodness EDGAR was still parked outside. They decided they needed a quiet place where the ALES were on the house and GRAN could dance like a BIRD. They had a HEAP of fun and everybody started singing "I've Got All This Ringing in my Ears and None on My Fingers.
The evening was a success after all. And that's no LYE!

Joseph Michael 10:30 AM  

Many crosswords have to be solved by trial and error or on a wing and a prayer, but this was a refreshing Monday morning breeze. Simple and elegant. Congratulations, Phoebe, on your debut.

GILL I. 10:32 AM  

I saved the best for last. I really enjoyed this puzzle, Phoebe. It made me smile and realize how I really did get interested in Mondays puzzles.

Tom K. 10:34 AM  

Nicely said.

Beezer 10:49 AM  

I thought this was a delightful Monday puzzle with very little junk.

I’m always surprised when I (emphasis I) am familiar with an idiom that others are not familiar with because, well, there are quite a few I don’t know. Who the heck knows why I have heard the term “at sixes and sevens” but I don’t think it’s regional.

It appears that DRYLY is the preferred spelling in the US with variant of DRiLY in Canada and Australia? Anyway, Drily doesn’t look right to me. Also, seems like someone commented that DYS was “wonky” but disfunctional doesn’t seem right and, in fact my spellcheck has it underlined.

My malapop for today was AREA before ZONE, with AREA popping up later.

oldactor 11:14 AM  

I had no idea what Sixes and Sevens
meant, but I've heard that saying all my life. Thanks Albatross.

Nancy 11:20 AM  

@Anon 9:08 -- I have no idea whatsoever what you're looking for from the people commenting here. But I can tell you what I'm looking for.

I want them to take me on a journey that lets me know exactly how they responded to the puzzle when they first laid eyes on it and how they felt about it as they progressed...or didn't. If it caused any hairs on the back of their necks to stand up, I want to know precisely which hairs and why. If at some point they shouted "Aha!" out loud, I want to know which clue elicited that response.

In short, I want them to Put Me In The Moment and to make their solving experience palpable and vivid.

Here's what I don't want. I don't want them feeling bullied into Googling all the stuff they don't know and then not writing about it because now tha they do know it, there's nothing left to say.

Your 9:08 comment was gratuitously snide and snarky. And it defeats the whole purpose of a crossword blog. Which is to share your before-the-fact experience not your after-the-fact experience.

Whatsername 11:22 AM  

@Adam (8:17) SO sorry to hear of your troubles! Sounds like the universe decided to really gang up on you. I recently had Covid and know it sucks but I can’t imagine how miserable it must be if you’re not even in the comfort of your own home. I sure hope things get better for you soon.

@Lewis (8:57) Enjoy that trip and travel safe. We will miss you.

@JD (9:53) Thanks for pointing out the obvious and for the record, yes I did look it up. 😉 I see I’m in good company with Gary J. at 9:13. Also for what it’s worth, I too find “familiarly” a little irksome.

@GILL (10:30) GRAN and her TATA. 🤣 You’re in fine form today.


Peter P 11:28 AM  

@JD - You read "familiarly" correctly -- or at least how I always have. "H2O" can be a cutesy, familiar way of saying "water," even if it is a chemical formula. I certainly have heard people cheekily asking for a "glass of H2O", but, I do admit, it is slightly pushing it.

@Anonymous 9:08 - I don't mind if people ask in the comments about something they don't know -- they're probably not the only people with the question, and it's a quick way to learn for those, like me, who don't care quite enough to google, but are curious. I have heard of being AT SIXES AND SEVENs, but have no idea where I've heard it before nor why it means what it means. But I'm not quite interested enough to look up the etymology, so not bad to have it here. What I do get irritated at is when people confidently (sometimes with an appeal to their authority) to declare a clue or answer "wrong" without doing the due diligence of Googling first -- which happens more times than I can count here, and almost every time they are wrong -- and spread misinformation. I'm hoping we are trying to get away from that as a society, so it irritates me to no end to see it here. Though, I suppose, if I'm following my philosophy above, I guess I should be happy it leads to discussion clearing up the matter, but it's obvious people don't read all the comments or skip comments and miss the correction. Once a falsehood is out there, it's hard to reel it back.

No real comments about the xword other that it was fun. Slower than my recent Mondays, but I guess it's oversized, so that explains it. A solid debut with nothing objectionable. Good work, Phoebe!

Anonymous 11:43 AM  

Albatross,
Nah. To be at 6's and 7's comes from the Lord Mayor's parade in London. Guilds line up by seniority--the Tailors and Skinners were formed within days of each other--each claiming to be older. The resulting confusion and animosity is where the phrase comes from. And its sensible. Your explanation of what is essentially craps, is, well nonsensical.

And everyone, EVERYONE got the Barnes situation wrong a few days ago.
Barnes will was very clear; he didn't want the collection molested in anyway. He loathed the art world. That some scoundrels wrested control of the foundation and were able to persuade a dim-witted court is a shame.
There's decent doc on this called The Art of the Steal. Worth a watch.

Anonymous 11:50 AM  

Anon 9:08 was certainly snide Nancy. But that's a far cry from bullying.
And frankly Overstating the case is almost as bad as the initial offense. It certainly makes me question your judgment. Of course this is a small matter. But if you get this wrong, it may well be you get more critical things wrong as well. And of course, anon's comments do not defeat the the purpose of the blog. I

Gary Jugert 11:51 AM  

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Carola 11:57 AM  

I'll echo @chefwen 2:47 and @Nancy 8:23 - very easy, so cute, delightfully original. I especially loved AT SIXES AND SEVENS, with its combination of a great phrase and witty clue. Terrific Monday.

Masked and Anonymous 12:08 PM  

Perfectly good MonPuz, of this and that. Had a little smidge of a challenge, due to the the ATSIXESANDSEVENS themer of mystery, at our house. But no major nanoseconds harm was done, as the fillins were mighty smoooth. And only one ?-marker clue, other than for the themer ones.

staff weeject pick: DYS. Only 8 weeject choices -- which is kinda scant, for a 16x15 MonPuz. Better clue: {Handy Andy endings??} = DYS.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Sounds before "Black sheep, have you any wool?"} = BAAS.

fave stuff that didn't have a preposition & a conjunction: GURU. LULU. CUPHOLDER. STARGAZE. MINTY/GOOEY symmetric(al) pair. And @RP's unusually GOOEY review [har].

Thanx, not just in dribs and drabs, for the fun, Ms. Gordon darlin. And congratz on yer delightful debut.

Masked & Anonymo5Us


**gruntz**

Thornton Wilder 12:13 PM  

The dogs are sticking to the sidewalks. . . . The whole world's at sixes and sevens.

old timer 12:18 PM  

I thought the puzzle was awfully slow for a Monday, and expected a lot of criticism from OFL. I did admire him for telling us up front that he was biased because the constructor is a good friend's daughter. For me, the theme was kinda meh.

I knew AT SIXES AND SEVENS, though. Very British. To me it means a group of people who know they should know the answer, but it just won't come to them. News to me that the French refer to fives and sixes. What the French to refer to is "cinq a sept", traditional hours during which an adulterous couple have an affair.

I certainly loved the reference to OZZIE Nelson. OZZIE was my childhood nickname and the show was one of my favorites. The man who played Thorny was an almost next-door neighbor, though I don't think I ever spoke with him. But I liked him on TV. My most lasting memory from the show: When OZZIE was shy about undressing in front of Harriet, and she said, "But we're married, dear!" I, being a sheltered child of the Fifties, had no idea married people ever saw each other naked, though I knew they shared a bedroom, and in many households, a bed.

As for ONZE, it seems to me almost an essential to modern life to be able to count from 1 to 15 in French, Spanish, and German. Maybe Italian, too.

Anonymous 12:41 PM  

A nice Monday that took about 2 minutes longer to solve (a lot for a Monday!). A good refresher after yesterday’s frustration.

To be honest, yesterday would have been a lot more fun, I think, if I wasn’t so confused by trying to make sense of the hands or where the players were (I’ve never played Texas Hold’em poker), and just focused on the card/suit theme. Oh, and also not been throwing rocks at the wall trying to key the rebus squares properly before losing my streak. All that really ruined the fun.

That being said, you can clear a puzzle and play it again without upsetting your streak, right? I think I might do that for yesterday. Maybe sit back and enjoy the construct a little more.

Nice Monday+ puzzle, Ms. Phoebe.

BobL 12:47 PM  

@pabloinnh and all

A link to many daily xwords can be found at crosswordlinks@substack.com. Quite a handy site. Bob

Anonymous 1:20 PM  

FH
A Jarhead is a Marine. Capital 'M'

burtonkd 1:55 PM  

@JD et al: H20 is the "familiar" term for Dihydrogen monoxide, which you almost never hear. Carbon dioxide and CO2, OTOH, both seem to be familiar.

Nice Monday, congrats to Phoebe on the debut; apples, trees and all that!

I agree with Nancy AND Anon 9:08! Was asking what at6s&7s is a gambit to start a conversation? Or was it some strange kind of laziness where you don't feel like scrolling all the way up to the top of the screen to type exactly the same thing into a search window and be guaranteed an instant answer? I don't mind someone asking, but will skip over it and not do the work of answering unless I have something unique to say about it.

Different people seem to have different takes on the point of a xword blog - yesterday, I could have done with way fewer people coming out of the woodwork to be the 127th person to complain about the rebus situation. Twitter seems to be a better venue for that. I come in hopes of some kind of additional information, interaction, humor.

Joe Dipinto 1:56 PM  

I had a high school teacher named Mr. Sikso. He was my homeroom teacher in freshman and junior year, and he taught —yes— algebra and trigonometry.

That's an awful version of "Needles and Pins", btw. And the meaning in the song lyrics doesn't correspond to the idiom in the puzzle.

Here's a better selection for today.

Whatsername 1:58 PM  

@Nancy (11:20) Very well put! You and @Lewis and a number of others always do a good job of putting the reader “in the moment” - to the extent I often find myself nodding my head and experiencing it all over again with you. I’m daily grateful for this blog and for all who share their insights.

@Anon (11:50) Snide a far cry from bullying? I’d have to disagree with that as a blanket statement because it would depend on the person to whom it was directed. While I dismiss it as hubris, someone else may feel completely intimidated. I can think of two recent commenters who are no longer with us because they were put off by unpleasant remarks directed at them. Since as a general rule we don’t know one another all that well here, discretion should be in order.

@Gary J (11:51) 👏👏👏

old timer 1:59 PM  

I'm back to say that while I rarely go to the Wordplay website from the NYT, I did today, and the comments are absolutely fascinating. Highly recommended. I also found s similar phrase is in Pinafore, and the comments to one G&S discussion on the phrase intriguingly say that in London, there were two guilds who both claimed sixth place in the parade (Lord Mayor's Parade, I assume) and as a compromise each guild marched sixth one year, and seventh the next. Which is something Gilbert very much would have known.

Unknown 2:15 PM  

A lovely debut for a Monday. But I daresay rex would have been far more critical had he not had a connection with the constructor.

Which is why blind reviews would always be best.

Gary Jugert 2:34 PM  

Hooray. Although leaving the rave was a mistake.

Thornton Wilder 2:45 PM  

@old actor 11:14: I was hoping you, at least, would be familiar with "The Skin of Our Teeth."

Peter P 2:57 PM  

@Whatsername, yeah, at another message board I patronize, any answers of the type "Let me Google that for you" are considered off-limits and immediately modded, as they don't answer the question and their only purpose is that of snark. (Plus, they were amusing for about a minute in 2008 or 2009 before becoming tiresome and annoying.) Instead of replying "why don't you google that" why not a neutral-toned response like "A quick internet search shows that "AT SIXES AND SEVENS" means X and derives from Y, like other posters have?

albatross shell 3:05 PM  

@anon1143
Perhaps. Some sites disagree. One site mentions the quote from Chaucer about 6's and 7's and debunks your claim because of it, despite the fact that the parade and the controversy preceded it. Then I found this site:
https://www.merchant-taylors.co.uk/news/billesden-award

Where the claim is made that the parade and controversy did precede the Chaucer quote but that it wasn't clear the controversy was about positions 6 and 7 until 1516 long after the issue was settled by a 1484 compromise which ordered the guilds to alternate positions each year and to honor each other with a dinner each year. Peace is so difficult to achieve.

One site did point out the dice story was only a supposition from the OED first edition.






Anonymous 3:15 PM  

shell,
Um, no. Nothing was debunked. Your link of course only affirms my assertion.

Nancy 3:26 PM  

My first thought was that Anon 9:08 and Anon 11:50 are the same person. But then I re-read Anon 9:08 and realized that they're not. 9:08's tone is snide and superior, but 11:50's tone reeks of pure hostility and unpleasantness. With perhaps a soupcon of misogyny thrown in for good measure.

You're looking almost saintly by comparison, 9:08 :)

And, yes, snidely insisting that someone Google something in the puzzle rather than write and say they don't know it IS bullying. It's trying to get someone to write their comment the way you think it should be written rather than the way they want to write it. The fact that the bullying may not actually work and that most people here, happily, are not so easily intimidated doesn't mean that the attempt wasn't being made.

As far as Anon 11:50 "questioning my judgment" all I can say is this: If Anon 11:50 doesn't like me, I know I must be doing something right.

Anonymous 3:52 PM  

Peter P,
I didn't need any internet search. I learned the etymology of 6's and 7's from two Englishman in college. ( I learned the phrase and its meaning from my mother; it was a favorite of hers)

Lyn 4:02 PM  

Thank you. I can remember my almost 96 yr old mother saying it. I agree that I know a fair amount of antiquated phases, but Ozzie & Harriet? Please.

Anonymous 4:29 PM  

Leave it to Rex to NOT give yesterday's puzzle it's fair due.
Thus, once again, securing his legacy as a first rate douche-bag puzzle reviewer.

sixtyni yogini 4:40 PM  

Perfectly good Monday 🧩.
Enjoyed it. It went fast but I was not bored.
Yes!
🤗🦖🦖🦖🦖🤗

Anoa Bob 4:53 PM  

I've also heard the AT SIXES AND SEVENS phrase before, long enough ago to not remember exactly when or where, and I thought it meant something like being uncertain as to which of two equally attractive or unattractive options to take. I never knew why 6s and 7s would suggest that and after reading the two explanations in the comments today, I think the phrase is hopelessly antiquated and should be permanently retired.

Today's offering has what I like to see most in a themed puzzle, balance. With a moderate amount of grid space devoted to the theme, there is still room left for some interesting fill; STAR GAZE was my favorite. So often we get puzzles with theme bloat where sometimes five or even six themers dominate the grid so much that about all that is left is a bunch of perfunctory, fill in by rote 3s and 4s. No fun to be had with those. So kudos for the balance and more like that, please.

Yesterday's puzzle was about Texas Hold'em and today another poker game shows up in the grid at 10 Across. RAZZ is seven card stud poker where the lowest hand wins. Nice change of pace from all the other poker games where the highest value hand wins.

JD 5:07 PM  

@ burtonkd, Thanks. Educational without being rude.

Xwordfan 5:10 PM  

Hi all. I am entering my first pairs competition this weekend at boswords with my daughter. Looking for any advice on techniques and strategies, so its not a total face plant.

pabloinnh 5:28 PM  

@bocamp and @Unknown-thanks for the links.

@Thornton Wilder-Well, I knew The Skin of Our Teeth, and I'm sure others did too, probably including @Old Actor.

Say hi to Mr. Antrobus for me.

Unknown 5:36 PM  

Rex,

That's "Marine" with a capitol "M".

Keep up the good work, Sir. Semper Fi.

- Former "Jarhead"

Anonymous 5:39 PM  

True! That’s what I love about this blog too, we are at the whims of his whims!

Anonymous 5:56 PM  

Nancy,
I understand. When you post something— say an apocryphal story about Gatorade— I automatically view it w suspicion.
When you proffer an opinion, I know it’s as far from mine as humanly possible.
When the question at hand is a matter of judgment, we’ll, I know you’ll ball it up right and proper.

Anonymous 6:26 PM  

This was boring from the beginning to the end. There was no challenge, nothing interesting, everything obvious.

jberg 6:39 PM  

We wanted to go to the beach this weekend, but we had other commitments, so we decided to go today. For this particular beach you have to reserve parking in advance--so when we checked the weather last night and saw possible thunderstorms today, we almost didn't go -- but we woke up and saw that the bad weather would be most likely after 3 PM, so we jumped into the car and off we went, leaving today's puzzle unfinished. I came back to finish it around 5:30, so here I am. I loved the theme, both the witty clues and the strong parallels of form, with only 61-A not quite matching (on 4-letter word instead of 4). No three-letter pronouns, for example. And it's nice remembering OZZIE and Harriet (you young'uns could probably find the show on YouTube--Yes! href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtw-zMuJ-w&list=PLTKmp3L0wn-UIdKFPR6IS5UZoFgAX2Qbp">sYou can!

I have an Afrikaner electronic friend who was in the ANC -- they did not all support Apartheid.

RooMonster 6:54 PM  

Oh,
@Gill
I meant to compliment you how a very neat story before. Had me giggling!

RooMonster Not A Good Story Telling Giy

Anonymous 9:48 PM  

LOL mods,
You cunts nuked my post which was appropriate enough for Nancy stark to respond to.
You blow. Oh and you sucky at your job.
What not admit this blog is a club?

LateSolver 9:54 PM  

A bit stickier than a Monday - not a tough challenge to solve, but longer than the usual Monday, and because of the cluing/answers and not so much the extra few squares. Not complaining, I like to work for my solution so a bit more challenge for a Monday was refreshing rather than mindlessly typing crosswordese as fast as I can (although, as you would expect for a Mon, there was lots of that, too)

B Right There 10:33 PM  

You are absolutely Right. No Fs. I stumbled across that in the puzzle, then missed it in my comment.

albatross shell 10:51 PM  

I thought, while solving, there were a pile of plurals. The 6 plurals (7 extra letters) for the three theme answers probably added to this impression, but all are plurals that are necessary for the theme and not a part of any crossing plural at the S.

There are an overlapping pair of short double PoCs in the NE. A bit strained perhaps. ERAS NADIRS RAVES BAAS.

Then double PoCs: ELLS-SPITTAKES, BRIMS-LIDS.

Then the single PoCs: ARIAS ALES (abutting the overlapping quartet in the NE), GALLS crossing BRAKES at the A and ELLS at the second Ls, and USES and LEIS crossing the double S in GRASS.

Then there is the ED in EBBED, the ER in NHLER, the RE in RESET, the LY in DRYLY, the EY in GOOEY, the Y in MINTY.

Mostly a very good Monday puz. And well constructed except for some of the above. I was surprised that @Anoa did not find the above worth mentioning.

But my only disagreement with him is about the sixes and sevens. Colorful historic phrase steeped in mystery yet easily explained. Keep it. Why make the language less interesting.

Anonymous 2:07 AM  

Thank you Ms Gordon for an elegant debut effort. I hope it is the first of many. Just wanted to throw in some trivia concerning Needles and Pins. Since one of the clues references Cher, I am compelled to give co- composing credit to Sonny Bono for that song. For me, the only proper version is by the Searchers. Definitely worth a listen.

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kitshef 11:13 PM  

I seem to have hand an outlier reaction to this one. Thought it too ease (even more so now that I know it is oversized), and that the theme was very thin. However, the fill was overall very good. I just wish there had been more ZEST to go with it.

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spacecraft 11:11 AM  

After seeing @anon 9:48's post, and that of KURT DUMFRIES, I wondered if the blog censors took the day off--yet shortly thereafter there were a couple that were "removed by a blog administrator." Can't IMAGINE what those contained!

Anyway, to the puZZ. My first reaction was: inoffensive. Theme was "this AND that." Mini-theme: ZZ. I do agree that nothing convoluted resulted from the latter, so good job there. Worst thing was, as OFF said, NHLER. A pox on all those 'ERs! But nothing else came close. Got the 6's/7/s deal right away, but never knew the origin till today. The story of the Lord Mayor's Parade is absolutely charming, and I feel enriched. Thanks, researching bloggers!

As one of my favorite pastimes, STARGAZE, appears, I score this a birdie, just like

BBBBB
YYGYB
GGGGG

Burma Shave 11:55 AM  

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SCENE where it's BEEN shady,
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--- LULU DUNST

thefogman 2:10 PM  

Nice debut. I did not know about ATSIXESANDSEVENS but it’s a real thing so Bravo to Phoebe on her first NYTXW. PS - Rex should make a point of never looking up the names of constructors before writing his reviews. That way, nobody would accuse him of having a bias towards pals and an axe to grind against some of the others.

rondo 5:28 PM  

ATSIXESANDSEVENS seems like something I've come across before, maybe once a long time ago? Not a bad Mon-puz.
Wordle par.

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