Everlasting, poetically / WED 2-7-24 / "War and Peace" character who determines through numerology that he is destined to assassinate Napoleon / Prez featured in "Annie" / Some reactions on Slack / Trade mag for marketers / Carter of jazz and Perlman of film / $1 bill in slang / Crop revered by the Abelam people of Papua New Guinea / What makes most moist? / Hindu god embodying virtue

Wednesday, February 7, 2024

Constructor: Daniel Mauer

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium to Medium (4:30 for an oversized 16x15 grid)


THEME: stuttered "refrains" — famous "refrains" featuring words with repeated first syllables:

Theme answers:
  • "LA LA LA LA LOLA" (18A: Refrain in a 1970 hit by the Kinks)
  • "CH- CH- CH- CH- CHANGES" (28A: Refrain in a 1971 hit by David Bowie)
  • "MY G- G- G- GENERATION" (47A: Refrain in a 1965 hit by the Who)
  • "P- P- P- POKER FACE" (64A: Refrain in a 2008 hit by Lady Gaga)
Word of the Day: RAMA (37A: Hindu god embodying virtue) —

Rama (/ˈrɑːmə/SanskritरामIASTRāmaSanskrit: [ˈraːmɐ] ) is a major deity in Hinduism. He is the seventh and one of the most popular avatars of Vishnu. In Rama-centric traditions of Hinduism, he is considered the Supreme Being.

Rama was born to Kausalya and Dasharatha in Ayodhya, the capital of the Kingdom of Kosala. His siblings included LakshmanaBharata, and Shatrughna. He married Sita. Though born in a royal family, Rama's life is described in the Hindu texts as one challenged by unexpected changes, such as an exile into impoverished and difficult circumstances, and challenges of ethical questions and moral dilemmas. Of all his travails, the most notable is the kidnapping of Sita by demon-king Ravana, followed by the determined and epic efforts of Rama and Lakshmana to gain her freedom and destroy the evil Ravana against great odds.

The entire life story of Rama, Sita and their companions allegorically discusses duties, rights and social responsibilities of an individual. It illustrates dharma and dharmic living through model characters. (wikipedia)

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This felt very easy, but my time was not low. Weird. Must've got slowed more than I thought by the various names I didn't know (LUCID Air, PIERRE), or by my last-stage brain fritz, where I put in HEMOGLOBIN and then just locked up on all the -OBIN crosses and so tore out the end of HEMOGLOBIN ... only to put it right back in again (29D: Substance that makes blood red). I am very out of practice at full-pace solving. It can make you (me) very prone to errors like clue misreadings (for instance, my brain didn't process the word "singing" in the "IDOL" clue, for instance—kind of an important word, it turns out) (54A: Longtime TV singing series, to fans). There were a few other minor hold-ups. In that same section, the archaic (though still somehow crossword-common) "I SAY" was just not leaping to mind. I was too distracted by the fact that I had already seen "I SAW," which was running interference in my head. I also did not expect to have a non-stuttered word at the beginning of the third song, and so had all "G"s in there at first instead of "MY G- G- etc." (this seems like a design flaw—also, are there always that many "G-"s. Really feels like the number varies (I'll play the song later and see...)). I am on Slack for two different things (movies, music) and I can't remember anyone's ever posting a GIF, so GIFS was hard for me, and since I only wanted GOING SOLO (not FLYING SOLO) (12D: Going it alone), getting into the NE was slightly tricky. Biggest misstep today was probably NO-LOSE (40D: Surefire) to ONTO (53A: Privy to) ... which couldn't be ONTO because the clue had "to" in it, but I couldn't see what else it could be with the first letters ON-. To top it off, I had IN A SEC, not IN A FEW (51D: Shortly). So I had to wait for the Lady Gaga song to help me come at that section from below and clear it up (it's NO-RISK / INON). I guess these little problems added up, but I never felt any real resistance. The songs are all superfamous, and once you know you're dealing with stutters of a sort, you can fill a lot of the themers in easily (if you don't know the songs, well then god help you, I guess).

[yeah, OK, is it LA- LA- LA- LA- or L- L- L- L-  or LO- LO- LO- LO- …? The original Kinks’ version sounds kinda LO-ish. I’ve always heard LA- or a kind of flat LUH. Honestly, I’ve never really thought about it. But I'm fine with the LAs]

It's a cute theme, even if the Who song seems (as I said above) like an outlier in a couple of ways. I don't really get why the grid is 16 wide. Your longest themers are a perfect grid-spanning 15. And it's not like the fill has been visibly improved by this grid accommodation. In fact, it's puzzlingly bad in places. ETERNE!??! (39A: Everlasting, poetically). Why would anyone ever put ETERNE in their grid, especially in an easy-ish midweek grid where it's absolutely unnecessary? Even the tiniest change (ACME to ACTS) improves the grid considerably —yes, I'd much rather see the author of Tristram Shandy (Laurence STERNE) than ETERNE, but like I said, that's the change you can make without even trying. If you tried, surely you could de-ETERNE that middle in even more delightful ways. You could also de-ROOTER that NW corner with very little effort (15A: Enthusiastic fan). Maybe LOOTER was thought too grim, but nothing's as grim as the non-existent fake word ROOTER. And again, EMPIRE / ELLS is the *bare minimum* you could do to change things up there. With a little actual effort, you could certainly do even better. Maybe get rid of HERVÉ or one of the "ON" answers (IN ON, "IT'S ON"). The grid doesn't seem properly polished. The puzzle's getting by on the charm of its theme, and there's definitely charm there, but not quite enough to hide the REEK of ETERNE.


I now remember that I had trouble processing LOW HIT as well (19D: Tackle at the knees). Had the LO- and wanted, I dunno, LOP OFF? I briefly flashed on ABE as the president in "Annie" but then remembered "Annie" was set during the Depression and unless it was the ghost of Lincoln, it was probably a different prez (FDR). I always balk at Hindu god clues, sure that I'm going to put a vowel wrong. I tend to let crosses do the work there (37A: Hindu god embodying virtue). My knowledge of Indian *cuisine* is more on point. ROTI (like ATTA flour) is now a gimme for me (42A: Flatbread that can be served with dal), although without crosses you might think the four-letter flatbread was NAAN, I suppose. During my whole mini-meltdown in the SW, I read 66A: What makes most moist? and when I saw it ended in "I," I assumed I had an error. My brain was like "DEW!" and the other part of my brain was like "Oh, come on. DEW?! DEW makes *most* people moist? Really? What, are we all romping around at dawn now?" Yet another reason I tore out the -OBIN in HEMOGLOBIN (before eventually reinstating it). Anyway, in case it wasn't clear, if you put AN "I" in the word "most," you get "moist." I sometimes refer to these as "letteral" clues—the ones where words refer to themselves, their own letters, rather than some other thing. You take them "literally," they refer to "letters" ... "letteral." [Fresh start?] for EFF, that kind of thing. But I only call them "letteral" clues to myself, because I feel like I've coined enough crossword terms for now. Natick ... kealoa ... One per decade seems like a good pace. So "letteral" is gonna have to wait at least a few years before I try to make it happen. By which time someone else may have come up with something better. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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116 comments:

Rick 5:53 AM  

I'm pretty sure it is not Lo-lo-lo-lo-[etc] Lola. The song is L-O-L-A Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola.

Conrad 5:58 AM  


I'm so out of touch with pop culture that I only recognized one of the songs. That's on me. But as is my usual habit for M-W puzzles, I tried solving without reading clues for the long acrosses, so I was thinking that 18A might be just a string of LAs.

Overwrites:
NO riSk before NO LOSE for "Surefire" at 40D
IN A sEc before IN A min before IN A FEW at 51D
@Rex dew before ANI for the most/moist thing at 66A

I have to disagree with the constructor/editors that a ROOTER (15A) is an "Enthusiastic Fan". On Sunday I'll be a ROOTER for one team or the other but I won't be enthusiastic about it. I also disagree with @Rex that ROOTER is a non-existent fake word. Perhaps with a different clue, like Roto-______

DPF 6:05 AM  

It's definitely "Lo-Lo-Lo"

"I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice, she said, "Lola"
L-O-L-A, Lola
Lo-Lo-Lo-Lo-Lola"

Bob Mills 6:08 AM  

I cheated to get DEAF in the NE, then went though the alphabet to get GONER, but the music still didn't sound. This is the second time this has happened. Has anyone else experienced this?

Not an enjoyable puzzle for me, because of the emphasis on popular culture.

James McCann 6:10 AM  

Does Lady Gaga stutter on the word ‘poker’ in Poker Face…? Or the word that precedes it…’my’? Seems like I remember it being ‘my’…but I could be wrong, it is 3am in California after all and I’m wide awake.

jcal 6:19 AM  

Happily I remembered LoLa - so, eventually I got the theme, I'n one of those misbegotten fellow who has not heard most of these songs (ask me about Schubert Lieder and I'm right there); but I managed to figure these out from crosses. I imagine if I had known the song titles it would have been a very easy puzzle. And happy also I finally remembered My Generation. I hope everyone had a good time.

Adam 6:29 AM  

I also had LoLoLoLoLOLA, which is correct. Maybe you could get away with LuLuLuLuLOLA, but it is most certainly not LALALALALOLA. L O L A Lola. LOLOLOLOLOLA. Nothing else gave me much trouble, although I had a little trouble in the NW until I got URLS, which got me STOLI, and there it was. I enjoyed the puzzle overall (I was looking for more consistency on the number of times the stuttered letter or diphthong appeared, but gave that up in the overall enjoyment of recalling the songs). A diverting Wednesday.

Anonymous 6:35 AM  

Yes, my dog is Lola and I sing this a lot and it's Lo lo lo lo Lola.

SouthsideJohnny 6:50 AM  

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a theme Idea I see, and littered with PPP fill (yea, I’m going to download SLACK to see what all of the fuss is about - NOT). Anyway, at least we can spend the better part of the day arguing about what the lyrics “really” were - I think there we a few more syllables here and there, yada yada yada.

Would have had the same amount of interest if they just filled the grid with NA NA NA NA NA NA NA and titled it “Hey Jude”.. They wouldn’t even need any black spaces or even clues for that matter.

Burghman 6:52 AM  

I initially had LOLALOLALOLA, as in “Lola, L-O-L-A, Lola”. Maybe the seed for a future theme?

JJK 7:09 AM  

I disagree with Rex on the difficulty level, this was hard for a Wednesday. And his description of his solving troubles bears that out. I thought the theme was ok and the first three songs are super familiar, but then we had Lady Gaga (no idea about any of her music) and the SW corner, which I thought was hard. It’s been 40 years since I read War and Peace, but eventually I did come up with PIERRE, realized that INAsec couldn’t be right, sussed out TORRID (not easy to come by for me somehow) and guessed at POKERFACE for the end of the song. So, I managed without cheating but it was a near thing.

Anonymous 7:12 AM  

I don't think I can even read the clues in 4 minutes and thirty seconds - but I did find this one easy. Did not know the Lady Gaga song, but with a guess (Pierre) and changing in a sec to in a few - Pokerface came into view. I don't mind eterne, did not like rooter. Isn't the La/lu/lo in Lola a schwa? If so the a is okay.

Mack 7:14 AM  

I'll say medium. Mostly because I had I___IC for the Andy Warhol paintings, and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't fit IDIOTIC.

Andy Freude 7:21 AM  

Another hand up for Lo, not LA, though I suppose any vowel will do for a schwa. Thanks for the Lake Street Dive cover, Rex! Good stuff!

And I for one like “letteral.” Very fetch.

Alice Pollard 7:21 AM  

I have been wrong since 1970. I had LoLoLo.... Read the constructor's comments, he says the official Kinks Sheet music and lyric sheet has LALALA. He originally had LoLoLo in there and had to change it.

Anonymous 7:26 AM  

"Letteral" is your best coining yet. Don't wait. Rush it through editing and into production.

Wasn't The Knack's My Sharona only about a week ago?

Anonymous 7:45 AM  

FarING SOLO before FLYING SOLO held me up a bit, but the real disaster for me was sonAR before RADAR at 59 across [thing with a ping]. That made the SE incredibly difficult for me and eventually had to check in order to finish. A very hard Wednesday for me.

JD 7:46 AM  

Yep, there it is thanks to Google, a copy of the original sheet music and it's La. You can buy it for $9.95. And I have the Lake Street Dive on my yoga play list so I've mis-sung it for a loong time.

Should've gotten GIF but didn't, and didn't know CODA so that was a Natick for an official DNF. There are hundreds of characters in War and Peace and they all have two names.

Norisk & Torrid LLP, divorce attorneys.

Lewis 7:48 AM  

I liked:
• Having a few need-to-return-to areas, satisfying my brain’s work ethic.
• EGG crossing a backward EGG.
• The rare-in-crosswords five-letter palindrome (RADAR).
• Being reminded that CODA stands for “child of deaf adults”, as it was inching out of my easy recall.
• The food subtheme: CHILI, YAM, SUB, RELISH, EGG, CLAM, ROTI.
• The theme answer rrrrepetition, which quickened the fill-in.
• Words I adore: LUCID, TORRID, and the lovely LILITH.

Daniel, I have found all your seven NYT puzzles entertaining, especially your last one, which started in the NW corner with ANTICI and ended in the SE corner with PATION, and the theme answers in-between being ALMOST THERE, WAIT FOR IT, and NOT QUITE YET. Hah!

Your puzzles are so different that I have no idea what’s coming next; except to know that I will be charmed by it. As I was today – and thank you!

Son Volt 7:58 AM  

Theme was TV Guide level - the overall fill trended late week. Repetive letter sting themes are obtuse - so much grid real estate wasted on inane fill. I liked ETERNE - and LUCID for that matter.

ANGEL

HEMOGLOBIN is a little odd. Unlike our SB friend naan ROTI doesn’t rise - definitely a more common bread for my Kerala friends. Slight side eye to RAMA and RAMS. The ADWEEK x EPA cross could be an issue for some.

A generally flat Wednesday morning solve.

JASON

Twangster 8:02 AM  

I am a huge Kinks fan and also have been singing it as lo-lo-lo-lo-Lola for 40 years. But I just pulled out my original LP and it does say la-la-la-Lola, which is super weird.

When I was solving this puzzle, I actually thought that was so unlikely that I considered the answer had something to do with Apeman, which also has a chorus of la's and is on the same album!

Anonymous 8:07 AM  

Where you drink champagne
And it tastes just like CODA CODA
C-O-D-A COOODA

Fun theme today! And now I will have this song in my head all day :)

Anonymous 8:08 AM  

Agree "entertaining" good word for this puzzle.
Like OFL, felt easy but medium time. Now that I'm looking back, only NE and E filled in without hesitation; I guess there was some resistance
Letteral better than only plausible alternative, mettar (meta-letter)

Anonymous 8:15 AM  

@andy freude. Mean Girls reference?

mmorgan 8:28 AM  

I didn’t know the Lady Gaga song (come to think of it, I don’t know ANY Lady Gaga songs) but it came easily enough from crosses.

I never mind the word ETERNE. I actually kind of like it, it’s soft and soothing.

I am sure the final chorus alternates a bit between LA LA LA and LO LO LO. and sometimes even LA LA LA LO LOLA and other variations

Mike in Bed-Stuy 8:35 AM  

I found this to be easy and fun. I could not get the first few acrosses at first. My initial entry point was 1D URLS, followed by 8D HULA, and, of all things to have in one's wheelhouse, 10D LILITH. From then on it was pretty whoosh-whoosh for me, and I was downright thrilled by the themers.

Anonymous 8:38 AM  

Classic rock fan here and a member of a corporate legal department. Puzzle right up my alley!

David Grenier 8:44 AM  

Fun theme! Got LOLA and CHANGES right away. Needed some crosses for the last two. I kept thinking the Lady Gaga song went MY MY MY POKER FACE but that may be because of that one Parks and Recreation episode.

HERVE is going to be out of reach for anyone under 50. He’ll, I’m 50 and while I could picture him and know the character’s name, I only know the actor as “the guy who played TATTOO on Fantasy Island.”

Megafrim 8:45 AM  

Kept looking for M-M-M-My Sharona

gfrpeace 8:50 AM  

FAH, I have been doing crosswords for too long. Knowing absolutely none of the thematic material I still solved it pretty fast, except for a few letters in the northeast. I need a new hobby.

Mack 8:52 AM  

Worth pointing out that "official" lyrics often bear little resemblance to what is actually sung on a recording. While the constructor was probably right to go with "LA" based on how the clue is written, it could have easily been clued as "Refrain sung by the Kinks..." and "LO" would have worked fine.

Anonymous 8:55 AM  

makes sense to me that it is lo-lo-lo-lola.
btw, my mother's name was lola. she disliked that song.

Jocko 8:58 AM  

What are the odds? Reading War and Peace and just yesterday read the chapter about Pierre doing the nutty numerology exercise.

RooMonster 9:01 AM  

Hey All !
Haven't we had this type repeating word thingies before? And not too long ago.

Good puz for what it does. Thought the repeating/stuttering thing would be consistent, but we get 4-4-3-3.

This grid is an example of what I had said last time the grid was one row bigger. On that other puz, it was warranted, on this one, there's no reason to be 16 wide. If it was 15 wide, there would just be three Blockers after 18A. A 12 Themer, 3 Blockers = 15. Granted, the top (and symmetrically, bottom) Themer would need to be one row lower (higher) so the last three Downs in Row 1 could be 3's, otherwise they'd be 2's. But still, it would've worked.

Anyway, we do get more puz for the money, so there's that.

Wanted ISAY originally for ISAW, but then saw ISAY on the bottom. I see, said I, that I saw ISAY. Then wanted to change it to ISEE, but ACME was all that that could be, so I SEE was not what I SAW, ISAY. 😁

Fell for the NOloSe/oNto trap. Neither the puz nor I REEKed.

Hump Day is upon us. It's downhill from here, y'all.

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:07 AM  

Mandela effect: we all remember it as LOLo

Anonymous 9:07 AM  

Had IRONIC for ICONIC and DNF. Shoulda known they wouldn't name a car LURID.

pabloinnh 9:12 AM  

You say LOLO, I say LALA, and so on. I filled in LALA because of the crosses and never thought about it, so that's another take on that one.

Was doing fine on the lyrics until I hit Lady Gaga and that took almost all the crosses. Going nowhere in the SE until I thought of ADWEEK somehow and that gave me INAFEW. War and Peace has so many characters that PIERRE was not readily apparent plus I've never read the book, which probably would have been helpful.

Found out that there's something called Slack where you can see GIFS, and that there a vehicle named LUCID. HERVE was a gimme as it's in the "name someone else with that name" category. And I didn't mind ETERNE. another gimme.

Perfectly fine Wednesday, DM. Didn't Make me scratch my head but that's for later in the week. Thanks for all the fun.



Rachel 9:14 AM  

I too put in LO LO LO before LOLA instead of LA LA LA. It's definitely LO.

I've never heard of ETERNE, that one was awful.

Dr R 9:15 AM  

Even the lyrics sites have a difference of opinion on the LA vs LO issue. If you listen to the song they sing LALALALALOLA a few times and LOLOLOLOLOLA a few times. Also there are different recordings with different interpretations including LUHLUHLUHLUHLOLA. I figure the dress is both blue and white. LOL LOL LOL LOL.

Joe Dipinto 9:18 AM  

MY G-G-G-GENERATION is accurate for the first time Roger Daltrey stutters it. The second time he adds only one initial G.

Anonymous 9:19 AM  

Go listen to it. She sings, “P-p-p-poker face p-p-poker face,” more than once.

Anonymous 9:19 AM  

@conrad 5:58 when i clean my toilets I'm a Roter Rooter

Brian 9:19 AM  

As a 90s kid, I grew up with Weird Al singing YOYOYOYOYODA, and the original will never hit the same for me. Doubly true for Amish Paradise vs Gangsta's Paradise. This feels like a missed opportunity after Monday's POLKAPOWER answer, even if it would've surely been calamitous for the grid.

Anonymous 9:23 AM  

I've never heard of a LUCID Air and so was perfectly happy with the Warhol works being IRONIC and the car being a LURID air. Oops!

Dan M 9:29 AM  

Constructor here;

Why 16 wide: I initially tried a normal grid with the 15s at the top and bottom, but the repeated consonants in CHCHCHCHCHANGES and MYGGGGENERATION really crowded those corners with less leeway for black square placement. I didn't want to squeeze all the themers toward the middle either, and to have a 12-letter entry in the 3rd/12th rows would require a solid 3x3 block of black squares. So, 16x15 it is!

As for LA/Lo: I could be convinced either way, it seems Ray Davies sings it both ways in various recordings, but it's the NYT, so probably best to go with the "Official" version (even if it's more "official" to the record company than it might be to the songwriter, who I'd imagine cares more about how it sounds when sung than how it looks when written).

Also, @Lewis well that was a really nice thing to read. Thanks for the kind words!

Niallhost 9:34 AM  

Just listened to original recording of LOLA. The first time he stutters her name it could be heard as LA if that's what you want to hear, but after that, in every instance, it is most definitely LO (it never alternates between LO and LA, always LO). If you look up the lyrics online, it is always written as LO.

OO OO OO OO OOPSIE

JD 9:42 AM  

@Dan M, It was a joy. Thanks!

Mike in Bed-Stuy 9:44 AM  

@Mack 8:52 AM – No. And I'm tired of hearing this refrain about this refrain. Nothing personal, @Mack—This is just where I decided to lodge my complaint. Whatever anyone hears, or thinks they hear, Ray Davies wrote "la" not "lo," and that's all there is to it. That being said, there's actually a lot more to it, musically and, in particular for me, semantically. I will limit myself to a couple of points. First off, someone in another comment said the repeated vowel sound is a shwa, so it doesn't matter how you spell it. I disagree. I would argue that in the other three themers in this puzzle, which include the phonemic refrains (in music called *non-lexical vocables*) "ch," "g" and "p" yes, the sound is a schwa. But not in "Lola." Neither, however, is it the first syllable of Lola's name, as most commenters here seem to assume. It is, rather, "la" as in "tra la la" and "la la la." The phrase so indelibly penned by Ray Davies was "La la la Lola," almost as if "la la la" were an epithet. If it sounds like I am overthinking this, that's because I AM! I suspect Ray Davies did not think about schwas or non-lexical vocables or epithets when he jotted down that lyric. He just thought "La la la Lola" sounded really great and was totally appropriate to the vibe he was creating for this trailblazing song about gender-nonconformity.

Niallhost 9:46 AM  

Alright, went down the rabbit hole a little more after reading the constructor's comment. Found an interview from 2020 where Ray Davies talks about writing the song:

Next, he searched for an irresistible chorus hook, then road-tested it at home. “I had a 1-year-old child at the time,” Davies said. “She was crawling around singing ‘la la, la la Lola.’ I thought, ‘If she can join in and sing, Kinks fans can do it.’”

Nancy 9:49 AM  

Like everyone else, I have a limited amount of time on this earth, and I refuse to fritter it away on utttttter nnnnonnnnssssenssse.

SPLAT!!!!!!

Paul & Kathy 9:52 AM  

I think I don't understand the appeal in speed solving puzzles. It's like the story the other day in NYT about people who do competitive jigsaw puzzle assembly. It misses the point of the thing. It's supposed to be a fun diversion. If you're getting stressed out about it, why do it?

It took me a little over ten minutes over coffee and a doughnut this morning to finish this one, and the only reason I know that is that I solve on the webpage where it times me.

Anonymous 10:05 AM  

Thing with a ping is sonar, not radar

Anonymous 10:10 AM  

I agree. I know zip about pop songs. Let's be fair and have one with Bach cantata titles!

bocamp 10:13 AM  

Thx, Daniel; catCHy theme! 😊

Relatively easy downs-o.

More or less getting the gist of theme (repeating letters) early on was a boon, altho post-solve couldn't make sense of it, as I wasn't familiar with any of the songs.

Only hitCH was my last fill where I had I SAW for 54D, then I SAW that I already had I SAW at 24A. wEN made sense, but then so did YEN, so that was that.

Otherwise a smooth journey thru downs-only land. Lotsa fun! :)
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Anonymous 10:40 AM  

Four minutes and thirty seconds and Rex thinks he was a bit slow? I can’t possibly imagine how anyone could do this puzzle in that amount of time. I like to savor puzzles. I really enjoy the clues and the fill. I also prefer to not be so concerned about now quickly, or slowly, I do a puzzle. To race through a crossword in order to boast to the world of one's mental superiority seems to miss the entire point.

Anonymous 10:47 AM  

I want to comment on the Lola discussion. Ray Davies is singing lead and IMO is singing La. His brother Dave (brothers, tonally can be close to identical) sings both La and Lo. The history of The Kinks would have one believe that break-up style arguments ensued every time Dave sang Lo. So, everyone hears it a bit differently.

Anonymous 10:53 AM  

Yes! Let’s make letteral happen!

GILL I. 10:57 AM  

Well I guess god did help because I didn't remember any of the songs and yet I did as told and followed the bouncing ball.
I will agree with @Rex....The theme is cute. I did wonder about all the LA's, CH's, G's and P's. Did they really stutter in their song? Why would you do that....I'll ask my boyfriend Andrea Bocccccccelllllli.
It was fairly easy for me. Compared to yesterday where I couldn't even get EGG TIMERS. We got another EGG today and a YAM and a CLAM and some ROTI. I'll make some soup and call it "Letteral."
So I go and listen to the "Lola" song and then I remembered and then I disremembered. LALALAND is floating in my head. I hear it as LA.
Nice to see our constructor dropping in. I really don't care if the puzzle is even a 17 grid. I don't pay attention to those details. All I want is some fun. I had fun today...thank you @Dan M.....

Masked and Anonymous 10:58 AM  

Brrrr. C-c-c-cool music theme. Gave m&e chills.

My biggest theme stickin point was "My Generation" by the Who. Didn't know that tune, which surprised m&e, given that it came out in the mid-60s. Thought I knew about all the 60s hits pretty well. Turns out, this "hit" by the Who topped out at #74 on the charts, in 1966.

staff weeject pick: ANI. Cute, moIstly cuz of its clue.
Nice weeject stacks, in the NE & SW, btw.

Primo longball pair of HEMOGLOBIN and FLYINGSOLO. Also liked UMPIRE/URLS, openin up the puz with a U.
Mighta gone with RAPT/GIFT instead of RAPS/GIFS, tho. Just my personal taste, tho.

Thanx for the stutterin oldies, Mr. Mauer dude. Will hafta get my "Lola" 45 out later, and look into that there La vs. Lo thing. Honestly can't remember what prexactly it sounded like.

Masked & Anonymo3Us


**gruntz**

Gary Jugert 11:04 AM  

A few days back during the MY SHARONA incident I foolishly said I was an expert in stuttering in rock and roll, and what'd'ya know, I proved it again today. Thank you to our very funny slush pile editor for making me feel smart.

I agree it should be LOLOLO, but still a fast solve.

I've never heard of the LUCID car company. Those cars look like every other car. I think car designers probably go to conventions where they all agree to make the same car with different logos.

HERVÉ and PIERRE took every cross. HERVÉ'S Wikipedia page is sad.

Ug:

ROOTER = [Enthusiastic fan] = gawd.

ISAW ISAY INON ITSON IDOL IPOD

@CDilly52 5:04 PM YD: Thanks for a another Gran story. She's one of my favorite solvers here.

Uniclues:

1 How TMZ scoops.
2 What's on your Izod after a bar fight.
3 Love nightwear with images foreshadowing breakfast.
4 These days at the NYTXW as they keep passing the gawd awful phrase through to publication.
5 One about to jump.
6 "Go ahead. How hard can it be? It's just a plane."
7 Compound where old John will retire.

1 IDOL LAIRS RADAR
2 POLO HEMOGLOBIN
3 RELISH EGG PJS
4 "GAL PAL" ERA ACME (~)
5 GONER ... IN A FEW
6 FLYING SOLO DARE
7 DEAF ELTON ACRE

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: "I only have one wife." UTAH PICK-UP LINE.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Kate Esq 11:09 AM  

I went to high school with Dan, so I don’t know if it is residual fondness for the guy or the fact that we just have the same points of reference but I found this puzzle easy and charming (and I enjoy most of his puzzles). The theme was just right for a Wednesday, and I found most of the fill good, or at least gettable (did not love ETERNEor ROOTER, and as soon as I saw ROOTER i knew RP would hate it) but I liked the cluing/answers for STOLI, LILITH, DEAF, FLYING SOLO, FDR, TESLA, HEMOGLOBIN, OZONE, JASON, TORRID, and ANI. A fun puzzle and felt very much the right level of difficulty for a Wednesday.

mathgent 11:15 AM  

I've read parts of W&P but not anything about PIERRE. And yet when I saw ????R?, I wrote in PIERRE quite confidently. Weird.

egsforbreakfast 11:23 AM  

I imagine that the lo vs. la controversy will be a hot topic at the next Lollapazoola (or is it Lallopozaalo?) tournament. Personally, I'm on the A-team on this one, but I understand why many are hanging out in the OZONE.

Here in the States we may say GALPAL, but in France, they just call her LEGAL.

LUCID Air sounds more like a basketball shoe for sane people than a car.

If you cross a dweeb with a geek, do you get ADWEEK?

Fun puzzle to rock out to. Thanks, Daniel Mauer.

johnk 11:27 AM  
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Whatsername 11:27 AM  

Quite a slog for me, primarily because I have no idea what any of the theme clues were even referring to, much less the actual lyrics of the songs. But it must also be said that the generous helping of proper names and trivia didn’t help matters any. I’d SAY I’m somewhere between @Lewis’ charming and @Nancy’s SPLAT, leaning like ITALIC type toward the one hitting the wall.

burtonkd 11:35 AM  

@Dan M - congrats. I like to think you saw the My Sharona answer the other day and whipped this up. More likely the ed dept is having fun making a mini theme. Or a spoiler depending how you look at it. I had fun remembering these songs, plus you gave a good workout for a Wednesday. Enjoy your victory lap today!

Nice callback to CODA, the Oscar winner (deaf was the only initial that I could remember)

Anoa Bob 11:37 AM  

Not being familiar with the acronym version of CODA, I had DEAD at 13 Down. GIDS looked perfectly fine for 23A "Some reactions on Slack". Slack? Hey dude, cut me some slack on that one. Must be yet another social media site. I had to use "Check puzzle" to find that error.

I was a Sonar Technician in the Navy. They called us "Ping Jockeys". As a couple of @anons have pointed out, SONAR should be the answer to 59A "Thing with a ping". Sonar uses audible sounds---pings---and listens for echoes to locate underwater objects. RADAR uses electromagnetic radiation in the radio frequency spectrum to locate objects. It makes no audible sound. Maybe in the movies but not in real life.

Dani 11:42 AM  

I wanted 'PPPPapaRazzi' for the lady gaga song - the woman sure loved to stutter her Ps in 2008...! Only remembered that poker face existed when I got NO RISK, and was very pleased to find that I didn't have to come up with an alternative to ACRE after all.

Looking it up, it would be papapaparazzi for that one - a letter too long.

Anonymous 11:42 AM  

Or B-B-B-Benny and the Jets since Sir Elton was featured.

Masked and Anonymous 11:47 AM  

p.s.
Whoopsie…
Meant "RAPT/GIFT instead of RAMS/GIFS".
Slight typo, in my first msg.

M&A Dept. of Corrections

Carola 11:54 AM  

Well, I at least knew P-P-P-POKER FACE - and the other titles were crossed fairly, so I was able to finish the puzzle. But not knowing the other songs lowered the delight factor for sure. Otherwise, I found it on the hard side for a Wednesday, not a bad thing at all.

Do-overs: Mace before MOAT, LILIan, LAs all the way until the cross with ICONIC got me the correct O. No idea: LUCID, LILITH, HERVE.

jb129 11:58 AM  

I pretty much had the same hang-ups as Rex. And I couldn't get Rhea (Perlman) out of my head which it couldn't be. I thought MOIST was cute, never remember LILITH off the bat but all in all an interesting puzzle. Thanks, Daniel :)

jb129 12:05 PM  

Yes, nice to see the constructor drop in, DAN! :)

jberg 12:10 PM  

I've never used Slack, don't know what it's for, and I had DEA_ crossing GI_ and all I could think of was GIg, wondering if it could be a site where musicians looked for work -- but a gig wouldn't be a reaction. So I gave in and looked up CODA, which I'd never heard used in that sense.

I knew only three of the songs, and knew of the stutters in only 2, Lola and Changes. I love Lady Gaga for "Born this Way" and her duets with Tony Bennett, but hadn't heard this one -- still, once I had the POKE it couldn't be anything else.

My biggest problem was confidently filling in HEMOGoblIN. I even checked it when I ran into trouble with the crosses but said, 'nah, everyone knows how to spell that word.' Then I came back to it a few moments later and saw the problem. D'oh!

thanks for stopping by, @Dan M. - always nice to hear from the constructor.

Joe Bleaux 12:27 PM  

Up against the wa-wa-wa-wall! You’re my shero, Nancy.

Anonymous 12:40 PM  

also be aware which version you listen to:

"One you hear it the song, there is no going back. During the chorus of Poker Face, the singer revealed she actually says "P-p-p-poker face, p-p-f*** her face". Much to the horror of many children and parents who have been playing the song since its release 15 years ago."

there was only 1 radio station that caught it and properly censored the song when it first came out, a bit of a scandal that flew under the radar

johnk 12:41 PM  

Here are some radar pings
PPPPPPPPing me when you hear one you LaLaLaLaLaLa like.

sf27shirley 12:46 PM  

CHILI is the dish. Chile is the pepper.

Sailor 12:55 PM  

@Dan M 9:29 AM - Thanks for dropping in here with your very calm and coherent clarification. After reading your comments, I agree with you on both of the points of contention you address.

SharonAK 1:01 PM  

Reading the comments I'd say this is one time it helped me early on not to know any of the songs. I had no trouble with the la la las.
Farther down in the puzzle it would have helped if I'd heard of them. Now that I have heard of them I'm trying to mentally hear how a singer stutters the g in generation and the p in poker face. Cannot.
Googled gifs and slack to see if the answer was right. Still unsure.
I always want Indian breads to be naan. Somehow can't remember seeing roti on a menu, only in crosswords. Maybe due to few Indian restaurants here and so many years now since I've been to England.
Fun to hae I say appear after I saw.

jae 1:04 PM  

Easy-medium seems right. Did not know LUCID, PIERRE, the GAGA song, and GIFS because I have no idea what Slack is.


There seems to be quite a bit of PPP. Cute, liked it.

okanaganer 1:11 PM  

At the very first themer I said to myself "Stuttering songs again?" I'm surprised only a couple of commenters said anything about it. Last time I posted a link to a long list of stuttering songs but I can't remember what day that was.

For "Carter of jazz and Perlman of film" I put RHEA because Rhea Perlman!

[Spelling Bee: Tue 0; QB streak 13!]

Greg Chavez 1:14 PM  

Of course you are correct. When I imagine someone singing “LA-LA-LA-LA-LOLA”, I see them making a goofy face as they flap their widened tongue up and down in besotted Falstaffian mockery. Ruined an otherwise jaunty midweek theme.

SFR 1:18 PM  

EWAN and Charley are now in Mexico on their electric Harleys as we binge watch Long Way Up ... so that one was easy.

68Charger 1:37 PM  

Nice puzzle but...
Kind of surprised the puzzle referenced that Lady Gaga song. It just seems to be a little 'bold' for the NY Times Xwords... and I'm usually pretty easy going on things like this!

ac 1:59 PM  

its lo lo lo Lola.. its only one of the famous songs ever... ny times.. shrug

Anonymous 2:32 PM  

Alas, no room in the grid for the great Buddy Holly, and PPPPPPPeggy Sue

Whatsername 2:38 PM  

@CDilly from yesterday: It was late so I didn't post last night but I loved your "Gran" story. Her advice to you was so memorable that I saved it to a collection of quotes and sayings that I've found especially notable. It's just a journal of thoughts - some from famous persons, some from books/publications and some from people like you and your grandmother. I've always tried to argue my points just the way she coached you to, but this will be a nice reminder for me now, every time I run across it. Thanks and I hope California is agreeing with you!

Matthew 2:58 PM  

Just want to say that I love Lake Street Dive.
But I hadn't heard their cover of Lola until today.
Thanks, Rex.

Anonymous 3:33 PM  

Right that threw me off as well

kitshef 4:05 PM  

I certainly wanted LOs, but am fine with LAs. What I was not fine with was the mystery car at 16A, which forced me to choose between IcONIC or IrONIC for the artworks. Naturally, I guessed wrong.

Amanda R 4:11 PM  

Absolutely agree it's lo lo lo lo Lola.

Gary Jugert 4:14 PM  

@egsforbreakfast 11:23 AM
A dweek ... OMG egs. You're ruining my ability to see words as words. It's always gotta be a joke with you.

Anonymous 4:18 PM  

@Rick et al. It’s La not Lo. Keep reading 👇

Anonymous 4:24 PM  

Of course ETERNE was a gimme. That doesn’t make it good.

RooMonster 5:20 PM  

Hey Constrictor Dan!
I was going to put a caveat in my previous post about the "why 16 wide" grid, ala, something along the lines of, "I'm sure it cleaned up the corners", or something to that effect, but I didn't! So, sorry if I came across as an ass
.
I have constructed many a puz myself, although I have yet to get an acceptance, (read: jealous of you! 😁) so I figured (to myself) that was the reasoning for the 16. But I didn't clearly come across as understanding why it was done. So, sorry about that.

I'll try to keep my trap shut!

Congrats on a cool puz.

But no BTO? You ain't seen N-N-N-Nothin yet... 😁

RooMonster Excuse Me While I Remove My Foot Guy

Anonymous 6:04 PM  

Rachel
See responses above
Listen to the song carefully

dgd 6:11 PM  

M & A
My Generation became famous eventually as an ICONIC song of Baby Boomers. So it’s standing on the charts the year it came out is irrelevant. I am sure the title helped!
After boomers, I couldn’t say.
Seems like most here know it

Beezer 7:22 PM  

@Dan M (constructor)…crazy day for me…worked puzzle/no time to comment. A very fine puzzle and THANK YOU for time you put into his!

Joe Dipinto 7:57 PM  

@Anon 2:32 – There's no stutter in "Peggy Sue", he sings:
Pret-ty pret-ty pret-ty pret-ty Peggy Sue

Nessa 10:13 PM  

I thought it was great until I realized they wanted "LALALA" instead of "LOLOLO"

Anonymous 10:59 PM  

Know none of the songs, so none of.tje fun. Slack??? Bah.

Anonymous 11:43 PM  

I much prefer ETERNE to some proper noun I've never heard and have no way of inferring (STERNE). ETERNE does smell, though, and I have to agree about the lack of polish overall.

Dr.A 8:14 AM  

Yes I am in the “it’s not LA LA LA LOLA” camp. It probably bothered me way too much. But it’s clearly either LO or as @Rex said just an L sound like LUH. So I was immediately annoyed. LOL(O).

Anonymous 9:45 AM  

I feel satisfied with myself for having the prerequisite music knowledge to ace all the themers! Now I want to listen to all four of these songs again...

NJTransplant 6:28 AM  

I thought the theme was good fun. As a music lover, I loved it and happily set aside the LO/LA misstep

NJTransplant 6:34 AM  

Poker face has been unavoidable since it came out 15 years ago? Chances are you will have heard it 50 times without trying, but just didn't know it.

Anonymous 9:06 PM  

I also know more about Bach cantatas than pop songs—but that said, let this puzzle be your invitation to give yourself the present of getting to know the Bowie song “Changes”

Anonymous 6:52 AM  

SONAR has pings. RADAR has blips.

Brianlas 8:06 AM  

Made me laugh! Thank you!

Anonymous 2:07 PM  

Pretty, pretty, pretty…good!

Anonymous 3:29 PM  

I am in the Lo-Lo-Lo-Lo-LOLA camp. LALA does not rhyme with cola.

spacecraft 4:08 PM  

As many have pointed out, the [wo]man was LOLO...etc. Definitely not LA. Also, it was CH-CH-CHANGES, two stutters not three. If you like doing crosswords in that vein. Me? I don't care that much for it. The whole thing is a putdown for many with that particular speech impediment. I mean, if you're gonna go all PC-sensitive about it, where's the objection here? Pigs being such "intelligent" animals, Porky should know better.

Besides, I had no idea about the Lady Gaga thing, so SE was unnecessarily difficult for a Wednesday. It didn't help having INAsEc instead of INAFEW.

Just four examples, no revealer, and the fill just so-so. FLYINGSOLO is good, but HEMOGLOBIN, while necessary, is not compelling. Bogey.

Wordle birdie.

Burma Shave 6:39 PM  

LEGAL GONER

ISAW LILITH as MY GAL,
ISAY the RISK was LOW,
but AVOW CHANGES MY PAL,
I FACE FLYINGSOLO.

--- PIERRE POLO

rondo 7:02 PM  

BBBBBBBBABY you ain't seen nothin' yet. Always liked Bebe Neuwirth as LILITH.
Wordle birdie.

Diana, LIW 8:13 PM  

A bit of a Thursdayish Wednesday, eh? Had a hard time believing the theme when I began to catch onto it, but then it became too obvious.

I thought of the Porky Pig thingie, too, but refrained from carrying on the stuttering theme.

Lady Di

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