THEME: "The Inside Scoop" — parts of words that *sound* like another word for "gossip" ("scoop") can be found "inside" longer words and crossing grape varieties, which form a "vine" at the middle of the puzzle (running from top to bottom of the grid); thus, those word parts ("roomer" "tock" etc.) are HEARD THROUGH / THE GRAPEVINE (13D: With 61-Down, like some gossip ... as represented phonetically by each set of shaded squares?) in two senses; "gossip" (which those word parts represent) is heard through the grapevine (metaphorically), and the word parts, which literally run "through" (i.e. intersect) the "grapevine" in this puzzle, must be "heard" to be understood (as spelled, they are often gibberish and never look like the words they sound like):
The "grapevine":
MERLOT (8D: Variety used to make Bordeaux wine)
CONCORD (47D: Variety commonly found in jellies and pies)
MUSCAT (96D: Variety that shares its name with a Mideast capital)
The "scoop":
GROOMERS ("rumor") (31A: Some kennel personnel)
OVERSTOCKS ("talk") (44A: Orders more of than necessary)
JUDICIOUS ("dish") (67A: Prudent)
UNDERTONES ("dirt") (82A: Things that perceptive people might pick up)
REVENUES ("news") (101A: Proceeds)
Word of the Day: "DOLL PARTS" (78D: 1994 single by Hole whose cover art depicts a miniature wedding dress and veil) —
"Doll Parts" is a song by American alternative rock band Hole, written by vocalist and rhythm guitarist Courtney Love. The song was released as the band's sixth single and second from their second studio album, Live Through This, in November 1994 to accompany the band's North American tour. It was also the first single to be released following the death of bassist Kristen Pfaff in June 1994.
Love wrote the song in late 1991, soon after she met Kurt Cobain, and has admitted that its lyrics were about her insecurity of his romantic interest in her. It became one of the band's most popular songs, peaking on the US Billboard Modern Rock Tracks at number 4, and is considered by fans and critics alike as one of Hole's signature tracks.
In September 2021, Rolling Stone ranked the track 208 in their list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time. [...] The music video for "Doll Parts" was directed bySamuel Bayer—who had also directed music videos forThe Smashing Pumpkinsand Nirvana—and who Hole commissioned following the death of bassistKristen Pfaff.Jennifer FinchofL7is featured as the bassist in the video. Bayer has said that he wanted it "evoke the feeling of death"and used ideas conceived by Love throughout the video.
Love's ideas included a large amount of doll imagery, herself "in a babydoll dress looking demure while playing guitar on a bed" and "walking in a bleak backyard passing a children's table set for a tea party." Bayer designed the garden scenes to be "decaying" and added "a hundred plaster-wrapped dolls dangling from trees." Other scenes [feature] a young blonde boy, a reference "meant to invoke Kurt [Cobain]", and footage of the band performing the song. Most of the video was shot in black-and-white and interspersed with various color shots. Two edits of "Doll Parts" have been broadcast—an original edit and a "producer's version."
Hello. I am returned from my Great Minnesota Adventure, i.e. visiting my best friends and seeing Madonna—a concert we were *supposed* to see last summer, before the whole latter part of her tour got rescheduled due to health concerns. None of those health concerns were on display Tuesday, though, wow, please god let me look half that good and move a quarter that well at 65. Not terribly convenient to have the concert rescheduled to the middle of a work week in February, but oh well, best friends are best friends and Madonna is Madonna and teaching can be done remotely now and you do what you gotta do. But I'm glad to be back home and back to solving / blogging (thanks to Clare / Mali / Eli / Rafa for their usual great stand-in work). So the puzzle I get for my return to action is this one and ... hmm. It's a bit of a mess. Do three grape types, straight up and down, really make a "vine"? The puzzle relies very heavily on a visual that never quite comes into focus. Oh ... I see they've just drawn a vine on the grid in the app (and probably in the paper version as well).
Huh. Seems like a cheat. Three straight up-and-down grape types—not a compelling vine. I mean, if you're just gonna draw the vine on there, why do you need the grape types at all? Just draw some grapes on there too and be done with it. Those grape types are totally arbitrary anyway. These visuals that the NYTXW seems to be relying on more and more—whistles and bells and pasted-on decorations—seems like so much shiny spangle designed to distract you from the fact that the puzzle is actually no better than it ever was. Gamify the puzzle, that seems to be the idea. Shrug. If you like that sort of thing...
I was vaguely aware of italicized clues on grape varieties, but otherwise had no idea what I was supposed to be seeing until I got the revealer, which (thankfully) was very easy to get. I could see, after ROOMER and TOK, that there was some kind of "gossip" pun theme going on .... and I could tell from the italicized clues on the grapes that grapes ... were involved. But I needed that revealer to tie it together. Playing on the meaning of "heard" does elevate the theme somewhat. Would likely have been easy (easier?) to have the actual words themselves ("rumor," "talk," etc.) run "THROUGH / THE GRAPEVINE," and you'd still have had a coherent theme, but this puzzle is more ambitious, taking those words and allowing us to see them only by hearing them. So the gossip must be literally heard to be understood. It's a nice touch. I mean, DIC really does look ridiculous on its own, and had me wondering what "dick!" had to do with any of this, but within the word itself, DIC = "dish," so, fair. The puzzle title also does a reasonable job this week of conveying the theme, as the shaded letters sound like synonyms for "scoop" (i.e. "gossip") and are buried "inside" longer answers. So there are things to admire thematically. I'm just not buying the drawn-on "vine" bit.
The fill was a mixed bag. No real SLOP, but some sloppy repetition ("I PLAN TO" almost alongside SPEAK TOacross the grid from AKINTO, with TOO semi-ironically in between) and some forced colloquialism ("AIN'T SO" / ONE PER / RESCUE OP) and some dated slang (HATERADE). SAND SHARK feels super-"My Uncurated Wordlist Taught Me This" (4D: Marine predator often seen near shorelines) (it's a debut, though it did appear in a Cox/Rathvon cryptic back in 2011). I liked YOINK (hard not to like YOINK) (28D: Comics sound when something is snatched) and parsing GOONIN was a not uncompelling adventure (41D: "Well, don't wait out here!"). My favorite answer was probably the most absurd answer in the grid—absurd for being easily the most ... I wanna say "arcane" or "obscure" thing in the grid, which seem like appropriate enough words for a song that peaked at #58 on the Billboard Hot 100 29 years ago, but if you're a Gen-Xer (guilty), then "DOLL PARTS" will loom somewhat larger in your memory, perhaps, than the middling chart success would seem to warrant. That song was everywhere in the mid-90s. I wasn't particularly a Hole fan in 1994 (that wouldn't happen til Celebrity Skin (1998)), but the album that "DOLL PARTS" was on (Live Through This) came out the same week (!) that Kurt Cobain died, and since Hole was fronted by Cobain's wife (Courtney Love)—well, the drama of the moment seemed to shine a spotlight on the song, especially once it was released as a single later in the year. Of course, if you were too old for this moment, or too young, there's a good chance that this song title was meaningless to you. These things happen. If it didn't make you happy, I understand. But for me, remembering that Hole song was one of the more pleasurable parts of the solving experience.
My favorite wrong answer of the day was a doozy. I didn't know that the vine answers were grapes, necessarily, or that a "vine" was involved at all, so when I saw [47D: Variety commonly found in jellies and pies] and I had CON- already in place, I went with what to me seemed like the only sensible answer: CONGERS! (i.e. eels). Jellied eel ... is a thing. A thing that traditionally accompanies pie & mash. It's all very British. I blame Dickens (whom I'm currently reading ... though I don't think there are any eel pies in David Copperfield—not yet, anyway; I've got a few pages left, so there's still hope!)
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
P.S. OK, I'm still stuck on dick, I mean DIC ("dish"). It's the subsequent "I" that really gives the "C" its "sh" sound, so ... DIC really seems incomplete. "Tea" is a word for "gossip"—would've been easy to bury "inside" another answer in disguised form ("TI"? "TEE"?), and wouldn't have had that awkward, DIC-ish quality that DIC has.
P.P.S. The [Windy part of a kite?] is the REEL because it's the part that ... winds (rhymes with "binds"). It's "windy" as in winding, not "windy" as in blowing.
P.P.P.S. [Little lifter] is TEE because a (golf) TEE is little and lifts your ball above ground level.
I think it’s in terrible taster, it at the very least unfortunate, to have Aly Raisman, an outspoken hero of sexual assault survivors right above the word “groomers.” (See, Larry Nassar)
I immediately knew DOLLPARTS (I'm also seeing Madonna in just over a week in San Francisco). I, too, was dissapointed that the tea (dish, gossip, dirt, Let's have a Kiki) reference was as bland as SAGETEA. UGH.
Unusual that I evidently liked the puzzle less than Rex. Just a big let down those partial homophones, and I also didn't get how DIC (dick?) fit. Dick can mean "nothing", as in "you don't know dick". I thought there was another meaning "gossip" that them there youngsters are using lately.
Pretty funny typeover: "Powerlifter's helper" was STEROID before SPOTTER. And COME IN before GO ON IN. And "Its panhandle abuts BC" had to be ALASKA, but no it's IDAHO. I didn't even realize Idaho has a panhandle? And we only abut the tippy top part. Not nearly as geometrically distinct as Florida, Texas, or Alaska (I have been to all three).
[Spelling Bee: Sat currently -1 (again!); will try to get it tomorrow.]
Ooh-ooh, I heard it through the grapevine And I'm just about to lose my mind
I'm mostly about to lose my mind over the editorial decision to draw in a vine so that the puzzle could, if necessary, be reprinted in the Weekly Reader. Without the graphics, this puzzle would have been fairly easy. With the graphics? It makes shooting fish in a barrel seem like a test of skill.
@rex "awkward, DIC-ish quality that DIC has" 😅 my sentiments exactly. SCene before SCRIM held up that section far TOO long. Got HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE off the H and the G from SNUG and was surprised when it fit, then realized I was looking at a grapevine, duh. Yes, easy, but also fun!
Brilliant, fun puzzle in every way. That this wasn't just wine grapes made it even more interesting. Not a big Sunday fan, usually find them to be tedious, but Sid Sivakumar's puzzles always have a beautiful flow. No junk.
We've seen Yoink before so that was fair. Liked Pot Roasts, Stair Step, and Go On In. Nice homey stuff.
Missed opportunity here to share Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through The Grape Vine."
I agree that DIC is weird if it’s supposed be heard as “dish,” but otherwise I thought this was fun. Easy, yes, but still a good romp. I don’t have a problem at all with the vine. It’s a grape vine, after all. And it contains grapes. QED
I do the puzzles on paper, with a pencil. That vine down the middle made the letters in those squares illegible no matter how I tried to overcome that. So every time one was involved I had to refer to another word to remember what letter is in that square. Please, never do anything like that again.
Overall, this puzzle and I never got on the same wavelength and I finally settled for a DNF to de-mystify a bunch of answers.
My heart sank when I read the byline. Sid is a great constructor, but he and I are simply not on the same wavelength (Hi, @anon 6:03). Until today. I found this puzzle approachable and logical. Easy, even. This is good, because my solving time was limited.
A major milestone for me: I remembered that the great Ms. Raisman (27A) is ALY, not ALi!
My little lifter (84D) was an ant before it was a TEE.
AIn't before AIDS for ACT UP at 90A (fixed before I encountered AIN'T SO at 60A). It's probably good that I don't remember it because that means it's not often seen these days.
As OFL predicted, DOLL PARTS (78D) was a total WOE for this "too old"-ster.
I agree with a couple of commenters that TOCK doesn’t sound the same as “talk.” I’m a native Midwesterner, and to me talk is pronounced a bit like “tawk.” Not to a Brooklyn level, but closer to that than “tock.” I’m thinking of regional accents and the only on where it sounds like “tock” to me is New England.
I didn’t get the dick/dish distinction until I read Rex. So that was a second strike against the theme until I saw that “dick” is not some synonym for gossip that I’ve never heard of. And I agree with others that the green vine, though pretty, made it way too easy to guess the long theme answers.
@Okananager, that part of Idaho does not seem like a panhandle to me - I would call it the Idaho stovepipe. The only one that really looks like a panhandle to me is Oklahoma’s because the whole state looks like a pan with a handle. But I’ll live with Alaska and Florida having panhandles because they are long and thin. Texas does not have a panhandle.
I think the big guy’s “mess” descriptor nails it. The overall theme is pretty neat and the effort noble but it never came together for me. We get the typical deep nuance of Sid’s wordplay and knowledge - once you buy into his voice it goes pretty quickly.
I think the second EN SUITE of the week - side eye to the cross with ENTRUST. Liked the GRAPEVINE revealer and grapes as a standalone. The overall fill is pretty clean for the oversized grid - SAND SHARK, YELLOW SEA, FLIRTER, RADIANS are all top notch. Some rough ICK and DOO in the center there forced by the trick.
Conceptually strong Sunday just not fully developed. Cold this morning - my wife is making a POT ROAST for the Islander game later so all will be right.
Personally, I would have gone with Creedence Clearwater Revival for Heard it through the Grape Vine.
I didn't hate the puzzle, but it just kind of sat there. I don't think I smiled at any clue or answer. IS IT NOT, ACTS MAD, AINT SO, FLIRTER, GROOMERS ... these just aren't much fun to enter. Plus homophones are always a bad theme choice due to regional accents.
Oh! I smiled seeing Hole in the clue for 78D. Their (later) album Celebrity Skin is one of the all-time great albums.
After seeing Sid's name, I came into this puzzle with a burst of happiness, because there’s a bubbly element to his puzzles, always, something in them makes me, for the moment, very glad to be alive.
I also had a scintilla of “Better bear down”, because he can be Sid Vicious, purveyer of brilliant but thorny cluing that sets the table for a serious solving effort … that always turns out to be worth it.
But Sid has range, and today the fill-in was breezy, and the experience more like tubing down the river rather than running the rapids. What a lovely conceit, having to sound out in my head synonyms for gossip, thus hearing them, as they intersect with the tumbling grapevine. Simple and sweet – more Sid bubbliness.
I liked the O-clump in the southeast, highlighted by OOO, not to mention the eight double-O’s in the grid, recalling Friday’s double-O fest. I liked seeing the abutting Greek letters ETA and DELTAs, as well as the English letters TEE and BEEs.
And once again, I savored the air of Sid-fervescence that surrounded me as I solved, and stayed with me even afterward. Thank you so much for this, sir!
Enjoyed it much more than Rex did. Agree that the illustrated grapevine was an unnecessary embellishment and made the whole process much easier than it needed to be.
Agree with Rex on Very Easy. Hole and DOLL PARTS meant nothing to me (too old!), but it took no effort to get. As the author said, with the theme elements so tightly packed in the middle, it played like a themeless. I couldn’t figure out the shaded sounds (especially DIC) till Rex explained it. Nice clever touch though it had nothing to do with my solve.
Got the theme pretty early but for the life of me couldn't figure out what DIC had to do with gossip until I came here. Worse, I couldn't figure out TOCK. That one should have been obvious.
Welcome back, RP - not a moment too soon. The subs were all fine, but I missed my daily dose of grumpiness. (The late Steve Post used to run a Crabbiest New Yorker contest.)
If I may bring us back in time (to yesterday), I understand and agree with the criticism that a pangram impedes the constructor for no real benefit. But I thought yesterday's grid was pretty sharp, despite the double pangram. Do you have a word or two to say about that, RP?
On today's puzzle -- I thought the tock/talk and dic/dish issues fall within "close enough for crosswords."
Have to get my head out of the gutter -- I had BOINK before YOINK. D'oh!
In my accent they don’t (NY metro area), but in most US accents I believe they rhyme. (I have the same issue with Choco Tacos, which don’t rhyme for me). Usually I think puzzles are too NYC-centric! Between a TOCK that doesn’t rhyme and a DIC, I didn’t get that part of the puzzle till I came here.
I came close but couldn’t quite close it out - I drew a total blank on YELLOW SEA, never heard of DOLL PARTS and couldn’t get enough crosses to parse together OSPREYS (it also didn’t help that I don’t know if Loki is a NORSE god, a suburb of Oslo, or something they might eat there for dessert).
I thought we were back in Hobbit territory (or maybe GoT) when I saw the Great Ziggurat of Ur - it turns out it is actually a real place - I guess it’s a place, I didn’t research it that much - it might just be a statue or a monument or something.
Anyway, nice to have a puzzle that’s a little less cryptic (and thus more accessible to mid-level solvers) occasionally, even though some may find it too easy for their liking. So I’ll give it an enthusiastic thumbs up.
* Hey! This is National Drink Wine Day! How apt. * It’s also World Whale Day (sorry SAND SHARK, you have to wait till July for your day.) * And, oddly, Cow Milked While Flying in an Airplane Day. Here’s the story: “This unusual holiday dates back to 1930, when a farmer and his cow took a flight in a Ford Trimotor plane. The farmer was able to successfully milk the cow mid-flight, and thus this unique tradition was born. Today, it serves as a reminder of just how far we've come in terms of transportation and farming techniques.” MOO.
I took one look at the greenery-bedecked grid and said out loud to my husband “Jack and the Beanstalk”? Can they really make a sustainable Sunday theme out of Jack and the Beanstalk”?” Well, fee fie fo fum, they didn’t. The italicized down clues made it obvious immediately that we were looking at a GRAPEVINE. I got the GRAPE types and the revealer with no problem, but my understanding of the theme sputtered to a halt at that point. I was solving last night in color-inversion mode and couldn’t see the shaded squares, so the whole ROOMER-TOK-DIC thing passed me by till I came here. I like it! I thought a further aspect of the theme was that in having the gossip synonyms misspelled, there was a suggestion of how gossip can distort the facts/truth of whatever’s being whispered about.
I agree that the puzzle was easy for the most part, although at the end I got stupidly hung up in the SE corner. I’m also in the wrong demographic for DOLL PARTS, but I managed it with crosses. No, the problem was that I thought [Putting together] was going to end with LINk which, incidentally, gave me SAkE TEA for [Hot herbal brew]. (I thought, “SAkE TEA, really? That must add a whole new unlooked-for dimension to the Japanese tea ceremony.”) Anyway, I temporarily forgot about OOO for Out Of Office, so I was left with PO_LINk for [Putting together]. Huh? I tried POdLINk, POpLINk and POwLINk – you know, short for “POwer LINk” – until I finally spoke to myself sharply and told myself that I had to completely rethink this word. Ah, POOLING. And the demure SAGE TEA.
[Spelling Bee: Fri 0, Sat -1. Yesterday I missed this peculiar 6er. I wonder if it’s what held you up, @okanaganer. In the past three days, three words have fallen out of SB-acceptability: MONOTONIC, DACE and BOURG. They’re dropping like flies.]
@Tony Doris: Ditto. A pretty fast, clean solve except for ALb / bOINK. Grr. And thanks, Rex, for Gladys Knight, whose version is for me the definitive “Grapevine.” That sax solo at the bridge, with the PIPs singing “Go, I gotta go . . .”!
Unfamiliar with ATTAR, but Wikipedia lists iTTAR as an alternative spelling. This would turn ACE into iCE, a reasonable answer for “delivery that can’t be returned” —it would melt.
As mentioned by @Barbara S., my print version had a lovely green vine going down the middle, which did make things harder to see, but not much. The shaded areas didn't mean much to me, as after trying to make DIC and TOCK into actual other things I gave up. Oh well.
Fun fact-an elementary (I think) student just introduced a motion to the NH House that the state capitol be pronounced Con-kerd and not Con-chord. This is a solution in search of a problem, I fear.
Today I learned that there is a band called Hole and that they have a song called DOLLPARTS. OK.
OSPREYS may be "sea hawks" but I have seen them dive-bombing our lake here in NH and coming up with fish. Pretty amazing to watch. I think of "sea hawks" as being native to Seattle.
And today's Oldie But Goodie has to be ATTAR. Used to be a regular customer, not so much any more.
Perfectly fine effort, SS. Solid Sunday but you lost me on the homophones. Thanks for a reasonable amount of fun.
This puzzle tries to do too much and, as a result, does nothing well. The grapevine graphic was unnecessarily distracting; it only made the text difficult to read. The solve wasn’t difficult but the payoff hardly worth it.
Now what om earth were those strange curly green things cascading down my puzzle, beginning at 8D? All I could think of was IVY. Was this going to be a puzzle about the Ivy League?
But once I had HEARD THR?U??, I immediately went to write in THE GRAPEVINE in a still pristine section of the grid. So that curly green thing was a grapevine, not ivy.
At that point I already had MERLOT but not the other grapes. So getting the revealer would make everything easier. And I didn't find the puzzle all that easy.
Now I'm finished. And I don't understand the gray squares. "I am NOT reading the blog until I have figured out the gray squares all by myself" I declared virtuously.
Aha! It's what we're hearing through the grapevine -- and not very well. ROOMER/RUMOR. TOCK/TALK (not in NYC, we wouldn't!) DERT/DIRT. NEUS/NEWS.
DIC/DICK??? DIC/DICE??? What on earth?
I come here. Aha. I see IC now! DIC/DISH. As in "judicious".
As I said, not that easy a Sunday-- at least not for me. But very playful and a lot of fun. I had a good time.
Hey All! Pretty ambitious Theme, here. You got your GRAPEVINE running through the Center of the puz (in the Downs, because GRAPEVINES grow vertically from the ground, twould've been silly in an Across), plus homophones for "gossip" running THROUGH said GRAPEVINE, with those having to have letters in common with the GRAPE varieties in the "VINE", Plus having to have words that make the "Inside" words have the same sound as needed (ergo DIC is in JUDICIOUS to have it's pronunciation be Dish, not Dick), and on top of All That (which, by itself, is quite the accomplishment), Sid still put a lengthy Revealer in. And Then, you need to get real fill around all that, which is a bear. Hats off Sid, you probably need to wear one now until your hair grows back!
Had a one-letter DNF. Argh! Was unsure about a few things, so there was no way I was going to try to search for wrongness on a SunSizedPuz. Turned out to be RADIANt/ARtE. Curses! Foiled by an ARSE!
Speaking of ArSEs, anyone put in BUTTOCKS first for PATOOTIE?
Great construction, fun to solve, didn't take forever. Marks of a good SunPuz. I give it an OOO rating. 😁
I struggled in the SE because I’ve only ever heard it as SAWWOOD. I knew I had something off there but never even considered that one for a very long time. Is SAWLOGS a thing for you?
I am not at all good at end of week puzzles, however, the DIC appears to be the phonetic sound within the word judicious which is a "dish" sound, no? PBD
Since Sid Sivakumar is in St. Louis, can I then conclude that people say "TALK" in St. Louis in the same way they do in Boston? Otherwise, there is no TOC and TALK rhyme that I know of from any neighborhood, especially here in NU YAWK.
I didn't use the NYT format to solve so I had to go over to it and hit reveal after solving in order to see the vine which was a nice touch but not necessary for the solve.
With the L in place, I initially put in eLmo at 40A but quickly decided Elmo wasn't a comedic figure. On the other hand, is Ali G? I don't find him amusing.
19A got me good - I put in CARton because I was thinking of sea shipping, not port wine. The crosses didn't help much. I can't see Best Melodic ___ Performance without thinking it must be meant ironically. (Full disclosure, I cordially dislike RAP.)
Didn't know ALY or YOINK (Doink? Yes. Boink? Sure. YOINK? Not so much. But I guessed it, only to be undone by POEt instead of POEM for 9A, Stressful Work. Could've cleared it up with closer examination of 12D Counterparts of eves, (MORNS, not tORNS), but like RooMonster, chose not to spend the time needed to search out the glitch.
This worked well, I think, for a Sunday puzzle. TOC for talk bothered me more than DIC for dish, although Rex's point on the latter is well taken.
No mention here of the Grape Pies of the Fingerlakes region? The missus and I missed a turn heading back from RIT and passed the most delightful market along one of the lakes. We bought a delicious grape pie which I loved and the wifey didn’t. Still a point of contention.
@Rony Vardi – SAGE TEA has been a NYTimes puzzle answer on 11 occasions since 1994. It was also in a Diagramless puzzle. It's for when you really want SACAGAWEA to be in your puzzle but you can't make it fit.
I thought it was clever and cute, and, I guess, being a fan of grid art already predisposed me to like the puzzle. I have to give myself a conceptual DNF, though, as I didn't understand what kind of gossip TOCK could be (and I see I'm not alone there) - no amount of brain-racking could get me to "talk," which for me rhymes with "hawk." But I did get - and enjoyed - how I DIC is heard through the grapevine as "dish." Overall, an enjoyable romp.
Great Sunday puzzle, easy medium. Only nit is DIC in the middle - I thought DICI would have been more accurate and a bit clever. But superbly put-together and fun, as I expected when I saw the name of the constructor.
@Ken Freeland (10:31) -- Think tennis. An ace is a service delivery that can't be returned.
And while Lewis keeps tabs on these things a lot better than I do, I think this particular clue for ACE has been used many times in the past. Perhaps even by me:)
This was a boringly easy solve. Sunday puzzles at their worst are just overgrown early week puzzles and that's what you have here. The only brief moment of drama was a bit of hesitation to put in the Y of ALY and YOINK.
The one other space that was a bit perplexing was ALI_. I've only learned about ALIG through solving. Whatever the cross was for the G wasn't an issue so this time ALIG went in without my even noticing.
SB: That 6 letter word from yesterday's list that is stumping people is familiar to me because there's an annual fest for it in a small town called Utica in Illinois. I know of it only because it's across the river from Starved Rock State Park. Sounds nasty and I've never tried it. Yesterday it was still my final word.
It depends on your regional accent. They rhyme if you have the cot/caught merger, and don’t rhyme if you don’t have it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot–caught_merger
Addendum to my 11:11 post – the Miracles did record "Grapevine" before any other Motown artist did, but I think the linked recording may be a re-do, at least of the vocals, after the Gladys Knight and possibly also the Marvin Gaye versions became hits. I'd heard the Miracles' original version before, and I don't remember it sounding quite so polished. But, at present I can't find a link to any other version by them.
Boink before Yoink, Saw wood before Saw Logs. Didn’t mind that the “vines“ were in a straight line, liked that the shaded squares were “through the grapevine(s), but definitely agree that DIC was a dicey theme answer.
I haven't liked the puzzles this past week, but I did like today's (hooray for me). When I saw Sid's name, I thought no way, but I was pleasantly surprised. Although I had Sandpiper for SANDSHARK & I can never remember ALIG which led to problems with GO ON IN (I couldn't give up come on in), I was relieved to find myself liking it a lot.
A sound effort for Sid today & some video clips I didn’t mind hearing again. Just did the middle vine & theme reveal before turning back to my pillow for a morning nap 😴
Cute puztheme, in a weird sense. M&A luvs weird stuff like this, with a lot goin on. Caught on to most of what the theme was up to, pretty fast. Helped a bit with the solvequest nanoseconds. Only downside was tryin to read what I'd put into squares where that there gnarly vine was windin through, coverin em up. Almost needed to fill in them squares with magic marker.
staff weeject pick: DIC. No problemo, there… DIC as in Dishionary. har honrable mentions to: OOO. MOO. DOO. TOO. [And partials OOL & OOT.]
some fave stuff: PATOOTIE. INNOCENCE. SANDSHARK. JUDISHIOUS. BEES clue [one of very few ?-marker clues, btw]. no-knows: HENNA. DOLLPARTS song. Also, I guess OOO, as clued. Generally, a pretty smooth ride, tho.
Thanx, Mr. Sivakumar dude. Were U high on conshord grape vino, for maybe jush a little while during the constructioneerin?
Haven't read all the comments yet but I shall once I return from delivering my bodacious deviled eggs to the hungry. I had to comment today because I've not been doing Sundays at all. This one intrigued. I saw the doodles going down my puzzle on paper and immediately thought oooooh looks a something or other....MERLOT! AHA! I bet that's a GRAPE VINE. Now I'm singing the song . I thought this was Tre Clever. The first Sunday I've enjoyed in ages. I'm gad I did it last night. I wrote in the shaded words. I understood the ROOMER/Rumor sound change. Had trouble wondering what it has to do with a grape vine. OH, wait...It's The Inside Scoop! So Clever....Really! The only problem I had was the sound change for DIC. Who dat? I know a few of them and they reside around the DC area. DISH. Is that you? I have to run now but I'll be back.
After several days of good, engaging puzzles, we get this? The shaded "words" are to gossip as grapes are to vines? Or. Um. IS IT NOT a HEAP of ICKy DOOdoo? GI is Government Issue (I think), "in brief". RIO is RIO de Janiero, for short. OP is OPeration, "for short". OP and GI are thus clued, so why not RIO? Same question for RASTA, which RASTAFARIAN, for short. Same case could be made for ELS. "El" is often used, but the CTA's official name for the service is simply the "L". And what about SNAFU, which is a pretty good title for this theme. There are some positives, too. I particularly like SAND SHARK and the theatrical pair, SCRIM and ENTER.
"Non-returnable serve" or to muck it up a bit " non-returnable service" would be fair clues. Who call tennis serves "deliveries?" No one that I know...
If you try hard enough you can find a panhandle in every state (Florida in fact is just two panhandles, no pan.) Listen to the podcast Small Town Murder from the beginning and you'll learn to appreciate panhandles and panhandle behavior.
@Barbara S... I just gave up on yd SB and yes I missed the same word. It looks vaguely familiar... yes I see I missed it on Jan 26 last year, but I did get BOURG!
Yeah, the phrase is I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPE VINE. I think it still would work without the "I" but not without the essential "IT".
The Gladys Knight & The Pips version sounded to me like a 33 1/3 RPM vinyl LP played at 45 RPM. Like @kitshef's 7:16, my favorite version is the one by John Fogerty and Credence Clearwater Revival.
I always thought that 68D OSPREYS were eagles, not hawks as clued. Wiki tells me they are neither but rather a class of their own and that they exist on every continent except Antarctica. Maybe their opposable pair of talons makes them so successful. Here's 32 second video of an osprey diving and catching a fish. Notice the position of the talons right before it hits the water.
I liked this. I generally like Sid's puzzles. This puzzle's got several layers of complexity (as do wines... so would say our oenophile nephew Louis!). I found this fun and breezy, like a Beaujolais Nouveau!
"A good serve occurs when a legally delivered ball lands in the cross-court service box or on any line bounding it without touching anything in flight. Once a good serve is hit, the play begins."
As someone who's watched more than a little tennis and played quite a bit more tennis over the years, I can tell you that the term "service delivery" is used all the time. I've found it for you in print above, but I'm too lazy to search for it in audio commentary. You can probably track it down on your own if you look. Easiest place to find it would likely be a how-to video on serving from a tennis instructor. In tennis tournament voice-over, I'd probably start with commentator Mary Carillo.
Kind of partial to the Roger Troutman/Zapp version of Heard it through the Grapevine. Funk and Gospel take with the creative talkbox use. And after he goes off script for the last half of the track, it really captures the heartbreak.
Okanaganer I too was confused by DIC. Rex kindly explained it The constructor maybe was getting desperate there to get it through the grapevine. As a nerdy child I was fascinated by the shape of the 50 states, which unlike much of the world has rectangular shapes on a map. Always seemed to me that Idaho’s rectangular extension looked more like a panhandle than Alaska’s. However, I also took a while to think of Idaho. Also Steroid before SPOTTER. Thought it was tougher than Rex did.
Tony Doris FWIW YOINK was in the puzzle not long ago. I remembered it from that occasion. I never heard it otherwise. NOT a natick A significant percentage of the population at least knows the term. So by definition it isn’t obscure. Raisman a well known Olympian has been in the puzzle many times. Not obscure. If I don’t know 2 crossing words , most times I don’t call that a natick. They have to be obscure to most people. Rex invented the word natick and defined it. 2 obscure names crossing at an uninferable letter. As in Natick crossing NC Wyeth.
Ken Freeland Who says crossword clues are definitions. A crossword is a puzzle after all. Delivery that can’t be returned is a fine hint for the answer ACE. Service that can’t be returned is a Monday level clue, so it couldn’t be used today You do have a point that i is valid. Disagree that Aly / Yoink is in any way a natick. Both are not obscure, even if we don’t know either
Anoa Bob The clue for 13 & 61 down is asking for an adjective phrase not the whole expression. “Like some gossip”> heard through the grapevine I thought the clue and answer were okay
Someone above made a point that homophones relying on regional accents should be avoided. It’s a good point. But despite having an accent with many unusual features, (when I am out of state people guess Boston or New York but it’s Rhode Island) I usually get the answer anyway. Tock was no problem. DIC was a problem though! Intrigued by the problem at ACE ATTAR. Several above said iTTAR is valid and iCE would be a good answer also. Too lazy to look it up. I did try ice first but I only heard of attar so in went the A. I am sure the issue didn’t cross the constructor’s mind (or the editors’). Love the “days” Barbara S discovers. Knew it was her post even before I looked at the name. Especially funny today.
@okanaganer On my Desktop NYT App, there is a part on the right above the puzzle itself where they have Stats, and a few other things I can't remember right now! (Of course!)
You're too busy getting QB all the time to notice! 😜😂
Very late getting to the puzzle today, but I had a fun solve despite all the little junk. With so much theme material, it's inevitable. Plenty of silliness to keep me engaged.
I read all the comments just now and I am hoping we never see a day on Earth when our fate rests on TOCK rhyming with TALK. That one seems easy to grok (grawk) even if you live in Boston. DIC on the other hand was beyond my ability to see.
Never heard of a SCRIM. Really tried to believe LAND SHARKS exist.
OTOE -> ERIE -> CREE {sigh}.
Got me good on [Windy part of a kite].
Tee-Hee: ARSE and PATOOTIE wrapped up with a green bow today. I turned the bow off to do the puzzle. But you don't untoggle two rambunctious rumps, do you?
Uniclues:
1 Phone software used to make newer ewers. 2 Enmeshes mutt manicurist money. 3 Fill the fridge in the garage with Heineken. 4 Nobody's coming to re-enbrown you. 5 Loses the attitude. 6 Raise taxes. 7 "Whose a good wine maker? You're a good wine maker!" e.g. 8 Costal regions terrorized by the family Odontaspididae.
1 CARAFE INNOCENCE APP (~) 2 ENTAILS GROOMER'S DIME 3 OVER STOCK BIER 4 HENNA RESCUE OP AIN'T SO (~) 5 RIDS UNDERTONES 6 AIDE REVENUES POOLING 7 SPEAK TO THE GRAPEVINE 8 SAND SHARK JARS DELTAS
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: All-hat no-horse vibe for your feet. RIDING BOOTS AURA.
I’m reading this comment as rather homophobic and transphobic. Not sure if it’s meant that way, but it has the ring. I’m a big Arrested Development fan, but I think many of the Tobias jokes have aged like milk.
p.s. As I kinda hinted at earlier, I think the explanation for DIC is that they were pronouncin it the same way it's pronounced in its home word of juDICious, which is with that there "dish" sound. Just sayin.
I had to turn off overlays in the app for this one. I couldn't see the letters underneath the vine. Without the vine drawn on it would've been something kind of fun to figure out--with the vine it just felt on the nose, and it actively obscured the puzzle.
Same here. Got hung up on that clue because I assumed the "delivery that couldn't be returned" was a reference to the days when ice was delivered to homes, and it "couldn't be returned" because it, well, melts. What made things even worse is "ittar" is also an alternate spelling for that perfume ingredient.
Yes, I too am still bothered by “TOCK” for “talk”. I am from the Midwest, and we say talk, with the L clearly pronounced. OversTOCK does not rhyme with OversTALK.
We ARE guilty of pronouncing an “r” in “wash”, as in “Warshington”, D.C. I’m sorry, I don’t know why we do. Living in NYC for 40 years and I still have to catch myself to not add an “r” to “wash”!
I’m also from the Midwest, and I’ve never heard anyone pronunciation the L in TALK, though it still doesn’t sound like TOCK here. I have however heard plenty of Bostonians say things like “pock the cah in the yahd and we’ll tock about it later.
I hate 99% of cover songs, but "HEARD [IT] THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE" is such a tremendous tune that I like all three versions, ranked, IMO, 1) Marvin Gaye, 2) Gladys Knight & the PIPs, 3) CCR.
I TOO had trouble with -DIC- but the explanation makes sense. It's pretty stretchy, but I'll buy it.
Relatively easy to do, because of getting that long title, which filled in the two longest downs. Some resistance in the SE, but that was all. (Always heard "patoot" instead of the drawn-out PATOOTIE.) And of course, didn't know the Hole thing. There really was a group called Hole? ICK.
Some fill ICKiness, but no more than expected with all those theme elements. A construction marvel. Birdie.
That was rather easy. Noticed: IPLANTO SPEAKTO AKINTO. ROOMER has it ALY Raisman HID nothing for the ESPN Body Issue. Disappointing wordle par after a BBGGG start.
@anon 12:51 who will never see this - adding the r to wash is not a Midwest thing. It's a speech defect for a minority of folks that are unable to get it out correctly.
Sometimes "easy," ok, often easy. Then came an unknown part. And that little vine growing down the middle drove me nuts. Must have been my copy, but...
Really sad news this morning on NPR that Will S. had a stroke on 2/4. He's recovering but has not done the Sunday puzzle on air for a few weeks.
I can't figure out for the life of me why "poem" is the answer for "stressful work." Somebody please enlighten me? This is Allison, by the way. I'm too challenged to make a name appear for myself. Thank you!
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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I think it’s in terrible taster, it at the very least unfortunate, to have Aly Raisman, an outspoken hero of sexual assault survivors right above the word “groomers.” (See, Larry Nassar)
I immediately knew DOLLPARTS (I'm also seeing Madonna in just over a week in San Francisco). I, too, was dissapointed that the tea (dish, gossip, dirt, Let's have a Kiki) reference was as bland as SAGETEA. UGH.
Unusual that I evidently liked the puzzle less than Rex. Just a big let down those partial homophones, and I also didn't get how DIC (dick?) fit. Dick can mean "nothing", as in "you don't know dick". I thought there was another meaning "gossip" that them there youngsters are using lately.
Pretty funny typeover: "Powerlifter's helper" was STEROID before SPOTTER. And COME IN before GO ON IN. And "Its panhandle abuts BC" had to be ALASKA, but no it's IDAHO. I didn't even realize Idaho has a panhandle? And we only abut the tippy top part. Not nearly as geometrically distinct as Florida, Texas, or Alaska (I have been to all three).
[Spelling Bee: Sat currently -1 (again!); will try to get it tomorrow.]
Am I the only person who was bothered that “tock” and “talk” have distinctly different vowel sounds?
Ooh-ooh, I heard it through the grapevine
And I'm just about to lose my mind
I'm mostly about to lose my mind over the editorial decision to draw in a vine so that the puzzle could, if necessary, be reprinted in the Weekly Reader. Without the graphics, this puzzle would have been fairly easy. With the graphics? It makes shooting fish in a barrel seem like a test of skill.
DIC?
Easy. No real problems with this one, plus the GRAPE VINE depicted on the grid made the theme pretty obvious.
DOLL PARTS was a WOE because old. I’ll ask my gen X daughter if she’s heard it. i do know who Kurt and Courtney are.
Breezy Sunday, liked it.
“Tock” and “talk” are not homophones—at least not where I live.
Can someone please explain how a "little lifter" is TEE?
@rex "awkward, DIC-ish quality that DIC has" 😅 my sentiments exactly.
SCene before SCRIM held up that section far TOO long. Got HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE off the H and the G from SNUG and was surprised when it fit, then realized I was looking at a grapevine, duh.
Yes, easy, but also fun!
Brilliant, fun puzzle in every way. That this wasn't just wine grapes made it even more interesting. Not a big Sunday fan, usually find them to be tedious, but Sid Sivakumar's puzzles always have a beautiful flow. No junk.
We've seen Yoink before so that was fair. Liked Pot Roasts, Stair Step, and Go On In. Nice homey stuff.
Missed opportunity here to share Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through The Grape Vine."
I agree that DIC is weird if it’s supposed be heard as “dish,” but otherwise I thought this was fun. Easy, yes, but still a good romp. I don’t have a problem at all with the vine. It’s a grape vine, after all. And it contains grapes. QED
Do they?
It is for a golf ball.
I do the puzzles on paper, with a pencil. That vine down the middle made the letters in those squares illegible no matter how I tried to overcome that. So every time one was involved I had to refer to another word to remember what letter is in that square. Please, never do anything like that again.
Overall, this puzzle and I never got on the same wavelength and I finally settled for a DNF to de-mystify a bunch of answers.
My heart sank when I read the byline. Sid is a great constructor, but he and I are simply not on the same wavelength (Hi, @anon 6:03). Until today. I found this puzzle approachable and logical. Easy, even. This is good, because my solving time was limited.
A major milestone for me: I remembered that the great Ms. Raisman (27A) is ALY, not ALi!
My little lifter (84D) was an ant before it was a TEE.
AIn't before AIDS for ACT UP at 90A (fixed before I encountered AIN'T SO at 60A). It's probably good that I don't remember it because that means it's not often seen these days.
As OFL predicted, DOLL PARTS (78D) was a total WOE for this "too old"-ster.
Was so sure the ‘delivery that couldn’t be returned’ was Ice that it completely stifled my finish. Can someone explain Ace here?
I agree with a couple of commenters that TOCK doesn’t sound the same as “talk.” I’m a native Midwesterner, and to me talk is pronounced a bit like “tawk.” Not to a Brooklyn level, but closer to that than “tock.” I’m thinking of regional accents and the only on where it sounds like “tock” to me is New England.
I didn’t get the dick/dish distinction until I read Rex. So that was a second strike against the theme until I saw that “dick” is not some synonym for gossip that I’ve never heard of. And I agree with others that the green vine, though pretty, made it way too easy to guess the long theme answers.
@Okananager, that part of Idaho does not seem like a panhandle to me - I would call it the Idaho stovepipe. The only one that really looks like a panhandle to me is Oklahoma’s because the whole state looks like a pan with a handle. But I’ll live with Alaska and Florida having panhandles because they are long and thin. Texas does not have a panhandle.
Tennis
I chose Gladys Knight — nothing “missed” about it 😉 ~RP
Never heard of Raisman or Yoink, so that was a tough intersection in downtown Natick for me.
I think the big guy’s “mess” descriptor nails it. The overall theme is pretty neat and the effort noble but it never came together for me. We get the typical deep nuance of Sid’s wordplay and knowledge - once you buy into his voice it goes pretty quickly.
Karen Peris
I think the second EN SUITE of the week - side eye to the cross with ENTRUST. Liked the GRAPEVINE revealer and grapes as a standalone. The overall fill is pretty clean for the oversized grid - SAND SHARK, YELLOW SEA, FLIRTER, RADIANS are all top notch. Some rough ICK and DOO in the center there forced by the trick.
Conceptually strong Sunday just not fully developed. Cold this morning - my wife is making a POT ROAST for the Islander game later so all will be right.
The UNDERTONES
Personally, I would have gone with Creedence Clearwater Revival for Heard it through the Grape Vine.
I didn't hate the puzzle, but it just kind of sat there. I don't think I smiled at any clue or answer. IS IT NOT, ACTS MAD, AINT SO, FLIRTER, GROOMERS ... these just aren't much fun to enter. Plus homophones are always a bad theme choice due to regional accents.
Oh! I smiled seeing Hole in the clue for 78D. Their (later) album Celebrity Skin is one of the all-time great albums.
Yes, they do. Completely different
Put me in the tock does not sound like talk category. Just like rock doesn’t rhyme with walk.
After seeing Sid's name, I came into this puzzle with a burst of happiness, because there’s a bubbly element to his puzzles, always, something in them makes me, for the moment, very glad to be alive.
I also had a scintilla of “Better bear down”, because he can be Sid Vicious, purveyer of brilliant but thorny cluing that sets the table for a serious solving effort … that always turns out to be worth it.
But Sid has range, and today the fill-in was breezy, and the experience more like tubing down the river rather than running the rapids. What a lovely conceit, having to sound out in my head synonyms for gossip, thus hearing them, as they intersect with the tumbling grapevine. Simple and sweet – more Sid bubbliness.
I liked the O-clump in the southeast, highlighted by OOO, not to mention the eight double-O’s in the grid, recalling Friday’s double-O fest. I liked seeing the abutting Greek letters ETA and DELTAs, as well as the English letters TEE and BEEs.
And once again, I savored the air of Sid-fervescence that surrounded me as I solved, and stayed with me even afterward. Thank you so much for this, sir!
In the Midwest they do
“wow, please god let me look half that good (as Madonna)”
“P.S. OK, I'm still stuck on dick”.
You’re sounding more and more like Tobias Funke
”You’ll be surprised at some of your phrasing”
And for those who wanted to see what Rex saw at the X (Excel Center in St. Paul), here ya go…
Madonna 2/13/24
As for the puzzle, agree the vine graphic was distracting in the APP. Can only imagine how hard it was to write around it in print.
Enjoyed it much more than Rex did. Agree that the illustrated grapevine was an unnecessary embellishment and made the whole process much easier than it needed to be.
Agree with Rex on Very Easy. Hole and DOLL PARTS meant nothing to me (too old!), but it took no effort to get. As the author said, with the theme elements so tightly packed in the middle, it played like a themeless. I couldn’t figure out the shaded sounds (especially DIC) till Rex explained it. Nice clever touch though it had nothing to do with my solve.
Got the theme pretty early but for the life of me couldn't figure out what DIC had to do with gossip until I came here. Worse, I couldn't figure out TOCK. That one should have been obvious.
Welcome back, RP - not a moment too soon. The subs were all fine, but I missed my daily dose of grumpiness. (The late Steve Post used to run a Crabbiest New Yorker contest.)
If I may bring us back in time (to yesterday), I understand and agree with the criticism that a pangram impedes the constructor for no real benefit. But I thought yesterday's grid was pretty sharp, despite the double pangram. Do you have a word or two to say about that, RP?
On today's puzzle -- I thought the tock/talk and dic/dish issues fall within "close enough for crosswords."
Have to get my head out of the gutter -- I had BOINK before YOINK. D'oh!
In my accent they don’t (NY metro area), but in most US accents I believe they rhyme. (I have the same issue with Choco Tacos, which don’t rhyme for me). Usually I think puzzles are too NYC-centric! Between a TOCK that doesn’t rhyme and a DIC, I didn’t get that part of the puzzle till I came here.
For the love of G-d, may the NYT never use the word PATOOTIE in a puzzle again.
tc
I came close but couldn’t quite close it out - I drew a total blank on YELLOW SEA, never heard of DOLL PARTS and couldn’t get enough crosses to parse together OSPREYS (it also didn’t help that I don’t know if Loki is a NORSE god, a suburb of Oslo, or something they might eat there for dessert).
I thought we were back in Hobbit territory (or maybe GoT) when I saw the Great Ziggurat of Ur - it turns out it is actually a real place - I guess it’s a place, I didn’t research it that much - it might just be a statue or a monument or something.
Anyway, nice to have a puzzle that’s a little less cryptic (and thus more accessible to mid-level solvers) occasionally, even though some may find it too easy for their liking. So I’ll give it an enthusiastic thumbs up.
* Hey! This is National Drink Wine Day! How apt.
* It’s also World Whale Day (sorry SAND SHARK, you have to wait till July for your day.)
* And, oddly, Cow Milked While Flying in an Airplane Day. Here’s the story: “This unusual holiday dates back to 1930, when a farmer and his cow took a flight in a Ford Trimotor plane. The farmer was able to successfully milk the cow mid-flight, and thus this unique tradition was born. Today, it serves as a reminder of just how far we've come in terms of transportation and farming techniques.” MOO.
I took one look at the greenery-bedecked grid and said out loud to my husband “Jack and the Beanstalk”? Can they really make a sustainable Sunday theme out of Jack and the Beanstalk”?” Well, fee fie fo fum, they didn’t. The italicized down clues made it obvious immediately that we were looking at a GRAPEVINE. I got the GRAPE types and the revealer with no problem, but my understanding of the theme sputtered to a halt at that point. I was solving last night in color-inversion mode and couldn’t see the shaded squares, so the whole ROOMER-TOK-DIC thing passed me by till I came here. I like it! I thought a further aspect of the theme was that in having the gossip synonyms misspelled, there was a suggestion of how gossip can distort the facts/truth of whatever’s being whispered about.
I agree that the puzzle was easy for the most part, although at the end I got stupidly hung up in the SE corner. I’m also in the wrong demographic for DOLL PARTS, but I managed it with crosses. No, the problem was that I thought [Putting together] was going to end with LINk which, incidentally, gave me SAkE TEA for [Hot herbal brew]. (I thought, “SAkE TEA, really? That must add a whole new unlooked-for dimension to the Japanese tea ceremony.”) Anyway, I temporarily forgot about OOO for Out Of Office, so I was left with PO_LINk for [Putting together]. Huh? I tried POdLINk, POpLINk and POwLINk – you know, short for “POwer LINk” – until I finally spoke to myself sharply and told myself that I had to completely rethink this word. Ah, POOLING. And the demure SAGE TEA.
[Spelling Bee: Fri 0, Sat -1. Yesterday I missed this peculiar 6er. I wonder if it’s what held you up, @okanaganer. In the past three days, three words have fallen out of SB-acceptability: MONOTONIC, DACE and BOURG. They’re dropping like flies.]
Me too
@Tony Doris: Ditto. A pretty fast, clean solve except for ALb / bOINK. Grr.
And thanks, Rex, for Gladys Knight, whose version is for me the definitive “Grapevine.” That sax solo at the bridge, with the PIPs singing “Go, I gotta go . . .”!
Unfamiliar with ATTAR, but Wikipedia lists iTTAR as an alternative spelling. This would turn ACE into iCE, a reasonable answer for “delivery that can’t be returned” —it would melt.
Is the reel part of the kite? Seems like the string and reel are attached to the kite, not part of it.
When I saw TOCK in the puzzle, I knew this debate would ensure in the comments. Ha.
DIC pronounced dish as in the across judicious
Hugely bothered...especially for a puzzle in the new YAWK times
Native Noo Yawker here, and the certainly do sound totally different. TALK is TAWK and TOCK is TOCK.
As mentioned by @Barbara S., my print version had a lovely green vine going down the middle, which did make things harder to see, but not much. The shaded areas didn't mean much to me, as after trying to make DIC and TOCK into actual other things I gave up. Oh well.
Fun fact-an elementary (I think) student just introduced a motion to the NH House that the state capitol be pronounced Con-kerd and not Con-chord. This is a solution in search of a problem, I fear.
Today I learned that there is a band called Hole and that they have a song called DOLLPARTS. OK.
OSPREYS may be "sea hawks" but I have seen them dive-bombing our lake here in NH and coming up with fish. Pretty amazing to watch. I think of "sea hawks" as being native to Seattle.
And today's Oldie But Goodie has to be ATTAR. Used to be a regular customer, not so much any more.
Perfectly fine effort, SS. Solid Sunday but you lost me on the homophones. Thanks for a reasonable amount of fun.
This puzzle tries to do too much and, as a result, does nothing well. The grapevine graphic was unnecessarily distracting; it only made the text difficult to read. The solve wasn’t difficult but the payoff hardly worth it.
Now what om earth were those strange curly green things cascading down my puzzle, beginning at 8D? All I could think of was IVY. Was this going to be a puzzle about the Ivy League?
But once I had HEARD THR?U??, I immediately went to write in THE GRAPEVINE in a still pristine section of the grid. So that curly green thing was a grapevine, not ivy.
At that point I already had MERLOT but not the other grapes. So getting the revealer would make everything easier. And I didn't find the puzzle all that easy.
Now I'm finished. And I don't understand the gray squares. "I am NOT reading the blog until I have figured out the gray squares all by myself" I declared virtuously.
Aha! It's what we're hearing through the grapevine -- and not very well. ROOMER/RUMOR. TOCK/TALK (not in NYC, we wouldn't!) DERT/DIRT. NEUS/NEWS.
DIC/DICK??? DIC/DICE??? What on earth?
I come here. Aha. I see IC now! DIC/DISH. As in "judicious".
As I said, not that easy a Sunday-- at least not for me. But very playful and a lot of fun. I had a good time.
Exactly! i works, and better IMHO.
SAGE TEA? Is that a thing?
Hey All!
Pretty ambitious Theme, here. You got your GRAPEVINE running through the Center of the puz (in the Downs, because GRAPEVINES grow vertically from the ground, twould've been silly in an Across), plus homophones for "gossip" running THROUGH said GRAPEVINE, with those having to have letters in common with the GRAPE varieties in the "VINE", Plus having to have words that make the "Inside" words have the same sound as needed (ergo DIC is in JUDICIOUS to have it's pronunciation be Dish, not Dick), and on top of All That (which, by itself, is quite the accomplishment), Sid still put a lengthy Revealer in. And Then, you need to get real fill around all that, which is a bear. Hats off Sid, you probably need to wear one now until your hair grows back!
Had a one-letter DNF. Argh! Was unsure about a few things, so there was no way I was going to try to search for wrongness on a SunSizedPuz. Turned out to be RADIANt/ARtE. Curses! Foiled by an ARSE!
Speaking of ArSEs, anyone put in BUTTOCKS first for PATOOTIE?
Great construction, fun to solve, didn't take forever. Marks of a good SunPuz. I give it an OOO rating. 😁
Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
attar can also be correctly spelled “ittar.” Both a and I work in that spot
Hated these almost homophones
I read "DIC" as "DISS" -- pronouncing the c soft. Then it works.
I struggled in the SE because I’ve only ever heard it as SAWWOOD. I knew I had something off there but never even considered that one for a very long time. Is SAWLOGS a thing for you?
I am not at all good at end of week puzzles, however, the DIC appears to be the phonetic sound within the word judicious which is a "dish" sound, no?
PBD
Pretty easy but had SAWWOOD before SAWLOGS?. Also CHAITEA before SAGETEA? I am a heavy tea drinker and never heard of this.
@Barbara S
What a silly word! I missed that one too, also getting to -1. Soooo close! It's not often I get that close, or get QB!
They changed the Stats page, take a look if you haven't. I'm sure your and @okanaganer QB numbers are high. Mine was single digit!
RooMonster Apparently Bee Adverse Guy
For me too.... completely spoiled the puzzle, as naticks always do. Sigh...
Wow, that makes TWO naticks, and it was my answer too, with similar logic. How is an ACE a non-returnable delivery??
Rex—I’m reading (and laughing with, crying over, savoring) David Copperfield now too and isn’t it simply The Best!
No, I put in "derriere"
Since Sid Sivakumar is in St. Louis, can I then conclude that people say "TALK" in St. Louis in the same way they do in Boston? Otherwise, there is no TOC and TALK rhyme that I know of from any neighborhood, especially here in NU YAWK.
Will, Will, Will, you've outdone yourself. DIC and ARSE in the same puzzle! You must be chortling in your joy. All the eighth-grade boys adore you.
Tock and Talk do not rhyme on the east coast. If this were an LA Times puzzle, then ok, but this clue is a fail for the NEW YORK Times....
Dic = Diss or dis.
I didn't use the NYT format to solve so I had to go over to it and hit reveal after solving in order to see the vine which was a nice touch but not necessary for the solve.
With the L in place, I initially put in eLmo at 40A but quickly decided Elmo wasn't a comedic figure. On the other hand, is Ali G? I don't find him amusing.
19A got me good - I put in CARton because I was thinking of sea shipping, not port wine. The crosses didn't help much. I can't see Best Melodic ___ Performance without thinking it must be meant ironically. (Full disclosure, I cordially dislike RAP.)
Thanks, Sid, I admire your concept here.
Didn't know ALY or YOINK (Doink? Yes. Boink? Sure. YOINK? Not so much. But I guessed it, only to be undone by POEt instead of POEM for 9A, Stressful Work. Could've cleared it up with closer examination of 12D Counterparts of eves, (MORNS, not tORNS), but like RooMonster, chose not to spend the time needed to search out the glitch.
This worked well, I think, for a Sunday puzzle. TOC for talk bothered me more than DIC for dish, although Rex's point on the latter is well taken.
No mention here of the Grape Pies of the Fingerlakes region? The missus and I missed a turn heading back from RIT and passed the most delightful market along one of the lakes. We bought a delicious grape pie which I loved and the wifey didn’t. Still a point of contention.
@Rony Vardi – SAGE TEA has been a NYTimes puzzle answer on 11 occasions since 1994. It was also in a Diagramless puzzle. It's for when you really want SACAGAWEA to be in your puzzle but you can't make it fit.
The original GRAPEVINE
I just listened to Doll Parts maybe two days ago, otherwise I'm not sure (even as a Gen-Xer) that I would have immediately got it
I thought it was clever and cute, and, I guess, being a fan of grid art already predisposed me to like the puzzle. I have to give myself a conceptual DNF, though, as I didn't understand what kind of gossip TOCK could be (and I see I'm not alone there) - no amount of brain-racking could get me to "talk," which for me rhymes with "hawk." But I did get - and enjoyed - how I DIC is heard through the grapevine as "dish." Overall, an enjoyable romp.
I didn’t get a grapevine and I use the NYT app. I feel cheated.
Great Sunday puzzle, easy medium. Only nit is DIC in the middle - I thought DICI would have been more accurate and a bit clever. But superbly put-together and fun, as I expected when I saw the name of the constructor.
I thought "dic" was for "diss" (as in "notice" until Rex explained all. Diss is not valid for "gossip" anyway.
@Ken Freeland (10:31) -- Think tennis. An ace is a service delivery that can't be returned.
And while Lewis keeps tabs on these things a lot better than I do, I think this particular clue for ACE has been used many times in the past. Perhaps even by me:)
This was a boringly easy solve. Sunday puzzles at their worst are just overgrown early week puzzles and that's what you have here. The only brief moment of drama was a bit of hesitation to put in the Y of ALY and YOINK.
The one other space that was a bit perplexing was ALI_. I've only learned about ALIG through solving. Whatever the cross was for the G wasn't an issue so this time ALIG went in without my even noticing.
SB: That 6 letter word from yesterday's list that is stumping people is familiar to me because there's an annual fest for it in a small town called Utica in Illinois. I know of it only because it's across the river from Starved Rock State Park. Sounds nasty and I've never tried it. Yesterday it was still my final word.
yd-0 QB21
It depends on your regional accent. They rhyme if you have the cot/caught merger, and don’t rhyme if you don’t have it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot–caught_merger
Addendum to my 11:11 post – the Miracles did record "Grapevine" before any other Motown artist did, but I think the linked recording may be a re-do, at least of the vocals, after the Gladys Knight and possibly also the Marvin Gaye versions became hits. I'd heard the Miracles' original version before, and I don't remember it sounding quite so polished. But, at present I can't find a link to any other version by them.
Boink before Yoink, Saw wood before Saw Logs. Didn’t mind that the “vines“ were in a straight line, liked that the shaded squares were “through the grapevine(s), but definitely agree that DIC was a dicey theme answer.
I haven't liked the puzzles this past week, but I did like today's (hooray for me). When I saw Sid's name, I thought no way, but I was pleasantly surprised. Although I had Sandpiper for SANDSHARK & I can never remember ALIG which led to problems with GO ON IN (I couldn't give up come on in), I was relieved to find myself liking it a lot.
I found the vines a bit distracting though.
All in all, nice to see you Sid!
And welcome back, Rex :)
Tennis serve
A sound effort for Sid today & some video clips I didn’t mind hearing again. Just did the middle vine & theme reveal before turning back to my pillow for a morning nap 😴
ICE in his veins.
ACE up his sleeve.
ARSE in the crowd.
38-D: Delivery that can’t be returned
I really wanted SANDSHARK to be LANDSHARK :)
Another one here who pronounces TOCK and “talk” differently.
Fairly easy for an old buzz like me .. but the grape vine graphic made it difficult to see the d—-spaces.. I do the puzzle in pencil..😂😂
Cute puztheme, in a weird sense. M&A luvs weird stuff like this, with a lot goin on.
Caught on to most of what the theme was up to, pretty fast. Helped a bit with the solvequest nanoseconds.
Only downside was tryin to read what I'd put into squares where that there gnarly vine was windin through, coverin em up. Almost needed to fill in them squares with magic marker.
staff weeject pick: DIC. No problemo, there… DIC as in Dishionary. har
honrable mentions to: OOO. MOO. DOO. TOO. [And partials OOL & OOT.]
some fave stuff: PATOOTIE. INNOCENCE. SANDSHARK. JUDISHIOUS. BEES clue [one of very few ?-marker clues, btw].
no-knows: HENNA. DOLLPARTS song. Also, I guess OOO, as clued. Generally, a pretty smooth ride, tho.
Thanx, Mr. Sivakumar dude. Were U high on conshord grape vino, for maybe jush a little while during the constructioneerin?
Masked & Anonymo8Us
**gruntz**
I’m from St. Louis and we definitely do not pronounce talk like tock.
I agree, all of the extra grid elements make it harder to see what’s going on and fill in the puzzle. I wish they would stop, honestly.
HATED every bit of this puzzle:
DIC? For “dish”?!
TOCK for “talk”?!
Plus a litany of poorly or weirdly clued answers.
Haven't read all the comments yet but I shall once I return from delivering my bodacious deviled eggs to the hungry.
I had to comment today because I've not been doing Sundays at all. This one intrigued. I saw the doodles going down my puzzle on paper and immediately thought oooooh looks a something or other....MERLOT! AHA! I bet that's a GRAPE VINE. Now I'm singing the song .
I thought this was Tre Clever. The first Sunday I've enjoyed in ages. I'm gad I did it last night.
I wrote in the shaded words. I understood the ROOMER/Rumor sound change. Had trouble wondering what it has to do with a grape vine. OH, wait...It's The Inside Scoop! So Clever....Really!
The only problem I had was the sound change for DIC. Who dat? I know a few of them and they reside around the DC area. DISH. Is that you?
I have to run now but I'll be back.
After several days of good, engaging puzzles, we get this? The shaded "words" are to gossip as grapes are to vines? Or. Um.
IS IT NOT a HEAP of ICKy DOOdoo?
GI is Government Issue (I think), "in brief". RIO is RIO de Janiero, for short. OP is OPeration, "for short". OP and GI are thus clued, so why not RIO? Same question for RASTA, which RASTAFARIAN, for short. Same case could be made for ELS. "El" is often used, but the CTA's official name for the service is simply the "L". And what about SNAFU, which is a pretty good title for this theme.
There are some positives, too. I particularly like SAND SHARK and the theatrical pair, SCRIM and ENTER.
Lift implies movement. A tee is a holder or supporter.
"Non-returnable serve" or to muck it up a bit " non-returnable service" would be fair clues. Who call tennis serves "deliveries?" No one that I know...
@Barbara S... you're right about SB words dropping like flies. I noticed MONOTONIC and DACE too!
@puzzlehoarder, congrats on your SB streak... one better than my record from last week.
@RooMonster... I didn't know there was a Stats page... where is it?
Yes, "serves" an ace, not "delivers" an ace
Gawd awful. My last root canal was more pleasant than this puzzle.
Haha - I agree talk rhymes with hawk (and tock).
If you try hard enough you can find a panhandle in every state (Florida in fact is just two panhandles, no pan.) Listen to the podcast Small Town Murder from the beginning and you'll learn to appreciate panhandles and panhandle behavior.
@Barbara S... I just gave up on yd SB and yes I missed the same word. It looks vaguely familiar... yes I see I missed it on Jan 26 last year, but I did get BOURG!
Yeah, the phrase is I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPE VINE. I think it still would work without the "I" but not without the essential "IT".
The Gladys Knight & The Pips version sounded to me like a 33 1/3 RPM vinyl LP played at 45 RPM. Like @kitshef's 7:16, my favorite version is the one by John Fogerty and Credence Clearwater Revival.
I always thought that 68D OSPREYS were eagles, not hawks as clued. Wiki tells me they are neither but rather a class of their own and that they exist on every continent except Antarctica. Maybe their opposable pair of talons makes them so successful. Here's 32 second video of an osprey diving and catching a fish. Notice the position of the talons right before it hits the water.
I liked this. I generally like Sid's puzzles. This puzzle's got several layers of complexity (as do wines... so would say our oenophile nephew Louis!). I found this fun and breezy, like a Beaujolais Nouveau!
Was it intentional?
@Ken Freeland (2:53) -- From Wikipedia:
"A good serve occurs when a legally delivered ball lands in the cross-court service box or on any line bounding it without touching anything in flight. Once a good serve is hit, the play begins."
As someone who's watched more than a little tennis and played quite a bit more tennis over the years, I can tell you that the term "service delivery" is used all the time. I've found it for you in print above, but I'm too lazy to search for it in audio commentary. You can probably track it down on your own if you look. Easiest place to find it would likely be a how-to video on serving from a tennis instructor. In tennis tournament voice-over, I'd probably start with commentator Mary Carillo.
Well I 'm an avid pickleballer myself and have never, EVER heard anyone use the term or instead of "serve."
@Roo.. never mind, the Stats page is staring right at me. I must be blind!
Kind of partial to the Roger Troutman/Zapp version of Heard it through the Grapevine.
Funk and Gospel take with the creative talkbox use. And after he goes off script for the last half of the track, it really captures the heartbreak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQ-D95VGFY&ab_channel=BrownPriderFunk
Okanaganer
I too was confused by DIC. Rex kindly explained it The constructor maybe was getting desperate there to get it through the grapevine.
As a nerdy child I was fascinated by the shape of the 50 states, which unlike much of the world has rectangular shapes on a map.
Always seemed to me that Idaho’s rectangular extension looked more like a panhandle than Alaska’s. However, I also took a while to think of Idaho.
Also Steroid before SPOTTER.
Thought it was tougher than Rex did.
How about the Pip reference, 9 down?
Tony Doris
FWIW
YOINK was in the puzzle not long ago. I remembered it from that occasion. I never heard it otherwise.
NOT a natick
A significant percentage of the population at least knows the term. So by definition it isn’t obscure. Raisman a well known Olympian has been in the puzzle many times. Not obscure.
If I don’t know 2 crossing words , most times I don’t call that a natick. They have to be obscure to most people.
Rex invented the word natick and defined it. 2 obscure names crossing at an uninferable letter.
As in Natick crossing NC Wyeth.
Ken Freeland
Who says crossword clues are definitions. A crossword is a puzzle after all. Delivery that can’t be returned is a fine hint for the answer ACE. Service that can’t be returned is a Monday level clue, so it couldn’t be used today
You do have a point that i is valid.
Disagree that Aly / Yoink is in any way a natick. Both are not obscure, even if we don’t know either
Anoa Bob
The clue for 13 & 61 down is asking for an adjective phrase not the whole expression. “Like some gossip”> heard through the grapevine
I thought the clue and answer were okay
Someone above made a point that homophones relying on regional accents should be avoided. It’s a good point. But despite having an accent with many unusual features, (when I am out of state people guess Boston or New York but it’s Rhode Island) I usually get the answer anyway. Tock was no problem.
DIC was a problem though!
Intrigued by the problem at ACE ATTAR.
Several above said iTTAR is valid and iCE would be a good answer also. Too lazy to look it up. I did try ice first but I only heard of attar so in went the A.
I am sure the issue didn’t cross the constructor’s mind (or the editors’).
Love the “days” Barbara S discovers. Knew it was her post even before I looked at the name. Especially funny today.
@okanaganer
On my Desktop NYT App, there is a part on the right above the puzzle itself where they have Stats, and a few other things I can't remember right now! (Of course!)
You're too busy getting QB all the time to notice! 😜😂
Roo
Very late getting to the puzzle today, but I had a fun solve despite all the little junk. With so much theme material, it's inevitable. Plenty of silliness to keep me engaged.
I read all the comments just now and I am hoping we never see a day on Earth when our fate rests on TOCK rhyming with TALK. That one seems easy to grok (grawk) even if you live in Boston. DIC on the other hand was beyond my ability to see.
Never heard of a SCRIM. Really tried to believe LAND SHARKS exist.
OTOE -> ERIE -> CREE {sigh}.
Got me good on [Windy part of a kite].
Tee-Hee: ARSE and PATOOTIE wrapped up with a green bow today. I turned the bow off to do the puzzle. But you don't untoggle two rambunctious rumps, do you?
Uniclues:
1 Phone software used to make newer ewers.
2 Enmeshes mutt manicurist money.
3 Fill the fridge in the garage with Heineken.
4 Nobody's coming to re-enbrown you.
5 Loses the attitude.
6 Raise taxes.
7 "Whose a good wine maker? You're a good wine maker!" e.g.
8 Costal regions terrorized by the family Odontaspididae.
1 CARAFE INNOCENCE APP (~)
2 ENTAILS GROOMER'S DIME
3 OVER STOCK BIER
4 HENNA RESCUE OP AIN'T SO (~)
5 RIDS UNDERTONES
6 AIDE REVENUES POOLING
7 SPEAK TO THE GRAPEVINE
8 SAND SHARK JARS DELTAS
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: All-hat no-horse vibe for your feet. RIDING BOOTS AURA.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m reading this comment as rather homophobic and transphobic. Not sure if it’s meant that way, but it has the ring. I’m a big Arrested Development fan, but I think many of the Tobias jokes have aged like milk.
The only solution to a naticky puzzle like this is to enjoy today's natick-free puzzle at the LA Times: www.latimes.com/games/daily-crossword
p.s.
As I kinda hinted at earlier, I think the explanation for DIC is that they were pronouncin it the same way it's pronounced in its home word of juDICious, which is with that there "dish" sound.
Just sayin.
M&A Help Desk
Totally joyless in every way. Ugh.
No way in my world that the tock in stock sounds anything like talk.
I had to turn off overlays in the app for this one. I couldn't see the letters underneath the vine. Without the vine drawn on it would've been something kind of fun to figure out--with the vine it just felt on the nose, and it actively obscured the puzzle.
Same here. Got hung up on that clue because I assumed the "delivery that couldn't be returned" was a reference to the days when ice was delivered to homes, and it "couldn't be returned" because it, well, melts. What made things even worse is "ittar" is also an alternate spelling for that perfume ingredient.
I think TOCK is a Bostonian Accent.
Def a vine… but those are not grape leaves.
Gimmickry such as this is an insult to the visually impaired; even marginally impaired such as I. DNF.
Does a TEE really do any lifting?
Yes, I too am still bothered by “TOCK” for “talk”. I am from the Midwest, and we say talk, with the L clearly pronounced. OversTOCK does not rhyme with OversTALK.
We ARE guilty of pronouncing an “r” in “wash”, as in “Warshington”, D.C. I’m sorry, I don’t know why we do. Living in NYC for 40 years and I still have to catch myself to not add an “r” to “wash”!
I’m also from the Midwest, and I’ve never heard anyone pronunciation the L in TALK, though it still doesn’t sound like TOCK here. I have however heard plenty of Bostonians say things like “pock the cah in the yahd and we’ll tock about it later.
I hate 99% of cover songs, but "HEARD [IT] THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE" is such a tremendous tune that I like all three versions, ranked, IMO, 1) Marvin Gaye, 2) Gladys Knight & the PIPs, 3) CCR.
I TOO had trouble with -DIC- but the explanation makes sense. It's pretty stretchy, but I'll buy it.
Relatively easy to do, because of getting that long title, which filled in the two longest downs. Some resistance in the SE, but that was all. (Always heard "patoot" instead of the drawn-out PATOOTIE.) And of course, didn't know the Hole thing. There really was a group called Hole? ICK.
Some fill ICKiness, but no more than expected with all those theme elements. A construction marvel. Birdie.
Wordle bogey, whiffing three shots at GBGBG.
@Barbara S. 8:40am :
Here in Illinois the town of Utica has a Burgoo Festival every year. That's the only reason I know that word.
TRUE ACTS?
A ROOMER SO delicious IS IN DENIAL, ISITNOT?
IT AIN'TSO JUDICIOUS TO be COT ON THE COT!
--- ALY MESSI
That was rather easy. Noticed: IPLANTO SPEAKTO AKINTO. ROOMER has it ALY Raisman HID nothing for the ESPN Body Issue.
Disappointing wordle par after a BBGGG start.
@anon 12:51 who will never see this - adding the r to wash is not a Midwest thing. It's a speech defect for a minority of folks that are unable to get it out correctly.
Sometimes "easy," ok, often easy. Then came an unknown part. And that little vine growing down the middle drove me nuts. Must have been my copy, but...
Really sad news this morning on NPR that Will S. had a stroke on 2/4. He's recovering but has not done the Sunday puzzle on air for a few weeks.
Lady Di
How about Creedence Clearwater’s extended “Grapevine”?
I can't figure out for the life of me why "poem" is the answer for "stressful work." Somebody please enlighten me? This is Allison, by the way. I'm too challenged to make a name appear for myself.
Thank you!
In a poem, stress is put on certain syllables
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