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Sunday, September 17, 2023

Constructor: Jill Rafaloff and Michelle Sontarp

Relative difficulty: Very easy


THEME: "Classical Music" — famous pop songs are clued as if they related to classical mythology (the musical artist is included in parentheses at the end of the clue):

Theme answers:
  • "GIVE PEACE A CHANCE" (24A: Supplication to Ares (Plastic Ono Band))
  • "HERE COMES THE SUN" (34A: Warning to Icarus (The Beatles))
  • "LIGHT MY FIRE" (52A: Request to Prometheus (The Doors))
  • "OH, PRETTY WOMAN" (66A: Comment to Aphrodite (Roy Orbison))
  • "YOU'RE SO VAIN" (84A: Criticism of Narcissus (Carly Simon))
  • "DON'T BRING ME DOWN" (95A: Entreaty to Hades (Electric Light Orchestra))
  • "MORNING HAS BROKEN" (114A: Congratulations to Eos (Cat Stevens))
Word of the Day: Plastic Ono Band (24A) —

The Plastic Ono Band was a rock band formed by John Lennon and Yoko Ono in 1969 for their collaborative and solo projects based on their 1968 Fluxus conceptual art project of the same name.

Lennon and Ono began a personal and artistic relationship in 1968, collaborating on several experimental releases. After their marriage in 1969, they decided their future endeavours would be credited to the Plastic Ono Band. The band featured a rotating line-up of musicians including Eric ClaptonKlaus VoormannAlan WhiteBilly PrestonJim KeltnerKeith MoonDelaney & Bonnie and Friends, and Lennon's former Beatles bandmates George Harrison and Ringo Starr. After Lennon and Ono moved to New York in 1971, they collaborated with Elephant's Memory under the name "Plastic Ono Elephant's Memory Band". Lennon's collaborations continued under similar names until 1974.

From 2009 to 2015 (29 years after Lennon was murdered), Ono and her son Sean Lennon led a new incarnation of the group, the Yoko Ono Plastic Ono Band. [...] 

During the couple's second bed-in, held in Montreal in late May and early June 1969, Lennon, Ono and their guests recorded the Lennon-penned song "Give Peace a Chance" and Ono's "Remember Love". These were released on 4 July as a single credited to the Plastic Ono Band. It was the first single released by Lennon outside of the Beatles, with whom he was still active. Although an independent composition and release by Lennon, his Beatles writing partner Paul McCartney was still credited, as both a contractual and personal agreement of sharing credit. (wikipedia)
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All these songs are old and (therefore?) in my wheelhouse. The modern song here—the only one that belongs to my own radio-listening experiences and not my parents'—is "DON'T BRING ME DOWN" which came out in 1979. So we've got seven songs, the most recent of which is 44 years old. These are all famous songs, for sure, but nothing since 1979? That's not exactly inviting to the youngsters—by which I mean, people under 40. Even though all these songs are superfamiliar to me (I know them all, note for note), the narrowness of cultural reference feels like a bit of a weakness. Everything came out between '64 and '79. I'm trying to imagine what older solvers would do with a puzzle that had this same theme, but where all the songs came out between '05 and '20. The howling! But a preponderance of solvers will know these songs as old friends, and will probably be delighted, as the theme is cute and the difficulty level is very, very low. I love these songs (well, most of them), and I love classical mythology, so my feelings about this one naturally skew toward the positive. Some of the cluing could've been more dynamic, or funny. Didn't really get why Eos was being "congratulated" for morning's having broken, and while Aphrodite is undoubtedly pretty, Helen seems like the one with the iconic good looks (the face that launched a thousand ships and all that). But I did think a couple of these were right on the money—funny in unexpected ways. See especially "HERE COMES THE SUN" (hilarious when imagined as a warning shout), and "DON'T BRING ME DOWN"—though technically everyone went "down" back then (Aeneas visits his father in Elysium, for instance, which is in the Underworld), and Hades didn't really "bring" you, your shade just sort of ... ended up there. So, essentially, this clue is conflating Christian ideas of the afterlife with classical ones ... but I still think it's funny. Narcissus is a bit on the nose, but on the nose is better than off the nose. In short, the theme was pleasant and light-hearted and entertaining. Assuming you know something about pop music 1964-79. And something about classical mythology, of course.

["Bruce?!"]

The fill is solid throughout—no cringing, and not even much sideeye that I can remember. Of course I was going so fast that I didn't really have time to think much about the fill, but I usually remember wincing and sideeye, even at high speeds. This one started out with an obvious 1-Across: Need for double Dutch (ROPE), and once I got going I never slowed down. Well, not never. I spun my wheels a little bit at ODER (!?) / FEUD. My German is bad to nonexistent, so no hope on ODER (which I know only as a river), and FEUD ... that must've had a vague or otherwise tough clue. Yep: 45A: Beef, maybe. I fell for the meat meaning, I think. The one proper noun that might've proved tricky for some today is YVONNE De Carlo—another pop cultural bone thrown to the oldsters (55D: De Carlo who played Lily Munster). That one's running through J'ADORE, another proper noun that might elude a few solvers (64A: Dior fragrance). You've also got the (classical!) MIDAS in there, but clued as an auto parts store—that adds yet another potentially unfamiliar proper noun to the mix. And that whole section crosses two themers. For me, the names were all ultimately familiar, but if you struggled a bit there, that seems understandable. 


My only real screw-up came at 106A: Camp production, maybe (B-MOVIE). I had the "-MO-" and very confidently and very proudly wrote in S'MORES. S'MORES are more a "camp production" than B-MOVIEs are. Most B-MOVIEs are nowhere near camp(y). They were simply the lower-budget, typically lower running-time movies on a double bill. Camp schmamp. I mean, anything cheap and badly acted might be camp, I guess, but most B-MOVIEs simply would not qualify. In short, S'MORES was the correct answer, and I am lodging an official protest with the Crossword Gods to have B-MOVIE overturned. I'll let you know how that goes. 


Last thing: if you are a Central New Yorker (as so many of the best people are), you should know that the Finger Lakes Crossword Competition is taking place *this* Saturday, Sep. 23, in Ithaca, NY. It's a benefit for Tompkins Learning Partners, an adult literacy organization in the Finger Lakes area. I'll be there giving a little preliminary talk on ... I don't know, something. If you live anywhere in the area, come solve a puzzle and say hi. It's not a big time commitment. More of a mini-tournament, where you can solve alone or in teams, and you can choose one of three difficulty levels. For more information, see the tournament's website
That's all, see you tomorrow.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. I think the vegetables in the imagined portmanteau of PARSNIP are parsley (?) and turnip (80A: Vegetable that looks like a portmanteau of two other vegetables (but isn't!)). Would never have thought of parsley as a "vegetable," but hey, it's green, it's leafy, whatever.

P.P.S. 16D: A, as in ancient history? is ANNO because the “A” here is the “A” in “A.D.”—ANNO Domini. Slightly weird clue, in that most time that might be marked “A.D.” is not, in fact, ancient, but maybe the clue is suggesting that the term itself is old, replaced in many quarters by “C.E.”—Common Era. 

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109 comments:

Daveyhead 12:05 AM  

This felt like a giant Monday and gave almost no resistance. I had an error (of course) with ALBUMEN, spelled with an I, but Sundays are too large to hunt down an error. Still, my time of 27:07 would be like Rex finishing in 7:07. It helped that I knew all of the songs through just a few crosses. Was fun but too easy.

jae 12:18 AM  

Yep, very easy, and yep, I knew all the songs. Fun breezy Sunday, liked it or what @Rex said.

No WOEs.

Me too for s’mores at first.

The first song we played on the brand new component stereo system we bought in the early 70’s was “Here Comes The Sun”.

kitshef 12:30 AM  

STAGGERingly easy. Of course, everything was right in my cultural wheelhouse - all the songs plus XENA, ERNIE, TOE LOOP, ESTEE, RUH ROH, PERO and RICO, JOSIE, YVONNE.

Probably my biggest problem was AVON (did not know it was British) crossing LOVE (not an expression I've heard used). CLEEF could have been hairy if the crosses were not easy. Use Lee van ____ and that would be right in my wheelhouse, too.

I briefly thought we might have a Traveling Wilburys theme, with songs written by Harrison (Here Comes the Sun), Orbison (Oh, Pretty Woman), and Lynne (Don’t Bring Me Down).

GILL I. 1:05 AM  

I usually don't do Sundays anymore...even though I cut my teeth on them under a shady tree in Central Park. I'm glad I looked at this and thought....
I don't know where I was in 1964. In 1979 I was rocking with Mexicana.....
Yes...Old friends. A time when I drove my beat up 69 V.W. Bug and sang as loud as I could to words I didn't always know. And then you give me a cosmopolitan filled with cointreau and mythology. Salud!
I knew these songs and I knew what Icarus and his gang were up to. Don't you think this clever? I do.
When I penned GIVE PEACE A CHANCE I smiled at Ares. A perfect time to dance with all the Gods.
Nothing really gave me pause except...J'DORE. My first perfume was Dior. My Dad gave me a bottle of Miss Dior when I turned 16. He told me it was his favorite fragrance and I had earned the smell (or something like that)...I don't wear perfume anymore because everyone on the elevator holds their nose. But J'DORE.... LIGHT MY FIRE PRETTY WOMAN...DON'T BRING ME DOWN this elevator or you AINT seeing THE SUN in The MORNING. No LOVE here and I hope the down button is BROKEN.
RUHROH? What are you?
My favorite was OH PRETTY WOMAN because I loved Ray Orbison's voice.
Glad you brought a smile to me, Jill And Michelle.

Voyajer 1:33 AM  

Too easy, but loved it anyway. Got all the theme songs first without any crosses. That’s too easy, but though I don’t listen to these old songs anymore, they have a place in my musical heart and bring up warm memories. Loved the mythology combo, but even there, the clues were too obvious.

For those too young to know these songs, time to listen.

Fun fast Sunday, but leaves you itching for a brain teaser!

okanaganer 1:33 AM  

Yes pretty quick, for a Sunday. I had a couple of typeovers; for "Beef, maybe" of course I put in FOOD, well duh.

We seem to often see HTTP as "URL starter", but these days it's actually almost always HTTPS; the S stands for "secure". (Only those of you that can still see the URL in the address bar may notice this.) And that portion of the address is known as the "protocol", in case you're wondering.

[Spelling Bee: Sat 0, again no goofy words, yay. My week Sun to Sat: 0 each day for a 7 day perfect week! But I'm sure Sam has some absurd words coming up soon to break my streak.]

Joaquin 2:10 AM  

It appears my phone has been hacked by Jill Rafaloff and Michelle Sontarp and they have used my playlist as the basis for this puzzle.

Now this is what I call music! And this is what I call a fun puzzle.

Dan Sachs 4:19 AM  

The title is Classical Music so the time period for the songs was appropriate.

Anonymous 6:57 AM  

“Classical” (as in “Ancient Greek”) not “classic” (as in “classic rock” or “oldies”)—the “classical” here refers to the clues, not the pop tunes

Aaron 6:58 AM  

I thought the theme referenced “classic rock.”

Anonymous 7:00 AM  

1. Too bad MIDAS couldn't have been fitted into the theme somehow (and, AUTO PARTS?????)
2. Not clear why the deities are IDd by their Greek names but Narcissus and Icarus are characters from Roman mythology

Iris 7:08 AM  

Ridiculously easy. I like feeling smart, but not patronized.

Son Volt 7:14 AM  

Perhaps the easiest.Sunday.ever. Cute theme - and a grid that seemed to fill itself. What’s not to like about both Lily and JOSIE in the same puzzle. PARSNIP is cool and as much as I dislike the Dodgers I love going to Chavez RAVINE whenever I’m in LA.

Jerry - not Lloyd Price

Crossword royalty today with OONA and WICCAN. The clue for SPONGE brought a chuckle. Narcos earlier this week - NARC today. Been on the lookout for the dreaded LANTERN fly lately.

Pleasant Sunday morning solve.

How’s ERNIE

Lewis 7:46 AM  

They say the third time is the charm, and this, the third NYT debut puzzle of the week, charmed me with its humor, the cleverness of its disparate pairing of the ancient world (Greek myth) and modern (blockbuster hits), and the sweet memories it triggered.

Oh, those memories! I don’t know about anyone else, but when I hear songs that I glommed onto in my younger days, my mind shoots back into my mind of that day, what it felt like to be me in those days. I viscerally remember people who were important to me then, what it actually felt like to be with them, and I remember events and locations from back then – as if I were there – that I haven’t thought about in ages.

The summer that “YOU’RE SO VAIN” came out, for instance, I sold pianos in a store, and when I hear that song, I’m back there, sitting across the desk from my quirky boss, I’m back there looking at my girlfriend’s eyes, I’m back there driving my clunky car.

All the songs in this puzzle do that; bring an experience far richer than thumbing through a photo album. Many thanks, Jill and Michelle, for this marvelous gift. You lit my fire with this one!

bocamp 7:50 AM  

Thx, Jill & Michelle; excellent Sun. puz! 😊

Easy-med.

Good start in the NW, with smooth sailing all the way down to ENDS, aptly!

Enjoyed the adventure! :)
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Steve Mossberg's Sat Stumper was tough (5 x NYT Sat.). The SE took forever, but eventually fell. (whew & phew!!)
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On to Emily Cox & Henry Rathvon's Feb. 21, 2010 cryptic from xwordinfo.com. 🤞
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude ~ Serendipity & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

Joe Dipinto 7:54 AM  

It took less than two minutes to write in the song titles, after which I threw the puzzle away. This was even more ridiculous than last Sunday. Can we get a Sunday theme that's a little bit of a challenge?

puzzlehoarder 7:56 AM  

This was so easy it was boring. One boomer softball after another crossed with user friendly fill. Ironically this wasn't really made for baby boomers. It was just made for babies.

yd -0

Andy Freude 8:04 AM  

Yes, Rex, this absolutely skewed toward older solvers, who would howl in protest over a puzzle filled with more recent songs. But the two situations are not exactly equivalent. Many young people have heard these songs growing up, whereas we oldsters are known to have checked out of popular culture by the time we reach our golden years. The reason is probably because of our limited cranial capacity, what with having a head full of vital information such as the name of the actress who played Lily Munster.

SouthsideJohnny 8:15 AM  

Like many of us, I realized it was Tuesday easy as I was flying through it - and the PPP theme was stuff I new cuz I’m of that vintage (and a huge Plastic Ono (Elephant’s Memory) Band fan). I was hoping to close it out unassisted, but the whole B-MOVIE crossing a Spanish (which could end in pretty much any vowel if you don’t know it) and whatever a WICCAN is got me all discombobulated.

I generally hate PPP, but at least they made the rest of the grid so easy that it was a fun ride. I’m still confused by the clue for POTTER - a post-solve Google excursion seems to lead to the kind of pottery that involves clay (are there other kinds of pottery? Don’t laugh, I never paid much attention during Art Class). What does a Potter throw - clay? At what ? Btw, UNOS didn’t help either - is that stuff really POPULAR ? I ate there once, the food tasted like the little pastas that you can buy in a can at the grocery store.

Bob Mills 8:44 AM  

One of the best Sunday puzzles in memory, for my money. Yes, it was easy...only the RUHROH/ROPE cross forced me to cheat, because I don't watch TV and didn't know double Dutch. I guessed correctly on JADORE/JOSIE.

Several questions remain for me...how does a POTTER throw things? Why are TEAS sometimes loose?

Anonymous 8:49 AM  

My time was a personal best for a Sunday. The oldest song was released when I was a toddler and the newest the year I graduated high school and my first thought on finishing was that it would be hard for anyone under 45 or so.
Still, I enjoyed the feeling of breezing through.

EasyEd 8:53 AM  

Just the right vintage for me. Easy but getting each song opened a nostalgic echo in my mind. I guess I’m getting old and soft…but still agree with @Rex—I vote for s’mores!

blogboy28 8:55 AM  

Yeah as a 24 year old, bit annoying to only see ancient songs. Whatever, comes with the territory.

Lewis 9:02 AM  

Yes, MIDAS echoes the theme, and its accompanying song could have been the huge Shirley Bassey hit of 1964.

Anonymous 9:03 AM  

The theme was fun and clever. I thought the musical time frame was an additional play on the “classic(al)” theme. Exceedingly easy, thanks to the straightforward theme; my only snag was MopAr for MIDAS but that was easily remedied.

Adam12 9:04 AM  

@Southside Johnny this is a cut and paste:

To throw the clay means to bend it between your finger joints. The right finger is lower than the left. This is important since the discrepancy is what forces the clay to bend. As the potter's hands move upward, the clay is stretched through the bend, with the excess clay being forced upward

pabloinnh 9:05 AM  

Ah, boomer music. Oh boy. There's a reason these songs are "classics", by the way, and OFL musing about what would happen with newer music is a little pointless. History will judge, but I wonder if it will last as long as hits form the 60's.

I always forget the OH in OHPRETTYWOMAN and prefer John Lennon's DON'TBRINGEMEDOWN BUT everything else went in instanter, and that's OK once in a while.

I was surprised to find that one goes uphill to get to Chavez RAVINE, and it was nice to see NH clued as an ESTADO. Thanks guys.

Easy breezy and enjoyable romp through this one. Nice debut, JR and MS. Just Right for a Morning Stroll, and thanks for all the fun.

Sutsy 9:09 AM  

Fun puzzle overall. Could not get BMOVIE because of SEMS. SEMS is an asinine clue. Nobody in the history of mankind has ever referred to a semester as a SEM.

RooMonster 9:12 AM  

Hey All !
Echoing everyone's easy assessment. Am I old in that I knew all the songs? Har.

Simple, straightforward puz. Takes it easy on the dwindling brain cells, which is always nice. Fill pretty good. Grid layout nice.

I don't know... I guess that's it. Short and sweet. 😁

Four F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:15 AM  

I'm with @Joe Dipinto - read the clues, filled in the song titles. I did finish the puzzle but that's the reverse of the way I enjoy a crossword puzzle. No fun when the themers can simply get plopped in first. The rest of the puzzle was very, very easy and again, no challenge and no joy. Congrats to these two ladies for their construction but this was definitely not a success for me.

Anonymous 9:19 AM  

I loved the riveter clue, thought that deserved mention.

kitshef 9:25 AM  

My take on the fairness of new songs versus old songs.

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE peaked at #14 on the Billboard hot 100. The #13 song that week was Polk Salad Annie, by Tony Joe White. Polk Salad Annie had peaked at number seven and was on its way back down. It was a more successful song than GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. But today, it is mostly a forgotten song, and if White is remembered at all, it is as a songwriter, not a performer. No one would today would use it in a crossword.

With new songs, there is no way of knowing what, if any, cultural relevance the song will have in the future. With old songs, you already know where they stand.

kitshef 9:29 AM  

@Bob Mills, from Merriam-Webster: THROW: verb; to form or shape on a potter's wheel.

And TEAS is sold in little sachets, called 'tea bags', not in the sachets, called 'loose tea'.

burtonkd 9:34 AM  

The lingo in pottery is: "You throw a pot on a wheel". Put a ball of clay in the center, and start shaping it. Throw implies a stronger gesture perhaps, but you do put it down hard enough to get it to stick to the wheel enough to work with.

It wouldn't take a Joe Dipinto to just fill in the blanks here:)

We've litigated this before, but songs from the listed area are way more likely to be known by a general audience because the popular musical landscape has since splintered into countless niche genres and audiences. I'm always amazed now that it is possible not to have even heard of an artist that somehow has millions of followers/sales/streams.

Ken Freeland 9:36 AM  

Tea is termed "loose" when not in teabags...

Anonymous 9:38 AM  

And what about two equal pizza chains (Ono and Uno) intersecting with the transliteration of the noise made by a fictional dog? Terrible.

nalpac 9:39 AM  

Really far too easy. This was close to record time for any Sunday at 15 mins. Oh, I did not know that the title to the Roy Orbison song is in fact "Oh, Pretty Woman," as opposed to just "Pretty Woman". Through the bottom half of the solve I had that sort of feeling you get when Billy Joel refers to "drinking his tonic and gin". It just felt wrong. Like the composer/compiler cheated just to make something fit. Oh dear. I was wrong.

Ken Freeland 9:41 AM  

A very fair review by Rex, wirth which I concur except for fact that I was personally naticked by OONA... I trued plugging in every letter for a conceivable woman's name and only iONA made any sense. On the whole, a wry theme well executed...

Sixthstone 9:47 AM  

This went by so fast (personal Sunday record), I didn't really have time to appreciate the theme. In hindsight, I felt is was pretty lame. Pick a god, pick a song. This could go on eternally. Just not enough cleverness or humor to stand out. And this was SO easy, I feel like I was cheated out of a proper solve. Oh well, personal record... hooray!

Anonymous 10:12 AM  

Josie and the Pussy Cats! 😻 Yep, definitely aimed at my age group.

confused new retiree 10:12 AM  

Loved this one. An easy one for me finally. Very clever mixing mythology with old rock and roll songs

andrew 10:15 AM  

How can I have the worst time scoring my best time? Easy - pre-Monday easy.

Not even any fun twists on such obvious songs?

Birdseye request? - GIVE PEAS A CHANCE
Varicose diagnosis? YOURE SO VEIN
End of sitting shiva? MOURNING HAS BROKEN
Pillow preference? DONT BRING ME DOWN
Money shot in twisted family porn? HERE CUMS THE SON

(CMON, Mr. Shortz, time to bring in the dirty spelling of COME to broaden the audience)…

mmorgan 10:21 AM  

Super easy, maybe too easy, I do like at least a little resistance. Rex liked it more than I might have expected. But yes, if this were newer songs, I’d have been toast.

Nancy 10:23 AM  

Thought for the Day: You can't have fun with song titles if you don't know the song titles you're meant to have fun with. But if you're not familiar with those bands or singers...

Since I know some of the Beatles and some of Carly Simon, I had no trouble with those two themers: HERE COMES THE SUN (which I can actually almost sing) and YOU'RE SO VAIN, which I can't. In each case, I checked one crossing letter and then wrote in my answer in bold dark letters. And then I stopped. No point in torturing myself anywhere else, I thought.

But for those of you who know these references, this is a puzzle I'm predicting you'll have fun with. So have fun, everyone.

Meanwhile, Carly's a really talented singer who sings more than pop hits. She sings a great song from the American Songbook (Rodgers and Hart) that will absolutely break your heart.

Gary Jugert 10:29 AM  

Rare pleasant Sunday. Never heard of so many things, but patience and crosses paid off as the song lyrics worked their way out of the fog. Kinda strained clues, but whatever. They eventually seemed obvious. I'll bet young people who don't listen to old people music will hate this one.

HARRY POTTER IS #1. Oh wait, different, way messier potter.

Tee-Hee: BRAS and a NASTY in the bottom.

Uniclue:

1 Gambling addiction leaves Rosie alone and penniless.

1 SLOTS ISOLATE RIVETER

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Why he lives in a cage. RENTER LIT A FIRE.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nancy 10:51 AM  

Gee, I could have gotten MORNING HAS SPOKEN too, if they'd only clued it with Judy Collins instead of Cat Stevens. Here's the incomparable Judy singing it.

Trina 11:12 AM  

Too easy … what am I going to do with the rest of my Sunday morning?

But loved it anyways. Made me feel smart. And old :)

Anonymous 11:16 AM  

I’m 33 and also had a Sunday personal best :) But this is the music I grew up listening to.

Sam 11:20 AM  

Also found this very easy, but the ODER/FEUD crossing was my last square filled.

Joseph Michael 11:20 AM  

In defense of easy Sunday puzzles, this is just how I like ‘em. The Sunday grid is too big to be challenging. I don’t want to spend the entire morning struggling over it and I want to be able to finish the damn thing before I get bored. Save the crunch for the other six days and let Sunday be a day of rest. The classical music I enjoyed most today was the whoosh, whoosh of the solve. It made me want to TWIST ANd SHOUT.

Beezer 11:21 AM  

Yep, definitely in my Boomer song wheelhouse and, like @Rex I always like mythology references. I got a sappy smile on my face as I thought of good old Astro saying RUHROH…and that became a bit of a “thing to say” when in a minor jam.

@Andrew…you were on fire today AND a bit naughty!

I was 12 the year The Doors LIGHTMYFIRE came out. Jim Morrison was my first “bad boy” rock star crush. I’ll have to Google, but it occurred to me that MAYBE José Feliciano performed the song first?

@kitshef…Gator got your granny? Interesting info, and thanks for bringing a smile to my face with (not the president but the weed) Poke Salad Annie!

egsforbreakfast 11:21 AM  

It helps to have a bit of ALBUMENlightenment in solving this one. Of course it was so easy that I could claim a personal record except that I owned these songs ONTAPE.

It takes the Deep State to rig an election, but it only takes the Broadway set to RIGATONI.

I’ve already spent more time on this comment than it took to finish the puzzle. So I’m outta here.

Beezer 11:28 AM  

Wow, I was sure wrong! Feliciano “covered” The Doors song in 1968! Hah! My guess is Feliciano was on Ed Sullivan before the Doors

Carola 11:33 AM  

My word of the day is AGREE - with those who found it easy and (but?) fun to solve. All of the song titles were familiar to me except DON'T BRING ME DOWN, but with Hades involved it wasn't hard to figure out. I liked the reminder of another classic (music, not myth) with STAGGER (Lee). I thought the theme title did a nice job of uniting mythological and musical references under "classical."

To others who do the Saturday Stumper - Hat's off to you if you finished yesterday's. I had to cheat in the NE. Really the whole east side was a struggle for me.

Anonymous 11:34 AM  

A bit too easy for Saturday, but aside from that it was a well-crafted puzzle. Not bad for a debut.

R Duke 11:39 AM  

New Sunday best for me as all of the theme entries are very familiar. One small quibble - Midas is a car repair shop, not an auto parts store like Pep Boys, Auto Zone, or Napa.

G. Weissman 11:40 AM  

When you can fill in all the theme answers first, much is lacking. There’s a ton of tired fill (ESP, PEWS, ANNO, ABIT, ALTO, SYNC, ORCA, ASAP, PSST, YRS, IKEA, ISLE, HAL, AMEN, MANI, TSARS, etc.). Very few answers (RUHROH, REITERATE, ROOTCAUSE) have any sparkle. And the over-reliance on foreign words (ESTADO, ODER, PERO, RICO) is a sad crutch. Rex’s point about how 114A is nonsensical (“Hey Eos, congrats on it being dawn yet again—love the dew”) shows how the puzzle does not clear the low bar it sets for itself.

Colin 11:44 AM  

A very simple theme, a very easy puzzle. Pleasant-enough digression for a mid-Sunday morning. Agree this was a Monday-level puzzle. Of course, we too (we two!) are of that certain age that pretty much all of the songs are in our wheelhouse.

I wanted to get all the themers first (with help from my wife) but we needed the crosses.

I'm a little surprised Rex didn't lay into this more. I think my dad will enjoy this (when he sees it in 2 weeks... he's gets the puzzles a couple of weeks later).

RC 11:50 AM  

My only complaint is that the clue for 44A "No ___!" should be "¡No ___!" To be grammatically correct in Spanish, the upside question mark should be there! I actually had MAS for 44A, then realized there was no upside down question mark in the clue and cleared it because I didn't think it was correct. Later I put it back based on the cross-fills.

jb129 11:53 AM  

Aw, so what that it was easy!!! It was a delight & put a smile on my face. What more can you ask for?

Thank you so much ladies for this walk down memory lane. We might have met in passing/pushing on the subway years ago.

I loved it.

Anonymous 12:05 PM  

MIDAS got out of the auto parts business 20 years ago so that clue needs to be retired.
https://www.michigansthumb.com/news/article/Midas-to-Quit-Auto-Parts-Business-7350599.php

Azzurro 12:08 PM  

I’d never heard of TOELOOP and decided it must be TOELEAP, which sounded plausible and fit the crosses (ANNE as a historical figure starting with A, and RICA as the feminine adjective).

JD 12:11 PM  

If you're of a certain age and had all these Album(en)s, it was a cakewalk. I did have them, but sometimes I make things more difficult than they are, (e.g., the SE corner).

Cat Stevens didn't write Morning Has Broken. That was a hymn written by Eleanor Farjeon in the '30s. We still sing it in church, but I always think of him.

Interesting to have these classics to play with at the same time Jann Wenner's been booted off the board of directors of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation, probably for not being articulate enough on an intellectual level.

I hope Carly Simon is chuckling.

Anonymous 12:22 PM  

Had a near DNF in the NE: TOELeaP at 29A, ANNe at 16D, RICa at 17D—all seemed as reasonable as the actual answers. Tried OO after 20 minutes of fruitless searching, to finally get happy tune. Otherwise would have been close to Sunday record time.

webwinger

egsforbreakfast 12:26 PM  

@Andrew 10:15. Loved your twisted classics. Especially DONTBRINGMEDOWN.

johnk 12:38 PM  

Origin of "To throw": Old Engilish - twist, to turn, to propel. Some potters describe their work at the potters wheel as turning. The Old English word thrawan from which to throw comes, means to twist or turn. Going back even farther, the Indo-European root *ter- means to rub, rub by twisting, twist, turn.

Teedmn 12:41 PM  

This puzzle was unusual for me in that the theme answers were more readily answered than the rest of the fill and often gave me the only way to get the fill. I was stuck in the far SW until MORNING HAS BROKEN broke it open.

And Rex is right in thinking the FEUD ODER JADORE area would be tough for some - hand up for me, that being one of the last areas I filled in.

HERE COMES THE SUN is the most fun theme answer, for me. And now, whenever I see a reference to Icarus, I think of this article from the NYTimes that left me in awe of the works in question and also of the people who can derive so much meaning from art and poetry. I could never delve so deeply into those things on my own.

PARSNIP, I couldn't come up with vegetables that portmaneau-ed into the word PARSNIP so I decided to take "portmanteau" as more about how the vegetable reminds one of carrots and...rutabagas? And the DEEP thought ended there and I continued on with my solve. As Rex points out, PARSley doesn't scream "vegetable" so I think the clue falls apart. No problem, I got the answer.

Funny how the clue for 119A's clue for LADLE brought to mind so vividly some of the glop we were served in the school cafeteria.

Congrats on the debut puzzle, Jill and Michelle!

Mary McCarty 12:42 PM  

@anonymous 7:00 Both Narcissus and Icarus are figures in Greek literature, but spelled with Ks instead of Cs…that might be what misled you.

Cyclist227 12:45 PM  

Serioulsy, this is a Sunday puzzle? Perhaps for younger folks it might have been more challanging. But the themers were ridiculously easy, as was the rest of the puzzle. Sometimes I don't know what Mr. Shortz is thinking.

bocamp 1:13 PM  

@Carola (11:33 AM) 😊

Thx for the 'credit line' / HAT TIP! 🎩

The East was very tough for me, too, esp the SE. Had to put it down and come back many times during the day (incubating), but success in the end. 👍
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude ~ Serendipity & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

Masked and Anonymous 1:31 PM  

Easy-peasy SunPuz. Not a very humorous theme, but Luved the song titles. Definitely all songs I knew pretty well.

Been listenin lately to some old mixed CDs from around that 60s-70s music(al) era. Fun to try and remember some things, while listenin:
1. Who was the artist?
2. If it's an instrumental, what is the song title?
3. Did it come out before, during, or after my college years?

F'rinstance: Some ones lately, out of many many, where I had trouble nailin down the artist: *
1. Running Bear.
2. I Had Too Much To Dream (Last Night).
3. Liar, Liar.

Anyhoo, back to the puz …
fave clue: {Total suck-up?} = SPONGE.
fave themer: OH PRETTY WOMAN. A definite fave artist and song. Roy did a non-charter called "Evergreen" that was mighty easy to listen to.
fave filler: ROOTCAUSE. A PARSNIP go-with.
staff weeject pick: YRS. Plural abbreve meat.

Thanx for gangin up on us oldfarts with oldies, Rafaloff & Sontarp darling. On congratz on yer pretty women debuts.

Masked & Anonymo6Us


**gruntz**

* 1, Johnny Preston
2. The Electric Prunes.
3. The Castaways.

GILL I. 1:37 PM  

@Nancy 10:51. Thank you for the Judy Collins song clip. I really like her. Her more recent songs are even better than her "oldie" classics. I have her "Spellbound" CD which (I think) is her latest. PRAIRIE DREAM! I also loved Gordon Lightfoot.
I don't listen to contemporary pop anymore...I don't think the music is as "sing-along" as it used to be. Matter of taste, I know, but LIL BABY and I probably wouldn't be dance partners.

Lewis 1:40 PM  

@nancy -- Just saw Judy Collins live Thursday night here in Asheville. At 84, she's still going strong...

Anonymous 2:17 PM  

I disagree heartily with Rex about one thing: the hints are from classical mythology so it makes a lot of sense to me that the referenced songs are also CLASSIC songs…a very creative theme.

SethC 2:32 PM  

Why not both?

Masked and Anonymous 2:37 PM  

p.s.
Typos in first msg:
" … daring. On congratz …" shoulda been " … darlins. And congratz …"

M&A got rushed, on account of the PuzEatinSpouse's primo strawberries on french toast breakfast gettin served up. I got my day-um priorities, dudes & darlins.

Another coupla recently-revisited oldies artists of mystery: *
1. Pushin' Too Hard.
2. Cool Jerk.
3. Judy in Disguise.

In other weird news, the line-up for our last FriNite Schlockfest:
1. Hydra (M&A's offerin) - had pretty good special effects on the hydra critter, surprisinly.
2. Dragonslayer (bro-in-law's offerin) - Not the famous-ish one, tho. This one had an "alternate" title of Ragamutt, or somesuch. It was pretty good, anyhoo. Had a great skull-totin heavy metal band segment in it. Also, in another segment, a giant Mayan stone statue that walked around and shot rays out of its head. Each segment of the flick had a different director, which was kinda unusual.
Sooo … It was a Friday night well-wasted.

M&Also

*
1. The Seeds.
2. The Capitols.
3. John Fred & His Playboy Band. [My PuzEAtinSpouse once bet m&e five bucks that I had the "His Playboy Band" part wrong. But she soonafter married m&e, so I forgave the wager.]

SethC 2:40 PM  

Fun fact, AVON was not always British, that is very recent. It was based in New York for 100+ years, but mid 2010s the North American part of the business was sold to a private equity firm, then a few years later to LG Health. Avon Products remained global and moved its headquarters to London.

(former Avon employee)

Anonymous 2:42 PM  

As a 20-something with minimal pop culture knowledge, this was impossibly difficult. Didn't know any of the songs, so I got hard stuck in areas where the themer was meant to be the gimme. LIGHTonFIRE vs LIGHTMYFIRE, HERE?????THEmaN crossing mAGE and waSH, ??PRETTYWOMeN crossing pAkORE, pOSIE, and MIkeS, DONTBRINGusDOWN, etc.

Juanita 3:03 PM  

Some people have claimed that the puzzle might be difficult for younger solvers, since they probably weren't familiar with the songs. Well, I'm by no means a younger solver, but I too was unfamiliar with most of the songs. However, I do know a bit about Greek mythology, and I loved using that knowledge, along with some helpful crossings, to figure out the song titles. I was delighted with the puzzle and the fact that I solved it without cheating.

MegGreer 3:37 PM  

Glad it was easy! I couldn’t finish the spelling bee this morning so I turned to the crossword, which I have not worked on for six weeks. Solved!

Schuly 3:54 PM  

Kate Bush is roaring.

Joe Dipinto 4:01 PM  

@M&A – "(You're) Pushin' Too Hard" could be: Observation to Sisyphus (The Seeds')

CDilly52 4:05 PM  

This was such a joy to solve, especially after the last two days. Friday was nearly impossible. Wrong wheelhouse, odd clues, and well, just plain dull. But mostly just plain difficult.

Saturday less so but very tough in a fee choice spots. What was truly odd about Saturday was that my solve mirrored that of @Rex 100%. In all the (long, long) time I have been reading (lurking really) and now participating I have never until yesterday had a solve exactly lime OFL’s. Go figure.

Today though was a joy. The kind of Sunday I crave. Enjoyable theme, junkless grid - what’s not to love? Don’t care that the songs were all old. They are all huge hits which if not immediately recalled were easily determined from crosses. And the theme pairings with mythical stories was such fun. I don’t care a bit that it was a tad corny. I live the corny Sunday themes. I. Just. Do.

So I’ll keep on keepin’ on. I never miss a read even though I’ve been a sketchy participant. Y’all are such a happy part of my day. Have a good week everyone!

Anonymous 4:10 PM  

Loved this puzzle, perfect for a fall Sunday afternoon.

I learned a long time ago not to get touchy or testy when reading this blog. We all love crosswords, and we all have opinions to be read/heard and to be respected at most levels.

But, I felt a bit reprimanded by what, in my opinion, was Rex’s jump to defend young people who might be ignorant about pre-1980s classic music. I didn’t live through the 1940s to early 1950s when my parents were coming of age, yet I do pretty well when playing a musical trivia game that includes those tunes.

Also, those of us who finished college before 1980 had a relatively small number of initialisms to memorize — AFL-CIO jumps to mind. Now, there are thousands of combinations of capital letters appearing everywhere (even in NYTXWs): names of people, places, things, titles, phrases, ad nauseam. Many of these capital-letter-combinations (CLC?) have multiple translations, too, just to muddle things up even more. I know using initialisms saves the writer’s time and space and passes that job on to us old folk to linger over — what ARE the youngsters are trying to impart. Wonder how future generations will figure out what every “CLC” stands for in printed materials?

Masked and Anonymous 5:27 PM  

@Joe Dipinto, 4:01pm -

Classic!

M&A

Smith 5:48 PM  

Hand up for super easy, even tho I ended with oNOS because although I'm the right age my parents were resolute in their decision not to buy a TV, so no Jetsons for me (brought to you by the *same people* who took me out of school (8th grade) to see Hair on Broadway - naked people!). And not much for chain pizza when we have multiple local spots.

Interesting that so many of us were able to drop in the song titles with no crosses. It would have been a crunchier outing if the artist names had been omitted.

Lazy Sunday afternoon ...

Footwear for LEGO men?
RIGATONI SHOES

Who lives under the sink?
MICE SPONGE FAMILY


Anonymous 6:26 PM  

Agreed.

dgd 6:37 PM  

FWIW
OONA used to appear frequently in crossworld. Of late, its appearance has been rarer. Pabloinnh calls these types of answers old friends and greets them in his posts.
It is of course a VERY useful name. Since I have been doing the Times puzzle for over 40 years, I put her name right in.
I still found a way to dnf. I forgot about the Uno chain and didn’t watch the Jetsons that much. So I stupidly put in a.

Anonymous 6:37 PM  

I think he was making a joke.

dgd 6:57 PM  

It is now very commonly used by English speakers (Americans anyway). English speakers who know little Spanish pay no attention to rules of another language. That is how language works. So it is valid for an English speaker, however annoying it may be to someone who knows Spanish well. I do know that neither GillI who spoke Spanish as a child in Cuba and Pabloinnh who knows Spanish well made any comment.
Ano without the tilde seems to get many more people riled up!

dgd 7:21 PM  

Recently The Rolling Stones had an event in London celebrated the start of their new tour and new album. Much older people were waiting for them to enter the event location
A (high)school girl coincidentally waiting for a bus home said The Rolling Stones - I heard of them, I think.
So I understand how you had trouble with this puzzle.
When I was that age I had no idea how much groups like the Stones were influenced by Black blues and R and B artists.

Jmorgie 10:26 PM  

Rex -- I am really tired of creators & editors getting technology/science/engineering stuff completely wrong and in so doing teaching mis-information or just plain wrong! HTTP has NOTHING to do with URLs! A URL is a 'Locater' -- it is an address. it is the internet address of a particular page or part of a page. HTTP [and others ahead of the colons and slashes] are the mechanism for understanding what the information is. Its like, if you lived at 123 Elm St then that is your address and if you tell your friends to knock and not ring then that is the equivalent of HTTP -- it is not a part of your address. Y'all have to remember that the info returned by a web request is just a semi-infinite string of ones and zeros ... how they get interpreted depends on mechanism cited. breaking the stream up into 8 bit sections [bytes] or 4 bit sections [nibbles] or 6 bit or 9 bit or 24bit etc. to be understood is specified by the access mechanism. please use your red telephone to explain this to Wil Shortz!

okanaganer 11:48 PM  

@Jmorgie... every source I checked disagree with you; in that the "scheme" or "protocol" IS part of the URL.

Mozilla Developer Network:
"Here are some examples of URLs:
https://developer.mozilla.org
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/..."

Wikipedia:
"A typical URL could have the form http://www.example.com/index.html, which indicates a protocol (http), a hostname (www.example.com), and a file name (index.html)."

etc, etc...

Anonymous 3:10 PM  

When you can fill in all of the theme answers first, without even thinking hard, it’s just no fun. I did really appreciate the refreshing freedom from terrible goofy puns though. At least thanks for that.

Doug 5:09 PM  

John's Beatle song is Don't Let Me Down

Doug 6:29 PM  

Loved it Loved it Loved it. Finally something for us Boomers!

Joe 6:47 PM  

I’m a 73 year old geezer. The only song from this list that I like, or liked, is “Lighy my fire”. But knowing them all made for an easier solve.

Anonymous 11:14 PM  

Was sure that this video would have made the blog https://youtu.be/8VZxgy6fBJ4?si=skTQd-41aTB2nSWp

Anonymous 7:18 PM  

Poke salad

Anonymous 7:21 PM  

Did no one mind that 1 down, Astro speak, is incorrect? It was Scooby-Doo who said ruh roh.

Anonymous 9:08 PM  

The clue is correct. Look it up.

Anonymous 11:37 PM  

Could someone please explain why the answer to the clue ‘“optical” accessories’ is “mice”??? I’ve tried to figure out if it’s computer mice or the Three Blind Mice or what, but am drawing a total blank.

spacecraft 11:59 AM  

Yep, very easy. Lots of good old tunes, my ERA, so fun to do. A couple of missteps: I forgot the OH in front of PRETTYWOMAN, so there was a big writeover there; another dropped letter was the I before MACPRO. That was only two squares. Birdie.

Wordle birdie, rebounding from yesterday's disaster.

Benjamin Hawn 12:37 PM  

Awfully easy. No resistance to speak of. I too, knew all the songs and I’m 66! Congrats to the constructors on a nice debut.

Geome 12:39 PM  

For anonymous@11:37:28 “Optical” accessories : MICE
The old wheeled mouseis prone to slipping on the wrong surface and clogs up with dirt. An optical mouse is the next level of technology and uses a light emitting diode and photo-diodes to detect motion.
(explanation courtesy of Bill Butler, nyxcrossword.com)

Diana, LIW 1:30 PM  

Got messed up in the mid-east, and couldn't get out.

Otherwise, quite a quick Sunday romp.

Diana, LIW

Burma Shave 3:47 PM  

PERT SPEECH

OHPRETTYWOMAN, YOU'RESOVAIN,
DON'TBRINGMEDOWN 'tho I'm SO PLANE,
LIGHTMYFIRE of LOVE IN MY pants,
HERECOMESTHE fun, GIVE ME ACHANCE.

--- SEN. ERNIE POTTER

rondo 4:08 PM  

Wheelhouse. As far as the song titles. Wasn't sure about a mythical figure or two.Oolala OONA.
Wordle par. @spacey - yesterday = DADDY.

Anonymous 5:35 PM  

The long answers were easier than the short answers for me since all these songs are quite familiar. Still a solid Sunday puzzle. I do though wonder if I could make it through a similar puzzle with 21st century songs. Maybe not.

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