Preceder of the Chen dynasty / THU 9-14-23 / Giant in chemicals manufacturing / Affectionate gesture that might get some blowback? / 2012 film centered around a hostage crisis / Low-pitched woodwind / Phrase that's a real game-changer? / Film character who takes the red pill
Thursday, September 14, 2023
Constructor: Vasu Seralathan
Relative difficulty: Medium
Theme answers:
- MATH CLASS (17A: Where students may be plotting)
- EQUATION (10D: Problem that may have several factors)
- VARIABLE (38D: Unknown quantity in a 10-Down)
The "X"s:
- AIRX (i.e. "air kiss") (14A: Affectionate gesture that might get some blowback?)
- XPAN (i.e. "time span") (13D: 60 minutes, for one)
- RENTX (i.e. "rent strike") (35A: Tenants' collective protest)
- LAXE (i.e. "lacrosse") (55D: Sport with a stick)
- ANXNA (i.e. "antenna") (53D: Rabbit ears, e.g.)
The Liang dynasty (Chinese: 梁朝; pinyin: Liáng Cháo), alternatively known as the Southern Liang(Chinese: 南梁; pinyin: Nán Liáng) in historiography, was an imperial dynasty of China and the third of the four Southern dynasties during the Northern and Southern dynasties period. (502-557 CE) (wikipedia) // The Northern and Southern dynasties (Chinese: 南北朝; pinyin: Nán-Běi Cháo) was a period of political division in the history of China that lasted from 420 to 589, following the tumultuous era of the Sixteen Kingdoms and the Eastern Jin dynasty. It is sometimes considered as the latter part of a longer period known as the Six Dynasties (220–589). Albeit an age of civil war and political chaos, it was also a time of flourishing arts and culture, advancement in technology, and the spread of Mahayana Buddhism and Daoism. The period saw large-scale migration of the Han people to the lands south of the Yangtze. The period came to an end with the unification of all of China proper by Emperor Wen of the Sui dynasty. (wikipedia)
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The fill really did need cleaning up. I nearly took a screenshot after the very first answer I put in the grid ([Blackthorn] = SLOE), because it felt like an omen. A warning. A DANTEsque "abandon all hope" kind of deal. And after that NW corner came fully together, it seemed as if the omen was not altogether off track. SLOE and AGORA are particularly mothbally, and feel moreso when they're crammed in there with LIANG and ORTHO. In retrospect, this is (likely) entirely the result of thematic density. That is, AIRX and MATHCLASS are locked in up there, and so wiggle room is hard to come by, from a constructing standpoint. You can see this happen again in the EQUATION / XPAN section, where we are treated to the ridiculous, only-in-the-sundial-universe Roman numeral IIII. Basically the fill is holding on for dear life in this one. All the energy is in the theme stuff and the fill is just trying to maintain "good enough" levels. I think it's at its most interesting at the BASS SAX / SNEAK IN / TILE SAW nexus, but otherwise, it ranges from ordinary to lamentable. I do think the theme is strong enough to cover the infelicities in the fill, but I do wonder how much better things might've been without the thematic dead weight of MATH CLASS and EQUATION.
The hardest "X" for me, by far, was [TIME S]PAN. This is the one time where the "X" stands for a word that is both hidden (i.e. not standing on its own, like "KISS") *and* divided—that is it runs across a break in words, between TIME and SPAN. I just stared at XPAN and then stared at the clue (13D: 60 minutes, for one), and then stared some more. I started doubting that St. LUCIA was right (19A: Saint ___ (West Indies nation)). Maybe it was St. LUCIE. Yeah, that does look like a plausible place name. Is it XPEN? No, it is not. I must have muttered the word "time" while thinking what the hell "60 minutes" could be (for one). Literally any span of time can be a time span, so the clue was almost completely useless. But I figured it out. The only other one that threatened to be mysterious was the hidden "TEN" in ANXNA (which sounds like a mental health condition, or a pharmaceutical treatment therefor).
Notes:
- 20A: Customer service state? (ON HOLD) — I had this as ON HIRE at first—like a taxi available to serve a customer? Made sense to me. Seemed old-fashioned and possibly British, but made sense.
- 29D: Giant in chemicals manufacturing (OLIN) — Yet another corporate "giant" I've never heard of. The hardest non-thematic thing in the puzzle for me, by far. Nobody wants this OLIN. It's Ken OLIN or Lena OLIN or gtfo.
- 28A: Early voting site (IOWA) — this refers to voting in the presidential primaries and caucuses (I assume). Is IOWA still "early"? I think the Democrats made them not the earliest any more. But then I try to think about presidential elections as *little* as possible these days, which is gonna get harder and harder in the coming months...
- 8D: Low-pitched woodwind (BASS SAX) — I wonder how many first-try BASSOONs there were out there. I know I tried BASSOON first. Seems like a solver could get pretty stuck early on with BASSOON rooted firmly in place. For me, the RENT [STRIKE] (ironically) evicted -OON in pretty short order.
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107 comments:
Liked it! Nicely clever. —SoCal CP
Totally blanked in the NW. Had cree at 1A; I guess I confused Blackthorn with Blackhawk or Blackfoot. Sudan at 1D and rectO at 3D, trig CLASS at 17A and wondering what sort of Thursday trickery would squeeze Acropolis into five letters at 23A.
Delayed briefly at 8D, thinking (incorrectly) "A BASS SAX is a brass instrument, not a woodwind," but SAX became quickly inevitable
Got the theme at HELIX/[TIMES]pan and more-or-less whooshed after that. One "Whoosh," not two. Backed into the NW via CLAIROL x TILESAW x EXHORT.
Brilliant! Great theme, very clever. Didn’t grok it until more than half way through, and then a huge AHA! moment. Perfect Thursday level of difficulty for me. Agree with Rex that TIMES was the trickiest theme answer. Bravo!
Cute enough - cool trick. Similar experience as the big guy with it falling at RENT STRIKE. Connect all the Xs and you get one big X.
I liked the supplemental longs - VARIABLE, EQUATION, DERIVES. There is some decent fill - EXHORT, SCOWL etc but ACER is one of the worst I’ve ever come across. I wish they would have stuck with the computer company clue.
Neat to see ISRAEL x DEAD SEA.
Pleasant Thursday morning solve.
I heard it on the X
Chalk me up for bassoon before bass sax. Having played saxophone and been around live music my whole life, I can say that you see many, many more soprano, alto, tenor and baritone saxes before you see a bass sax (as in I don't know if I've ever seen one), and where was the hint for abbreviation? I also had difficulty figuring out what the X's were. On 12 down (numeral on some sundials) I had the I's and went with vIII at first. Then had 60 minutes as sPAN which left a very dubious looking HELvs for a noted figure in genetic research. Then I figured the X had to go in so I somehow convinced myself some sundials were on army time and had xIII for a while as I parsed what HELxs could mean and whether sPAN was wrong. I did get there in the end with a nice AH!
A me problem: today was a really good example of why Thursdays tend to be my least favorite day of the week, especially when the themes aren’t particularly humorous. I can fully recognize how clever the themes may be but I just don’t feel the drive to crack them in the same way I work towards cracking fill clues and logicking through the crosses, say. For example, today - I didn’t give it much thought or attention but was certain of ANXNA and thought X must be a stand-in for TEN throughout. It became clear that it wasn’t that, and rather than just go back and ponder it out, I thought, meh, let’s just figure out where the four X’s are, and eventually I got the congrats message. I know what I “should” do to complete the fill in the intended spirit of the thing. But I just don’t have the patience for it many Thursdays.
And so given that, and because the fill was sacrificed for the theme, I didn’t have a great solving experience. I could have used more sparkle, more winking. Even the many misdirects didn’t feel playful. A truly excellent misdirect or pun or revealer makes me feel I’m in on the joke with the constructor when I crack it, and today fell short on both themers and fill in that regard. I’m sure there will be lots of folks today who feel differently. Again, a me problem - just not my cup of tea.
I didn't like "Sport with a stick = LAXE" if only because "LAX" is a really common abbreviation for lacrosse, which mainly just cast doubts for too long. Otherwise it was fine for a Thursday--didn't get too cute or impressed with itself, didn't involve numbers, etc.
Thx, Vasu; X out of X for this one! 😊
Med-hard.
Wonderful theme, tho didn't catch on for a long time.
Dnfed at HELxs. Was looking for the name of a person; thot sPAN worked for '60 minutes', and somehow was seeing a 'v'III for 8 o'clock, even tho I had entered an 'x' there. d'oh!
Put me in the BASSoon camp.
Did lots of MATH yd, namely algebra, SOLVing for X, simplifying, factoring, etc.
Fun workout today; always appreciate a challenge. :)
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Delightful theme.
Not being a Thursday fan, it’s difficult for me to know with any degree of certainty, but I imagine that this could be a gimmick puzzle lover’s delight. I thought the PLOTTING reference in the CLASS clue had something to do with gardening or horticulture, and the twin PPP towers of SAMOA and LIANG pretty much obliterated MATH for about half the solve. Then, once the theme is ascertained, there are those pesky X’s to deal with.
I figured that the each X would stand for a number - the way they do in MATH EQUATIONS. That would have made the theme make sense (to me at least). I agree with Rex that the fill suffered greatly, but it’s possible the editors realized the amount of strain that the grid was under because the clues are pretty much, well, normal - which is a rarity in this publication.
So here we are with a Thursday gimmick that I actually thought was kind of cute, and reasonably well done for a change, and watch the consensus of the commentariat turn out to be that it sucked, lol.
Isn’t the theme “Math Class Variable”, and “Solve for X” the revealer? Flew through this, for a Thursday, enjoyed solving for X, but couldn’t crack “Rentx”, speaking of themes, not being a bowler. All the more pleasant since I flunked algebra in high school. Felt like redemption; I’ll give myself an A-
I had the same HELV issue as 007 and had to look up the answer for HELIX. Was thinking it was going to be a name, not a shape.
Same, that NW corner was pretty brutal compared to the rest of the puzzle
Well, SPAN is right. HELVS could be a name... oof. Took a while to *figure* that one out.
Isn’t IV the more common Roman Numeral signature than IIII?
@Weezie, it ain’t a you thing, it’s an us thing. This was a Thursday to get through on the way to Friday. My solve was a lot like @007’s. That dang BASSoon held me up for the longest time.
Props to Vasu for going the extra mile in making this puzzle. It’s Tricky Thursday, and the sublime X-gimmick he presented would have been sufficient, IMO, for publication. But by making the four longest answers math-related, and by placing the X’s so that if you connected them, they would themselves form a big X – well, that made this special, and impressive. That’s pro chops being exhibited – in a NYT debut puzzle! Bravo, sir!
Lots of lovely touches and serendipities today. There is a NYT debut answer – TILESAW. The answer DROP actually drops. There’s that world-class misdirect – BASS SAX where “bassoon” could also fit – which fooled even me, who plays saxophone! There's the lovely PuzzPair© of NEO and NEW, and the lovely cross of ISRAEL and DEAD SEA. Not to mention a mighty echo of yesterday’s SCHWA in a slew of answers that end in one: OSHA, LUCIA, AGORA, IOWA, TESSA, ELSA, SAMOA, SARA, and AN(ten)NA.
Congratulations, Vasu, on your debut puzzle, which shows great promise and whets my appetite to see more from you. Please! And thank you for a satisfying and splendid outing!
Surprised and disappointed that the NYT would use the derogatory term “Wailing Wall” rather than the correct “Western Wall”. Even Wikipedia knows that it’s wrong: “The term ‘Wailing Wall’ has historically been used mainly by Christians, with religious Jews generally considering it derogatory.” Five seconds of googling can get you the context for this.
Do better, Will Shortz.
Not hard to solve, except for the bassoon misdirect, but as with so many puzzle conceits, I saw the Xes & didn’t care. It was obvious what anxna’s X stood for but after that I didn’t bother to think about it. Put the X in helix, saw a gibberish cross and shrugged. Etc. All that cleverness for something I don’t need & now that I’ve read the eXplanation I don’t find delightful.
I did all of these exact things. I've been playing sax for 35 years, have never heard of a bass sax.
Definitely had Bassoon before BASS SAX. I liked the theme, thought it was super cute But the fill was meh.
Bassoon first for sure. You hardly ever see a BASS SAX, but OK. They do exist. They are huge! The bottom keys look like garbage can lids!
I couldn't figure out the X in XPAN, yet ironically "times" is another thing from math class. Ya'd think yer "prime"d for it, wooncha?? ;-)
Great puzzle! Perfect and original theme for a Thursday. One small nit: as a former math teacher, an equation is not a “problem”. It’s a statement. Equations can be used to solve problems and solving them might be presented as problems for a math class, but they are not themselves “problems”.
Great puzzle! Perfect and original Thursday theme. One small nit: as a former math teacher, equations are not problems. They are statements. Equations can be used to solve problems and I suppose being asked to solve an equation might be referred to as a problem in a math class, but equations themselves are not “problems”.
Bassoon before bass sax absolutely.
But far worse is 10d. An equation is in no universe a problem it can have variables that can be determined, hence a "problem", but an equation is just that...2 mathematical expressions are equal
Came here for Rex to explain XPAN
VIII made sense.
What sundial shows IIII?
But it had to be helix..
I'm a math teacher, sitting in my math classroom finishing the puz as I eat my breakfast. I appreciated the theme and the extra thematic entries even if they did ugly-up the grid a little. Feeling seen :)
Thought an excellent puzzle, but eventually had to look up SLOE so DNF. Great wordplay with all the X’s and the formation of big X with their locations. Also took me a while to get TILESAW even tho I own two! The reference to mosaics threw me as today they usually come glued on fabric bases that can be cut with knife.
Maybe it's because I' m new to doing Thursdays, but I really wanted to enter those x answers as rebuses for some reason (x=ten). This did not work, and it took me way too long of looking for my mistake elsewhere in the puzzle before I went and tried just putting in x.
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Neat puz, but the filled in grid needs to have the Rebussed words for the X's in it, not just X's. Right? Because as the Revealer said, we are supposed to SOLVE FOR X, ergo, you see the X, but write in a Rebussed word.
I had the Rebuses in (although I couldn't think of STRIKE, silly brain), but got the Almost There message. Hit Check Puzzle, to find my Rebuses crossed out! So changed them all to X's, and voila, Happy Music.
So a neat idea, once again married by technology. If done on paper, I would've had my Rebuses in, and would have went about my day without a care in the world. (Well, I would've come here to see X's where my Rebuses we're, but would've taken it as a win regardless, as I wouldn't have to change them for a completion.)
RESENTful? Nah...
A lot of clocks have the IIII on them, especially if the numbers (numerals) are made out of plastic or metal. To make the numerals, you need 4 XII's and 4 VIII's. One XII goes on 12, one XII gets split, giving you 11 & 1, one XII gets split, giving you 10 & 2, last XII gets split, giving you 9 and an I towards the 4.
One VIII gets you 8. One VIII gets split, giving you 7and an I for the 3. One VIII gets split, giving you 6 and the other two I's for 3. Last VIII gets split, giving you 5, and the other three I's for the 4.
Otherwise, you need to make too many odd numbers of the numerals.
Or so I've heard. 😁
Anyway, have a great day!
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Nice to have friends in the HELVS and BASSOON inner circle. Also I had guessed LUANG which made the fairly obvious AIRKISS invisible, as I was looking for something to do with an AURA.
Sheesh.
Had to get all the way to the SOLVEFORX instruction before I saw what was going on. Now that's what I call a revealer.
Any puzzle with a Wizard of Oz reference is aces with me. My brother-in-law and I used to work on various maintenance projects around our summer resort business and would always ask for an OILCAN in a tin man voice. Actually thought of "tin hat" before OILCAN, which is far superior.
A debut? Yikes. (Shakes head in disbelief.)
Beyond impressive, VS, and Vastly Superior to many Thursdays we've seen in a while. Congratulations and thanks for all the fun.
I got an email at work telling me how to read maps backward. It turned out to be spam.
I stuck with bassoon for a very long time; seeing as a bass sax is NOT a woodwind.
Bassoonists - get over it. It doesn't fit!
kitshef – I read it as I WIN changes a game from being played to being over.
Found this one SUPER challenging. Thursdays always trip me up cause my brain can never seem to figure out the puzzle in the puzzle. My main thing was I never figured out that X = a thing. Like “cross”, or “kiss”, or whatever. I just thought “oh X stands in for some jumble of missing letters”, so I had HELIs crossing sPAN (I dunno, maybe there was some scientist named Helis?), and then I’ve never in my life heard of an X representing a kiss, so I had kiss instead of AIRX until I finally had to “check puzzle”. This one just alluded me. To be fair, I was always terrible in MATH CLASS.
@Twangster 7:18 AM - Beautiful misdirect. The tipoff in the clue is the word "figure" instead of the word "name." When the entry is a name, we would usually see something like "Big name in genetics." So when you see "figure," which is not typical in such clues, you gotta start thinkin' it's a fakeout.
@Anonymous - 7:38 AM Yes, IV is the more common Roman numeral vs. IIII, which is why the clue refers to a numeral in *some* sundials. Vasu Seralathan is apparently right up my alley, because they are very precise and intentional about every word of their clues.
OFL nodded! My Rolex wristwatch hardly counts as a sundial, but has that pesky "iiii" in the "4" position. "Only-in-the-sundial-universe" indeed!
@Joe R. - 7:52 AM - I don't know, Joe. I'm sure you got the facts right. But, 62 year old Jew here, NOT religious in the sense meant here, and I grew up—in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, of all (very Jewish) places—hearing it called the Wailing Wall, calling it the Wailing Wall, and wondering "wtf?" when I heard it called the Western Wall. Not arguing. Just providing some on the ground, in the field, anthropological information from a native of the tribe in question.
One of those annoying ones on the NYTimes website where you fill everything in with rebus answers and it doesn't accept it, you look for errors and finally replace all the rebus words with "X" and it works. Grr.
Loved it!
Just recently learned the SLOE synonym from an archive puzzle so got off to a quick start there.
Figured out the “gimmick” with LAXE but didn’t have a lot of confidence because as pointed out above “lax” is a common usage to describe the sport. Cemented at ANXNA.
Solved HELIX cross without “getting” the “time” element but knew it had to be HELIX so XSPAN it was! (I’m pretty sure I would have figured that one out eventually but got the happy music so end of inquiry …)
I enjoyed this puzzle. I think I liked it because I worked in science related careers and found the theme to be on my wavelength. When I found “x” to be “ten” in antenna I thought it would be wonderful if the variables were all numbers. Anyone out there who could make a puzzle on the same theme that could accomplish that feat?
"Wailing Wall" was indeed the phrase for 2000 years; but the last 70 it has been the "Western Wall" because there is no more cause to "wail" and cry about it. These are modern times ... get with it NYT
I dunno - I consider this daily set of reactions to reX a WAILINGWALL of sorts…
XXX,
another brick in this WALL.
Sadly, Joaquin hasn't been around lately. If he were, he would be the proper person to remind the former math teacher above of Joaquin's Dictum. It is true that EQUATIONs are not problems, but finding the roots of an equation is. Joaquin's Dictum tells us that clues are not definitions, they are clues.
I really enjoyed today's puzzle. I suppose that many who don't are those who like to whoosh through.
Pretty fun and surprisingly easy. I had to look up LIANG after being stuck with ANG from the outset and I don't think I've heard of the LIANG. Turns out to be a short dynasty -- only 32 years -- so not very dynastic. By comparison the Gary dynasty is dominating.
Kinda hoped sundials shared a common joke by using XIIIs but that's comedy gone over the line. Just imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I guess IIII is the farthest point we can go with shade-related humor.
In math class, my Xth grade geometry teacher was super pretty. Don't remember her name, but those knees are a permanent part of my proofs.
Couple years ago 🦖 and numerous others here openly wept at the appearance of Disney princesses, so I am always elated to see ELSA. Ya know, when the battle between Ron DeSantis v. Disney began, the willingness to be pro-princess grew. When you radicalize the right, few weapons are a more powerful deterrent than skinny girls with wands and tiaras.
Uniclues:
1 Feelings of happiness when waiting out a sudden hail storm near the street curb.
2 Whiskey flask.
3 Posh snow bunny.
1 AWNING BRAVOS (~)
2 CLOAKED OIL CAN
3 CLAIROL SKIER
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Those who mock your pantry. LARDER JESTERS.
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I X'd out twice, though I'll only cop to it once.
I don't count the OLIN/NEO Natick. You know I never count something as trivial as that. I just pronounce the puzzle "Solved!" Here, I probably would have guessed an "N", but couldn't be bothered and so wrote nothing in at all. But that's not my big X out today.
My problem was that SPAN looked like a perfectly swell answer to the "60 minutes" clue, so I had HEL?S for the "noted figure in genetic research". And I was looking for a person and I couldn't think of any HEL people. Was it HELIS? HELVS? Or HELXS -- in which case what did the X stand for here? I was stumped.
So I came here to find out that it's TIMESpan, not SPAN and that the figure is a HELIX. A very clever and very devious clue. And TIMESpan is even more fiendish.
This puzzle beat me fair and square. I'm sure there must have been other *X in its various meanings*-themed puzzles, but being me, I can't remember any of them. And I loved this -- exactly the kind of trickery that I want from a Thursday.
The "X" entries weren't uniform. I got a DNF on HELIX/XPAN, because I expected the constructor to be consistent. Another huge disappoibtnebt on a Thursday.
Every mistake or misunderstanding that anyone described here today, I did that. Brain function early this morning was generally On Hold until I got back from the gym where it had been shocked awake and the NW corner fell.
Forgot that the term Air Kiss ever existed. Stared at Asss for a long time Resent(ing) that it couldn't be Bassoon and then at 50A because it couldn't be Emma. Never saw an Awning over a sidewalk and couldn't think of a 6-letter shade tree.
My grandmother Lucia would've told you that Bravo is Italian for Good Boy, so plural with this clue may be stretch. I think? She's no longer with us to comment.
I thought the X answers were, somehow, going to mean something or be connected somehow. Instead, they were simply random words substituted with the letter X. I don't see a math theme at all. Just throwing in random Xs to hide other words, with no rhyme or reason amongst those words, seems deliberately obtuse.
I wonder if the NYT had to get Elon Musk’s permission to use so many Xs?
One of my favorite Thursdays in a long time. In spite of being a professional saxophone player for the last 40 years I also assumed bassoon first.
I think that a clever tinkerer could probably make an ANXNA out of an amIIIIa.
A BASSSAX sounds like what you use to chop up a bass before putting it in the Bass-O-Matic. Best part of Akroyd’s SNL skit was when HELIX the blender. And speaking of SNL skits, today we’ve got WANE, but no Garth.
My former wife called and said she didn’t have time to do today’s puzzle, and could I just do it and send her the solution. So I had to SOLVEFORX.
I think Israel had to rename the Wailing Wall when Governor Abbott copyrighted it for use on the border.
Seems like an opportunity was missed on DERIVES, since it is a math term. But I thought this was a way clever debut. Thanks, Vasu Seralathan
An excellent and clever theme which went straight OVER my head although I’m sure it was a big WIN with the MATH ACERs in this crowd. The only themer which jumped out at me was at 53 down where X equals 10. From there I tried to put 10 in all the others which didn’t work of course. And I thought 13D was a bit devious because SPAN was a perfectly fine answer to that clue.
Once again a low key political subtext with IOWA, I WIN and LIE. If you haven’t seen it, ARGO is an excellent true-story film which I would EXHORT you to watch.
I had to come here to parse XPAN, but I filled it in OK, so I count this as a solve. It took ANXNA before I REALLY understood what was going on.
OLIN is a pretty disreputable company; among other things, it sold rifles to apartheid South Africa and let its workers get asbestosis rather than clean up the asbestos. But hey, it's a puzzle.
Whatever you call it, isn't the Western Wall in the Occupied Territories, rather than ISRAEL?
Many years ago I decided I ought to know the dynasties of China, so I found and printed out an alphabetical list. I never managed to memorize them, but some how I was able to call up LIANG from the LI. You never know what's going to pay off.
@RooMonster 9:28 AM
I filled in all the rebipodes too. Alas.
Easy-medium. I didn’t catch what was going on until late in the solve but that wasn’t really a problem. What was a problem was (like a whole bunch of folks) BASSoon before BASS SAX for way too long. The other major problem was the NW where LIANG, SAMOA and ORTHO were all kind of a WOEs given the clues, plus I kept trying to rebus algebra where MATH was supposed to go.
I’m sure I’ve solved a very similar “X can be a bunch of different things” themed puzzle recently.
All that said, liked it. Nice twist on a rebus puzzle.
Even playing the BASSoon didn’t SLOE my solve today. Finished in IOWA time and was amused by the puzzle with its multiple Xfiles closed, but somehow wanted more of something that I couldn’t put my finger on…then @Lewis filling in for xwordinfo (sadly missed) opened my eyes: debut constructor, etc. I’m always delighted to hear about connections I have missed and other wonderful things which I need to reconsider.
Medium for me, too, though more because of the non-theme clues than the theme itself - I was helped there by experience with cryptic puzzles, where X can stand for a bunch of things, including "times." So, my way into the theme was through HELEN x HELIX and then XPAN. Back I went to AIRX, which confirmed that X was going to be a VARIABLE. The "strike" and "cross" came quickly, but the surrounding territory still took me some time to negotiate. I really liked the "overlay" of the MATH CLASS entries; SOLVE FOR X is just perfect.
Do-over: yup, BASSoon. Help from previous puzzles: SLOE, SARA, TESSA. New to me: the meaning of ORTHO! Smile for: OIL CAN and memory of Jack Haley's Tin Man.
@Vasu Seralathan - Congratulations on you debut. I thought this was a really good Thursday and look forward to your next one.
Shouldn't the clue for 5A (Motion to strike?) have avoided use of "strike" given that the X in the answer for 35A represents STRIKE?
Joyless. I want joy on Thursday. I got less than fun.
When a puzzle is a debut, I try to be nice. Vasu has a lot of people clapping and happy so I can afford to be the grumpy old lady sitting in the back and croaking out boo's.
I really didn't have trouble solving the puzzle, it's just that when I saw it was mathy, I immediately thought I'd dislike what I had to do. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't fun.
I saw the X quickly at AIR X. Oh, OK. Well if we're going to do Kisses, I'm all for it. Maybe I should go sniffing around for some hugs. None to be found.
My neXt X was RENT X. That one took a while because I wanted RENT control. I've never heard of a RENT Strike.
I had 3 more to go. Finished the bottom ones and then stared at that 60 minutes clue. All I could think of was the show. Then all I did was think of 9/11. This last Sunday they did a special on that day. And then I started to cry. I knew HELIX so that last X was there, waiting for me to fill it in. I did.
Done. The only thing I thought of was SAMOA and how happy I was that they switched from right to left hand driving. I'm also glad I wasn't there to watch the million accidents. Do they have a Wailing Wall?
I agree. For a puzzle about math, that was a particularly terrible clue.
Another terrible clue: “Motion to strike.” Why would u use the very word that is a nearby theme answer (X=strike) as part of a clue? And not even a good clue at that.
On the sax question: saxophones are woodwinds because their sound is produced by a single reed; they only LOOK brass-y
Re: IIII, glad to see so many are familiar with this variant for IV. The ancient Romans used it, and not just on sundials—one of the entrance tunnels in the Coliseum is labeled “IIII” . I consider that definitive proof, written in stone!
@BobMills & Photomatte: you must have missed the answer for 38D: VARIABLE; hence, the meanings of X varied, and fit the math theme.” But the fact that you expected X to be the same word/rebus each time shows you’ve played this game before 😊)
It’s LAX not LAXE
The SLOE/LIANG cross was the last to fall for me, and a lot of corners took some brain-burning, but I'll stand up for this one as a whole. Disagree with Fearless Leader on the need for the additional "subsidiary" themers. For my (inflation-adjusted) $0.02, they made the puzzle much more interesting and enjoyable, even at the expense of some ugly fill. Add one more to the BASSOON/BASSSAX pile. Solved just the way I like my late-in-the-week puzzles: A very small number of initial fill-ins, a bunch of tentative guesses, some frustration at isolated sections, and finally, relief. Well done, Vasu!
@Sunvolt 6 am. Why did you wish they WOULD have...? Why didn't you just wish they HAD...??
Sorry, but that is a corruption of grammar that drives me crazy. So illogical and unnecessary to stick a "would" in where it does not belong. I realize that in the last three or so decades it has become so common it may never go away, but aargh.
Same. Then tried “X/kiss” or whatever. Nope. The app is usually pretty liberal about what it accepts for this ambiguous fill-ins, but not today.
SAX is an informal term for a SAXophone. The clue required an ", informally".
Had it been properly clued, nobody would have entered bassoon. That was a low blow.
@Roo-Forgot to mention that we have granddaughter TESSA today. I'm claiming a partial.
@Sam LAX=Lacrosse, short form
X="cross
LA(X)E=LACROSSE
The low reed instrument was obviously a BASSOON, which made me doubt the already entered TILESAW. The BASS SAX is definitely a thing, although I don't think I've ever seen one IRL. All's well that ends, anyway.
This theme was pretty good; I'm sure we had something similar at least once, where the Xs stood for words.
A 24 hour sundial, if there is such a thing, could use XIII etc. But there would be an awful lotta letters on that disc!
I cringe every time I see ARGO clued as the movie, because the script was so misleading. Much historical fiction has this problem, as the writers cannot resist changing the facts to make the story simpler or more sympathetic to a particular bent. From Wikipeida:
"In a CNN interview, former U.S. president Jimmy Carter addressed the controversy:
90% of the contributions to the ideas and the consummation of the plan was Canadian. And the movie gives almost full credit to the American CIA. And with that exception, the movie is very good. But Ben Affleck's character in the film was... only in Tehran a day and a half. And the main hero, in my opinion, was Ken Taylor, who was the Canadian ambassador who orchestrated the entire process."
Affleck's response is typical: "Because we say it's based on a true story, rather than this is a true story, we're allowed to take some dramatic license."
[Spelling Bee: Wed 0, last word this 4er.]
I loved to see EQUATION and VARIABLE in the puzzle. Also DERIVES which is a word often used in math-speak. Loved ISRAEL crossing DEADSEA.
I agree with those who found the Helix/Timespan hard. I couldn't get it. First, there is the miss-direct in the clue for HELIX, in that "figure" sounds like it could be a person's name. Then, there is the fact that the famous figure is a DOUBLE HELIX so once I figured Helix out, I FIGURED that X should be "Times 2". Then the TV show "60 Minutes" came to mind, so I was looking for an abbreviated version of "exposé" as in a show that specializes in exposés. Finally, there was the fact that I didn't get home from the airport until 2:30 am last night, so I'm mighty tired which adds to the difficulty!
All props to the band (and the Long Beach community college writing program) but the lyrics to X's "Los Angeles" are, um, problematic.
Nah. A sax is a woodwind. The name woodwind refers to an instrument whose sound is created by air passing over a surface. In the case of a sax, clarinet, oboe, bassoon, the air passes over a wooden reed and causes it to vibrate/buzz. A flute is also a woodwind because you pass air over a slotted surface to create the sound much like a whistle or a bottle that you blow across.
My problem is that a bass sax is not a thing that I’m aware of. Baritone sax maybe. But I’m happy to wrong. When you’re wrong it means there’s something worth knowing that you didn’t already know!
Well of course I had "bassoon" because a saxophone is not a woodwind, it's a saxophone. (No, previous commenter, it's not a Brass instrument either.) At least this is so to somebody who's spent a lifetime as a writer and editor of orchestral music scores. In a full orchestral score the Saxes go below the winds and above the brass in their own grouping. I notice in the NYTimes puzzle music answers often have the most egregious errors in the cluing. Wonder why that is?
I got the X thing; had no clue "Kiss" is an "x" until I read this. But, as usual, I just blip over these things, not really caring what the X may stand for and generally just find them slightly annoying.
Kinda fun puzzle but agree a bit too easy for Thursday.
@other David – it's not just in the music answers. The Times is an equal-genre-opportunity clue botcher.
According to Wikipedia 'A bass saxophone in C, intended for orchestral use, was included in Adolphe Sax's patent, but few known examples were built. The bass saxophone is not a commonly used instrument, but it is heard on some 1920s jazz recordings, in free jazz, in saxophone choirs and sextets, and occasionally in concert bands and rock music.'
Bass sax is definitely a thing. You rarely see them because they are monsters to move around and not often called for. (Kid is a saxophonist, so we have almost all kinds)
@Okanoganer 1:34 pm. There’s a bigger problem with a 24 hour sundial than having a crowded face. Hint: What is necessary for a SUN dial to operate?
Kinda brought back fond memories of a NYTPuz from 13 July 2017 … by @Lewis dude!
Today's puz also takes us to PARTSX [where X = first word of 38-D clue]. Liked it just fine -- but did indeed seem slightly easy-ish for a ThursPuz. When KISS didn't work for the 14-A answer, SLOE, AGORA & ONHOLD gave m&e EXHORT and the theme ahar moment. And once MATHCLASS was in place, the 59-A revealer about filled itself in.
As a math major, I gotta do this. Sorry, but …
In each case, solve for X:
1. X + 2 = 2X
2. X - 9 = log X
3. X x X = X / X
4. X = M & A
5. X > X
staff weeject pick: ARE. Mainly cuz it had a sorta math-like clue.
other fave stuff: EQUATION/EQUIP. SWEETIE & SELFIE. EQUIP. HELI-KISS. {Motion to strike} & RENTX.
… also, got a nice har out of IIII.
Thanx for the XXXXX-rated solvequest, Mr. Seralathan dude. And congratz on a cool debut.
Masked & Anonymo2Us
**gruntz**
p.s.
1. X = 2
2. X = 10
3. X = 1
4. X = unknown. [Protection from bill collectors]
5. X = almost all quantum physics stuff.
Funny— I got the same message!
I'm in the liked it crowd and thought it was a clever theme. DERIVES can also have a mathematical meaning and could be added to the MATH CLASS, EQUATION, VARIABLE and SOLVE FOR X math-related group.
The math-related theme does unravel a bit when only two of the SOLVEd FOR Xs, TIMES and TEN, are actually math-related. Nothing math-like about KISS, STRIKE or CROSS. Nothing to SCOWL at, though.
Is there another, mini-theme with DEAD SEA, ISRAEL, RABBI and EXILE?
I often bemoan the excessive use of the plural of convenience (POC) in a grid because those POCifying Ss usually add nothing of interest or value to the solve; they are just non-nutritive filler, so to speak. I think too many of them can make for a noticeably less satisfying overall solving experience.
I would use today's grid to support that idea because of its restrained use of POCs. I see only four and they are mostly with single, relatively short entries. There are none of the two for one POCs where a Down and an Across share a final, pluralizing S and none with marquee longer entries or with theme entries. If I may continue the metaphor, I believe that this relative lack of non-nutritive filler makes for a noticeably heartier, more satisfying overall solving experience.
Growing up with A.D. and B.C. I always stumble with CE and BCE🙃
p.p.s.s.
Didn't mean to list EQUIP twice, in the fave stuff. Don't wanna over-equip.
Shoulda said this, for X-solvin problem #3:
3. X = 1, or X = -1. [Been a while, since M&A had to think much about negative numbers.]
M&Also
@egs 3:42 pm... the only real difference for a 24 hour sundial would be the letters in the labels; the numbers after XII would be XIII, XIV, XV instead of I, I, III.
Anyway, don't forget in the polar regions there is 24 hour daylight in the summer so all of the numbers on the sundial, whatever they are, would be needed. I guess the V to XXI would be needed in the mid latitudes, and only the V to XIX in the tropics.
had SPAN for the longest time. 60 minutes is a SPAN of time. that left me at the end with HELIS as the noted figure which seemed as good a last name as any...but i knew something had to be mucked up in that corner so i started counting Xs. realized i was one short and threw it in but had to come to the blog for the explanation. same with RENT [strike], i filled it in with crosses but i couldn't make heads or tails of it. that one at least, needs the "X" so it makes sense, whereas SPAN works fine enough on its own so that one is...not so great, imho.
the thursday hunt for the weirdness did not disappoint, but agree with rex that the rest of the overall fill was a bit...yikes.
@Anon 9:36am you've never seen the signoff on cards and whatnot, XOXO (kisses and hugs)? [genuinely curious.] i had the same exact thought about a scientist named HELIS, tho!
Thanks for the explanation about why IV might be IIII on some clocks; absolutely makes sense!
The wailing wall, also known as the west wall, is in occupied East Jerusalem, a Palestinian territory, not in Israel. Would we accept Russia as the location of occupied Ukrainian territory?
Best puzzle no matter the day in a long time. Lets all not sweat the small nits.
Thanks for talking about the real Tehran rescue story; I cringed too.
DERIVES is also a theme answer, as is OVER (or at least the clue for it is)
@Son Volt wrote: " Connect all the Xs and you get one big X. "
Wonderful catch! Indeed, the 5 "X" lie on two intersecting diagonals.
I wasn't overly fond of the solve experience; I prefer my Thursday's much chewier. I pretty much resolved the "X" fills after completing them through the crosses. Solved in that fashion, this grid was among my more speedier Thursday fills.
Got my kicks in parsing the "X"s. All were pleasing except the thud from the rather generic cluing for "X"SPAN.
@M&A -- Good memory!
This answer has nothing to do with that. Lax is shorthand commonly used by players and fans. LAXE is here as part of the gimmick referring to the original word with CROSS replaced by X. The e needs to be there to complete the word and to be consistent with the gimmick.
Someone earlier complained that this one is confusing because of the shorthand. The odds are the constructor and editors were totally unaware of lax.
Fun and breezy for a Thursday (for me). I too struggled with Xpan and didn't understand it until I came here. Only other issue was I had OHSA instead of OSHA, which made 7D seem goofy.Oh well. Rent Stike was the first themer I got, so I thought the theme might be labor oriented, but instead it was math.
I found the puzzle to be irritating and not at all fun. And wailing wall is an offensive term and I thought no longer acceptable.
@Mike in Bed-Stuy - I’m also a New York Jew. I, too, grew up hearing it called the Wailing Wall, which is not surprising in our Christian-dominant society. (Even in a place like New York, we’re still vastly outnumbered by Christians.) It was more recently that I learned the history of the term and the derogatory connotations.
Society is slowly but steadily learning to not use language that has offensive connotations to the people being referred to. I also grew up hearing people of Asian called “Oriental”, but we know better now. Saying “I grew up hearing…” seems like a weak defense of a term.
My intent is not to shame anyone here (though I do intend to shame Will Shortz), but rather to try to provide information to those who might not know it.
@Europa 5:01 PM - ikr?!
This was a very good, clever, imaginative puzzle as so many have already commented on. Enough said. Brilliant.
Have to go with a DNF on this one, because of the NE themer. No sundial I ever saw wrote 4 as IIII. It is, of course, IV. They don't do XIII, either, unless they are props in Orwell's "1984," in which the clocks were striking thirteen. But the answer to 13d seemed to be just SPAN--sounded perfectly reasonable to me, and that left a vacant square at 12, which I filled with an X and a shrug. Who knew, maybe in some incarnation of X, you could make a genetic researcher's name out of HELXS. Anyway, MATH is not really my thing.
Wordle par.
VARIABLE CRED
HELEN would SNEAKIN to MATHCLASS,
a SWEETIE who could SOLVEFORX,
TEN TIMES OVER she said, "KISS my ass!
I'm CROSS and it DERIVES from BASSSAX."
--- ELSA OLIN
tessa? Who?
oh well
it's Thursday
not into X
Diana, LIW
Lots of math haters on this blog! Rex is the leader of the pack, but then again, he thinks the plane that took him from New York to New Zealand and back was designed and built by Chaucer and Stan Lee.
:-)
I like math, ergo I liked the puzzle.
For those complaining about the SAXophone shortening, it's Thursday, no handholding allowed.
So airx would be an air hug. Xo =hugs and kisses not kisses and hugs. I believe the x represents crossed arms in an embrace and the O is for puckered lips. Air hugs aren’t really a thing. Fun puzzle though
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