Linguist Okrand who created Klingon / SAT 12-25-21 / Model and body positivity activist Holliday / Something suddenly fashionable / Sarcastic response to an attempt at intimidation / Subject of some MK-Ultra experiments / Units equal to 10 micronewtons

Saturday, December 25, 2021

Constructor: Johan Vass

Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: 12D: Dulcé SLOAN (12D: Dulcé ___, correspondent for "The Daily Show" beginning in 2017) —
Dulcé Lazaria Sloan
 (born July 4, 1983) is an American stand-up comedian, actress and writer. She is a correspondent for The Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. [...] In 2015, she was named a "New Face of Comedy" at the Just For Laughs comedy festival and won the 12th annual StandUp NBC comedy showcase. Her late-night comedy debut followed on Conan in February 2016. A few months later, she won the 2016 Big Sky Comedy Festival in Billings, Montana. Additional TV appearances followed on Comedy Knockout, The Steve Harvey Show., @midnight with Chris Hardwick, and as a correspondent for E! News Daily. Sloan joined The Daily Show as a correspondent in September 2017. Her Comedy Central Stand-Up Presents episode aired in October 2019.  // In voice work, Sloan is the voice of Honeybee in the Fox animated sitcom The Great North[ and has been a panelist on the radio show Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!. (wikipedia)
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OWW
is not a [Pained expression]. It is astonishing to me that you can be so creative in your grid design, so attentive to your au courant fill, and then blow it all on a three-letter atrocity. It's bad enough that I have to accept EWW (eww!) as a crossword answer, with its wholly arbitrary double-W; but now, having forced me to reluctantly accept EWW, you go and write a clue that suggests EWW, with an answer that ends in two "W"s, but that ... is not EWW? Instead, it's ... OWW. OWW. OWW? Hey, you know how I know that OWW is absolutely not a thing at all at all (at all)? Guess how many times OWW has been in the puzzle. Guess. Go on, guess. Guess. OK, are you thinking of a number? Is that number zero? Because zero is correct. Zero times before today. LOL, you debuted OWW!?!?! What is the opposite of "Congratulations"? Here we have this big, open grid filled with often quite interesting answers, but because you all thought you were gonna make OWW happen, we are talking about nothing but OWW. Well, I'm talking about nothing but OWW. And you wanna know why? See, it's not just because it's awful, which it is. Awful on its own is just awful. A passing blight. You look at it, wince, and move on. But today, because of where OWW is placed, it creates some real solve-wrecking potential. If, like me, you think the only acceptable -WW [Pained expression] is EWW (which, again, to be clear, before today, was 100% true), then you end up with PHO-E APPS at 1A: Things you might snap on, nowadays. And if you don't absolutely know that the [Model and body positivity activist Holliday] is TESS (I did not absolutely know that), then the combination of your certainty about EWW and the complete plausibility of PHONE APPS is going to carry the day. Nevermind that, in retrospect, TESS Holliday is a more plausible name than NESS Holliday (or Holliday NESS, I guess). We wouldn't be here, I wouldn't be here, if it weren't for OWW, which, again, is a fake non-thing that is fake. EWW is the only -WW [Pained expression] with precedent, PHONE APPS was plausible, so that was what won out. You can't invent [Pained expression]s, and you have to be super duper ultra careful about the *names* you use in a puzzle, *especially* if you're using them around invented [Pained expression]s. I no longer care that you got your cute THE NEW BLACK in the puzzle, or that I love Donna Summer. All the good vibes are gone. All I can see, all I can feel at the end of this solve is OWW


This puzzle is way too fond of names, especially current names. The things about names of the past is the past is more or less accessible to all of us, whereas the present, our present, with its heavily segmented and ensiloed popular culture, is a lot harder to get at if the proper nouns in question are not right up your damn alley. So ELENA DELLE DONNE is famous, for sure (not least because Erik Agard was wearing her jersey when he won the American Crossword Puzzle Tournament a while back), but her name is from Mars if you don't follow the WNBA (which it's very easy not to do, as it is with any sports league, and easier now than ever, given, again, the near complete eradication of any "common" culture in the internet era ... you used to know things just by being alive, because they were in the air, whether you wanted to know them or not; that "in the air" quality is harder to gauge now). Dulcé SLOAN is a cool new name, but that's gonna stump lots of people, including people who have watched "The Daily Show," tbh. Jason MOMOA is a star, but you can see how the pop culture density is rising with each of these names. And then there's the MARC clue, which is just self-indulgent (23D: Linguist Okrand who created Klingon = MARC) (?). No reason anyone should know that. Clue may as well just be [Man's name]. KEITEL was very much up my alley, and RAIMI, same, but again, you're really JAMPACKing names in today. Getting your difficulty primarily from know-em-or-you-don't trivia risks alienating solvers, and creating a less entertaining solving experience. You end up simply knowing (or not knowing) things instead of *figuring things out*, which is the more fun aspect of solving. Again, to be very clear—none of the names I've mentioned in this paragraph (except that Klingon guy, bah), including TESS (whom I've seen before, actually), are in and of themselves a problem. Individually, they are all grid-worthy. The problem is the careless spewing of so many names, all from a fairly narrow slice of very contemporary pop culture. It's a matter of balance, and careful handling.


"OOH, I'M SCARED" should really be "OOH, I'M SO SCARED!" if it wants to be properly sarcastic, so though I love the instinct there, the actual execution was a thud for me (31A: Sarcastic response to an attempt at intimidation). See also OH EM GEE, which is horrendous. I get that you want to be cute with your exclamation turned text-clamation turned back into "words," but no one in history has written OH EM GEE anywhere until I wrote it just now. Yeesh. SLEEVELESS DRESS made me LOL because it's the most conspicuous desperation 15, an answer that says "holy shit I'm trying to stack 15s what do I do what do I do ooh I know, all 1-point Scrabble tiles, yes perfect!" THE NEW BLACK and SHORTS WEATHER were great, though "spring" here in central NY is way Way too cold, generally for shorts (well, if you're old like me it is). JAMPACK and GODFORBID make another nice little stack. The shape of the grid is very cool. It reminds me of a rotary phone. I was briefly worried there was going to be an actual phone theme. But no. Just the cool shape. So there was a lot to like here. But again, to reiterate and sum up: OWW

Merry Christmas and/or Happy Saturday!

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. didn't know what MK-Ultra was so I looked it up just now and, oof, it's grim (28A: Subject of some MK-Ultra experiments). Not sure "illegal human experimentation" is really the vibe you want to put out there on Christmas Day, but everyone celebrates in their own way, I guess...

P.P.S. just snuck a look at my wife's completed puzzle, and guess what? Total. Vindication:


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135 comments:

Joaquin 6:13 AM  

To my fellow xword fans who celebrate today - Merry Christmas. And to those (like me) who do not - enjoy the Chinese food!

Ann Howell 6:22 AM  

Totally fell into the PHONE APPS trap, which annoying held me up for several minutes trying to get the solve jingle... anyway, merry Christmas, all!

Conrad 6:23 AM  


A real PPP-fest today, as @Rex pointed out. I needed Sergey and Larry to help with the WNBA MVP, and I don't care. I had the SCARED part of 31A and lost a lot of time figuring out why I'M SO didn't fit in the first part. Liked the 15A clue ("Writer whose initials, when doubled, become another answer in this puzzle") for T.S. Eliot.

JOHN X 6:31 AM  

The next time I watch a WNBA game will be the first time I watch a WNBA game.

Also, does anybody care about The Daily Show anymore? No, they do not is the correct answer.

I woke up early this Christmas morning and I had no idea where I was. I was lying in bed with some sleeping chick (God I hope it was a chick) and went all over that apartment quietly gathering up my clothes. They were everywhere. I took forty dollars out of her purse (where I also found my wallet) and took an Uber to the hospital and convinced them to give me IV morphine and a lot of it, which helped to erase any lingering memories.

Fortunately, a friend of mine was visiting a mutual friend of ours who got shot last night, and he said that in my driveway there was a Lexus with a big bow on it addressed to me, so I got that to look forward to when the morphine wears off.

That’s all man. Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate.

Lewis 6:46 AM  

So, just as a reminder, Johan is Swedish; English is not his first language. His first NYT puzzle was a Sunday last April, where a needle was “hidden” in a “haystack”. I was impressed with his debut, but today’s puzzle sealed the deal. This is a constructor to watch, and I believe, to enjoy.

Here we have a grid with a pleasing design, no junk, three terrific stacks, a bit of humor (with the TSETSE abutting T.S. ELIOT), and a touch of audacity (OOH I’M SCARED, and OH EM GEE). The combination of clues and answers were Saturday worthy, IMO, making for an involving untanglement. All in all, and I’m not sure how he did it, Johan’s personality came shining through, and that’s a sign of a quality puzzlemaker.

SHORTS WEATHER and that SLEEVELESS DRESS got me happily thinking about warmer weather, and those two pyramidal and rectangular stacks could be said to be PLINTH shaped. My favorite find was that marvelous cross of JAM PACK and a backward CRAM. It took me a bit to untie the bow on this one, but once I did, the cornucopia of gifts overflowed.

Thank you, Johan, for a puzzle that left me smiling – and to all here, may this Christmas day bring rays of happiness from all directions!

Anonymous 6:53 AM  

Although Festivus is the 23rd, @Rex is airing his grievances today in celebration. Bring on the feats of strength!

Z 7:18 AM  

Why is the Liberty Bell in my puzzle?

Despite Rex’s rant, the PPP comes in at 18 of 61 for 29%. Not unusually high. But that denominator- ouch. With just 61 answers any 15 letter grid spanning name is going to have an outsized impact. I couldn’t name any specific MVP from any league and lately all the WNBA hype has been Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi. As a result I had no chance on DELLE DONNE. MOMOA I know more from memes than any role he’s ever been in, but the MCU is ubiquitous so the name has gotten lodged. Director Sam is going to be RAIMI (unless it’s Peckinpah). No chance on TESS Holliday (although I really hope she uses “huckleberry” in every day speech). I did think putting Dulcé SLOAN in the puzzle was sweet. We did have a little balance in the PPP, but what a frigging odd clue for TS ELIOT. Yeah Yeah, we’ve all noticed that his initials are TSE and the TSE TSE fly is ese, but how reductionist is that? Let’s ignore the person’s œuvre and just tease him about his initials?

No SW corner to cause massive nanosecond sucks, so a pretty typical Saturday edging towards the challenging.

Have a great Holiday everyone.

mmbeitlermd 7:20 AM  

And let's not forget that one does not snap on an app to open it, one clicks on or opens an app. This is just intentionally misleading cluing.

Shirley F 7:25 AM  

Regarding MKULTRA:

Project MKULTRA was the CIA’s secret and illegal mind control research program. It operated from 1953 to 1973. Often using front organizations, the program conducted research at over 80 institutions, mainly universities, hospitals, and prisons. People were subjected to drugs, chemicals, hypnosis, sexual abuse, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, isolation, and other methods of torture. CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed in 1973, and the program might never have been acknowledged except for one thing: four years later a cache of 8,000 pages of records (that had been incorrectly filed) was discovered.

Most of the subject were unwitting or, such as prisoners, had no choice. Willing participants included Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber; mobster, murderer, and FBI informant James “Whitey” Bulger; and Ken Kesey. It should be noted that the “willing” participants likely didn’t realize what they were signing up for.

For more detail see the report of the Church Committee: Project MKULTRA, the CIA’s program of Research in Behavioral Modification, Joint Hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, United States Senate, 95th Congress, First Session, August 3, 1977 (available online).

Interesting to think that had the cache not been filed incorrectly, MKULTRA victims describing what had been done to them would have been considered conspiracy theorists or paranoid nuts.

The older i get the more surprised I am at how many events in what seems to me recent US history aren't known. Something as horrific as MKULTRA ought to be taught in school as a warning of what can happen when government agencies are allowed to operate without adequate oversight and in clear violation of their charters.

(Anyone interested in more of my research into and radical perspective on "recent" historical events is directed to my website, www.necessarystorms.com)

Anonymous 7:31 AM  

The OWW clue is even worse than Rex said, because I had PHONE APPS instead of PHOTO APPS and therefore had NESS instead of TESS. Given that I'd never heard of "body positivity activism" let alone anyone who professed to be such an activist, why not 'Ness Holiday'? Otherwise, this was tough but fair. But that was a baddie.

Anonymous 7:36 AM  

mmbeitlermd: I think the word 'SNAP' relates to 'snapping a photo' not opening the app itself.

Anonymous 7:38 AM  

I think the snap in the clue was referring to pictures (snapshots), not clicking on the app itself.

O. C. de Sorder 7:39 AM  

A paragraph comprising 455 words about a single three letter answer.

Wow.

Seriously. Wow.

Teedmn 7:49 AM  

So cORaL looks a wee bit like a sponge and it is delicate so...I thought a domestic cAt image might have been carved in a 25000 BCE tusk.

I cleaned that up due to POOLS but it was touch-and-go there for a while.

When I had “halts” in at 36D, I was trying to remember a high school clique that started with H.

Otherwise, this took me about the same time as yesterday's and except for Dulcé and Elena, pretty smooth.

Thanks, Johan Vass!

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate.

SouthsideJohnny 7:51 AM  

I enjoyed the little gimmick with they played with TS ELIOT and TSE TSE (now, put it away and never use it again). Kind of a dated clue for THE NEW BLACK - très passé, n’est pas ? I also learned a little bit about the MK-Ultra project - your tax dollars at work. At least the government wasn’t mailing anthrax to its citizens that time.

How cool is it that Rex basically devoted his entire post today to what - Complaining about a MADE UP WORD ! OMG (I mean OH EM GEE) - where has he been for the last 2-3 years. It’s pretty much an every day occurrence. We could even give out an award for it, lol.

I always enjoy stopping by on a Saturday to attempt to figure out what planets some of the answers originated on. Great (non) stuff like RAIMI, MOMOA, PLINTH, OHEMGEE, and of course the much heralded OWW - are all headliners today.

Seasons greetings, I hope every one of us has a safe and enjoyable Holiday Season.



Anonymous 8:09 AM  

@Rex, why not enable "likes" on the comments?

Arthur Hauser 8:10 AM  

There are 23 pope Johns.

Georgia 8:24 AM  

I think he means one "snaps" a picture with a photo app.

Frantic Sloth 8:29 AM  

Cripes! Stop and go and stop and go.
And it was still quicker than yesterday's.

If you could muddle your way through the PPP, there was a lot to like here.
THENEWBLACK, OOHIMSCARED, OHEMGEE, and more.

TSE TSE TSE?
Sure - why not? So it sounds vaguely like a Yiddish utterance for warding away evil. Big deal.

I like PLINTHS. It sounds like it has no business being a word, but doesn't care what anybody thinks, so it's just gonna go ahead and PLINTH right in your face and tough teddies.

A nice challenging gift for Christmas.
Hope you all have a wonderful day!


🧠🧠🧠.5
🎉🎉🎉

amyyanni 8:32 AM  

Well, okay. Appreciate this but didn't spark joy. How I feel about the author Pete Dexter. Of course, one of the cats managed to get shut in a closet since about 4 am (insomnia, or Christmas excitement) so when I heard her mewling around 7 am, leapt out of bed to get her and comfort her which awoke the partner who is now cranky at me.
So am hoping to get to a Happy Saturday, don't know about the Christmas part. And the cat is still having nothing to do with me. Best wishes to everyone, may nothing cross you up until tomorrow's puzzle.

Son Volt 8:33 AM  

Weird grid - I guess going for a Christmas tree look? It’s not the density of trivia that gloms this thing up - but placement and how it’s used. To waste a grid spanner on spelling out anyone’s full name is weak - add the obscure MARC and SLOAN and it just feels overwhelming. I guess I could include the full spelling of TS ELIOT also - but I’m assuming the constructor was going for the playful stack with TSE TSE which I thought was cool.

Liked the center stack - no issue with OOH IM SCARED. I took the clue for PHOTO APPS to have a connection to Snap Chat. Agree with Rex on the unfortunate OH EM GEE and that entire triple stack on the bottom - all those E’s in SLEEVELESS DRESS do make the crossings easier to build.

In the end I had a decent solve with this one. We have cold and icy rain this morning so I’m not sure how I feel about the inclusion of SHORTS WEATHER in a Christmas Day puzzle. I think Mary Gauthier had it right

Johnny Mic 8:50 AM  

It was a slog, but I made it. Also had PHONEAPPS and NESS. OWW, didn't bother me, seems like a thing I'd say if I were in pain. I also thought it was a little heavy on kinda obscure names, but the crosses seemed fair. I've never heard of a plinth before, so that northwest corner was a challenge. Felt hard but only a little bit unfair.

kitshef 8:52 AM  

I only know “jumper” as a sweater, so definitely learned something today with SLEEVELESS DRESS. Googling images, what appears is what I would call a “pinafore”.

It was a good challenge for a Saturday. Faster than yesterday, but finished with a DNF at PHOne APPS/nESS/eWW. No way I was getting out of that, not knowing TESS.

Fun fact: most of the Breakfast Club actors were in their 20s. Clue refers to the characters, so is OK.

Hand up for GO poStal before GO INSANE.

SHORTS WEATHER = anything freezing, provided it is not too windy.

kitshef 8:52 AM  

P.S. Rex's review completely nailed it, today.

J. M. Bergoglio 8:52 AM  

ARTHUR HAUSER (8:10 AM)

Actually, even though the most recent Pope John was John XXIII. there were actually only 21 Pope Johns. due to a couple of odd occurences in counting during the middle ages.

The person who took the title John XVI was not a legitimate pope - he is commonly referred to as the anti-pope who tried to established an alternative rule, but was never recognized The number was not reused when the next legitimate John took office, choosing instead to be John XVII

For strange and complicated reasons, the number XX was never used - so there was a jump from John XIX to John XXI.

So subtract one illegitimate pope and one number in the sequence never used, andyou have 21 Popes named John.

bocamp 8:58 AM  

Thx Johan; very crunchy, challenging Sat. puz!

Very hard (approx the same toughness as yd's; over 4x my normal Sat., and not done yet).

Thot I was clever getting the NE in a flash, and most of the central area fairly quickly; then everything went downhill fast. Very tough SW, and a seemingly impossible NW. Didn't help that I had 'lamb' crossing 'mica' and 'bee'. Didn't know the Donna Summers hit, but finally settled with ON THE RADIO, so at least had that to work with. After about an hr., I finally decided to get rid of everything except the hit song, and start over. Installed PITA, then ANY, TALC and Bob was my uncle.

Still, I finished with an error and will spend some time trying to suss it out. I suspect the WNBA star may have something to do with it. ⛹️‍♀️

Nevertheless, there was a whole lot to love about this beauty! Not only was it a major test, but it's got some awesome fill, e.g., OH EM GEE (for OMG), THE NEW BLACK, SHORTS WEATHER, PLINTHS, JAM PACK, OOH I'M SCARED, MEGA CORPORATION, SLEEVELESS DRESS, GOD FORBID, ON THE RADIO.

Enjoying ever minute of this crucible; hoping to get the mix right. :)

@okanaganer (4:12 PM yd) 👍 for 0

I missed the first, but lucked out on the second; also, missed this one.

Writing this on Xmas eve. It's snowing in Vancouver, BC, and Xmas day is expected to see a good dump.

White Christmas ~ Bing Crosby(1942) Original Version

Spent some Xmas's in Hawaii, so there's this: Mele Kalikimaka ~ Bing Crosby

Happy Holidays everyone! ☃️

PS just had a quick look-see before retiring for the nite: had DEVIATeR, in lieu of DEVIATOR. All is good! 😴 🙏
___

yd 0

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

kitshef 8:59 AM  

@Z 7:18 -Jason MOMOA is known for a lot of things, from the Baywatch reboot to Game of Thrones to Aquaman to Dune, but he has not been in any MCU stuff.

TJS 9:01 AM  

"the vibe you want to put out there on Christmas Day" ??? Sounds like Rexxie got a lump of coal in his stocking this morning. Geez, Louise.

When something hurts, you say "Ow", or if you want to drag it out, "Oww". It is an expression of pain. What is the problem ?

And the guy who gives every Rap star pretend-spelling a pass has a problem with Elena Delle Donne.

Merry Christmas, ya big Scrooge.

Decent puzzle, but apperently it was too much trouble to give us a Christmas theme. Hope you all have a Happy Holiday.

Anonymous 9:16 AM  

Not much to say for a puzzle that I finish with the answer MEGACORPORATION. Ugh.

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 9:20 AM  

Yeesh. I swang through this and filled in nothing bu ARES and a couple of esses. Decided I had better ways to spend Christmas day. Coming here, I see that somewhere I missed TSELIOT, sorry to have missed that.

A cold coming we had of it,
Just the worst time of the year
For a journey, and such a long journey:
The ways deep and the weather sharp,
The very dead of winter.'

At the end we preferred to travel all night,
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.

Keith D 9:26 AM  

Nice “vibe” you offered for Christmas Day, Rex. Just an awful awful blog today. Christmas Day. Ugh.

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

Pope John XXIII initiated the Second Vatican Council - so how can there only be 21 popes with the name John?

Mike G 9:34 AM  

I guess I've been naughty because this puzzle was like coal in my stocking.

Anonymous 9:40 AM  

In addition to Ness/Tess Holliday, I had TAMPS instead of TAMES, so I had PLENA DELLE DONNE, which sounded like a reasonable name to me. As was pointed out earlier, it's not just the quantity of PPP, it's the placement and the ambiguity of the crosses.

JD 9:40 AM  

Huge coincidence. I said to the my tailor the other day when he held up my slacks and asked about how short, "O, hem, gee I don't know, 2 inches?" Oww.

And I liked the Storm Trooper grid art but it was Jam-Pack(ED) with stuff I was never going to get. Sure I knew Abet, Plastic Bag, Schlep, Keitel, Roses, and Tend. Got the TS Eliot/Tsetse thing. Clever (not me, the constructor). To the left of that stack, nothing. I got some things on the Storm Trooper's nose Jam-Pack, God Forbid, Johns, Rhino, Gives.

Below that Teens, All, ATMs, Sleeveless Dress.

No party favors, more brains than I have. But the Millennials are coming for dinner today and I'm going to see if they can do it.

Nice job John Vass. Super proud that I knew Peen.

Anonymous 9:48 AM  

I had PHONE APPS crossing EWW for a long, long time---nearly a fail because of a ridiculous clue/answer.

Rich Glauber 9:56 AM  

I'm not quite clear on it, was Rex unhappy with the OWW answer?
Tough puzzle, quite a challenge.

pabloinnh 9:56 AM  

A quick initial scan of this one told me that there were a LOT of names I wasn't going to know, and it all looked pretty hopeless. I started with TEND, as I caught the "bars" reference, and thought, oh oh, it's going to be one of those. But some letters here and there and long experience with acrostics helped fill in the longer entries, and thank goodness for Ms. DELLEDONNA. That's such a wonderful-sounding name that you hear it once and don't forget it. Plus, she can PLAY.

So it came to pass that I finished this beast and felt pretty proud of myself, which is about the only Christmas present this year, as we continue to cut down on the amount of stuff in our lives, and that's fine.

Hey @Southside, what's with the foreign stuff?

Raining and freezing here, mucho ice all over everything, and right now it's not safe to drive the five minutes to my son's house for Christmas morning stuff. Hope it warms up or gets tended to by this afternoon--dinner plans.

Tough stuff, JV. OWW, was my first thought, but Jubilant Victory was the end result, so thanks for some hard-earned fun.

Have a happy y'all. Stay safe out there.

Nancy 9:59 AM  
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Nancy 10:04 AM  

Even if I hadn't cheated on ELENADELLEDONNE (a truly DOOK-y lady), I would have had a DNF because I had, and left in, PHOne APPS. Rex's long rant on OWW today was not in the least overblown. I had EWW which was only marginally better, but still... And could that model have been nESS Holiday? Why the hell not? What with the DOOK-y lady and MOMOA, whoever the bleep that is, and OHEMGEE (one of the most awful answers I've ever seen in my life), nESS was as possible as TESS in this puzzle.

Why are POOLS "cannonball targets"? Dulce SLOAN?? So much unknowable trivia. Cheat or die, I say!

(BTW, can I coin this as the new Natick and kealoa? A "C or D" puzzle? "Cheat or die"?)

Of course this puzzle was very crunchy, gave me a lot to think about, and I did love it in many places. THE NEW BLACK. SHORTS WEATHER. SLEEVELESS DRESS. It had some very good moments. Too bad it had so many bad ones.

TJS 10:06 AM  

At least @John X gave us a lovely Christmas moment.

jazzmanchgo 10:07 AM  

Actually, Donna Summer's ON THE RADIO made its chart debut in January of 1980, NOT 1979.

JD 10:13 AM  

@Nancy, In a Cannonball, you jump up in the air, fold your legs up, whip your arms around them and splash into the pool. The pool is not a target. It's right there in front of you. But I'm not bitter. Repeat not bitter, not bitter ...

Z 10:13 AM  

@kitshef - What next? Are you going to try tell me that Superman and Batman and Harry Potter and Jason Bourne and James Bond aren’t part of the MCU? With all this multiverse nonsense I keep hearing about I fully expect Spiderman and Thor to show up in the new Macbeth movie.

Randolph Schein 10:18 AM  

"Oww" is indeed a VERBAL expression of pain.

Unknown 10:20 AM  

@ Keith D 9:26 If you haven't sussed it out yet, rex's comments usually cast a negative spell on the morning. Today was certainly no exception. I have to read Lewis's comments to get back into a good frame of mind.

Like many of you, I too had PHONEAPPS, with the NESS crossing. So a DNF, but I enjoyed the challenge.

It's not the percentage of names in the puzzle (despite Z's supposed and arbitrary "formula" to the contrary), it's the amount of space they control. And I can see that a WNBA superstar might be a problem for many unless they follow sports. But I give kudos to the constructor for celebrating a female athlete.

My final gripe (see how rex puts me in a surly mood?!): he either complains that the puzzle is stale and skews 1990, or else he whines that too many of the names are "new" and possibly unfamiliar to solvers. Some folks are just never happy. I wish there were another blog out there without the miserable shtick. Which reminds me, I loved SCHLEP.

Birchbark 10:22 AM  

Last night we lit the MOREL-shaped beeswax candles on the coffee table and opened presents. I had been hinting around for some new boot socks and scored two pairs.

@J.M. Bregoglio (8:52) -- Thanks for explaining the XXI Pope JOHNS -- restores my faith in Random Roman numerals. I had the same John-XXIII-raised-eyebrow moment others have noted here.

@Greater Fall River (9:20) -- Very nice poem. I sense they weren't wearing good boot socks -- a decent pair can make you downright cheerful in the winter blast.

I don't know ELENA DELLE DONNE, but I like saying her name.

Mr. Benson 10:26 AM  

Sorry, Rex, that you’ve never encountered “OH EM GEE,” but I certainly have. If anything it was played out by a couple of years ago. Your ignorance is not a shortcoming of the puzzle.

Jim Marsalis 10:27 AM  

12 Across could be shirtsleeve weather,,
but there is only one bank for the sleeve, leaving it sleeveless.

jberg 10:34 AM  

Brutal. I just gave up and looked up ELENA DELLE DONNE, TESS, MOMOA, & KEITEL. I would have got Harvey K. with a few crosses, but no idea about that movie, and I didn't have any crosses because I thought ball PEEN was too ridiculous to be a fill-in-the-blank answer. Also, I one point I'd started to put COmpanies in the 46A answer, and had left the M in, making the only conceivable sponge-like delicacy a camEL. I'll just have to chalk this one up to experience.

On the bright side, since I cheated on her name, I didn't fall into the TESS trap.

@kitshef, jumpers are sweaters throughout the English-speaking world, I think, except here in the USA. My sister had a lot of jumpers when she was young, which helped me a lot with this puzzle. I first encountered the other use while visiting Australia, and did a double-take every time I heard it. I think I've got it down now.

@Nancy, my reactions paralleled yours, almost completely -- except for the cannonball. It's a kind of dive where you grip your knees and make your body into the shape of a sphere in order to produce the biggest possible splash. I don't think it's in the Olympics, but it's a lot of fun when you're a kid and a lot of adults are sigging near the POOL.

Cheating on TESS kept me away from PHOneAPPS, but I almost went with PHOTO oPPS, even though that's one P too many for the expression.

Merry Christmas to all, whatever you celebrate!

Carola 10:39 AM  

I'm with @Rex on medium-challenging, especially at the start; then there was some smooth unfurling...and some snags along the way. I enjoyed matching wits with the constructor, loved SHORTS WEATHER, got disgruntled with name-overload. First in: TSETSE x PLASTIC BAG; last: MOMOA x POOLS.

Help from previous puzzles: RAIMI, MOMOA. No idea: SLOAN, ON THE RADIO, MARC, ELENA DELLE DONNE, TESS.

Happy day to all who are celebrating!

mmorgan 10:45 AM  

98% what Rex said. There were some great answers here, but way too many People I’ve Never Heard Of. Not wordplay, not stuff you play with and figure out, just names of People I’ve Never Heard of, and with several plausible choices (see Ness/Tess, and Phone/Photo, among others). Some of this was great but…

Whatsername 10:45 AM  

OH EM GEE! And I thought yesterday was tough! This was a MEGA challenge for my poor overtaxed overshopped overwrapped overbaked overcooked overorganized brain this morning. OWW! (OMG! Rex is right about that one.) What GIVES with all the Proper names? I need an ALLY and I need one now. Interesting grid design though.

In these here parts we consider the sighting of the first MOREL to be the most welcome sign of spring. Nom nom!! It does need to be warm for them to appear but we’ll be out there tromping around in our boots and a flannel shirts if necessary. SHORTS WEATHER is for city folk.

Feliz Navidad, Mele Kalikimaka, joyeux Noël and all that. However you say it and whatever you celebrate, wishing all of you all the best.



JD 10:50 AM  

Oww - Urban Dictionaryhttps://www.urbandictionary.com › define › term=Oww
means 'Watch Out!' except 'wich oww' is usually exclaimed loudly and obnoxiously in a high voice. is usually used to tell someone to watch out for stupid things ...

ow
/ou/
exclamation
used to express sudden pain.
"Ow! You're hurting me!"

Pete 10:54 AM  


I stubbed my toe this morning, and I can attest that none of OW,OWW, or EWW are appropriate expressions of pain. An appropriate expression of pain involves judgemental assertions of one's parentage, along with assertions of inappropriate familial sexual activity.

I don't know where I fit into Joaquin's celebrate / don't celebrate distinction. I normally celebrate the sybaritic aspect of Xmas, not quite like John X but not too differently, but not this year. Seems some jackass thought it appropriate to knowingly expose my wife to covid three days before Xmas. Due to our precautions we're almost certainly OK, but not certain enough to risk exposure to a bunch of 90+yo ladies. So, dinner with friends, brunch with family cancelled. Thanks to some dumb ass who just tested positive the day before and was about to walk into a Home Depot mask-less. Because fuck everyone else.

Merry Xmas and peace on earth.

puzzlehoarder 10:56 AM  

I can't believe everyone isn't talking about the obvious phone shape of today's grid. The constructor says it was pure coincidence but then again he has PHONIC at 1D. The fact that so many were misdirected to PHONE for 1A is even more ironic. I had no trouble there myself but at one point I did consider PHONY supported by YOW. That could be an expression of pain but eWW? It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who can be blind to the obvious.

This was a average Saturday for me so a little more than 20 minutes faster than yesterday. I filled in the left half of the receiver then filled in the base to finish with the right half of the receiver.

Great word play with TSELIOT and TSETSE. It's surprising no one has thought of it until now.

Merry Christmas to all.

yd -0

Joaquin 10:59 AM  

Of all the four-letter words that could answer the clue "Ball ____" (game, girl, park, club, itch - to cite a few), PEEN would be my last choice.

Liveprof 11:05 AM  

Nice to see AM/FM right next to RADIO. Loved SCHLEP too. And SLEEVELESS DRESSES and SHORTS WEATHER on a gloomy day in Jersey? -- We can dream.

Newboy 11:06 AM  

OWW, OOH and OH EM GEE Johan!

To present this present on 12/25 was as uplifting as a TSELIOT poem— though certainly no Wasteland as grids go. I felt at times I’d GO INSANE or need to check my PHOneAPP or lick an LSD tab to solve, but GOD FORBID using such a MAP on this arduous journey. At any rate, thanks for the trip Johan!

mathgent 11:06 AM  

Feliz Navidad, everyone!

My fully vaxxed and boosted daughter and her husband just came down with Covid symptoms and cancelled the family party they were going to host. The Closer and I will watch Love, Actually and have a big piece of lemon meringue pie here at home.

So that's what a HERTZ is.

I also Naticked on PHOTOAPPS/TESS/OWW, but, since I solve on paper, the computer didn't bother me about it.

I'm surprised that Shortz ran such a bland puzzle on a day when lots of people are likely to be looking at it.

Another Anon 11:07 AM  

@Anonymous 9:40. Do you know many people named PLENA?

JC66 11:11 AM  

Finished this in 2/3s the time as yesterday's. DNF, but just change the clue to 4D to Loch or Elliot and PHOne APPS works fine.

Unknown 11:13 AM  

DNF because PHONEAPPS

Nancy 11:13 AM  

Thanks for the POOLS explanation, @JD and @jberg. The cannonball sounds like a dive that you might unfortunately end up doing by accident, but should certainly never do on purpose. It might cause a great big OWW.

As you know, I write lyrics and light verse. Aand for years I've been fretting that there's nothing I can rhyme with "belladonna". Perhaps now there is? I need someone to tell me whether the ELLE in ELENADELLEDONNA rhymes with the "tele" in "telemarketing" or with the "tell" in "tell". I'm sure hoping it's the former -- since a good 4-syllable rhyme can be hard to find.

A merry and bright Christmas to everyone on what would appear to be, weather-wise, a bleak day almost everywhere.

Anonymous 11:19 AM  

the only answer I was sure of was LSD, after which I read the paper. pure drek.

Northwest Runner 11:22 AM  

I propose that we adopt the term Tess for a two letter Natick. Like many others I had eww and, phone app, and Ness in what seemed to be a completed grid. Finally I decided that’s where the errors must be and looked up models named Holliday.

Anonymous 11:22 AM  

@Shirley F:
Something as horrific as MKULTRA ought to be taught in school as a warning of what can happen when government agencies are allowed to operate without adequate oversight and in clear violation of their charters.

yeah. Project Veritas will get right on it.

Anonymous 11:29 AM  

if ELENA DELLE DONNE had stayed at UCONN, Geno would have gotten at least a couple more championships.

Grouch 11:29 AM  

The grid is nothing more than a pattern of white and black squares. Deal with it.

Andrew Heinegg 11:30 AM  

As someone raised Catholic, that clue and answer raised my eye brows a bit. As usual, Mister G has the answer. There were two illegitimate/anti-popes in the Middle Ages so, it is now considered that there have been only 21 Pope Johns. That said, it was a lousy clue and answer.

Joseph Michael 11:30 AM  

So, Rex, what did you really think of OWW?

With comments like OOH I’M SO SCARED, GOD FORBID, and OH EM GEE, It felt like the puzzle was either taking to itself or trying to talk to me. Either way, I enjoyed the conversation, even though I am another victim of PHONE APPS abuse.

My toughest time was that NW corner with two women I’ve never heard of, a Greek go-with, and a strange definition for a rent-a-car.

SHORTZ WEATHER is what followed MALESKA WEATHER and has proved to be a good season overall for crossword solvers.

@John X, that wasn’t a chick. It was me. I want my forty bucks back.

Shirley F 11:33 AM  

Anonymous at 11:22AM: "Project Veritas will get right on it."

As a radical leftist since 1970, i find it pretty sad that so many Americans now believe anyone criticizing the government is ipso facto right wing.

Joe Dipinto 11:37 AM  

OWW is definitely something that people say. For example.. Everyone line up to slap @Rex so he can practice saying it.

Remember the PLASTIC BAG scene in "American Beauty"? I won't post a link because I hated that movie. I shouldn't have brought it up. Sorry.

As usual, I wrote in CZELIOT and CZECZE instead of the TS versions. When will I learn .

DEVIATOR is the silliest answer in this thing. It's so ridiculous I kind of like it.

So it's just another rainy day in New York City...that should be a song title. Oh wait, it is.

Anonymous 11:39 AM  

@Nancy:
The cannonball sounds like a dive that you might unfortunately end up doing by accident, but should certainly never do on purpose. It might cause a great big OWW.

Having done both, I can say that a failed dive that ends up flat on your face or back is a whole lot more OWW than the cannonball, in which your BUTT is the contact point. Of course, from the 10 meter platform, all three contacts may be fatal.

Masked and Anonymous 11:43 AM  

yep. Had PHONEAPPS. Wrong again, M&A breath -- but nice to have so much esteemed company.
Ergo …

staff weeject pick: OWW. M&A actually considered OWW, but then went with EWW, cuz had heard of PHONEAPPS, but not PHOTOAPPS.

This SatPuz was a Happy Christmas for m&e, as soon as I laid (layed?) my ol eyes on them there **four** Jaws of Themelessness and the E/W puzgrid symmetry. With EWW smack dab in the middIe, at the top (i theory). M&A thereby dubbed that resultin primo overall presentation "E/WW Symmetry".

The E/W symmetry invites a lotta squintin, tryin to find hidden images in the puzgrid art. Today it could easily be a Christmas Tree or a Headless Buzzard. Or possibly a buncha plinths, I reckon.
Also did me a lotta squintin, lookin for a U...

No-knows: That there ELENA-gridspanner. TESS. SLOAN. MARC. MOMOA.
tinsel-sparkly stuff: JAMPACK. PLASTICBAG. ONTHERADIO. SCHLEP. OHEMGEE. KEITEL.

Harvey KEITEL entry is extra-primo, as we recently beheld a real peculiar Harvey Keitel call-for-help schlock flick, called "Star Knight". It was a delightfully desperate sci-fi/medieval mess.

Also admired the TSELIOT clue, hintin at the TSETSE entry right below it. Nice move, Vassmeister.

Merry Happy Holidays Christmas Seasons Greetins, all U nice folks.

Thanx for the themeless fun, Mr. Vass dude. Could I maybe buy a U, tho?

Masked & Anonymo Us


loosely based on a google of "names of Santa's elves":
**gruntz**

jae 11:48 AM  

NE mostly easy, SE easy-medium, SW tough, NW very tough. This was tough and not as much fun as yesterday’s. The WNBA player was a grid spanning WOE, GO postal before INSANE, MEGA CORPORATION seems a bit green paintish, brat pack didn’t fit for “The Breakfast Club” clue, I can picture Dulce SLOAN but not her last name...I’m just glad the Donna Summer song and Jason MOMOA were gimmes or...

Kinda liked it....but @amyyanni it didn’t spark joy.

Joaquin 11:56 AM  

Joe Dipinto (11:37)

"As usual, I wrote in CZELIOT and CZECZE instead of the TS versions."

FTW!

Trey 11:59 AM  

I agree with @Rex over the mess of 1-across (OWW instead of eWW [or even aWW in my case], NESS instead of tESS), but my route to solving was even worse than his. I had _H__aAPPS and thought of the forced sale of TikTok from China to a US company and confidently put in cHinaAPPS (knowing that it should be Chinese), thinking that so many apps nowadays are made in other countries. That eventually migrated to PHOneAPPS once I realized that audio-related word would fit in 1-down starting with a 'c', and then eventually arrived at PHOTOAPPS when I did not get the happy music.

However, I found the puzzle overall to be a nice challenge. The best answers were TSELIOT and TSETSE - with the first clue I knew the answers with no help (only after figuring out that the answer to the first one included the initials and was not just the last name), and the clue for TSETSE still surprised me - it took several precious nanoseconds (as at least one other commenter notes on occasion) for me to see the connection between the answer I already knew and the clue in front of me.

Yes - very heavy on PPP - and in some very critical areas. Even though I knew ELENA DELLE DONNE, I had no idea how to spell her name (DELLa, DELa, DELLE, DONNE, DONNa???) so I had to rely on the crosses to get me most of the way there.

I am shocked that Bad Lieutenant was the clue for KEITEL - it is old, not that well known, and in my opinion, one of the worst movies I have ever seen (and I have watched a lot of movies in my life that are low-budget, bizarre, critically panned, in poor taste, or whatever). It was one of the few movies where I finished thinking that I had wasted 2 hours with zero gained from it (not even a good one-liner, memorable action sequence, conundrum to ponder, interesting theme, life lesson, etc)

bocamp 12:01 PM  

OWWwww! Wow, it's a xword; things get stretched … Flexibility, the spice of life. 😉

New today (and maybe some things learned): OWW; THE NEW BLACK; ELENA DELLE DONNE; SLOAN; ON THE RADIO; TESS; MARC.

THE NEW BLACK:

• a color that is currently so popular that it rivals the traditional status of black as the most reliably fashionable color

• something which is suddenly extremely popular or fashionable (OxfordLanguages)

@puzzlehoarder 👍 for -0 yd
___

It's a rare 'white Christmas' in Vancouver today. ☃️

td 0

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

Anonymous 12:06 PM  

@Shirley F:

you missed the point, in fact, totally backwards. the absolute last thing PV would ever do is investigate such a patriotic effort as MK. MK was the essence of Right Wingnut government.

Robert Berardi 12:14 PM  

The Times should know that a PLASTIC BAG has not been a New York checkout choice for two years.

Z 12:19 PM  

@JD - Not as bitter as someone who aimed for the POOL and missed.

OWW - I realize Rex can be subtle, but you all are missing the point. aWW has appeared in the NYTX 24 times. eWW has also appeared 24 times. OWs has rescued a constructor 61 times. This is the debut appearance for OWW in the NYTX. It is a distinction this constructor will be forced to live with for the rest of his days.

pmdm 12:26 PM  

Not the type of puzzle I wanted on Christmas, but one I expected since, after all, it is a Saturday.

For some reason I stopped reading the write-up early on. Not the type of thing I look for on Christmas. I wonder if it got better.

For those wondering about the Pope John problem, I don't think the explanation has been posted yet (though I sped read through the comments as usual). If you do some research (search "pope john names) you find out the Pope John XVI was actually an antipope and therefore should not be counted in the sequence. App0arently John XXI counted John XIV twice, meaning he skipped over the title John XX.

All very confusing and not that appropriate to research on a Christmas Day.

And a happy holiday to all Christians and non-Christians alike.

Anonymous 12:38 PM  

'On the Radio' became a hit in February of 1980. Not a fun puzzle. I would have hoped for a better Christmas present. And for people hating on Rex, he has every right to critique a puzzle any way he likes.

What? 12:40 PM  

I finished it but it still stank. Shortz complains of being inundated with contributions but still has trouble publishing good ones. There must be some, right?

GREENE 12:44 PM  

"I Won't Send ROSES" is a gorgeous ballad. Thanks, Rex.

Trey 12:47 PM  

@JoeDipinto 11:37 CZ ELIOT? Love it!!!

Nancy 12:48 PM  

"As usual, I wrote in CZELIOT and CZECZE instead of the TS versions. When will I learn?"

Best line of the day, @Joe D!

Unknown 12:56 PM  

Could not agree more about the OWW cross next to the first name of someone I have never heard of, nor care about. Ruined the puzzle. Ouch! Happy Tess Hollidays everyone.

Whatsername 12:59 PM  


@Pete (10:54) and @mathgent (11:06) Sorry to hear about the illness and hope all recover swiftly. I had two reports of the same situation this morning within my extended family.

@Joaquin (10:59) I believe it’s been established that the proper four-letter clue for ITCH is SLOP.

mathgent 1:19 PM  

My favorite comments this morning.

JOHN X (6:31)
O.C. ... (7:39)
Pete (10:54)
Joe Dipinto (11:37)

Rick Sacra 1:25 PM  

Have a wonderful holiday everyone! Thanks for this great puzzle, Johan. My two sons and I really enjoyed it, tough, but eminently gettable in the end. Basically went from the bottom (which was easier) up. Loved learning about ELENA and the whole stack of 15s at the bottom. Thanks, Terrific puzzle!!!! : ) --Rick (and Max and Jared)

Unknown 1:30 PM  

Merry Christmas, Rex. Now shut up, you whiner.

JD 1:51 PM  

@Z12:19pm, You're not unright. But when Ow is elongated are you you really saying Ooooow or are you forming the W over an over by narrowing your mouth? Not bitter though. Nope.

RooMonster 2:12 PM  

Hey All !
Well, took me on and off all day to wrangle this one. Had to Check Puzzle finally after everything but the NW. My sister finally gave me SHORTS from __O_TS, as I just couldn't see anything about what kind of WEATHER. Toughest part of puz for me.

Haven't read everybody, but I do have to comment on Rex's (funny) epic meltdown over OWW. Good stuff. I can see how you could very easily make the misstep. Funny thing is, I got PHOTO APPS first, and never looked back. Even though I too didn't know TESS. YAY ME! I did want an epic rant from Rex about OH EM GEE. Cause that's just insane and ridiculous. But, his OWW persevered.

Did read @John X, however. Epic. I thought you'd calmed down a tad. Maybe you were on a little "stay sober and conscious" kick for a few months there. Glad to see you went back to your ways. 😂

Merry Christmas, All !

yd-3, should'ves 1

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

DrBB 2:15 PM  

mmbeitlermd said...
And let's not forget that one does not snap on an app to open it, one clicks on or opens an app. This is just intentionally misleading cluing.

7:20 AM

But one DOES "snap" a photo, colloquially, and I assumed that was the deliberate--and nicely subtle--hint that PHOTO not PHONE was desired.

Agree on the PPP in this puzzle, and want to point out/agree that when it comes to that stuff, it isn't the quantity per se but the positioning in the grid that's the real issue. Using an obscure name to block egress from a corner or section, only to have the reveal when it finally comes a total "meh" answer is one of the least enjoyable things you can experience as a solver.

Barbara S. 2:20 PM  

Tried to post this a while ago -- apologies if this turns out to be a dupe.

I loved this puzzle! It was hard, and I went to bed last night with serious doubts about whether I could finish. I’d done the same with Friday’s puzzle the previous night, but then it all fell into place the following morning and the same thing happened again! My only Google consultation was to look up NICAD after I’d filled it in to see if it was indeed a battery type (yes! nickel-cadmium). For some reason I knew the name TESS Holliday. I follow neither fashion nor her particular crusade, but there it is. I see she’s been in the puzzle twice before in 2021 (May and July) but that doesn’t seem like an adequate explanation. OWW seems absolutely fine to me – in my endearingly klutzy way, I say it all the time, in caps, as here, but with more Os and Ws and several exclamation marks. All this to say that I miraculously avoided (evaded, eluded) the PHOneAPPS/nESS/eWW quagmire.

Love the word PLINTH(S). To my ears, it sounds as hard as granite. Love T.S. ELIOT. Never associated him with bloodsucking flies until this morning, and found it amusing. Groped my way circuitously to KEITEL by thinking, oh, who’s that actor, Val Kilmer, no, Willem Dafoe, no, tough guy, laconic, gravelly voice, THINLY horizontal mouth, my friend Kathleen really likes him, was in “Reservoir Dogs,” oh, oh, Harvey something, Harvey, Harvey, Harvey KEITEL!!

SB: dbdby -2 (felt living-in-a-cave-unaware by missing these)
dby -2 (felt not much of anything from missing these, although was a little surprised at my ignorance of the second)
yd 0

P.S. I thought there'd be no comments today because everyone would be otherwise occupied. Sympathies to those whose plans were derailed by COVID and especially to anyone with family members who are ill. My husband and I are self-isolating because of his possible exposure, but we would have spent a quiet day anyway. (Except for the raucous present-opening and clamorous feasting.)

P.P.S. ELENA DELLE DONNE has a terrific name which translates from Italian as “ELENA of Women.” What a wonderful ring that has!

Oh, and Buon Natale a tutti!

joeyshapiro 2:38 PM  

I'm with you in phoneapp/ness mess. Oww? Gross.

Anoa Bob 2:57 PM  

I think the grid design portrays some THINLY disguised xmas tree ornaments. Or maybe a squadron of B-2 Stealth bombers helping Santa deliver presents.

The measure of frequency used to be called cycles per second (cps) but was changed to Hertz (Hz) in honor of German physicist Heinrich Hertz. So the answer to 2D "One cycle per second" should be ONE HERTZ just like sixty cycles per second would be sixty HERTZ and so on. This former Sonar technician doesn't think that the stand-alone HERTZ represents any given frequency.

I knew the five-letter 27D "Japanese beer" would likely be Asahi or KIRIN. I think the KIRIN beer logo wins best image award but my favorite to drink when I was In Japan was Sapporo. I've tried it a few times state-side but, alas, it wasn't the same.

Master Melvin 3:03 PM  

The Cannonball "dive" is usually done by big fat guys. The bigger the guy, the bigger the splash, which I think is the point.

old timer 3:03 PM  

Hands up for a DNF with PHOneAPPS, like so many. And boo to OWW. I had EWW and I'm sticking to it. And I did get help with MOMOA, but asking a visiting daughter is totally legit, in my book. And more illegitimate help, to discover ELENA whatsherface. I love women's college BB (hey, I'm a Stanford alum, and their women are always better than their men). But why pay attention to the WNBA when I can watch Steph Curry?

The TSELIOT clue was brilliant, but it took long time to find that TSE TSE fly in the grid. I laughed at SHORTS WEATHER. My family has never seen me in shorts though they have seen me in the swim trunks that kind of look like shorts.

Post solve I looked up ON THE RADIO. Lousy song IMO. The one I like is "Listen to the Radio".

I too never think of a jumper as a sleeveless dress. A jumper is a sweater.

Congrats to Signor Bergoglio who explained about the reason why JOHN XXIII was really JOHN XXI. And congrats to our constructor today, Vass, for an informative solve.

Eugene 3:14 PM  

Also fell into the PHONEAPPS/NESS trap. Unfortunately, the cluing on 1A can also apply to Snapchat, if taken as a collective (you) of people who “Snap” on their phones.

Anonymous 3:40 PM  

Holy sh t. Props to Rex for even writing about it. This was the worst xword I've ever done. Proper noun hell and why the pattern? Your christmas will surely get better after this. I give it -40 stars.

egsforbreakfast 4:00 PM  

You might say “wow”. Just don’t say OWW

kitshef 4:03 PM  

@Nancy - DELLE DONNE - the DELLE is pronounced like 'tele', but the DONNE is pronounced like 'don', so the search for a belladonna rhyme will go on. But if you need a rhyme for 'telethon', I think it works.

Floridamam 4:09 PM  

An error in 26 Down. Clue "21 popes" with answer "Johns". There have been 23 popes John

Z 4:23 PM  

@mmbeitlermd - This is just intentionally misleading cluing. That’s sort of the point.

@JD 1:51 - Whether it’s OWW or aWW or eWW or pheWW or look out belOWW my mouth shape is formed by the vowel sound and I’m blowing air through that shape.

I was fine with jumper —> SLEEVELESS DRESS so was a bit surprised by the sweater comments. Putting “jumper” into Uncle Google and looking at images returns lots of women wearing sweaters. Confused, I took a look at Merriam-Webster and found this:
Definition of jumper (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : a child's coverall —usually used in plural
2 : a sleeveless one-piece dress worn usually with a blouse
3 : a loose blouse or jacket worn by workmen
4 chiefly British : SWEATER sense 2a


So Merriam-Webster agrees it’s Shortz and me, but Uncle Google agrees with the sweater objectors and the Brits. Curious.

@Anoa Bob - I don’t understand your HERTZ objection. One HERTZ is one cycle per second. A HERTZ is one cycle per second.

@DrBB & @Unknown - 3 five letter PPP answers are actually worse than a single 15 letter answer. If you ponder it for awhile I bet you can figure out why. Hint: think about what causes naticks. And if you think about it longer the reason the wheelhouse/outhouse thing happens at 33% and higher will make sense, too.

If you came here to complain about the 21 Pope JOHNS clue being wrong check out the comments above that explain why the clue is correct.

NY Composer 4:46 PM  

Ditto, Rex. Fell into the phone apps trap. Boo!

Seth 5:15 PM  

Agree with everything Rex says here except that OH EM GEE is definitely a thing people actually write sometimes when trying to be silly by turning an abbreviation back into not-an-abbreviation.

Bill Poutray 6:03 PM  

The last Pope named John was John XXIII ,NOT XXI. What's up with that?

Anoa Bob 7:01 PM  

@Z I don't think stand-alone HERTZ is any more of a specific measure of cycles per second---one, ten or whatever---anymore than stand-alone Fahrenheit would be for any specific measure of temperature. I'm thinking something like "Measure of cycles per second" would have been more accurate. For me the answer to "What is one cycle per second?" is ONE HERTZ.

Unknown 7:36 PM  

Indeed. That’s hot I landed on PHOTO APPS over PHONE APPS.

Unknown 7:43 PM  

TSE TSE TSE? What are you talking about? This puzzle has T S ELIOT, the writer whose clue referenced TSETSE, the African fly.

Unknown 7:47 PM  

I’m sure Rex of just bring hyperbolic because Wiktionary cites usages of OH EM GEE going back fifteen years.

JOHN X 8:09 PM  

Popes may be JOHN XXI or JOHN XXIII, but there can be only one JOHN X.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Anonymous 8:29 PM  

This week has been bipolar for me. Mon-Thurs played super easy compared to average, and then Fri-Sat were like trudging through mire. It took forever to get enough guesses (some wrong) in to gain traction and start filling, only to run into several names (my nemesis). And not being up on women's styles, I thought a jumper was like and overall type outfit, and not a dress; so stack that on top of a WNBA MVP and the bottom becomes a challenge. I know OMG, but the purpose of OMG is not spelling out 'oh my God', so spelling out OHEMGEE seems especially pointless!

RooMonster 9:44 PM  

@JOHN X 8:09 wins the internet today!

RooMonster Can't Keep Up With The X-Man Guy

albatross shell 10:28 PM  

Rex actually gave the puzzle a ton of praise. But he wanted to make his point about OWW. It was rooted more in its precedent-setting role than its accuracy. It is accurate as others have pointed out. In comics I have seen 1 to 6 W's added to OW and EW. I do not mind at all the addition of OWW to the NYT collection of poor crosswordese. Better than 132nd version of the other choices which probably would have sacrificed the 3rd Tess Holliday to the 270th NESS.

I broke in at the NE corner getting TEND (or maybe kEep) KEITEL ROSES. TSE gave TSETSE and then read the clue above that I had given no thought to because I had no idea where the doubled initials were going to be. Sweet serendipity. I had already intuited that the last half of 12A was going to be WEATHER.
Which brings us to the point of this convoluted adventure.
I had _ _ W for 5D. Am I the only one who considered not only eWW but also hoW and noW which are both at times are accompanied by painful expressions. OWW was 4th on my list. Also was much later I was pleasantly surprised by SHORTS since I was expecting the dull warmer or hotter.

I eventually remembered TESS from previous puzzles.

I confess to looking up the WNBA star as soon as I read the clue because it was Christmas Eve, it was Saturday, it was 15 letters of complete unknown and how was I ever going to get it from the crosses alone. Hi @Nancy.

Spine spline plinths. Is splinth a word?

A fun solve. A plus-size mug of Holliday cheer.


albatross shell 10:34 PM  

OMG. I cracked the meaning of the clue immediately. A text abbreviation spelled out by the spelling of its letters. Still needed 3 crosses to get it. A spicy clue-answer. Don't get the complaints.

TAB2TAB 11:21 PM  

So my love of Friday's crossWORD puzzle was struck down by this crossNAME puzzle. We literally had to look up *every* name clue in this puzzle. Yep, never heard of any of them. Even with all that, was still a struggle, more than double our normal time and with Google. Not my fave, but was surprised to actually agree with Rex about the names. Didn't like oww, but don't need multiple paragraphs to explain why.

camilof 1:31 AM  

I also wanted to tease him about this, which reminds me of the trolling t-shirt that reads ‘OMG it’s R2-D2! I loved him in Star Trek’ and features a picture of a Dalek from Dr. Who.

Charlie 3:31 AM  

I’m probably the one person out of thousands that knew the MARC Okrand answer. I own his Klingon dictionary, so I was tickled when I saw that bit of obscura, hehe

Tim Carey 10:28 AM  

Thanks for the link. Terrific site!

phaino 3:12 PM  

Actually a lot of people type "oh em gee"!

I'm a 45-yo Gen X-er, btw, so don't "get off my lawn, millennial" at me. Just offering that just because Rex has never seen it, doesn't mean it's never happened.

Anonymous 3:28 PM  

You always cry like a little girl over this stuff lol

sdcheezhd 2:52 AM  

I was also phone and Ness and agree totally re OWW

thefogman 10:35 AM  

Liked it for the most part. Lots of clever cluing. Didn’t like OHEMGEE. Nice to see a return of our old friend the TSETSE fly (18A) - so cleverly clued along with 15A. Fun with anagram: TSELIOT = toilets…

thefogman 10:40 AM  

EDIT: DNF. I just realized I fell for a well-layed trap. I had PHOneAPPS, nESS and eWW for 1A, 4D and 5D. You win Johan Vass…

Anonymous 12:53 PM  

Least enjoyable, most irritating puzzle of the year.

Burma Shave 1:20 PM  

THENEW OWW

OOH,I'MSCARED, ANY how,
GODFORBID that I'M seen,
I'M DYNE in my SHORTS now,
it HERTZ when I'M PEEN.

--- MARC SLOAN

Diana, LIW 4:02 PM  

Lots and lots of nada at first. Then the bit-by-bit began. Still...had to look some up. My first in was TSETSE, btw. Har!

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

leftcoaster 6:05 PM  

TESS Holiday, Dulce SLOAN, Harvey KEITEL, TSELIOT, Sam RAIME, MARC Okrand, Aquaman MOMOA, and ELENA DELLE DONNE walked into a bar, and ...

... they PPP’d all over the place.

Diana, LIW 6:09 PM  

Good one, @Lefty. They deserved it!

Lady Di

spacecraft 6:42 PM  

I too wondered about that name, knowing EWW or OWW might either be correct, as well as PHOne vs. PHOTO. But TESS seemed way more believable than NESS, assuming Holliday was a family name. I s'pose there could be a Holliday Ness--but no. TESS, hence PHOTO and the improbable OWW! This is in line with the letter double-up at OOHIMSCARED, but I agree there oughta be a "SO" in there.

My big natick was far south, some name that began with MOMO_, crossing some horny god--was it EROS or ARES?--plus how was the lady baller spelled? I wanted that vowel to be A, as in DELLADONNA, but no mythological deity came to mind. Having to choose between O or E, I went, guessing, for E, making the god ARES and our wet hero MOMOA. Whew!

I'll go along with medium-challenging all the way. Too many propers for my taste. Par.

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