Title woman in a classic 1973 breakup tune / WED 12-22-21 / Cold rice topped with wasabi and raw fish / Quizzical Quebec questions / 16th century folk song that inspired a carol / Fit of sullenness / Poet who coined term carpe diem / Fish also known as a bluegill / Walkie-talkie band briefly / When repeated slangy sound of eating / Fangorn forest dweller
Wednesday, December 22, 2021
Constructor: Noki Trias and Lawrence Barrett
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Theme answers:
- CHRISTMAS SPIRIT (17A: Jovial seasonal mood)
- LOST OPPORTUNITY (22A: Cost of not doing business, maybe)
- MORBID CURIOSITY (51A: Why everyone loves a good train wreck)
- YANKEE INGENUITY (57A: Uniquely American cleverness)
1: a bronze-colored European freshwater cyprinid fish (Abramis brama)broadly : any of various related fishes2a: any of various marine fish (family Sparidae) related to the porgy— called also sea bream
b: any of various freshwater sunfishes (Lepomis and related genera)especially : BLUEGILL (merriam-webster.com)
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What I don't get about the theme relates directly to what I didn't like about the rest of the puzzle—and that is, I don't get why they went for mirror symmetry instead of rotational symmetry. Maybe you are just noticing this—I didn't really notice it either while I was solving. I was just aware that there was an eeriness, an offness, about the grid. Something just felt wrong. Later, looking back at the finished grid, it was obvious: the black squares at the center of the grid aren't actually centered. The grid instead has mirror symmetry; that is, it is symmetrical if you fold it along the vertical axis. But it's important to note that *the theme did not necessitate this move*. Usually, when rotational symmetry disappears in favor of some other kind of symmetry, it's because the theme answer set simply won't allow for arrangement of those theme answers in a rotationally symmetrical framework. But you can symmetrically rotate five 15s all day long, and you can build a perfectly workable grid around them. So what are you gaining by going to mirror? Maybe this grid was just easier to fill or make "work"? It's possible. But 15s are the easiest length of themer to deal with—no pesky black squares left along the edges to deal with (constructing really is "black square management," at its core). So I doubt ease of fill was the answer. But if that *was* the idea, then mission absolutely not accomplished. The fill made me grimace over and over in a way it really shouldn't have (see below). I think this choice of grid shape probably had something to do with creating those somewhat flashy longer Down pairs in the NW and NE (there's nothing else longer than 6 in the whole grid, outside the themers). But if *that* was the idea, then the results are definitely hit/miss, with SKINNYDIP / YORKIPOO being the hit and THRASHER / SOIL TESTS (!?) being the miss. Or, if not a total miss, at best a shrug. "I did it all... for SOIL TESTS!" is not a great explanation of why this grid is shaped the way it is.
And the fill overall is off-putting from the start. REC ACH ALKA TOA OCTAL AMS and on from there, culminating in a gruesome heap at the bottom of the grid with ACTIII ECCE EHS ELD ENT. I think "UM, BYE" is supposed to be cute but I found it, uh, awkward, and really hard to pick up (41D: Awkward farewell). I guess you can put an "UM" in front of anything and make it "awkward," I don't know. I do know that it makes a "nice" (as in "slightly less unpleasant") symmetrical complement to the painfully quaint "MY EYE!" on the other side of the grid. The fill repeatedly left me cold. If you stripped everything back to the original theme concept and answer set, I think the puzzle looks nice. "Good bones," I think, is the expression. But the theme execution resulted in a puzzle that was a little dull and not terribly fun to trudge through, with more wincing than winning moments. Perhaps you feel AS DO I (ugh). If not, that's OK too. See you tomorrow.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
120 comments:
Five grid spanners? Four lively and colorful theme answers, including the most marvelous MORBID CURIOSITY (a NYT puzzle debut, by the way)? Brain-involving deflective cluing? And this is a debut puzzle, a double debut, no less?
What a most lovely early Christmas present, satisfying my brain’s joy at figuring things out and brightening my world, and edifying the journey with zingers like ZONK, NIGIRI, and YORKIPOO.
Then to learn (from their notes in WordPlay and XwordInfo.com) that the constructors are father/daughter and that they made more than 30 iterations before landing a grid they were satisfied with, and learning the backstory of Noki’s life situation and how this theme speaks to her – well, I’m inspired and my heart is full.
Brava-o you two. You made not only a technically lovely puzzle that brought a satisfying solve, but you enriched my world as well. I’m filled with gratitude.
I'm much more on Team @Lewis than Team @Rex. I decided to try the puzzle without reading the clues for the long acrosses. This sometimes works on a Monday or Tuesday, rarely on a Wednesday. Today was one of those rare Wednesdays. I ended up going from NW to NE, then down the East Coast. That gave me the ends of the themers and enough of MARTIAN to grok the theme. Very nice! My only hesitation was when I had MY ___ for 50D and I thought, "Could it be?!?" No, it couldn't.
About the symetry: one could argue that the central shape very loosely looks like a lunar module, or, in that case, a martian one.
Also some pretty weird names (nigiri e.g.) made it tougher in parts than it should
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NASA has created a Twitter account for each of these Rovers (and I assume a Facebook page and Instagram account) so you can keep up with what’s going on on Mars on social media. Fascinating stuff from the CURIOSITY Rover. Still, this is a PPP theme at its core so I expect science folk to love it while people not interested in space exploration may struggle. Rex pretty much nailed it on the fill (I wonder what the other iterations were like) and you know ACT III made me scowl.
Isn't the shape supposed to look like a Mars rover?
UMBYE MYEYE and SYFY walked into a bar. They'd rather die than go sit in a DORB TEAROOM and getting caught eating some FRENCH BRIE. Instead, they went to their favorite hangout and ordered the usual RATS ON TAP. ASDOI, the bartender, greeted them with the usual welcome DAP. BIOTA, who was sitting at the end of the bar, told the trio to try a little hor devour that OCTAL (a part-time cook) had made. It was slices of KOBE sitting on top of ROTI. He named the dish THRASHER. Nary a sole needed any ALKA....instead, everyone gave it the NOM NOM award.
But did you like this? you ask. I did indeed. I like watching space missions. I'm not sure why, though, we spend billions to go to a barren death trap looking place, but I'm sure NASA has its reasons.
Good job, Noki and Lawrence.....
Naticked at uTITIS/Num. OTITIS sounded a lot better than uTITIS, but NuM NuM is clearly something, while NOM NOM is equally clearly nothing. Again I say, NYT, stop getting your “words” from the Urban Dictionary.
Much, much harder for me than a typical Wednesday, and a lot of that was due to that SE corner. In addition to the Natick, there is the utterly unknown NIGIRI, the Sib/SIS conundrum, the ridiculous “ridiculous” clue for MY EYE, and the little doubt that it might be ANnIE or ANGel.
Biggest nit, though, is that these are not MARTIAN MISSIONS. Three of them are rovers, and for two of those the mission name is the same as the rover name. Curiosity is also a rover, and that mission name was Mars Science Laboratory. Ingenuity isn't even a rover. It's a helicopter, and that mission name was Mars 2020. And the rover from Mars 2020 was Perseverance. So, it's all a bit muddled as a theme.
Something endearing about a puzzle that conjures up images of Bugs Bunny playing the piano and Bugs Bunny with Marvin the Martian. Not sure I have seen or heard the term Yankee Ingenuity. Have hear Yankee know how, and American know how. Maybe just me.
I was so excited to have a puzzle about something that I care about greatly (solar system exploration), that I can forgive it all the faults. However, to continue to nitpick on MARTIAN MISSIONS, technically those are not all mission names, CURIOSITY mission's name was Mars Science Laboratory, and INGENUITY rotorcraft is part of Mars 2020. But who cares. Also loved ARES above MARTIAN (which would have been even better if it were Mars Exploration, which was what I put in there at first). Anyway, a like from me.
Very tough for me. Full of beautiful language, but deeply brain challenging for a Wednesday. Loved it. Luvvved it.
Christmas Spirit was easy, but that tiny little NW corner with the crosses I'd gotten had me thinking, "Coil Hoses?" It may have been alcohol induced. I hope so.
The little words were making it hard to get the big words. SiFy, Conk, Annie, Ecco.
Nom/Nigiri, should've known but the N wasn't there for a long time. Breem (somehow knew it but not how to spell it).
Calling my lawyers at Alka Zonk & Ecce LLP after the holidays to initiate a class action on behalf of dogs referred to as Yorkipoos. They deserve their dignity.
Turns out the Alka in Alka Seltzer comes from Alkali. Now I'll be thinking Plop, plop, fizz, fizz all day and picturing Speedy Alka Seltzer and his little hat. Those Madmen types really knew how to sell.
@Unknown 6:40, that Space Invaders shape was the constructor's intent.
One of the constructors does say, "Given the theme, I tried to evoke Space Invaders in the grid. It may show up better if you squint."
So likely the reason for the mirror symmetry. To create the "spaceship" in the center.
I can’t eat raw fish and I don’t know 70s music so I landed at Broadway & Main in the heart of Natick. NInIRI and ANnIE seemed reasonable and that’s what I went with. Because I solve on paper, there was no lack of chimes to let me know I was wrong.
And UMBYE crossing BREAM. Really? I got it but it’s a good thing I had ALKA Seltzer ON TAP. I could go on but this entire puzzle almost caused me to (yorkie)POO. Quite the challenge for a Wednesday, at least it was for me. A hat tip to the constructors; ya beat me up good!
A tale of two puzzles for me. Fantastic, spanning themers - but some very rough fill. The attempt at grid art forces the symmetry - along the dense theme results in the unfortunate fill along the top and in the lower corners.
MORBID CURIOSITY is outstanding as is YANKEE INGENUITY. Unlike Rex - I also liked the long downs - SKINNY DIP, THRASHER and SOIL TESTS.
The grid almost lost me early on with the brutal AMS. Add ACT III and the NOM x OTITIS cross and things got ugly.
With such a strong theme - this was an enjoyable Wednesday solve.
**yd Bee spoiler**
I am a Queen. My last word was one I saw and rejected early on because I thought it was a proper noun. I finally threw it against the wall and it stuck-WIKI.
Love the Bugs cartoon! Will kids today even understand the typewriter gimmick at the beginning..... I don't think they will.
Rubbish
I am fine with the theme and the revealer - MARTIAN MISSIONS is an apt descriptor of the theme. All of the rovers have been in the news repeatedly (remember that these lasted much longer than expected and produced a ton of information).
SW corner ate my lunch. I had MORBID, and BAskS. Even switching to BAKES did not help for the longest time. I finally got FRENCH which gave me EHS (love that clue!!! - maybe the best clue for a 3-letter plural word ever), then YANKEE came into view and all fell after that. To me, that corner was Saturday level in that nothing came easy to me, and the rest of the puzzle was a solid Wednesday IMO.
@kitshef 7:19 - I have seen NOM NOM on t-shirts and all sorts of other places. I have seen it almost as much as PEW PEW (the sound of firing fake lasers). I have never seen NuM NuM - this makes perfect sense to me, and I thought that it was a perfectly fine clue and answer
I suppose Martian is an adjective and mission is a noun, but to my ears it's Mars mission.
This was a Friday level Wednesday mostly due to that southern tier from TEAROOM on down. The north wasn't an early week pushover either. Gotta love the cluing for THRASHER. The plain English translation for that entry would just be person who never grew up.
This new cluing for NOM continues to irritate me. The novelty wore off the first time they used it. Sure it's relatively new and it still amps up the difficulty because I don't want to know it but it's simply idiotic. The N of NIGIRI was my last letter. I needed everything else just to recognize it.
The constructor's are an interesting pair especially the father. Mine was in the aerospace industry in the 50s and early 60s. That's why our '69 summer road trip was to Florida to watch Apollo 11 take off. We pulled over on the shoulder of the highway like everyone else. It was just a speck on the horizon. Only the really deep rumbling sound reached us. There were thin cirrus clouds that morning and the heat from the engines evaporated a hole in them a mile wide.
I soaked things up like a sponge when I was a kid and puzzles give me a chance to regurgitate some of it.
yd -0. dbyd pg -2
Lots and lots of WoE stuff today - LISZT, BIOTA, BREAM, NIGIRI, UMBYE and OTITIS - that’s some Saturday-quality esoterica right there. I literally laughed at YORKIPOO since it sounds so juvenile. Just too much nonsense in todays grid for my taste - it just seems rather early in the week to be flinging that kind of stuff around. Obviously, not my cup of tea today.
I slogged through the puzzle OK. But I had to google to understand Rex's write-up. It turns out Alvin Simon and Theodore are chipmunks. For those of you who are like me culturally challenged. It reminds me of Sunday's holiday concert by the local symphony, in which I play the keyboard parts. There were THREE medleys of snippets from movies I had never seen, which seemed to have very dull music. The one from Frozen (which I guess was holiday music because it takes place in the far north, somewhere in the vicinity of Santa's Workshop?) was notable for having a lot of notes in the piano part. Which I had not bothered to practice before the rehearsal because it all looked like filler to me. It turned out to be vitally important thematic material on which I was soloing. Oops.
Oh, the puzzle. I made lots of mistakes. BaskS for BAKES, TEAshOp for TEAROOM, AnDme for ASDOI, ANnIE for ANGIE. But heck, it's Mars. Happy Solstice everybody (today, not yesterday, was the day I was supposed to get out of bed at 3:08 AM and rush to the computer to see if it was cloudy in Stonehenge. Didn't make it.).
I liked all the long themers, they all sounded sort of familiar, and the mirror symmetry will not spoil my day, so a good time in a medium solve.
I learned there is something called a YORKIPOO, which sounds like something Martin Mull described as "one of those little (censored) that wears a sweater".
Those of us in this part of the country are very familiar with YANKEEINGENUITY, which is usually applied to a solution to a problem that will save someone a minor sum of money, another famous Yankee trait, thrift if you're a Yankee or miserliness if you are not.
I get that Canada is needed for EHS, but making it Quebec implies French, and I don't think of EH? as particularly French. N'est-ce pas? probably didn't fit.
And I'm not sure, but it seems like someone who would say NOM NOM while eating might own a YORKIPOO.
Congrats to NT and LB for a nice construction. Nicely Themed and Lotsa Beauties among the answers. Thanks for the fun.
Nom?!?!
Looks like shape of a Martian in the grid
Thx Noki & Lawrence, for a very challenging Wednes. puz!
Very tough.
Haven't botched a puz this badly in quite a while. :(
Couldn't remember how to spell LISZT (had LISDT), which resulted in dONg out, as I had cORgiPOO. Then to make matters worse, had NInIRI crossing ANnIE. A least I remembered NOM from a previous puz. š“
Granted I was tired and didn't listen pay attention to my Spidey-sense alerts, but likely would still have dnfed in at least one of those spots.
Side eye for 'good train wreck'. :(
Up to now, it's been a great day of puzzle solving. lol
Nevertheless, a fun challenge, and hopefully some things learned. š¤
@Barbara S., okanaganer, pabloinnh, puzzlehoarder, BEE-ER š for 0's yd
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I love it when a puzzle is clued in a way that provokes real CURIOSITY before you have any crosses. And there was a lot of that here. "Why everyone loves a good train wreck" was one of the best I've ever seen. Why indeed? (FWIW, I don't love a good train wreck; Eyes tightly shut, I'll run off in the other direction as fast as my little feet will carry me.) So I guess I don't have any MORBID CURIOSITY. Loved that answer when it came in.
I also wondered what constituted an "awkward farewell". Didn't like the answer much when it came in, but the clue sparked a nice amount of curiosity. I also wondered what "unfixable" might be?
I mis-read 45D as "Timing of the Mercutio/Tybalt duet" and wondered when "Romeo and Juliet" had been turned into a musical that wasn't "West Side Story" and who had done it?
Loved that there were four theme grid-spanners. That's not easy to do, folks. In fact, I loved pretty much everything except UM BYE in this crunchy and entertaining Wednesday.
Regarding NOM, try googling NOM NOM and Cookie Monster. There may be older sources, but that’s the oldest one that comes to my mind. And, personally, I prefer the onomatopoeia clue to a NOMinative abbreviation clue.
Regarding MARTIAN MISSION and the complaint about MISSION: Did you all read the clue? NASA endeavors whose vehicles can be found … - When Shortz and company get all wordy like that in a clue there’s usually a reason. Not always, but usually.
Now, if you want to argue that the in the language phrase is MARs MISSIONs I’m right with you.
@JD - YORKIEPOO sounds like something Sgt York’s ditzy girlfriend would call him in a really bad WWII rom com. “Porkie” ain’t an improvement, though, and we seem culturally resistant to just going with “Yorkshire Terrier Poodle Mix,” so we get YORKIEPOO.
@pabloinnh - I had the same EHS quibble. Maybe at Barbara S will drop in and let us know if QuƩbƩcois say EH. Also like your Martin Mull take.
I keep squinting and “evoke” is the right word. If that was the primary reason for the mirror symmetry I don’t think it was worth it.
Nom Nom. Apparently, yum is obsolete now.
Hey All !
Well, unlike some of y'all, I'm impressed by the fill. I know this couldn't be easy to fill with any semblance of words. Look at NE and NW to Center, there are three 15 Themers, crossed by an 8 & 9! Wow! If you think that's easy to fill, I have a bridge for sale.
Also, the stack of 6's in the South Center, that crosses two 15 Themers.
So an UMBYE here, and a ACH there, pales in comparison to the other fill that works.
I did have a Natick DNF, however, which didn't even diminish my enjoyment of the puz. It was my last letter in, had an N at ANnIE/NInIRI. Don't know sushi, don't touch the stuff. ANGIE maybe should've rang a bell, but when I see AN_IE, the N jumps up and down waving it's arms in the ole brain, and I just can't see any other letter.
I liked the left/right Symmetry. So there. š
Good job, you two crazy debut constructors. No DORKs, them.
yd -3 should'ves 3 (hate when that happens)
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Hiya @GreaterFallRiver (I know where that is...you could drive NE to Natick)...the Chipmunks! No culture involved, I assure you. When I was very little, I loved them. Watched the cartoons and sang along to the tunes. Now, cannot take them, and one Christmas song in particular still gets airplay.
Wanted to like this more, but the ECCE, ELD(?), ENT & EHS, etc. in the bottom third left me less than delighted. Which is still good, just not loving it.
Kennedy Center Honors televised tonight. Joni and Bette among the Honorees, and some SNL alums may appear for Lorne Michaels.
DERP would more accurately fit the clue of "lovable goofball." Not all DORKs are lovable.
It's John Paul George Ringo. Always. If you say them in a different order people will think you're from Mars.
This was a big embarrassment for me. I've seen NOM nom several times, but couldn't remember it -- and although NIGIRI sushi is one of my favorite foods, somehow the clue didn't evoke it -- I was visualizing a bowl of rice with the fish on top of it, another possible dish-- and I had no idea about ANGIE, so put in ANnIE instead, and finally took a gusess as gInIRI. RATS!!
Having the revealer in the center made the last two themers way too easy, but otherwise the theme was fine. And I loved that little Latin Quarter down in the SW, with HORACE declaiming ECCE. It took a long time to sort out, though -- the awkward goodbye could have been Uh, BYE crossing some kind of hORrible something. And not knowing my designer dog breeds and obscure TV channels (who uses channels anymore? I just search for the name of the movie or program I want, and go right to it) 11D had me looking at iOReIPOO for a couple of minutes. Around here, we ZONe out. But FBI and YET helped me guess the initial Y, and there it was.
@Z, you're right, I never read the whole clue at 36A. thanks for clarifying, it made me like it more.
Top half easy, bottom half very tough. ShUns before SNUBS (BRIE fixed it) and sItON before LIEON. It took a while to remember ANGIE. I knew NIGIRI and OTITIS but I needed some crosses to get there.
kealoas for me:
ROTI - NAAN
OTRA - OTRO
TERN - erne
BAKES - basks
Interesting theme, mostly liked it, but I agree with @Rex about some of the fill. Jeff at Xwordinfo gave it POW. A nice debut!
this was a bad puzzle . NOM??? I have been eating for 62 years (not continually) and never heard this. UMBYE??? that is bad too. C’mon, we can do better
They obviously went for alliteration, but Quebec would be the less likely province to hear EH-ers (rhymes with mayors and Ayers). That said, there are certainly English-speaking pockets, plus I noticed my son, who is finishing his last semester at McGill, came home with an "eh" or 2 attached to his sentences.
@Greater Falls, been there with the assuming something is easy. Being a good reader, I used to thrive on the high-wire act of walking out unprepared. As I get older, I prefer to sound like I know what I'm playing about. Incidentally, I see that the keyboard chair is open at ABT.
I thought we might get a YORKIEPUG to go with the snorter from the other day. We could get a dreaded word ladder from there to Porky Pig, to go with our WB theme. Other thematic words Dorkiepie or Dorkypoo for our loveable one. Porkpie, Yankee die! Worst puzzle ever...
To all the ANnIEs out there - ANGIE was a song by the Rolling Stones that still gets a fair amount of airplay on Classic Rock stations.
Best part of this one was @GILL's 716am vignette. Is that the standard FRENCH pronunciation of ASDOI?
But, as @Lewis points out, it's a double debut and a tight theme like this isn't always attained by more seasoned constructors, so bravopodes!
The fill is GS*, but whatever. A tad dry, but still enjoyed it.
*Gertrude Steinish (the fill is the fill is the fill)
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@JD 724am Sorry, but that case has no merit. YORKIPOO is their dignity. That's what the little shitz get for allowing it to happen.
Oh, I kid the designer dogs! ❤️
@pabloinnh 838am šš on YANKEEINGENUITY (and "thrift").
So @Lewis informs us that "they made more than 30 iterations before landing a grid they were satisfied with." Wow ! And they ended up with "rec,ach,ams,nom (nom),eld,ehs,actiii,alka" and one I am never going to forget, "umbye". If we are going to coin "kealoa", we gotta come up with something for "umbye".
Sorry to be a Grinch", but Jeezuz.
Um...Bye.
yep. I think that E/W puzgrid symmetry was definitely goin for some Martian landin craft artwork.
M&A was mighty impressed with the five grid-spanner themers, one of which sported the CHRISTMASSPIRIT.
staff weeject pick: TOA. Partial phrase meat. Better clue: {Lightly toasted??}.
fave other stuff: YORKIPOO [Sounds kinda like a cleanup opportunity]. SOILTESTS [Martian probe related?]. SKINNYDIP. LISZT/ZONK.
No-know stuff: NIGIRI. OTITIS. THRASHER.
hardy har stuff: UMBYE.
Cute clue work: {Why everyone loves a good train wreck} = MORBIDCURIOSITY.
Thanx for gangin up on us, Noki & Lawrence folks. And congratz on yer duo-debuts.
Masked & Anonymo4Us
**gruntz**
The four themers were excellent, especially MORBID CURIOSITY, but this this puzzle and I were not on the same planet.
The problem for me was the lower half of the grid where I was expected to know a woman’s name from a 48-year-old song, a cold rice dish, and a toddler’s ear condition among other things. Then there’s NOM and UM BYE to which I say “MY EYE.” And just for the record, I do not go NOM NOM when I eat.
The revealer seems a bit off in that it suggests that the MISSIONS have been assigned to MARTIANS. “Your mission, Nigiri, is to fly to Earth and find out what a Yorkipoo is.” Speaking of SYFY, where is Orson Welles when we need him?
I've been a NASA DORK since the Pioneer MISSIONS in the 1970s, so all of the theme names were familiar to me - not that I understood the connection between SPIRIT and OPPORTUNITY until I got to the central reveal. Then it was all CURIOSITY to see how the others would appear. Terrifically creative theme! Finding those 4 equal-length, lively, in-the-language phrases?!
I also loved the clue for LISZT, who, I feel, incorporates more notes per square inch than any other composer - super to learn that Bugs was up to the challenge.
Help from previous puzzles: SYFY, BIOTA, DAP. Do-overs: TEA shOp, arc before TIE. No idea: ANGIE.
I'm with Rex on this one. It was a real slog, especially in the SW corner, and the payoff didn't pay. Much of the fill was wince-worthy. Nice try, but this puzzle just didn't land for me.
@Z, @Frantic š! Porkypie?
Clues that needed to be a lot better:
Soaks up the hot (as opposed to the cold) sun/BAKES. Bakes just isn't used that way.
Lovable goofball,say/DORK. I've always heard DORK used pejoratively. MW says "The meaning of DORK is an odd, socially awkward, unstylish person; also : an annoyingly stupid or foolish person : jerk."
Others have pointed out other fill problems. It's sad that there's so much junk in an otherwise pretty nifty puzz. B-.
I enjoyed the theme, but can verify that no one says 'Martian missions'. It's 'Mars missions' or maybe 'missions to Mars'. Sincerely, a person who's worked on four Mars missions.
Well, if I had read Rex first, I could have saved myself the trouble.
"My eye" was commonly heard in Irish houses like mine growing up.
@Joe D, your right. Never heard anyone naming the Beatles start off with George.
The morning was saved for me by the Bugs clip, Amazing. Sheer genius.
I won’t LIE, found this on the tough side. I don’t know one skateboard from another much less the lingo. BIOTA and DAP were as foreign to me as the raw fish dish and I guess I had a DIDNT finish at 48A by spelling NON NOM NUM NUM. Or in OTHER words, my INGENUITY failed me this morning.
MARTIAN MISSION sounds like something from a SYFY flick. Isn’t it just Mars Missions?
I love Yorkies and I love Poodles, both adorable breeds. Here’s my YORKIPOO in my avatar.
I sailed through it until I came to the SE. "Ignores" had to be SHUN. It's the goddam definition! But no woman's name starts AH. So I ran the alphabet on S?U?S and saw SNUBS. I still had to guess ANGIE, NIGIRI, OTITIS. And then I had ?Y?Y? . What in the world could that be? My mother used to say, "My eye!" for "That's ridiculous!" but I haven't heard it since then. In my family we used to say "Num num" to babies to encourage them to eat their food. We would say it with great enthusiasm to try to convince them that their Gerbers was delicious.
So it took me as much time to do the SE as it took me to do the whole rest of the puzzle.
We've pointed out a lot of the clunkiness in the puzzle, but it had some sparkle. Just barely enough.
Is Rex getting cute with us? Instead of saying that he didn't like X, he says "I'm not sure X is the greatest idea."
Excellent debut!
Boy, nom and ehs sure can trigger the typical "slog" crowd.
Enjoyed. Good theme. Names of all NASA missions are all peaceful and “uplifting” to me, a fine energy for a mission or a crossword š§© in this season - and always.
(Do not disagree w š¦. His crits are acute, considered, and set a high bar - which is much appreciated! )
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
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I'm surprised how few people here knew that "otic" means "ear-related". So there was no chance that I would have NuM (Num) there. OTITIS was easy: "itis" meaning "inflammation of". It was the "N" of NOM that was the problem for me, having absolutely never heard of NOM NOM. YOM YOM, maybe, instead of YUM YUM? But YIGIRI didn't seem quite right. In the end, the "N" was a complete guess.
I toyed with both ANNIE and ANDIE (MacDowell, right?)before thinking that the "G" in ANGIE probably worked best for the sushi dish.
Sure it was hard for a Wednesday And, yes, MARTIAN MISSIONS is not exactly what anyone would call them. But still, more people didn't like this puzzle than I might have expected.
@Frantic JD - Porky Pie and NIGIRI will be the Special on Fusion Night at Z’s Placebo and Tentacle.
@Carola - Bugs being able to use his ears certainly had to help.
@burtonkd - rhymes with mayors and Ayers - šš¤£šš¤£š
@lilyinacrystal - I was thinking more Robot from Lost in Space but MARTIAN works, too.
Feed line to the washer decided to spring a leak. Plumber’s name is Pablo. He denies being from New Hampshire.
My favorite comments this morning.
kitshef (7:19)
Joseph Michael (10:57)
Just read constructor notes over on XWord Info where they mention Robyn Weintraub collaborated early on this effort.
If you haven’t already, take a minute to watch the Bugs Bunny clip Rex provided. Pure genius.
@JD (7:24) The law firm ALKA ZONK and ECCE. š¤£
@amyyanni (9:25) Appreciate the heads-up on the Kennedy Center Honors. I love the Divine Miss M and probably would’ve missed it otherwise.
Bette Midler defamed an entire state on Monday calling West Virginians "illiterate, toothless and strung out on meth".
She's a bigot and blowhard.
Kitshef,
Since you didnt respond to my invitation after your swipe at me, I thought i'd help you see the stat line of a truly great Oriole ( not the faux Ripken kind)
Over the eleven seasons from 1894-1904, Wee Willie Keeler averaged 250 hits per 162 games.
Yeah I know, he was only in baltimore for the first half of that run, but those five seasons are better than cal's entire career.
I, for one, have never noticed, worried, or cared about grid symmetry. Why the angst? Why does it matter?? Is it a Red Badge of Courage for constructors?? Is there some (un)written rule about A) symmetry must exist and B) such symmetry must be rotational?? Enquiring minds need to know. Strew the black squares over the grid like grass seed on bare ground. Who the hell cares?
@amyyanni 925am Allow me to echo @Whatsername's gratitude for the KCH heads-up! Would have kicked myself for missing that one.
@J-Dip 1001am Preach! Rex can be such a blasphemer. š
@Whatsername 1121am ❤️Now that's the kind of "YORKIPOO" I like! Adorbs!
@JD 1104am Cutesy hat??
And @Z 1220pm apparently, we'll eat that hat at Z's P@T Pub.
@puzzlehoarder:
Not having been to any launch in person, even only some miles away, just what's on the teeVee, but you bring up an enduring question, at least for me. Which is louder at liftoff: the Saturn 5 or the Shuttle solids? On the teeVee, it seems the solids. One thing about the solids, once they light it's full bore; they ain't no throttle on them boys.
Played like a perfect Wednesday for me until I crashed into a brick wall in the SW. Had BAskS before BAKES, haven't memorized the CB band, or Horace or BREAM or ECCE homo. Also wanted quoi for the Quebec Question, falling for the French misdirect.
@Nancy, I'm with you on OTITIS, but mainly bc I've had recurring bouts of it all my life. As for NOM, I like the Cookie Monster reference, and it's also a phrase my 22 yo niece says all the time and has for years. So the SE > SW.
I buy the mirror symmetry in service of looking like a Martian space invader. Also I'm a DORK (or DeRp) for those cute little anthropomorphized rovers (and quads).
I have a good friend who always closes his phone conversations with "UM BYE". It isn't awkward, just endearing and I always wait to hear him say it.
I sure got lost in the TEA shOp today. SAp what Polynesian Islands? That and BaskS and NaM made this a challenging Wednesday.
Nice job, Noki and Lawrence, and congrats on the debut!
@12:51
She's also right. Just go look up the data.
I did. Worst five states for literacy:
California, New York, Florida, Texas and New Jersey.
clue me in to where to get the dentition data and the meth numbers.
here's the reading and ritin ones:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state
Just awful. I don't expect a double natick on Wednesday. I avoided the Stones, so Annie looked fine. Never heard of nom nom nor nigiri. I had Yom and Yiniri. I guess I lacked the needed Yankee ingenuity, but a Wed. DNF dampened my Christmas spirit...
I always wanted to leave a comment on Rex's Blog, but since I do the syndicated version in my local newspaper - paper & pencil, no less - I'm always a month+ out of synch, and commenting becomes pointless. So today, I've decided to comment on today's crossword, which I haven't actually seen yet.
Since I haven't seen it, I'll have to assume that my reaction will be what it usually is. I disagree with Rex's assessment, but begrudgingly admit that he has some very good points. Oh, and I haven't heard of *any* of the PPP answers!
Why is the Oriole debate continuing?
There's a correct order for the Beatles' first names??
@TJS – Right. Under no circumstance do you ever start with George. George was the quiet one, he doesn't merit the lead-off position.
(In 1969, a certain Ms. Y. Ono petitioned to get the official billing changed to John Yoko George Ringo Paul, but it was thrown out of court.)
Wouldn't "eh" correctly be spelled "et" in Quebec?
I started musing about LOST versus MISSED OPPORTUNITY. I feel like I hear/see the latter phrase more often, but on reflection I think I'd use them differently. A missed opportunity is less serious to me: it implies not seizing a particular moment to do or say or otherwise act on something – but the net result may not be particularly tragic. Like when you think later on of the perfect witty riposte you could have made to someone's remark. Or if you pass on attending an event and later your friend tells you the person you are crushing on was there, alone.
A lost opportunity suggests more dire consequences as a result of not having done something. Lost opportunities always happen in movies, especially tearjerkers, like when Margaret Sullavan in "Backstreet" misses the ship where Charles Boyer is waiting to marry her, and then he assumes she wasn't interested and he sails off and marries his original fiancƩe.
Or, as the clue sort of implies, not getting in on the ground floor of some investment that ends up making tons of money, even though your financial advisors urged you to.
Anyway, who cares. Have some bream. (This is such a weird little clip.)
@A-Well, I did all the plumbing for our 20+ buildings for 30+ years.
Just saying.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/high-school-graduation-rates-by-state
WV - not last but close, the bottom tier (WV on down) are Southern Exploitation states, save CA
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/poverty-rate-by-state
WV - not bottom, just 4th worst
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-best-worst-dental-health/31498
WV - only 50th could be worse
So, yeah, it's the "Deliverance" state. ya elect politicians who treat you like cattle, that's what you get. Manchin lives on a Yacht in the Potomac, and made his millions selling waste coal to the worst polluter in his state. ya get what you deserve. you should be proud, I suppose.
"A Manchin family-owned business has made a small fortune selling waste coal from abandoned mines to a heavily polluting power plant in the state."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/us/politics/manchin-climate-change-coal.html?searchResultPosition=1
That's how much Manchin cares about his people.
RE: “Quizzical QuĆ©bec questions?” = EHS. This clue/answer got a definite side-eye from me. The word EH is overwhelmingly associated with Canadian Anglophones, even though it doesn’t originate here but apparently has its origins in Middle English. Here’s The Canadian Encyclopedia on EH. Under “Historical Context” there’s a reference to the spelling of EH being adapted from the French (which suggests its existence as a French word), but in 21st-century Canada I don’t believe it’s top of lexicon for most francophones. I’ve seen the argument that the closest equivalent to EH in French is “Hein”, although I don’t believe it’s used more in QuĆ©bec than in any other French-speaking areas of the world. If you’re interested, check out the video under “How do I use hein” at the bottom of the article. And certainly “hein” doesn’t have the status of a hallmark of French Canadian-ness that EH does in the English-speaking context. I’m a bit of a contrarian when it comes to EH. I don’t hear it used with any particular frequency among the people I know or on the media (unless we’re talking Bob and Doug McKenzie). But perhaps it’s all around me and I’m simply inured. As far as this clue is concerned, it may be that the constructors/editor were intent on alliteration at any cost, even at the expense of accuracy.
as to meth:
"Currently, West Virginia has the highest rate of drug overdoses in the country, with an age adjusted rate of 35.5 overdoses per 100,000 inhabitants compared to a national average of 14.7 per 100,000 persons"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5648074/
now, that's not just meth, but still...
Your claim was illitrate, toothless and meth addicted.
I made no claim that WV wasn't poor or that their grauation rates were good. But poor and uneduacted is not what you or Midler claimed.
Oh and you dont get to blithelry blow off Cali just becaus it doesnty jibe with your boigted bias .
For me it was yUM yUM, resulting in yIGIRI and uTITISS... seemed reasonable... never heard of NOM NOM. I know someone will claim they say NOM NOM all the time but this is the kind of stuff I dislike. You literally had to know the downs ahead of time to get to NOM.
Yacht? If you say so. More like a houseboat. And of course given the DC metro home prices, it's a pretty low number for a US Senator's residence--which is what The Almost Heaven is. ( Manchin bought the boat from M7T Bank for about $220,000. )
And there's nothing wrong with selling coal. Theres a good chance that its coal providing you with power.
DAP isn't really the same thing as a fist bump. Giving someone dap is an open hand greeting.
I’m disinclined to try to walk through the parsing of the revealer. It works 100%, even if no one at NASA has ever used the phrase MARTIAN MISSION. It feels slightly off, but definitely works.
I wonder how crosswords would have evolved if the Roman’s hadn’t decided to use letters for numbers. ACTI_ is a kealoa because you don’t know (unless you know the play) whether the clue refers to something in ACTII or ACTIV. Whereas neither ACT_ or ACTI _ _ is a kealoa and you could just go ahead and fill them in, unless the reference is to a quite unusual play. UMBYE……
This puzzle has a great concept that is executed very well throughout the revealer and the themers. Could a grizzled veteran constructor have improved the fill here and there? Yes. But jeez Louise, this is a father/daughter debut. I salute you both Noki Trias and Lawrence Barrett.
@12:51
what she actually said:
" He sold us out. He wants us all to be just like his state, West Virginia. Poor, illiterate and strung out."
who came up with the meth specifically??
oh, that was you. lying on Bette. as to strung out, i.e. drugged up generally? yeah, the data supports that part, too.
@A-Please disregard message, it was intended for @Z.
Thank you.
@pabloinnh. Eh? OK.
I saw space invaders also in the black squares. Very inventive mirroring.
Where is @A, anyweh? I miss her classical birthday links.
Thanks for the Kennedy Center Awards head-up, @amyyanni! I would have missed it and I would have been very, very sorry. Am taping it now -- will watch it tomorrow, sans commercials.
As a NASA "rocket scientist" I liked the puzzle, but the faults mentioned by Rex (bad fill; trite, forced, or made up expressions; wasn't too concerned by the limited symmetry)took it down a notch. Also crossing "nom" and "nigiri". Never heard of either, so I had one darn blank square, which of course gave me an excuse to consult Rex. So not all bad.
In reference to all those anonymous comments about Bette Middler's reaction to Sen. Manchin's decision:
The presumably pro-Trump supporter, Anonymous @12:51PM, in attacking her seemed to write an exact description of Trump, because HE'S " a bigot and a blowhard", plus a lot of other things. Also said Anonymous apparently somewhat distorted what she said, which is to be expected.
However, while I like her a lot, I think comments like her actual one are very damaging to the anti-Trump cause. and are used by people like Anonymous to change the subject from the danger Trump and his fervent supporters represent to this country and Democracy in general, to the alleged nastiness and elitism of the rich Hollywood crowd.
The senator in question, the sole statewide elected Democratic official left, wants to be reelected. The simplest solution for him is to switch to the Republican party. Give him credit for not doing that (YET!). What happened in this case is that the coal lobbyists who have supported him in the past got to him and said the anti climate change provisions in the bill were unacceptable and for them to support him again he would have to say no.
Reading comments quickly (not how I did the puzzle!) I'm really surprised at how many people didn't know ANGIE. True, I put LAYLA first (we did watch part of the Beatles marathon so that triangle was in my brain), but, geez, ANGIE, Rolling Stones, come on, people! [end minor surprise rant].
It's rare to hit a word I'm sure I've never heard, but NIGIRI got me. Only got it right because I'm (or was) the poster child for OTITIS media, so gimme there, and with the M it seemed like NOM would work, but no happy music.
So, dnf because could not find my error, which was, I know *zero* about dog breeds, and when my mind wanders (clearly not reading clue correctly) I ZONe out. So, who knows, there could be a YOReIPOO. Maybe a cross breed of some kind of former dog? After the PUG info I'd believe it.
Super tired working at church this week with Omicron and other places going virtual and we haven't decided and I'm actually on Session (for any Presbyterians out there) and chair of the Worship committee, was supposed to be done last week but the pandemic just won't let us go. My job there has just 8 more days. Definitely counting. Retirement never looked so good.
@JD 7:24. I'm usually not a rat but last night your law firm compatriots, ALKA ZONK and ECCE came in for martinis. ASDOI nicely told them only RATS ON TAP was imbibed. They actually huffed and puffed and threw slices of OCTAL's THRASHER up into the air. They stuck to the ceiling, and if you don't believe me, I invite you to go have a lookie loo. Ask for UMBYE - he'll show you the new ceiling Art Deco.
We had a fairly new restaurant in town named NOM NOM which was excellent. Sadly, they has to close their doors due to the pandemic. I’m hopeful that they will give it another shot.
@Barbara S - Thanks for answering today’s most important question. As to whether or not Canadian anglophones use EHS more than folk in the lower 48 - You do. Drive a mile south from my old condo and the EHS fall like the pins at a five-pin bowling alley. There’s a comparable increase when one crosses the bridge into the U.P., often leading to comparison of Yoopers to Canadians. People in the US exaggerate EH’S usage, but it is comparable to “sorry” as a Canadianism.
@Anon5:39 - Well said. I do love the double standard imposed by people like the other anon. I’ll care what they think when they denounce much more heinous rhetoric spewed from “conservatives.”
@3:25 - I think WV was leading in opioid overdose deaths for awhile. I don’t know where they are at now. Rural areas tend to be more conservative and also tend to have higher rates of substance abuse of all kinds. But correlation is not necessarily indicative of causation.
The first time I ever saw Bette. She ain’t no Mick Jagger. Ļ
@pabloinnh - Whoopsie. Just remember I’m the Ļ to @A’s Ī±.
@Smith – Our choirmaster just sent around an email saying that the choir won't be singing at Christmas Eve late Mass or on Christmas Day after all. We'd rehearsed a bunch of stuff for the last two weeks. Apparently they are allowing attendance by the congregation, so I don't really get it – we're well-separated from everyone in the chapel. But he says they looked around at what other churches are doing and many are reverting to virtual. Oh well.
It’s been mostly respectful but it’s time to take the political discussion elsewhere. This is a Crossword Blog.
@Joe D 7:01 - Singing, especially joyous singing, may (emphasis on “may”) be a risky behavior. I know choir practices were identified as super-spreader events early on. It seems like a well ventilated sanctuary would be safer than a rehearsal room, but I can understand not wanting to put congregants at risk. It still stinks to have to cancel yet again.
@Joe - our music director is beside himself. He had a string quartet from Julliard lined up and some other "ringers" (not handbells, people we pay) out of NYC, all canceled today put of fear not for themselves but for family they would see on Saturday. Also had a rash of people calling today to say that a family member is positive so they're out for the entire weekend.
Like going backwards.
@Bocamp, it warms my heart to find you confessing you also had a disaster. No way this was a Wed. puz.
And @mathgent, agree whole-heartedly re shun vs. SNUB.
Otherwise my heart's in fine shape.
-8 and unlikely to get much further.
I'm always fascinated by what my fellow solvers know or don't know - so, for example, all those sports figures and rappers are generally unknown to me. But I'm a Japanese food fan so Nigiri was a "gimme" - and as a Bugs Bunny fan so was Liszt. And I'm not too sensitive to grid structure - but when I looked at the puzzle I thought "robot!" and so I was intrigued to see where in sci-fi land the puzzle was going to take me. I was not disappointed. All that plus "Morbid Curiosity" one of my favorite answers in a long time - made this puzzle a delight - and one of the easiest Wednesdays in a long time. Thank you constructors!
Time was when the norm for themed puzzles was three theme entries then that went to four and these days we are seeing five or even six themers. Sometimes I think xwords are evolving away from an emphasis on having interesting words and phrases crossing one another to one where the them is paramount and the words crossing each other is just an inconvenient chore. Maybe more like a wordplay puzzle than a crossword puzzle.
I'm a NASA nerd from the earliest days so I appreciated seeing the Mars explorers and I thought all the theme entry phrases were top notch. But five grid spanners just put too many restrictions on what would work for fill, as has been amply highlighted by previous commenters.
And reveals typically show up after the themers but here the reveal is in the fourth theme slot with another themer yet to come. They are all grid spanners so the reason is likely that it just couldn't be made to work there, another effect of the limited choices you get with themer bloat. I nominate NOMNOM as the term for a puzzle whose fill suffers noticeably because of themer bloat.
Again my inner NASA nerd enjoyed the theme and I'm not criticizing the puzzle so much as criticizing the trend toward theme bloat with subsequent deterioration in fill quality. My inner word nerd enjoys the interesting words and phrases crossing each other thingy.
When I was a kid several of us would go down to the river and fish for a few hours until we caught enough for a family fish fry that afternoon. We caught mostly crappie and BREAM. The breading and hot oil was waiting when we got back and it wasn't long until the feast was on. It was delicious beyond description. Sharing with 12-15 family members was a treat that I probably appreciate more now than then. The cats loved it too because they got to eat the fish entrails!
Yet another day where I found this much easier than Rex. And I agree with my cousin 12:59 Anon that I never really notice or care about the symmetry of the puzzle. The bottom was a bit slower than the top, and a few less than familiar words, but nothing that the crosses couldn't reveal.
As a former West Virginian (PhD, never done drugs) I do think Midler's comment was out of line to insult an entire population because she doesn't agree with their elected official's politics. Ironically, her statement actually sounded a lot like something Trump would say. And why is she so aggrieved? This bill would not affect her or anyone she associates with, I'm sure.
@Z – We wear our masks when we rehearse (in the church, not a practice room) and at Mass, including while we are singing. We never take them off. And we're way at the back of the altar, nowhere near any of the pews. There's tons of empty space. And all of us are vaxxed. We're a pretty small group right now, about 15, and some members aren't going to be there anyway.
If anything the congregants are more likely to get it from each other, so if they're really worried they should go back to doing completely virtual masses like in 2020. Who knows, they may decide to go that route before the weekend.
@Joe, Z
Our choir also wears masks, some of them the special singing masks. Agreed that people in the pews are more likely to get it from each other. But noticing out here in MORRIS County that other houses of worship of various denominations are back to capacity limits and pre-registration, or just live streaming. We proposed livestreaming with only the worship and music staff in the sanctuary and were denied (such is Presbyterian life, everything is decided by committee).
Meanwhile our youngest in CA tested + and is miserably sick. J&J but no booster š so I'm worried...
I know I've seen this linked to, but I don't remember if it's been mentioned here, yet. So, an interesting piece by Anna Shechtman from the 12/27 issue of The New Yorker.
@Smith - I hope they recover quickly. This is by someone in similar circumstances as your youngest. You might find it helpful.
@Z I think that the states that lead in opioid deaths are those states where a lot of the work (mining in particular) is hard, dangerous, manual labor . . . hence more injuries, more pain, more doctors filling out prescriptions for Oxy, and Bob's your uncle.
To the puz . . . . . never heard of NOM NOM, but overall a few minutes faster than my average, so must have been in my wheelhouse.
ANGIE one of the Stone's best songs ever.
Z et al.
You are out of your mind(s). Talk about anti -science. Risky behavior?! WTF?!
The virus is endemic. Everyone will get it. If you’re vaccinated, you’ll be fine unless you’re aged or have co-morbidities.
@Smith – I knew what kind of "ringers" you meant. :-) Hope your youngest pulls through okay.
Thank you all
@Smith
I send my wishes and hopes to your youngest and you. My son was on a ventilator for days and the doctors did not know why. They finally figured it out and he pulled through and fully recovered. May your child be as blessed.
The Mars rovers are pretty well known I thought. Those were easy and got me through the puzzle several minutes faster than my average for a Wednesday. Glad to see Rex is shutting down the idiotic back and forth between whoever these people are.
UMBYE dropped right in - like from the Muppet Movie- a classic.
Bravo to the double debut constructors! Great theme. Alas, the fill DIDNT sparkle. RATS! Poor editing results in YET another LOSTOPPORTUNITY for greatness... UMBYE!
The bottom half was a total trivia hot mess for me. Got the top with no errors or problems. Wordplay please!!!
Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for CROSSWORDS
Funny, I DIDNT even notice the non-rotational symmetry while solving. After reading OFF, I looked...oh yeah. Well so what?
The difficulty making this, I see, is finding so many down entries that have to accommodate two gridspanners. That can't be easy, so hats off to the newbies on that score. Predictably, though, this is going to result in some "Whoa there!" fill. No problem at the Space station with ANGIE (DOD Dickinson).
The clue for 57a screams YANKEEINGENUITY, so it was nice to get a 15-letter gimme down there. It helped, for sure. Being a Space buff, I knew the names of the rovers, but like OFF had more trouble with the revealer. MARS MISSIONS would be fine but too short, or MARS EXPLORATION...except there's that pesky plural! I fully agree that MARTIANMISSIONS misses the mark. But: it does fit.
I DIDNT appreciate cluing the BAKES/BAskS kealoa deliberately toward the latter, or of course ACTIII. TYPEA I have resigned myself to, with a sigh. It's gonna happen. OTHER stuff, like NIGIRI, was fairly crossed. I'm into any theme that features Space exploration, since the extended future of humanity depends on us moving on out. We've about RUINED Mother Earth beyond repair already. (Note to politicians: DON'T kill the Space Program!) Birdie.
MY TERN YET?
This TIME no LOSTOPPORTUNITY,
ANGIE and NAOMI want TO strip;
it DIDN'T TEST their INGENUITY
nor MY SPIRIT TO SKINNYDIP.
--- HORACE ODOM, FBI
May be one of the few people left who actually had to become very familiar with OCTAL in order to program General Electric computers in the mid-60s.
ECHO what was said earlier about EHS not really being a Quebec thing other than among we Anglos (perhaps 10% of the population). A LOSTOPPORTUNITY to involve any OTHER Canadian province in the clue. Quebec could have been better employed in a clue at 48A instead as in "Quebec name", eh?
Guess Leslie ODOM Jr. has supplanted my fav ODOM, Blue Moon of the early 70s Oakland A's dynasty?
And BIOTA, BREAM, NIGIRI, DAP and OTITIS: in the immortal lyric from Hair, "Father, Why Do These Words Sound So Nasty?".
UMBYE
I've hated the word nom when I've seen it in a xword puzzle,but it has been clued like this before in a NYTXW. Ive even seen nomnom in one, but not sure if it was a NYTXW. But now that credit is being given to the Cookie Monster, all is forgiven.
Love me some Cookie Monster!
Love me some cookies!
To put it palindromically:
NOM ON
That's a lot of grid span. NOM NOM? Nono.
At one TIME I captained a bed-racing team called The Rollin' SAMOANs. Our 'uniforms' were aloha shirts and shorts. I still have the trophies.
If one RE-EYES the corners . . .
A for effort @spacey, but it's an ANGIE Harmon thing. Yeah baby.
DIDNT have too much trouble.
Tough challenges for me. Let me count a few :
YORKIEPOO (designer dog?)
NOM-nom (what?)
UMBYE (more than awkward)
BREAM (regional crappie)
No DAPs here.
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