THEME: "Pest Control" — you have to WORK OUT THE BUGS (113A: Gradually fix something ... or what to do to understand this puzzle's italicized clues) (i.e. take the names of "bugs" out of the clues) in order to make sense of them:
She is the author of three books, Expecting Better, The Family Firm,and Cribsheet, which discuss a data-driven approach to decision-making in pregnancy and parenting. (wikipedia)
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I'm writing this on Christmas evening. It's the second blog post I've written today, and while I'm more than willing to stipulate that this might have something to do with my impatience with this puzzle, I think that even were this a non-holiday on which I had to write but one blog post, the problems with this puzzle (and there are many) would still be problems. I might be less aggrieved by them, but problems they would remain. Let's start with what a dud the theme is from a solving perspective. Yes, you have that initial bit of confusion where you don't understand why the theme answers don't seem to work with their clues, but if you think about the title even a little bit, it shouldn't take you long to grasp the gimmick—remove "pest," get regular clue. Emphasis here on "regular." Because once you figure out the pest elimination trick, the puzzle gets real dull and real straightforward real quick. The clues aren't clever or funny, they're just ... odd because they've had "pests" added to them, and when you know to look for "pests," then they are very (very) easy to find, and you're just left with plainness. [App for directions] = GOOGLE MAPS. Yep, that is what that app does. Nothing much going on there. And since the rest of the grid is so dense of short stuff, so void of any real interesting fill, once you drain the theme of any interest, you've got nothing left. You just trudge dutifully to the end. There's so much 3,4, and 5-letter fill, and the grid is sooo choppy and fussy, that there are no real opportunities for interesting answers, and it's hard to get any real feeling of flow either. The cluing is toughened up some, perhaps to make up for how easy the theme is, but toughening up short fill never adds much pleasure to the solve, for me. You can see how the fill really deadens the experience. Just stare at a patch like, say, the one in the south, the one that's got IOWAN LOOIE NOONE EKES ONI NESSIE NOTA ANTENNA. Or next door with LSAT AGRA AMEN-RA. There's just all these little crannies filled with RLSTNE letters. The puzzle never really opens up, so it never really gets ... fun.
There are other problems. Structurally, I always find it awkward when there are non-themers that are as long or longer than theme answers, and here this problem occurs in both directions, with SCHOOL TIES and MAIN THEMES (not-themers) being longer than NORTH POLE and SOFT DRINK (themers) and then AL SHARPTON and HEDGES A BET (not-themers) being just as long as GET HITCHED and GOOGLE MAPS (themers). The shortness of MOTHER and CHEESE doesn't bug me. They don't create visual confusion. It's the phantom themers, the ones that are as long or longer than the *long* themers, but aren't actually themers, they're the ones that bug me. They feel out of place. It's a minor inelegance, I suppose, but long themers shouldn't be equalled or surpassed in length by non-themers; that is my opinion (one born of longstanding precedent) and I'm sticking to it. More annoying was the fact that in the SOFT DRINK clue, the "fly" was hiding in the word ... "fly"!?!? All the other "pests" are hidden inside other words, but "fly" is just ... sitting there, not hiding at all. Weird. Less weird and more outright wrong was the fact that "bee" was the "bug" to be "worked out" in 65A: "It has many beet and beef options" (TRUE/FALSE TEST). The title of the puzzle is "Pest Control," but a bee is not a pest. All the other "pests" are common household invaders, and while, yes, sometimes you might find a giant beehive in your shower, mostly bees are just pollinators that live outside and are pests to NO ONE. They don't belong in this puzzle. I don't think MAIN THEMES is that great a standalone answer, but I *know* HEDGES A BET is terrible. It makes EATS A SANDWICH seem solid as a rock. You can hedge your bets. HEDGE ONE'S BETS is acceptable. I had HEDGES BETS, which is awkward, but still seemed reasonable. But A BET? Deep sigh. It's such an awkward verbs-a-noun phrase. I wish there were more good news here, I really do. But there's just the theme concept, which is cute in theory, but in practice, it ends up being boring. The wordplay never really arrives, the wackiness doesn't land. There are a Lot of theme answers, but more of "not great" is just "more not great."
Other things:
74A: Calling (NICHE) — "find your calling," "find your NICHE" ... I'm not sure these are good as synonyms, but horseshoes/hand grenades I guess. You can swap them out and get reasonably similar phrases, so OK.
89A: They can be graphic (TEES) — as in "t-shirts." I wanted ARTS here.
15D: Geek Squad members, e.g. (I.T. PROS) — oof, so hard to parse, so unsatisfying to finally get. That's a lot of abbreviation for an answer to have without there being *any* abbreviation indicators in the clue. To be fair, though, I don't think there's any clue that's going to get me happy about seeing I.T. PROS.
23D: Echo, perhaps (APE) — pfft, even after I got this I didn't get it. They are both forms of imitation or copying or repeating. You "echo" someone, you ... "ape" them? These seem like really, really different activities, but again, you can probably lawyer your way into establishing equivalence.
114D: Demon of Japanese folklore (ONI) — I learned this word from comics—there is a comics imprint called ONI. That ... is how I learned it. I see now that it's not a very interesting story. But it is factual.
This is the last Sunday puzzle of the year. Speaking of end-of-the-year puzzle-related matters, you should get your hands on the latest issue of The New Yorker (dated Dec. 27, 2021). It's a special puzzle-themed issue with lots of truly inventive puzzles by a small army of talented constructors, including an issue-wide meta-puzzle created by Patrick Berry, the ultimate solution to which is a cartoon caption. There's an acrostic, a cryptic, an "Impossible Crossword" by Megan Amram and Paolo Pasco (with both a "Hard" and an "Easy" set of clues), and best of all, there's a beautiful personal essay by Anna Schechtman that opens the issue. It explores the role of crosswords in her life, with particular attention to what it has meant to her to be a *woman* making crosswords. Best of all, from my purely selfish standpoint, she mentions this blog and enshrines the term NATICK in the crossword lexicon forever:
Sincerely, all vanity aside, it's a really wonderful issue. Do check it out.
It took me way, way, way too long to grok the theme and how it worked. Hence, I was ecstatic to have finished sans cheats and was prepared to offer the puzzle and constructor kudos to the nines. However, after reading Rex, I reluctantly agree with him for the most part, and attribute a great deal of the seeming difficulty to my recent knee replacement and a possible excess of Oxicodon involved with the 4 hour drive to SeaTac (through snow, no less) to deliver our daughter to the mercies of Alaska Airlines today. BTW, I was not actually driving, but the knee was,and is, still rebelling.
Sorry to not get an earlier chance to wish all of you Happy Holidays.
Mediumish except for the part where I left in SOda DRINK for way too long. I caught the theme about half way through and it was very helpful in finishing. Clever and fun, liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did.
It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out “the trick”. In my defense, I was preoccupied watching my Packers almost blow their game today against Cincinnati. I swear, those boys are going to give me an ulcer.
After all that trauma, I was able to finish this and I loved it. Took me a while to figure out that the bugs were in the clues and not the answers. Like I said, I was distracted.
Man, I just solve these puzzles I don't care what the f*ck they're about. I take every challenge, big or small, and attack it like a man. Most often I do this under the influence of heavy narcotics.
My biggest problem...Lyrics to Thriller: "'Cause I can thrill you more than any GHOST (not GHOUL) would ever dare try" Once I saw that I knew that we were in for it...
My big overwrite was cRISp for the fall air at 60A. That left my club relative as a CLT (chicken, lettuce & tomato?) and my boarding place a pENNEL (a small pen?). They all looked fine to me until the happy music kept its silence.
It was Sunday. It was big. Took me forever to realize it wasn’t G.I. Joe’s TRACT and the “club” wasn’t a card suit or a place to dance. Running the alphabet was required. Not TRACe/BLe. TRACk and BLk and the club suit is black? TRACT… Ohhh Gastrointestinal TRACT and BLT.
It would take some time, but I think the clue writer could have infested every clue. I’ll leave to you if 142 pest infested clues would have have been an improvement.
Clean Up in Aisle Yesterday - Potential Spoiler Alert @albatross shell - text speak is bad fill. “spelt out” letters are bad fill. combining the two is just bad fill squared. Exponentially ughly. That is the source of my complaint. @Anoa Bob - To me it is more like “degree” than “Fahrenheit” so is fine as clued. Everywhere I looked wanted me to rent a car, but after I refined my search I kept getting “a unit.”
I was saddened to see "bee" included here as a pest. Without bees, we would have very little food to eat. They are far, far from being pests. Now, if they had somehow worked "wasp" into a clue, I would be all in. They are Satan's spawn!
Oh, the theme was fun, and when it hit me, it brought a nice ping of delight, but my favorite part of this puzzle were the vague clues, where I had to wait for crosses, then do think-work that would bring the joyous aha of revelation. It’s that think-work, that figuring out, that feels so good to my brain. The pat on the back of getting the answer is nice too, yes, but it’s that grunt work that makes my brain feel alive and happy.
To me, there were enough vague areas in the puzzle to make the entire solving experience deeply satisfying and brain-nourishing, sparked by several fun clues, like those for USO TOUR and RPMS.
Satisfying, nourishing, plus fun – I greatly enjoyed this. Thank you so much for all the work you put into this (as you describe in your notes), Christina!
@Otto - You just don’t do enough crossword puzzles. AMEN RA - 32 NYTX appearances going back to 1955 and appearing at least twice under each editor. AMoN RA - 6 NYTX appearances (appearing in 1966 then not again until 2007). AMuN RA - 2 NYTX appearances, the first in 2020. AMEN RA has Patrick Berry Immunity and I see OFL used it in a 2013 puzzle.
@Anon12:39 - PUBLIC HOUSE - In other words, B and B is just a modern term for a PUBLIC HOUSE.
Well, I liked this puzzle, even if there was no Christmas theme! Contrary to OFL, I though the cluing was very clever. Sorta shows, you'lll find bugs and critters everywhere you look. (My wife would disagree that a bee is not a pest. If exterminators come to rid a house of a hive, this might be one way to think of bees, in the context of this puzzle. In the end, all bugs have their place in the ecosystem.)
I was held up brieFLY in thinking autumn air was crisp, ceramic tiles were in an inlay, and maybe the relative of a club was a bat. I do agree that MAINTHEMES and HEDGESABET were a bit weak. The only clue I took some issue with was "G.I.": "Gastrointestinal" (as in TRACT) is one word, so the abbreviation should have no periods as printed. But then, I suppose by my logic, the abbreviation should be a simple "G."
Thanks for replying Z. I know I’m focusing on minutiae but “Hers” is a possessive pronoun and not a “Big Name”? I wouldn’t get it but it filled in by itself.
In the lyrics of Thriller Jacko gave us his formula for grooming children: “They're out to get you There's demons closing in on every side They will possess you Unless you change that number on your dial Now is the time For you and I to cuddle close together, yeah All through the night I'll save you from the terrors on the screen I'll make you see”
In my world, the theme clues were not italicized so it made the puzzle more of a challenge. Rex calls the theme a "dud"; I thought it was quite clever.
And, yes, a bee can be a pest. Not in the technical sense of being dangerous, but in the colloquial sense of being annoying. My neighbor is extremely useful as he knows everything about electrical and plumbing; he would purposely harm no one. But sometimes he shows up at the most inopportune time and makes a pest of himself. Bees are vital - essential, really - but sometimes can be a pest.
BOCCE really needs to be an Olympic sport. I would so watch that.
Not a lot of proper names today, but many were tough: SACHA, ERIC, OSTER complete unknowns. MENA I would never have come up with, but it rang a bell after the fact. Same for EAZY-E. I did know HESSE and ANNA, though.
Since I am a fan of this type of wordplay, I llok favorable on the puzzle. Not so much many of the comments about the puzzle. If you don't like something, it's OK to say so. But to imply the puzzle is bad because you don't like it or to imply the editors were stupid for publishing it - well I guess that grows tiresome on me after a while. So I just read a few of the sentences of the wrtie-up and skipped to the comments which I admit to just skipping through most of them. But I did complete the puzzle.
Happy (and if you are so inclined) holy wishes on this feast day. It is finally Christmas Season so the TV and radio station will, after today, forget about the true season. But if you like Bach, go to WKCR.org.
Charles55: Google 'hers brand' and you will see that it is a company offering women's make-up products and such. (Google is a search engine on the world-wide web; the world wide web is.....)
I would like to thank "afroed" for convincing me to abandon ship very early on this piece of dreck. It seemed that every area of the puzzle that I skipped back and forth to just aggravated me more and more. When I arrived at 92 down with the r and o in place, I decided that "afroed" would be the breaking point.
I will not even go into any detail about what I hated because it would just cause me to re-live the experience. Those of you who were able to enjoy this, good for you.
Thought the theme was cute and overall liked it more than Rex - but it was a little much for a Sunday sized grid. Figured the trick at PUBLIC HOUSE. I don’t have the same hard on with longer non-themers that Rex does - sometimes it’s neat sussing them out. Top themer for me was GET HITCHED.
There definitely was some rough fill throughout - Rex calls out most of it. I liked ENHALO and the cluing for STAPLER and ANTENNA.
Love when Jack calls HESSE an old fart in Big Sur.
Didn’t like the clue for 43a - the A TRAIN does not stop at JFK.
Not exactly a classic Sunday solve - but I had some fun with it.
@Z, replying "Exactly what the clue says" does not answer the question. Presumably, we can all read. And I see nothing in your link re. B and B that explains the connection either.
Since we're stomping out BUGS today, here is your Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) clue for this grid:
Eliminates, with "out" (5 letters)
I would like to say that my forgetting to look at the Sunday puzzle title kept me from gleaning the gimmick with the theme, but even after I solved the revealer, WORK OUT THE BUGS, I was unable to grasp it. Finally figured it out with "Blouse & Broach" (already had PUBLIC HOUSE in place, but couldn't figure out why it was correct). And I agree with Rex, once you figured out one, the others were easy to get--although I struggled far too long for TRUE FALSE TEST.
And after all that, I dnf'ed on eCLOUD/PeCS instead of ICLOUD/PICS. (Not an Apple guy.)
Answer to the HDW:
ROOTS (begins with the R in SOFT DRINK, moves SE)
Technically saw my first 6 letter diagonal today--PATICE, which according to the web is a scientific reference to the Patagonian ice sheet. But I can't imagine PATICE clued for a puzzle, even a challenging Saturday, so the search for a longer-than-5-letter HDW continues.
MOTHER of GHOUL...Boy, I AFROED. My TUT TUT ran away from Mr. Tsk and his twin. I wanted to know who cut the CHEESE. I had no idea what Christina was after. I know the theme title says PEST CONTROL. So what? Why is the HORSE BACK RIDER a Pest? I went about my business doing this puzzle because I was up early and still full of food and the Christmas wrappings have been picked up and the dishes put away and everyone is still in bed and even though I swore I'd stop doing Sunday, I was bored. OK...so I get to the reveal. WORK OUT THE BUGS. OK...so I went back upstairs and managed to find the embedded BUGS. Wait one cotton picken minute sez I, A Bee is not a BUG. It's an insect in my little book of knowledge of such things. Yeah, to some they might be a PEST (not to me), but they certainly aren't BUGS....Ugh. I then went looking for things that would bring a smile or two. About the only thing that stood out was BOOZE......oh, and ATRAIN. But why ATRAIN you ask....because, well, I have long and boring stories about taking it in an out of JFK and having a perfect stranger fall asleep on my shoulder. He was kinda cute, though.
I loved this one. When I filed in "MOTHER" for Malice I thought something was amiss with the constructor. Leter, the revealer helped me clean up the last bits, afforded some Aha! moments, and I liked fun clues like that for YETI. I'm female; maybe made a difference?
What @jae said (liked it). Used the theme for answers. @Lewis, birth mother: very clever, and a pest, indeed! @eggs, ouch, feel better soon. Folks in PT with me who had knee replacements seemed to be in more pain than we hipsters. Good Boxing Day!
First theme answer I got was MOTHER which made no sense with or without the MOTH removed. Kept looking for bugs in all the theme answers after that, and my brain wouldn't let go. I didn't figure out the theme until the puzzle was done (*), and it's all MOTHER's fault (**).
(*) which means the theme clues contributed NOTHING to the solve for me, so there's a bit of added challenge. This one went slowly.
@pmdm - Rex is on record as preferring titles to revealer clue/answers. His main objection today seems to be that he figured out the wordplay too early because of the Title, so the Title spoiled the solve. This is the exact reason I prefer not to have titles. They’re just potential spoilers.
@Anon8:47 - You’re presuming that HERS was recognized as something searchable. Wordplay is often resistant to googling. @Charlesr55 - Yep. Just because somebody adopted HERS as a brand name doesn’t mean that brand should be used to clue HERS. @TJS - I linked to the HERS website. And B&B, short for Bed and Breakfast, is just a specific type of inn, which is what a PUBLIC HOUSE is. Indeed, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some current B&Bs started life as PUBLIC HOUSEs a couple of hundred years ago, especially in the NE.
Brilliant and inspired -- a marvelous conceit, expertly and deviously rendered.
But you have to understand, Christina, I hated you before I loved you.
I found this torture to wrestle with until I got (and understood) the theme, which I skipped down to 113A to WORK OUT. I seldom do that -- I usually solve in order -- but I knew I needed help today. Even then and despite the very APT revealer which told me exactly what to do, I somehow wanted to focus on the bugs rather than on the absence of bugs, if you see what I mean.
I had 3 of the 5 letters for CHEESE all the way down at 116A when I noticed the "brie" in the clue. Aha!!! The "fly" had gone bye bye.
Back up the puzzle I went. I already had PUBLIC HOUSE, but now I inderstood it. I quickly filled in HORSEBACK RIDER, MOTHER, TRUE-FALSE TEST, etc. Everything made sense now. I couldn't write fast enough. My suffering was behind me.
One of the cleverest puzzles I've ever done. It wasn't much fun -- until suddenly it was a real blast!
@Z 9:37a - another one of these nuanced clues we see so much. You can take the A TRAIN to the Howard Beach stop - but to actually get to JFK you have to transfer to the Airtrain for another 10 minute ride. The Airtrain is a monorail shuttle around the airport and surrounding areas - so the MTA added the JFK designation on the A line to draw people in to utilize it.
Bottom line recommendation for visitors - if you’re in Manhattan don’t take the A TRAIN to JFK if you can help it.
It took me forever to finish this and the cluing was so painful. I need to remember lyrics to Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'? I'm supposed to know that HERs, which the women in my family have never heard of, is a 'big name'? A B and B is not a public house. Sorry Z. No one uses it that way anymore. And it was the mix of new and old clues in this that made me feel like I was getting whiplash. Then, in 65 across I remove the two bees to get a 't and f test' and the answer is TRUEFALSETEST? Are you kidding me? I wasted my time on that? I didn't feel sharp today. Was it post-holiday hangover, fears about cognitive decline and aging, lack of exercise? All of the above? Perhaps these contributed. But it was a lousy puzzle. It's comforting to read others struggled too.
Almost an hour for my son and me.... Tough cluing on the short stuff, like rex said, enjoyed getting the theme, especially when it fixed Antarctic and made it Arctic..... Thanks! Fun puzzle. I agree with rex too about the bees.... Need to keep them as friends! Merry Christmas to all who celebrate! --Rick
This was one of the ugliest Franken-puzzles that I've ever managed to get a clean grid on and one of the most difficult as well . There were no italicized clues in the version I printed out last night. That alone ratcheted up the difficulty.
I just plugged away at this thing from top to bottom. It was virtually filled by the time the revealer went in and by that time I wasn't going to waste any time looking for hidden bugs in the theme entries.
I couldn't crack that SW corner last night and had to wait until this morning and a fresh look. What finally broke the dam was associating Snaps with PICS. Shades of yesterday's 1A clue. How can it be so easy one day and near impossible the next? This forced me to see the connection between "Briefly, e.g." and CHEESE and recall the symetrically placed MOTHER clued by "Malice" and the theme lightbulb finally went off.
I can't say that I really enjoyed this but I did get a great deal of puzzling out of it.
My addled brain, trying to remove the pesty LICE from PUBLICHOUSE, somehow kept coming up with PUBICLICE. Pesty indeed and I'm glad that was a very wrong track.
You must have been VERY preoccupied with that game since the Packers beat Cleveland, not Cincinnati. And sorry but, Aaron Rodgers has turned me into an anti-Packer fan. That hasn't stopped him from continuing to be an All-Pro quarterback.
I loved the theme of this puzzle. I know some solvers pooh-pooh having the "trick" in the clues rather than the answer but I enjoyed finding the bugs in the clues, that is, after I'd finished solving, as I never stopped to figure it out until I was done. Even with the revealer in place, the penny never dropped. Thus, finding the TICK in chapsTICK was a true AHA for HORSEBACK RIDER. (I got deked on sOuTH POLE, for sure.)
I'm glad I had NO ONE in place at 99D because it was then immediately obvious that ShIRkS was wrong for 93D.
I took 78A's clue as looking for the Russian for "War and Peace"; I rushed to fill in MIR at the end, only to see 81D was going to be ETAT. Too bad, I was interested in finding out what "war" was in Russian!
Christina, you are quickly becoming a Sunday puzzle constructor pro, thanks!
I realized from 16d that I'd never paid any attention to the lyrics of "Thriller" before. Michael Jackson's pronunciation of nearly everything is contorted. What he seems to be singing sounds like either "ghout" or "ghoud". There is no real "L" sound at the end to confirm it as ghoul, but there is no audible "S" sound that would confirm it as ghost. It comes up several times and it always sounds the same (to me).
All the online lyric sites have it as "ghost". Jim Horne at XWord Info also says it's "ghost" and that the clue is in error. I downloaded the sheet music to see what's printed on there, but the line isn't included.
@Joe Dipinto - Genius Lyrics has it as GHOUL. AZ Lyrics has it as GHOUL. Songlyriccs.com has it as GHOUL. LyricsFreak has it as GHOUL. LyricsOnDemand has it as GHOUL. Only Lyrics.com has it as GHOSt as far as I can tell. Where were you looking? As JTull implied I'd probably have chosen to avoid a Michael Jackson clue altogether.
@PhysGraf - I think all of the pests are used twice although we get "lice" and "louse."
@Anon10:03 - No one uses it that way anymore - Take it up with Shortz et al. I was just explaining, not endorsing.
@Son Volt - if you’re in Manhattan don’t take the A TRAIN to JFK if you can help it. As in don't take the subway or as in there's a more direct line?
HOW is there no rant about APT?!? I came here to find the company in my ranting about “the missing letters” flying - what a sad and pathetic clue. Let’s just give words and take out letters. That’s a fill in the blank puzzle - not a crossword! I get that (oh hey) the answer has the same meaning as the word in the clue missing letters - but what a juvenile clue. Drove me absolutely bonkers and was sad Rex didn’t rant about it… so here’s my rant instead! Happy Sunday all…
Maybe I would have liked this better if the theme clues COULDA actually been italicized the way 113A said they were, but they weren’t. Not a one. At least not on my printout. So I plodded through this as a themeless and solved it with a bunch of answers that didn’t make any sense.
After getting the revealer, I knew it had something to do with removing names of insects and got hung up on the fact that the word LOUSE is hidden inside PUBLIC HOUSE, but when I got rid of the LOUSE, I ended up PUBICH, a word that pretty much sums up my reaction to this puzzle.
@Z – Yes, that was very considerate of @Jtull. *yawn* Anyway, LyricFind has it as "ghost" as does Billboard. I thought I found at least another. I shouldn't have said "all", but my post's point was that since Michael Jackson's pronunciation is so often exaggerated or garbled, from listening to the recording you could make a case for either one. I was hoping to find something with a copyright notice on it. The album had an insert printed with all the lyrics but I can't locate an image that shows "Thriller". I'd take whatever's on there as official.
Started the puzz after everyone left and I'd cleaned up the mess, and it was just me and the granddog, one of us half zonked on a quart of rummy eggnog and an evening of chocolate sampling. Damn dog.
Obviously, things didn't start out well.
Think I recall one time quite a while back when the clues were the thing. It's brilliant, but not something I could have fun with after a culinary pounding. Beyond that I Might, Mother, Oppose this Ruse because of the Booze.
Anyway, had to cheat in the NW corner for Ordain. I wanted Vote In but Vote was busy elsewhere. Other than that, I Coulda been a contender
There was a lot to love here, especially Spearheaded, a word I forgot existed.
I can't believe the writeup didn't complain about ants, roaches, flies and ticks being reused in the theme clues. Surely there are enough pests in the world to create unique themers. If not, maybe just have less theme clues.
Peekin ahead to the revealer clue's info was essential, for gettin the solvequest movin at our house. Up til then, M&A was tryin to somehow remove bugs from the theme answers. I blame the moth in MOTHER for that.
This here constructioneer sure likes to make Sunday-sized puzs. Congratz to her bravery. M&A has made a couple of SunPuz-sized xwords in his day, but it was always a real tough uphill project for m&e. Good for M&A to suffer, but he always ended up whimperin and runnin back to makin runtpuzs for relief.
[Ironically, M&A made and published a runtpuz just a coupla days ago, that uses a theme mcguffin sorta similar to today's SunPuz theme. Good thing the SunPuz didn't try to take it to the lengths that M&A did, tho… woof! See below.]
staff weeject pick: ONI. Ah, yes -- the famed Demon of Japanese folklore. That weeject was indeed demonic, in its nanosecond impact.
Thanx for the fun, Ms. Iverson darlin. Them clues really bugged us, tho.
I'm a woman who has used lots of hair products in my many years but never heard of "Hers." I just googled it ... it's minoxidil, for hair loss. Spelled "hers." Big name?? Not to me.
On every online "lyrics" site, it's ghost. Here's Billboard: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/music/lyrics/michael-jackson-thriller-lyrics-8543163/amp/
@eggs, 12:25 AM I sympathize with your struggle with k ee replacement. I had my second one in April after having to wait an extra year beyond the original planned date due to the pandemic. The wait caused the surgery and hence the recovery to be just a big cluster “experience.” Hang in there and don’t quit the rehab. Best wishes for a full recovery!
Been a Cleveland fan since the late 50s and was heart broken. When there were no “Browns” any more. For a die hard Cleveland fan, there is nothing worse than being clobbered by the Pack. Ugh.
No wheelhouse, not even a place in line to buy a ticket to this ride! I usually enjoy a really hard Sunday themed puzz, but not today. Could be I am still too tired from trying to coax my grieving cat to eat or drink. The loss of my sweet avatar cat on the 18th se t both my dear torby (tortoise-tabby mix), Pip and me into a dark tailspin. However, while I engaged in stress eating, she refused any and all food and drink for 5 whole days and sat on the cable tuner box to keep warm while she grieved. Had to get her to the vet for fluids on Christmas eve. And in mid-solve, today, our wonderful Doc B called to check on us. I happily reported that Pip ate 4 treats and washed them down with a few laps of water.
From there I was on to solving but took an i credibly long time and gave me no joy. ‘Fraid I also agree with OFL today. This seems to have been more fun for the constructor than the solver, but I could easily be persuaded otherwise since my heart wasn’t really in it this entire past week.
@Z 11:57a - from midtown the quickest and most comfortable public transit trip to JFK is via the LIRR to Jamaica and then the Airtrain to the airport. That’s typically a 40-45 minute trip. Comparatively - using the A TRAIN will cost you twice the time most of it standing up.
Love the A TRAIN - it’s the longest ride end to end in the city and has had a deep historical impact connecting Harlem and Bed Stuy. As an engineer who’s worked on a number of track and tunnel projects for MTA - I have an affinity for the subway system overall - it just was never planned to access the airports at the outer edges of Queens and Brooklyn.
In the blurb under the constructor's name, it says: "Christina says she aims to make puzzles that are fun and accessible."
This one was neither. I haven't had a DNF in months, but this one was. I didn't get the theme until I read Rex's analysis. If it's that opaque to me...
I am also going to criticize the cluing of AL SHARPTON as "politico." He ran for office a few times, never winning. Though he can, I suppose, be described as a "political activist," "politico" is just plain wrong. Fortunately, I got that one from the crosses.
Most Sundays, even if challenging, don't make me angry. This one did.
Never did get the gimmick, until Rex explained it to me. In fact, I was able to make sense of some, not all, of the clues just by interpreting them as ways of working out the bugs -- that is, finding the alternate explanation. I will blushingly admit, for instance, that I have often stayed at the Blouse and Broach in Natick, a favorite of mine. The only clue that completely baffled was Antarctic. Oh, well, a finish is a finish.
Son Volt—- From mid town your best best is go to Newark and skip Queens altogether. Can’t recall. We’re you part of the Grand Central kerfuffle recently?
@Z – Thanks, that's what I found but I couldn't pull up the "Thriller" portion of it. Someone probably submitted the lyrics with "ghoul", having heard it that way, to one site and it got copied to other sites.
This was the hardest puzzle I can ever remember, and for no good reason. Even after reading OFL's "explanation" of the gimmick, I *still* can't make it work. I have a better idea for WS's New Year's Resolution. Retire. Now.
I never see the puzzle name until after solving (on the app), so my experience was the opposite of Rex’s. I could not figure out any of the theme answers, even when I got them from crosses (such as HORSEBACK RIDER). So for me, getting the revealer was crucial, and it took forever.
I got IOWAN and NO ONE pretty quickly, but I thought it was LOOey instead of LOOIE, and that kept me from getting SKIRTS and EKES. ONI could have been any three letters to me, and I had TimE instead of TUNE for a good thing to be in. AuntS instead of NANAS messed up the crosses for the next section, plus what Rex said on HEDGES A BET. The one that infuriated me was cluing NUNS as letters on a dreidel instead of the obvious. Why is Hebrew the only foreign alphabet we are expected to know? When I finally got the revealer, the themers I didn’t have fell easily. But took way longer than my average, and much of that time was frustrating rather than fun.
Agree with those who have said that repeating pests took a little away from the theme, but hard to make “termite” and “locust” work, I guess.
You say the title of the puzzle, “Pest Control,” made it easy to solve. I do my puzzles on my iPad through the NYT app and no title appears anywhere. I had a lot of trouble with this puzzle and it was no fun to solve.
Me too. I loved the challenge, especially figuring out the tricks in the clues. So many of these complaints blow me away. Do you all just want something easy???
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen Amen Ra in a puzzle. I just put it in, accept that I have a crappy puzzle and move on. pop fly Naticked me. Got stuck on the French Nickname thing and kept going with Cola drink or Soda drink. Had to come here to find soft drink. (There ARE uncarbonated soft drinks, like -ades, that are not pop).
The first theme answer I got was MOTHER in the northeast. Since that word contained "MOTH", I thought the pests were in the fill. Didn't realize until way later they were in the clues. I got most of the theme answers by the crosses or by inference - quite the slog. That was a legitimate misdirect, though, whether intentional or not.
@Gin Murphy - Sunday is the only day of the week with a title which may be why you didn't notice it. Open the puzzle again on the iPad app and look to the left of the timer.
@Anon 2:58 - They are both variations on an "inn" which is more than close enough for cluing purposes. Disagree? Take it up with Shortz.
and... the first 'win' in my case "briefly" came out spEEdo, and so down the rabbit hole. not helped that the intro read as if the 'bug' was in the answer. along with many others, apparently.
@CDilly52 Losing, or nearly losing, a pet is far worse than having a knee replacement, which, after all, is only going to make my life easier and funner.
I’m so glad to hear that Pip is doing better. Thanks to you and others for the encouragement.
@Son Volt: it just was never planned to access the airports at the outer edges of Queens and Brooklyn.
was the A line even built when there were airplanes? let's go see...well, may be not. according to the wiki, the Rockaway line (which includes JFK) began in either 1869 or 1880, later merged into the MTA.
Didn’t get to the puzzle til the evening. So had to scan all the comments in case anyone had noted this already. But for “Demon of Japanese folklore” I had ON_ from crosses. So tempting to finish with an O.
Sticking with the bipolar theme this week, this played MUCH harder to me than most Sundays. I usually finish Sundays unhelped, but today couldn't get much over 50% before I had to look up some words.
Didn't get the theme until 75% done. I knew NONE of the names (my nemesis). Economist Emily?? WTF??? AFROED is a work? ENHALO?? When was the last time you used that in a sentence?? not an Apple person so I didn't know icloud was a thing new kealoa - SHIRKS/SKIRTS, at least it caught me.
PEARL for "One hanging around Queen Elizabeth"? A necklace hangs around, not a pearl. And is Queen Elizabeth (II? I?) famous for a pearl? Bah. GETS AT for "Intimates"? Hints at, maybe. SCHOOL TIES for "nepotism, symbolically? Yikes. and as Brian said, ewes are in flocks, not herds. I liked the theme, but this needed editing.
Rex's review is perhaps a bit too negative. Maybe it was a holiday hangover, but a few answers made me giggle: Soap for "wet bar"; Nessie for "famous crytid"; Data for "modern mining". And I am left to imagine what a brie fly might look like, kinda like Drosophila with a beret?
I was bothered by the duplication of pests, but @Z's point that each one appears exactly twice makes it OK.
The Egyptians wrote in hieroglyphics, folks -- there is no correct or incorrect spelling of AMEN-RA.
Most pubs are not B&Bs, but they can be; I have stayed in one, eyars ago, while walking the Cotswold Way.
OK, this is Monday night -- I wasn't going to do Sunday, but the challenge got to me, so I did it and then came here. Probably no one will read my comment, but FWIW I do agree that AFROED is horrible.
I had the grid about 75% filled, top down, and was still completely at sea [crosswordy-phrase-alert!] on the theme when I reached the revealer....
AHA! Light dawns on Marblehead! I love having to work for my crossword food Pellet! It doesn't happen often enough. Tougher than average fill too. Never mind the nitpickers [see what I did there?] Excellent puzzle
DNBTF. First of all no clues were italicized. Then OFL gets all vain with Natick. That's OK until the end of the chosen article. One of the best backpacks I ever had was a Jansport. Why would I ever "confess to be a man". There's some 'justified' sexism. So then . . . MENA Suvari, yeah baby. Hope you all hated anything to do with this puz as much as I did.
I basically agree with OFF today. Besides which, the pests are in PAIRs: ANTs, ROACHes, FLYs, TICKs. There are lots more pests. Although admittedly, BRATTYLITTLEBROTHER might be tough to fit in. Then again, after removing the ANTs, we have reinfested the puzzle with ANTENNA. Doesn't work. Bogey.
I believe that most - if not all - of those who hated this puzzle were unable to finish it and rather than concede that they were not up to the task, slagged the constructor. I gave up on completing the puzzle, looked up a few answers, and - thus apprised of the conceit - finished it with joy. Well done Christina!
I loved John X's post: "Man, I just solve these puzzles I don't care what the f*ck they're about. I take every challenge, big or small, and attack it like a man. Most often I do this under the influence of heavy narcotics." (I'm not sure about the heavy narcotics, but he's spot on: Take up the challenge and cut out the whinging).
And the link to the Monty Python skit should remind us all how far ahead of their time they were.
"Whenever Rex delivers one of his *women* sermons it always reminds me of this.
As well, I'm not surprised that Rex was not triggered by the inclusion of Al Sharpton, one of the most deceitful, dishonest and odious creatures ever placed upon this planet. (I'd guess that OFL (our feckless leader) would have to retreat to his safe space if he watched the Python skit as well).
@Geome - See my first post. *NO* clues were italicized in my paper. Sundays are generally a slog anyway. By the time I got to the revealer to know there were supposed to be italicized answers I had lost interest. I do all of the puzzles and finish 99% of them correctly. Hell, I do the Harper's puzzle which takes hours to complete. I was not about to sift through 142 clues to find the BUGS. I often agree with your posts, but be careful with your generalizations on who is whining. The St. Paul Pioneer Press ruined the solve for me.
It was a harder puzzle when the paper doesn’t italicize the theme clues! I just left answers there because they seemed to work both ways, but didn’t look for the “bugs” afterward! And I agree that bees are not pests, but I knew what she was intending.
Same as Diana--it didn't make sense to me until antelope.
Perhaps it would have been better if that were in the north, but the real problem is that the italics didn't exist in the syndie version. There's no excuse for this sloppiness. Either get the syndicated version right, or use something it can get right--an asterisk would have been fine! It's especially egregious here because some of the themers were so small--how am I supposed to know that "Briefly, e.g." is a themer when the answer is only six letters?
The fill presented a lot of difficulties, too. Not a pleasant solving experience at all--as Wesley Willis used to say, I heard no rock music.
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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It took me way, way, way too long to grok the theme and how it worked. Hence, I was ecstatic to have finished sans cheats and was prepared to offer the puzzle and constructor kudos to the nines. However, after reading Rex, I reluctantly agree with him for the most part, and attribute a great deal of the seeming difficulty to my recent knee replacement and a possible excess of Oxicodon involved with the 4 hour drive to SeaTac (through snow, no less) to deliver our daughter to the mercies of Alaska Airlines today. BTW, I was not actually driving, but the knee was,and is, still rebelling.
Sorry to not get an earlier chance to wish all of you Happy Holidays.
Mediumish except for the part where I left in SOda DRINK for way too long. I caught the theme about half way through and it was very helpful in finishing. Clever and fun, liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did.
Since when is a B&B a public house?
I can't believe the NYTimes would end the year with such a dud of a puzzle. There was nothing pleasurable about it at all.
I'll say this for the themers: there were a bunch of them. But, as with so many things, less is more.
Kinda hafta agree with OFL on this one.
The most notable thing was the 78D (MENA) clue mentioning @J-Dip's favorite movie one day after he brought it up.
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It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out “the trick”. In my defense, I was preoccupied watching my Packers almost blow their game today against Cincinnati. I swear, those boys are going to give me an ulcer.
After all that trauma, I was able to finish this and I loved it. Took me a while to figure out that the bugs were in the clues and not the answers. Like I said, I was distracted.
Hard to pick a favorite, maybe HORSEBACK RIDER.
Fun puzzle, Christina. Thanks.
Man, I just solve these puzzles I don't care what the f*ck they're about. I take every challenge, big or small, and attack it like a man. Most often I do this under the influence of heavy narcotics.
Whenever Rex delivers one of his *women* sermons it always reminds me of this.
My biggest problem...Lyrics to Thriller:
"'Cause I can thrill you more than any GHOST (not GHOUL) would ever dare try"
Once I saw that I knew that we were in for it...
And the meta-clue, because when you remove the pest, a pest remains:
[Birth mother]
Printing the puzzle somehow eliminated italics from the clues in my computing environment.
AFROED? Another AAHS?
It took too long to see that bugs had to be removed from clues instead of answers, but that's on me.
Please, Mr. Shortz, here is your New Year's Resolution: Get Better Puzzles!
My big overwrite was cRISp for the fall air at 60A. That left my club relative as a CLT (chicken, lettuce & tomato?) and my boarding place a pENNEL (a small pen?). They all looked fine to me until the happy music kept its silence.
Who exactly is AMEN-RA? There is AMUN-RA, or AMON-RA, but I have never seen it spelled AMEN.
OWWIE.
It was Sunday. It was big. Took me forever to realize it wasn’t G.I. Joe’s TRACT and the “club” wasn’t a card suit or a place to dance. Running the alphabet was required. Not TRACe/BLe. TRACk and BLk and the club suit is black? TRACT… Ohhh Gastrointestinal TRACT and BLT.
It would take some time, but I think the clue writer could have infested every clue. I’ll leave to you if 142 pest infested clues would have have been an improvement.
Clean Up in Aisle Yesterday - Potential Spoiler Alert
@albatross shell - text speak is bad fill. “spelt out” letters are bad fill. combining the two is just bad fill squared. Exponentially ughly. That is the source of my complaint.
@Anoa Bob - To me it is more like “degree” than “Fahrenheit” so is fine as clued. Everywhere I looked wanted me to rent a car, but after I refined my search I kept getting “a unit.”
I was saddened to see "bee" included here as a pest. Without bees, we would have very little food to eat. They are far, far from being pests. Now, if they had somehow worked "wasp" into a clue, I would be all in. They are Satan's spawn!
Oh, the theme was fun, and when it hit me, it brought a nice ping of delight, but my favorite part of this puzzle were the vague clues, where I had to wait for crosses, then do think-work that would bring the joyous aha of revelation. It’s that think-work, that figuring out, that feels so good to my brain. The pat on the back of getting the answer is nice too, yes, but it’s that grunt work that makes my brain feel alive and happy.
To me, there were enough vague areas in the puzzle to make the entire solving experience deeply satisfying and brain-nourishing, sparked by several fun clues, like those for USO TOUR and RPMS.
Satisfying, nourishing, plus fun – I greatly enjoyed this. Thank you so much for all the work you put into this (as you describe in your notes), Christina!
Please explain 52 Down. “hers”?
@Otto - You just don’t do enough crossword puzzles. AMEN RA - 32 NYTX appearances going back to 1955 and appearing at least twice under each editor. AMoN RA - 6 NYTX appearances (appearing in 1966 then not again until 2007). AMuN RA - 2 NYTX appearances, the first in 2020. AMEN RA has Patrick Berry Immunity and I see OFL used it in a 2013 puzzle.
@Anon12:39 - PUBLIC HOUSE - In other words, B and B is just a modern term for a PUBLIC HOUSE.
Thx Christina; what a challenging, but fun exercise of 'pesty' quips! :)
Med++.
Caught the BUG at HORSEBACK RIDER.
Everything was totally getable; just required lots of patience.
Fave clue/ans: 'led' / SPEARHEADED.
Side-eye for 'bee' as a pest; but it's just a xword, right? (hi @Nickyboy (6:27 AM).
Really loved this WORKOUT! :)
@Barbara S. 👍 for 0 dbyd
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Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
@charlesr55 - Exactly what the clue says. Well, I don’t know about “big,” but then I’m not their target audience.
Well, I liked this puzzle, even if there was no Christmas theme! Contrary to OFL, I though the cluing was very clever. Sorta shows, you'lll find bugs and critters everywhere you look. (My wife would disagree that a bee is not a pest. If exterminators come to rid a house of a hive, this might be one way to think of bees, in the context of this puzzle. In the end, all bugs have their place in the ecosystem.)
I was held up brieFLY in thinking autumn air was crisp, ceramic tiles were in an inlay, and maybe the relative of a club was a bat. I do agree that MAINTHEMES and HEDGESABET were a bit weak. The only clue I took some issue with was "G.I.": "Gastrointestinal" (as in TRACT) is one word, so the abbreviation should have no periods as printed. But then, I suppose by my logic, the abbreviation should be a simple "G."
Happy Boxing Day, everyone!
Thanks for replying Z. I know I’m focusing on minutiae but “Hers” is a possessive pronoun and not a “Big Name”? I wouldn’t get it but it filled in by itself.
In the lyrics of Thriller Jacko gave us his formula for grooming children:
“They're out to get you
There's demons closing in on every side
They will possess you
Unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time
For you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night
I'll save you from the terrors on the screen
I'll make you see”
In my world, the theme clues were not italicized so it made the puzzle more of a challenge. Rex calls the theme a "dud"; I thought it was quite clever.
And, yes, a bee can be a pest. Not in the technical sense of being dangerous, but in the colloquial sense of being annoying. My neighbor is extremely useful as he knows everything about electrical and plumbing; he would purposely harm no one. But sometimes he shows up at the most inopportune time and makes a pest of himself. Bees are vital - essential, really - but sometimes can be a pest.
Hag? Really? Leave out the offensive terms.. Please!
@Smitty 5:53 - here is a link to the official Thriller video. I you fast forward to 10:0, it is clearly GHOUL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA&ab_channel=michaeljacksonVEVO
I liked it. So there.
BOCCE really needs to be an Olympic sport. I would so watch that.
Not a lot of proper names today, but many were tough: SACHA, ERIC, OSTER complete unknowns. MENA I would never have come up with, but it rang a bell after the fact. Same for EAZY-E. I did know HESSE and ANNA, though.
Since I am a fan of this type of wordplay, I llok favorable on the puzzle. Not so much many of the comments about the puzzle. If you don't like something, it's OK to say so. But to imply the puzzle is bad because you don't like it or to imply the editors were stupid for publishing it - well I guess that grows tiresome on me after a while. So I just read a few of the sentences of the wrtie-up and skipped to the comments which I admit to just skipping through most of them. But I did complete the puzzle.
Happy (and if you are so inclined) holy wishes on this feast day. It is finally Christmas Season so the TV and radio station will, after today, forget about the true season. But if you like Bach, go to WKCR.org.
Charles55: Google 'hers brand' and you will see that it is a company offering women's make-up products and such. (Google is a search engine on the world-wide web; the world wide web is.....)
I would like to thank "afroed" for convincing me to abandon ship very early on this piece of dreck. It seemed that every area of the puzzle that I skipped back and forth to just aggravated me more and more. When I arrived at 92 down with the r and o in place, I decided that "afroed" would be the breaking point.
I will not even go into any detail about what I hated because it would just cause me to re-live the experience. Those of you who were able to enjoy this, good for you.
Thought the theme was cute and overall liked it more than Rex - but it was a little much for a Sunday sized grid. Figured the trick at PUBLIC HOUSE. I don’t have the same hard on with longer non-themers that Rex does - sometimes it’s neat sussing them out. Top themer for me was GET HITCHED.
There definitely was some rough fill throughout - Rex calls out most of it. I liked ENHALO and the cluing for STAPLER and ANTENNA.
Love when Jack calls HESSE an old fart in Big Sur.
Didn’t like the clue for 43a - the A TRAIN does not stop at JFK.
Not exactly a classic Sunday solve - but I had some fun with it.
@Z, replying "Exactly what the clue says" does not answer the question. Presumably, we can all read. And I see nothing in your link re. B and B that explains the connection either.
Since we're stomping out BUGS today, here is your Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) clue for this grid:
Eliminates, with "out" (5 letters)
I would like to say that my forgetting to look at the Sunday puzzle title kept me from gleaning the gimmick with the theme, but even after I solved the revealer, WORK OUT THE BUGS, I was unable to grasp it. Finally figured it out with "Blouse & Broach" (already had PUBLIC HOUSE in place, but couldn't figure out why it was correct). And I agree with Rex, once you figured out one, the others were easy to get--although I struggled far too long for TRUE FALSE TEST.
And after all that, I dnf'ed on eCLOUD/PeCS instead of ICLOUD/PICS. (Not an Apple guy.)
Answer to the HDW:
ROOTS (begins with the R in SOFT DRINK, moves SE)
Technically saw my first 6 letter diagonal today--PATICE, which according to the web is a scientific reference to the Patagonian ice sheet. But I can't imagine PATICE clued for a puzzle, even a challenging Saturday, so the search for a longer-than-5-letter HDW continues.
MOTHER of GHOUL...Boy, I AFROED. My TUT TUT ran away from Mr. Tsk and his twin. I wanted to know who cut the CHEESE.
I had no idea what Christina was after. I know the theme title says PEST CONTROL. So what? Why is the HORSE BACK RIDER a Pest?
I went about my business doing this puzzle because I was up early and still full of food and the Christmas wrappings have been picked up and the dishes put away and everyone is still in bed and even though I swore I'd stop doing Sunday, I was bored.
OK...so I get to the reveal. WORK OUT THE BUGS. OK...so I went back upstairs and managed to find the embedded BUGS. Wait one cotton picken minute sez I, A Bee is not a BUG. It's an insect in my little book of knowledge of such things. Yeah, to some they might be a PEST (not to me), but they certainly aren't BUGS....Ugh.
I then went looking for things that would bring a smile or two. About the only thing that stood out was BOOZE......oh, and ATRAIN. But why ATRAIN you ask....because, well, I have long and boring stories about taking it in an out of JFK and having a perfect stranger fall asleep on my shoulder. He was kinda cute, though.
I loved this one. When I filed in "MOTHER" for Malice I thought something was amiss with the constructor. Leter, the revealer helped me clean up the last bits, afforded some Aha! moments, and I liked fun clues like that for YETI. I'm female; maybe made a difference?
What @jae said (liked it). Used the theme for answers. @Lewis, birth mother: very clever, and a pest, indeed!
@eggs, ouch, feel better soon. Folks in PT with me who had knee replacements seemed to be in more pain than we hipsters.
Good Boxing Day!
First theme answer I got was MOTHER which made no sense with or without the MOTH removed. Kept looking for bugs in all the theme answers after that, and my brain wouldn't let go. I didn't figure out the theme until the puzzle was done (*), and it's all MOTHER's fault (**).
(*) which means the theme clues contributed NOTHING to the solve for me, so there's a bit of added challenge. This one went slowly.
(**) Yeah, I know, my fault too.
@Son Volt - This map says there is a stop at Howard Beach/JFK Airport. Too much of a stretch? Are you “at JFK” once you get to the AirTrain?
@pmdm - Rex is on record as preferring titles to revealer clue/answers. His main objection today seems to be that he figured out the wordplay too early because of the Title, so the Title spoiled the solve. This is the exact reason I prefer not to have titles. They’re just potential spoilers.
@Anon8:47 - You’re presuming that HERS was recognized as something searchable. Wordplay is often resistant to googling.
@Charlesr55 - Yep. Just because somebody adopted HERS as a brand name doesn’t mean that brand should be used to clue HERS.
@TJS - I linked to the HERS website. And B&B, short for Bed and Breakfast, is just a specific type of inn, which is what a PUBLIC HOUSE is. Indeed, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some current B&Bs started life as PUBLIC HOUSEs a couple of hundred years ago, especially in the NE.
Brilliant and inspired -- a marvelous conceit, expertly and deviously rendered.
But you have to understand, Christina, I hated you before I loved you.
I found this torture to wrestle with until I got (and understood) the theme, which I skipped down to 113A to WORK OUT. I seldom do that -- I usually solve in order -- but I knew I needed help today. Even then and despite the very APT revealer which told me exactly what to do, I somehow wanted to focus on the bugs rather than on the absence of bugs, if you see what I mean.
I had 3 of the 5 letters for CHEESE all the way down at 116A when I noticed the "brie" in the clue. Aha!!! The "fly" had gone bye bye.
Back up the puzzle I went. I already had PUBLIC HOUSE, but now I inderstood it. I quickly filled in HORSEBACK RIDER, MOTHER, TRUE-FALSE TEST, etc. Everything made sense now. I couldn't write fast enough. My suffering was behind me.
One of the cleverest puzzles I've ever done. It wasn't much fun -- until suddenly it was a real blast!
@Z 9:37a - another one of these nuanced clues we see so much. You can take the A TRAIN to the Howard Beach stop - but to actually get to JFK you have to transfer to the Airtrain for another 10 minute ride. The Airtrain is a monorail shuttle around the airport and surrounding areas - so the MTA added the JFK designation on the A line to draw people in to utilize it.
Bottom line recommendation for visitors - if you’re in Manhattan don’t take the A TRAIN to JFK if you can help it.
It took me forever to finish this and the cluing was so painful. I need to remember lyrics to Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'? I'm supposed to know that HERs, which the women in my family have never heard of, is a 'big name'? A B and B is not a public house. Sorry Z. No one uses it that way anymore. And it was the mix of new and old clues in this that made me feel like I was getting whiplash. Then, in 65 across I remove the two bees to get a 't and f test' and the answer is TRUEFALSETEST? Are you kidding me? I wasted my time on that? I didn't feel sharp today. Was it post-holiday hangover, fears about cognitive decline and aging, lack of exercise? All of the above? Perhaps these contributed. But it was a lousy puzzle. It's comforting to read others struggled too.
Almost an hour for my son and me.... Tough cluing on the short stuff, like rex said, enjoyed getting the theme, especially when it fixed Antarctic and made it Arctic..... Thanks! Fun puzzle. I agree with rex too about the bees.... Need to keep them as friends! Merry Christmas to all who celebrate! --Rick
This was one of the ugliest Franken-puzzles that I've ever managed to get a clean grid on and one of the most difficult as well . There were no italicized clues in the version I printed out last night. That alone ratcheted up the difficulty.
I just plugged away at this thing from top to bottom. It was virtually filled by the time the revealer went in and by that time I wasn't going to waste any time looking for hidden bugs in the theme entries.
I couldn't crack that SW corner last night and had to wait until this morning and a fresh look. What finally broke the dam was associating Snaps with PICS. Shades of yesterday's 1A clue. How can it be so easy one day and near impossible the next? This forced me to see the connection between "Briefly, e.g." and CHEESE and recall the symetrically placed MOTHER clued by "Malice" and the theme lightbulb finally went off.
I can't say that I really enjoyed this but I did get a great deal of puzzling out of it.
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Carpenter bees are pests
Drudgery.
My addled brain, trying to remove the pesty LICE from PUBLICHOUSE, somehow kept coming up with PUBICLICE. Pesty indeed and I'm glad that was a very wrong track.
You must have been VERY preoccupied with that game since the Packers beat Cleveland, not Cincinnati. And sorry but, Aaron Rodgers has turned me into an anti-Packer fan. That hasn't stopped him from continuing to be an All-Pro quarterback.
Me neither.
I loved the theme of this puzzle. I know some solvers pooh-pooh having the "trick" in the clues rather than the answer but I enjoyed finding the bugs in the clues, that is, after I'd finished solving, as I never stopped to figure it out until I was done. Even with the revealer in place, the penny never dropped. Thus, finding the TICK in chapsTICK was a true AHA for HORSEBACK RIDER. (I got deked on sOuTH POLE, for sure.)
I'm glad I had NO ONE in place at 99D because it was then immediately obvious that ShIRkS was wrong for 93D.
I took 78A's clue as looking for the Russian for "War and Peace"; I rushed to fill in MIR at the end, only to see 81D was going to be ETAT. Too bad, I was interested in finding out what "war" was in Russian!
Christina, you are quickly becoming a Sunday puzzle constructor pro, thanks!
I realized from 16d that I'd never paid any attention to the lyrics of "Thriller" before. Michael Jackson's pronunciation of nearly everything is contorted. What he seems to be singing sounds like either "ghout" or "ghoud". There is no real "L" sound at the end to confirm it as ghoul, but there is no audible "S" sound that would confirm it as ghost. It comes up several times and it always sounds the same (to me).
All the online lyric sites have it as "ghost". Jim Horne at XWord Info also says it's "ghost" and that the clue is in error. I downloaded the sheet music to see what's printed on there, but the line isn't included.
No one else has a problem with having to remove "TICK" from two different clues (22A and 84A)?
@PhysGraf – it would be an issue if tick were the only dupe. But there's ant, roach, louse/lice, fly, bee – in other words, all of them.
@Joe Dipinto - Genius Lyrics has it as GHOUL. AZ Lyrics has it as GHOUL. Songlyriccs.com has it as GHOUL. LyricsFreak has it as GHOUL. LyricsOnDemand has it as GHOUL. Only Lyrics.com has it as GHOSt as far as I can tell. Where were you looking? As JTull implied I'd probably have chosen to avoid a Michael Jackson clue altogether.
@PhysGraf - I think all of the pests are used twice although we get "lice" and "louse."
@Anon10:03 - No one uses it that way anymore - Take it up with Shortz et al. I was just explaining, not endorsing.
@Son Volt - if you’re in Manhattan don’t take the A TRAIN to JFK if you can help it. As in don't take the subway or as in there's a more direct line?
HOW is there no rant about APT?!? I came here to find the company in my ranting about “the missing letters” flying - what a sad and pathetic clue. Let’s just give words and take out letters. That’s a fill in the blank puzzle - not a crossword! I get that (oh hey) the answer has the same meaning as the word in the clue missing letters - but what a juvenile clue. Drove me absolutely bonkers and was sad Rex didn’t rant about it… so here’s my rant instead! Happy Sunday all…
Maybe I would have liked this better if the theme clues COULDA actually been italicized the way 113A said they were, but they weren’t. Not a one. At least not on my printout. So I plodded through this as a themeless and solved it with a bunch of answers that didn’t make any sense.
After getting the revealer, I knew it had something to do with removing names of insects and got hung up on the fact that the word LOUSE is hidden inside PUBLIC HOUSE, but when I got rid of the LOUSE, I ended up PUBICH, a word that pretty much sums up
my reaction to this puzzle.
@Z – Yes, that was very considerate of @Jtull. *yawn* Anyway, LyricFind has it as "ghost" as does Billboard. I thought I found at least another. I shouldn't have said "all", but my post's point was that since Michael Jackson's pronunciation is so often exaggerated or garbled, from listening to the recording you could make a case for either one. I was hoping to find something with a copyright notice on it. The album had an insert printed with all the lyrics but I can't locate an image that shows "Thriller". I'd take whatever's on there as official.
How is B&B a public house?
Started the puzz after everyone left and I'd cleaned up the mess, and it was just me and the granddog, one of us half zonked on a quart of rummy eggnog and an evening of chocolate sampling. Damn dog.
Obviously, things didn't start out well.
Think I recall one time quite a while back when the clues were the thing. It's brilliant, but not something I could have fun with after a culinary pounding. Beyond that I Might, Mother, Oppose this Ruse because of the Booze.
Anyway, had to cheat in the NW corner for Ordain. I wanted Vote In but Vote was busy elsewhere. Other than that, I Coulda been a contender
There was a lot to love here, especially Spearheaded, a word I forgot existed.
I can't believe the writeup didn't complain about ants, roaches, flies and ticks being reused in the theme clues. Surely there are enough pests in the world to create unique themers. If not, maybe just have less theme clues.
Peekin ahead to the revealer clue's info was essential, for gettin the solvequest movin at our house. Up til then, M&A was tryin to somehow remove bugs from the theme answers. I blame the moth in MOTHER for that.
This here constructioneer sure likes to make Sunday-sized puzs. Congratz to her bravery. M&A has made a couple of SunPuz-sized xwords in his day, but it was always a real tough uphill project for m&e. Good for M&A to suffer, but he always ended up whimperin and runnin back to makin runtpuzs for relief.
[Ironically, M&A made and published a runtpuz just a coupla days ago, that uses a theme mcguffin sorta similar to today's SunPuz theme. Good thing the SunPuz didn't try to take it to the lengths that M&A did, tho… woof! See below.]
staff weeject pick: ONI. Ah, yes -- the famed Demon of Japanese folklore. That weeject was indeed demonic, in its nanosecond impact.
Thanx for the fun, Ms. Iverson darlin. Them clues really bugged us, tho.
Masked & Anonymo10Us
theme dejavuosity:
**gruntz**
You're right!
EWE in a flock not a herd
@Joe DiPinto - Found an image. GHOSt is on the printed lyrics from the album sleeve. Looks like the GHOUL clue is wrong. I suppose there’s always the possibility that a typo happened, but that seems unlikely.
@Josie Owens - It’s been answered. I linked to the PUBLIC HOUSE definition this morning and there have been other comments about it today.
@Ando - Each “Pest” is used exactly twice. That’s a feature not a … ahem… bug.
A struggle. Thought maybe my long anticipated stroke had arrived but no, it was the puzzle. What a relief, so good day.
I'm a woman who has used lots of hair products in my many years but never heard of "Hers." I just googled it ... it's minoxidil, for hair loss. Spelled "hers." Big name?? Not to me.
On every online "lyrics" site, it's ghost. Here's Billboard: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/music/lyrics/michael-jackson-thriller-lyrics-8543163/amp/
Two "ants," also.
@ Andrew Heinegg 11:11 - Oops, got my Ohio C cities mixed up. Sorry 😞
@eggs, 12:25 AM I sympathize with your struggle with k ee replacement. I had my second one in April after having to wait an extra year beyond the original planned date due to the pandemic. The wait caused the surgery and hence the recovery to be just a big cluster “experience.” Hang in there and don’t quit the rehab. Best wishes for a full recovery!
Been a Cleveland fan since the late 50s and was heart broken. When there were no “Browns” any more. For a die hard Cleveland fan, there is nothing worse than being clobbered by the Pack. Ugh.
EXACTLY! And that hung me up.
DITTO.
No wheelhouse, not even a place in line to buy a ticket to this ride! I usually enjoy a really hard Sunday themed puzz, but not today. Could be I am still too tired from trying to coax my grieving cat to eat or drink. The loss of my sweet avatar cat on the 18th se t both my dear torby (tortoise-tabby mix), Pip and me into a dark tailspin. However, while I engaged in stress eating, she refused any and all food and drink for 5 whole days and sat on the cable tuner box to keep warm while she grieved. Had to get her to the vet for fluids on Christmas eve. And in mid-solve, today, our wonderful Doc B called to check on us. I happily reported that Pip ate 4 treats and washed them down with a few laps of water.
From there I was on to solving but took an i credibly long time and gave me no joy. ‘Fraid I also agree with OFL today. This seems to have been more fun for the constructor than the solver, but I could easily be persuaded otherwise since my heart wasn’t really in it this entire past week.
@Z 11:57a - from midtown the quickest and most comfortable public transit trip to JFK is via the LIRR to Jamaica and then the Airtrain to the airport. That’s typically a 40-45 minute trip. Comparatively - using the A TRAIN will cost you twice the time most of it standing up.
Love the A TRAIN - it’s the longest ride end to end in the city and has had a deep historical impact connecting Harlem and Bed Stuy. As an engineer who’s worked on a number of track and tunnel projects for MTA - I have an affinity for the subway system overall - it just was never planned to access the airports at the outer edges of Queens and Brooklyn.
Yes. Struggled for a long time. But once I got one thener, then saw another... I just walked away. I didn't care anymore.
It's all about the rehab now, stick with it.
In the blurb under the constructor's name, it says: "Christina says she aims to make puzzles that are fun and accessible."
This one was neither. I haven't had a DNF in months, but this one was. I didn't get the theme until I read Rex's analysis. If it's that opaque to me...
I am also going to criticize the cluing of AL SHARPTON as "politico." He ran for office a few times, never winning. Though he can, I suppose, be described as a "political activist," "politico" is just plain wrong. Fortunately, I got that one from the crosses.
Most Sundays, even if challenging, don't make me angry. This one did.
Never did get the gimmick, until Rex explained it to me. In fact, I was able to make sense of some, not all, of the clues just by interpreting them as ways of working out the bugs -- that is, finding the alternate explanation. I will blushingly admit, for instance, that I have often stayed at the Blouse and Broach in Natick, a favorite of mine. The only clue that completely baffled was Antarctic. Oh, well, a finish is a finish.
Public House synonyms:
bar
beer parlor
hostelry
inn
pub
saloon
tavern
watering hole
(no B&B)
Son Volt—-
From mid town your best best is go to Newark and skip Queens altogether.
Can’t recall. We’re you part of the Grand Central kerfuffle recently?
Ditto! Southwest corner was insufferable....
And how is "CHEESE" an answer to "briefly?". Oh I see, you have to remive the "pest" from clues as well as answers.... Way too convoluted! "
@Z – Thanks, that's what I found but I couldn't pull up the "Thriller" portion of it. Someone probably submitted the lyrics with "ghoul", having heard it that way, to one site and it got copied to other sites.
This was the hardest puzzle I can ever remember, and for no good reason. Even after reading OFL's "explanation" of the gimmick, I *still* can't make it work. I have a better idea for WS's New Year's Resolution. Retire. Now.
I never see the puzzle name until after solving (on the app), so my experience was the opposite of Rex’s. I could not figure out any of the theme answers, even when I got them from crosses (such as HORSEBACK RIDER). So for me, getting the revealer was crucial, and it took forever.
I got IOWAN and NO ONE pretty quickly, but I thought it was LOOey instead of LOOIE, and that kept me from getting SKIRTS and EKES. ONI could have been any three letters to me, and I had TimE instead of TUNE for a good thing to be in. AuntS instead of NANAS messed up the crosses for the next section, plus what Rex said on HEDGES A BET. The one that infuriated me was cluing NUNS as letters on a dreidel instead of the obvious. Why is Hebrew the only foreign alphabet we are expected to know? When I finally got the revealer, the themers I didn’t have fell easily. But took way longer than my average, and much of that time was frustrating rather than fun.
Agree with those who have said that repeating pests took a little away from the theme, but hard to make “termite” and “locust” work, I guess.
Not my favorite Sunday.
You don’t remove the pests from answers, only from clues.
You say the title of the puzzle, “Pest Control,” made it easy to solve. I do my puzzles on my iPad through the NYT app and no title appears anywhere. I had a lot of trouble with this puzzle and it was no fun to solve.
Team GHOUL!
DNF! (Two letter)
Still on vacation!
Flying home tomorrow.
RooMonster
Me too. I loved the challenge, especially figuring out the tricks in the clues. So many of these complaints blow me away. Do you all just want something easy???
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen Amen Ra in a puzzle. I just put it in, accept that I have a crappy puzzle and move on. pop fly Naticked me. Got stuck on the French Nickname thing and kept going with Cola drink or Soda drink. Had to come here to find soft drink. (There ARE uncarbonated soft drinks, like -ades, that are not pop).
The first theme answer I got was MOTHER in the northeast. Since that word contained "MOTH", I thought the pests were in the fill. Didn't realize until way later they were in the clues. I got most of the theme answers by the crosses or by inference - quite the slog. That was a legitimate misdirect, though, whether intentional or not.
@Gin Murphy - Sunday is the only day of the week with a title which may be why you didn't notice it. Open the puzzle again on the iPad app and look to the left of the timer.
@Anon 2:58 - They are both variations on an "inn" which is more than close enough for cluing purposes. Disagree? Take it up with Shortz.
and... the first 'win' in my case "briefly" came out spEEdo, and so down the rabbit hole. not helped that the intro read as if the 'bug' was in the answer. along with many others, apparently.
@CDilly52 Losing, or nearly losing, a pet is far worse than having a knee replacement, which, after all, is only going to make my life easier and funner.
I’m so glad to hear that Pip is doing better. Thanks to you and others for the encouragement.
@Son Volt:
it just was never planned to access the airports at the outer edges of Queens and Brooklyn.
was the A line even built when there were airplanes? let's go see...well, may be not. according to the wiki, the Rockaway line (which includes JFK) began in either 1869 or 1880, later merged into the MTA.
Broke my streak, and that is the kindest thing i have to say about this.
Didn’t get to the puzzle til the evening. So had to scan all the comments in case anyone had noted this already. But for “Demon of Japanese folklore” I had ON_ from crosses. So tempting to finish with an O.
Slow puzzle for me too. Maybe it was the post-Holidays that got to me.
Anyone else get cRISp instead of BRISK for 60A? Lost a good few minutes on the puzzle because it looked right.
Sticking with the bipolar theme this week, this played MUCH harder to me than most Sundays. I usually finish Sundays unhelped, but today couldn't get much over 50% before I had to look up some words.
Didn't get the theme until 75% done.
I knew NONE of the names (my nemesis). Economist Emily?? WTF???
AFROED is a work? ENHALO?? When was the last time you used that in a sentence??
not an Apple person so I didn't know icloud was a thing
new kealoa - SHIRKS/SKIRTS, at least it caught me.
PEARL for "One hanging around Queen Elizabeth"? A necklace hangs around, not a pearl. And is Queen Elizabeth (II? I?) famous for a pearl? Bah.
GETS AT for "Intimates"? Hints at, maybe.
SCHOOL TIES for "nepotism, symbolically? Yikes.
and as Brian said, ewes are in flocks, not herds.
I liked the theme, but this needed editing.
Where’s Trey?? Taking a break today, huh? Come on bro’!
Yet another example of the editor employee a rookie constructor but not doing his job to edit adequately.
Exactly!
Sheepvet
Rex's review is perhaps a bit too negative. Maybe it was a holiday hangover, but a few answers made me giggle: Soap for "wet bar"; Nessie for "famous crytid"; Data for "modern mining". And I am left to imagine what a brie fly might look like, kinda like Drosophila with a beret?
I was bothered by the duplication of pests, but @Z's point that each one appears exactly twice makes it OK.
The Egyptians wrote in hieroglyphics, folks -- there is no correct or incorrect spelling of AMEN-RA.
Most pubs are not B&Bs, but they can be; I have stayed in one, eyars ago, while walking the Cotswold Way.
OK, this is Monday night -- I wasn't going to do Sunday, but the challenge got to me, so I did it and then came here. Probably no one will read my comment, but FWIW I do agree that AFROED is horrible.
Ick, ick ick. Bad, annoying puzzle and no italics on the "official" online version. Will, it might be time for you to retire.
I was so annoyed by this puzzle. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.
No shock that I agree with you. This puzzle was agonizingly long and boring. Still don't get Looie, Pearl or Sacha either.
Friday and Saturday was difficult too yet I got the Puns puzzle in minutes.
Happy New Year!
I had the grid about 75% filled, top down, and was still completely at sea [crosswordy-phrase-alert!] on the theme when I reached the revealer....
AHA! Light dawns on Marblehead!
I love having to work for my crossword food Pellet! It doesn't happen often enough.
Tougher than average fill too.
Never mind the nitpickers [see what I did there?]
Excellent puzzle
Rex! Thank you for this blog. I kept yelling at this puzzle, "oh God, no!" "why?" "ugh!". It took me 3 hours! So reading your post was so cathartic.
DNBTF. First of all no clues were italicized.
Then OFL gets all vain with Natick. That's OK until the end of the chosen article. One of the best backpacks I ever had was a Jansport. Why would I ever "confess to be a man". There's some 'justified' sexism.
So then . . . MENA Suvari, yeah baby.
Hope you all hated anything to do with this puz as much as I did.
I basically agree with OFF today. Besides which, the pests are in PAIRs: ANTs, ROACHes, FLYs, TICKs. There are lots more pests. Although admittedly, BRATTYLITTLEBROTHER might be tough to fit in. Then again, after removing the ANTs, we have reinfested the puzzle with ANTENNA. Doesn't work. Bogey.
GETSAT HER ERROR
IMIGHT REGRET THE PUBLICHOUSE,
not THE SOFTDRINK with BOOZE I chug:
I SITDOWN, my OBGYN GUEST a louse,
with NOONE else, I WORKOUTTHEBUG.
--- ANNA HESSE
I believe that most - if not all - of those who hated this puzzle were unable to finish it and rather than concede that they were not up to the task, slagged the constructor.
I gave up on completing the puzzle, looked up a few answers, and - thus apprised of the conceit - finished it with joy. Well done Christina!
I loved John X's post: "Man, I just solve these puzzles I don't care what the f*ck they're about. I take every challenge, big or small, and attack it like a man. Most often I do this under the influence of heavy narcotics." (I'm not sure about the heavy narcotics, but he's spot on: Take up the challenge and cut out the whinging).
And the link to the Monty Python skit should remind us all how far ahead of their time they were.
"Whenever Rex delivers one of his *women* sermons it always reminds me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c&ab_channel=PkLugia
As well, I'm not surprised that Rex was not triggered by the inclusion of Al Sharpton, one of the most deceitful, dishonest and odious creatures ever placed upon this planet. (I'd guess that OFL (our feckless leader) would have to retreat to his safe space if he watched the Python skit as well).
@Geome - See my first post. *NO* clues were italicized in my paper. Sundays are generally a slog anyway. By the time I got to the revealer to know there were supposed to be italicized answers I had lost interest. I do all of the puzzles and finish 99% of them correctly. Hell, I do the Harper's puzzle which takes hours to complete. I was not about to sift through 142 clues to find the BUGS.
I often agree with your posts, but be careful with your generalizations on who is whining. The St. Paul Pioneer Press ruined the solve for me.
It was a harder puzzle when the paper doesn’t italicize the theme clues! I just left answers there because they seemed to work both ways, but didn’t look for the “bugs” afterward! And I agree that bees are not pests, but I knew what she was intending.
OK OK - I finally got it when the ants eloped. Prior to that, the puzzle was really bugging me.
Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords
Same as Diana--it didn't make sense to me until antelope.
Perhaps it would have been better if that were in the north, but the real problem is that the italics didn't exist in the syndie version. There's no excuse for this sloppiness. Either get the syndicated version right, or use something it can get right--an asterisk would have been fine! It's especially egregious here because some of the themers were so small--how am I supposed to know that "Briefly, e.g." is a themer when the answer is only six letters?
The fill presented a lot of difficulties, too. Not a pleasant solving experience at all--as Wesley Willis used to say, I heard no rock music.
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