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Thursday, December 9, 2021

Constructor: Alexander Liebeskind

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: Das Booting — film titles have -ING affixed to the end, creating wacky "adaptations" (clued wackily): 

Theme answers:
  • "LA LA LANDING" (18A: "Film adaptation with ... a choir arriving at the airport? (2016)")(this is the only clue with quotation marks around it in my version; I don't know why. Might be a software glitch on my end? No biggie.)
  • "JURASSIC PARKING" (39A: ... a triceratops trying to find a sport for its car? (1993))
  • "KNIVES OUTING" (52A: ... a quick trip to purchase cutlery? (2019))
  • "KILL BILLING" (61A: ... a movement to make invoices illegal? (2003))
Word of the Day: ACC (36D: Louisville is in it, in brief) —

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) is a collegiate athletic conference located in the eastern United States. Headquartered in Greensboro, North Carolina, the ACC's fifteen member universities compete in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)'s Division I. ACC football teams compete in the NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision. The ACC sponsors competition in twenty-five sports with many of its member institutions held in high regard nationally. Current members of the conference are Boston CollegeClemson UniversityDuke UniversityGeorgia Institute of TechnologyFlorida State UniversityNorth Carolina State UniversitySyracuse University, the University of Louisville, the University of Miami, the University of North Carolina, the University of Notre Dame, the University of Pittsburgh, the University of VirginiaVirginia Polytechnic Institute and State University and Wake Forest University.

ACC teams and athletes have claimed dozens of national championships in multiple sports throughout the conference's history. Generally, the ACC's top athletes and teams in any particular sport in a given year are considered to be among the top collegiate competitors in the nation. Additionally, the conference enjoys extensive media coverage. With the advent of the College Football Playoff in 2014, the ACC is one of the "Power Five" conferences with a contractual tie-in to a New Year's Six bowl game in the sport of football. (wikipedia)

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Short write-up today—it's my last day of teaching for the semester and ... well, I don't know why that should make the morning feel particularly crowded, time-wise, but it does. Gotta make a good last impression! I don't really know what's going on with this theme. It's so simple, so basic, so conceptually last-century, that I think I must be missing something. You just add -ING to movie titles, with wacky results. Seems like you could do this forever, with wacky results. The problem is that the wackiness really varies, and most of it doesn't extend nearly as far into the realms of wackiness as it needs to for a theme like this to be successful. Maybe the idea of a driving dinosaur is wacky enough, but the others don't elicit laughter or wonder or much of anything beyond, "oh, ok, I see." The "adaptations" that result from adding -ING to these titles aren't even GROAN-worthy. You're asking me to imagine booking hotels and paying bills, why? These are the parts of my life I come to crosswords to forget. GREEN BOOKING is just plain dull. I like remembering movies as much as the next solver, but that's all this theme made me do. The wordplay just didn't feel up to snuff, especially for a Thursday, where things are supposed to get splashy and saucy and maybe even sexy, gosh darn it! KILL BILLING? You've taken a catchy, evocative, accurately descriptive title and made it about the most boring kinds of financial transactions? You're going the wrong way with your wackiness, man.


The long Downs are a hit today, though. I struggled a little to get the latter part of ANKLE STRAP (3D: High-heel shoe attachment). I think I wanted CHAIN. The "attachment" part threw me, because I'd consider the STRAP part of the shoe; "attachment" sounds like an accessory. I also struggled with DAMP, because that was one of the few places in the puzzle that had truly late-week levels of clue misdirection (4A: Still on the line, perhaps). I was thinking of the phone, not the clothesline, obviously. I forgot that the ACC existed. I used to be a sports junkie as a kid and young adult and somewhat as an adult but now all major college sports seem at least vaguely exploitative and I just can't any more, so my brain isn't oriented toward sports stuff the way it once was. When I finally got ACC I felt like even 40-year-old me would've nailed that. But this me just doesn't care who's in what conference anymore. Can't keep track. I'll just work it out from crosses. 


Had OUTMAN before OUTGUN, choosing the somewhat sexist word over the somewhat violent one (51D: Surpass in strength). I did not know SKA-core was a thing and I am not asking questions, I'm just going to try to forget (68A: ___-core (punk offshoot)). Worst mistake was ITSY for ITTY (23A: Minute, informally), which ... big ugh. Once you start noticing kealoas*, you realize they're everywhere, and this one is one of the worst, in that both seem like cutesy things you'd rarely or ever say unless you were talking to a baby. Maybe ITTY stands alone better than ITSY, but wow that is not a dilemma I wanna spend much brain power on. Between ITTY and ONIT and YADIG (?), that corner could use demolishing. I wonder what the winning answer up there was supposed to be. PEYOTE? (8A: Hallucinogen from a cactus). I guess that might be EDGY enough to warrant YADIGONITITTY, but only just. Good day.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

*Clues for short fill where two or more answers are viable Even With One or More Letters In Place. From the classic [Mauna ___] KEA/LOA conundrum. See also, e.g. [Heaps] ATON/ALOT, ["Git!"] "SHOO"/"SCAT," etc.

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95 comments:

Conrad 6:09 AM  


A Wednesday (or maybe even Tuesday) puzzle in Thursday clothing. Not bad, but published on the wrong day. No corrections, other than the everpresent typos. On the NYT Website, the clue for 18A was the only one italicized. Like @Rex, I have no idea if that was intentional or an error depicted differently on different platforms.



Lewis 6:29 AM  

Oh, they don’t all follow the theme requirements exactly, but…

[Eli (1949)]
[Some woman in the park with binoculars 2017)]
[Pencil becoming inoperable (1991)]
[“Get this iconic German industrialist a cane!” (1993)]


THE THIRD MANNING
LADY BIRDING
POINT BREAKING
SCHINDLER’S LISTING

The Joker 6:36 AM  

Call the wambulance! Rex needs a ride to work.

Anonymous 6:40 AM  

Kind of battle = RAP???

Tom T 6:41 AM  

Effort at even better hurling?

PITCH PERFECTING

OffTheGrid 6:56 AM  

I enjoyed this one a lot. The top half was crunchy enough and softened a bit moving south. The theme was fun and relatively easy. I had GREENBOOK___ and just moved on. JURASSICPARKING turned on the light and I put ING at the end of all the themers. Never heard of KNIVESOUT so that one required more crosses. I knew of the other 4 and saw 3. Didn't see LALALAND, musicals not my cuppa.

STOmp before STORM but needed the M for OMNI, which crosses the environmentally friendly hotel.

EON visits again.

There are many words that show up often but I want to give a shout out to ABATE, a reliable and hardworking entry that deserves some respect.

Z 7:16 AM  

[Insert Standard Rant regarding Themes Based on PPP]

Gerundification! Theme Me! OOH… But Wait! Take a noun, imagine it as a verb, then make the derived verb a noun! Noun to Verb to Noun! W00T W00T!

Hand up for thinking Tuesday escape and showed up on Thursday, but you all know by now that this particular theme has an impossible task if it wanted me to like it. Also pondering KNIVES OUT. That one doesn’t fit the noun->verb->noun pattern of the rest, being an adjective here. But the pattern is something that I only saw as I was verifying the gerundfication thing and I think was unintentional.

Mental hiccup at 1A. I knew the desired answer but stumbled because lions have never been the epitome of bravery to me. Ferocity sure, but bravery? I guess the Cowardly Lion implies that lions are typically brave, but it’s just not an adjective I’ve ever considered applying to lions. Also, why don’t we spell it e-p-i-t-o-m-Y?

@TJS Yesterday - I’d had the same kealoa thought but then just decided it was the “once you notice you can’t unnotice” phenomenon. And lo, Rex expresses the same today. The thing is, Rex “coined” this term, but it’s been a commentariat observation for nearly as long as I’ve been commenting. I am pretty sure somebody here even came up with the term “kealoa” independently years ago.

kitshef 7:16 AM  

There were no Triceratops in the Jurassic. And as quadrupeds, they would be unlikely to drive. Should have gone with Allosaurus there. Even Stegosaurus would have been better. Still unlikely to drive, but at least in the right period.

Knew all the movies, which is crucial for a pop culture theme.

sf27shirley 7:29 AM  

I download the puzzle in "newspaper format" and print it. All the theme clues were italicized.

Trey 7:35 AM  

@Lewis 6:29 - Love your suggestions, especially THE THIRD MANNING

Puzzle was easy for a Thursday. Few errors on first pass - YAsee before YADIG, Era before EON (thinking of the geologic eras we discussed yesterday). Took awhile to see PLACID

Liked AVA next to MEL - a nod to cinematic history. Also, there is the SKA and RAP pairing.

Learned about PUGS and CUBA BEES.

I thought that the theme was fine. My only thought on this was that none of these movies precede the 90s. Ideally, there would have been a range in the eras of the movies, as this theme skews more modern.

Lots of 3-letter fill today - 21 words. Half are abbreviations (MTN, DOC), acronyms (SSN, FBI, ACC, ANA), prefixes (ISO, ECO), suffixes (IDE), partial phrases (ASA) or slang (NAW). While this is somewhat expected with so much of the grid dedicated to long theme answers. After a short look, I cannot find many areas where this can be improved without creating a new abbreviation in another word with the elimination of another. One possible solution would be to change BRAS to BRiS, changing ANA to iNA (Garden - Barefoot Contessa). Both would be reasonable answers for a Thursday.

One thing about the theme that @Rex did not mention - the modified words in all the movies in this theme have a very different meaning after adding the -ING. The word LAND in the movie title has nothing to do with LANDING a plane, PARK in the movie title has nothing to do with PARKING, etc. This makes the theme more solid to me. Using @Lewis's examples, if SCHINDLER'S LISTING was clued as "German Industrialist noting his daily tasks to do", this would give the movie title and answer with similar meanings.

Trey 7:43 AM  

@kitshef 7:16 - you kill me! Taking the absurd to beyond absurd with the concept that the number of legs of dinosaur has anything to do with operating a motor vehicle.

To be fair, the Triceratops did appear in the Jurassic Park movie, so the clue was reasonable from that standpoint

TJS 7:48 AM  

@Z, interesting. I have been a daily reader here for3 or four years and never remember the "kealoa" thing until recently. Must have slipped by me, but it's definitely getting a workout lately.

This puzzle was a real let-down for a Thursday. Yes,yes ? Naw...Fitting that it ended with groan. And once again, the curse of "wacky".

amyyanni 7:56 AM  

The dreaded "wacky" appears once again this week. Thanks for the Joni clip, Rex. Really looking forward to the Kennedy Center Honors telecast on Dec 22. Is it because we don't know what we had? Ah, Thursdays often confuse me. As did the puzzle for a bit. Until it didn't.
Beautiful sunrise this morning. Appreciating autumn after all the non-autumnal years in Florida.

W. Beatty 8:11 AM  

Frustrating as heck. After realizing my initial error in 18A, I kept trying to correct it with MOONLIGHTING, but there weren't enough squares in the grid. Strange.

Lewis 8:14 AM  

For me, this was a detour into fun. Fun in the wordplay in the theme answers, fun in figuring out those answers with as few squares filled in, fun in coming up with answers to clues like [Still on the line, perhaps], [You might have a stake in this], and [You might need this to go on]. Even fun in discovering a bunch of schwa-starters: AMONG / AJAR / AKIN TO / ABATE.

The fun got me feeling silly (see my earlier post), and when I feel silly, I feel kidlike and happy all over. So thank you for this gift, Alexander, and WTG on your debut!

Son Volt 8:16 AM  

Puns are not for Thursday’s - I want more trickery. That said - apart from all the trivia this was a decent puzzle. I liked KILL BILLING - the others not so much. The long downs were the stars here - especially FRISKINESS. LOKI was cool and the PEYOTE x PLACID cross fitting.

Always nice to see our Quercus friends.

Not my type - but an enjoyable solve nonetheless.

pabloinnh 8:17 AM  

I bounced around on this one filling in stuff here and there when lo and behold, the JURASSICPARKING thing appeared and the theme became apparent and I stopped wondering where the Thursday trickiness went. This is OK, but too straightforward for the day of the week, IMHO.

PRADO looks funny to me without the EL. I had TOLEDO in for quite a long time before I noticed it didn't fit. Oops. Liked the BEE hummingbird, and hello to old friend Mr. INGE. I wonder where he's been? Thinking about GRONK always makes me smile. The airedale of tight ends. Also I had actually seen three of these movies, which for me is an unusual acquaintance with relatively popular culture, making me feel all hip and with it like a hep cat.

Solid enough, AL, but for me an Acute Letdown. The choice to run it on Thursday is not yours, I assume, so thanks for some speedy fun.

Pete 8:18 AM  

I've only seen any 1 of the 5 movies, and only 2/3 of that. Just this past week I was desperate enough to try KNIVES OUT as I had heard it was good. It wasn't. The only actors who could actually act were the old guy and the young woman, the others were mere caricatures. Unless the final act had all the remaining characters dying, it would have taken a lot of money to pay me to watch any more. Please tell me the movie ended with the house blowing up.

I don't know what kitshef was going on about triceratops, of course they would have driven. Why do you think there are cars with t-tops?

@TJS - Back in the day, we used to call KEALOAs OLAFs, as is it OLAF or OLAV? Kealoa is far better. Turning the way-back machine to the distant past, Joaquim's Dictum was explained to ACME by Zeke. Anything else funny or interesting in the comment section was provided by Wade. Evil Doug provided all the jackassery currently provided by the various Anonymouses.

G. Weissman 8:41 AM  

Moments in this puzzle strike me as poor. YESYES, NAW, and YADIG are junk fill. The ANA/ACC cross is a natick. A stake holds down a tent, but a tent does not have a STAKE “in it.” A triceratops is not a JURASSIC. I don’t see how a choir is a LALA; this answer alone seems to rely on the genre of the film. Is AERO ever used as a word rather than a prefix? On the other hand, I like the clue for OBOE.

Anonymous 8:41 AM  

Someone guesses the cowardly lion implies bravery? Wow. 🙄Good guess.
And of course lions have been used as the symbol of bravery and authority since before the Assyrians. Check out any fees not sized frieze and you’ll find a couple of lions.
And of course its epitome because its a direct lift from the Greek epitome.

Signed,
Richard the Lionheart

mmorgan 8:44 AM  

I liked the themers!

Joaquin 8:47 AM  

@Lewis (6:29) - FTW. Terrific suggestions.

bocamp 8:54 AM  

Thx Alexander, for this fine Thurs. offering! :)

Med.

Just the right amount of pushback on this one. No major holdups.

Worked top to bottom, but had to come back to the top for LALA LAND, GREEN BOOK, PRADO & LOKI.

Good to see GRONK back.

Very pleasant solving experience! :)
___

yd pg -1* (tabbed)

Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

JD 8:54 AM  

Well I'll be Gronked. The first movie puzzle wherein I've actually seen all the movies, resulting in like a Thursday that makes me feel smarter than I am. Then I come here and see that I'm still Addled and it was actually easy. But it was fun while it lasted.

Oboe was back. Would've been the first sign that we were in Wednesday territory here.

Agree with @Z. I didn't know that lions were brave. How brave do you have to be when you're at the top of the food chain. That made for a tough start. Among friends was a little green paintish for me. But I think we've already discussed that.

Loved Nilla wafers. Such an unassuming little cookie. Peyote was fun. Especially the one time in 70s when it brought an aha moment that the world is just is what is it and we make up our own reality as we go along.

Rap battle led upward to Strap and then Ankle. High heels with an Ankle Strap. Good luck not breaking an ankle in that contraption.

Frantic Sloth 9:14 AM  


Another debut. I think it might make more sense to remark when it isn't a debut.

Although rather simple for the Thursdee, I liked the theme for the most part because movies. The first themer LALALANDING had me anticipating some sort of syllabic repetition, but GREENBOOKING quickly disproved that theory.

So adding an ING to movie titles in order to pair them with wacky clues was it. Fun for me to figure them out with as few crosses as possible, and then...
Jimmy cracked corn and you know the rest.

Not really a fan of BRAS snapping around the grid again or "the OLDS" slang, which I think is just this side of the nails-on-chalkboard "okay, Boomer."
And I just had my lawn done, so...

Still, I'd like to offer my congratulations to Mr. Liebeskind on his debut. Nits aside, I will always be in awe of anyone who can do this. Gof knows it's beyond me!


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From late yesterday @GILL Sure, buy it "for your granddaughter" (wink-wink) 😘

pmdm 9:18 AM  

No need to state my reaction to the puzzle. I like PPP themes as much as Z.

An observation on ANA. I have seen this entry often enough to read a "Japanese Airline" clue and fill in ANA immediately without having a clue what ANA stands for (even after reading Chen's comments). Not the same as a koa/loa or asia/ursa choice, but for me that type of entry detracts from the puzzle in a like manner.

Reno retired 9:29 AM  

All Nippon Airways.

RooMonster 9:37 AM  

Hey All !
3 of the 5 movies here seen. I hope I'm not getting to "Rex-crankiness" status, but again, this puz was a Meh for me. Just adding -ING to movie titles. I SEE.

And on Thursday. Where's the trick, the ruse, the rebopodes?

Need to get my FRISKINESS back. Maybe I need some PEYOTE. YA DIG? YESYES.

Maybe it's Rex's "1A sucks" Dictum. Start off with an odd thing. Although STAIR is clued quite well.

Is the OMNI really an alternative to the Hyatt? Isn't the OMNI a hugh-falutin type hotel? Hyatts don't seem to me to be on the same level. I'm probably wrong...

Anyway, themelesses tomorrow and Saturday. Hopefully my puz-love comes back. 😋

yd -10 should'ves 8 (yeesh)

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Nancy 10:04 AM  

Well, any puzzle that inspires @Lewis to come up with THE THIRD MANNING is okay in my BOOKing. That's great, Lewis!

Most of the puns in this puzzle worked for me, but LALA LANDING didn't, not really. A choir isn't a LALA -- it just isn't. There has to be a better way to clue this and maybe I'll try to come up with one in the dentist's chair later. I may fail, but it will help divert me.

The other theme answers were fine, though none made me laugh. And while the they weren't obvious from their clues -- a good thing -- once I had the theme, they became obvious a lot sooner.

One writeover: STOmp out before STORM out (28A). When you stomp out, it's all in the feet. When you storm out, it might be in your face or in your voice or in the slamming of the door.

Not that hard, but enjoyable.

GILL I. 10:06 AM  

After I got the ING theme thingy, I put my pen down and did some ponderING. Are you just sitting on your sofa having a drink and then "PING" an idea pops into your head? Let me add an ING? How do you do this?
I collaborated with George Barany (remember him?...our friend who's disappeared) on a puzzle for my sons birthday. It was hard. It was fun. It took forever. I'd do it again but I'm too dumb to try it on my own.
So...did you like this? you ask. Why yes....I did. It was different.
I had a GRONK cheat. I had an ACC cheat as well. I'm so NOT into sports these days. I'm still a soccer fan and I use to be a Niners fan but, alas, sports nowadays give me some heebie jeebies.
My favorite, without so much as a little bating of the eyelid, was the CUBA BEE. I love hummingbirds. We had two that use to come visit. I named them Chutzpah and Bossy Boots. I could tell them apart from their coloring. I haven't seen then in a while but I'm betting they will come visit me when I put out their favorite goodies. If you have the time, look at a video of these tiny little munchkins....no bigger than a BEE.

mathgent 10:13 AM  

We saw The Shop Around the Corner on TCM the other night. Our first time. I suppose that it was fun in 1940.

I really liked the puzzle primarily because I'm a big movie fan. I know all those movies. But too many threes (21) and tame cluing.

Nancy 10:18 AM  

@TJS -- Rex must be proud of his coinage of "Natick" lo these many years ago -- and rightly so. Anyone can coin a new word, but coining one that lasts is an accomplishment. I've noticed over the past week or so that Rex seems to be using "kealoa" every other minute. I'm assuming it's his coinage originally (even though @Z says it's not) and that he's trying to embed it firmly into the crossword lexicon so that it becomes as familiar and widely used as Natick.

I never heard of a kealoa at all until this week, but I smiled when I heard it and I think it's a terrific, sonorous term that rolls trippingly off the tongue and expresses what is always a dilemma for me whenever I see "Mauna__". So embed away, Rex! I hope the term sticks.

jberg 10:19 AM  

I liked the themes. Different themes have different roles to play; this one's role was to give you a chance to try to guess them with few or no crosses. While solving, I was hoping there would be no revealer, as I couldn't imagine one that wouldn't be a letdown -- but Rex's DAS BOOTING is pretty good.

No quotation marks in the printed paper; they're all in italics, though.

I was going to complain that BIDE does not mean 'hold tight,' while BInd does. But as I was typing out I realized that hold tight can mean 'wait.' Good misdirect, in retrospect.

The clue doesn't specify that the triceratops is driving the car; perhaps it is carrying it around in its mouth.

Michael Page 10:20 AM  

All themers are also italicized in IOS app version, none have quotations.
Omni and Hyatt are comparable business-trip-or-convention-type chains, above Holiday Inn, below Ritz OR Four Seasons.

Kid Phoneme 10:26 AM  

@Z The puzzle was a Gerundatric? A Gerundinging? Your right is was a Gerundinginginginging.

I was hoping to get knocked about by some slight of square but this filled for me like a Tuesday or a Wednesday if you include the fact I couldn't get a foothold in the NW last night and had to sleep on the puzzle. Is it wrong to believe a Thursday shouldn't allow you to dole "ing"s to last three squares each themer after you've solved one?

As a TMBG fan it feels like an oversight that this puzzle didn't clue 35 as "___ Ng"

Googling ACC tells me it can be an abbreviation for actually, which might be clued as "A bit of mansplaining?" Though to be fair, that would have annoyed me too.

Anyhoo, since I chose the SCC, 36D Naticked me and no happy music was played.

Anonymous 10:29 AM  

I'm Cuban B

Carola 10:33 AM  

Easy, cute idea. Like @Trey 7:35, I appreciated the changes in meaning when -ING was added. I'd have liked more consistency elsewhere though: three of the first words change their meaning; two don't; four of the -ING forms refer to acts, one (OUTING) doesn't. And I thought it was wildly uneven on the wackiness front: in the midst of real-life hotel reservations and invoices, the dinosaur at the wheel just seemed weird to me. "Theme consistency" is something I'd never considered before reading @Rex, but now....

Whatsername 10:46 AM  

A very fine crossword puzzle but not much of a challenge. Sort of a Thursday that knows how to Wednesday. Good choices on high profile and well known movies. I didn’t know KNIVES OUT but that’s probably on me. Congrats to Alexander on the debut. Hope to see more from this constructor.

Haven’t heard the expression NECKS in an EON. Liked the clue for STAIR but hated LETS AT and no idea what a RAP battle is. However, one thing I know absolutely for certain is that MEL Brooks is a comedic genius if there EVER was one. YES? YES!

Masked and Anonymous 10:47 AM  

FARGOING? Yeah … probably not. 'bout as good as YADIG, tho.

Pretty easy ThursPuz, at out house. Got a lot of the five themers off scant crossin help. Only real resistance was YADIG & LOKI, plus a few feisty clues, such as: {One on the case?} = STAIR & {You might have a stake in this} = TENT.

staff weeject pick: SKA. Why not SKI, tho? Musta really wanted to end the puz with a GROAN, I reckon.

Once again, don't recall any Christmas references in this here puz. That's ok, but M&A was put on alert, after the refs in a puz a coupla days ago.

Thanx for the fun, Mr. Liebeskind dude. And congratz on yer fine debut.

Masked & Anonymo4Us

p.s. M&A notices that there are lotsa debuts goin on around these parts, lately. Definitely buildin the NYTPuz constructioneerin corps of the future, with all them green bookins.


**gruntz**

Mohair Sam 11:13 AM  

@Lewis - "The Third Manning" made my day. "Shindler's Listing" made my week. Great stuff - thanks for the laughs.

@Gill I - Speaking of great stuff - Made your fennel/pork loin meal for the first time in a while last night. Soooo good. Thanks again.

Joseph Michael 11:23 AM  

Three stars for the theme. All of the film titles were recognizable and the INGing of the last word did a nice job of changing its meaning. My favorite of the lot is KNIVES OUTING. Imagine what kind of people would embark on such an excursion. Chefs, surgeons, Boy Scouts, or serial killers?

Film adaptation with
* The spray of a sprinkler being readjusted
* Carnations being thrown together recklessly
* A mountain road being straightened out

* The Shape of Watering
* The Wild Bunching
* Gone with the Winding

rjkennedy98 11:27 AM  

Didn't feel super inspired by or tricked by this puzzle. It was pretty obvious theme from the get go and some answers like KILL BILLING AND JURASSIC PARKING I was able to write in with just one or two letters. Its not normal for a Thursday to give you 15 free letters in the grid like this one did. My only real struggle was that NW corner with the tricky "One on the case?" clue and the vague AMONG Friends phrase.

Z 11:29 AM  

@Nancy - I was imaging one of those Hallmark Holiday Movies where the choir on the plane are tra LA LAing as they LANDed, not that the choir was being called a LA LA.
Also @Nancy - To be clear, I think Rex probably “coined” the term independently, but the first day he used it I thought “I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that in the comments before.” And now that @Pete mentions it, “an Olaf” also rings a bell, I’m thinking from roughly the same time.

In the same vein, while I tend to accept that Shortz doesn’t read the comments here, it is pretty obvious constructors do. The Olaf/v thing seems to occur far less often than it once did while RRN’s and Pope RRN’s have all but disappeared from puzzles (RRN - Random Roman Numerals - don’t we all miss the days of future Super Bowl clues?) Unfortunately, PPP is just too well established as acceptable to ever truly get capped, let alone eliminated. At any rate, however much some people carp about our carping, I think the commentariat pointing out infelicities and tired tropes help constructors make better puzzles.

@Anon 8:41 - And of course lions have been used as the symbol of bravery and authority since before the Assyrians. You make a fair point. I agree authority has historically been linked to bravery, but for me that link is pretty much broken, now. As @JD says, how much bravery is needed when you’re the top of the food chain? Also, “lionhearted” became pretty much a dead metaphor to me once I learned lions sleep 20 hours a day, only rousing when they’re hungry. Add to this that I think the notion of “bravery” has changed a lot in the past 100-150 years. I’m sure there are other examples that are better, but the one that leapt to mind is the Lord of the Rings. Tolkien peoples his world with all sorts of traditional heroes, Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, et cetera et cetera. But it’s the Hobbits, small people for whom adventures are something to be avoided, who overcome their fears to do what needs to be done to preserve their kin and save the world. I think Tolkien’s view of bravery has replaced the “top-of-the-food-chain” understanding of bravery. Well, partially. James Bond and all the similar action movie heroes may have missed the memo.

Unknown 11:33 AM  

@ GWeismann I believe that AEROs are a style of handle-bar for a bicycle that is designed for triathlons. Or a style of disk tires. One or the other. or both.

I thought this was a tricky puz until I GRONKED the theme, and once the themers fell, the rest of the puz came together pretty quickly. I thought the themers were just fine, and I'm not sure what the quibbling is about. I also thought this was a well-designed puzzle for a first timer. While some of the fill was not stellar, I think we forget that the constructors (and the editors) are really trying to create something that gives us pleasure. Let's not be so harsh.

Like an earlier poster, I had heard very good things about KNIVESOUT, but I watched about 40 minutes on Netflix before calling it a day.

Trey 11:46 AM  

@ G. Weissman 8:41 and @ Nancy 10-04 - is the LALA referring to a choir as in "tra LA LA"? That was my only guess

@Pete 8:18 - you do realize that t-tops are for T Rexes and not triceratops, correct? Otherwise they would be tri-tops

andrew 11:48 AM  

It was a bland puzzle - but as noted several times above - The Third Manning could have saved it (certainly made reading these comments worthwhile!)

Dave 11:54 AM  

Is never the opposite of EVER? "I never ever want to see that word clued that way again" is not a contradiction. The opposite of never is always.

Trey 11:54 AM  

@ Kid phenome 10:26 - great idea for 1A clue ANA Ng, but probably too obscure. Great song, but I only know it from a compilation album I bought decades ago. I do not ever remember hearing it on the radio or on a movie soundtrack.

Anonymous 11:56 AM  

Z,
Why acknowledge the one obvious correction--lions have been symbols of bravery for a couple of millenia, and not the other answer you needed: eptiome. Thought you'd know that. You used to throw around Attic Greek phrases as if youy were a classicist. You even used teh Grrek alphat as I reacall.

Pete 12:05 PM  

@Z - Male lions also wake up to have sex, which during busy periods they do every 20-30 minutes, up to 50 times a day. Don't diss lions.

Funny, elephants aren't considered brave, but elephants are perfectly capable of scaring off lions. It's almost as if people confuse fearsome with bravery.

GILL I. 12:11 PM  

Haaaaah..My buddy @Mohair is back AND he's made our famous fennel pork loin supper dupper super. It is good, isn't it......
@Z.....Speaking of coinage and, I suppose, how you want to use these words. Many of us on this blog have our little secret cache we use that makes us (I suppose) unique. You have your tentacle Rye bar. @Roo has his HAR....@M&A has his staff weejects. @Nancy has her splat wall. @Frantic has her EEEE fetish at the end of each day of the week, I like my fandango tango along with some cool frijoles and, well, the list goes on. Please feel free to add any I left off. Anyway....it's fun and it certainly makes each of us unique. Natick will always remind me of @Rex...no matter what. Not so sure about "Kealoa" although I think it's clever.

jae 12:13 PM  

Easy. As a Thursday this didn’t do it for me. I’m with the “I might have liked it better as a Wednesday” contingent.

Nancy 12:19 PM  

**Frances Heaney 11/29/21 ACV Tribute Puzzle Alert** (with the teensiest, tiniest "spoiler" that won't spoil your fun).

You all discussed it a week or so ago, but I just received a printed out version in the snail mail -- courtesy of @JC66, whom I have already thanked off-blog.

It's a 15x15 Sondheim tribute puzzle with 22 Sondheim-related clues which is very, very dense. Was it already in the hopper and ready to go or was it created very quickly in the wake of Sondeim's death? That seems quite extraordinary.

And I'm also curious how it was done. Did they build a puzzle around the long theme answers (only two, actually) and then use some sort of app which can tell you if a word that's already in your grid was ever used in a Sondheim lyric and where? I'm not going to give away any of the actual words in the grid that are from his lyrics -- but they're just as normal and everyday as, say, "wish" or "great" or "find" or "can". I suspect that's how it was done. Apps can do just about anything these days, I hear.

In any event, I was surprised at how many of these rather obscure portions of Sondheim lyrics I didn't know. Some are from shows I never saw like "Passion" and "Merrily We Roll Along" but others were from shows I know quite well. Anyway, the grid words in question were quite pedestrian, but the method of cluing them was great fun. And thanks again, @JC66.


mathgent 12:28 PM  

My favorite comments this morning.

Lewis (6:49)

Anonymous 12:40 PM  

@Z. Regarding the lion as a symbol. You've made a category error, confusing the legitimacy of the symbol with the failure of indivuduasl to be worthy of it. Like many symbols it is aspirational, not biographical.

Anonymous 12:56 PM  

I guess I'm the only one to kealoa on airlines from Japan JAL ANA. Let's see...
JAL - "is an international airline and Japan's flag carrier, headquartered in Shinagawa, Tokyo. "
ANA - "is the largest airline in Japan by revenues and passenger numbers."

The wiki for both. So, one is prestige, the other numbers.

Teedmn 1:22 PM  

@kitshef, thanks for the laugh-out-loud, re triceratops. That was my favorite of the theme answers so piling on the humor was a treat.

@JD, thank you for the PEYOTE insight :-).

@Gill I, your fandango is only one of many of your lovely coinages!

@M&A FARGOING! @Joseph Michael, Gone with the Winding! @Lewis, all of your entries, especially THE THIRD MANNING.

I loved seeing 4A when I had __MP, great clue. My two difficult spots in this puzzle were LOANED, 16A, when I could only see ___NED, and the ANA crossing ACC. I assumed the second A of ANA but 36D sports clues, gah.

Thank you, Alexander Liebeskind, and congratulations on your debut.

egsforbreakfast 1:35 PM  

Like those offered by @Lewis, some are better than others. But here are 3 additions:

One plays games with these cubes, Tonya
When our planet took time out to brew bourbon
Directions to the white-board cleaning aisle.





Die Harding
The Day the Earth stood Stilling
Eraser Heading



Coming from a long line of punners who leave them groaning in the aisles, I liked this theme. It wasn’t the difficulty of a typical Thursday, butI really had fun.


The problem that people are having with. LALALANDING is that it doesn’t follow the same logic as the othe 4 movies. In the same way, DIEHARDING. in my contributions above doesn’t quite follow the rules. But I still think that they both work well.

Anyway, it was nicely-constructed debut, Alexander Liebeskind.





Z 1:39 PM  

@Pete - “Hungry” can encompass so much more than food, n’est-ce pas? And the way you phrased it made me wonder if the lionesses are awake for the sessions.

@anon11:56 - It was a joke, a commentary on the arbitrary spelling and pronunciation rules we use in English. You did spark a mote of curiosity, though, and now I’m really wondering how we got from epitemnein to epitome. It looks like epitome and tome and the suffix -tomy all come from the Greek for “to cut.” However neither epitome nor tome keep anything related to “to cut” in their current meanings. Language just gets curiouser and curiouser.

@anon12:40 - Lions have been the symbol you point out. But what I’m saying is that they are not a particularly apt symbol for bravery and this is, at least in part, because the modern understanding of bravery has evolved. I’ve thought of another, I think better, example. In recounting our Civil War the focus used to be on the “bravery” of generals and officers. Ken Burns focused more on the lives, and implicit bravery, of the soldiers. Sherman might be the very epitome of the “lionhearted general” but how brave was he really? Consider the difference between John Wayne WWII movies and something like Father Goose. John Wayne is the swaggering hero symbolized by a lion, whereas Cary Grant is a much more modern hero.

@Anon12:56 - 🎉🥳🎉🥳🎉 - I do believe you are the first person to verbify “kealoa.”

Anonymous 1:44 PM  

What arbitray spelling? Epitome is spelled the same in English and Greek. There's no phonetic value that's mysterious in that word.

Anoa Bob 2:00 PM  

Both mescal and PEYOTE have the same number of letters. Some say that if you eat PEYOTE, Mescalito will come to you speaking words of wisdom, "Let it be".

PUGS were Samurai companion dogs? I thought those were AKINTOs.

IDE like to stay longer but I just got an alert that there's been a major breakthrough in finding the hidden treasure on the latest episode of The Curse of OAK Island. Hidden treasure, now there's a novel theme for a book, TV show or movie, YA DIG?

ghostoflectricity 2:06 PM  

"Yadig?" is the name of an instrumental on the third album (cleverly titled "Thirds") by The James Gang, Joe Walsh's old band. There are also songs called "Ya Dig" and "Ya Digg" by the rappers Lil Wayne and Frosty Da Snow Mann (sic), respectively.

Anonymous 2:07 PM  


επιτομή. where's the mystery? (hell, we even accent them the same)

pabloinnh 2:26 PM  

Re "kealoa"-

Maybe @JoeD remembers when we wanted to form a singing group called the "Evadeludes". Two of my singing groups have disbanded. Just saying.

Foamfollower 2:28 PM  

Scrolling through to see the first one to catch the error in 8A. Peyote is a cactus. MESCALINE is the hallucinogen. Tsk, tsk. Leave it to a child of the 60’s to straighten out any hallucinogen misconceptions you might labor under.
Also concur that NEVER is not the opposite of EVER.
Sorry Alex, you’re doubly disqualified. 🥺

Sharon ak 2:30 PM  

Enjoyed the puzzle and many the comments, in particular, both Lewis 6:29 and J>M 11:23 theme answers. But there seems to be something I'm missing in the Eli Manning .one which got so much appreciation. It didn't get reaction from me. I chuckled aloud at Schindler's listing.
Why anyone got hung up on coirs not being la las I could not understand. I've not seen the movie, just scenes from it, but as a few crosses brought LaLa into sight the answer was obvious and amusing.

Anonymous 2:30 PM  

The Third Manning does not follow the format of today's theme. Eli isn't even the 3rd one, depending on how and who you count.





Anonymous 2:31 PM  

It comes from cutting a manuscript to its essence. in effect an examplar of the point. It was nautrally expaned to people and objects which were believed to be the heart or essence of the thing being dsicussed. Epitome is not a hard etymology. And it has perhaps the worst example of the arbitrainess of either spelling or langaugfe I've heard suggested.

JC66 2:37 PM  

@Anon 2:30

Cooper -> Peyton -> ELI.

Joe Dipinto 2:46 PM  

I posted earlier but I think it disappeared. I'll cancel it if it shows up. Anyway...

An All Best-Picture festival:

Brady desperately craving an eighth Superbowl ring
TOM JONESING

Chef who overdoes it with spice combinations
A MAN FOR ALL SEASONINGS

Norwegian folk dance dedicated to an orphan girl
ANNIE HALLING

Vehicles that escorted you off the premises when you were sacked in ancient Rome
CHARIOTS OF FIRING

Doting grandparents who spend much too lavishly
MILLION DOLLAR BABYING

People going to sleep
CRASHING

Place for a wanderer to spend the night
NOMAD LANDING

Bees, hornets and wasps band together to attack a town
THE STINGING

See also entries by @Lewis (#4) and @Joseph Michael (#1 and 3) above.

They've been using Actress De Armas as a clue for ANA lately. I'm surprised they didn't today, seeing as she had a leading role in "Knives Out".

Trey 2:56 PM  

@Dave 11:54 - an opposite of EVER is never, but the opposite of never can be always, but it could also be EVER, once, occasionally or a lot of other words. A negative (never) can have a lot of opposites since any presence is the opposite of the absence. I think that the clue is appropriate

JD 3:31 PM  

@Teedmn, You're welcome!

Anonymous 4:25 PM  

FWIW, "Dogs in Tibetan monasteries, once" were Lhasa Apsos. still are.

albatross shell 4:27 PM  

Trying to stay in season.

[... a small part of an Independence Day sports event (1942)]

chefwen 4:49 PM  

Kealoa update, both received snow the other day. Kea 9” with blizzard conditions. Ski runs are open.

With Rex on this one, kinda dull for tricky Thursday. Ho Hum.

Nancy 5:00 PM  

The idea came to me (as I promised or threatened it might) in the dentist's chair: A better clue, perhaps, for 18A:

Film adaptation for...a pair of notes in "Deck the Halls" sung correctly -- finally! -- for the first time in many, many years?

Answer: LA LA LANDING

(Well, if nothing else, I was very brave and uncomplaining in the dentist's chair.)

Anonymous 5:29 PM  

@Trey wrote this earlier today, "the modified words in all the movies in this theme have a very different meaning after adding the -ING. The word LAND in the movie title has to do with LANDING a plane, PARK in the movie title has nothing to do with PARKING, etc." I hate to go all @Rex, but some of the offerings on the blog ignore this feature of the theme, along with other inconsistencies. Someone has to be the critic.

Z 5:56 PM  

It is EVER the case that when the letter N is used as a negation one can think of it as a shortening of “not,” hence, NEVER is “not EVER.” Or, if you prefer something a little more formal, EVER is listed as the third of 261 antonyms of NEVER here.

@Anon - It’s an amazing thing how, in trying to prove a point nobody is disputing, you end up being wrong. First of all, επιτομή doesn’t actually mean the same thing in modern Greek as it does in modern English because, well, it appears to keep that cutting meaning. Second, we manage to take the etymological source of half the word, τομή, and spell it two different ways, tome and epitome as opposed to appendectomy, but pronounce it two separate ways independent of its spelling. That is, tome doesn’t rhyme with epitome which does manage to rhyme with appendectomy. All of which I’m guessing everyone else more or less understood or intuited from my first purely rhetorical joke.

albatross shell 6:17 PM  

Frida Kahlo was in the Jumble today.

The other day I noticed ANTE opposite ANET were anagrams. Then I noticed EROS and EDIT were anadromes (or whatever). Then I noticed EROS has an anagram beginning with each letter in it. Assuming that ROES or REOS is a valid plural. A TOTALAGRAM? Must be somewhat rare even for 4-letter words. I wonder what is the longest such word? I am sure Z can't wait to research that one.

HOLIDAY INNING by the way.

I do not feel the "film adaptation part of the clue works unless they all work that way. Or am I being Rexnicketty?

albatross shell 6:41 PM  

Oops, forgot ROSE. Short term memory loss. Anything over 3 minutes.

My point about "film adaptation" was unless they were all clued that way. Also unless there is a different way of looking at it (which I do not see).

Stephen Minehart 7:00 PM  

Posting too late for anyone to read, but halfway through, I thought "Man, Rex will hate this." Truth be told, I hated it. It was too easy, the theme would have worked if either the answers or clues were humorous (spoiler: they weren't), and finally, I can't believe that Rex gave the ESAU/ISO/NAW crossing a pass.

Eniale 7:02 PM  

Pretty disGRONKled after dnfingin a major way in the southeast.

Enjoyed Joe Dipinto's offering!

________________
yd g -many

td pg -2

Anonymous 7:22 PM  

Z,
Get help. Or not. I explained, perfectly, why epitome is spelled why it is ( your question) How it came to mean what it does today (another question of yours)
What exactly are your credentials by the way? Mine are several years in a preeminent Classics department. I fully understand epitomes history. ( consider Aquinas’s epitome viz Aristotle)
You seem to be..,, able to google Wiki.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Or not. You’ve played it that way before.

Anonymous 7:44 PM  

Got resistance in the same area as Rex. Clue for DAMP was challenging to me, and I never heard of PRADO (and only know of GOYA as a food company) or AVA Max. Also, I am not a cinephile, so movies (and popular actors) are tough for me. Finally, slang is tough (NAW, YADIG, ITTY) because by definition there is no standard spelling for it (I had ITSY at first). All in all better than the last two days. I do like a little more resistance to the solve than those.

Smith 8:15 PM  

Posting before reading to say, wow, can't believe @Rex and I on the same page with AARON! Can't see the name without thinking of the Key & Peele bit.

Otherwise dnf at AN? crossing ?C? but kinda liked the theme idea, though not really Thursdayish.

Smith 9:54 PM  

My comment above with timestamp 8:15 was submitted waaay before that!

Smith 10:10 PM  

@Joe 2:46

LMAO and reading aloud to DH.

Nigel Pottle 11:38 PM  

I saw SCHINDLERSLISTING as German manufacturer sells off his factory. In my puzzle app only the first movie theme clue was italicized. But this was a GROANer. I finished it over 12 minutes faster than my average and when I checked the stats I discovered it was my fastest Thursday EVER. But sadly, I’m not proud of that record because the puzzle just didn’t stand up to it’s Thursday posting.

Nancy from Chicago 12:06 AM  

It's disheartening to me that Rex and other commenters thought this was easy or not even worthy of a Thursday. I almost lost my streak on this puzzle, and had to leave and go back to it over and over, with an eventual solving time of over an hour. (I normally solve a Thursday under 20 minutes, sometimes 10.) The whole middle section with the Japanese airline (I know I should have it committed to memory by now, but I don't, crossed with something about Louisville that I still don't get, which is crossed with a clue that took me forever (ended up being "cue"), crossed with "pugs" (I had "pets" for the longest time), crossed with some football player's name (I'm sure he's famous to those who follow football, but I am not one of those people). That whole section was inscrutable to me for the longest time and it took many going aways and coming backs to finally finish. It was finally realizing "cue" that got it done (until then I thought it was maybe "dee, " like you need a D to advance in a class). That gave me "pugs" and I was finally done.

thefogman 10:19 AM  

Fun to solve. A puzzle with a well-executed theme. A bit of dodgy fill (ISO, EELED, NAW,

ACC etc.), but still enjoyable. Bravo to Alexander Liebesking on his great debut puzzle.

spacecraft 11:03 AM  

Hold tight = BIDE??? Oh, somebody's gotta 'splain THAT one! And what I think of that clue is generally what I think of the whole enchilada today. The grid is severely chopped up, strewing 3's and 4's everywhere. The two "Juliennes," if you will, ANKLESTRAP (yawn) and FRISKINESS (at last a bright spot) stood out in contrast.

The theme--again--is one of: WHY? Movie-ING. Nor did it help that I never heard of GREENBOOK. Of course, I never go to movies any more; all the theaters jack up their sound so loud it gives me a headache. The rest of them I recognize through TV ads exhorting me to go out and get a throbbing headache. Thank you, no.

So, a joyless solve on a joyless subject. That's a double-bogey.

Burma Shave 11:12 AM  

EDGY PARKING ACTS

When KELLY NECKS with AARON,
she LETS OUT an ADDLED GROAN,
PLACID FRISKINESS turns darin',
her LIPIDS DOWN to the BONE.

--- ANA DELANO

Diana, LIW 1:26 PM  

One-letter dnf/Natick. Oh the humanity!

This had a bit of zING. For me. And @Spacey - I haven't been to a movie since Titanic. True that. Mr. W is hard-of-hearing, and the movie sound machine have 2 settings - unhearable and unbearable. So I get my movies on TV or, as you do, from advertisements.

For a Thursday, I consider my solve a success.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords
Tis Thursday, right?

thefogman 2:11 PM  

Did anyone play Wordle yet? I tried it last night and solved in five tries.

leftcoaster 4:56 PM  

Liked the theme because the Movies -ING were all familiar and OKAY with me.

Also OKAY are the prefixes and suffix of ECO, ISO, and IDE. They could be named for three cats born with a lot of FRISKINESS.

Needing a little more attention were ACC (the A for Atlantic; didn’t consider Louisville as eastern) and the G for GRONK (must be GRONKOWSKI).

Enjoyed it.



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