Brambles with edible purple fruit / THU 12-16-21 / South American arboreal snake / Setting for Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night"

Thursday, December 16, 2021

Constructor: Trenton Charlson

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: BOGGLE (52A: Flummox ... or a classic word game represented by the central grid of shaded squares, in which 15-, 17- and 55-Across can be found) — 4x4 section of letters at center of grid represents a BOGGLE rack, and you can "find" the theme answers (all synonyms for "BOGGLE") in it simply by playing the rack the way you would in an actual game of BOGGLE, i.e. by connecting adjacent letters, like such:

  • BEWILDER (15A: Flummox)

  • BEMUSE (17A: Flummox)

  • BEFUDDLE (55A: Flummox)

  • Word of the Day:
    DEWBERRIES (36A: Brambles with edible purple fruit) —

    The dewberries are a group of species in the genus Rubus, section Rubus, closely related to the blackberries. They are small trailing (rather than upright or high-arching) brambles with aggregate fruits, reminiscent of the raspberry, but are usually purple to black instead of red.

    Dewberries are common throughout most of the Northern Hemisphere and are thought of as a beneficial weed. The leaves can be used to make a herbal tea, and the berries are edible and taste sweet. They can be eaten raw, or used to make cobblerjam, or pie. Alternatively, they are sometimes referred to as ground berries. (wikipedia)

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    [apparently there's some animation (?) in the app that appears once you've finished this one; if it doesn't work on paper, it doesn't work for me, but enjoy the post-solve animation if that's your thing!]

    I enjoy BOGGLE. I used to play with my friend Kathy a lot, back in the Later Grad School years, when I would do anything, literally anything, not to be writing my dissertation (see my 2700-book vintage paperback collection, for instance). Kathy and I also played the Charlie's Angels board game, but that's another story. When Kathy got a job and moved away from Ann Arbor, we would play BOGGLE over email*—shake out a grid, send a representation of it to the other person, then set the timer and send our answers to each other when the time runs out. I'd forgotten we did this until this very moment. The early internet was Great. If I played BOGGLE online today, there'd just be some app that was mining my computer or phone for data it could sell to Facebook or something . . . Anyway, the point is I like BOGGLE. I also like crosswords. I don't (it turns out) so much like BOGGLE in my crosswords. This is a classic example of a "look at my architectural feat!" puzzle that doesn't really hold any actual *solving* interest for the solver. I don't want to play a game after I'm done solving. Again, the puzzle is not a child's placemat. It is a sacred space where cool *crossword* things happen. The grid has a ton of visual interest, i.e. it's got that grid, and all the longer answers running through it. But the answers themselves aren't that interesting—two of them (SNAFUED, DEWBERRIES) basically scream "I Have A Giant Wordlist In My Constructing Software" (see also TREEBOA). They're not cool words, they're either f'd up versions of words (SNAFUED?) or compound words made out of words you know even if the results are not (in my case) words you know. The rest of the grid is just flat. Little heavier on gunk (ABOU, EENY, ASSTDA, GSU, OBE, etc.) than I'd like, but essentially inoffensive. The main point is that conceptually, this is interesting, but as a solver, it was mostly irksome. Solving basically just involves building a platform on which I'm supposed to play an entirely different game that I have no interest in playing, and anyway it's less that you "play" it than that you look at it and go "huh, yeah, look at that." Total dissociation between conceptual complexity and solver enjoyment.


    Only real tough part for me was MEWLING / DEWBERRIES, since I'd never heard of the latter and I did not think that babies "mewled." Or that cats slept in "cribs." MEWLING sounds like a cat word. I know that it's not, necessarily, but it sounds like it. Cats MEW and MEOW. In Britain (I think) they MIAOW (That's the title of an album I own by The Beautiful South, which are a British band, so I assume it's a British cat sound). Anyway, The MEWLING DEWBERRIES would make a great name for a Traveling Wilburys cover band. "Ladies & gentlemen, the MEWLING DEWBERRIES!" [the crowd whimpers]


    I forgot ILLYRIA was a thing (43A: Setting for Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night"). My mental Shakespeare atlas has ELSINORE and the Forest of ARDEN in it, and a few other places (VERONA, I guess), but ILLYRIA slipped out of my memory basket. I also forgot HODADS was a word. I remembered HAOLES (white Hawaiians), because surfing made me think of Hawaii, but HODADS I plum forgot. It's an aurally ugly word. Kind of like SNAFUED (which in my head I'm pronouncing "SNAFEWED" because when I say dumb non-words, I like to say them fancy). My favorite thing in the grid is SONNETEER (18A: Shakespeare, notably), by far my favorite of the -EERs (take that, musket- and Mousket-!). I like this puzzle's ambition and creativity; I just wish it had been turned toward making a good crossword instead of a poor game of BOGGLE.

    Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

    *now I'm starting to think maybe we played BOGGLE over the phone ... ? Hmmm ... stupid memory. At any rate, we played some kind of remote unorthodox BOGGLE, and we liked it.

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    119 comments:

    Anonymous 6:15 AM  

    Never played Boggle, so I have no idea. But the puzzle was a fun solve anyway. It's been over 50 years since I read Twelfth Night in high school, so Illyria was tough, but no real problems other than that

    Chris Christie 6:39 AM  

    "At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms"--The Sonneteer of Avon.

    Conrad 6:43 AM  


    I'm not musical at all, so to me the letter in square 44 could have been anything from A to F. I settled on ILLYRIc before correcting it after failing to get the happy music. I should have remembered ILLYRIA, and I should have known that the flat key "just above" G would have to be either F or A. Never heard of DEWBERRIES, but it was inferrable, as was another WOE, TREE BOA. My hat is off to Trenton; this was quite a tour-de-force of construction.

    OffTheGrid 6:46 AM  

    I did enjoy solving this. It was tough getting started but bit by bit it came together. The BOGGLE center was MEH. Just constructing a crossword puzzle is...well, mind BOGGLing to me. So doing a cute tricky thing does not raise my awe level. It's kinda like pre-1980 TV and telephones. How the hell do they do that? I am not further amazed by smart phones and TV streaming. Other people do all that stuff and I get to enjoy (or not) it.

    BarbieBarbie 6:55 AM  

    Arghh, @Rex. There was even a Shakespeare reference to get your mind in an Elizabethan groove so you would come up with “mewling, puking babes.” Again remind me- what was your major?
    Signed- a chemistry major

    abalani500 6:56 AM  

    This puzzle did not bewitch me, nor did it bother me so much. But I’m a little bewildered that you can put a word game within a word game and still call it a crossword. It boggles the mind.

    Trey 6:59 AM  

    Love the construction! I did not see the connection to the letters in the middle until the app highlighted the Boggle answers for flummox.

    I have never heard of ILLYRIA, but the crosses were fair (except for A FLAT - as non-music person, it is a "guess the first letter" type of answer)

    Best clue was for REMARRIED. Second best was for RELIEF MAPS.

    Worst 3-letter answer was BIS (do people really call biceps BIS?)

    "meh" on repeating UPs. I know we have had this discussion before - I am not a fan but also do not consider it a crime against crosswords. When the theme or other aspects of the puzzle are great (as this one was, at least to me), I am more likely to accept repetition. With a weaker puzzle, there needs to be a clean grid.

    Anonymous 7:01 AM  

    "....at first the infant, MEWLING and puking in the nurses arms... "

    The English professor has been snafued. By Shakespeare, no less.

    Lewis 7:05 AM  

    Using words Boggled from the central square (capitalized):

    Trenton, this DEED of yours, this MUDDLE of center letters may start a FEUD between those who FUME, blow their FUSES, go EW, turn RED with ire, want to SUE or call FEMA, and feel like they need to EASE that bile with WEED; and those who BEAM with awe and joy, go WILD with gratefulness, and DEEM this puzzle first rate. ME, I AM happy; my eyes fill with DEW, I BLEED with thanks, and am more than a WEE impressed.

    Lewis 7:15 AM  

    Technical note: I loved the mini-theme of double E’s (7); loved the surprise of Trenton respecting Boggle and not Scrabbling the grid with high-value letters, as is his wont (J, Q, and Z are missing); loved the PuzzPair© of EAU and GOES DRY; loved the answer HARDLINERS (a debut), and am boggled that Trenton thought of this theme in the first place. Bravo, sir!

    Anonymous 7:21 AM  

    I did not notice the 2 UPs. I did notice the redundancy of RAISING UP. I know, crossword license.

    Georgia 7:22 AM  

    Do this puzzle on the NYT App today, the end display is worth it!

    Anonymous 7:31 AM  

    LOVED this!! Clever, helpful theme. Must've been hard to execute and played well. Sort of like Spelling Bee and the Crossword put together.

    Anonymous 7:33 AM  

    @Lewis. You must have gotten the idea for your 7:05 post from the Constructor Notes at Wordplay. It "Took a second" to see what you were doing.

    MaxxPuzz 7:37 AM  

    The animation in the app was the best part about this one!

    TJS 7:45 AM  

    Rex, I gotta hand it to you. You are one weird dude. Playing a Charlies Angels game instead of working on your comic book dissertation. I hope to God you were stoned to the begeezus. Did you get to pick which Angel you would be?

    Anyway, I agree with OFL that this is a total waste of time Thursday-ee

    kitshef 7:47 AM  

    Surprised MUDDLE did not make into the grid, as it is also in the Boggle board.

    All the letters in the Boggle board are used except for the A and S in the upper right.

    I like Boggle, though I have not played it in decades. For our Spelling Bee fans, it should be right up your alley.

    Loved the Treaveling Wilburys videa and being reminded by Rex of The Beautiful South, a band I had all but forgotten about.

    The only thing ERATO can do: BE MUSE
    The only thing Gene can do: BE WILDER

    amyyanni 8:02 AM  

    Very cool. Agree it is a constructor achievement that may not be appreciated by a solver. Frankly, am mostly relieved I got the theme and completed it. When I saw Trenton's name on a Thursday, my pulse rose a bit.
    Now, if he had used "Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered," this Lorenz Hart fan would be over the moon.

    Peggy Hill 8:02 AM  

    was young Hans Memling a mewling?

    pabloinnh 8:05 AM  

    A little nostalgia is always a good thing, and a clue like "South American arboreal snake" always takes me back to the good old days when we had things called "crossword puzzle dictionaries" that held the answers to arcane clues like this and various foreign currencies and obscure geographical locations and minor forgotten gods and so on. Seeing SNEE again is a similar experience, but the classic clue is "Snick and ____", alas not there. Makes me wonder where SMEE has been. Neverland, probably.

    Outside of all that I was gratified to remember HODAD instantly, mostly from "the kind of surfer got a HODADdy hiarcut and you wonder how he'll ever survive", "Hard Lovin' Loser". Richard Farina, a great song.

    This played easy-medium for me, and the BOGGLE part was OK. I glanced at the shaded (in print) letters and saw most of the letters from the starred clues and was uninterested in doing the BOGGLE thing to work them out. Thus a slightly disappointing Thursday, as I wanted an AHA! from figuring out the trick after completion instead of having further homework after completion. No thanks.

    Well, Terrific Construction TC, Totally Complicated, but not Terribly Challenging. Fun enough, for which thanks.

    agarlock 8:05 AM  

    Boggle TIE-IN would have worked better if all of the letters had been used -- but the A & S in the northeast corner of the Boggle grid aren't needed for any of the themers. I'm sure making that work is much harder than it sounds, but still....

    Joaquin 8:13 AM  

    When I figured out that all the themers could be made from the center square, I had my best "crossword aha" ever. Very cool puzzle.

    Son Volt 8:23 AM  

    Huge chops to assemble this one. I liked it for the most part - fun theme decent fill. BEWILDER and BEFUDDLE are cool as are SONNETEER and HARDLINERS.

    I’ve had Shiner’s dewberry sour so that wasn’t a surprise - HODADS on the hand was. My wife assisted with ABBY Cadabby.

    Enjoyable Thursday solve.

    Tom T 8:23 AM  

    Wow! Just ... wow! I love this puzzle, connecting two wordplay activities I truly enjoy in what for me was a Thursday-worthy grid. Haven't played BOGGLE so much recently, but my wife and I have gone through periods of grudge match binges over the years.

    Glad for the online solve today. I would not have realized the theme words were spelled out in the center "BOGGLE" grid if the app had not highlighted it. It added a great moment of awed "Aha" to the proceedings.

    Hands up for noticing the Shakespeare mini-theme and its connection to Master Jaques and the brilliant "Seven Ages of Man" from As You Like It:

    All the world's a stage,
    And all the men and women merely players;
    They have their exits and their entrances,
    And one man in his time plays many parts,
    His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
    MEWLING and puking in the nurse's arms.

    BOGGLE, of course, frequently relies upon diagonal lines, and there are A LOT of Hidden Diagonal Words (HDWs) in the grid today. I'll not give a HDW clue today, but note instead that four diagonal words in the grid today also appear as answers or part of answers in the grid: OAR, GAS, SUE & SUES.

    Thanks, Trenton, for a fantastic start to my day!

    Twangster 8:28 AM  

    I thought this was very clever but just wanted to point out that while boggle is officially defined as bewilder, in practice it's almost always used to mean amazed, usually in a negative sense, e.g., "so-and-so's stupidity boggles the mind." So it doesn't have the sense of confusion that flummox/befuddle/bemuse evoke.

    Not a problem at all but I thought Rex would probably note that.

    bocamp 8:34 AM  

    Thx Trenton; perfect Thurs. puz! :)

    Med.

    Pretty smooth, except for ILLYRIA. Always have trouble visualizing above/below related to the musical scale. Took a few minutes to suss out whether it was 'F' or 'A'. Finally, realized that on a piano keyboard, moving from left to right, 'A' immediately follows 'G', hence A FLAT would therefore be a higher note, i.e., 'above' 'G'. Besides (even not knowing ILLYRIA), ILLYRIF wasn't going to cut it. Whew!

    Loved the cool graphical animation on the BOGGLE board center squares at the conclusion of the solve.

    Most enjoyable adventure! :)

    Possible spoiler for yd's puz below for ppd* solvers:









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    Paul & Kathy 8:43 AM  

    Well, say what you want, but I kind of appreciated the boggle in the middle because it told me what letters I needed before "berries". I was today years old when I first heard of dewberries and I learned about them because I needed a W somewhere to make the boggle work. And I wasn't expected "snafued" and figured it out because the F had to go somewhere. Good thing I already had all the theme answers

    mmorgan 8:46 AM  

    Did. Not. Like. And also Did. Not. Get, because I’ve never played Boggle. After finishing, I stared at the central circled letters forever, and got absolutely nothing from them. Oh well. Gotta play more board games, I guess. But I absolutely loved the MEWLING DEWBERRIES— my new favorite band.

    Hartley70 8:49 AM  

    I loved this puzzle! I found the cluing nicely tricky and enjoyed the anticipation of the middle square since I’ve never played BOGGLE. The animation at the end of the solve was terrific. I don’t think I’ve seen a 3-D effect in the puzzle before and I was duly impressed. ILLYRIA was my favorite answer this morning; NFC was my least. It’s a good thing CELS was so obvious or I would have died on that initial L. A pox on football for multiple reasons. Be like Ted Lasso and move to soccer, and that’s my rant for the day out of the way.

    Whatsername 8:49 AM  

    This puzzle managed to BEMUSE, BEWILDER and BEFUDDLE me from start to finish. Didn’t hate it but I’m not a fan of “find the hidden word” puzzles so it was a RELIEF to be done with it. Not that it would have helped in the solve much, but I’ve never played BOGGLE either, so I was totally flummoxed. Or should that be flummoxxed?

    Another grid with duplicate entries … but apparently that’s totally on the UP and UP now.

    Mike G 8:51 AM  

    Hated it. Instead of asking if it could be done they should have asked if it should be done.

    No. It should not.

    SouthsideJohnny 8:52 AM  

    I haven't played the game - but was able to kind of get what was going on as I was solving. I do admire the time, effort and ambition that must have gone into constructing this one. Wasn't an enjoyable solving experience for me though, as one or two quasi-words is more than enough for me, and this one offers up a banquet of them - SPEX, BCE, BIS, SNAFUED, ABOU et c.

    Surprised that they went with a college in Oregon for REED when they could have had a real NYC crowd-pleaser with "Knicks legend Willis".

    Ellen 9:05 AM  

    Well played

    Ellen 9:12 AM  

    Loved the idea and the animation. Never thought to use the boggle box to solve the flummoxed clues or the flummoxed answers to fill in the box.

    I would play the game more often, but hate the sound the letter cubes make when they hit the game's plastic lid

    Carola 9:18 AM  

    A puzzle with a puzzle bonus, but somehow not double the pleasure for me, despite my after-the-fact admiration for the constructing achievement and the "flummox" trio of BEWILDER, BEMUSE, and BEFUDDLE. On a Thursday I like matching wits with the constructor over the long haul of a solve, and here I just didn't find that possible.

    Help from previous puzzles: HODAD, which I have learned to differentiate from the hodag, a fantastical beast native to Rhinelander, Wisconsin. No idea: ABBY.

    JB 9:18 AM  

    I found the boggle board helpful in getting some of the crosses - looking nat you d*wberries

    PeterThomas 9:20 AM  

    I’m sorry but “spex” is not short for anything except.I guess, in this puzzle.

    JD 9:26 AM  

    Whoa! The Boggle game spells all the theme words and fits inside the non-theme answers? If Rex was suggesting that it wouldn't work on paper, I'm bewitched, bothered and bewildered (Ella, shoulda worked her in there). An incredible feat of construction, with (for me) the solver experience intact.

    Never heard of Dewberries. They must be big in the South though because, "the town of Cameron, North Carolina, was known as the "Dewberry capital of the world." Wonder if they had an annual festival with a Dewberry queen. Probably.

    And you can stay at the Dewberry Charleston in South Carolina where you'll enjoy, "guest rooms and suites, featuring custom designed Stickley armoires with a botanical pattern that includes local foliage and blooms by artist Becca Barnet and bathrooms wrapped in Danby Vermont marble." Ahh, the South. Such a delightful word to say, even though the hotel is named after someone. Maybe he discovered the Dewberry.

    Major Charles Emerson Winchester III of MASH should have had a sister named Illyria. I could hear him saying it so it had to be an A, although I started with a C.

    BTW, the Queen awarded the Beatles OBEs, so Boomers will know. John and George gave theirs back.

    There've been times when I wasn't on Trenton Charlson's wavelength, but in the last couple he's hit it out of the park. Not too bitter about that Spex thing.

    @pabloinnh, Good tribute to the crossword dictionary. My mother-in-law (now 97) had a curled up, coverless, broken-apart one that I tried to replace 3 years ago. I don't think she ever once used it before she gave up on the Universal.

    Frantic Sloth 9:37 AM  

    SNAFUED?? Now we have PTOC? Past Tense Of Convenience?

    Well, I'm not convenienced. But slack is granted because it looks like it was needed to complete the BOGGLE graphic.
    BTW, the post-solve animation illustrating the themers/BOGGLE (game) words was pretty nifty.
    It even looks like the actual letter tray from the game.
    Yeah, I played it ALOT back when I had a mind and could hold a pencil without dropping it repeatedly...what of it?

    My very first thought when I saw the 11D Pensée/IDÉE combo was of poor @SouthsideJohnny and his fierce aversion to non-English words inhabiting the puzzle. It's like they're taunting him. 😕


    The idiotic things that stay with me...
    TREEBOA BREATH sounds like an @M&A self-description, but I'ma make it my own.
    Never know when a reptilian insult will come in handy.


    🧠🧠.5
    🎉🎉🎉

    LB 9:39 AM  

    Marge on a the Simpsons played Boggle. (Maybe she still does.) I always seem to know Simpsons answers.

    Z 9:42 AM  

    Any guesses on the number of times I’ve played BOGGLE? Got to the end and was proved right, I didn’t think I’d find the conceit interesting and I didn’t. I did think all the SBers here would probably love it. Considering the constraint from the theme the puzzle was actually quite a bit better than I expected. I liked the BOGGLE synonyms strewn throughout the puzzle and for once the repetitious clue was interesting. Also, the long answers were mostly interesting (though I’m with everyone else giving TREE BOA a bit of side eye).

    I’m guessing MEWLING got the non-cat answer specifically because of all the other Shakespeare in the puzzle, because that line or somebody quoting that line is just about the only place you see the non-cat MEWLING these days…
    Just checked the xwordinfo because I do not see MEWLING all that much outside of crosswords - sort of like the alit/alight/land thing, so this got me curious. This is the first MEWLING appearance in a NYTX since Maleska let it through in 1981 (using a Shakespeare clue of course) and it’s only ever been in a NYTX four times total. But MEWL, OTOH has 34 appearances under Shortz and 33 before. For Shortz it is primarily “Whimper” with a baby reference a distant second. Before Shortz the distribution is about the same, but we only get “kittenish sound” twice, in 1965 and 1970. So absolutely zero support for thinking MEWL is a cat sound in crosswords. I may just have to search Twitter to see how it’s used there, because it’s firmly locked in my head as a cat sound.

    @Anonymous 7:21 - I think RAISING UP is clued accurately and RAISING is not an exact synonym. For example, RAISING a stink but never RAISING UP a stink. RAISING a wall but never RAISING UP a wall. RAISING UP a friend when they’re feeling down but RAISING a friend when they fell down.
    Which suggests time that UP in OWNS UP works almost the same way, almost more of a suffix than a separate word, and as a suffix changing the meaning of the root word like suffixes do. This makes me think repeating UP is less suboptimal than other word repetitions. Just a thought.

    @TJS - I know you’re just yanking his chain, but it was actually something about gender in medieval literature. I only point this out so we don’t get a plethora of “how does anyone get a PhD in comics” questions. My laugh was stopped short because I thought “oh no, someone is going to believe him.”

    Andy Constructor 9:54 AM  

    All "flummoxes" start with BE. It would have been nice to see some variation. Also if the boggle contained BOGGLE, it would have added to the idea.

    Ellen 9:55 AM  

    Loved the idea and the animation. Never thought to use the boggle box to solve the flummoxed clues or the flummoxed answers to fill in the box.

    I would play the game more often but hate the sound the letter cubes make when they hit the game's plastic lid

    bertoray 9:58 AM  

    Sincere lol at the notion of an audience whimpering at the Mewling Dewberries.
    Despite never having played Boggle, I still found pleasure in the solve.

    RooMonster 10:01 AM  

    Hey All !
    To get the Boggly center, grid has odd proportions. No one has said it yet, but Grid is 16x14. With 42 Blockers. And, although consistency, why are each Themer BE-something? Just curious.

    Agree with the SNAFUED naysayers. Is SNAFUING next? Plus BRRR, ASSTDA, ABOU

    But, still kind of a fun theme.

    Surprised Rex didn't go all Rexy at GUNS. BOGGLES the mind!

    Gonna drive my LTD to the beach, and hang with the other HODADS. (Do they have DAD BODS?)

    yd -2 should'ves 1

    Three F's
    RooMonster
    DarrinV

    bocamp 10:01 AM  

    @kitshef (7:47 AM)

    Yes, loved BOGGLE, altho today's SB is, indeed, BOGGLing my mind.
    ___

    td pg -25 (timed out; tabbed for later in the week)

    Peace ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊

    Nancy 10:02 AM  

    So after years of listening to many of you rant about the assorted miseries of solving certain kinds of puzzles on an app, now you can listen to me rant about the misery of solving THIS puzzle with a pen.

    Somehow the squares seemed more squozen then they ever have before in a 16x15 grid. Somehow there didn't seem to be any room at all for my normally beautifully-formed letters. Somehow my (on its last legs and half-dead) erasable pen rebelled more than usual -- skipping and slipping and sliding and intruding into adjacent squares. Somehow I couldn't wait until this puzzle was over and in fact, if I weren't on this blog, I wouldn't have bothered finishing it at all.

    The puzzle itself was a complete yawn. I don't play BOGGLE and have no idea what was going on in the center gray squares (other than a lot of blotches from my wayward pen.) I haven't even bothered to read after the fact what was going on in the center squares. It didn't have anything to do with solving the puzzle and I really don't care.

    Note to Will Shortz: If you're going to run a 16x15 puzzle, can you please squeeze the puzzles on the left side of the page instead? How often do you have to ask them to be generous and help out? I'm sure they won't mind too much.

    pmdm 10:05 AM  

    To each his own. I am not familiar with the game or ever played it. It had no impart on my solving experience. Perhaps the dream I had over night (about a crossword puzzle with a rebus theme) a bit more so. Anyway, no negativity from me about the puzzle today.

    kitshef 10:06 AM  

    @LB 9:39. There are a lot of Simpsons episodes out there, so it could easily have happened that Marge played Boggle.

    But much more famously, Peggy Hill on King of the Hill played Boggle and became the Texas State Boggle Champion.

    All you TREE BOA critics, I've seen a fair few in my time. In particular, the Emerald Tree Boa is as beautiful as you would expect from the name. Alas, the images you see when you Google for it don't do it justice. In person, the green really pops.

    jberg 10:09 AM  

    I don't think I've ever played BOGGLE, but I'm probably wrong because I'm pretty sure we had it in the house. Never played the Charlie's Angels board game, though. Anyway, if I had remembered how the game worked I would have spent less time trying to figure out what was going on in the gray squares.

    I kind of enjoyed it, but it had a few flaws. First of all SNAFU is already in the past tense ('situation normal, all f***ed up'), so it doesn't make sense with another ed after it.

    Second, pre-A.D. is B.C.; BCE is pre-CE. I understand the need not to repeat CE in the clue and the answer, but why not just go with __ hominem?

    Also, DNF because I never thought of SPEX, just left SPEc in even though it wasn't a plural and EcT made no sense. Boohoo.

    DEWBERRIES, though -- I'm kinda surprised so many people don't know them. They're just blackberries that grow along the ground, great for foraging -- although you do have to bend over, so a little more strenuous than picking them off of upright bushes. You all should get out in the woods more.

    A lesser fault, but I've never heard those prosecutors called anything but ADAs.

    A hint for you non-musical types: the higher notes are above the lower notes.

    jberg 10:11 AM  

    BTW, I just did Stella Zawistowsky's Tough as Nails Themeless #52, and she uses OBE (spelled out) as a clue. Coincidence or conspiracy?

    GILL I. 10:15 AM  

    To be...or not to be. This was not to be for me. My tete aux pieds exploded....My Shakespeare wanted to be a dramatist....my GNU was climbing the TREEBOA looking for DEWBERRIES and found none.
    But what is BOGGLE? you ask. I have no frickin idea. ILLYRIA took a bath even though she didn't pay her GAS BILL. ABOU went SNAFUED with that HODAD dude. I should take a BREATH.....but I can't. I'm out of BBS and a bit of BCE.....
    My MEWLING SPEC runneth over.

    Unknown 10:20 AM  

    OK, this puzzle was simply brilliant.
    And a fun challenge.

    Ferrovius 10:22 AM  

    The "happy to be alive" lyric from Tom Petty just broke my heart a little. I had forgotten about this.

    G.S. Parker 10:36 AM  

    I suppose the happy animations in today's puzzle exemplify the reason NYTimes Puzzle stopped supporting other apps.

    Good God!

    jae 10:40 AM  

    Medium. I’ve never played BOGGLE and have no idea how it works. However, after reading Trent’s comments at Xwordinfo it’s clear that this is an impressive feat of construction. So, liked it in retrospect except for maybe SNAFUED.

    TJS 10:41 AM  

    @Z, Don't confuse me with facts.

    x 10:46 AM  

    Like everyone else here, I just want to remind you of how brilliant I am.
    Hey, I've got nothing better to do, do you?

    Newboy 10:47 AM  

    GNUing SNEE from nostalgic solves past I was delighted as always to find Trent’s name at puzzle top. I SPEXted a rare and strange morning & Mr Charlson delivered. For once the NYT software actually aided my solve with the reveal highlighted at the top of the middle clue column to begin and a delightful animation after completion—in truth I had not even considered the BOGGLE center until the flashing began. Since Mrs N always triples my scores when we play, such obliviousness should have been expected. I’m going back to read other responses which will probably be equally divided between Spelling Bee adherents (who probably love it) and HARD LINER purists (like OFL himself?) who no doubt find MAIN ISSUES on which to hang their MEWLING. I’m also wagering that ILLYRIA is going to have some WOE today…let’s see😱

    Joaquin 10:52 AM  

    @Frantic (9:37) and @jberg (10:09) - I had the same reaction to SNAFUED as you did, mentally claiming BS for that entry. However, a bit of research and I found that both M/W and Cambridge dictionaries show "snafued" as a legitimate word.

    mathgent 10:54 AM  

    I love it when the theme helps me solve the puzzle. That happened today. I was having trouble getting RELIEFMAPS and MAINISSUES (green paintish, BTW) until I started playing Boggle with the letters I had in the 4x4. Seeing where BEFUDDLE fit in gave me the F in RELIEFMAPS and the U in MAINISSUES.

    Terrific puzzle despite the 26 threes. Allowances must be made.

    ABBY came onto Sesame Street after when I would watch with my grandson. She seems to be a very popular character.

    I solve on paper. I read that online solvers were given a 3-D visual of the Boggle grid. I hope that one of us will describe it more fully.

    Flummox and its three synonyms. Delightful.


    Liveprof 10:55 AM  

    There was a Twilight Zone episode in which a tanker truck driver breaks down in the desert and dies of thirst never learning his “cargo” was water. The EAU, so close to GOES DRY, reminded me of that.

    Joseph Michael 11:05 AM  

    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who have played BOGGLE and those who haven’t. As a member of the latter group, the theme was lost on me as I solved, but I emerge impressed by the construction now that I know what’s going on (thanks, Rex). However, my printout of the puzzle didn’t light up or do any fancy animation tricks when I finished. so I am also disappointed.

    I thought BIS were people who are sexually attracted to both men and women. Never heard anyone refer to their arm muscles that way. Then there’s ASSTDA, which just doesn’t look right, and A LOT of flotsam in the SE like BCE, GSU, and NFC hovering around that A FLAT.

    Favorite word in the grid: MEWLiNG. Second favorite: SONNETEER. Least favorite: SPEX.

    What an elm wears when it’s dressed up in drag: a TREE BOA.

    What? 11:14 AM  

    Reminds me when Rex the English major had not heard of Wilder’s “The Skin of Our Teeth”. Says something about his graduate alma mater I guess.
    Signed - a biochemistry PhD.

    Newboy 11:16 AM  

    😌 ahhh

    Only thing better than Trenton’s grid was @Lewis responding in kind.

    DewberryLover 11:17 AM  

    I can confirm that dewberries are very common in the south (if Texas is the south). I went back to Texas when everything shut down, and my favorite quarantine activity was walking to the field by our house and collecting the dewberries as they ripened until we had enough to make a cobbler!

    Anonymous 11:32 AM  

    I guess OFL isn't up on his 19th century Brit Lit. MEWLING babies is rather prosaic.

    Euclid 11:38 AM  

    Tell me true: did the center BOGGLE help figuring the 3 answers?? Or was it just an end of solve Easter egg????

    Gretchen 11:47 AM  

    Thanks. Now I won't be able to stop singing "Bewitched, bothered and bewildered" all day.

    Jim in Canada 11:58 AM  

    I love dewberries. We grew them when I lived in Texas. Like blackberries, but much larger and a bit sweeter. We also grew Brazos Berries, which were a hybrid of dewberries and something else. They were even larger.

    But "spex"? That's "specs". It's always only ever been "specs."

    KIKI_P 12:00 PM  

    I always try to guess what Rex thinks, and I am usually right. But wasn't this time. As a former Boggle player myself, I thought it clever and I admired the construction of the crossword as well as the internal Boggle board.

    Anonymous 12:03 PM  

    Miaow was the name of a great British band that put out some records on Factory. Singer Cath Carroll also had a solo record on Factory and another on Teen-Beat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaXejIruszo

    Linda 12:08 PM  

    HODAD's is a restaurant chain in San Diego serving awesome burgers. Particularly popular, lines for entry can often be seen snaking down the block.

    pabloinnh 12:18 PM  

    All the DEWBERRY references jangling some sort of memory bell about a song so I went looking and finally found it, a Chad Mitchell Trio number called "Dubarry Done Gone Again".

    Well, I was close.

    Anonymoose 12:25 PM  

    I started solving, wondering what the Thursday gimmick would be. I was aware of the shaded central 4x4 and figured it would make sense in the end somehow. I liked it a lot as a themeless but the gimmick turned out to be uninteresting. The animated graphic in the completed puzzle merely drew more attention to the "Look what I did" nature of the construction.

    mathgent 12:29 PM  

    My favorite comments this morning.

    Rex (for the visual)
    Chris Christie (6:39)
    Paul ... (8:43)
    Liveprof (10:55)
    l

    Michael Page 12:29 PM  

    Thought the construction was brilliant, but had PPP issues with ABOU and LEN side by side crossing SONNETEER. Also with SNAFUED, notwithstanding descriptive (as opposed to prescriptive) dictionaries (they’ll let anything in). SNAFU is ALREADY past tense : “situation normal, all fouled/f*cked up.” So if you double-past-tense it, does it mean it used to be fouled up, but isn’t any more?
    And yet another appearance of the dread a lot/a ton kealoa.

    The animation was excellent.

    Beezer 12:31 PM  

    Count me in with the folks that loved this puzzle! @Euclid, when I put BOGGLE in I figured the gray was the BOGGLE game square but did not use it to solve the themers and, in fact, it took me forever to get BEWILDERED and SONNETEER…d’oh!

    For some reason I can never get it in my thick skull that BEMUSED is more akin to CONFUSED than AMUSED. I’m going to crack it up to faulty syntax clues (or rather MY faulty brain) when I read as a kid. Hah! I never use the word because I assume others might misconstrue it. Besides, the word BEFUDDLED is way more down my alley.

    @Mathgent, upon solve the Boggle squares look like cubes and are surrounded by yellow (I seem to remember the Boggle bottom was yellow. Also a little blue line continually connects the different theme answers. Kinda cool and I’m not a purist.

    egsforbreakfast 12:37 PM  

    This puzzle makes me wonder: Do HARDLINERS HEFT GUNS while HODADS DEWBERRIES?

    As with most Trenton Charlson puzzles, I come away awed by his ability to identify a problem and then build a grid to support it. I suspect he has more fun constructing than I do solving his constructions. But I still relish the coming intellectual struggle each time I see his byline, and I feel great relief once I’ve made it through. Sort of like how Kevin must feel as Harry and Marv are loaded in the cop car at the end of Home Alone.

    Z 12:40 PM  

    @jberg & @Frantic Sloth & @Juaquin - I would tend to agree, and I can’t really work out if SNAFUED is operating as a verb or an adjective in the context of the clue. Definitely suboptimal. I did look at the M-W entry where it lists it as a noun first (from 1941), and adjective second (from 1942), and a verb third (from 1943), giving SNAFUED, SNAFUing, and SNAFUs as verb forms. Interestingly, though, the only recent examples from the web are SNAFU as a noun.

    MEWL Twitter update, it took some searching (and discovering some guy tweeting using what I think is the Cyrillic alphabet but with the Twitter handle “Mewl”) but there are, indeed, cats MEWLing all over the Twitterverse.

    @TJS 10:41 - 😂🤣😂 - And I did think your earlier post was pretty funny, too.

    @Euclid - I think just an easter egg.

    Re BIS - Four of the last five times it has appeared in a NYTX it has been a BIcepS reference, first appearing with this clue in 2017. It’s shown up another 85 times, almost exclusively with an “encore” or “twice” sort of clue. I see only two clues as a shortened form of BIsexualS, one in 2012 and the other in 2013. I have no idea if anyone actually uses BIS this way, but apparently Shortz et al. have decided it’s a better clue than going operatic.
    (FYI - over at xwordinfo.com below the notes are the completed grid and a complete list of clues and answers. Click on an answer in the list and you will get a complete list of the word’s appearances and the clues used. There’s also a search bar there where you can look up other entries)

    Jeremy 1:13 PM  

    I Strongly Disliked this puzzle. Frankly, I hated it. I think this is the first time I was more negative about a puzzle than Rex. And it's not about the Boggle theme - I think that's really cute.

    I just really really disliked the vocabulary used in this puzzle. SNAFUED is *not* a word. Nobody uses SPEX - they say "specs". TREE BOA is nothing. ABOU? Effectively a random string of letters. IDEE? What is that? ASST DA is garbage. It's either ADA or ASSISTANT DA. ILLYRIA is a real thing, but given that I had never heard of it, its letters are completely uninferrable.

    On top of all that: why do all the theme answers start with B? Is there some requirement in Boggle that all words have to start with the same letter? For that matter, do they have to have the same definition? I don't think so.

    Last, tiny annoyance to serve as the straw that broke the camel's back: BCE does not go with AD. It's BC & AD, or BCE and CE.

    Yuck. Thumbs down. Grumble grumble.

    Frantic Sloth 1:22 PM  

    Rex's MEWLING DEWBERRIES bit tickled me. As for MEWLING done by babies, several here have already alluded to one of the most famous monologues from Shakespeare. Here's the entire thing, should anyone care:

                              All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

    ---------------

    Way to end on a high note, Jaques.

    @Joaquin 1042am Thanks for checking, but surely you agree it's an ugly word, right? Sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley. 😉

    @Trey 659am With you all the way on BIS. Tiptoeing the LGBTQIJKandbacktoLagain PC line, if you ask me.

    @TJS 745am 🤣🤣🤣 Your first paragraph. I quickly erase-erase-erased that image as soon as I read Rex's TMI snippet. I'll bet he was Jill, the Farrah Fawcett character because obvious.

    @Ellen 912ams LOL! Yes! The absolute worst part of the game! Why was it so loud???

    @JD 926am John and George gave back their OBEs and look what happened to them. Coincidence?

    @Z 942am I don't get why you never played BOGGLE. It's just an anagram tray of potential words. A whole bunch of anagrams. Lots and lots and lots of anagrams. And more anagrams. Maybe even a few anagrams. Just anagrams - nothing to fear.

    @Roo 1001am SNAFUing will likely come around and bring it's ugly friend SNAFUition to SNAFruition.

    @jberg 1009am Excellent point on SNAFU already in the past tense, but I fear that doesn't matter to English. 🤷‍♀️

    @G.S. Parker 1036am I think you're right. I enjoyed the animation and I still hate that "trade-off".


    P.S.
    @Z ➡️anagrams⬅️

    JD 1:22 PM  

    @Z, Of course there's always the threat of something becoming All Snafued UP As Usual.

    L. Hart 1:23 PM  

    @Gretchen (11:47am)

    Curious which of these best expresses your reaction to the puzzle...

    A. Wild again, beguiled again; a simpering, whimpering child again

    B. Vexed again, perplexed again; thank god, I can be oversexed again

    C. Wise at last, my eyes at last are cutting you down to your size at last

    albatross shell 1:30 PM  

    Best Four Flummox puzzle ever.
    Very happy to finish. Probably played BOGGLE 10 to 20 times. Some kind of timer, point system for length of words? Certain total to win? Can you tell how much fun I had playing it?


    Did not know ILLYRIA ABOU REY ABBY TREEBOA. DEWBERRIES was a gimmie (plant guy). MEWLING easy after baWLING failed. Say isn't there some quote fom Milton or Donne or one of those guys with mewling? BARB, was that a hint?

    @Kitshef
    If the e emerald green tree boa looks better than those photos I'm impressed. I'll have to stop in at Clyde Peeling's Reptile Land and see if they have one.

    Nothing bad about a couple of flaws in an original creative puzzle. Much more awed and boggled than dazed and conpaining. A Thursday banquet.

    Speaking of Banquo the new Macbeth may be better than Polanski's. Looking forward to it.

    DigitalDan 1:37 PM  

    Anybody for some errant pedantry, up with which the likes of which Winston Churchill would not put?

    Boggle is a game featuring a 3 x 3 grid.
    The 4 x 4 game is called Big Boggle.

    Masked and Anonymous 2:05 PM  

    Mind BOGGLin theme mcguffin to figure out, pre-revealer. Pretty good ahar moment eventually, tho.
    Plus, any puz that produces comments from y'all such as MEWLING DEWBERRIES & TREEBOA BREATH can't be all bad.

    16x14 puzgrid, as some here have already acknowledged. Different. Always appreciate different, even when subtle.

    Reasonably smooth solvequest, altho the nanoseconds kinda went down the black hole of ILLYRIA/AFLAT, at our house. Also the French lessons seemed a bit severe, with EAU+ETS+IDEE. So that also snafued M&A's hodads, a bit. [har. Otto Correct thought I meant "hod ads", back there.]

    Puzeatinspouse & I used to play Boggle quite a bit, back in our game-playin days. Also played a lotta bridge, 42, and backgammon. I think the games dried up, as we lost all our parents and the nephews/nieces grew up and moved on. Plus our friends outgrew playin board games, so I guess we musta too. We do have a grand-nephew who loves to play the boardgames, but he lives abroad. He is a ginormous chess & Risk fan, at age 8. Also likes contract bride, so we taught his dad how, last time he visited.
    But, I digress.

    staff weeject pick: BBS. Went well with nearbby neighborrr BRRR.

    Well, as they say in some weird-ass xwords: Efma sues yer dewb rdli, folks. Now, pardon me while I try to calm poor ol' Otto Correct down a bit…

    And thanx for the touch of illyria, Mr. Charlson dude. Bewilderinly good. Bewitchin and botherin, also.

    Masked & Anonym007Us

    p.s. If they ever name a mutation of co-vid "the illyria strain", M&A guarantees that everyone and their day-um dog will wanna get the vaccine. [Except maybe for Hamilton, who always says he "ain't gonna take my shot".]


    **gruntz**

    okanaganer 2:08 PM  

    I never played Boggle but enjoyed the little game within a game. I am still using Across Lite because it's just better than the alternatives; no animations are gonna make me switch.

    Today's grid actually looks like a RELIEF MAP. Central Pennsylvania, maybe (unusual geography there!).

    [Spelling Bee: yd pg -1; missed this old word.]

    Wundrin' 2:22 PM  

    I did some Boggle Googling and it looks like there is no letter orientation conformity when players start finding words. Letters can be upside down or facing the wrong way. I would find that terribly annoying. It appears that a Boggle grid such as appears in our puzzle today would be extremely rare, with all letters oriented as we actually read. I'm very open to correction as I have never played the game.

    Twangster 2:34 PM  

    FWIW, there's a great Jimmie Rodgers tune called "Ben Dewberry's Final Run." Gillian Welch and David Rawlings do a nice cover.

    Ben Dewberry was a brave engineer
    He told his fireman don't you ever fear
    All I want is the water and coal
    Put your head out the window, watch the drivers roll

    kitshef 2:37 PM  

    @Digital Dan - Big Boggle is 5x5. Boggle is 4x4.

    Aelurus 2:59 PM  

    Had just enough time this morning to finish the puzzle because it turned out to be pretty easy, maybe because my late husband and I liked to play Boggle. A LOT. And I just knew those themers were what was happening in the center circled squares so didn’t even need the iPad app zigzagging around and emphasizing that when I was done.

    Have got to get back to work and then to errands but wanted to sign in to thank Rex for, not a giggle, or a chuckle, or a chortle, more like a frisson of delighted laughter imagining the Mewling Dewberries covering the Traveling Wilburys.

    And, like Rex in yesterday’s comments, want to say – do be careful out there, everyone (I think that phrasing is from an old sitcom but can’t remember which) – I’m boostered and when out am double-masked but that pandemic fatigue is sometimes overpowering. Yesterday I got halfway out of the neighborhood before realizing I had to drive back home and mask up. So now, like several of my friends have done, there's extra facial PPE in the car (not to be confused with extra PPP in the puzzle). Stay safe, everyone.

    Oh, my snag wasn’t the cover-band cross but the PPP DNF at the “Y” in ILLYRIA/REY.

    Kevin 3:00 PM  

    Got to go to bat for DEWBERRIES. Maybe it’s a regional thing, but I grew up in Mississippi and South Carolina and was very familiar with them. They grew wild on untended lots, and we’d eat them right off the vine or gather them up all summer. I used to think raspberry was just a Northern word that meant dewberry.

    jae 3:23 PM  

    @Aelurus - Not a sitcom but “Hill Street Blues”

    Beezer 3:35 PM  

    @Okanaganer…just out of curiosity, what do you like about AcrossLite? I downloaded it and didn’t like the tiny keyboard and the fact I couldn’t see the entire puzzle, but I work on an iPad and maybe I would need to change settings. I WILL say that for folks that work on paper…seeing ALL clues makes it easier to “fan around” the puzzle. With that said, to each his/her own on all these apps. I sometimes think we have our own way of processing info.

    Harry 3:43 PM  

    Not sure why, but this was a hard solve for me ... saved only by virtue of the BOGGLE device. Had that not been resolved, this would have been a very frustrating DNF.

    Unknown 3:59 PM  

    The more I return to this puzzle, the more I am astounded by its sheer creativity and genius.
    Yes, I worked as a former ADA so I too raised an eyebrow at ASSTDA, but clearly there had to be some compromises in order to squeeze in the central grid and the four themers.

    To those of you carping at this puzzle's "flaws," I'm really really glad we don't know each other IRL.

    Anonymous 4:04 PM  

    BOGGLE-A miniature word search puzzle but with no word list and you can change direction at will. I'll pass.

    okanaganer 4:50 PM  

    @Beezer 3:35 pm,
    I solve on a desktop computer with 2 HD monitors and a full keyboard. Across Lite lets me see the entire grid quite easily, even on a Sunday. And I can have all the clues visible without scrolling (except on a Sunday I have to scroll a bit).

    I can imagine that on a tablet it wouldn't nearly as convenient! I'm sure you're better off with an app.

    Smith 5:20 PM  

    Personal best time on a Thursday, hmm. And I'm super tired after late night book club holiday party yd and day of work. So less than medium.

    Never played Boggle, so was BEMUSED by the middle squares until the app did its thing at the end. Pretty cool construction, but while solving was BEWILDERED by the nonsensicality of those middle squares...

    Anonymous 7:35 PM  

    A lot of fairly obscure words today(at least to me). I, too, had the one empty square in the middle not know MEWLING or DEWBERRY. Northeast was also stubborn to me - ABOU, LEN Goodman (never watched that show), IDEE, and REED College. For some reason Thursdays play tougher for me than any other day of the week (my Thursday average is slower than my Saturday!)

    albatross shell 7:55 PM  

    I have heard HODADS before but never knew its meaning. Here I found out it is a restaurant. From the puzzle I find it is a wannabe surfer. From the webs I find its a faux surfer just after the girls at the beach, or a greaser who hangs out at the beach more the black shirt and jeans low-riders or motorheads crew, or and old surfer who still uses a long board. If anyone is familiar with decades of California beach culture was this an evolving term over the years or is some of it just bs?

    I recognized the term as a term after I got enough crosses. My early guess was bOarDS. Just a BOARD, ain't no Surfer there.

    sf27shirley 8:36 PM  

    As a one time gym rat and long time weight lifter, I have never once heard anyone abbreviate biceps, certainly never to BIS.

    Nancy 8:36 PM  

    "Larry" (1:23) -- If you wrote those lines from memory, maybe we should have dinner. Call me.

    And of course you would know that the lyric is not:

    "He may laugh, but I love it,
    Although the laugh's on me."

    No. We both know that the lyric is:

    "He's a laugh and I love it
    Because the laugh's on me.

    Any man who can quote Larry Hart is OK in my book.

    Monty Boy 10:39 PM  

    All this SNAFU talk and no one has mentioned FUBAR can be found in the central cluster (part of another, similarly defined saying) .

    Elle54 11:46 PM  

    Thumbs up for the animation!!!!

    Nessa 11:49 PM  

    I really liked this one

    LB 10:22 AM  

    Yep. You are right. It was Peggy I miss “King of the Hill.”

    Anna 10:07 PM  

    Arrogant of you to assume said people would want to know someone who can’t acknowledge flaws at all

    Maybe . . . 10:32 PM  

    Yes, me, too. bOarDS. I'm from PA (like, not so far from northeast USA, NYC); don't know any surfers or, apparently, fake surfers.

    thefogman 10:21 AM  

    Great concept. Too bad the grid was compromised by so much three-letter flotsam. Sadly, it’s just not up to SPEX.

    spacecraft 10:27 AM  

    Been years since I played BOGGLE. A remarkable square there, managing to contain so many synonyms repeated in the theme slots. A tour de force. We do pay for it with some wifty fill, but it's worth the price. Birdie.

    Diana, LIW 11:05 AM  

    Oh. Now I get it. Not BOGGLEd, but I do get it.

    Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords, and ABBY, dear ABBY

    Burma Shave 11:35 AM  

    BARB AGREES

    The HARDLINERS' MAINISSUES
    SHE OBEYs should be SHED,
    OPERATING to BEMUSE,
    they're like MEWLING in BED.

    --- LEN REED

    rondo 12:02 PM  

    ♫ ♫ BEMUSEd, BEWILDERED, and BEFUDDLEd am I . . . ♫ ♫
    Not really, but it’s probably been about 40 years since I played BOGGLE and I couldn’t have told you the rules or the size of the grid. So, kinda interesting there in the middle.

    I had SNArlED at first. An ISSUE for me is that SNAFU is already ‘Fouled Up’ (or ‘F***ed Up’) so that combo of two -ed words doesn’t really work for me.

    SHE is ‘High by the Beach’, Lana Del REY, yeah baby.

    I wouldn’t have looked for all those words in the middle, so I guess I was a bit BOGGLED.

    Anonymous 1:30 PM  

    Top half full of trivia and foreign language, bottom half Monday easy. Boggle was a game I hated to play. My MIL, however, would play solitary Boggle with no timer for hours, quite happily.

    Waxy in Montreal 6:02 PM  

    BEFUDDLED by SPEX (Specs, no?) and HODADS (really?) which left me SNAFUED. Otherwise RAISINGUP a masu cup of SAKE to Mr. Charlson - excellent puzzle. Loved the Shakespearean mini-theme of SONNETEER, ILLYRIA (Twelfth Night) and MEWLING (As You Like It).

    And I OWNSUP - would really be a BREATH of fresh air to be able to GREET someone again with a hug or kiss - or anything of a similar ILK.

    rondo 6:34 PM  

    @Waxy - I AGREES. Missing many people that I'd like to GREET.

    leftcoaster 6:42 PM  

    Never played the game BOGGLE, or ever heard of it, though a key to the theme.

    I got out of this what I could. Which wasn’t A LOT. Tried GRope(!) instead of GREET, HODADS instead of ... what? And Shakespeare’s ILLYREA.

    Overall, Trenton Charlson’s work on this was pretty impressive, even ingenious.

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