Constructor: Willa Angel Chen Miller and Matthew Stock
Relative difficulty: Medium to Medium-Challenging (very challenging up top, very easy down below)
THEME: none, for the most part — there's a little two-clue Beauty and the Beast "joke" in the middle of the grid, but I wouldn't call it a "theme"
Word of the Day: DAVE & Busters (56D: Half of a noted arcade pair) —
Dave & Buster's Entertainment, Inc. (stylized in all caps) is an American restaurant and entertainment business headquartered in Dallas. Each Dave & Buster's location has a full-service restaurant, full bar, and a video arcade; the latter of which is known as the "Million Dollar Midway". As of September 2023, the company currently has a total of 156 locations in the United States, with two in Puerto Rico and two in Canada. // In 1982, David "Dave" Corriveau (1951-2015) and James "Buster" Corley (1951-2023) opened the first Dave & Buster’s in Dallas. (wikipedia)
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This wasn't for me. I don't know if it's a food hangover or what, but I could barely get started on this grid in the N/NW. The shape of that corner is such that there are no short crosses at the front ends of the longer answers, to help you get started, and the first short cross I found and tried was a name I'd never heard of (not the answer, not the two name parts in the clue, nothing) (4D: Ghanaian author ___ Kwei Armah). Yes, I should know more about world literature, but still, I won't be anywhere near alone in not knowing that name today. I went through all the short crosses up top and the only things I had, even semi-confidently, were TOMB and TWO (which I also thought might be VEE). I thought TEE UP might work at 11D: Begin a hole, but I also thought DRIVE seemed plausible; anyway, TEE OFF seemed like a much better answer for that clue than TEE UP. So I left it. And eventually I left that corner altogether—for the northeast, where I finally got some real traction with RNS, EAU, AMP. Once again, it's the names that were the main problem for me today; that, and what seemed like Saturday-level cluing all over the place. As for names, "NO TIME TO DIE" meant nothing to me except as some hackneyed phrase anyone might've used at any point in history for any crime- or adventure-related anything (17A: Bond theme song that won an Academy Award in 2022). AYI, no way, PATON I know as an author, not as an "Anti-apartheid activist," and then KINPIRA, LOL, that answer was just letters to me. First I've ever seen such a "dish" (43D: Sautéed-and-simmered Japanese dish).
There were other names I knew (-ish) but needed crosses to get to (speaking of CROSSES, yeesh, that clue (2D: XXX, in a way)—I'm not British, this isn't a British paper, so we don't call it "Noughts & CROSSES"—we call it "tic tac toe") (I suppose you could also argue that "X" represents "cross" in road signs, e.g. "Ped Xing"—either way, that clue was ???). I saw Beauty and the Beast once 30+ years ago, so LUMIÈRE eventually came back to me, but he wasn't an instant get. And I stared at -AVE for more than a second before running the alphabet, hitting "D" for DAVE, and recalling that yes, I had seen many ads for a place called DAVE & Busters that looked like the awfulest place on earth. A place designed to keep me out. Like a Chuck E. Cheese for grown-ups, which is to say, like some place in hell—one of the noisier, more chaotic rings ... maybe level three (gluttons) or four (hoarders/spenders)? Anyway, as I said, this puzzle was simply not for me. Over and over, just outside my frame of reference.
The proper nounification of the grid continues to run amok here, with a bunch of names, including at least a couple of names that didn't need to be names at all. When your grid is already choked with names, why that clue on ARM? (60A: "The ___ of the Starfish" (1965 sequel to "A Wrinkle in Time")). Why that clue on SERIAL? (48D: Hit podcast beginning in 2014). Either clue would be OK in a grid that wasn't already awash in names. The editor should have a greater sense of balance. The geographical names don't rankle nearly so much, since they seem equally available to all solvers. Not exclusionary. Anyway, the names (some of which I knew, more of which I didn't) distracted from some of the grid's finer points. The central Beauty and the Beast cross is cute, and those wide-open NW and SE corners are not bad, especially the Acrosses. And as hard as the top of this puzzle was for me, the bottom was easy. At times, very easy. Really uneven difficulty on the puzzle overall, with NW running like a Saturday, NE like a proper Friday, SE more like a Wednesday (KINPIRA notwithstanding), and SW like a Monday (done in seconds—never even saw the clues on ARM or RIA). In short, liked the Acrosses in the NW and SE, liked the Beauty and the Beast conceit, but didn't really groove on the much of the connective tissue, which I found sloggy, namey, oddly clued. The whole experience was less whoosh-whoosh than tromp-tromp-tromp.
Bullet points:
21A: Chemistry research centers? (NUCLEI) — I learned about the components of cells in Biology, not Chemistry, but the clue is still kind of cute. (Forgot there are two kinds of NUCLEI—cellular (which I was thinking of) and atomic (which the clue was referring to))
43D: Sautéed-and-simmered Japanese dish (KINPIRA) — I'm writing a note about this in the hopes that it helps me remember (this worked once with BIRYANI, which you can also spell BIRIYANI; see, I remembered that too!):
34A: Mystic associated with the Dead Sea Scrolls (ESSENE) — ancient answer that is also ancient crosswordese. All super-common letters. A real crutch. If you've never encountered the ESSENEs before, commit that name to memory, you'll see it again. Its convenient letters ensure that it will show up in grids, maybe not frequently, but forever and ever.
42A: They might be down for a ski trip (PARKAS) — A "down" pun clue. "Down" here = insulation provided by goose (or other waterfowl) feathers.
57A: Ones receiving free room and board, for short (RAS) — Resident Assistants. Student overseers of college dormitories.
9D: Bore (HAD) — think "___ children"
12D: One whose hard work is showing? (REALTOR) — They "show" properties.
25A: Light lager variety, casually (PILS) — short for "pilsner." I guess it's reasonably common among beer aficionados. Seems like a horrible cute-ified abbrev. to let loose on the grid, but someone debuted it in 2023 so now you're gonna see it forever.
39D: Piece of a children's book, perhaps (FLAP) — totally inscrutable to me. I was picturing illustrations, pop-up features, maybe tactile features like in Pat the Bunny, but FLAP, well, you got me there. I'm sure there are, in fact, FLAPs in children's books—you lift them, you find things, etc.—but that's not really a front-of-the-brain "piece of a children's book" for me.
31A: Mohawk culture (PUNK) — really thought this was going to have a Native American frame of reference, but then I live near Mohawk country. But the "Mohawk" in question here is the haircut, which is iconically associated with PUNK rock "culture."
Challenging, which isn't bad per se, but also a complete slog. Too many overwrites and too many WOEs to catalog, too many proper nouns, too many trips to Google.com.
I disagree that "are you awake" can't possibly be answered "no". Can't be answered *truthly* with no, but I've definitely used that to signify wanted to sleep and not start a conversation.
I also don't think this clue is accurate: people can absolutely respond to questions while asleep. AREYOUALIVE, which is what I had for a good while, is an entirely different matter.
Overall I found the puzzle Easy-Medium - most of the crucial longs came in without too much work - though it took me an embarrassingly long time to draw on SANTAFE given how much time I've spent there over the years.
This one just felt clunky and cumbersome. It was almost impossible to get any rhythm going. I felt like Frankenstein wandering around the grid and bumping into stuff I didn’t recognize. So, I’m going to be in the “It was a slog” club today.
Kudos to Rex for pointing out the inelegance of cluing regular words as PPP when the grid is already loaded with entries like ESSENE, AYI, LUMIERE, Chalcocyanite, KINPIRA, and the like. This one would be tough even on a Saturday.
Many of the same problems as OFL, starting with problems in the NW. Confidently began writing in DENVER but had some boxes left over and then saw TSA which meant no Denver anyway. Finished in the NW and learned something about SANTAFE.
We just went to a delightful stage production of Beauty and the Beast, so LUMIERE
I remembered Paton from Cry, The Beloved Country, read during my college years, so anti-apartheid clicked. And I remembered Arm of the Starfish from something. No Time To Die was the title of the movie too, and it was a modest hit. I like Japanese food but never heard of Kinpira: filled it in from the crosses. Overall a proper Saturday, I thought.
I liked this a lot. The redundancy of GATHER TOGETHER clue irritated me a wee bit. Gather means 'bring together' and is sufficient. @Rex. I think the "children's" part of the clue was BUT a misdirection. Any jacketed book has FLAPs. This was a lovely puzzle.
A satisfying, fun, and most lovely pot-pourri today: • Tough, satisfying-to-complete areas that required a good number of return-to’s. • “Whee!” splat-fill areas. • Exquisite wordplay, as in [Chemistry research centers?] for NUCLEI, [One whose hard work iis showing?] for REALTOR, and [They might be down for a ski trip] for PARKAS. • Spark in the NW and SE stacks, where five of the six answers are NYT debut answers. • A riddle! An actual riddle! – [Question that can’t possibly be answered “no”].
And for me: • A simply gorgeous word I don’t remember ever seeing before: KINPIRA. • Answers I loved (SCRATCH THAT, MACABRE, CASE IN POINT, NAME ONE). • The rhyming sing-song abutting pair of SALARY ad CALORIE.
Matthew, I always know I’m in for a first-rate experience when I see your name atop a puzzle, and Angel, congratulations on your debut – may it be the first of many! Thank you both for a splendid outing today!
Same NW difficulties as OFL, especially when Denver had to be wrong for 1D. TSA eliminated that one. Also, too short. Oops. Ping ponged around and landed on SANTAFE last--learned something there.
We just saw a delightful stage production of Beauty and the Beast so LUMIERE was a gimme, thank goodness. KINPIRA though--really? Yikes. See also AYI. I've probably done thousands of crosswords and never seen either one. Live and learn.
ESSENE is an old friend, but the wording of the clue had me looking for a name. Sorry to take so long to remember you ESSENE. Nice to see you again.
All in all an appropriate Friday solve. Well done, WA CM and MS. A Worthy Adversary with Challenging Moments that Meant Satisfaction upon completion. Thanks for all the fun.
Had to cheat in the middle. Had COMMUNE instead of COMPILE, then tried COMBINE, then started to look things up. The clue for PARKAS is misleading, I thought, because "down" isn't an adjective. Nobody says, "I have a down parka."
Way too many proper nouns that were completely outside of my wheelhouse. After my first pass the only two answers I had confidently were TSA and "ZERO" for number of states who's names begin with B. NONE is not a number. So that screwed me for a while. I also ran through the Rocky Mountain state capitals, but for some reason thought the capital of New Mexico was Las Cruces. Ugh. Not a good solve for me at all.
Tough Friday. Not sure why FLAP is part of a children's book and happy to see I'm not alone in that. FLAP, KINPIRA and AYI had to come entirely from crosses.
Hand up for 'do you hear me' and 'are you alive' before 'are you awake'.
What bothered me the most about this puzzle is that Lumiere and Cogsworth are NOT compatriots. Famously, Cogsworth is a stereotypical uptight BRITISH butler while Lumiere is his carefree FRENCH counterpart.
Have heard of Tempura, but KINPIRA a new one here.
Puz turned out not super difficult, but thought-provoking, if you will. Enough push back, but I was able to power through to victory! (How's that for hyperbole?)
We'll, if you're frantically shopping today, good luck. I once went to Sears on a Black Friday for a long wool coat that was many dollars off at 9:00am. Hardly anyone in the store! And they still had coats. So, advice would be go shopping later in the day.
Happy Day After Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Leftovers Day!
Very similar experience to OFL. Also m/TARS for awhile even though it had to be EXIT... but the bottom was so easy! CASE IN POINT off a coupla letters, same for OVER A BARREL. Whooshy. Then back up trying to crack the NW, sigh. Longer than usual for a Friday!
I had the exact same experience as Rex today in every way, even the initial TWO or VEE? I did get LUMIERE but more because I speak French and it’s French for light. Glad it was not the other way around because Cogsworth would have been a lot harder. But PATON, KINPARA and even CANBERRA were so hard for me. Didn’t even remember NO TIME TO DIE even though I did know it was a Billie Eilish song. Anyhoo, glad you are back!! Happy Tday!
Same difficulties as Rex in the NW, but also huge problems in the SE. i love Japanese food and have traveled to Japan, and have never heard of KINPIRA. Well now I know I guess. CASEINPOINT would simply not come to me even though I had several crosses, but not knowing KINPIRA, I had —-PuRA, and having no idea about DAVE as clued, thought it could be DoVE or DiVE. And, dumb mistake, I had LEA instead of SEA. So, a bit of a disaster there.
Redundant, yes, but it reminded me of an old hymn we used to sing at Thanksgiving, and thus felt appropriate to the season: “We gather together to ask the Lord’s blessing . . .”
This puzzle would have been easy, with some of that whoosh Rex goes on about, except for two things. Most important, I misread the clue at 1-D, and was looking for a state whose capital was at 7,200 feet, rather than for the city in question. In case you are interested, the only states that fit (or at least the only high-altitude states -- Vermont is too low, despite the Green Mountains) are Wyoming and Montana.
The second problem is that, as an early octogenarian, I know many of the stories made into Disney feature films from their original (or at least earlier) sources, rather than from the cartoons. And since my youngest child just turned 48, I have not seen any of the newer cartoons. So I was completely stumped about Cogsworth and LUMIERE. But that was not as serious a problem, as it did not involve putting in incorrect crosses.
I'm not sure about FLAP either -- does it just mean the one of the flaps on a dust jacket? But adult books have those as well.
As for 43-D, I've eaten a lot of Japanese food, but never heard of KINPIRA. I had katsura for a long time, though I wasn't sure about the simmering; I did know it wasn't tempura, at least.
I agree that the bore a child interpretation is probably the best one so far, I was trying to lawyer myself into believing that if someone “bore the burden” they had a burden to bear.
I found the SE to be hardest, though when I look at it now, the answers don't seem so bad, with one exception. KINPIRA? It's a side dish. Why would anyone know that? AYI, though in the northwest, too. I kept thinking ATTUNED had to be wrong. ANTI was slow to come. In grammatical analysis, the 'head' is a noun. Using 'head' to mean a prefix isn't the greatest cluing. I agree with a previous commenter that SAINTLY is not divine. That's a bad answer for that clue, or a bad clue for that answer.
I rather enjoyed this one. Yes it was part Friday and part Saturday. Call it a Friday and a half but not over the top. I too struggled getting started in the NW and actually finished there. But once I gave up and moved to the NE I was able to navigate back counter clockwise and again struggled a bit to wrap it up until I dropped Santa Fe in which in retrospect should have been a gimme.
What I liked best: crossing of LUMIERE and WAXFIGURE and placement of SALARY and CALORIE. Also - have no recollection of seeing MACABRE in the puzzle any time recently. What I liked least - never heard of KINPIRA or CANBERRA but I offer a HATTIP to dropping them in almost along side one another. Sorry but never heard of Alan PATON and I am way behind on my Ghanaian literature. Also don’t think the use of ATTUNED as a verb is very common. Could have clued this differently.
Okay, okay, so I looked up NO TIME TO DIE. I hoped it would spring this bear of a puzzle open for me and it did. But just barely.
I had ARE YOU AWAKE in first, confirmed by AKIN -- but after that the entire top was a mystery. I didn't know AYI; I think CROSSES is very badly clued (what is "in a way" doing there?) and don't get me started on "bore" = HAD. Just. Don't.
What's the vowel? I have BRITA/KINPIRA, but it could be BRETA/KENPIRA or anything at all. I forgot to look. Guess I don't care so much.
FELTS as a verb?
My biggest wrong answer stumbling block was MOT for the bit of wit. I had it in mind (bore it in mind?) and I couldn't shake it. It took me forever to come up with PUN.
This was Saturday-tough for me and not in such a fun way either. Only my stubbornness propelled me onward -- and, as it turned out today, upward.
This really got me at Mohawk culture. I didn’t know I have Mohawk ancestry until I followed that branch of the family tree. I was scratching my head wondering what else I don’t know about my genealogy. Punks! 😆
Yikes! This was the hardest Saturday I’ve attempted in a long time. Oh wait, yesterday was Thursday so . . . . Way beyond a slog for me, like walking thru mud while wearing cement boots. I started looking up some of the more obscure trivia like the Dead Sea Mystic, the Japanese dish, the Ghanaian author and the 1965 film or book or whatever that was - just to get a decent start, but still made very little headway. Not much fun in that so I gave up and came here to see how badly I suffered in comparison. It is small consolation to at least see that others struggled too. I think everyone wants a challenge at the end of the week, but this was way too big a hill for me to climb.
Pro tip: If a woman asks you to bring her a KCUP, she's not looking for her bra.
I was walking by a funeral home the other day when a man standing outside asked AREYOUAWAKE participant? No, says I. It's NOTIMETODIE.
I'm not saying that our Thanksgiving crowd went a little heavy on the wine consumption, but when I added it up this morning, it seems like we drank OVERABARRELL.
Liked this a lot. Thanks, Willa Angel Chen Miller and Matthew Stock.
Tough with the bottom half easier than the top for me too. I finished in the NW where FELT, AYI, NO TIME TO DIE (I haven’t seen a Bond film since Casino Royale) and TOMB were WOEs and the clues for CROSSES, BUT, and PILS (really?) were not gimmes. Plus, (@Rex) at first I tried drive before TEE UP and vee before TWO. Tough corner.
This was a grind for me today, partly because of post-Thanksgiving wooze. I remember the melody for the Billie Eilish Bond theme, and kept singing it hoping that the title would come to me. "Kiss me once, kiss me twice..." (or words to that effect) but never could get far enough in the song for the title to reveal itself. Everything was gettable, but struggled all the way through. Ended with a mistake I couldn't find, figuring eventually that ED SENE was an unlikely name for an ancient mystic. Had CROSSEd for the XXX, and eventually saw that CROSSES worked better and voila. Finished in 48:33
Definitely in the challenging for a Friday category for me. The western side filled in easily but the eastern side, not so much.
Down at the bottom, I came to a dead stop after RECON as I’ve never heard of DAVE and Buster's. Post-solve I realized that I'd completely misinterpreted the clue for 62D although I came up with the correct answer. I was thinking how oddly it was worded if they meant SEA green or SEA blue but eventually saw that RED, YELLOW, and BLACK seas were what was meant. D'oh.
Why do I always think New Mexico's state capital is Albuquerque? Only having the SA___F_ in place got me to the obvious SANTA FE. Sure, Albuquerque is the largest city in NM, but that shouldn’t throw me off like it does.
The two trickiest clues, for PARKAS and NUCLEI held up the NE and having no idea about LUMIERE. My only connection to “Beauty and the Beast” is the fairy tale.
41D was easy for me. I have two footstools that my family always referred to as hassocks. They both have storage space under a lid so I recently looked up hassock to see if they all were storage items as well as footstools. It would appear from my web search that they aren’t. I don't know if there's a special term for the kind of footstools I have. Anybody?
Thanks, Willa and Matthew, for a Friday challenge on a day when I had the time to tackle it.
Enjoyed this one. Took a bit to get any traction up top, but once I did it (mostly) fell in that swoosh-swoosh fashion. My partner is from SANTAFE and I am a PUNK- never had a Mohawk, but rocked Liberty Spikes. I didn’t know a fair number of the names, but the crosses were fair. Clean solve.
This was probably the WORST Friday (which I USED to look forward to) ever. AYI Kwei Armah? If I wanted KINPARA I'd go to Japan. DAVE & Busters? A challenging Friday is one thing but this ... The clue for MACABRE was GHASTLY - & that's what I'd call this puzzle :(
Challenging and fun to figure out. A run-through of the NW's Acrosses and Downs got me TOMB, TSA, AKIN, and the incorrect "same," and then I hit a wall. Going on to the NE, I got traction through SUPINE x NUCLEI x CANBERRA, which brought me around in a clockwise creep-not-sweep back up to the ESSENE level. Then, a two-pronged attack on the (potential) NW Field of Doom. From below, erasing "same" and guessing FELTS helped, while on the right border, I managed to get TEEUP; I worked my way in from both flanks, ending at CUEUP x TIME. Satisfying to finish!
Favorite clue (me, too): Bore. Also good: Put on deck. Favorite answer moment: Is there an English word that ends in -BRE? Happy to know: PATON, ESSENE. Didn't know: DAVE, KINPIRA.
FELTing is somewhat common in knitting. You knit your garment much larger than the finished dimensions, then you wash it in hot water which shrinks the knitting into a tightly woven fabric. I recommend you sew the pieces together and then felt because sewing the now stiffened pieces together post-felting is quite a task.
Clue seemed to be asking for a number, which as you say, "none" is not. Maybe there is a way to salvage it so that it's formally OK, but it's tricky if not wrong.
I live in Santa Fe, so of course I dropped that right in, and thought I was off to an easy solve. Nope! The puzzle put up some resistance; appropriately chewy for Friday, IMO. Liked it.
This was indeed like a tough Saturday; quite frustrating although I did eventually get there just under 30 minutes. Never heard of DAVE and/or Buster, KINPIRA, AYI, PATON. And on top of that, the only city I could imagine that was probably high altitude, and fit into 1 down, was BOULDER. (note: it isn't the state capital.) When I realized it was SANTA FE I felt stupid because, not only have I stayed in the city, I even took a picture of the state capital building (google it... it's quite different!)
Oh yeah, the nameification was annoying. Only the other difficulties distracted me from it.
Easy-Medium for me. I started with TSA but couldn't get any of the Downs crossing it. Then the NW opened up with TOMB x BUT and HAT TIP.
I made a lucky guess filling in LUMIERE from LUM-. I didn't know the name but I remembered there was a talking candlestick or something in the movie, and I thought 38A would be a Lumière brothers pun.
DAVE was a WOE, and it left me wondering what kind of obscure arcade game character DAVE was.
TSA & ASIS --> SANTAFE, and that got m&e smooothly outta the chute, in this FriPuz rodeo. About average hardness, at our house. No-know nanosecond-burners included: KINPIRA. LUMIERE. AYI. KCUP. PATON.
staff weeject pick: AYI. Debut dude. And was the second weeject I tried to get, during my solvequest. Moved on elsewhere, mucho quickly. Got TWO, but only after tryin out VEE for a spell. HAD had a cute clue ... I assume it's like: HAD a cow = Bore a cow, etc? Primo weeject stacks in NE & SW, btw.
some fave stuff: MACABRE. OVERABARREL. AREYOUAWAKE & its clue. NUCLEI clue.
Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Miller darlin & Mr. Stock dude. And congratz to Ms. Miller on her 1/3 debut [along with Matthew & AYI].
Masked & Anonym007Us
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Hello ESSENE, my old friend. You've come to help my solve again.
As I mentioned in a reply above, I lived in Japan for two years, a year and a half in the Tokyo area and six months in Okinawa. One of the things I enjoyed most about that experience was the food---it was TO DIE for---but I didn't know KINPIRA. Had to wait for CROSSES to fill that in.
Quite the flap over FLAP among the commentariat, no?
My favorite part of the puzzle was the MACABRE WAX FIGURE there in the middle of the grid.
I had a much easier time in the NW because there really aren't many state capitals that are 7 letters. ID, MN, CO, WY, UT, NV are all not 7 letters. Similar for the Appalachian mountains... it's not going to be Trenton.
So I plugged in SANTAFE and got AREYOUAWAKE off that plus 1 or 2 more crosses.
Though maybe my willingness to do stuff like run through state capitals is indicative reason I can't get my time for hard puzzles under 30 min consistently? I know them but I don't have their lengths memorized without running through them 1 at a time.
Got Santa Fe and Crosses right off the bat so confidently entered “are you alive”, leading to a brick wall. The SE was brutal for me, needed help to finish. Parkas was an “oof” for me. Still enjoyed most of it.
PILS as a truncated form of Pilsner might look like some obnoxious cutesy invention, but it’s really not. Just a longstanding common bit of shorthand, found in all manner of respectable places (such as on the can or bottle itself if you pick up, say, a Paulaner Pils).
A crossword-related realization that recently hit me:
I have a superpower! It’s my only one, but it is genuine. And it is this:
When I’m watching “Jeopardy”, and there’s a category where all the answers begin with the same letter, I am a beast. I run the category with no hesitation. If I am with people and we are calling out answers, I bark those answers out before anyone else, and people look at me with new respect.
I have realized that crosswords are responsible for this superpower; every puzzle brings so much practice in this skill.
Mind you, it is a skill that’s useless IRL, that adds nothing to the quality of the world. But I don’t care. It is a superpower, and it’s mine!
Sorry, but I have to disagree with your comment on "down"; in Canada it is said regularly. Along with "where is my down parka?" when the cold weather hits.
Hi Nancy - don't want to "get you started", but what is the objection to "BORE" for "Had"? Straight substitution clue/answer: e.g., "She had 19 children" / "She bore 19 children". Now I'm totally with you on the Natick water filter/Japanese dish crossing. Guessed wrong with "E" at that instead of "I".
I'm impressed anyone could solve this without looking up some words. I needed 5 or so. With those I was able to solve some of twisted crosses and then the rest made sense.
I'm an elementary school librarian so two clues really ticked me off. "Flap" isn't a very common feature of a children's book (I should know) and The Arm of the Starfish isn't the sequel to A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door is. Starfish is L'Engle's is the next book she wrote. It is related to Wrinkle, but not the sequel.
Challenging today thanks to bouncing off that NW for a good chunk of time. AMP and SUPINE gave me my start in the NE and it was a steady clockwise solve from there for a 33 minute finish.
Before I correctly backfilled the NW I had a CRIB/TOMB write over. Even though the C was in the wrong place it helped me to recognize SCRATCHTHAT once I had 1D and 2D in place.
Southside Johnny Not criticizing your point. But chacocyanite is a type of ore so it is NOT ppp. Clue ending in ite and three letter answer often = ORE.
About the alleged redundancy of gather together. As the hymn shows it in the language. There is a tendency to equate language to math or some other completely logical process. No language is ever completely logical or consistent. There is poetry in that expression and nothing whatsoever wrong with it!
Which still makes it a pretty poor clue. There’s no chemistry going on in atomic nuclei, let alone chemistry research (chemical reactions involve the electrons not the nuclei; nuclear decay is not the subject of "chemistry research", rather it’s part of particle ) physics.
Willa Angel Chen Miller and Matthew Stock: are you trolling us?
Names, names. Namely one. Riprock is fine with names, so long as he knows them. Essene, never heard of it; therefore, what's it doing in my game. For this neophyte, first collision.
Srsly, this game was not well edited, nothing to do with the name. Here I was beginning to feel a twinge of empathy for Joel Fagliano who gets short shrift, no love, round here. Joel, we need to talk.. about the lack of consistency, the flailing in difficultly from Friday to Friday, and all the other days. Do you have a team playing these games outside your immediate circle of hard core and blood relations who give you ready feedback before presstime? The answer must be no.. or, if so, then you're giving them The Hand.
Also, The Rex, can we talk. "very challenging" ? And next: "very very challenging"? That's like upping the DEFCON 2 to "very 2." Time to cough up the 1, guv. Relevant section, "hard.. for a Friday (don't drop that context, lest any of the hard core snigger)".. "for the Times, lately (understood)." Lately = be reasonable, last ~15 yrs. You can do it. Else, what is "hard," given reasonable delimitation. "Very" also, The Rex, did you solve this cleanly?
Yess, your reception, spot on, all cylinders. Your balks, this occasion, including the Japanese dish, mine as well I believe (barring SANTA FE which I knew and ESSENE which I did not). Grooved to a number of the clues left off your review, but one area critically hamstrung the entirety:
The issue here was ambiguity of reasonable, proximate answers. Two or more possibilities which might satisfy a lone clue is reasonable. Three or four of these proximate clues with several reasonable answers and which straddle or cross an arcane name, for example, and you've relegated us to the rubber room. Why do that.
The hard section was clearly the diagonal tube of letters from FELTS, 29a, extending southeasterly to PEER, 52a. The possibilities: mARS or TARS at 47a. trIm (which worked with mARs), EdIT, omIT, or even crIT (which was desperate) at 35d. I read [Script] to be a working one and my speculation to be annotations to the script. gEaR (for the longest) or PEER at 52a. Gear reviews are everywhere, and no, I did not know the [podcast], 48d (though, in hindsight.. everything makes sense in hindsight, kinda..), and speculated that SaRIAL might be a portmanteau. FLAg (the paper variety) at 39a seemed reasonable in a children's pop-up book.
And, as mentioned, no inkling about 34a, could not even decide if the reference was contemporary or ancient.
Then, STEW MEAT, 24d, which no one has addressed: what the hell is that? That's not a thing. Okay.. so a dictionary consult suggests otherwise, the lone definition: "tough meat that needs stewing to be edible," which does not come within 500 miles of the clue. Anyone care to refute this? I dropped that in there, earlyish, but later changed it to "Seal MEAT," which fits the clue much better. STEW MEAT seems something the contrivers shoehorned in the space to make it work and describes exactly how I felt about the game.
Did not know LUMIERE, 26d, but guessed it correctly, and completed ___FIGURE at 38a and the rest of the game eons before I walked into this morass. It came down to 6 to 8 cells in the aforementioned space over which there were too many reasonable answers. Again, not well edited.
In the end, I guessed the X in 35d (after a lame mental run of the letters), even before I saw EXIT, and that uncorked it.
Big thumbs down.
PS: Dropping SANTA FE, 1d, immediately set me up to suss all of the NW and N. If you didn't know that, it suggests you've not visited the city (the guy at grocery, for one, volunteered, "we're the highest Trader Joe's in the country!"). And if that's the case, put it on your bucket list: charming small city with good food, friendly people and shedloads to do in the area.
Secondly, people, if you are "Googling" or checking the bookshelf or ringing your Aunt Berta for assistance, the summation of this game is not "challenging," it's "impossible." Rip is eyeing Conrad. Not judging, RIPROCK IS NOT JUDGING, Rip doesn't do that. I'm just sayin'..
Also, what I did.. going cross-eyed.. hashing/rearranging/banging head/more rearranging...arrrrrGHH. That. Mindless, yes. (And in the end, in this case, anticlimactic and super unsatisfying.) But, you will never convince me that that was more mindless than Wordle.
We drove up to Madrid, New Mexico (outside of SANTA FE) for our Black Friday adventure. It was in the movie Wild Hogs. It's a mining ghost town reborn as an artsy-fartsy hippy enclave and is said to be the inspiration for Disneyland after Walt Disney visited its Christmas light extravaganza in 1930.
I survived my food coma to look up this short list of properly Friday proper nouns on an otherwise amusing offering.
Thank you for noting this…it definitely bothered me too. (And not just because Starfish—the first of the branching O’Keefe series—was probably my favorite L’Engle book back when.)
If I had to guess, I’d say editorial checking of this clue was confined to a quick riffle through a related Wikipedia page or two, which could certainly lead to the misapprehension.
My first thought for the “No” question was ARE YOU deAd. Too short, of course, but almost a malapop to get DIE in the grid just under it.
Hand UP for resisting TEE UP right after CUE UP.
Another hand up for abandoning the NW early. Planning a trip to Australia next year so CANBERRA came readily to mind and helped me get going.
Sadly, my research into where in Australia you can see brumbies (wild horses) led to reports of aerial “culling” of thousands of them in the Kosciuszko national park and elsewhere. Terrorizing the animals with helicopters and then shooting them, the carcasses left to rot. This short video about brumbies was just posted on YouTube.
Yet another example of a puzzle sending me down a rabbit hole. Hope for a cheerier one tomorrow.
Pils is just the name of the Czech town where the style originated. So definitely not cutesy. Kinda like how old timers where I'm from would order a "hamburg". Which kinda makes more sense than a "burger" if you think about it
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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The chemistry clue is referring to atomic nuclei, not cellular nuclei.
Challenging, which isn't bad per se, but also a complete slog. Too many overwrites and too many WOEs to catalog, too many proper nouns, too many trips to Google.com.
I disagree that "are you awake" can't possibly be answered "no". Can't be answered *truthly* with no, but I've definitely used that to signify wanted to sleep and not start a conversation.
For reference, the NUCLEI answer is referencing to the atomic nucleus consisting of the protons and neutrons, not the biological nucleus of a cell
I also don't think this clue is accurate: people can absolutely respond to questions while asleep. AREYOUALIVE, which is what I had for a good while, is an entirely different matter.
Overall I found the puzzle Easy-Medium - most of the crucial longs came in without too much work - though it took me an embarrassingly long time to draw on SANTAFE given how much time I've spent there over the years.
The Mohawk/Punk clue is real cringe.
I totally agree. I had that very thought while writing the answer.
Is it possible to gather apart?
Also TARS/MARS was a rough error that totaled slowed me down in the middle.
Ditto Rex’s complaints about obscurity. Also the correct answer to the question that can’t be answered truthfully with “no” is “can you hear me.”
It took three people to construct this?
I have spent weeks in Japan, eaten root vegetables there, and somehow I have never heard of KINPIRA before today. Good to know, I suppose.
The NW was much less challenging once I got 1D. If you’ve been to SANTAFE, you’ll always remember the elevation!
This one just felt clunky and cumbersome. It was almost impossible to get any rhythm going. I felt like Frankenstein wandering around the grid and bumping into stuff I didn’t recognize. So, I’m going to be in the “It was a slog” club today.
Kudos to Rex for pointing out the inelegance of cluing regular words as PPP when the grid is already loaded with entries like ESSENE, AYI, LUMIERE, Chalcocyanite, KINPIRA, and the like. This one would be tough even on a Saturday.
Many of the same problems as OFL, starting with problems in the NW. Confidently began writing in DENVER but had some boxes left over and then saw TSA which meant no Denver anyway. Finished in the NW and learned something about SANTAFE.
We just went to a delightful stage production of Beauty and the Beast, so LUMIERE
Huge struggle, but in the end I thought this was an amazingly beautiful puzzle.
I remembered Paton from Cry, The Beloved Country, read during my college years, so anti-apartheid clicked. And I remembered Arm of the Starfish from something. No Time To Die was the title of the movie too, and it was a modest hit. I like Japanese food but never heard of Kinpira: filled it in from the crosses. Overall a proper Saturday, I thought.
I liked this a lot. The redundancy of GATHER TOGETHER clue irritated me a wee bit. Gather means 'bring together' and is sufficient. @Rex. I think the "children's" part of the clue was BUT a misdirection. Any jacketed book has FLAPs. This was a lovely puzzle.
A satisfying, fun, and most lovely pot-pourri today:
• Tough, satisfying-to-complete areas that required a good number of return-to’s.
• “Whee!” splat-fill areas.
• Exquisite wordplay, as in [Chemistry research centers?] for NUCLEI, [One whose hard work iis showing?] for REALTOR, and [They might be down for a ski trip] for PARKAS.
• Spark in the NW and SE stacks, where five of the six answers are NYT debut answers.
• A riddle! An actual riddle! – [Question that can’t possibly be answered “no”].
And for me:
• A simply gorgeous word I don’t remember ever seeing before: KINPIRA.
• Answers I loved (SCRATCH THAT, MACABRE, CASE IN POINT, NAME ONE).
• The rhyming sing-song abutting pair of SALARY ad CALORIE.
Matthew, I always know I’m in for a first-rate experience when I see your name atop a puzzle, and Angel, congratulations on your debut – may it be the first of many! Thank you both for a splendid outing today!
Same NW difficulties as OFL, especially when Denver had to be wrong for 1D. TSA eliminated that one. Also, too short. Oops. Ping ponged around and landed on SANTAFE last--learned something there.
We just saw a delightful stage production of Beauty and the Beast so LUMIERE was a gimme, thank goodness. KINPIRA though--really? Yikes. See also AYI. I've probably done thousands of crosswords and never seen either one. Live and learn.
ESSENE is an old friend, but the wording of the clue had me looking for a name. Sorry to take so long to remember you ESSENE. Nice to see you again.
All in all an appropriate Friday solve. Well done, WA CM and MS. A Worthy Adversary with Challenging Moments that Meant Satisfaction upon completion. Thanks for all the fun.
Not a fan of CUEUP closely followed by TEEUP
Had to cheat in the middle. Had COMMUNE instead of COMPILE, then tried COMBINE, then started to look things up. The clue for PARKAS is misleading, I thought, because "down" isn't an adjective. Nobody says, "I have a down parka."
Denver is famously known as the mile-high city
Iris Dement made the blog today! Wonderful album.
Way too many proper nouns that were completely outside of my wheelhouse. After my first pass the only two answers I had confidently were TSA and "ZERO" for number of states who's names begin with B. NONE is not a number. So that screwed me for a while. I also ran through the Rocky Mountain state capitals, but for some reason thought the capital of New Mexico was Las Cruces. Ugh. Not a good solve for me at all.
Tough Friday. Not sure why FLAP is part of a children's book and happy to see I'm not alone in that. FLAP, KINPIRA and AYI had to come entirely from crosses.
Hand up for 'do you hear me' and 'are you alive' before 'are you awake'.
I hate to sound like the old lady that I am, but CUE UP followed shortly by TEE UP seems pretty lazy.
It seems that the more comments there are about the names, the more we see them in the puzzle. Ugh
What bothered me the most about this puzzle is that Lumiere and Cogsworth are NOT compatriots. Famously, Cogsworth is a stereotypical uptight BRITISH butler while Lumiere is his carefree FRENCH counterpart.
Hey All !
Unsure how HAD=Bore. Anyone?
AYI, AY YI YI. Thankfully gotten from CROSSES.
Have heard of Tempura, but KINPIRA a new one here.
Puz turned out not super difficult, but thought-provoking, if you will. Enough push back, but I was able to power through to victory! (How's that for hyperbole?)
We'll, if you're frantically shopping today, good luck. I once went to Sears on a Black Friday for a long wool coat that was many dollars off at 9:00am. Hardly anyone in the store! And they still had coats. So, advice would be go shopping later in the day.
Happy Day After Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Leftovers Day!
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Very similar experience to OFL. Also m/TARS for awhile even though it had to be EXIT... but the bottom was so easy! CASE IN POINT off a coupla letters, same for OVER A BARREL. Whooshy. Then back up trying to crack the NW, sigh. Longer than usual for a Friday!
I had the exact same experience as Rex today in every way, even the initial TWO or VEE? I did get LUMIERE but more because I speak French and it’s French for light. Glad it was not the other way around because Cogsworth would have been a lot harder. But PATON, KINPARA and even CANBERRA were so hard for me. Didn’t even remember NO TIME TO DIE even though I did know it was a Billie Eilish song. Anyhoo, glad you are back!! Happy Tday!
Am I the only one slightly peeved by CUE UP / TEE UP?
Same difficulties as Rex in the NW, but also huge problems in the SE. i love Japanese food and have traveled to Japan, and have never heard of KINPIRA. Well now I know I guess. CASEINPOINT would simply not come to me even though I had several crosses, but not knowing KINPIRA, I had —-PuRA, and having no idea about DAVE as clued, thought it could be DoVE or DiVE. And, dumb mistake, I had LEA instead of SEA. So, a bit of a disaster there.
You must not have young kids (or grandkids, as I do). Lift-the-flap books are a sort of peekaboo for tots.
After solving, I felt that I had figured out some knotty clues and had done good to solve it. But had Rex whooshed through it? Yippee! No he didn't.
It was hard for me. 17 mystery clue/entries, close to my limit of 20.
Not much sparkle, but I liked LUMIERE being referred to as a wax figure. He's a candle.
Being OVERABARRELL means being helpless. It doesn't fit the clue very well.
Oops. Case of premature publication.
Redundant, yes, but it reminded me of an old hymn we used to sing at Thanksgiving, and thus felt appropriate to the season: “We gather together to ask the Lord’s blessing . . .”
Perhaps the "flap" in children's books refers to the ridiculous cretin campaign to ban all sorts of books from school libraries.
Past tense of "bear", a stretch I know.
No Roos today, you're slipping.
In the sense of gave birth. Bore a childr equals had a child.
🙋🏻♀️
Lift-the-flap books are very common, and huge favorites with the toddler set, even after they rip the flap, which they always do 😂
At this point you can’t call anything cringe anymore, even saying the word “cringe” itself has become cringe (blah) from overuse
😂
This puzzle would have been easy, with some of that whoosh Rex goes on about, except for two things. Most important, I misread the clue at 1-D, and was looking for a state whose capital was at 7,200 feet, rather than for the city in question. In case you are interested, the only states that fit (or at least the only high-altitude states -- Vermont is too low, despite the Green Mountains) are Wyoming and Montana.
The second problem is that, as an early octogenarian, I know many of the stories made into Disney feature films from their original (or at least earlier) sources, rather than from the cartoons. And since my youngest child just turned 48, I have not seen any of the newer cartoons. So I was completely stumped about Cogsworth and LUMIERE. But that was not as serious a problem, as it did not involve putting in incorrect crosses.
I'm not sure about FLAP either -- does it just mean the one of the flaps on a dust jacket? But adult books have those as well.
As for 43-D, I've eaten a lot of Japanese food, but never heard of KINPIRA. I had katsura for a long time, though I wasn't sure about the simmering; I did know it wasn't tempura, at least.
All in all, a nicely challenging puzzle.
Hated the "simply divine" clue for saintly. A saint may aspire to godliness but is fully human, never divine....
I agree that the bore a child interpretation is probably the best one so far, I was trying to lawyer myself into believing that if someone “bore the burden” they had a burden to bear.
“Bore” defeated me. All I could imagine was HAm, but that made the Bond title ungettable.
Here's the hymn in question.
too many proper nouns i didn't know. what a slog.
A proper Saturday on Friday?
I found the SE to be hardest, though when I look at it now, the answers don't seem so bad, with one exception. KINPIRA? It's a side dish. Why would anyone know that? AYI, though in the northwest, too. I kept thinking ATTUNED had to be wrong. ANTI was slow to come. In grammatical analysis, the 'head' is a noun. Using 'head' to mean a prefix isn't the greatest cluing. I agree with a previous commenter that SAINTLY is not divine. That's a bad answer for that clue, or a bad clue for that answer.
I rather enjoyed this one. Yes it was part Friday and part Saturday. Call it a Friday and a half but not over the top. I too struggled getting started in the NW and actually finished there. But once I gave up and moved to the NE I was able to navigate back counter clockwise and again struggled a bit to wrap it up until I dropped Santa Fe in which in retrospect should have been a gimme.
What I liked best: crossing of LUMIERE and WAXFIGURE and placement of SALARY and CALORIE. Also - have no recollection of seeing MACABRE in the puzzle any time recently. What I liked least - never heard of KINPIRA or CANBERRA but I offer a HATTIP to dropping them in almost along side one another. Sorry but never heard of Alan PATON and I am way behind on my Ghanaian literature. Also don’t think the use of ATTUNED as a verb is very common. Could have clued this differently.
Cant believe ofl didnt mention the two up answers very near each other and in sone instances mean the same thing
If I asked you to describe my reaction to this puzzle, you nailed it.
DNF at the S in CROSSED and ESSENE. NE very hard. Rest pretty easy as Rex said.
Okay, okay, so I looked up NO TIME TO DIE. I hoped it would spring this bear of a puzzle open for me and it did. But just barely.
I had ARE YOU AWAKE in first, confirmed by AKIN -- but after that the entire top was a mystery. I didn't know AYI; I think CROSSES is very badly clued (what is "in a way" doing there?) and don't get me started on "bore" = HAD. Just. Don't.
What's the vowel? I have BRITA/KINPIRA, but it could be BRETA/KENPIRA or anything at all. I forgot to look. Guess I don't care so much.
FELTS as a verb?
My biggest wrong answer stumbling block was MOT for the bit of wit. I had it in mind (bore it in mind?) and I couldn't shake it. It took me forever to come up with PUN.
This was Saturday-tough for me and not in such a fun way either. Only my stubbornness propelled me onward -- and, as it turned out today, upward.
This really got me at Mohawk culture. I didn’t know I have Mohawk ancestry until I followed that branch of the family tree. I was scratching my head wondering what else I don’t know about my genealogy. Punks! 😆
I enjoyed this puzzle a lot.
Yikes! This was the hardest Saturday I’ve attempted in a long time. Oh wait, yesterday was Thursday so . . . . Way beyond a slog for me, like walking thru mud while wearing cement boots. I started looking up some of the more obscure trivia like the Dead Sea Mystic, the Japanese dish, the Ghanaian author and the 1965 film or book or whatever that was - just to get a decent start, but still made very little headway. Not much fun in that so I gave up and came here to see how badly I suffered in comparison. It is small consolation to at least see that others struggled too. I think everyone wants a challenge at the end of the week, but this was way too big a hill for me to climb.
Pro tip: If a woman asks you to bring her a KCUP, she's not looking for her bra.
I was walking by a funeral home the other day when a man standing outside asked AREYOUAWAKE participant? No, says I. It's NOTIMETODIE.
I'm not saying that our Thanksgiving crowd went a little heavy on the wine consumption, but when I added it up this morning, it seems like we drank OVERABARRELL.
Liked this a lot. Thanks, Willa Angel Chen Miller and Matthew Stock.
Tough with the bottom half easier than the top for me too. I finished in the NW where FELT, AYI, NO TIME TO DIE (I haven’t seen a Bond film since Casino Royale) and TOMB were WOEs and the clues for CROSSES, BUT, and PILS (really?) were not gimmes. Plus, (@Rex) at first I tried drive before TEE UP and vee before TWO. Tough corner.
LUMIERE, PATON, ARM, and KINPIRA were also WOEs.
Liked it more than @Rex did.
This was a grind for me today, partly because of post-Thanksgiving wooze. I remember the melody for the Billie Eilish Bond theme, and kept singing it hoping that the title would come to me. "Kiss me once, kiss me twice..." (or words to that effect) but never could get far enough in the song for the title to reveal itself. Everything was gettable, but struggled all the way through. Ended with a mistake I couldn't find, figuring eventually that ED SENE was an unlikely name for an ancient mystic. Had CROSSEd for the XXX, and eventually saw that CROSSES worked better and voila. Finished in 48:33
Definitely in the challenging for a Friday category for me. The western side filled in easily but the eastern side, not so much.
Down at the bottom, I came to a dead stop after RECON as I’ve never heard of DAVE and Buster's. Post-solve I realized that I'd completely misinterpreted the clue for 62D although I came up with the correct answer. I was thinking how oddly it was worded if they meant SEA green or SEA blue but eventually saw that RED, YELLOW, and BLACK seas were what was meant. D'oh.
Why do I always think New Mexico's state capital is Albuquerque? Only having the SA___F_ in place got me to the obvious SANTA FE. Sure, Albuquerque is the largest city in NM, but that shouldn’t throw me off like it does.
The two trickiest clues, for PARKAS and NUCLEI held up the NE and having no idea about LUMIERE. My only connection to “Beauty and the Beast” is the fairy tale.
41D was easy for me. I have two footstools that my family always referred to as hassocks. They both have storage space under a lid so I recently looked up hassock to see if they all were storage items as well as footstools. It would appear from my web search that they aren’t. I don't know if there's a special term for the kind of footstools I have. Anybody?
Thanks, Willa and Matthew, for a Friday challenge on a day when I had the time to tackle it.
Didn’t mind the puzzle, except for “None”. “None” is not a number. “Zero” is the number.
Thought for sure Rex would smash CUE UP and TEE UP, chads dangling from the same across (1A!) answer. Be more better.
Remember the COVID lockdown?
Enjoyed this one. Took a bit to get any traction up top, but once I did it (mostly) fell in that swoosh-swoosh fashion. My partner is from SANTAFE and I am a PUNK- never had a Mohawk, but rocked Liberty Spikes. I didn’t know a fair number of the names, but the crosses were fair. Clean solve.
A lip reader might disagree.
This was probably the WORST Friday (which I USED to look forward to) ever.
AYI Kwei Armah?
If I wanted KINPARA I'd go to Japan.
DAVE & Busters?
A challenging Friday is one thing but this ...
The clue for MACABRE was GHASTLY - & that's what I'd call this puzzle :(
Yes, agree FELTS was cringeworthy.
Guess I was lucky, seemed simple to me.
PUNK’s not dead! 👍
Challenging and fun to figure out. A run-through of the NW's Acrosses and Downs got me TOMB, TSA, AKIN, and the incorrect "same," and then I hit a wall. Going on to the NE, I got traction through SUPINE x NUCLEI x CANBERRA, which brought me around in a clockwise creep-not-sweep back up to the ESSENE level. Then, a two-pronged attack on the (potential) NW Field of Doom. From below, erasing "same" and guessing FELTS helped, while on the right border, I managed to get TEEUP; I worked my way in from both flanks, ending at CUEUP x TIME. Satisfying to finish!
Favorite clue (me, too): Bore. Also good: Put on deck. Favorite answer moment: Is there an English word that ends in -BRE? Happy to know: PATON, ESSENE. Didn't know: DAVE, KINPIRA.
FELTing is somewhat common in knitting. You knit your garment much larger than the finished dimensions, then you wash it in hot water which shrinks the knitting into a tightly woven fabric. I recommend you sew the pieces together and then felt because sewing the now stiffened pieces together post-felting is quite a task.
Clue seemed to be asking for a number, which as you say, "none" is not. Maybe there is a way to salvage it so that it's formally OK, but it's tricky if not wrong.
Same! It added several minutes to my solve because I couldn’t imagine two UPs in such close proximity.
Not sure about OVERABARREL. Someone who's "over a barrel" is already IN big trouble, not just "facing" it. Might have clued that one differently.
I live in Santa Fe, so of course I dropped that right in, and thought I was off to an easy solve. Nope! The puzzle put up some resistance; appropriately chewy for Friday, IMO. Liked it.
TEE UP and CUE UP? Rex has taught me to notice this and not be pleased. Surprised you didn't mention it!
This was indeed like a tough Saturday; quite frustrating although I did eventually get there just under 30 minutes. Never heard of DAVE and/or Buster, KINPIRA, AYI, PATON. And on top of that, the only city I could imagine that was probably high altitude, and fit into 1 down, was BOULDER. (note: it isn't the state capital.) When I realized it was SANTA FE I felt stupid because, not only have I stayed in the city, I even took a picture of the state capital building (google it... it's quite different!)
Oh yeah, the nameification was annoying. Only the other difficulties distracted me from it.
I lived in Japan for two years and I didn't know KINPIRA.
Easy-Medium for me. I started with TSA but couldn't get any of the Downs crossing it. Then the NW opened up with TOMB x BUT and HAT TIP.
I made a lucky guess filling in LUMIERE from LUM-. I didn't know the name but I remembered there was a talking candlestick or something in the movie, and I thought 38A would be a Lumière brothers pun.
DAVE was a WOE, and it left me wondering what kind of obscure arcade game character DAVE was.
TSA & ASIS --> SANTAFE, and that got m&e smooothly outta the chute, in this FriPuz rodeo.
About average hardness, at our house.
No-know nanosecond-burners included: KINPIRA. LUMIERE. AYI. KCUP. PATON.
staff weeject pick: AYI. Debut dude. And was the second weeject I tried to get, during my solvequest. Moved on elsewhere, mucho quickly. Got TWO, but only after tryin out VEE for a spell. HAD had a cute clue ... I assume it's like: HAD a cow = Bore a cow, etc?
Primo weeject stacks in NE & SW, btw.
some fave stuff: MACABRE. OVERABARREL. AREYOUAWAKE & its clue. NUCLEI clue.
Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Miller darlin & Mr. Stock dude. And congratz to Ms. Miller on her 1/3 debut [along with Matthew & AYI].
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no spam. move on, spam hunters. just a runtpuz:
**gruntz**
Sid loved Nancy to death
Hello ESSENE, my old friend. You've come to help my solve again.
As I mentioned in a reply above, I lived in Japan for two years, a year and a half in the Tokyo area and six months in Okinawa. One of the things I enjoyed most about that experience was the food---it was TO DIE for---but I didn't know KINPIRA. Had to wait for CROSSES to fill that in.
Quite the flap over FLAP among the commentariat, no?
My favorite part of the puzzle was the MACABRE WAX FIGURE there in the middle of the grid.
Yup, my reaction exactly.
I had a much easier time in the NW because there really aren't many state capitals that are 7 letters. ID, MN, CO, WY, UT, NV are all not 7 letters. Similar for the Appalachian mountains... it's not going to be Trenton.
So I plugged in SANTAFE and got AREYOUAWAKE off that plus 1 or 2 more crosses.
Though maybe my willingness to do stuff like run through state capitals is indicative reason I can't get my time for hard puzzles under 30 min consistently? I know them but I don't have their lengths memorized without running through them 1 at a time.
Got Santa Fe and Crosses right off the bat so confidently entered “are you alive”, leading to a brick wall. The SE was brutal for me, needed help to finish. Parkas was an “oof” for me. Still enjoyed most of it.
PILS as a truncated form of Pilsner might look like some obnoxious cutesy invention, but it’s really not. Just a longstanding common bit of shorthand, found in all manner of respectable places (such as on the can or bottle itself if you pick up, say, a Paulaner Pils).
Seconded.
This old timer sang the hymn at Exeter and our class humorists sang, we gather together to forecast the weather.
The novel was made into a haunting musical (maybe opera) called Lost in the Stars. I continue to be surprised that it is not in repertoire.
A crossword-related realization that recently hit me:
I have a superpower! It’s my only one, but it is genuine. And it is this:
When I’m watching “Jeopardy”, and there’s a category where all the answers begin with the same letter, I am a beast. I run the category with no hesitation. If I am with people and we are calling out answers, I bark those answers out before anyone else, and people look at me with new respect.
I have realized that crosswords are responsible for this superpower; every puzzle brings so much practice in this skill.
Mind you, it is a skill that’s useless IRL, that adds nothing to the quality of the world. But I don’t care. It is a superpower, and it’s mine!
Sorry, but I have to disagree with your comment on "down"; in Canada it is said regularly. Along with "where is my down parka?" when the cold weather hits.
Which process means the clue makes no sense because felting makes the "fabric" stiff, not soft!
I've heard "PIL" much more than "PILS".
Hi Nancy - don't want to "get you started", but what is the objection to "BORE" for "Had"? Straight substitution clue/answer: e.g., "She had 19 children"
/ "She bore 19 children".
Now I'm totally with you on the Natick water filter/Japanese dish crossing. Guessed wrong with "E" at that instead of "I".
I'm impressed anyone could solve this without looking up some words. I needed 5 or so. With those I was able to solve some of twisted crosses and then the rest made sense.
I'm an elementary school librarian so two clues really ticked me off. "Flap" isn't a very common feature of a children's book (I should know) and The Arm of the Starfish isn't the sequel to A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door is. Starfish is L'Engle's is the next book she wrote. It is related to Wrinkle, but not the sequel.
Challenging today thanks to bouncing off that NW for a good chunk of time. AMP and SUPINE gave me my start in the NE and it was a steady clockwise solve from there for a 33 minute finish.
Before I correctly backfilled the NW I had a CRIB/TOMB write over. Even though the C was in the wrong place it helped me to recognize SCRATCHTHAT once I had 1D and 2D in place.
KINPIRA and AYI were strictly from the CROSSES.
Southside Johnny
Not criticizing your point. But chacocyanite is a type of ore so it is NOT ppp. Clue ending in ite and three letter answer often = ORE.
About the alleged redundancy of
gather together. As the hymn shows it in the language.
There is a tendency to equate language to math or some other completely logical process. No language is ever completely logical or consistent.
There is poetry in that expression and nothing whatsoever wrong with it!
About down parka
Bob Mills I agree with Anonymous
In the northeast we definitely say it!
Maybe people don’t in the southwest?
Which still makes it a pretty poor clue. There’s no chemistry going on in atomic nuclei, let alone chemistry research (chemical reactions involve the electrons not the nuclei; nuclear decay is not the subject of "chemistry research", rather it’s part of particle ) physics.
Also "bore" a resemblance.
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Willa Angel Chen Miller and Matthew Stock: are you trolling us?
Names, names. Namely one. Riprock is fine with names, so long as he knows them. Essene, never heard of it; therefore, what's it doing in my game. For this neophyte, first collision.
Srsly, this game was not well edited, nothing to do with the name. Here I was beginning to feel a twinge of empathy for Joel Fagliano who gets short shrift, no love, round here. Joel, we need to talk.. about the lack of consistency, the flailing in difficultly from Friday to Friday, and all the other days. Do you have a team playing these games outside your immediate circle of hard core and blood relations who give you ready feedback before presstime? The answer must be no.. or, if so, then you're giving them The Hand.
Also, The Rex, can we talk. "very challenging" ? And next: "very very challenging"? That's like upping the DEFCON 2 to "very 2." Time to cough up the 1, guv. Relevant section, "hard.. for a Friday (don't drop that context, lest any of the hard core snigger)".. "for the Times, lately (understood)." Lately = be reasonable, last ~15 yrs. You can do it. Else, what is "hard," given reasonable delimitation. "Very" also, The Rex, did you solve this cleanly?
Yess, your reception, spot on, all cylinders. Your balks, this occasion, including the Japanese dish, mine as well I believe (barring SANTA FE which I knew and ESSENE which I did not). Grooved to a number of the clues left off your review, but one area critically hamstrung the entirety:
The issue here was ambiguity of reasonable, proximate answers. Two or more possibilities which might satisfy a lone clue is reasonable. Three or four of these proximate clues with several reasonable answers and which straddle or cross an arcane name, for example, and you've relegated us to the rubber room. Why do that.
The hard section was clearly the diagonal tube of letters from FELTS, 29a, extending southeasterly to PEER, 52a. The possibilities: mARS or TARS at 47a. trIm (which worked with mARs), EdIT, omIT, or even crIT (which was desperate) at 35d. I read [Script] to be a working one and my speculation to be annotations to the script. gEaR (for the longest) or PEER at 52a. Gear reviews are everywhere, and no, I did not know the [podcast], 48d (though, in hindsight.. everything makes sense in hindsight, kinda..), and speculated that SaRIAL might be a portmanteau. FLAg (the paper variety) at 39a seemed reasonable in a children's pop-up book.
And, as mentioned, no inkling about 34a, could not even decide if the reference was contemporary or ancient.
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Then, STEW MEAT, 24d, which no one has addressed: what the hell is that? That's not a thing. Okay.. so a dictionary consult suggests otherwise, the lone definition: "tough meat that needs stewing to be edible," which does not come within 500 miles of the clue. Anyone care to refute this? I dropped that in there, earlyish, but later changed it to "Seal MEAT," which fits the clue much better. STEW MEAT seems something the contrivers shoehorned in the space to make it work and describes exactly how I felt about the game.
Did not know LUMIERE, 26d, but guessed it correctly, and completed ___FIGURE at 38a and the rest of the game eons before I walked into this morass. It came down to 6 to 8 cells in the aforementioned space over which there were too many reasonable answers. Again, not well edited.
In the end, I guessed the X in 35d (after a lame mental run of the letters), even before I saw EXIT, and that uncorked it.
Big thumbs down.
PS: Dropping SANTA FE, 1d, immediately set me up to suss all of the NW and N. If you didn't know that, it suggests you've not visited the city (the guy at grocery, for one, volunteered, "we're the highest Trader Joe's in the country!"). And if that's the case, put it on your bucket list: charming small city with good food, friendly people and shedloads to do in the area.
Secondly, people, if you are "Googling" or checking the bookshelf or ringing your Aunt Berta for assistance, the summation of this game is not "challenging," it's "impossible." Rip is eyeing Conrad. Not judging, RIPROCK IS NOT JUDGING, Rip doesn't do that. I'm just sayin'..
Also, what I did.. going cross-eyed.. hashing/rearranging/banging head/more rearranging...arrrrrGHH. That. Mindless, yes. (And in the end, in this case, anticlimactic and super unsatisfying.) But, you will never convince me that that was more mindless than Wordle.
Heh heh.. had to get that in there, Wordlers.
“None” is not a number. Zero is the number. Poorly worded clue.
Thirded (put -that- in an xword)
Yes, but they work for the same boss
Well, atoms are the subject of chemistry and their centers are nuclei. So clue is legit.
¿Estas despierta?
We drove up to Madrid, New Mexico (outside of SANTA FE) for our Black Friday adventure. It was in the movie Wild Hogs. It's a mining ghost town reborn as an artsy-fartsy hippy enclave and is said to be the inspiration for Disneyland after Walt Disney visited its Christmas light extravaganza in 1930.
I survived my food coma to look up this short list of properly Friday proper nouns on an otherwise amusing offering.
Propers: 6
Places: 2
Products: 4
Partials: 4
Foreignisms: 2
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 18 of 72 (25%)
Funnyisms: 6 😅
Tee-Hee: XXX, in {the other} way.
Uniclues:
1 Health care workers in dermatology.
2 Run a coat drive.
3 Train fare?
4 Traffics a turk.
1 SCRATCH THAT RNS
2 COMPILE PARKAS
3 SANTA FE SALARY
4 RETAILS OTTOMAN
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Those pains that could either be a terminal illness or gassiness. WISHY-WASHY ACHE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FELTing is the process by which felt is made. Had I heard that before? No, but I’m happy to learn and it is easily inferable - cringeworthy?? Hardly!
Also, BRITA
BRITA has been the most well known home water filter pitcher for 40 years, and was featured just today on the wonderful Judge John Hodgman podcast:)
Miss John Prine
So might a falling tree in the woods.
Thank you for noting this…it definitely bothered me too. (And not just because Starfish—the first of the branching O’Keefe series—was probably my favorite L’Engle book back when.)
If I had to guess, I’d say editorial checking of this clue was confined to a quick riffle through a related Wikipedia page or two, which could certainly lead to the misapprehension.
My first thought for the “No” question was ARE YOU deAd. Too short, of course, but almost a malapop to get DIE in the grid just under it.
Hand UP for resisting TEE UP right after CUE UP.
Another hand up for abandoning the NW early. Planning a trip to Australia next year so CANBERRA came readily to mind and helped me get going.
Sadly, my research into where in Australia you can see brumbies (wild horses) led to reports of aerial “culling” of thousands of them in the Kosciuszko national park and elsewhere. Terrorizing the animals with helicopters and then shooting them, the carcasses left to rot. This short video about brumbies was just posted on YouTube.
Yet another example of a puzzle sending me down a rabbit hole. Hope for a cheerier one tomorrow.
Can we just agree that this puzzle was bad, and the editing/cluing was just awful?
yeah, i also had ZERO, and i was pretty peeved to find that “NONE” is considered a number now
In The Acts of the Apostles, the word saints is used to refer to the early Christians.
If you say so. However, it literally made me cringe.
Pils is just the name of the Czech town where the style originated. So definitely not cutesy. Kinda like how old timers where I'm from would order a "hamburg". Which kinda makes more sense than a "burger" if you think about it
The overuse of “literally” is totally cringe :)
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