Phrase on ID tags / SAT 11-16-24 / Grinchy shout / Valentino competitor, for short / Ballerina who popularized "The Nutcracker" / Veet rival / 2002 movie with the tagline "Higher education just hit a new low" / Headquarters of Talofa Airways / All-Star point guard Young

Saturday, November 16, 2024

Constructor: Peter Gordon

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: TAOISEACH (31D: Prime minister of Ireland) —

The Taoiseach [...] is the head of government or prime minister of Ireland. The office is appointed by the President of Ireland upon the nomination of Dáil Éireann (the lower house of the Oireachtas, Ireland's national legislature) and the office-holder must retain the support of a majority in the Dáil to remain in office.

The Irish word taoiseach means "chief" or "leader", and was adopted in the 1937 Constitution of Ireland as the title of the "head of the Government or Prime Minister". It is the official title of the head of government in both English and Irish, and is not used for the prime ministers of other countries, who are instead referred to in Irish by the generic term príomh-aire. The phrase an Taoiseach is sometimes used in an otherwise English-language context, and means the same as "the Taoiseach". (wikipedia) [pronounced something like "TEA-sheck"]

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This felt hard, but hard in a way that Saturdays are supposed to be hard. As with yesterday's puzzle, this one was a bit too much of a trivia test for my liking, leaning heavily into proper nouns, many of which I'd simply never heard of in my life. Peter's puzzles often vex me on precisely this level. He created a "Celebrity" game app (focused on celebrity names) and writes a regular Newsflash crossword puzzle that is (by design) chock full o' names from very recent news headlines (lots of "who died this week?" and "who won a sporting event this week?," stuff like that). With "Celebrity," you expect celebrities. That's ... literally the name of the game. And with the Newsflash puzzles, again, you expect to get hit with proper nouns of recent noteworthiness. In my regular-ass NYTXW crossword, I have somewhat less patience for extensive name tests. There's also, if I'm being honest, some element of my simply not enjoying being reminded of how ignorant I am of soooooo many names. Today, there were two names, long names, that I'd never seen before in my life. And the second name ended up not being a name at all. Well, not a specific person's name, but the name of a political office. I assumed that TAOISEACH was the name of the current Irish prime minister, and I was like "OK, first of all, wow, and second of all ... is that a last name or a full name, first and last? And if it's first and last, dear lord, where does the first end and the last begin?" Literally every letter of that had to come from crosses. Totally in the dark, I was. The other name (an actual name) that was a ??? to me was TALLCHIEF (17A: Ballerina who popularized "The Nutcracker"). Turns out she's hugely famous, "America's first prima ballerina." So now you know that Irish politics and ballet are really not my thing. I can only have so many things. There are so many things. Today, the place names / activist names / sports names / movie names / brand names knocked me around quite a bit. Provided all the difficulty. Luckily, the non-name part of the puzzle was pretty easy, so it all averaged out to a very Saturday-like Saturday.


Even with stuff I did know, or had heard of, parsing problems pummeled me today. I wish I could show you all a real-time version of me trying to put together APIA, SAMOA (14A: Headquarters of Talofa Airways), LOL. I had A-IAS-MO- and still no idea. "That ... is no city or country that I know." Turns out it's both city *and* country. Oy. Nearly as funny was me trying to put JOAN OF ARC together. I had the JOAN part but thought I was simply looking for the last name of someone named "Joan." You know, a Didion or a Baez or a Rivers or a Cusack or something. But none of those people were alive in 1915, so they were out, and I couldn't think of other famous Joans ... again, oy. I forgot that JAZZ came in orchestra form, so while the JAZZ part was easy, the ORCHESTRAS part took work. Wanted TAKES ILL before FEELS ILL, which I should've known was wrong since TAKES CARE was already in the grid. I wanted COOKSETS but didn't trust the SETS part. I also didn't fully trust the COOK part because the "K" was coming from 33A: Holy book, in one spelling, which I wanted to be KORAN but which I thought couldn't possibly be KORAN because that's a standard English spelling, and the clue seemed to want some variant. Why else add "in one spelling?" That is not a typical cluing move for answers that have multiple acceptable spellings (as KORAN does). Unnecessarily confusing, that one. 


For all that TAOISEACH and TALLCHIEF flummoxed me, their sections were not the hard sections of the puzzle. TAOISEACH in particular just seemed to come together, somewhat quickly, rather magically, and I just had to trust that all those letters were correct. The area that put up the most resistance was, rather, the SW corner, where I finished up. This is partly Joan's fault, but also ... TAKES ILL before FEELS ILL (44A: Goes green, maybe), blanking on BELLA (42D: Model Hadid who wore a spray-on dress at a 2022 Paris fashion show), MCATS for ORALS (53A: Hurdles for would-be doctors), LEI for LOA (50D: Mahalo nui ___" (words from a grateful Hawaiian)), and ... well, no idea about ACT AS (55A: Represent). All this chaos had me doubting even the two answers down there that I had correct: LADLE and HAMMERED AT. Actually tested HAMMERED ON at one point. Another lesser but still significant slow spot was everything around SLACKERS, a movie I did not know existed until today (20A: 2002 movie with the tagline "Higher education just hit a new low"). I had this moment of "... SLACKERS? ... but that's ... that's from 1991, not 2002." Nope, I was thinking of the singular, SLACKER, Richard Linklater's first major film. SLACKERS, on the other hand ... as of this very second, I still have no idea. Hang on ... [searching] ... Huh. Yeah, I'm looking at the wikipedia page for this movie, and it is not registering at all. I know a lot of the actors (Jason Segel, Jason Schwartzman ... Mamie van Doren!!!?), but it looks like some ill-conceived American Pie rip-off:


It bombed at the box office, and the reviews—well, "unkind" would be a kind way of putting it. From wikipedia: 

On the review aggregator website Rotten TomatoesSlackers has overall "Rotten" rating of 10%, with an average score of 3.1 out of 10, based on 105 reviews. The site's critical consensus reads, "Another teen comedy with little on its mind but moving to the next gross-out gag, Slackers strains for laughs and features grating characters." On Metacritic, the film holds a 12/100 based on 28 critics, meaning “overwhelming dislike”. A few critics noted the dialogue as a positive, but not sufficiently good to warrant attention. // 

Philip French commented that "Slackers makes American Pie look like The Importance of Being Earnest." // 

Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times awarded the film a zero out of four stars and described the film as "a dirty movie. Not a sexy, erotic steamy or even smutty movie.

So ... a 20+-year-old movie that fell in the woods and made no sound but pfft. Is that fun? Again, I just don't understand turning the ordinary word SLACKERS into a proper noun here. It's Not Like Your Puzzle Is Hurting For Proper Nouns.


Additional notes:
  • 32A: Italian province on the Swiss border (COMO) — I know there's a Lake COMO. That is the only way I got this answer. More trivia.
  • 35A: Phrase on ID tags (FAMOUS POTATOES) — the highlight of the puzzle for me. This clue and the clue on SCHULZ (15D: Woodstock artist) I found absolutely delightful. "ID" is of course the state code for Idaho, which has "FAMOUS POTATOES" written on its license plates (or "tags"). And Charles SCHULZ is the creator of Peanuts, which featured Snoopy and his little yellow-bird sidekick, Woodstock.
  • 38A: Wordle score that elicits the message "Genius" (ONE) — good clue but man that "Genius" thing is stupid. "Ridiculously lucky" should be the message.
  • 39A: Pulse, e.g. (SEED) — argh, see I knew this was going to be the plant version of pulse, but I ... forgot what pulse was, exactly. In my head, it was something like a bean sprout. I had -EED and actually wanted WEED at one point. But pulses are just legumes. "When [legumes are] used as a dry grain for human consumption, the seeds are also called pulses" (wikipedia)
  • 40A: Veet rival (NAIR) — It was that or NEET, which is awfully close to Veet, spellingwise. Veet seems like a terrible name (like a product that removes hair solely (!) from your feet), but then so do NAIR and NEET so what do I know.
  • 34A: Does a job for a summer? (ADDS) — kind of awkward phrasing here, but that “summer” gag is old as the hills: “summer” = one who does sums, or ADDS things up.
  • 5D: Grinchy shout (BAH) — famously, iconically a Scroogey shout, so BAH to this clue.
  • 13D: Valentino competitor, for short (YSL) — me staring down Y-L here: "YUL Brenner?! But YUL Brynner and Rudolph Valentino weren't even working at the same time, how... oh." Valentino here is a luxury fashion house, as is YSL (Yves Saint Laurent).

See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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107 comments:

Conrad 5:24 AM  


Medium for a Saturday, easier than yesterday's puzzle for me. I ran into trouble in most of the same places as @Rex, although I did know Maria TALLCHIEF (17A). I sorta knew TAOISEACH (31), but I needed Sergey and Larry for the correct spelling.

Anonymous 6:00 AM  

Why is "Does a job for a summer?" ADDS?

Anonymous 6:02 AM  

Summer = One who sums, or ADDS.

Anonymous 6:05 AM  

Played like a Friday, even with the unknowns TALLCHIEF and TAOISEACH. I thought TALLCHIEF looked ridiculous and in my head it was a Russian name or something, that sounds nothing like "tall" and "chief". Turns out that's not the case.

As a non-American solver, I've been bombarded with OREIDA and IDAHO clues and I'm now well aware that Idaho is known for potatoes, but I didn't know about FAMOUS POTATOES on license plates before today. That clue was easily the best. At least I saw right through the "Woodstock" and "game" clues and I somehow remembered the name SCHULZ.

Like SLACKERS, OPAL also gets unnecessarily name-ified in the clue.

TAOISEACH looks very cryptic-friendly, not that I'd like to see it in a cryptic.

[Eastern way is followed by every prime minister of Ireland (9)]

Lewis 7:15 AM  

You would think that after 35 years of making Times puzzles (130), not to mention many others elsewhere, that Peter’s spark might start to dim. But no, that brain is agile, quick, funny, witty, and crammed with minutiae as ever. Amazing!

Today's puzzle is a beauty, a cleanly filled super-low-word-count grid (66), a design never seen before in the Times puzzle. One that includes a super-high 18 longs (answers of eight letters or more), which can bring color and interest to the puzzle, i.e., NEAR EARTH, ROPES INTO, KALAMAZOO, and SLACKERS. Those first two, by the way, are NYT answer debuts, bringing pop to the grid.

There were a pair of shorts (a pair of shorts – hah!) I liked as well. ROISTER, for one. I just love how that word looks and sounds, and all the images it brings with it. SCROD, for another, which is just fun to say, IMO.

I especially loved [Phrase on ID tags] for FAMOUS POTATOES (another debut), and [Woodstock artist] for SHULZ.

Put all this together, and there’s that Peter Gordon spark. I so greatly appreciate your mastery, Peter, and love uncovering your puzzles. Thank you for a splendid outing today!

Anonymous 7:32 AM  

FAMOUS POTATOES held me up for a while, but eventually the lightbulb turned on! Whew!

SouthsideJohnny 7:33 AM  

Wow, the grid is pretty much infested with fringe knowledge or out and out trivia. It makes your head spin - Talofa, pipperoo, rumspringa, the movie that Rex (and the entire free world) panned, the ballerina, . . . and all of that is north of the equator (no need to feel sorry for the southern hemisphere - it has the Irish Prime Minister to anchor it is as well).

This one is going to take some serious solving chops to tackle solo - if you are able to bring this one home unassisted, that would probably be like a Queen Bee Crosslandia situation.

Excellent misdirect on the Peanuts clue and a nice job with the Idaho POTATOES license plates as well.

Anonymous 7:33 AM  

P.S. Anyone remember Dan Quayle’s “potatoe” debacle?

Burghman 7:34 AM  

I think COMO was clued on Jeopardy Fri or Thursday as an Italian region and lake? Or am I confusing my trivia sources?

Naticked at ETRe / HEaD. Should have gone with the “e” in hindsight, but HEaD (“In my mind / head”) seemed right to me.

DrBB 7:45 AM  

A Natick festival! Everything I hate in a crossword conveniently packaged in a single puzzle! Yippee! Guess what? I do puzzles for the "Aha!" and "Oh, clever wordplay!" moments. What happens when you finally "get" a Natick, usually by alphabet-running or sheer guesswork? A great big fat "Meh," that's what. I managed to bull my way through to the solve on this one, but that was an awful lot of Meh to pay for one or two Aha's, like the Woodstock clue and... I can't even remember the other one. Mr Gordon apparently caters to people who actually like Meh, because this is the highest-density Meh puzzle in recent memory. Next time I see his name in the constructor slot I'll know not to bother.

Son Volt 7:50 AM  

Wonderful puzzle - maybe a little too strong on the trivia for a Saturday but it was perfect with the tough and crunchy stuff. I’ll agree with the big guy on SCHULZ and FAMOUS POTATOES - top notch. Know the JOAN OF ARC monument well - I recommend a visit to Riverside if you’re ever in the upper west side.

JOAN Jett of ARC

Had trouble parsing the HAMMERED AT x FEELS ILL cross - same with SAFARI HAT and COTENANT. I guess COOKSETS are a thing to scouts? Nice to learn TALLCHIEF - the crosses were fair. Had TRey > TRea > and finally TRAE.

Highly enjoyable Saturday morning solve. Lester Ruff’s segmented stumper is tricky today but not nearly as fun.

Did you ever hear about William BLAKE?

Chad Jeremy 7:54 AM  

35A: Masterful misdirection. Brilliant.

Anonymous 8:12 AM  

No hate for "USHES"? I am disappoint

REV 8:37 AM  

Had EPEE (Piece with a point) for OPED which tripped me up for a way too long.

Mad at myself for not getting FAMOUS POTATOES until i came here.

Rick Sacra 8:38 AM  

Actually only took me 20 minutes. But I felt totally stuck.... That Irish prime minister word, like @REX, was a total WOE! And that northwest corner with APIA and TALLCHIEF was brutal. I had no idea about those, but guessing somehow got me the magic music. Thanks, Peter, for a challenge (though I agree the proper nouns were on the heavy side!).

Anonymous 8:43 AM  

USHES crossing ASHES was either brilliant or annoying

kitshef 8:50 AM  

Touch Saturday. Good thing APIA SAMOA came to me from pattern recognition, or I might still be working on the NW. That, next to TALLCHIEF, crossed by OPAL, seems to cross the border into unfairland.

COlemanS before COOKSETS just felt so right.

And hand up for adoring the FAMOUS POTATOES clue.

Dr.A 8:55 AM  

So many proper nouns, all crossing each other! And the whole FAMOUS POTATOES thing eluded me until the bitter end, which is embarrassing. But the most annoying thing was ORALS. I am not sure what ORALS this refers to but it was not something I had to take and I am pretty sure it’s not something the current students have to take. An OSCE yes, the MCAT yes, the USMLE, yes. Lots of letters. No ORALS that I know of. When you don’t know the the one you SHOULD know it’s particularly irritating!And that’s my rant for the day!

mmorgan 8:56 AM  

Rarely have I encountered a puzzle so vastly out of my wheelhouse. Total fail. One of the few things I knew was TAOISEACH! SCHULZ and FAMOUS POTATOES were great once I got them. But most of this was… yikes!

Doctor L 9:00 AM  

TIL that VEET is the renamed NEET, and that one of their most infamous ads ran after the 2008 election, with the tag line “No More Bush”. The TV ads I remember from my 1960s childhood concentrated on the calves, of course.

I had QURAN in the grid for a long time before it wouldn’t work. And, living in Boston for years taught me that scrod was the least expensive whitefish available at the market that day, usually cod. The bumper sticker version was “I got scrod at Legal Seafoods”, at the time a super affordable fish place in Somerville before it became a high-price fine dining experience.

Joel Palmer 9:00 AM  

When your puzzle has "ushes" and "ashes"...weak, just weak.

Joel Palmer 9:01 AM  

See my comment. no such word as "ushes" or ush.or ushing. or ushed

Anonymous 9:07 AM  

SE and NW were simply impossible. Why is the NYT crossword devolving into a trivia slog every single day? OPAL/APIA/TALL crossing is just absurd. Maybe RILL is some crosswordese I'm supposed to somehow know, but I don't. TAOISEACH/TRAE/PETES/ETRE just ridiculous. The nail in the coffin for this horrific puzzle was USHES.

Anonymous 9:09 AM  

What is the meaning of “like three-balls” with the answer of RED?

Anonymous 9:11 AM  

The new king of the POC (plural of convenience) has to be TAUPES,. But there was a worse entry today. See Anon 8:12 AM.

Nancy 9:13 AM  

A perfectly good puzzle ruined by a "if you don't already know it, you can't possibly get it" triple-cross in the SE. I left the ET of PETES/TRAE/TAOISEACH blank -- right before I threw it against the wall. And to think -- I'd been enjoying it quite a bit.

Well not the USHES/ASHES crossing "verbs". If I were editor I would have changed the ASHES clue in SHORT ORDER. USHES is bad enough and doesn't need to be made worse.

But the big surprise for me -- and a good one, a marquee clue -- was when POTATOES came in, finally, finally! I had been grumpily wondering who was enough of a DORK to wear an ID tag that bragged about being a FAMOUS something-or-other. I was delighted when the ID turned out to stand for Idaho. A nifty trick.

But boy did this puzzle need some judicious editing in both the NE and the SE.

Anonymous 9:17 AM  

Ireland is also north of the equator... In fact it is on the same latitude as Newfoundland, considerably north of New York. (Maybe I'm missing a joke.)

Anonymous 9:29 AM  

Please bring back the crossword. This is a trivia test in grid format.

RooMonster 9:32 AM  

Hey All !
Went through puz determined not to run to good ole Goog, but ultimately fell to that very thing. That NW corner with 5000 names, just couldn't get traction. Although, I did have a D'oh! moment once I got DATA (after Googing TALLCHIEF.) What a DORK!

And still ended up with the Almost message. Dang. Turned out I had PETEr/rHED in the grid. I was wondering what rHED meant... Ah, well, took the DNF with Check Puzzle.

Toughie for me today (in case that wasn't clear 😁). Finished with the timer saying 53:23. Good thing I got up early today.

Great clue on FAMOUS POTATOES. Elicited a wry smile once I figured it out. Thanks for making me go through luggage tags and forms of identification.

Hope y'all had a good tough solve experience, for you sadists who like that sort of thing. Now I'll go read y'all, and probably run into someone who said it was the easiest puz they ever did. Har

Happy Saturday!

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Niallhost 9:40 AM  

I thought much of the cluing on this was brilliant. Woodstock artist, Something to wear while watching the game, Angel hair topper, Does a job for a summer, Phrase on ID tags etc. Exactly the kind of misdirect, and level of difficulty, that I want in my Saturdays. Found a foothold in each section and was able to fight my way to the right answers eventually. Ended in the NW not knowing who the activist Lee was, the word for a small stream, the capital of Samoa or the ballerina but was able to intuit my way to success by figuring that OPAL was the most likely name and then recognizing RILL as a river-ish word and - voila! Finished in 23:23, a little under my usual time.

pabloinnh 9:55 AM  

A Satyrdat that knows how to Saturday, wahoo! Absolute favorite clue in some time for FAMOUSPOTATOES, which required filling in the whole answer and then figuring out the clue, the backwards approach and a wonderful aha! Second place goes to SCHULZ, which I liked almost as much.

Found out today that a "pulse" is a SEED. How have I lived this long and never heard that? Also learned what a TAOISEACH is, other than a bad Scrabble rack. Knew PETES Dragon from somewhere, also SLACKERS and Maria TALLCHIEF, which if you have seen it is not a name you're likely to forget.

Only nits would be USHES and NEAREARTH, and they're not egregious and in no way spoil this fine effort.

Well done indeed, PG. Please accept the Prize Given for outstanding work on a Saturday, the Saturdazo!, and thanks for all the fun.


Gary Jugert 10:07 AM  

En mi opinión todas las patatas son famosas.

Another Saturday, another mean puzzle.

😫 USHES. ROISTER.

Propers: 10 (sigh)
Places: 3
Products: 5
Partials: 4
Foreignisms: 3
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 25 of 66 (38%)

Funnyisms: 4 🙂

Tee-Hee: [Flicks, as a butt.] [Like three-balls.]

Uniclues:

1 Those missing prayers.
2 How one serves soup in orbit.
3 Opinion of Charlie haters.

1 ALLAH SLACKERS
2 NEAR EARTH LADLE (~)
3 SCHULZ USELESS

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Love dangerously outside Braşov. SNOG DRAC.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 10:11 AM  

For the record, I knew Maria TALLCHIEF. Aside from all she did, she was one of Balanchine's wives. I had no idea about the model with the spray paint.

Millennial Who Complains 10:11 AM  

Made an account just to quickly rant about puzzles that 1) seem constructed solely around one or two clever clues but little payout anywhere else in the grid and 2) rely heavily on obscure trivia (Apia Samoa, Slackers), bizarre or antiquated words (roister, scrod, rill), or proper nouns crossing multiple times (looking at you, NE).

I note the millennial in my username. Puzzles like these alienate younger, not-as-American folks. I love crosswords with clever wordplay and more contemporary clues (that don’t need to rely on proper nouns or bizarre words!). This puzzle made me just open Rex and “cheat” halfway through because of my exhaustion with the clues and answers. Bleh. Thank you, Rex, for similarly griping about this constructor’s methods.

Rant over,
Millennial Who Complains (but nonetheless loves the NYT crossword)

Burghman 10:13 AM  

I took “doctors” to be the more general doctorate / PHD students, not MDs - I think orals are pretty common for them.

Burghman 10:13 AM  

The 3 ball on a pool table is red.

Beezer 10:14 AM  

He means the top and bottom half of the puzzle.

egsforbreakfast 10:14 AM  

One defends one's doctoral thesis with an ORAL exam.

Burghman 10:16 AM  

I think he meant the puzzle’s equator.

Fun_CFO 10:18 AM  

Pool/Billiards. 3 (solid) and 11 (striped) are red.

Beezer 10:18 AM  

Definitely. As I think about it, THESE days that gaffe would BE “small POTATOES”

EasyEd 10:21 AM  

I enjoyed this puzzle even tho it was pretty much a wipeout for me the first time around. I followed just about every misdirection down the rabbit hole. Weirdly enough, I got KALAMAZOO and SLACKERS early, then needed a lot of help with the trivia to finish. Wishful thinking that someday I’ll be able to handle this level of difficulty.

Beezer 10:30 AM  

Dr. A, I HEAR you. I don’t wish to offend the PhDs amongst us, but as a “Doctor of Jurisprudence” I’d really love to just know that Dr. Feelgood is a medical doctor who had to take the MCAT. Seems like it’s appropriate as a title within a university setting so that the students can differentiate but….

jberg 10:31 AM  

SCROD is just wrong; that's not what the word means. I've lived in Massachusetts since 1964, and everybody here agrees that it's a word used on restaurant menus for an indeterminate white-fleshed fish, normally either cod or haddock. The word was supposedly invented by a chef who did not know which fish would be fresher or cheaper when he went to the fish market, so he made up an indeterminate name.

Aside from that, I really disliked this puzzle. Too many little-known proper nouns, indeterminate orthography (i.e., KURAN), crossing USHES with ASHES (clued as a verb), the clue for LADLE, which is not size specific. And the rivalries between brands! I was very proud of myself for guessing NAIR, even though I have no idea what "veet" is. I finally had to look up the Disney movie, which revealed that the mystery colors were TAUPES, not mAUvES, and the rest fell into place.

And how does pulse = SEED?

The most enjoyable part ofo the puzzle for me was thinking the ID tag might be FAMOUS not Amos. Too bad it didn't fit; second most enjoyable was thinking the big band might be a kAZoORCHESTRA. St. Joan corrected me there.

egsforbreakfast 10:33 AM  

Mrs Egs and I were just yesterday reminiscing about our wedding and she asked "Egs, do you remember when you ASHEd my butt before you USHEd me?" "Yes I do, Mrs. Egs" I replied, "and then we got HAMMEREDAT the reception before getting SCROD."

I thought I knew my headgear, but I gotta ask, whatSAFARIHAT?

If someone sautés little green men, I guess he COOKSETS. Right?

I thought this was hard but fun, fun, fun. Thanks, Peter Gordon.

Beezer 10:36 AM  

Very well said rant. Haha…I’m a Boomer and have NEVER heard anyone say ROISTER or RILL (I knew RILL because it’s been used a lot in the past).

Carola 10:38 AM  

I had so much fun with this one, for me a perfect mix of knowing a few things right off (APIA SAMOA) and having to rack my brain over others (HASTY x HUSKIES), writing in treats like KALAMAZOO and ROISTER, learning something new (Maria TALLCHIEF and The Nutcracker, JOAN OF ARC in New York), and getting totally faked out (ID!). I "knew" TAOISEACH, as a festival of vowels between the T and CH and appreciated the spelling lesson. A couple of mistakes almost led to a DNF - I also went for mcats, and had atoll before SHOAL; thankfully was able to sort those out. Super Saturday,!

Fun_CFO 10:38 AM  

Back-to-back days of very poor editing. Saturday gets a little more leeway, but man, there’s some stuff today (all of it already mentioned in write-up/comments) that just shouldn’t get past the desk.

beverly c 10:42 AM  

Failed solve due to the glut of propers in the NW.

jberg 10:45 AM  

...
I love your rocks and RILLs,
Thy woods and templed hills,
My heart with rapture thrills
Like that above.

Beezer 10:45 AM  

Well, I’d like to say I enjoyed this puzzle but today, I did not…the clever wordplay of SOME of the puzzle was far outweighed by many of the things people (including Rex) have brought up. Unlike Nancy I didn’t throw the puzzle against the wall (well…I might break my iPad!), but became bored/frustrated enough to cheat and just finish it out.
I DO like to learn something from the puzzle every day, and today I learned about MARIATALLCHIEF. Very nice that NYC has a statue of JOANOFARC, but pretty sure JOAN’s statue can be seen all over Europe. Kind of sad to me that THAT was the FIRST statue of a woman in NYC.

Tina 10:49 AM  

Agreed. Hate puzzles that try to stump you with esoterica and names that very few would know and you cant intuit or back into,

Tina 10:51 AM  

I thought the hat was SALAMI. Even googled it and it’s a real thing.

Anonymous 10:52 AM  

Couldn’t agree more! The fun parts, potatoes, etc, were definitely fun, but dragged down by SO much uninspiring trivia.

Anonymous 10:53 AM  

Where is the Joan of Arc? Long time East Villager now moved to Convent Ave (and loving it)

Photomatte 10:54 AM  

Did anyone else do the Mini Puzzle today? I take issue with the clue/answer for 5 Across (California slang). The answer was HELLA and I gotta say no, that's not California slang. It's from Massachusetts

Anonymous 10:55 AM  

Unpleasant puzzle. Way too much trivia.

jberg 10:58 AM  

I did know TAOISEACH, and Maria TALLCHIEF was still dancing by the time I was old enough to read Time magazine, so a few crosses were enough for her. I was pretty sure that airline was in SAMOA, but the city name took a lot longer.

I think the key to solving everything but PETE'S was realizing that present time might be NOEL, which unlocked SAFARI HAT-- I'd caught on what the puzzle meant by "game," but I was looking for a camouflage suit worn to hunt ducks.

I need to soften my views on SCROD. A young haddock fileted and served on a plank is a SCROD, as is a young cod, so the clue is an example rather than a definition. Technically defensible, I guess.

I'm surprised at the reaction to RILL. In a reply to an earlier comment I quote a few lines from the song "My Country 'Tis of Thee," which we sang in grade school. Maybe that sort of group singing by a class has gone out these days, but the words are imbedded deep in my mind.

Anonymous 10:59 AM  

Talofa Airways was a bit too trivial for me. They fly a grand total of 2 Rockwell Commander 690s capable of seating a grand total of about 10 people to 3 destinations.

Sam 11:01 AM  

Really tough. Some very clever and fun misdirection, but ruined by PPP. DNF, as I had to guess at OPAL/APIA SAMOA (?????) and did not find that P inferable. I see now that I ought to know who OPAL Lee is, but I didn’t.

dash riprock 11:02 AM  

👍

Emily Ransom 11:26 AM  

I found it hilarious that I myself, who have a PhD and indeed took ORALS along the way, and who enjoys doctor jokes (“not that kind of doctor…”) and occasionally adds cheekily that etymologically I’m the “real” doctor—I myself felt so confident of MCAT that I even began to doubt LADLE which had felt so right at first. Took me far longer than I’d like to admit to realize, “Oh, they mean the other kind of doctor, like…me.”

Anonymous 11:29 AM  

When did the Huskies become a “college basketball powerhouse?”

Anonymous 11:35 AM  

Dare you to say TAOISEACH three times fast. Like a DORK, HAMMERED at this ONE for way too long before hearing the bitter sweet victory music. Did the constructor come up with wildly obscure hard to spell longs and wrap in poorly clued shorts to entertain himself? I expect better from the Saturday themeless. Did anyone enjoy this clunker?

Anonymous 11:43 AM  

I got the ADDS misdirect right away, but it doesn’t quite make sense for me. Isn’t the summer already doing the adding? So why does the summer need someone else to do the adding for them? Color me confused…

Teedmn 11:43 AM  

So my brain says EARTH and my hand writes in EARTe. This made the SE the hardest part of the puzzle for me, trying to make sense of 49D's _eED with a clue of “Shake off”. I finally rechecked the crosses, replaced the e with the correct H and I was done.

I always use the Appian Way as my way of remembering Samoa's city, Apia. And TAOISEACH was a gimme after the TA showed up. But TALLCHIEF and BELLA, total unknowns.

I agree with Rex on the cleverness of the clues for Schulz and Famous Potatoes.

I declare this easy for a Peter Gordon puzzle. Thanks, Peter!

Teedmn 11:51 AM  

27D made me think of this joke. I think I heard it on the Click and Clack radio show. You really need the Boston accent to make it funny:

“When I was a kid I went to college in Boston. I majored in English, and
to make ends meet I drove a cab at night.
This guy gets into my cab and asks to be taken to the airport. He was in
town for business and he's leaving. Then he says to me,
"I was kinda busy this trip, and there are some things I didn't get to try.
Where do you suppose I could have got SCROD around here?"
I thought for a second, then I said,
"You know, I've been driving this cab for three years now and I must have
heard that question a thousand times, but that's the first time anyone's
asked it in the pluperfect subjunctive." “

jae 11:55 AM  

Medium. The NW, SE and center were pretty easy (except for the ID clue mislead at 35a).

Most costly erasure: me too for mcatS before ORALS.

I like pretty much everyone else did not know the Irish title, plus SEED, TRAE, BELLA, and ROSS.

I also never heard of Veet so NAIR was a crosswordese guess.

I did know TALLCHIEF.

Reasonably smooth and workmanlike but a tad bland. The clueing kept this interesting, liked it.

Whatsername 11:59 AM  

A hard Saturday for me and, like yesterday and the day before, made moreso by the names.

A Wordle score of ONE in reality should elicit a message of “Lucky Guess.” There’s nothing genius about getting the answer on the first try

GILL I. 12:02 PM  

I felt I was in an Irish pub eating some FAMOUS POTATOES with TAOISEACH when the bartender yelled "IT's trivia night and I hope you know a bunch of names that no one will remember!!!" Let the ROISTER begin!

And i'm supposed to know the antepenultimate word uttered from Armstrong's quote. I don't even know what an antepenultimate is.

a goober is a DORK?

Anonymous 12:11 PM  

Completely agree. In the last few months, the NYT puzzle has become a sports/pop/trivia contest, not a crossword.

Anonymous 12:23 PM  

The Wordle bot's comment on getting the guess in one try is "good day to buy a lottery ticket".... I guess bots have yet to qualify in a trivia infused puzzle......fingers crossed it doesn't happen in my life time.

Anonymous 12:32 PM  

Ashes? Um, ok. I get it. Ushes? I see it but geez. Really? Plus they cross!!! Thank goodness for the fills around them.

Whatsername 12:38 PM  

As a non-millennial, I’d venture to say there are number of others who would second your rant.

M and A 12:59 PM  

USHES to ASHES, DOST to DUST go.
Agree with @RP on his "medium" ratin ... U would hafta be a medium, to predict where all these puzclues were leadin to.
At least most of us suffered -- which is good for y'all.

Cool to see PETE'S Puz got pasted on the @Nancy near-hollowed Wall of Fame. Evidently not an Irish lingo fan. Could maybe better clued 31-D for her [or for M&A, also] with: {Path to enlightenment = A head??}.

staff weeject pick, of only 6 candidates: Matt Gaetz. Oh, no -- that's a different puzzler -- I meant to pick ONE, on account of its primo Wordle-based gimme clue [a clue rarity, for this feisty puz].
Today, M&A got that there Wordle word in 3 -- after havin only ONE yellow letter of info, after 2 guesses. Elicited a Wordle message of "Whoa U musta cheated!"

other fave things: FAMOUSPOTATOES clue. The Jaws of Themelessness.

Thanx, Mr. Gordonmeister dude. Genius.

Masked & Anonymo4Us

**gruntz**

puzzlehoarder 1:01 PM  

As tough as yesterday's name fest was today's trivia ordeal made it seem easy. This constructor has been making puzzles for about as long as I've been solving them. That means I've done most of what xwordinfo has listed and I don't recall any of them being this challenging. Part of the reason could be that I'm still getting used to the new editor's cluing but mostly it was just that this was such a good Saturday.

One of the things that made this puzzle stand out was how many short easy answers there were that still left the long stuff out of reach. The SE was the only section that came together in a normal Saturday fashion. The rest of the puzzle was an extreme test of my patience where I could only enter a smattering of answers and then wait for the fog to clear. When I put in the E of COOKSET and SEED to finish the timer said 1:46. Normally I average about half an hour on a Saturday.

That last cross was a good example of the whole solve. I had STAT at 39A for about the first 30 minutes before I took it out. I even considered SIGN for that slot. It synced perfectly with DRAGSINTO for30D. Any other puzzle a hit on a letter G like that would be a sure thing but by that point in the solve I didn't even bother trying to type it in. Pulse for SEED is very MUCH a debut clue.

@okanaganer, thanks for the shout out yesterday. Glad to see you're still doing the SB. My latest streak is ony 5. I've been missing a lot lately. PORTRAYAL was the first common word pangram that I couldn't get. AQUANAUT was my last missed word and the day beforeI missed BIGEYE. If your streak was 23 as of yesterday that means you knew PAROL so congrats on that. That last one was on the same day I couldn't get PORTRAYAL so I've really been off my game.

Wright-Young 1:02 PM  

Agreed; a big, hot mess of arcana. On my birthday, no less!

Wright-Young 1:07 PM  

Amen

jb129 1:14 PM  

I "third?" that

floatingboy 1:20 PM  

Came here to say this. Gross.

okanaganer 1:22 PM  

This would have been enjoyably challenging, but again spoiled by all the names. As bad as yesterday, it seemed to me. I took a screenshot and colored all the names in red and it was most of the squares. The upper left is particularly bad with APIASAMOA and TALLCHIEF crossing OPAL, KALAMAZOO, and SHULZ. In fact, between square 1 and the K in SLACKERS there are only six squares that are not red. Really too bad because there are many great answers like TALLCHIEF and FAMOUS POTATOES.

I wrong footed right at 1 across with JERK. At 24 across I was looking at -OISTER and shouted "Oh no, it's BOISTER, that's so stupid!" ROISTER is only a bit better. I caught on to the Woodstock trickery (JOPLIN?) but tried to spell it SHULTZ for too long.

jb129 1:32 PM  

Got a late start (no excuse). A lot I didn't know
TAOISEACH (a real killer), ROISTER, TALLCHIEF, SAFARI HAT, not being much of a sports person - TRAE, HUSKIES. Had "walks" for USHES.
Yes, I know it's Saturday but not much fun for me:( I did like 35A FAMOUS POTATOES, 34A ADDS &
Rex's write up with all the "OYs" (funny) and
I agree totally with the comments by Anonymous @ 9:29 am, 12:11pm & @Wright-Young 1:07 pm.
We'll see what Sunday brings ....

Gene 1:35 PM  

Rex says he didn't know TALLCHIEF or TAOISEACH. I knew the former well enough to fill it in from a few inside letters, and I knew the latter well enough to fill in the outside letters, and have crosses fill in the rest.

NotTheSheriff 1:40 PM  

UConn Huskies basketball: women have won the NCAA tournament 11 times, the men 6

Anonymous 1:43 PM  

Another 1 1/2 beer puzzle doing downs only, starting in the SW coner, aka medium. 53A I had MCATS...

Anonymous 1:54 PM  

UConn Huskies are undoubtedly a powerhouse

Mike in Mountain View 2:19 PM  

I like that cryptic clue.

Son Volt 2:19 PM  

@anon 10:53a - she sits proudly guarding the small, lovely entrance to the park at Riverside and 93rd. You can take the 1,2 or 3 to 96th and walk a few blocks.

Blog Goliard 2:22 PM  

Well, it’s clearly a day for me to be even more of an outlier than usual.

Many folks’ least-favorite entry was a happy place for me. I was ever so relieved when I realized they just wanted the familiar title Taoiseach, as I was blanking on the name of the guy who took over for Varadkar back in the spring.

Whereas everyone’s favorite rankled me today, as my old hometown of Lewiston is in *North* Idaho. We have grudges against (ever-so-distant) south Idaho for many reasons. One is that the territorial capital was taken away from Lewiston way back when, literally in the middle of the night. Another is being made to drive around advertising a product (already quite universally recognized anyway!) that’s just grown down south. The slogan hasn’t varied since the 1950s…surely it’s way, way past time for the panhandle to have a turn promoting one of its products.

(Yes, they added “Scenic” at the top of the plate in the ‘90s…I’ll count that as a small improvement, but the spuds still ain’t budging, no way, no how. Harrumph.)

Anoa Bob 2:42 PM  

That is also part of a stealth two for one POC where a single S boosts the grid fill letter count of two entries, here at the end of 37D TAUPE and inside 54A TAKE CARE. See also stealthy POCs at 23D COOK SET/44A FEEL ILL and 30D ROPE INTO/41A SORBET.

okanaganer 3:07 PM  

@puzzlehoarder, I've been on a few good streaks recently, and I've only missed 3 words since August. And yes I remember PORTRAYAL was my very last word quite late in the afternoon. PAROL was just a lucky guess... I keep trying anything that even remotely sounds like it might be a word.

Anonymous 3:15 PM  

I'm originally from New England (CT, not Massachusetts) -- I always thought SCROD was a kind of general generic term for "catch of the day." Never knew it referred to a specific species (or age) of fish.

Anonymous 3:29 PM  

I mostly knew Taoiseach, but also knew I had no idea how to spell it so that was kind of frustrating having to wait to get more letters for something I kind of knew.

Anonymous 3:52 PM  

Maria Tallchief is currently on a US quarter.

schwa 4:33 PM  

Excuse me but is the Statue of Liberty not a public statue of a woman?! Are we going to argue about whether it's in Jersey or are we transvestigating Lady Liberty now?

Nancy 4:40 PM  

Amen.

Anonymous 5:27 PM  

"Ushes" is 1,000% BOGUS.

Also, just FYI, spelling-wise it's Yul Brynner, not Brenner.

MetroGnome 5:39 PM  

I'm assuming the question refers to a statue commemorating an actual, real-life woman from history, not a symbolic icon. Although yes, Liberty did come to my mind when I saw the clue, but there was no way to make it fit into the allotted squares.

Beezer 6:23 PM  

Sorry, it’s late for a response, but we only sang the first “stanza” (or whatever it is called) in grade school (I’m 69). So, I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t know it had RILL in it.

Anonymous 8:18 PM  

I am also from MA and agree - scrod is used for indeterminate white fish.

Bill 9:04 PM  

A few excellent marquee clues/answers ruined by USHES and SCROD and pointless esoterica. You can’t just make up answers and clues to be obscurely difficult. USHES isn’t a thing. Scrod is wrong. Difficult is great! It’s what I want on a Saturday. Being obstinately incorrect just isn’t fun. Difficulty should make you admire not bemoan.

Mike 9:25 PM  

I didn't care for this one at all. I agree with Rex that there was a ridiculous amount of proper nouns, most of which were crazy obscure (at least to me). I ended up having to come here to get some of the fills that I just never would have gotten in a million years. Might be one of the least enjoyable puzzles of the year for me.

Anonymous 11:02 PM  

The comments were classic today
That is just wrong repeated so many times
Wasn’t going to write anything because it’s so late, but I couldn’t myself.
Scrod
People should remember that words often mean more than one thing. Also we might not know all the meanings of a word we think we know well. (I had no clue that pulse could = seed! ). Look scrod up before you rant. The first listing mentioned a young haddock as one of the word’s many meanings.
Someone said scrod was an obsolete word. Uh no. I plan to have it tomorrow.
(Maybe the commenter has never been to New England? )
Ashes crossing ushes
Throughout the history of English, nouns have been “verbified”. Shakespeare is famous for this.
People use ush so it’s a word. Ash I have never seen but I am sure it exists.
Would I ever use them. NO.
But together they are almost funny. It did not ruin the puzzle
I did think it was a hard puzzle but I did finish it On the other hand too many names with many crossing
Z a former commenter added up
ppp. Here it’s 1/3. Ouch. Too many
dgd

Anonymous 5:08 AM  

Maria Tallchief was one of the designs of the American Women quarters this year (last year?). That’s how I knew that answer. Although there are approximately 87 bazillion different US quarter designs now, so unless you’re super into coins, that obviously didn’t help.

Anonymous 9:10 AM  

STEWIE/ERIVO was a Natick for me. No idea on either name.

Anonymous 1:41 PM  

Happy birthday 😊

Anonymous 1:48 PM  

I don’t think I’m getting dumber, I think the puzzles are getting less enjoyable.

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