Assisted pregnancy procedure, for short / TUE 11-12-24 / Virtual animal companion / Internet deep dive, metaphorically / Vocal skeptics / Father ___, personification of New York City in old cartoons / Fast-food chain that has a long-running feud with Jon Stewart / Threaded fastener

Tuesday, November 12, 2024

Constructor: Avery Gee Katz and Aaron Gee

Relative difficulty: Tough for a Tuesday


THEME: The HORSE'S MOUTH (56A: From which to hear the real story, as suggested by the starts of 20-, 26- and 51-Across) — theme answers begin with homophones for horse sounds:

Theme answers:
  • KNICKERBOCKER ("nicker") (20A: Father ___, personification of New York City in old cartoons)
  • NAYSAYERS ("neigh") (26A: Vocal skeptics)
  • WINNIE-THE-POOH ("whinny") (51A: Bear who sings "I'm so rumbly in my tumbly")
Word of the Day: LEGIONARY (4D: Roman soldier) —

The Roman legionary (in Latin legionariuspl.legionarii) was a citizen soldier of the Roman army. These soldiers would conquer and defend the territories of ancient Rome during the late Republic and Principate eras, alongside auxiliary and cavalry detachments. At its height, Roman legionaries were viewed as the foremost fighting force in the Roman world, with commentators such as Vegetius praising their fighting effectiveness centuries after the classical Roman legionary disappeared.

Roman legionaries were recruited from Roman citizens under age 45. They were first predominantly made up of recruits from Roman Italy, but more were recruited from the provinces as time went on. As legionaries moved into newly conquered provinces, they helped Romanize the native population and helped integrate the disparate regions of the Roman Empire into one polity. They enlisted in a legion for 25 years of service, a change from the early practice of enlisting only for a campaign. Legionaries were expected to fight, but they also built much of the infrastructure of the Roman Empire and served as a policing force in the provinces. They built large public works projects, such as walls, bridges, and roads. The legionary's last five years of service were on lighter duties. Once retired, a Roman legionary received a parcel of land or its equivalent in money and often became a politically prominent member of society. (wikipedia)

Secondary Word of the Day: 

legionnaire (n.): 

  1. a member of a legion, in particular an ancient Roman legion or the French Foreign Legion. (Oxford Languages / google)

• • •

What does the horse say? Well, "neigh," obviously. If you're speaking English and not Horse, then a horse might "whinny." I did not know that a horse could "nicker." If I've seen this word (and I'm sure I have, somewhere, sometime...) it's probably in books about pre-industrial life. A book from Horse Times. But I could've sat here and listed every horse-sound term I know and never gotten to "nicker" (in fact, never gotten past "whinny"). This made no real difference in terms of solving difficulty, since I didn't know horses were involved at all until near the very end, and you didn't have to know horses sounds or have any specific horseology expertise to solve the themers. But it wasn't just the lesser-known horse sound that made KNICKERBOCKER strange to me; I'd also never heard of Father KNICKERBOCKER, and since I hadn't heard of him, I couldn't possibly know that he was the "personification of New York City in old cartoons." I know KNICKERBOCKER as a general (and old-fashioned) term for someone from New York, as well as (obviously) the formal name of anyone playing on the New York basketball team, the New York Knicks. "Knicks" is short for KNICKERBOCKER that I knew. Not a hard answer to infer with a few crosses, but still, kind of tough trivia for a Tuesday. Another thing I didn't know: LEGIONARY. I know "Legionnaire," which is a ... conventioneer of some kind, as well as a famous disease. But when "Legionnaire" wouldn't fit today, I had to wait for crosses to help me get the ending. This is only the second time LEGIONARY has appeared in the NYTXW (the other time was in 2015). The 1-2 punch of KNICKERBOCKER-LEGIONARY alone put this puzzle into somewhat harder territory than the average Tuesday for me. Not uncomfortably so. But so.


The theme idea is simple and cute. I'm weirdly missing the "the" in the phrase "the HORSE'S MOUTH," though. Feels like the revealer clue should at least have "With 'The'" as a qualifier. You'd never hear HORSE'S MOUTH used in this idiomatic, non-veterinary sense without the "The." Otherwise, the theme is solid. Just fine. It's an oversized puzzle (16 rows tall), so if it played a little slower for you today, that's one possible reason why. It definitely played slower for me, but size had nothing to do with it. In addition to the now-legendary LEGIONARY-KNICKERBOCKER debacle, there were other obstacles lying in wait for me today. Not one but two minor TV actors made me stop short and look to the crosses for help. I've at least heard of CHAD Michael Murray—sort of, vaguely (21D: Actor ___ Michael Murray of "One Tree Hill") (side note: why is "Actor" in this clue??). One Tree Hill makes me laugh because that's not just bygone TV, that's bygone network. It started on The WB, which later merged with UPN to form THE CW, which has somehow appeared in the NYTXW only twice despite being a novel and potentially hard-to-parse 5-letter answer THECW (pronounced 'THECK-wuh') (jk). One Tree Hill ran nine seasons!? (2003-12). Wow, the early '00s really are a cultural black hole for me. I actually watched Glee for a time (the first few seasons), but did not know the actors' names beyond crossword-famous LEA Michele (my apologies to NAYA Rivera) (35D: "Glee" actress Rivera). So, I didn't know the actor from the show I did watch, and I did know (kinda sorta) the actor from the show I didn't. Strange. Anyway, the point is that relatively obscure pop culture trivia added another element of slowness today. 


There were other small trouble spots. I had no idea what "Completion document" even meant. Just a completely inscrutable phrase to me. And I didn't just need to know what it was, I needed to know its abbrev.? Didn't happen without lots of help from crosses (CERT. = "certificate," I imagine, i.e. a document you might receive upon completing ... something). And then EASE really wanted to be EASY (25A: Smooth sailing, so to speak), which left me with a bygone African country name that I seemed never to have heard of. Me: "... DAIRY? FAIRY? ... ZAIRY!? Oh, right, ZAIRE" (12D: Former name of the Democratic Republic of the Congo). The rest of the puzzle was reasonably smooth sailing (see!), though the clue [Assisted pregnancy procedure, for short] had me thinking of a procedure performed literally at birth, perhaps by a doula or midwife or something, and I was like "ok, what abbr. am I going to not have heard of today!?" But the "procedure" was from way earlier in the pregnancy—it's just IVF, i.e. in vitro fertilization.


NEOPET in the singular seems less than ideal (see yesterday's DORITO / TIDE POD discussion), and again, as with the TV clues, it feels bygone. Having EELY and EGGY in the same grid feels somehow unappetizing, though unatama don (grilled eel with eggs on rice) does sound kind of good. EELY just has a slime factor, as a word. DCAREA also has a slime factor, in that it's arbitrary and bad. It's about as valid as [any city + AREA]. The only metropolitan "___ AREA" that really lands is BAY AREA. You can't have DCAREA and not, say, LAAREA, and you see how dumb that looks (I'm staring at it DUMBLY right now). LAAREA has never appeared in the NYTXW, and yet I somehow like it even better than DCAREA (perhaps because I once lived in the greater LAAREA. DCAREA's one virtue is that it's better than INDC, a four-letter abomination that you see from time to time (LA wins here once again: at least with INLA, you can make it into a plausible partial).


Loved RABBIT HOLE (31D: Internet deep dive, metaphorically) and (to a lesser extent) JACKASSES (10D: Bozos). I also loved how I stupidly parsed "IT'S NOTHING" as "IT's NO [space] THING" and thought "What? Who says that?" I could imagine "AIN'T NO THING" (which is a Toby Keith song as well as an Outkast song (?!)), but "IT'S NO THING" seemed weird. Because it was. Because it wasn't the answer. The answer was "IT'S NOTHING" (33D: "Not a big deal!").  At least I didn't read it as "It's not hing," I guess. That would've been worse. "'HING!?' What's a HING!?" It's nothing

["It ain't no big thing..."]

See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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87 comments:

Anonymous 5:44 AM  

So many cheaters today.

Anonymous 6:04 AM  

I guessed knickerbocker based solely on a place I shopped years ago and the team and could not have been more surprised when I confirmed it with the downs. I then spent minutes looking for my typo since I was certain that it was mole not vole. Ugh.

Anonymous 6:25 AM  

Nah. The theme answer placement necessitates most of what you’re calling “cheaters.” Only the black squares beneath THROW and GNASH really count as “cheaters.”

SouthsideJohnny 6:45 AM  

Also fell for the MOLE vs VOLE situation, but IMF looked funny so it was the first thing I checked when I got the close but no cigar message.

I try not to get RILEd at the PPP crosses (YEOH x CHAD), but I still think it’s just foolish when they do that. At least CHAD was pretty obvious on this one.

I had to look up BOOBIES to understand the clue for FEET - It’s true, they are these ugly looking birds (I think they are birds, they look a little like penguins) with massive blue FEET. Bizarre looking to say the least.

Cakes 6:53 AM  

Am I the only one who felt the Naya Rivera clue felt a bit glib today, considering her tragic and untimely death in 2020? Definitely hit me harder than I would have thought, just seeing it there with no acknowledgement of the tragedy.

Fun_CFO 7:07 AM  

BLUE-footed boobies is fairly obscure knowledge for a Tuesday. I mean, not like you need to be an Audubon Society member, but “boobies” as a bird, and a species found largely south of the equator, isn’t exactly common.

I can see that little corner being tricky when crossed with the awkward IVF clue.

Cales 7:08 AM  

Just lol'ed at this comment, because penguins are birds too

Anonymous 7:15 AM  

No idea about KNICKERBOCKER, and like Rex I couldn't see what "completion document" meant, but the crosses were fair and I made the connection with the Knicks. I've used the clue [Virgin's counterpart in memes] in one of my puzzles, but there's a very low chance of ever seeing CHAD clued the meme-y way in the NYT.

I parsed IT'S NOTHING correctly once the full answer appeared, but while going down the east side I wanted IT'S NOT + a 4-letter word.

kitshef 7:17 AM  

Currently living in the DC area, and I can absolutely assure you that people say DC AREA all the time.

I can't see KNICKERBOCKER without thinking of a Knickerbocker glory, which I've never seen in New York, only in England. Loved them as a child. Now, I'd much prefer a hot fudge sundae.

Lewis 7:18 AM  

Much to like, for me:
• The scrabbliness, just a Q short of a pangram.
• The scattering of lovely answers – STRUT, RABBITHOLE, RIMSHOT, GNASH.
• The strong fauna supporting cast in a horse-themed puzzle: CLAMS, WINNIE THE POOH, GNAT, VOLE, STY, EELY, RABBIThole, detOXed, and those boobies in the clue.
• Enough vex to please my brain – trying to guess the revealer (no success but such sweet work), and even that lovely clue [Early sign of life, perhaps], which had my brain scampering all over the place.
• The sweet backstory of the puzzle co-made by a brother and sister who make crossword puzzles for each other as birthday presents.

When I dwell for a spell, in a puzzle, and, seemingly, everywhere I turn, I run into things that happify me, I leave that puzzle beaming and thinking it’s going to be a very good day. What a gift! Thank you so much for this, A&A, and congratulations, Aaron on your debut!

Anonymous 7:19 AM  

Solved downs only and it was brutal. Got the rest of the puzzle but failed in the SW corner with DNC for the pregnancy procedure.

RJ 7:24 AM  

You're not the only one

ncmathsadist 7:30 AM  

In the show Lost In Space, Dr. Smith often referred to the robot as a "nickering ninny."

Son Volt 7:31 AM  

I like this one. Handsome - symmetric layout with a neat theme and some quirky fill. The revealer is apt and in the language. My dad drank KNICKERBOCKER - love the term. NAYSAYERS is top notch.

The JAZZ Butcher

Pangrammatic grid - missing the Q but overall well filled. DUMBLY adjacent to JACKASSES is cool and like the RABBIT x WINNIE THE POOH friend cross. Didn’t know CHAD or NAYA but the crosses were fair. The corner 3s are unique and fun for shorts.

Enjoyable Tuesday morning solve.

D. Boon

Anonymous 7:40 AM  

There was a theme?

Ya know that junk they sell on TV that comes with a CERTificate of authenticity? Well who authenticates the CERTificate?

BC 7:53 AM  

As a resident of the DC AREA, I can assure you that few use that term, though it is heard.

Far more common are the “Metro area” and “the DMV” (DC, MD, VA).

I just couldn’t solve that clue until I filled it on cross. Never occurred to me.

Anonymous 7:56 AM  

That MOLE/VOLE dilemma feels unfair since it crosses IVF and IMF seems very plausible as a procedure abbreviation.

Anonymous 8:08 AM  

to me going down an internet rabbit hole isn't necessarily a deep dive into something, but being taken somewhere you aren't intending to go.

Anonymous 8:26 AM  

I grew up and live in the DC area, and everyone says DC area.

Visho 8:34 AM  

As a teenager I read all the horse books I could get my hands on so NICKER was no problem.

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Boobies aren’t especially rare, nor are they confined to the Southern Hemisphere.
The only place masked boobies nest in the US is the Dry Tortugas. A nifty place, and home to an underrated National Park.
The day before my wedding, my fiamce, father and best man took the fast ferry out of Key Westbyo enjoy it. We also knew we’d see birds hard to generally find.
Anyway, after a longish day at Fort Jefferson, everyone was eager to get back to Key West and go Key West things 😜.
Unfortunately, one of the ferry’s crew saw or binoculars and spotting scope and asked if we were birders. We said yeah, and didn’t think a thing of it.
Two minutes later, there was an announcement over the ship’s PA that there were birders on board and the ship was gonna stop at a very nearby key so the birders (us) could look at the nesting marked boobies. It was sweet, but we had already seen them, and the boat stopped for er. Each second was increasingly uncomfortable because everyone else had no interest, and all we we were foi g was delaying the boat’s partying.
A great life bird, but yikes, those daggers still sting.

RooMonster 8:49 AM  

Hey All !
I'm betting the over on people finishing with ImF/MOLE.

Any particular reason puz was 16 Long that I'm missing? Could've been regular 15.

OAT smack dab (we'll, not exactly smacked) in the center could've been a contender.

Thought about entering JACKholes for a bit. But, the ASSES reign supreme.

Interesting puz, is today National HORSE Day or anything? Where they STRUT their stuff? With their FEET as they KICK EELY DETOXED NAYSAYERS? OK, enough of that RABBIT HOLE.

Happy Tuesday.

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

pabloinnh 8:56 AM  

It's a yay me day because I had the theme after KNICKER and NAY. Hot damn.
Also when legionnaire wouldn't fit my next idea was LEGIONARY, and so it was.

OTOH, the CHAD YEOH cross was sheer guesswork, as was NAYA, Nice to meet you all, I'm sure.

Also started with MOLE, but then couldn't think of what the International Monetary Fund had to do with a pregnancy procedure, so VOLE it had to be.

Finally, a WIINIETHEPOOH answer with no mention of his three-letter friend. Just sayin'.

Nice Tuesday, AGK and AG. A Good Kickoff to the day And Gracias for all the fun.

Nice to see other folks remembering the Smothers Brothers in yesterday's puzz. They actually did a live show right here in Lebanon NH in 2007 and it's still on the list of my all-time favorite performances. Just wonderful.

Diane Joan 8:58 AM  

@Lewis I didn’t know about the “sweet back story” about the sibling puzzle creators. Thanks for sharing! My younger daughter made one for me for my birthday once. Such a touching gift! Have a great day… you brightened mine.

Anonymous 9:07 AM  

Agreed. That corner made this into a very unfair mess.

Todd 9:25 AM  

In 1974 the Rumble in the Jungle took place in Zaire. Between Foreman and Ali. It is the famous rope a dope fight.

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

Except that IVF is a very common procedure, and has been in the news during this election cycle quite a bit.

Suzy 9:41 AM  

IMF = International Money Fund.

JOHN X 9:57 AM  

"Feather-footed through the plashy fen passes the questing vole."

Beezer 10:01 AM  

Wow. A puzzle that Rex deems “hard as a Tuesday” that I sailed through until the end when I found I had also confidently put in mOLE and did not check the crosses. Wow. I had not realized VOLEs burrow. I found one in my basement years ago and thought it was a sick or mutant mouse because of its “gait” and the fact I could actually catch it with a can (I released it).
As for DCAREA…my sister lives there and when we have travelled together and asked where she’s from..she says the DCAREA. @BC…I live in the “metro area” too, in a different city, and would you actually tell someone you meet when in, say, California, that you live in the DMV (area) Just wondering…
Haha…well. I guess Rex never read The Black Stallion or My Friend Flicka as a kid…nickers, neighs, and whinnies figure pretty heavily into the HORSESMOUTH dialog.

Beezer 10:05 AM  

I guess I will go to my grave never really knowing how to identify a “cheater square” nor ever remember why it is “cheating” or why it matters. (But I’ll dutifully return to the puzzle and look below THROW and GNASH)

Nancy 10:18 AM  

I'm so glad that I didn't peek at the revealer clue before I went back to try and figure out what the three theme answers had in common. I had some crosses already written in the revealer answer, but I hadn't really looked at them, or if, I had, I didn't remember them.

I wasn't sure if NAYSAYERS was part of the theme because it was shorter -- but if I looked at the revealer clue to check, that would give everything away. So I assumed NAYSAYERS was a themer, re-read the answers, saw the homophones immediately, and blurted out HORSE'S MOUTH! And so it was.

Delightful theme; delightful puzzle. I liked the fact that many of the clues provoked curiosity -- like "early sign of life, perhaps"; John Stewart's long-running feud restaurant (someone will tell me why they're feuding, maybe?) and "Internet deep dive, metaphorically". I feel like a lot of care was put into this puzzle and the constructors wanted us to have fun solving. I definitely did.

Anonymous 10:23 AM  

Surprised for the "INLA" partial OFL went with Wang Chung instead of the better known (and hilarious) Missing Persons song, "Walking in LA." (Or maybe I just think it's better known because I listened to a lot of KROQ.)

egsforbreakfast 10:29 AM  

I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel like they've been screwed by the IMF, so let's stick with mOLE.

For anxiety-ridden QBs, BETAS might be the really important blockers (see 67A). Of course if NY's pro basket ballers took them, they'd be KNICKERBOCKER beta blockers.

What do you do if you encounter a VOLE in a RABBITHOLE? IHOP.

@Rex's mini-rant about DCAREA making LAAREA fair game got me thinking about whether there are any other cities that get referred to with two letters in normal conversation. I can't think of any.

Nice to see a hanging CHAD after all these years.

Thanks for a puzzle that required some horse sense, Avery Gee Katz and Aaron Gee.

GILL I. 10:38 AM  

Good gravy......Is it really Tuesday? May I start with 5A? Li'l fella? ABNER...isn't that you?....What are the early signs of life that starts with an A....Leave that one until you have some of your Peet's.

Everything took longer than normal. YAY me, though, for getting KNICKER BOCKER and wondering what Father he was. Then on to WINNIE THE POOH. Back up to NAY SAYERS and then staring, trying to figure out what they had in common. Oh, they come from the HORSES MOUTH. I had horses growing up...They made all kinds of fun noises but never once did mine KNICKER. The males liked to bite, though. I'm missing half of my index finger thanks to a biter. After he bit me, Dad had his nuts cut off. Speaking of nuts, 69A and blue parts of boobies!. I'm thinking breasts. What part of ones boobies (breasts) are blue? Is it a disease? Is it varicose veins? Why are boobies blue? Oh...FEET? Wrong part of the body.

Back upstairs to fix 5A. That answer took me forever mainly because I wasn't sure how one stares....Humbly, bumbly, jumbly.....I ran the alphabet. DUMBLY sounds about right. So aLi'l fella is KIDDO. Finally finished.

So I finished but with the MOLE looking at me burrowing away. A wrong answer on a Tuesday. My ego went pfffffffft. Gee, I can't wait for tomorrow....

Rex Parker 10:40 AM  

Even as a song, "To Live and Die in L.A." is more famous (higher charting by like 30 places). Throw in the fact that "TLADILA" is from the legendary Friedkin movie of the same name, and I feel pretty confident in saying that (much as I love Missing Persons) "To Live and Die..." is more famous than "Walking ..."

Carola 10:41 AM  

Cute! But I learned that I don't know a homophone when I see - or hear - one. After reading the reveal clue, I went over KNICKER, NAY, and WINNIE a couple of times and came up empty. So HORSE'S MOUTH got a laugh, at myself as well as for its cleverness. Lots of other pleasures in the grid, too. A really good Tuesday!

Whatsername 10:42 AM  

Cute theme, and who doesn’t love HORSES? Tuesday easy but just enough effort required to make it interesting. Congratulations to the debut constructor. And I’ve already forgotten which one. Sorry.

I read that the NYT Guild workers have ended their strike and return to work without a contract, but negotiations are ongoing.

Anonymous 10:49 AM  

Yes, I went to Georgetown and lived in the DC Area for four years. Incidentally, this is the first time, in 10 or 15 years, that my experience was easier than Rex's rating.

Adam12 10:50 AM  

Got me too. IMF - In-vitro Mommy Fertilization? And I’m a doctor, LOL. Anyway VOLE seemed equally implausible as I’d never heard of one. Live and learn.

Anonymous 11:01 AM  

Inside the beltway

Anonymous 11:08 AM  

@egs Knickerbocker beta blockers! LOL 😂 Thanks for the laugh, I needed it!

Nancy 11:08 AM  

I also fell into the MOLE/VOLE RABBIT HOLE -- and since IMF sounded like something vaguely familiar, I never thought to question it. And to think -- if I weren't on this blog, I never would have known.

Re DCAREA -- I'm guessing that those folks in or near Washington D.C. got tired of explaining to the world that, no, they don't live in the state of Washington, but in the city. Saying D.C. causes no confusion and turns out to be so much easier.

A word about POOH's "rumbly tumbly." I was a huge devourer of A.A. Milne's verses which turned me on to verse at a very young age, but not of the POOH books, especially. I can now see what caused POOH reviewer Dorothy Parker to write: "Tonstant weader fwowed up." These books are awfully pwecious and twee, aren't they?

P. L'Enfant 11:12 AM  

Michael should refrain from speaking definitively and dismissively about things he knows nothing. I have lived in DC and northern Virginia for close to 21 years. It is the DC Area. It is said all the time. It is said by everyone. There is no one who does not say it. Michael's assertion is not only ignorant, but lazy and arrogant.

Fun fact: If you cross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, there is a spot in the middle of the bridge where, heading West, you travel from Maryland through DC and into Virginia in less than a couple seconds, and in reverse sequence heading East. So in less than two seconds, you can sample of the entire DC Area. And for some, that is enough.

Beezer 11:25 AM  

@Nancy, it’s kind of a strange feud. Apparently Arby’s actually loves it and has embraced his insults. I think you would find it amusing if you search “Jon Stewart Arby’s feud”

jb129 11:25 AM  

Another Whoosh today - solved as a themeless (thrown by "boobies" though) & then came here to see the theme. Cute :)
Thank you both & congrats on your debut, Aaron :)

jae 11:27 AM  

Easy-medium for me. No WOEs and no erasures. I did know CHAD and NAYA.

Smooth, clever, and delightful with some fine long downs, liked it a bunch!

We use Closed Captions for TV viewing and I’ve seen the caption “horse nickers” so that wasn’t a problem for me.

Steve Washburne 11:39 AM  

Easy Peasy Tuesday. Record time, it just flowed! Thanks

Anonymous 11:39 AM  

I live in Philadelphia, where Legionnaires’ Disease broke out at a convention (of American Legionnaires) at the Bellevue Hotel, quite posh at the time. The hotel had to close and reopened under a different name, of which it’s had many over the years. Now it’s the Bellevue again, run by Hayatt.

BUT I actually knew the Legionary answer because I read Caesar’s Gallic Wars in high school Latin, thus learning about legions in the Roman army.

M and A 11:41 AM  

Seems like a pretty cool puztheme idea. It was lost on m&e a little bit, cuz I've never heard of this "nicker" horse noise.
Primo E/W puzgrid symmetry and 25/26 letter usage, btw.

Is a horse's nicker sorta like a horse snicker?

staff weeject pick: OAT. "steel-cut" was also news to m&e. Went nicer with a horse's mouth than nicker, tho, at our horsehouse. Only the second NYTPuz ever to have both OAT & LEGIONARY in it, too boot.

some fave stuff: RABBITHOLE. PINKY clue. Horse cousins who really know how to make noise [JACKASSES].

Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Katz darlin & Mr. Gee dude. And congratz to Mr. Gee on his half-debut.

Masked & Anonymo4Us

no spam. no nickers. just sheer runtpuz "poetry":
**gruntz**

Tom T 11:43 AM  

I'm back, having read this morning that the strike is ended (though without a new contract). I also flunked the mOLE/VOLE cross and chalked it up to being rusty after the long strike-induced layoff.
Lived in Louisiana for a while--glad they never spoke of the NOLAAREA.

jberg 11:45 AM  

The way this theme unfolded was beautiful. First I had KNICKERBOCKER, and thought, "Ah, common phrases with slant rhymes." Then I got NAYSAYERS, and thought, "Well, come kind of rhyming sounds, anyway." Then came WINNIE THE POOH, and thought, "Huh??" Finally, HORSE'S MOUTH gave me the Aha! moment. I loved it. Also, for icing on the cake, KNICKER, NAY, & WINNIE are all spelled differently from the sounds (nicker, neigh, whinny).

LEGIONAir before LEGIONARY, even knowing that the former should have an extra N.

I'm not all that familiar with eels outside the puzzle context, but snakelike doesn't seem quite right. And OPALs don't seem quite iridescent to my eye. There must be a better term... maybe opalescent?

But those are minor quibbles; I really enjoyed this one.

Oh yeah, the CHAD/YEOH crossing is brutal.

Anonymous 11:55 AM  

IMF registered as a ‘thing’ for me, so I didn’t question it, even though the International Monetary Fund has nothing at all to do with child birth!

jberg 12:00 PM  

Now I want so see what a Knickerbocker glory looks like, but your link is blocked for some reason.

RooMonster 12:01 PM  

@pablo
🤣

RooMonster Who, Me? Guy

jberg 12:06 PM  

What exciting news! The first time I was in Key West I seriously considered booking a plane to the Dry Tortugas, but it was way too expensive--I assume the ferry is a little less. But now I am wondering--why were they on the boat if they were not interested in birds? Is there some other attraction out there?

jberg 12:13 PM  

Thanks for this! This really does take me down a RABBIT HOLE! I have to read more Waugh.

Emily Ransom 12:26 PM  

Pretty sure Rex’s comment about DC AREA was not that people don’t say it, but that people say “[any city] area” such that it isn’t sufficiently a thing (he gave “Bay Area” as an exception, and I think that one is telling, because “Bay” is not the city). So maybe nearing his “eat a sandwich” thing? In any case, I wasn’t particularly bothered by DC AREA—for that city in particular it seems fair since the area is spread around two states, neither of which the city is in—but in fairness to Rex, he wasn’t doubting that it is used.

jberg 12:31 PM  

Like Rex, I'd never heard of "Father K" as such; in fact, I knew exactly what he did--but what more do you need to get the answer? Especially since PNIKY and ALONE are gimmes, and give you the initial KN.

OK, I did know one other thing -- as a lad, we had a deck for playing "Authors" in the house. They were like regular playing cards, but instead of numbers and suits each card had the name of an author and the name of one of that author's works--four works per author, and you had to collect the set. For Washington Irving, one work was "KNICKERBOCKER Tales." [This is a clear memory, and only 70-some years old, but Irving never published a work with this title. He did publish "Diedrich Knickerbocker's History of New York," though.

Anyway, the clue was pretty easy if you'd heard of KNICKERBOCKER at all.

Speaking of RABBITHOLE, whatever happened to Casco Kid? I miss him!

sharonak 12:40 PM  

Never heard of a horse nickering?! Really?! To me that sounds almost as familiar as whinney or neigh

Frank L Visco 12:49 PM  

If you watch TV westerns with closed captions, you will see “horse nickers” very often, and just as often snicker like a 13-year-old at the image it conjures.

Anonymous 12:56 PM  

Fort Jefferson, picturesque blue waters, superlative coral reefs and marine life -- and the birds.

okanaganer 12:59 PM  

Surprised Rex rated it "tough for a Tuesday". I solved down clues only and it went very smoothly; just under 11 minutes which is quick for downs-only for me.

CHAD and ZAIRE and NAYA had to be guessed from crosses. The end of LEGIONARY was surprising. I also had ESPNC for quite a while as I figured: C for "college"? (I get almost no American sports channels with my package... only Golf Channel comes to mind out of about 30 sports channels.)

Anonymous 1:02 PM  

Actually, hing is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asafoetida

Anonymous 1:04 PM  

Actually hing is a thing: Hindi word for asafetida…

andrew 1:27 PM  

Didn’t know Knickerbockers meant New Yorkers. Just knew they were some kind of fancy pants - always thought that was a weird Knickname for a team that plays regularly in the Knazi-ridden MSG. Also didn’t know KNICKER in the “horse sense”. Or LEGIONARY. Or how to differentiate MOLE from VOLE from a HOLE in the ground!

When I was 7 or 8, went to see the matinee of The Horse’s Mouth, thinking this English “comedy” was a variation of the then-popular Mr. Ed. Horribly disappointed that not only was there no talking horse, I couldn’t understand a word of the dialogue. First movie I ever walked out of, a total waste of 25¢…

Anonymous 1:30 PM  

I pretty much hate that every crossword clue which has to do with a children's story doesn't have to do with the children's story, but has to do with the Disney corporation's co-option and destruction of that story.

However, today I must thank the constructor, because their reliance on using Disney led me to this wonderful (and short) blog post. I leave it here for all to enjoy:

https://www.dappledthings.org/deep-down-things/2914/poor-a-a-milne-in-which-winnie-the-pooh-is-reclaimed-from-disney

Anonymous 3:05 PM  

Jberg,
So…. Birders have a warped world view. But even we can see.
The Dry Totguas offers spectacular swimming, snorkeling, sun bathing.
History—- Ft. Jefferson, where Dr. Mudd ( yeah, that one) spent some time. A sense of adventure— it’s 70 miles out of KeyWest!!
So, many reasons sans birds to visit..
As for the plane to Fy.Jefferson/ DeybTortugas National Park. Pricey but fast. The Yanke Freedom is the fast ferry out of Key West. Takes every bit of 90 minutes to get to the park;the plane takes 20.Tome is money,
If anyone, especially a birder, is still reading, there’s almost no fresh water in Ft Jefferson, save one little spot called the drip.
Fatigued birds, desperate for fresh water gather here. So, incredibly, one can see the weakest warbler literally touching the fiercest hawk, both so desperate to drink nothing else matters.
It’s remarkable

ChrisS 3:06 PM  

Whenever I see DMV in the WaPo I do double take, wondering what the
Department of Motor Vehicles has to do with the headline.

Anonymous 3:09 PM  

So many people not knowing KNICKERBOCKER makes me feel some combination of too old and too NY. I've known the term all my life, from both the team and the local beer of my long-ago youth, and I'm reasonably sure we learned Father Knickerbocker in grade school history. There was even a Kurt Weill musical, KNICKERBOCKER HOLIDAY, in which the great Walter Huston sang the legendary "September Song".

kitshef 3:21 PM  

Sorry, @jberg. Must have made an error in my html. Wikipedia has a page for knickerbocker glory, though.

Anonymous 3:26 PM  

Me too. Was literally talking about the "Glee Curse" yesterday.

Anonymous 3:41 PM  

DC Area is 100% a thing.

dgd 4:17 PM  

I put in mOLE and didn’t know what 60 down was referring to. So left it in for an ignominious dnf on a Tuesday. I do it on paper so there was no warning but ImF as noted by Suzy was obviously wrong. Even worse, despite Rex’s evaluation, I found it very easy. Until then!

Beezer 4:19 PM  

Hahaha M & A…to me a horse “nicker” sounds kind of like a deep burp!

Beezer 4:21 PM  

OR…clearing the throat…

Anonymous 4:26 PM  

I’m surprised to see that none of the educators here commented on the clue for ESSAY. The rampant cheating in college, which has become much easier with Chat GPT, is one of the reasons I’m retiring at the end of the year. Too many students are trying to game the system instead of learn. I worry about their ability to make educated decisions once they are in the workforce and have more serious responsibilities. Sorry such a downer…

Anonymous 4:27 PM  

About RABBIT HOLE
Anonymous 8:08 AM
The clue doesn’t say deep dive in one subject. It said internet. In context, the clue answer is fine. Crossword clues are hints. More than close enough for crosswords.

GILL I. 4:52 PM  

So I listened to a horse KNICKER. As I mentioned, we had lots of horses when we lived in Cuba. I didn't know that's what the US of A calls it. I called it hablando conmigo or speaking to me. My favorite horse was called Gitano and after he was gelded, he always talked to me. I'm not sure if he was thanking me or calling me names.

Doug Garr 5:09 PM  

I thought it was a tough Tuesday till I got going. I jumped around the grid until I had enough crosses to get the long ones. All of Rex's nitpicks were spot on.

Andrew Z. 5:16 PM  

I have a better clue for 10d:
Johnny Knoxville, Steve-O, Bam Magera
JACKASSES

Anonymous 5:32 PM  

Easy for me except the SW mOLE/ImF error. So a did not finish. As I said above oh well.
About DC area. Rex said that LA area would be a less bad answer. That implies he didn’t think DC area was commonly said. But local expressions vary and while DC area is very much a common expression LA area is not. I don’t really think there is anything to criticize here.
I always associate Knickerbocker with New York so that was a gimme.
I am not a birder and don’t know much about their names etc but once you see one of those birds on one of those nature shows they stick in your mind!
The birds were called that as they were perceived as stupid. I think the answer is fine for a Tuesday.
dgd

Anonymous 6:22 PM  

Played easy but it took me two full minutes to find my MOLE/VOLE error and get the music.

Lewis 6:32 PM  

@egs -- Hanging CHAD -- Hah! Made my day!

Andrew R 7:05 PM  

Historic prison where doctor Clay who treated John Wilkes Booth was sentenced.

Whatsername 7:58 PM  

😄

Karl Frankowski 9:05 PM  

Thank god my kids instantly got the captain underpants clue. Very challenging for a Wednesday.

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