Morty's cartoon pal / THU 7-27-23 / Root in potpourri / Bridge columnist Charles / Actor Werner of Jules and Jim / Designation that's cheaper than vintage usually / Locale of the house depicted in American Gothic / Rea ___ graphic designer who created The New Yorker's typeface and mascot / Showcase Showdown guesstimate / Her first word was Bart

Thursday, July 27, 2023

Constructor: Guilherme Gilioli

Relative difficulty: Easy


THEME: addition — four Across answers are clued as equations, where the Across answer in question is the sum of the two answers that precede it in its row: 

Theme answers:
  • CORE = EPIC + CENTER (i.e. "epicenter") (19A: 17-Across + 18-Across = 19-Across)
  • VERSE = LIME + RICK (i.e. "limerick") (35A: 32-Across + 33-Across = 35-Across)
  • FIND = DISCO + VERY (i.e. "discovery") (43A: 40-Across + 42-Across = 43-Across)
  • BIND = CONS + TRAIN (i.e. "constrain") (59A: 56-Across + 57-Across = 59-Across)
Word of the Day: Charles GOREN (37D: Bridge columnist Charles) —

Charles Henry Goren (March 4, 1901 – April 3, 1991) was an American bridge player and writer who significantly developed and popularized the game. He was the leading American bridge personality in the 1950s and 1960s – or 1940s and 1950s, as "Mr. Bridge" – as Ely Culbertson had been in the 1930s. Culbertson, Goren, and Harold Vanderbilt were the three people named when The Bridge World inaugurated a bridge "hall of fame" in 1964 and they were made founding members of the ACBL Hall of Fame in 1995.

According to New York Times bridge columnist Alan Truscott, more than 10 million copies of Goren's books were sold. Among them, Point-Count Bidding (1949) "pushed the great mass of bridge players into abandoning Ely Culbertson's clumsy and inaccurate honor-trick method of valuation."

Goren's widely syndicated newspaper column "Goren on Bridge" first appeared in the Chicago Tribune August 30 1944, p.15. (wikipedia)

• • •

I'm writing at a table in the main room of the vacation house ("The Panorama House" in Grand Marais, look it up!). My housemates are playing all kinds of music, loudly, currently "Uptown Girl" by Billy Joel, so it's pretty weird in here right now. Not exactly the best writing conditions. Better than earlier, when they were playing Spin Doctors and Blues Traveler, worse than when they were playing Abba and Pet Shop Boys. Still, I am used to writing in total silence, in the dead of morning, so 10pm party time is throwing me off a little. I'll try to soldier on. I was able to solve this puzzle, under similar conditions, very easily.  Very very easily, the second day in a row where the puzzle didn't really seem to be trying to give me ... anything. The theme is a math-ish theme that definitely came as a surprise, when it finally came, but ultimately it felt slight. Only really involves four short answers, even if it does force us to reevaluate the addends in the equations (i.e. the other short answers in the same row as the equation-clued answers). Definitely got an "oh, cute" out of me, and maybe that's enough. But mainly it felt like a blandish themeless, which is not at all what I look forward to on a Thursday. Now my friends are playing Abba again, "Knowing Me, Knowing You," and I'm kind of bopping in my chair and trying hard to concentrate on this puzzle. OK, that song's over now ... but now it's "Jive Talkin'," so I'm back to bopping. It's going to continue like this. I won't give you any more specifics, but just ... imagine. Anyway, the puzzle is OK, but remedial, once again.


The ugliest part, for me, wasn't the theme (which worked just fine); it was the proper noun pile-up near the middle of the grid. Just a grim name mash-up. EDHARRIS is fine, but he slams into GOREN and IRVIN (!?!), who crashes through RICK, who severs OSKAR. It all felt pretty awful. I knew two of these names, kinda sorta remembered another, but then OSKAR and IRVIN were complete and utter ????? Now, as I've said, the puzzle was, overall, a piece of cake, but even so, this name-iness was unpleasant. Too trivia dense, too know-it-or-you-don't, too proper nouny. Too too. Grease is the word, is the word, that you heard, sorry, the music's still playing and it's hard to tune out. 


I wanted LACTASE to be LACTOSE but the latter is a sugar and the clue wanted an enzyme, so ... fine (4D: Enzyme in dairy pills) (no one in this house knows what a "dairy pill" is ... why would you take a "dairy pill"?) (we just figured out that it's just a "lactose intolerance pill"; "dairy pill" is a weird, misleading formulation that none of us has heard of). Not a great word, but a word nonetheless. UPC CODE (10D: Bars for checking people out) is awful since the "C" in UPC stands for ... CODE. Somebody call the Department of Redundancy Department. Not sure why this strikes me as worse than "PIN NUMBER," but it does. Haven't seen ORRIS in a million years and I hope it's a million more years til the next time (29D: Root in potpourri). Extreme crossword vibes. (Update: "Cracklin' Rosie" by Neil Diamond ... '70s flashbacks ... my dad ... earth tones ...). I had some PIE tonight (from Betty's Pies, Northern Minnesota's pie mecca). If there's more to say about this thing, I'm sure you'll say it in the comments. Peace out!  

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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84 comments:

Evan 1:30 AM  

Theme was fun, but wasn't really tricky enough for a Thursday. Could have been a theme for earlier in the week.

jae 1:55 AM  

Yes, very easy. I ignored the theme clues and breezed through this one. Smooth grid but I agree with Guilherme’s and Jeff’s comments at Xwordinfo...this would have been a fun Tuesday. Liked it.


Did not know IRVIN but it didn’t matter.

okanaganer 2:08 AM  

Gotta love 70s music! Cracklin Rosie, 1970, the hair, that voice.

Yes this was kind of bland for a Thursday; but it would have been a pretty good Tuesday. Agree with Rex about that ugly name pileup in the middle... the only one I knew was OSKAR.

I put in UPC CODE right away, but when I couldn't make the crosses work I changed it to BAR CODE and thought "that's a much better answer". But... d'oh, no, "Bar" is in the clue!

For "Designation cheaper than vintage" I was expecting something like VSOP or ECRU. (You may guess I'm not a wine person, even though I live in practically the EPIC ENTER of western Canada's wine country). So USED was a rude return to earth, or terroir as I think the wine people call it.

[Spelling Bee: Wed 0, my last word this 8er.]

Anonymous 2:17 AM  

Easy overall. From the NW I moved down the west side, solved the SW and put in NYET (wrong) at 48A. I didn't get anything during my first pass in the south, didn't even put in PILE and PRICE because they seemed... too easy. And I'm non-American, never watched The Price is Right outside of the occasional "dumb game show contestants" YouTube clips, so maybe I was just misremembering what Showcase Showdown is. Somehow went through the middle looking at every clue except the Monday-level gimme RICK. Then I picked up speed starting in the NE, and got the theme (with EPIC and ENTER in place, and 19A was the first theme clue I looked at). I finished with RIOTED which I couldn't see because of NYET. GORY_ looked fine but then I noticed IRVIT and fixed everything.

The last appearance of ORRIS in the NYT was in 2017 on a Saturday. But there's also ORRISROOT which has showed up twice. And one of those times was... in Guilherme Gilioli's only other NYT puzzle. I just wanted to check out if today was his NYT debut, but THAT coincidence is on another level.

Melrose 3:13 AM  

You could have told me it was a Tuesday, expected more of a fight.

RunawayPancake 4:27 AM  

Dup-ish? 8D ICE, and 50D ICEE.

And Rex, since you're in the neighborhood, are you making a side trip to Isle Royale National Park?

Conrad 5:18 AM  


Instead of working it my normal clockwise from the NW, today for some reason the clues drew me downward and I solved counterclockwise. So I was 2/3 done before I encountered the first theme clue, thinking all the way, "Is today Thursday?!?"

Blanked on RICK & Morty (33A) and kealoa'd on OScAR/OSKAR at 25D. That was the only spot that delayed a Wednesday-level solve. Agree with OFL's Easy rating.

GeorgeF 6:30 AM  

The clue for 49 Down is flat out wrong. The *Showcase* on The Price Is Right is when you “guesstimate” a Price. The *Showcase Showdown* is the spinning of the Big Wheel to determine which contestant advances to the Showcase round. (Yeah, I’m a TPIR nerd … and a recent contestant!) I’m actually going to write NYT about this one …

SouthsideJohnny 6:52 AM  

I like it better when the theme is not overly gimmicky, as it was today. That may put me in the minority on a Thursday. Not a fan of all of the PPP, and I strongly suspect that I will not be in the minority on that one. Hated the foreign arithmetic quiz even more than usual. Only know that tres is probably three, and OCHO looks eightish - geez, what a waste of grid space with that nonsense everyday.

Regor 7:00 AM  

Solving the left to right, I found myself asking why there appeared to be no theme at all, and why was this themeless puzzle so dreary and unThursdayish. And then working along the bottom it was cons train bi+obvious nd. Not much of a discovery, was it? Does a hidden extra clue in the epicenter of the puzzle even qualify as a theme? Just be thankful I'm not constrained to write a limerick ---- oops, sorry

A professor who calls himself Rex
who prefers his cluing complex
says his favorite dream
is a great crossword theme
it's the equal, at least, of good sex


Anonymous 7:03 AM  

Agree this puzzle was way too easy for a Thursday. Love Grand Marais, especially the Radio Waves music festival in September- hope Rex and company enjoy the unsalted coast (if they're still calling it that).

kitshef 7:05 AM  

Perfectly fine little Tuesday puzzle that wandered off, got lost, and found itself on Thursday.

Unfamiliar with ORRIS, and If RON were not a household name, there are a couple of other things I might have considered at that cross. But RON is a household name.

I really enjoyed Rex’s running playlist.

Joe Dipinto 7:12 AM  

So this was...um...not what I was expecting on a Thursday.

"Why don't you ask Ed out?"
"Ed who?"

Andy Freude 7:24 AM  

Dang, Rex, now I have to go through my whole day with “Cracklin’ Rosie” in my head. Guess who will be singin’ like a guitar hummin’.

Anonymous 7:41 AM  

Had BOMB for 1-across

Eater of Sole 7:44 AM  

CORE is a pretty weak synonym for EPICENTER. All the others worked fine.

If my vacation-house roommates were playing Abba and Billy Joel I'm afraid I'd have to run home. De gustibus...

bocamp 7:45 AM  

Thx, Guilherme; an excellent piece of work! 😊

Easy.

Pretty smooth ride, with just a couple of minor bumps along the way.

LACTASE was a bit scary, but with fair crosses, no prob.

Also, had a pause at UP_CODE; wasn't 100% sure;'C' seemed redundant. This is where I took a closer look at the themers, grokked the idea, saw CORE = EPI CENTER, and went ahead with UPC for the win.

Some of my fave games here (or I should say variations thereof). Our family were big samba fans (a glorified version of CANASTA), which includes 'sambas' (sequences or runs) along with the usual rank or set melds. Also, a big bridge enthusiast; played the occasional contract bridge tournament. Dad was the 'billiards hustler'; I USED to PLAY POOL.

Enjoyed the trip around the USA, from IOWA to ENID and along US ONE; fun adventure! :)
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude ~ Serendipity ~ & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

Bob Mills 7:53 AM  

Finished it with one cheat. For some reason, I couldn't come up with SLOE, and I had "aged" instead of USED, because I assumed from the clue that the answer pertained to wine. My bad.

Very enjoyable puzzle, especially for a Thursday. The trick made perfect sense.

Trina 7:57 AM  

Beautiful lake home, Rex!

Agree this was a Tuesday puzzle. But a very nice Tuesday puzzle. Got all of the unknown PPP easily with crosses - ex pet took me a while to get OSKAR over OSCAR

Laura 7:58 AM  

Far too many names...the only challenge was getting so many answers just on crosses. But Goren shouldn't be a challenge for crossworders should it? Bridge is such a compatible game for those with a solver's mindset.

JJK 8:00 AM  

This was really a Tuesday puzzle. As Rex said, way too many obscure proper names, but all inferable. I did enjoy the puzzle and had a mild aha moment when I got the theme - just too easy for Thursday.

Lewis 8:02 AM  

There are many words that break up into other words. This has been the source of crossword themes, such as funny interpretations of the component words, as Robert Ryan’s on a recent Sunday, i.e., cluing DEPARTMENTALLY with [Zone out?]. In these puzzles, it’s clear to the solver that the answer is composed of smaller words.

But I don’t remember a puzzle, like Guilherme’s today, where the solver has to figure out that the component words mesh to form a larger word. I found that to be original and lovely, and high props for that.

This puzzle is junk-free, and excellently constructed, to where the theme answers read left to right in a single line, with no non-theme words interfering. And there are the constraints of symmetry as well, i.e., with LIME / RICK / VERSE being a 4-4-5 in letter count, DISCO / VERY / FIND has to be a 5-4-4 – limiting the answers that would work.

Anyway, to me, the puzzle had an elegant feel. It even had a non-theme answer right in the middle – GERMANY – echoing the theme, composed as it is of GERM and ANY.

A light and lovely puzzle, which I’ve left feeling warm and content. Thank you, Guilherme!

Son Volt 8:02 AM  

Cute - but not nearly Thursday-worthy. I liked the trick and most of the fill. Yea - maybe too many names and trivia overall a smooth, pleasant solve.

Esther Phillips

Mack 8:02 AM  

I guess it was pretty easy, and the theme was kind of fun, but the whole thing was thrown askew for me by the very first answer: DIRTY pool. I spent the entire rest of the puzzle mindlessly filling answers while constantly thinking "What the heck is a dirty pool?"

@RunawayPancake:
I'm not sure I'd consider Isle Royale a side trip from Grand Marais. That's something like a 10 hour round trip, not including actually spending time in the park. It would probably be easier to get to Voyageurs NP at that rate.

@Rex:
Betty's Pies is overrated, but unfortunately as a tourist you are obligated to go there.
What you really want to do is stop by New Scenic Cafe on (what I assume will be your way home) your way back to Duluth.

andrew 8:04 AM  

Anyone NOT set a personal best* with this USATODAY EZ Thursday?

Not one challenging answer. Not one.

* This was so, SO easy, want to put a Roger Maris asterisk on my app’s stat page.

Anonymous 8:04 AM  

Fastest Thursday ever (PBR)

Weezie 8:07 AM  

Yes @okanaganer, totally agree, would have been a solid Tuesday. Personal best time for a Thursday, even when I had a brain fart on “Hollywood’s Howard” and had to run the alphabet to get to R. I did like the theme even if it was too simple.

And I totally agree on the PPP. Normally I’m more into trivia than most, and I’m okay with actually famous folks, but obscure people’s names who haven’t made either particularly interesting or massive contributions to society at large, hard pass. Like, is this person related to IRVIN or GOREN or something? If, say, they were the unsung hero behind semiconductors or sliced bread, okay, fine. But “writes a bridge column” and “designed a logo?” No thank you.

It’s funny, I often wonder if I tend to like puzzles more when I have an easier time of them. I’m sure that’s somewhat true, but this puzzle has me feeling grumpy about a PB time because it didn’t come with that whooshy feeling - I don’t feel like I ever got in the constructor’s wavelength, but it all dropped right in nonetheless. Ah well, maybe next Thursday.

Anonymous 8:21 AM  

Too easy. No bite. Bleh

Brian 8:24 AM  

A little unsettling to to have Germany be dead center in the puzzle, along with Set Free, Train, and Nein….

Rug Crazy 8:26 AM  

1999....really?

jberg 8:41 AM  

Yeah CORE was anticlimactic, but the theme helped me guess VERY and FIND from CISCO _E __, so that was fun. But I couldn't make any sense out of AM I GERMANY? RON!

I had a brief moment of bridge playing when I was in college (1960-64); GOREN was big then, partly because he'd devised a widely-used point system for deciding if your hand merited a bid. I think bridge players today (and they are legion) probably will know him. IRVIN goes back a little further; if you read the New Yorker you know Eustace Tilley, but that doesn't mean you know who first drew him in 1925 (I certainly didn't). But the crosses are fair enough.

Many years ago my wife got tired of looking at my DIY haircuts (they looked fine in the front, but apparently not in the back) and took me along to her hairdresser. He took one look at me and said, "ED HARRIS, I'm thinking." It meant nothing to me, but I like what he came up with, and now I remember his name.

As for ORRIS root -- in my 20s I had excruciating sinus headaches. I actually had (very painful) surgery to remove a cyst from one sinus, but it didn't help. Finally I was sent to an allergist who asked me a few questions and then rattled off a list of things I was allergic to, and should learn to avoid. One was "cheap perfume," which turns out to be based on orris root -- so I'll never forget that one, either.

Early sign of dementia: I'm looking at NY GIANTS and thinking, "Didn't they move to San Francisco?"

Malapop: I had I meAN NO, looked at eNI going down, and thought Aha! Enid!
Nope -- but there it was at 55D.

@Rex, I'm glad you're enjoying your vacation! But I'm glad I'm not in the house next door to that loud music!

Cassieopia 8:45 AM  

Second day in a row where I could hardly type fast enough, the clueing was so easy. Did not set a PR but was only 60 seconds shy.

The theme was cute, more on a Tuesday level.

Whatsername 9:12 AM  

Certainly a solid puzzle and satisfying to finish but completely underwhelming theme for Thursday. Can’t blame the constructor for that in any case but especially when he himself said he thought it would be run on a Tuesday. I would have opted to drop it right smack the middle on Wednesday and I think it would’ve been perfect. But no complaints, still a job well done.

@Rex P: You made a very wise decision to vacation in the far north this summer while the rest of the country swelters. I looked up your weather and saw highs in the 60s. Mind you, that’s from where I sit getting ready for another day of upper 90s and looking at the triple-digit forecast for next week. Oh well, at least I don’t have to pay the PRICE for a tropical vacation this year. I’ll just go take a steam bath in the back yard. AAH


Ride the Reading 9:12 AM  

Agree on too easy for Thursday, though not quite a personal record here. Recorded "Jules and Jim" recently. Plus, Oskar Werner was a guest killer on "Columbo." Knocks off his mother-in-law, in a gadget-filled house.

Had a little trouble with Lime+Rick=Verse. Was stuck on Lime Rock Park, race track in Connecticut. With Cons and Train, but nothing yet 59A, wanted cell or jail at 59. Yeah, looking back, that doesn't make sense, really. Con and constrain. Oh, well.

RooMonster 9:12 AM  

Hey All !
Pretty neat concept. I imagine seeing the + and = signs hiding in the Blockers. We needed some NYT's Puzimation at the end, changing the Blockers to + and =. Missed opportunity.

Nice to find words that can split up and make other words, so you don't end up with jibberish in the grid.

Agree with Rex about the Center NameGate. Holy moly, obscure much? GOREN, IRVIN, OSKAR? Yikes. Luckily GERMANY was sussoutable. Nyet for NEIN not helping me either.

Different kind of ThursPuz. I'm sure others will find other word + word = something in here. We're a clever lot.

This puz seems @Gary Jugert-ish. Your Uniclues are contagious. Har.

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 9:20 AM  

As a Minnesotan, just want to say that I hope your stay in around Grand Marais is lovely! I'd recommend checking out Fika coffee and World's Best Donuts. I've also heard that Angry Trout is supposed to be good.

Sir Hillary 9:30 AM  

Fun, but not difficult enough for a Thursday. Not sure why they needed the complete equations; clue it as 17-Across + 18-Across -- or maybe even just 17 + 18 -- and let us figure it out.

Easy clue for UPCCODE, but I enjoyed it.

dEnMArk before GERMANY; I probably conflated Gummi Bears with Swedish Fish and went to Scandinavia. The NYGIANTS provided a quick fix though.

My favorite EDHARRIS role is still John Glenn in "The Right Stuff" forty years ago. He so captures Glenn's squeaky-clean image, and his frustration at having to remain "forthright, gracious and magnanimous" stands in hilarious contrast to Fred Ward's Gus Grissom, who just grunts "fu--in' A right". Almost as funny as Harry Shearer and Jeff Goldblum puking over the side of the Navy ship. One of my all-time favorite films.

Anonymous 9:30 AM  

I sure hope EPICENTER=CORE isn’t trying to be a plate tectonics answer, as if to suggest that earthquakes originate in the earth’s core. That’s about 4,000 miles from being true.

Anonymous 9:40 AM  

Nice puzzle. AWESOME house!

Bill 9:42 AM  

On your way back down the shore stop and get a pie (and/or food) at Rustic Inn in lovely Castle Danger, MN. Pies are much better than Betty's!

Masked and Anonymous 9:44 AM  

yep. The constructioneer even commented, over at xwordinfo.chen, that he thought it would rate as a TuesPuz, in difficulty.
I'd maybe split the difference, since it had lotsa potential no-know names and LACTASE, that it might rate as a WedPuz.
Anyhoo … primo thème idea.

staff weeject pick: AMI. Since it's part of a very friendly ThursPuz.

Thanx for the smooth Thursday ride, Mr. Gilioli dude. Nice job, no matter where it landed.

Masked & Anonymo2Us


**gruntz**

Anonymous 9:44 AM  

I was happy to be presented with no Naticks in that proper noun pile-up you mentioned.

Gary Jugert 9:46 AM  

I asked myself if the tangle of proper nouns in the center of the puzzle was absolutely necessary in service of the theme, or was it poor construction and editing? I did end up using the theme to help backfill some of the unknowns, but I will bet plenty of would-be solvers will give up in exasperation with 12 proper nouns often crossing one another. It's too many. It's a Thursday failing to Thurz. I haven't read the comments yet, but I am positive there will be a lot of grumbling, and here 🦖 is taking time away from his vacation for this puzzle. Save the parade of D-Listers for Saturdays. And then don't do them then either.

People I kinda know: VINCE, RON, ELI, and LISA

People I don't know and won't know next time because I solved without research: RICK, ED HARRIS, GOREN, IRVIN, OSKAR, ORRIS and ENID as clued (although all four-letter Oklahoma towns in crosswords are ENID and it apparently has a noteworthy silo).

Loved seeing BRAILLE and CANASTA. I once played canasta with my sister-in-law and watched her grow from mild-mannered and vaguely sarcastic to aggressive, tyrannical, paranoid, and psychopathic as the pile grew. It's all about the pile in canasta,especially later in the game when the meld requirements become outrageous.

Wasn't tricked by the meta-NINES clues. I normally get boxed out on those type of clues. Kinda proud of that little victory.

Uniclues:

1 Setting for The Bachelor (hubba hubba).
2 Remove the wifi password.
3 More sliced and cured meats on your ninth day of a German vacation.
4 Surprise discovery of cats under the porch.
5 Jebadiah's puncture wound after a pitchfork battle over turnips.
6 ... since all the patsies were over there.

1 POOL USED ON AIR (~)
2 SET FREE ACCESS
3 NEIN PILE
4 OOPS, TIMID TOMS
5 AMISH SNIT OWIE (~)
6 RIOTED OVER HERE (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Where Hakim Abul-Majd Majdūd ibn Ādam Ghaznavi sold pies. SANAI BAKERY.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pabloinnh 9:54 AM  

Tooling along with a minor slowdown at IRVIN (who?) and didn't bother looking for the gimmick until CONS+TRAIN=BIND, at which point I thought, that's it? On a Thursday? Oh.

I learned how to play CANASTA from the family I lived with in Spain. It was a Sunday afternoon ritual Me and papa vs. mama and a family aunt. The dad and I would smoke big cigars and have some brandy or something. Such were the times. My favorite part of the game was learning that wild cards were called "monos" (monkeys).

LIME+RICK had me thinking the sum was going to be something involving a LIME RICKEY, but no. Another of those drinks I've heard of but never tried.

OK THhursdecito, GG, and well-executed. But Goodness Gracious, not nearly challenging enough. Thanks for some lightweight fun.

Anonymous 10:09 AM  

agree about UPC CODE ugh
Up there with Chai Tea (hat tip to Across the Spiderverse)

Nancy 10:23 AM  

It's Thursday. I kept waiting for this to get harder. It simply has to, I thought.

For a brief moment it looked like it had. I saw the first +/= clue and then I saw that there were more +/= clues. Uh oh, Nancy, be careful what you wish for, I thought. It's going to be math-y. I'm not in the mood this morning for math-y.

But no. It's a wordplay theme and it's absolutely charming. My favorite puzzle type.

But it should have run on a Tuesday or a Wednesday at the latest. Or -- an even better solution: Make the non-theme clues considerably harder and run it on Thursday. Yes, I like this second solution a lot more.

It's much too lovely a theme to be wasted on a puzzle with no challenge. You don't even have to change the grid. Just change the clues. A nice crunchy puzzle with this theme would have been great.

burtonkd 10:30 AM  

Could we get a link to a spotify playlist for this vacation? Sounds like a lot of good time merriment for a week in a cabin.

burtonkd 10:36 AM  

I didn't get the equation part until the puzzle was over, because everything filled in without it except for ORR_S, but the guess of "I" gave me the happy music. Funny that it doesn't ring a bell, but ORRISroot does.

RP nailed it today. Would EDHARRIS be on the A list, or B+/A- in terms of recognizability? It seems like he was in everything for a while there, probably a C by now...

My flock was shEep, maybe thinking church, but easily fixed. Names slowed down the middle, but ultimately worked out with the crosses, thanks to all the negativity with NEIN over ITSANO, and an assist from CONS.

DrBB 10:37 AM  

"Department of Redundancy Department"

It pleases me as a huge fan of the Firesign Theater that this expression lives on when few remember its origin. Similar to there being a band called "Death Cab for Cutie"--Imagine my disappointment at learning they were not a tribute band doing homage to the genius of Viv Stanshall and Neil Innes through immaculate covers of "Urban Spaceman" and "In the Canyons of Your Mind." But at least in some form their absurdity lives on beyond them.

egsforbreakfast 10:41 AM  

This one could have really left solvers scratching their heads by using a bit of mathematical manipulation. For example, suppose that 17A(EPIC) was clued as 19A minus 18A. Further suppose that 18A (CORE) was clued conventionally, perhaps something like “Appleseed bearer”. So you have to figure out that CORE - ENTER = EPIC. The crosses would give you the correct answer, but figuring out why it was correct would be a big, big AHA!!! The “Solved as a themeless” comments would be EPIC.

Seems like ELI, sitting right next to NYGIANTS was a missed cluing opportunity.

If any of you would like to date EDHARRIS, you should ASKEDOUT.

Suggestion for @Rex and friends: Tell Alexa to play The Big Chill. That’s the vibe I’m getting from this vacay.

Good puzzle, wrong day. Still fun. Thanks, Guilherme Gilioli.

Nancy 11:15 AM  

Even though I'm a wine drinker, I immediately made the correct association with the "usually cheaper than vintage" clue and wrote in USED with no hesitation. This is almost certainly because I know the ginormous difference in price between clothing sold at thrift shops (used) and clothing sold at Resale shops like "Michael's" on New York's Upper East Side (vintage). You might get a lined linen jacket in excellent condition at the former for somewhere between $15 and $49. At the latter, the price would probably be between $200 and $800, depending on the designer.

"$800 for a used jacket????!!!!" you howl in disbelief.

They sniff at you. Poor, poor thing who obviously knows nothing whatsoever about high end fashion. "It was $4,500 when new," they explain. But they really don't care. Their regular customer who does know has just walked through the front door.

This reminds me of a great New Yorker cartoon I saw once. You see a corner shop with a sign that says:

"We buy old furniture. We sell antiques."

Masked and Anonymous 11:16 AM  

p.s.
As an occasional constructioneer, I notice that the two central theme answers do sit pretty closely to one another. Then U get 9 Down answers that have to pass thru both of them themers. I can see why that puzgrid design could produce some constraints on the fill … in this case generatin several names, where there ain't any usable alternative real words.
Sooo … U get a OSKAR/RICK/IRVIN/EDHARRIS/GOREN string, to help successfully dig out of fillin that central region. [RICK also bein part of a themer line, of course.]

I'm sure tho that the constructioneer tried movin the themers around some, and maybe this was the best fit he could find for em all. But, hey -- the resultin Ow de Speration was only a slight ding, as ThursPuzs go.

DUNG + EON = BASEMENT. har, that's bad. Best M&A could do, on short notice.

M&Also

jb129 11:33 AM  

I agree with Guilherme on xwordinfo & most of the commenters that it would have been a Tuesday puzzle.

But fun to solve, Guilherme - thank you!

Jmorgie 11:34 AM  

HUGE error in definitions: while everyone seems to want epicenter to be some sort of super or uber center it in fact means the opposit! Epicenter was invented by geophysicists [scientists] to refer to a locale which is NOT the center but rather the closest place to the center that a person could actually get to. thus, if an earthquake occurs 35 miles below San Francisco that is the center of the quake is 35 miles below the surface; we say the epicenter is SF because that is the point on the surface of the earth we can get to that is closest to the center but it is NOT the center. errors on both the creastor and editor who ought to model correct language.

Chip Hilton 11:37 AM  

Far too easy for a Thursday. Cute with the groups of two plus one, but little else. OSKAR Werner starred in a favorite guilty-pleasure movie of mine, “Interlude”, about a classical conductor frolicking with a charming young reporter. Mid ‘60’s, I think, with a glorious score.

Eater of Sole 11:40 AM  

I first saw "Department of Redundancy Department" in a New Yorker cartoon. But in my nearly 60 seconds of deep research I can't determine if that predates the Firesign Theater album. Based on my rough age in this rough memory, I'd guess they happened at very nearly the same time.

GILL I. 11:41 AM  

I like to parse things out when they're fun. Perhaps my being in a good mood? I helped my 5 year old granddaughter make some bodacious cupcakes with peanut butter and jelly toppings. After she left I had the honor of cleaning up PBJ on the kitchen counter, the fridge, the floor and the oven. Then I came to this puzzle and said "Que fun."
Like @Mack 8:02 I spent quite a bit of time wondering why 1A involved a dirty POOL. Someone mentioned BOMB - which I, too, first thought of, then dismissed - "too depressing" said I. Move on.
Ah...EPIC ENTER CORE. You morphed into EPICENTER. OCHO stars from me. I'm still being bother by a POOL being dirty...
My favorite? LIME VERSE RICK. I asked my Scouser spouse if he knew one he could think of before going to bed:

The thoughts of the rabbit on sex
Are seldom, if ever, complex
For a rabbit in need
Is a rabbit indeed
And does just as a person expects.

I think I stared at him for an hour before bed time....Rabbits???????

On to the puzzle...Yes, it was a bit name heavy and it was a bit easy for a Thursday, but I liked it just fine.
@Rex....Sounds like you're having lots of fun. Thanks for The Bee Gees - Staying' Alive...I'll sing that before going to bed.

Anonymous 11:50 AM  

@GILL, "rabbit" because "man" doesn't scan right

Newboy 11:53 AM  

I’m holding with the great Tuesday crowd and heading out to Daily Crossword Links after a brief pause at xwordinfo. At least OSKAR crossed GERMANY & ESTÁ OCHO recalling Español math gave a CORE EPIC ENTER ACCESS for international solvers. Thanks Guilherme for keeping the NYT in your focus. I liked your Bent Spoons debut grid better than today’s, but I do enjoy how your twisted mind works👏🏼

mathgent 11:59 AM  

To the many who wanted the puzzle to be harder, may this be your greatest disappointment of the day.

There was almost a fourth themer. 50A and 53A begin ITS A NO BRA...




SarahK 12:40 PM  

Had 'Hershey' for 'Germany', but nein. I thought maybe they sold the recipe to Haribo. I do love gummy bears! Thanks for the Abba video. I couldn't stop watching, so good and bad! Sort of like a gummy bear.

Masked and Anonymous 1:01 PM  

p.p.s.s.

@Nancy darlin had a real good point, about the clues needin some toughenin up, for a ThursPuz rodeo.
I mean, shoot -- I couldn't spot a single ?-marker clue!

Makes m&e wonder, if this was some kinda last-minute decision, to splatz this puz into a ThursPuz slot.
Still … it was lotsa fun.

M&Also II

Teedmn 1:09 PM  

"Cracklin' Rosie" - I never got that song until I finally Googled it and got the following info on Wikipedia. They label it apocryphal, but it fills all the holes in the lyrics that I questioned:

"The stories about how Diamond was inspired to write the song are apocryphal. "Crackling Rosé" is the name of an inexpensive sparkling wine once produced by Andres Wines of British Columbia, Canada, which was popular among the Indigenous population. One story suggests that Diamond heard a story about a native Canadian tribe while doing an interview in Toronto, Canada—the tribe had more men than women, so the lonely men of the tribe would sit around the fire and drink their wine together—which inspired him to write the song."

I happened to love the clue for UPC CODE, redundancy shremundancy. And I didn't like IT'S A NO very much. So it goes.

Thanks, Guilherme, nice puzzle.

Carola 1:10 PM  

Definitely on the easy side for a Thursday. Still, it took me a bit to get the first theme answer; after that, understanding the pattern was helpful in getting RICK (v. RoCK) and making short work of the last two phrases. It was interesting to hear about the constructor's own assessment.

Do-over: LACToSE x ooH. No idea: IRVIN.

okanaganer 1:28 PM  

Anecdote about EPICENTER... one night at 3 am I was awakened by a colossal BOOM! I was sure a gigantic bomb had gone off nearby, but there were no sirens or anything. The next morning I found out it was an earthquake; only about 1.5 on the Richter scale, but the epicenter was a mere 5 km from my house!

Alice Pollard 1:30 PM  

no write overs, no Naticks, Wednesdayish time. I could not come up w EDHARRIS fast enough. I am not sure if I have ever seen Pollack and Jim Carrey’s mug comes to mind and blocks everything else out when I think of The Truman Show. I wanted LACTAid before LACTASE.

SharonAK 1:34 PM  


Surprised to find some listing Goren as an obscure name. I am not a bridge player - never learned, but Goren's name was very familiar to me.

Agree with Nancy and others that theme was fun and agree that puzzle was surprisingly easy.

Regor , thanks for the limerick

ac 1:43 PM  

best part of puzzle was imagining Rex being driven mad at 10am by ravers.... laugh emoji insert here

Jeremy 1:56 PM  

This was not my favourite puzzle, for reasons that have already been mentioned. I hated the redundancy of UPCCODE, the pile-up of names in the middle was a bit much, CORE doesn’t really seem like a valid answer for epicentre, and the clue for 49D confused the Showcase Showdown with the Showcase itself.

old timer 2:26 PM  

Yeah, this was a Thursday that failed to Thurs. And a lot of the names were pure guesses for me.

My nit: You RERACK the balls to play POOL. No need to do so with billiards, which has only three balls.

Did anyone else see CHEVY and immediately start singing the chorus to American Pie? Them good old boys on the levee were drinking whiskey and rye, and, given the age of the commentariat here, probably saying "This'll be the day that I DYE".

I had no trouble with GOREN. His book was as sacred as the Bible in my house, where my other diligently taught be to play bridge. (My grandma, in contrast, was a CANASTA nut and taught be to play so I could be a fourth when her old lady besties came over. I got pretty good, but when she moved on to Bolivia, I was a tad confused.

burtonkd 3:22 PM  

@old timer: Specifically, pool and billiards are different games, as you say, but "billiards" is also a general term that includes pool, billiards and snooker.

Dorkito Supremo 4:23 PM  

For the record, not all Scottish Folds have the folded ears. See Furgus (get it?) in my profile pic, for example.

Liveprof 4:26 PM  

So these two life-long friends, Pete and Louie, make a pact that when the first one of them dies, he'll come back after a year and tell the other what the afterlife is like. Years go by and Pete slips on a banana peel (badly) and dies. A year later Louie is waiting up, nervously, hoping to hear from Pete. But it's midnight, then 1 am, and there's nothing, so he falls asleep.

A few hours later, it's pitch dark and he hears "PSST, PSST, Louie." And he wakes up and says "Pete! You came back!! So what's it like?" And Pete says, "Well, I get up in the morning, have sex, and then have a little breakfast. Then I have sex again, and then again, and then I have lunch. After lunch, I have sex again, and then again, and then dinner. And then there's sex one more time and I go to sleep."

And Louie says, "Wow, so that's really what heaven is like?" And Pete says, "Who said anything about heaven? -- I'm a rabbit in Colorado."

(I was reminded of that joke by Gill's rabbit limerick.)

My Neil Diamond story. When visiting my son in Annie Arbor about ten years ago, we shot up to Lansing to take in a minor league baseball game: the Lansing Lugnuts. One of the draws was that a Neil Diamond impersonator was going to perform after the game. Despite the high cost of the tickets (maybe $6?) we had to go. I was expecting he'd set up around home plate after the game and serenade the crowd of maybe a thousand or two. But I was wrong. Just about 25 of us were shunted off to a spot on the sidewalk outside the stadium where this little guy was set up with a microphone. He was great!! He introduced each song with a little history "Neil wrote this in . . . when he was . . . " and he had a decent voice. He played up to some of the older women, in a nice way. They took pictures with him. I still have fond memories.

Anoa Bob 5:02 PM  

I agree with @Jmorgie 11:34 and others that EPICENTER does not necessarily mean CORE. The first definition for EPICENTER in my trusty hardcopy Random House Webster's College Dictionary is "a point directly above the true center of disturbance, from which the shock waves of an earthquake apparently radiate".

The second definition, however, does equate EPICENTER with CORE as "a focal point, as of activity; center. < Gk epikentros on the center." The online Merriam-Webster lists CORE as one of the synonyms for EPICENTER and gives examples of "Wall Street might be said to lie at the epicenter of the financial world" and "by continually reinventing itself, Las Vegas has managed to remain a national epicenter for entertainment".

@Gill I., "dirty" POOL here refers not to a swimming POOL but rather to the game of POOL, another term for pocket billiards. Some strategies in POOL, like playing the cue ball so that it winds up in a position where one's opponent has no open shot, is sometimes called dirty pool. That expression has generalized to any situation where someone resorts to devious or underhanded tactics to gain advantage.

Another example of dirty POOL is when one's opponent gives a loose or misaligned RACK in pocket billiards before the break. If the player breaking notices this, they usually will ask for a 9D RERACK.

Anonymous 5:05 PM  

It’s a Thursday, no really hateful gimmicks, so I’m happy with the puzzle and the solve.

GILL I. 9:17 PM  

@Anoa...Well thank you. I think I've played POOL twice. The first time I put a little hole on the table. The second time, the cue ball rebounded for some reason and hit some guy sneering at me. I think that's what I might call dirty pool.

Anonymous 1:25 PM  

You don’t need to be talking about earthquakes or geology to use the word.

spacecraft 10:19 AM  

I really do not want our constructor to FEELBAD, but..., well, hang on to that day job, OK?

VERY boxy, 4x4 corners, one of which (NE) I almost didn't get out of, thanks to 10 down. Lesee, can't be BARCODE, because BAR is in the clue. "Can't" be UPCCODE, because the C IS CODE. What then? Oh, one of the cant's. So there you have it.

Also, 50 across. The expression is "That's a no," not ITSANO. Horrible. PPPs, already done to death here. A bridge aficionado, I just happen to know GOREN, but realize how hard it would be to ACCESS that name to one who isn't. People might have better luck with "D'Onofrio's detective." Double-bogey.

Wordle birdie.

Anonymous 10:40 AM  

Took a bit of time to decipher the gimmick, but after that it was smooth sailing. Pretty easy for a Thursday.

Burma Shave 1:02 PM  

NO TASTE

The EPICENTER of this VERSE?
IT'S VERY hard to FIND.
Don't FEELBAD, CONSTRAINt is worse,
IT puts you IN A BIND.

--- OSKAR IRVIN GOREN

rondo 1:09 PM  

Wha did I FIND best about this puz? Answer: RON. No write-overs but who's been GOREN your ox?
Wordle bogey, too many tries at BGGBG.

Anonymous 4:04 PM  

I really do think the NYT is going with dumb-downed clues to attract xword neophytes, because yesterday and today the puzzles have been very very easy.

Anonymous 4:25 PM  

Telling us that "upc code" is redundant is redundant, in and of itself, since redundancies happen in languages all the time. Just ask the ATM machine.

Diana, LIW 8:00 PM  

Well, well - a Thursday "trick" I could get and that helped the solve. There ARE miracles.

And yes UPC code repeats itself redundantly again.

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords

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