Kind of jam in a Sacher torte / MON 10-12-26 / "Clemency" actress Woodard / Celtics legend nicknamed "The Hick from French Lick" / "Jurassic Park" insect casing / Movie princess with "space buns" / Explosive block in Minecraft

Monday, October 12, 2026

Constructor: Zhouqin Burnikel

Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging (**solved Downs-only**)

[31A: Movie princess with "space buns" = LEIA]

THEME: OUT ON A LIMB (58A: Positioned precariously ... or where the ends of 16-, 24-, 35- and 49-Across can all be found) — two-word phrases where the second word is something you might find on a tree limb:

Theme answers:
  • NISSAN LEAF (16A: Electric vehicle from Japan)
  • MARE'S NEST (24A: Total mess)
  • MOOD SWING (35A: Unpredictable emotional shift)
  • LARRY BIRD (49A: Celtics legend nicknamed "The Hick from French Lick")
Word of the Day: Clemency (8D: "Clemency" actress Woodard = ALFRE) —

Clemency is a 2019 American drama film written and directed by Chinonye Chukwu. It stars Alfre Woodard, Richard Schiff, Danielle Brooks, Michael O'Neill, Richard Gunn, Wendell Pierce, and Aldis Hodge. The plot follows the lives of prison warden Bernadine Williams (Woodard) and death row inmate Anthony Woods (Hodge).

Clemency had its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival, where it won the Grand Jury Prize for U.S. Dramatic Competition, on January 27, 2019 and was theatrically released in the United States by Neon on December 27, 2019. The film received acclaim from critics, who lauded Woodard's performance, as well as Chukwu's direction and screenplay. It earned nominations for Best Feature, Best Female Lead (for Woodard), and Best Screenplay (for Chukwu) at the 35th Independent Spirit Awards and Best Actress in a Leading Role (for Woodard) at the 74th British Academy Film Awards.

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A decent but slightly ho-hum theme elevated by a raft of 7s in the corners that kept the grid interesting. Also, it's a nice touch to have all the limb-related things be non-limb-related in their respective answers (i.e. the leaf isn't the kind on a tree, the nest isn't a bird's nest, the swing is not one you swing from, and the bird is a human being). Solving it Downs-only got a little hairy in places. Of the eight 7s, only three of them came easily to me (SASHIMI, TROTSKY, AMENITY). Took a few beats to get LEISURE—love the clue, but it's a bit of a thinker (2D: It isn't working). Seems like the kind that should have a "!" on the end. That's customary with one of these "it" clues that use a common saying (e.g. [Step on it!]) in order to get at an expected and very literal meaning of it (answers to [Step on it!] have ranged from INSOLE to MAT to SCALE). I'm noticing now, though, that editorial practice is remarkably inconsistent on this front. On one Thursday in 2019, for instance, the clue for PEDAL was [Step on it!], with the "!," but on another Thursday just four years later, PEDAL got the same clue, but without the "!" Same day of the week, so I have no idea what gives. Anyway, the "!" is the way I'm used to seeing this brand of "it" clue handled, and without it today, it took me a moment to realize that it was the "it" that the clue wanted in 2D: It isn't working (LEISURE). 


The clue for "CORRECT!" threw me because of the "You're" part (10D: "You're right!"). I mean, ["Right!"] would've worked just as well. I was looking for some phrase or expression that clearly related to the "You're," but no dice. The hardest of the 7s for me were the two in the SW. Totally forgot what jam was in a Sacher torte and could think only of things ending -BERRY. As for a flower named after a drink, I was at a loss completely. That whole corner got very dicey as a result. I didn't even have AMBER because I was thinking the "insect casing" was part of the insect, like an exoskeleton (32D: "Jurassic Park" insect casing). This left a gaping hole in the SW that was hard to infer Acrosses across. I would've been a lot faster if I'd been able to make any sense of L---Y BIRD. LARRY BIRD Was My Favorite Player When I Was A Kid!!! And yet all my brain could see was LOONY BIRD (?) or LUCKY BIRD (!?) (which is not a thing, but I definitely wondered if it was). Eventually I was like "D'oh! LARRY!" And then I got AMBER and APRICOT and things came together.


I was prepared to be mad at the theme early on because it looked like some kind of bird/nest thing was developing (LEAF, NEST ...) and so I thought the third theme element was WING. "You can't do that! You can't have the other theme parts be stand-alones and then have one of them be part of a word! Boo!" But then in the end, I realized that it was SWING, not WING, that was thematic. So I retracted my "Boo!" 


Bullets:
  • 23A: Signaling, as a performer (CUING) — this word looks so weird. I wrote in LEISURE, saw that it gave me CUING in the cross, and promptly retracted LEISURE—that's how unwordlike CUING looked to me. Like a sound effect more than a word. But I did ultimately realize that it was CUE + -ING.
  • 43D: Went hog wild (RAN AMOK) — another fairly tough 7 to crack. Wanted it to end in -ED until I was able to infer that -OK at the end.
  • 59D: Reason for overtime (TIE) — total mystery to me for many seconds, despite my having the "T" in place, because I was imagining the "overtime" as work-, not sports-related. "Reason for overtime? Uh, you need more money and it pays time and a half? There's extra work to be done? The boss asked? ... How is this a three-letter word!?!?!"

That's all for today. See you next time.

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69 comments:

Gary Jugert 1:57 AM  

Sin consecuencias, sin problemas. {I doubt anybody ever said this.}

So, in my head they couldn't possibly continue the weekend Gunkapalooza after a four-day run of 50 names, 13 places, 24 products, 35 partials, and 19 foreignisms. It feels like they'd been building up a gooey mess of trivia waiting for the right weekend when they opened some oozy faucet and let fly the gunk of ages.

In my mind, Monday would mean a return of a well edited mannerly grids and a sense the weekend was a ruse. And then BLAMMO! Seventeen names on a Monday. 17. That's septendecim in Latin. We plebs have only begun to see the power of the dark side from the minds at the NYTXW.

Sweet little theme to distract from the enormous group photo in this puzzle, but sadly there's no limb accouterments from a chainsaw maniac's shed.

I've never heard of a MARE'S NEST. Those 16th century jokers really knew how to stir things up. Comedy is timeless.

The clue for ARM makes the rude assumption that a sleeve must be employed to make it past the editors. The contents of a sleeve in its natural environment is air until some colonizer arrives and forces it into a capitalist system.

Gunkometer--
People: 17 {who's yer daddy?}
Places: 0
Products: 4
Partials: 4
Foreignisms: 2
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 27 of 78 (35%)

Funny Factor: 1 ๐Ÿคจ

Uniclues:

1 Making out in the back seat of a plugger.
2 When a gun powder keg becomes a political solution.
3 A Coke that costs $50.
4 A bottle of whiskey on the pillow. I mean really, what am I supposed to do with a chocolate mint?
5 Why Stalin murdered a Mexican gardener with an ice axe.

1 NISSAN LEAF EROS
2 TNT PLOY BOOST
3 ASPEN SODA
4 CORRECT AMENITY
5 TROTSKY RAN AMOK

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Dutch circus performer. WENT FIFTY FIFTY FLEA.

¯\_(ใƒ„)_/¯

jae 2:12 AM  

Easy. No WOEs and no costly erasures.

Solid theme, no junk, a bit of Broadway, a little NBA, the obligatory Star Wars, fun solve, liked it.

Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #1155 was an easy-medium Croce for me. The NW and SE corners offered the most resistance. I just now kinda got 1d. Good luck!

ac 3:40 AM  

fab NY state of mind sing a long from the chat on ny times puzzle today enjoy! https://youtu.be/1icTIQC91Xs?si=5kT88661lANiKDIO

Anonymous 5:32 AM  

I figured out the theme and guessed APRICOT CORRECTly, downs-only, but that wasn’t nearly enough. Surprisingly (not really) I didn’t know IDINA Menzel, SARA Bareils or ALFRE Woodard. Coupled with the non-Monday clueing, those names made my downs-only solve impossible. Hated it.

Lewis 5:40 AM  

My five favorite original clues from last week
(in order of appearance):

1. Something inside or outside a wine bar? (3)
2. Device geared to draw rotationally symmetrical shapes (10)
3. It's a lot for one person to take (5)(6)
4. Determine the going price? (3)(4)
5. Anti-matter? (9)


CAB
SPIROGRAPH
GROUP SELFIE
SET BAIL
POINTLESS

Lewis 5:42 AM  

My favorite encore clues from last week:

[In the way of] (3)
[Flakes out?] (5)


ALA
SNOWS

Wanderlust 6:30 AM  

This was so hard for me solving downs-only, and I had two fails. I had sO gREaT for “You’re right.” The crosses all worked (AsTI, EgOS and PEaK). It didn’t sound … so great … to me, but I wasn’t seeing CORRECT. That one, I was able to work out without peeking at across clues, but when I still didn’t get happy music, I could not find my other error without cheating. I had drS for the ER workers and, again, the crosses worked (HARd and MAr). I had to go through the across answers to find that one.

But I loved the challenges of working through other tricky corners downs-only. Like Rex, I really struggled with LEISURE, TEA ROSE and APRICOT (I did get RAN AMOK easily). But great feeling of accomplishment when I worked them out.

Now on to two days that are kind of disappointing, challenge-wise.

Anonymous 6:49 AM  

17 names! I nearly quit in disgust and will soon quit altogether. My only hope is that somebody from NYT reads you in this blog and stops this onslaught of trivia gunk.

Son Volt 7:04 AM  

CC can really hammer these cute but sophisticated early week grids. The theme works and is well revealed - OUT ON A LIMB is one of the highlights here. Was not familiar with MARES NEST.

Dreadful WIND And Rain

Any puzzle with quaking ASPEN has my heart. Rex summarizes the fill nicely. TEA ROSE, TROTSKY, RAN AMOK, APRICOT are all wonderful early week fare. Second day in a row with CAL. Stalwarts like EPEE, ESOS and OTOE get hidden well.

Joan Armatrading

Enjoyable Monday morning solve.

OUT ON A LIMB

Lewis 7:05 AM  

I took a post-solve look at MARE’S NEST, because while I’ve heard the phrase before, it’s not a phrase I’ve ever used. It has two disparate meanings.

The more widespread meaning is how it’s clued today – a confused mess.

But I also like its original meaning: a false discovery, where someone has found something remarkable, then it turns out to be worthless. That is, a misconception. This meaning makes sense, because mares don’t build nests. Two classic example are the Martian Canals and the Piltdown Man.

Everyday examples include the belief that “premium” fuel will improve the performance of a standard economy vehicle, and the belief that we only use 10% of our brains.

Thank you, Zhoukin, for this TIL, as well as a grand time trying to guess the revealer (I failed, but the effort happified my brain), and on top of that, a lovely journey through a high-quality puzzle, with its nailed-it Monday cluing and answer set. Just a terrific start to the day.

Anonymous 7:26 AM  

Very easy without even noticing the theme EXCEPT for a Natick at NissanleaF and alFre. Never heard of either. Perhaps if I had noticed the theme, I might have infered leaf.

Anonymous 7:28 AM  

As someone who solves puzzles the usual way, I found this puzzle to be quite interesting and easy (especially since I find Zhouqin’s puzzles to be on the hard side).๐ŸŽˆ๐ŸŽˆ๐ŸŽŠ๐ŸŽŠ

Anonymous 7:39 AM  

Since ALFRE isn’t a name I’ve heard and MARESNEST isn’t a phrase I’ve heard, I was naticked…on a Monday. Bad form, editors. Bad form.

Anonymous 7:43 AM  

The first two have been in the puzzle many times.

RooMonster 7:45 AM  

Hey All !
Nice to read Rex having an off-brain day. It happens. Silly brain. ๐Ÿ˜

Typical easy MonPuz. Typical words-ending Theme. Typical CC good puz!

Not being critical, as CC gets many puzs published, whereas I have none, but it seems the four Cheater squares could easily have been taken out and the puz tweaked slightly. Like the TEED/INK cross, change TIE to TIA, OCD to OCT, add an S at the Blocker, you get INKS Down and TEATS Across. Although, that might bring the ire of @Anoa Bob. Har. Same with INSETS/PECKS. The other two would require a bit more tweaking, but you wouldn't have to tear out large sections to fix. Just sayin. ๐Ÿคช

Anyway, liked it Good omen for the weeks puzs upcoming.

Hope y'all have a great Monday!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Liveprof 8:04 AM  

I'm trying to get up to 10%.

DAVinHOP 8:05 AM  

@Gary, Nothing against Rex's write-up, but your comments today are worth the price of admission alone. LOL'd at "enormous group photo". Great stuff!

DAVinHOP 8:22 AM  

Failed at Downs only because HARd and MAr (acrosses), both valid words that worked with drS (some ER workers) at 44D. We focused on whether IDINA (Menzel, whom we didn't know) was wrong. Easily fixed once we ran through the Across clues.

Filling in NISSAN LEAF and LARRY BIRD made us recognize the theme, which was a good one as Rex explained. Never heard of a MARE'S NEST, but all of the Downs were in place, so it had to be right, however...dated?

Thanks, Rex for 3:13 of joy watching Larry Bird highlights, though far from a complete anthology and IMO not even some of his best moments. Unfortunately Bird's career ended far too soon (chronic back injury) and the Celtics went 22 years (long after LB retired) after his last championship in 1986 before winning again. My, that was a long time ago.

mmorgan 8:31 AM  

CC’s puzzles are always a pleasure. I did pretty well downs-only, but as usual, toward the end of my solve, I had to look at a few across clues.

Katie Sievers 8:32 AM  

There were WAY too many names in this puzzle in my opinion. I really didn't enjoy it at all.

jberg 8:47 AM  

I know ALFRE, IDINA, & SARA only from crosswords--but hey, that's what this is, so OK. In my book, using them is preferable to an unusual name that I've never heard of. I guess one could get jaded when one reaches the point of knowing every entry in a puzzle from other puzzles, at which point one can start solving cryptics.

I enjoyed this puzzle, and liked the theme. I wasn't so happy with the superfluous limb (ARM) at 27-A. And with the LEAF in a theme answer, it didn't need to be duplicated in the clue for ASPEN (21-D). ["Quaking"] tree would have been sufficient.

As for MARE'S NEST--Lewis is, as usual, very fair and objective, but I am a hard-liner on changing the meanings of metaphors. A mare's nest does not exist, therefore it is not messy, a fortiori (to flash back a couple of days). It's a great discovery which is proclaimed but later revealed to be either a mistake or a hoax. "Hey, I found a MARE'S NEST!" "Yeah, I bet." But that's just me, alas. Dictionary.com gives "mess" it as a second meaning. And it's only the cluing, not the term, which I was happy to see.

Anonymous 8:52 AM  

I had a lister instead of all star. Then saw manes and had to correct

Liveprof 9:11 AM  

A NO vote from Mr. Ed: NEIGH.

What did you do at the marathon, and how are you? RANAMOK.

What a beautiful little boy! Is he in Pre-K? No, INK.

Hugh 9:11 AM  

Just chiming in as well in appreciation for @Gary's "Enormous group photo" comment! ๐Ÿ˜Š

Rachel 9:12 AM  

Personally I hate this clue type: "Step on it!" So I'm glad "It isn't working" didn't have an exclamation point at the end. That would have made the answer harder for me to figure out. Also, I think for that clue type to work, the clue needs to be in the imperative? At least, that seems to be the trend in NYT crossword puzzles. I'd prefer to keep it that way so as not to expand the number of clues to which the "!" clue type might apply.

Nancy 9:42 AM  

Uniclues #3 and #4 are inspired, Gary!

EasyEd 9:55 AM  

I didn’t try to add the names up, but did you count PECK?

Hack mechanic 9:55 AM  

Really, what the hell is a maresnest anyway? Never heard nor used it

EasyEd 10:11 AM  

The discussions about MARESNEST sent me down a rabbit hole of “nests”. There are at least two other prominent “nest” references that denote messes—a rat’s nest, and a bird’s nest, the latter more or less focused on fishing line disasters. I would guess that “mare’s nest” came to refer to a mess by association wth the other two, but who really knows—a kind of guilt by association.

Hugh 10:12 AM  

I liked this one a lot. Fun theme, fun themers and a revealer that landed well. Yes, a ton of names, but everything else made up for it.

I am one of the few born and bred New Yorkers who loves LARRYBIRD and that whole Boston team from the '80s, so seeing him as a themer was great fun. Thanks for the clips, @Rex! Non hoops related bit of trivia, Bill Walton (a well known and avid Dead-head) took most of the team to a show once, they seemed to have enjoy it ๐Ÿ˜Š

As @Rex mentioned, the 7's in the corners really perked this one up for me, I loved them all and each was a satisfying journey to parse. Though I do share his reaction to LEISURE, I wanted the exclamation point. That one took a few extra seconds.

Happy to lean the phrase MARESNEST today and thanks @Lewis for the deep-dive. I'm gonna try to stick it in to conversations when I can. There was also something nice in the way SODA and OPENS crossed, it sparked that nice feeling when you pop the tab and hear that nice "pffft" sound in anticipation of that first sip. Reading that now, I'm feeling that I really need to get out more...

I'm always impressed by Zhouqin's puzzles and this was no exception. Thank you for a great start to the work week!

On to Hugh's Monday Haiku:

A daughter ORSON
May LEIA guilt trip on you
A TYKE can be MAD


pabloinnh 10:23 AM  

No downs-only for me which made this one easy enough. No real problems except for IDINA and ALFRE, both names I have seen before in crosswords and vow to remember the next time and promptly forget. Maybe next time.

I think MARESNEST probably skews oldish, as do I. I have heard it used only to describe a mess, I'm probably connecting the sounds of "nest" and "mess".as a way to think about this unlikely phenomenon.

Found out the name of a flower that is connected to a beverage. Don't think I could have come up with one without cruciverbial assistance.

Liked your Monday just fine, CC, but it was a Cascading Cornucopia of names. Thanks for a fair amount of fun.

Dr Random 10:26 AM  

Thanks Lewis—I came to the blog partially to learn what MARE’S NEST was, since I’ve never heard it before. Appreciate the historical explaination!

Teedmn 10:35 AM  

I was so surprised to see @Gary Jugert's name count - I never noticed all the names while solving. Probably because two of them were theme answers, the LEAF and LARRY BIRD. I found the theme quite nice and the puzzle over all very easy but I don't do downs-only solving.

Like Rex, I thought CUING looked weird as it filled in, and thought the clue, "Signaling, as a performer" was awkward. Would it have worked better as "for a performer"? Not likely.

CC, thanks for a fun Monday puzzle!

Anonymous 10:37 AM  

Thanks for that. You should get up early every day!

Dr Random 10:39 AM  

Pretty smooth solve for me (the normal way). I didn’t notice the preponderance of names that Gary points out, so they must have been mostly fairly crossed, except my very last square that others have pointed out of the crossing of MARE’S NEST (thanks for the explanation, Lewis!) and ALFRE. Once I knew it was a mare doing the nesting, I like that this puzzle included some flowing MANES to go with her. For some reason I wasn’t as happy with having both COCA-Cola and SODA, but there’s certainly no rule against that.

Carola 11:08 AM  

@Lewis, thank you for digging into MARE"S NEST. I knew the phrase, in it's current meaning, but as I entered it in the grid, I wondered what in the world its origin could be.

CB 11:24 AM  

Hello everyone! I am a long-time reader but never comment, because I print out the puzzles and never do them in real time. Who would see my thoughts two or three or more weeks later? But today I solved the puzzle from Sep 25 and saw that it was the 20th anniversary of the blog - woohoo!

So I was moved to write in and say thank you to everyone: I really enjoy this community, and am a little regretful that I am only an observer and not a contributor. I mentally reply to so many of you! You should know that I look forward to your witty, thoughtful, and even tender comments - and of course, Rex, thank you for carrying on with your delightful/snarky recaps.

I've been solving these puzzles since I was in high school in the 1990's; it's what I'd do as I had a snack when I got home. Now I'm a Thu/Fri/Sat solver, especially as they've gotten easier (yes, add me to that crowd) - I used to love a Sunday puzzle but now I get too bored, they just take too long but without the fun. When I mix in xwords from other sources I'm always slightly let down because there's no blog or comments to follow up.

Anyway, this is just to say* I'm glad you're here. I don't even know who will see this, since I'm in Oregon and it's already midday back east, well past solving time for many of you (though I know you're all from all over too, so who knows? A meet-up would be amazing, if complicated.). Thanks again, and carry on!

(Rex, please forgive the re-post; I realized I'd posted on the wrong day, and the whole point was for it to be current so people would see it!)

*yes, the plums were delicious

Anonymous 11:25 AM  

Some part or all of MARE’S NEST has been in the puzzle many many times before. I feel like I’m being gaslit by all these people saying they’ve never heard of it.

jb129 11:27 AM  

Nice Monday. And good to see CC back. I always feel better when I see our old friends (constructors) here :)

Masked and Anonymous 11:32 AM  

Like almost everyone else here, was wonderin where the term MARESNEST originated from. Thanx to @Lewis and others for the clarifications.
The puztheme had a typical MonPuz first/last word connections theme mcguffin. The OUTONALIMB revealer was kinda clever, tho, sooo ... ok.

staff weeject pick: ARM. A limb with SASHIMI splatzed out on it.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {___ Marian, Robin Hood's beloved} = MAID.

Other faves: LEISURE, CORRECT, APRICOT, ALLSTAR, and about any other answer that weren't a name. 17 names today, y'all say? Holy SASHIMI, Princess LEIA! Whatta MONIKERSNEST!

Also appreciated MINUTE's shot at a MonPuz ?-marker clue, btw.

Thanx for the fun, Ms. Burnikel darlin. Cool LEISURE clue, btw.

Masked & Anonymo2Us

p.s.
Runt puzzle, with theme idea courtesy of M&A's PuzEatinSpouse:
**gruntz**

M&A

Anonymous 11:32 AM  

Love your comment, Gary!

Anonymous 11:37 AM  

Could not quite finish downs only. Made all the same mistakes that Wayfarer made.

Interesting that I seem to be one of the few folks here familiar with the phrase MARE'S NEST. I wonder if it's a regional or generational thing. I live in Texas and am in my 60s. I also read a lot of older mysteries and detective novels. Maybe the term was more common in the past. I think of it in reference to a messy situation where nothing's working well as opposed to a messy place, where the term rat's nest works better.

Carola 11:38 AM  

After the LEAF and NEST, I figured we had a "tree" theme, but I wasn't able to anticipate the clever reveal. A very cute payoff. And we got the bonus, thanks to @Lewis, of learning about MARE'S NESTs.

I was surprised to read in @Gary Jugert's post that the puzzle has 17 names. Apparently I've become so used to entering SARA, ARI, SETH, IDINA, ALFRE, LIL, LEIA, OTOE....that they just didn't register with me. But yeah, a very heavy load for a Monday.

L E Case 11:40 AM  

Thank you for Lucinda and Willie. You have no idea how much I appreciated/needed that.

Anonymous 12:32 PM  

Somehow managed downs-only by trying an APRICOT, and finishing with a TEA ROSE (Sweet!)

SouthsideJohnny 12:33 PM  

Now that propers crossing propers (see SARA, ALFRE) has become the new normal, even on a Monday, I agree with those who have posited that it may be time to just give up on the NYT daily trivia test altogether and seek out greener pastures elsewhere.

The obvious place to start would be the New Yorker, although they really only give us three days a week, with Wednesdays usually being NYT Monday easy.

The LAT grids are usually pretty good Sunday through Friday, with the difficulty probably lagging about a day behind the NYT( i.e. a NYT Weds would be a Thursday or a Friday in the LAT). Unfortunately, Patti Varol consistently signs off on allowing a boatload of PPP on Saturdays, (apparently to amp up the difficulty level).

The daily WSJ daily offerings are consistently strong, and they get high grades and extra credit for resisting the temptation to embrace gimmicks or stunt puzzle type themes.

I also enjoy Evan’s Sunday grids available in the WaPo, although he frequently includes a Meta (which you can usually disregard if you’re not into that type of thing). A downside at the WaPo is that their solving interface is a disaster (about 1/3 of the screen is taken up by an advertisement - apparently they believe we don’t need to read the clues and can discern the answers via some sort of telepathy with Evan).

lodsf 1:05 PM  

Solving normally a cute and fun puzzle . Liked it a lot. (Start with downs only but then with no shame immediately reverse to ‘normal’ when needed.) I didn’t notice all the names because most were ones I knew (except IDINA - which was filled in by downs before I saw the clue, and did have to guess the A where SARA crossed ALFRE at 5A and 8D).

I recall hearing MARESNEST from the (distant?) past when it was used to indicate “a mess”. Interesting to learn the other — apparently original — meaning (thanks Lewis).

I almost always like CC’s puzzles. For a number of years I read her reviews of the Sunday LA times puzzles … back when I still got the SF Chronicle Sunday newspaper — which printed the LA puz. (IDK if she still does these — 3 or 4 years ago ‘paper’ got too expensive & I had to go digital.). And, as Lewis commented on a past CC puzzle, her constructions are even more impressive seeing that English isn’t her first language.

Anonymous 1:26 PM  

Is there anyone else that had a problem with cluing ACT I as "First part of a musical" rather than "First part of a play", since, classically, the first part of a musical would be the overture? Why specify a performance type where the answer is sometimes true rather than one where it is always true?

Les S. More 1:33 PM  

@Rachel. Totally agree about those kind of clues. I'm looking forward to the day when I see the clue "Hate them!" and the answer is "Imperatives".

Anonymous 1:55 PM  

Gary,
The lack of Swift in your life has bitten you again. The Complete Collection of Genteel and Ingenious Conversations would’ve made mare’s nest not only a gimme but provided a warm smile. Funny stuff, and most definitely not 16th century.

Gary Jugert 2:39 PM  

@CB 11:24 AM
Thanks for saying "hey." There are plenty of us late in the day readers, but mostly if you post after noon eastern the readership goes way down. I do regularly get emails five weeks afterward when the syndicated "free" puzzle hits the streets and people are doing an older puzzle. Oddly, I get the most emails when I've been flippant about a religious item. I love those emails. I think people worry about others accidentally going to Hell. I'm going on purpose, so no need to cue me in.

Les S. More 2:55 PM  

I have to come right out and declare my apostasy regarding the puzzles of Zhoukin Burnikel. I find them to be generally solid but dull. The best thing about this puzzle was the discussion of MARE’S NEST, especially the comments from @Lewis and @jberg.

I worked downs-only and didn’t have too much trouble, but I didn’t have too much excitement, either. Loved the way LEISURE was clued - and thank you to the constructor and the editors for saying no to an exclamation mark - and MARE’S NEST was good, though I didn’t see its clue. Other than that, kinda meh.

So … Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians who read or comment here. We had a great feast last evening, the best part of which was having at least four people all in the kitchen cooking at the same time and nobody got hurt. At one point, anticipating that my middle son, the professional chef, would need more liquid for the gravy he was preparing, I presented him with a jar of turkey stock (we always make stock) and he paused and said, “You’d make a pretty good sous”. Wow! I was practically floored by that. He always criticizes my kitchen work.

And then to the table, where there was much political debate. I know, I know, it’s a no-no but, again, nobody got hurt. Youngest son is kind of libertarian and I’m a socialist and middle son did a great job of moderating. Wives and girlfriend kept trying, ineffectually, to change the subject. After servings of apple and pumpkin pie there were lots of hugs and then we surveyed the kitchen. Oh God, what mess. So we did what we had to do. We made cappuccinos for all. Ninety minutes later we determined that things were orderly enough that I could duck out and do the puzzle and everyone else could retire.

Thanksgiving is my favourite holiday. No prescribed gifts, just a a great meal with the ones you love. And, yes, all the food was fantastic; the turkey, the sides, and the ocean of gravy. What more could you ask for.

Anoa Bob 2:56 PM  

This got off to a good start. I still remember my first meal of SASHIMI when we were in Okinawa. We chose a fish that was swimming in a large aquarium and went into a tatami mat room to wait. They brought in a large platter with the head and tail of the fish sticking out of a bed of grated daikon radish fashioned to look like ocean waves. The edible part had been filleted into small cubes which we dipped into a wasabi and soy sauce mixture. Wow! It still fizzled in the sauce! Now that's truly raw fish. I can still recall that whole experience in my mind like it was yesterday (and it was in the mid 80s).

And then an even older memory got jogged by MARE'S NEST. I used that in a grad school essay to mean a supposed solution to a problem that is false and only makes the real solution more difficult to see. Kind of hard to write a short clue for that so "Total mess" is close enough.

Les S. More 3:06 PM  

@Southside. I have done the NYer puzzles since they started. They are all name-fests, but the names are mostly incredibly obscure. How many Nigerian film stars do you actually know? I'll take SARA, IDINA, and ALFRE any day.

Anonymous 3:20 PM  

Imagine disrespecting a constructor by name like this—extremely bad form, rude, completely uncalled for, totally unnecessary—and then writing some long boring account of your Thanksgiving. Unbelievable waste of space.

If we’re giving thanks, I’m thankful to Ms Burnikel for making so many thoughtful and on the whole well above-average puzzles in her NON-NATIVE language. All yall commenters should watch your damned mouths. Criticize the puzzle, not the person. You should be embarrassed. Have a blessed day.

Anonymous 3:22 PM  

Couldn’t even spell her name right …

Les S. More 3:24 PM  

@Anoa Bob. That sounds like a fantastic meal. I envy you. And your take on MARE'S NEST is spot on, too.

DAVinHOP 3:29 PM  

@Southside, pretty sure many here (myself included) agree with your critical comments about the NYTXW, generally speaking. From a XW purist's standpoint, your suggestions have merit.

But my sense is that, for many, the daily ritual comes in two parts: solving the puzzle, then coming here to read and react (or vice versa). Rarely, if ever, do I think my time has been wasted.

Often a puzzle deserving two (or fewer) stars is offset by a four (or more) star write-up and commentary, including yours.

Anonymous 3:48 PM  

I didn’t know most of the 17 names (thanks for the count, Gary), but I got them from the crosses. Enjoyed this fine Monday puzzle. Thanks also to Lewis for the explanation of MARESNEST, which I really didn’t understand. Kept checking the downs - yes indeed it was MARE! I think a rat’s nest is more common for the “mess” meaning. Having seen one, unfortunately, it’s an appropriate designation

Les S. More 3:56 PM  

Ooh, Anon 3:22. I humbly apologize for that. It might have been auto-correct, or just my inept typing, but I should have proof read and edited. Mea culpa.

As for Anon 3:20, the fact that you think I am attacking her personally just highlights her cult status. Am I not allowed to criticize her puzzles? Because she's some kind of goddess? Because she's working in an adopted language? I admire that, actually, but that doesn't make every one of her constructions automatically wonderful. This one was just OK.

As to your comment about "yall commenters should watch your damned mouths", you might want to look in the mirror.

beverly c 4:07 PM  

I enjoyed your account of your Thanksgiving - and cappuccinos to fuel the clean up! Enjoy the rest of your holiday!

Gary Jugert 4:48 PM  

@Nancy 9:42 AM
Hey Nancy! ๐Ÿ™‹๐Ÿผ‍♂️ You're still my #1.

Andy 5:13 PM  

Old school sports nicknames were the best. The Hick from French Lick is an iconic one.

Hugh 5:22 PM  

Welcome @CB! Please join us more often! I appreciate anyone who can prompt @Gary to chime in one more time! ๐Ÿ˜Š

Hugh 5:28 PM  

I also enjoyed hearing about your Thanksgiving @Les, thank you for sharing!

dgd 7:17 PM  

Dr. Random
You and Son Volt never saw mare’s nest before. I am a boomer. Another sign of my age. Lewis & Carola like me had no problem with it. One thing I learned from this blog is how many expressions I assumed were well known are in fact disappearing! A

dgd 7:52 PM  

Anonymous 7:39 AM
You are very critical of the editors. Perhaps you should check beforehand. There is no way a good puzzle can be made with everyone knowing everything even on a Monday , if you looked it up you would find it is a common phrase ((enough to be used in mass market titles) although it has been less used recently. In other words, if to half or more of solvers, it’s well known then it’s a fine answer, not bad editor. BTW Alfre has appeared fairly often recently. It might pay to remember, because her name is becoming crosswordese.

dgd 8:11 PM  

Jberg
I disagree about mare’s nest. After almost half a millennium since it first KNOWN printing , it was inevitable its meaning changed. The current meaning has been standard for a long time. BTW the issue may become moot because if you read today’s comments that neither Dr. Random nor Son Volt ever heard of it. G

Anonymous 9:15 PM  

Geez with the names. Sara, Alfre, and then maresnest made this hard for a Monday. Almost didn’t finish. Too many names = no fun.

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