Diagnostics done with "Foot-o-scopes" in old shoe stores / THU 9-19-24 / February Revolution abdicator / Jason Mraz hit that spent 76 weeks on the Billboard Hot 100 chart / A proverb about risk: Don't ... / Performers wearing oshiroi makeup / Cable channel known for its original movies / Law mandating curb cuts, in brief / Japanese company that created Hello Kitty / Largest city in Yorkshire, England / Fast-food sandwich that has had multiple farewell tours
Thursday, September 19, 2024
Constructor: Josh Goodman
Relative difficulty: Medium
Theme answers:
- AESTX (9A: A state slogan: Don't ...) (... mess with 'TEXAS') (i.e. if you ‘mess with’ (or scramble) the letters in ‘TEXAS,’ you get AESTX)
- BAS [ALL] [YOUR] [EGGS] KET (17A: A proverb about risk: Don't ...) (... put 'ALL' 'YOUR' 'EGGS' in one BASKET)
- 4D: Most important thing (BE [ALL])
- 5D: Jason Mraz hit that spent 76 weeks on the Billboard Hot 100 chart ("I'M [YOUR]S")
- 18D: Goads ([EGGS] ON)
- PBLUESAISNUERSES (41A: A tip in the working world: Don't ...) (... mix 'BUSINESS' with 'PLEASURE')
- CRY
- MI
- L
- K (57A: An idiom about regret: Don't ...) (... 'CRY' over spilt 'MILK')
- CART | HORSE (64A: A plea to plan wisely: Don't ...) (... put the 'CART' before the 'HORSE')
Oshiroi (白粉) is a powder foundation traditionally used by kabuki actors, geisha and their apprentices. The word is written with kanji meaning "white powder", and is pronounced as the word for white (shiroi) with the honorific prefix o-.
When worn by geisha and maiko, oshiroi is notable for only partially covering the nape of the neck, as an uncovered nape was traditionally considered erotic in Japanese culture. (wikipedia)
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As for the "defects" I mentioned above, there's one thematic one—the first three themers all turn the idioms into instructions for us, i.e. we have to "put" all the eggs in their place, we have to "mess" with Texas, we have to "mix" business and pleasure, we have to "put" cart before horse ... but when it come for CRYing over spilled MILK, there's nothing for us to do. Our action, as solvers, is not incorporated into the idiom. We "put," "mess," and "mix," but we don't "cry." So that answer's a wobbly tire, for sure, but I was so caught up in the challenge of working the idioms out visually that I honestly didn't care, or even really notice, that that answer was anomalous in that way. That answer's anomalous in lots of ways—it goes onto four rows, it's got the "over" and the milk "spilling" to deal with—so I think it gets artistic license. If the puzzle itself is about breaking the rules (and it is), then this last answer can go ahead and break the puzzle's own "rules." I don't mind. Go off, puzzle! Do your thing!
As for the fill, I'm actually surprised it's as strong as it is, given what seems like a pretty demanding theme. My only real winces came at INALIE (an old standard, but one I hate ... it's just Not standalone-worthy), and then at ISN'T SORRY (38D: Has no remorse), which felt like 'green paint' (i.e. a phrase one might say, but not one that has sufficient standalone strength). I also think people are far (far) more likely to say "It's no use" or "it's pointless" or "hopeless" than "IT'S FUTILE" (if only to avoid the "it's feudal?" confusion), but the fact that it's not a first-tier expression doesn't invalidate it. I think it's fine.
What I loved most about this theme is that I really had to *think* about every one of these themers. It's not that they were particularly difficult to come up with, but they weren't transparent, and in every case, I had a significant moment of "what's going on here?" — the expression itself didn't come to me right away, and so I had to back my way into it by watching the circles fill in from crosses and then inferring the expression from there. The first one (with the eggs) was actually the easiest one to get, along with CART | HORSE. The hardest for me was probably AESTX. I got the letters easily enough, but the only "slogan” I could think of was "Don't Tread on Me" (actually thought TREAD might go in those squares a first, except ... "Don't Tread on Me" is not a state slogan). Getting to "Don't ... mess with Texas" felt great—another little aha burst. Worked the business/pleasure one from the back end, so it took some doing, but again, when I got it, big aha (not a big "ugh," as often happens with tricky / gimmick puzzles, where my struggle is often "rewarded" with some awkward contrivance). Finished up in the SE corner, which was tough for a few reasons, none of them really thematic. First, I thought 49D: Character name in both "The Seagull" and "Three Sisters" meant that the name could be found literally in the titles ... like, embedded in their names. So I was looking to see what letter strings those two titles had in common ... only to find out that no, it's not a trick question (like [Woman in dire need?] from the other day), it's just an actual character name (IRINA). And then there was BANKS, which was, I'm serious now, the hardest thing in the grid for me today. I have been in hotels with multiple elevators, and maybe someone even referred to them as BANKS, but wow that answer was Not coming to me today. Instead of BANKS, I drew blanks. Nothing. Zip. Thank god for crosses.
Bullet points:
- 21A: Yankees slugger Juan (SOTO) — he's very, very good. And, for someone who is already a four-time All-Star, still very young (25). He looks very much like a future Hall-of-Famer, so expect to see his name a bunch in future puzzles (i.e. possibly forever).
- 6A: Law mandating curb cuts, in brief (ADA) — Americans with Disabilities Act. "Curb cuts" are literal cuts in curbs that allow for mobility devices to get from sidewalk to street easily.
- 70A: Half a score (TEN) — A "score" is twenty. I forgot that for a half second and just stared at TEN like "but ... but ... TEN is a score all on its own. It's a perfect score. I don't ge- ... oh, right."
- 13D: Diagnostics done with "Foot-o-scopes" in old shoe stores (X-RAYS) — they used to let shoe stores have x-ray machines!?!?! Did they come with lead aprons, what the ...!?
- 36D: Japanese company that created Hello Kitty (SANRIO) — just commit it to memory. I did. (I'm actually stunned to see that this is only the second appearance of SANRIO in the NYTXW ... feels like something I had to learn because of crosswords, but ... I do solve other crosswords, so that's probably where I've seen it)
- 64D: Abraham Lincoln was the first to keep one at the White House (CAT) — aw ... hello, kitty!
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184 comments:
This is going to be either absolutely loved or completely despised.
I fall firmly into the latter category. “Don’t Mess With Texas” isn’t a state motto, it’s a saying. The three-word rebus was insane, especially as I got YOUR pretty quickly due to it being the only Jason Mraz song I know.
Pleasure/Business was quite clever, I liked that one. The Cry/Milk thing is far too forced and, as you said, doesn’t require us to actually “solve” anything.
Texas' state motto (or slogan--if you search for "Texas state slogan" you get the same results) is "Friendship". But I really enjoyed the puzzle anyway.
I remember having my feet x-rayed at the shoe store in the 1950’s and there was no protection available.
Had "patina" instead of "lamina" for the longest time. Sigh.
Agree with Oliver - this one will be divisive. But put me more on the side of loved.
the EGGS one was the easiest to guess the phrase, but hardest for me to get the execution - it was actually the plural of 18D. Goads that made EGGS inscrutable and had to be a rebus in that circle. Then confirmed by Mr.Mraz.
Do agree that CRY/MILK broke the theme rules, and it does still irritate a little, but like OFL, not enough to spoil the enjoyment.
Overall, if I kept a super secret spreadsheet like Rex, this would rank pretty high, and in contention for Thursday of the year.
Maybe also in a good mood because I did @Nancy’s WSJ collab with Will Neidger today. And loved that one too. I won’t give away too much for those that haven’t done it yet, but it has a similar trick in this puzzle. But of course, no use of those dirty, nasty circles. LOL!
Will hit her LAT puzzle later and come back to post about both of her puzzles that run today after folks have had some time to solve. Congrats Nancy.
The clue is "A state slogan," so I can't complain that it isn't a motto. But I don't love the puzzle. Oh well.
Very interesting to contemplate the theme in retrospect (and all the work that must have gone into constructing it). I’m not a gimmick fan as I feel like it gets away from being a “crossword puzzle” in the traditional sense and moves more into “brain teaser” territory. However I imagine that for those who enjoy these types of grids, this one will be right up their alley.
I agree with the previous poster who suspects that there will be a pretty strong dichotomy between lovers and haters today.
I was pulling my hair out for a bit wondering what the heck RIMIER meant - apparently it is derived from RIMY, which means “covered with frost”. Put that one in the “you learn something new every day” category for me.
Clue was slogan, not motto, and it is the slogan by State Transportation Department for their ad campaign against littering. Probably not gonna be too familiar to people that haven’t lived or travelled in Texas. But ubiquitous if you have. TV/Radio/Billboard ads all over and have been for years.
Very clever, nicely executed. Could not ask for more from a puzzle.
Only nit: the possible Natick at LEO/SANRIO ought to have been avoided with a zodiac clue.
As a Nats fan, it is very painful to watch Juan SOTO succeed elsewhere. See also Bryce Harper and Trea Turner.
It didn't say it was a motto, it said it was a slogan.
Ditto. Combined with the Texas themer being the one I couldn't get, that whole corner took forever for me.
Painful for me. Theme was fine. I hated it because of all the trivia
Loved it! Stumped then great AHAS!
put me in the despised camp. The themers required gentler crosses, but the constructor went for extremely obtuse cluing. Not fun. would not have finished without checking here.
Completely agree. I felt like the constructor was bound and determined to get all their cutesies in, crossword norms be damned.
Oof. It's definitely clever. Like others, I got most of it filled and then balked at AESTX. That X was not coming. "Trays? We measure feet with those little metal tray things with the numbers on them..."
Could have probably gotten ALL YOUR EGGS if I'd tried a little longer, but AEST_ had me too annoyed.
Thought this was going to be a cozy little rebus with the Mraz song but it ended up being a mash-up of tricks - overall fun and cute but a bit clunky in terms of smoothness.
Live at LEEDS
The TEXAS anagram is clearly the outlier here - the closing is off and the trick fails. Still not a big fan of the circles in any puzzle. I’m assuming the theme forced the gluey parts - the GPS/EBT pair is brutal. Liked the TETON x PIÑATA cross. SANRIO was completely backed into.
We’ve MET
Pleasant Thursday morning solve. I also highly recommend @Nancy’s WSJ offering today - well done.
Heaven 17
Put me in the “loved it” camp. What a fantastic concept, well executed. The first themer to fall for me was HORSE|CART - then I worked my way back up to the top. The hardest for me was the eggs/basket one. I first just spelled EGG across the three spaces, and was grumpy about just one EGG when the expression clearly refers to a number of them. Then I figured out EGGS ON, and was much happier, but EGGS didn’t work for the other crosses. Finally had to google Jason Mraz’s catalog for the penny to drop.
In agree with Rex’s quibble about SPILT MILK, and Oliver’s about the cluing for the state slogan (the insertion of the word “unofficial” or something like that would have gone a long way), but those are minor when the journey is such a joy. Well done, Josh Goodman!
All your eggs are belong to us.
Took forever to catch the rebus, and I just had EGG sitting up there. And that worked for the EGGON, but nothing else. Maybe I woulda caught on earlier with more coffee. Fair, all in all.
Isn't New Hampshire's slogan "Don't Tread On Me?"
Not my cup of tea, but I’m happy for you Rex. The saving grace for me today was hearing Ella absolutely nail that old Irving Berlin song. For the first chorus she sings that tricky tune straight, with infallible pitch and phrasing, then for the second chorus lets her imagination soar. What a supreme artist she was!
Hated the theme.
A puzzle feast – a five-trick-pony theme instead of the usual one. Gymnastic wordplay. Riddles from top to bottom.
Not to mention, a capital-P Puzzle. Where first you had to figure out what was going on. Then you had to figure out that the gimmicks were all different, making each theme answer a puzzle in its own right. Oh, there were footholds to help, but not a generous amount, to keep things interesting.
All this brought capital-P Pleasure to my brain. Fortified by beauty: NOUGAT, GEISHAS, AL DENTE, AS IT WERE. Not to mention a rarest-of-rare-in-crosswords six-letter semordnilap (LAMINA).
And in the middle of it all, at 28D, the true theme of this puzzle from Josh Goodman: MY TREAT.
Josh, I’m guessing you know that only one constructor, Andrew Ries, has hit the cycle (had a NYT puzzle every day of the week) in their first seven puzzles. You, now, with a Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, can become the second. Go for it!
And thank you for your fabulous puzzlepalooza today. This was, indeed, a treat!
I have to disagree with Rex on one point - this puzzle actually DID make me cry. :)
I appreciate the cleverness, and it is an impressive feat, but this one just killed me. My first DNF in a LONG time.
So put me in both the "loved" (for its skill in creation) and "hated" (for the slog of a solve) categories on this one.
There was no joy in Mudville nor was there in this puzzle. And by the way why are we still talking about Geishas in 2024. Cart before the horse and spilt milk - ok. Mixing business with pleasure. - Clever. Don’t mess with Texas is somewhere between caricaturist and obnoxious. Ha Ha - big yuks. But the single rebus. Rotten Eggs I say. Hope to never see another one like this again.
"Live free or die" is the motto here in New Hampshire.
A total mess. The basic idea is clever, but the execution is horrible. It's part rebus (I'M YOURS), part alternating circles, part mixed letters (TEXAS), and part something else (spilt milk at a 90-degree angle). I got everything except the NE, but was happy to accept a DNF on a puzzle I couldn't stand. Rex Parker and I rarely enjoy the same entries.
Thank you Rex for parsing this one! Was proud of myself for getting GEISHAS right away, but it was downhill from there. Maybe if I had had a notepad handy to sort out the circled from the uncircled letters in the business advice I might have fared better. However, in retrospect the puzzle is an amazing feat of construction. This morning simply Iacked the imagination to cope with it.
Anyone else find it funny to have seen ATF and PITMASTER two days in a row? "Pitmaster" was part of a clue on Weds, but still oddly specific to see twice in a row.
@anon 7:40. Live free or die
Does anybody know why Out is ALIBI? Is it because if you provide someone an ALIBI you are giving them an out? That seems awful thin to me.
I am in the “liked it” camp. Although I did get the Don’t Mess With Texas answer, I didn’t understand it until reading the blog. Thankful for crosses. I also don’t know Jason Mraz at all, but I guess I’m Yours was so ubiquitous at one point that (I almost tore my hair out) I knew it.
That’s it. Doesn’t seem thin to me at all.
I managed to fill it all in except for those rebus squares. I knew the third was EGGS, but I couldn't get past assuming the other two had to also be EGGS and just sat and stared until I finally googled the Jason Mraz song (which I hadn't heard of) and realized what was going on. But I'm not mad about it, this was a lot of fun.
A "what might have been" here. For some reason I never saw the clue "goads" which would have of course led to EGGSON which would have revealed EGGS in the BASKET riddle which otherwise left me baffled. I'm sure Mr. Mraz is a fine artist but he's totally unknown to me, so no help there, and even with ALI in place ALIBI just wouldn't come. Oh well.
I think "Don't tread on me" may be th unofficial NH motto. It seems to have been co-opted by the far right though.
Otherwise no real problems with this one, except for the mysterious SANRIO, which sounds like a fictitious South American city.
My favorite trick of this type is still WORLAMEN, which parses as "world without end, amen".
Clever stuff indeed JG, and a Jolly Good Thursday. Thanks for lots of ultimately frustrating fun.
After seeing how many people got tripped up on PITMASTER in Will’s and my puzzle yesterday, it felt rather vindicating to see it reappear in a clue today! Though it might explain why our puzzle preceded Josh’s despite the numerous reports that it was “tough for a Wednesday.”
On that note, I was surprised to learn that it was slated for a Wednesday, but quite delighted as I hear it’s a competitive “slot” which also happens to be my mom’s favorite NYT day. (Happy to report that Mama C. enjoyed the puzzle thoroughly.)
Of the options Will and I discussed for the central steps, I liked UNO DOS TRES CUATRO most (and Will was gracious enough to cede to my preference) because A) it would be easily recognizable as Spanish to anyone with even a rudimentary familiarity with the language (such as myself — I took French in high school so thank you Sesame Street for teaching me to count to diez) and B) had a clear order to it so it could be reverse engineered by anyone who “got it” before they filled it in the crosses. I’d love to hear if any of those aims manifested with you fine solvers so I can adjust my approach to similar features in future constructions (which, for good or for ill, there will be :D ).
As for Josh’s well-crafted offering, I’m in full-throated agreement with Rex: a delight, from start to finish. I especially loved messing with TEXAS in the northeast before escaping with MY TREAT.
Thanks to all of you for your kindness and/or constructive criticism, and I look forward to torturing you all (but in a fun way!) with many puzzles to come.
Sláinte!
"What I loved most about this theme is that I really had to *think* about every one of these themers. It's not that they were particularly difficult to come up with, but they weren't transparent, and in every case, I had a significant moment of "what's going on here?"
EXACTLY
President Obama’s AMA caused Reddit to crash?? I’m not understanding that at all.
Great fun with this one. Didn't get the BUSINESS/PLEASURE till I read about it here but the others all brought a chuckle or smile.
kea/loaed at SANRI_/LE_. I thought N fit both well but no- I had to run the alphabet to cue the music So LEO Roston became my word of the day
Hey Josh - you're good at this, let's get more
Can anyone tell me how TOTEM is a monument?
Loved the puzzles within the puzzle, fun and satisfying.
Finished with LEa and SANRIa because I didn't know either name, total Natick, but I'm at peace with it.
This rebus- (and Thursday-) hater enjoyed a Thursday puzzle with rebuses. Medium difficulty, but maybe Easy-Medium because I always have extra trouble with Thursdays.
Overwrites:
17A: @Rex [eggs] [eggs] [EGGS] before [ALL] [YOUR] [EGGS]
22D: pAtINA before LAMINA
64A: I thought Lincoln kept the first peT in the White House
WOE:
36D: Needed every cross for SANRIO
I’m sure Mr. Horton who owned Horton Shoes in Chicago where all we grade schoolers went had a degree in radiology. See the “shoe-fitting fluoroscope” machine at Wikipedia.
Loved this. Maybe my favorite Thursday ever. Fun and clever and as someone who normally hates trickiness, this was a blast to discover.
I didn't know you could have a rebus in only three circles/squares and I have been solving crosswords a long time, though not as often as many of the folks here (generally, I just do the NY Times). Seems like it's breaking the rules or, as Rex would have it, pushing the boundaries with verve and panache. YOURS was obvious, but I didn't think I could put that in. I tried EGG at first, but that didn't work for goads, or the other answers. And who just abbreviates to 'BE ALL"? No one says that. The TEXAS scramble seems more Saturday level if not just poorly written and edited, like some of the other clues. Why on earth would I think of 'messing with TEXAS'? I had the letters, but didn't think I was right. I am definitely in the 'hated this' camp. The editors need to give more explicit help about what is possible.
Hey All !
For me, the BASKET one was the toughest. I had BAS(EGG)KET in, and didn't know the Downs that corresponded with the circles there. Finally, after a while, had to Goog for the Mraz song, as he is not in my rotation of artists I listen to. Found it to be IMYOURS, said "Hmm, a Rebussed YOUR?)" Then the ALL YOUR EGGS clicked, and all was right in Crossworld. Well, another Goog at the potential Natick of LEO/SANRIO. That O could've been A, E, K, M, N, S, U, W, X, and maybe one or two more.
I have made similar puzs where the instructions, per se, are in the answers. Fun to do. Not accepted, natch, but I did them! 😁
Speaking of making puzs, congrats to @Nancy for two today, and several others she has had published. Care to share your secret?
16 wide grid, in case no one has observed that yet. We've been getting more grid for our money lately.
Nice Theme, decent fill, a return to the Tricksy Thursday. Have a great day!
Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
For sure. Glad we didn't pay Rendon, tho.
I absolutely hated this theme. I’m not at all a fan of puzzles where an entire word goes in one square or the type where the way the answers read isn’t a word at all. I finished because I filled in all the other clues with a couple of “reveal squares” but it was terrible. I would never have figured out the theme without checking here. If the games app lists the puzzle theme I don’t know where it is. Not that that would have helped.
>This is going to be either absolutely loved or completely despised.
Yup. Put me in the second category. By the time I finished this mess I was ready to put my fist through my computer screen. May not be the WOAT, but certainly the most annoying.
in 1999, Time Magazine included the shoe-sizing fluoroscope in its 100 worst ideas of the 20th century.
“Difficulty: medium”
Trolling score: A+
“All your eggs are belong to us” made something fly out of my nose. Boy, does THAT take me back!
3 days without a rap-themed clue.
4 missed opportunities for fill-in-the rapper/DJ:
krs-ONE
ANT (producer/DJ)
Azealia BANKS
Doja CAT
Fun facts:
Tyler, the Creator's IGOR won the 2020 Grammy for best rap album. (Which nyt puzzlers already know because Lil Uzi Vert made an appearance)
Clone Leland Tyler Wayne and you'll have METROS Boomin.
I googled "M.C. Rib" to see if someone had used this as a joke rap name. Predictably, I got a bunch of hits about MCRIBs.
Great Thursday!!
Remembering I didn't like this either. To me an "out" is an excuse, like no I can't drive you to the airport because I'll be out of town.
Agree this one is gonna be love it or hate it but I kinda fell somewhere in between. I admire the concept and wow, must have been a bear to construct, so props for that. But as far as a solving experience, I ended up feeling duped. The CART with the HORSE was cute. I liked the spilt MILK, loved BUSINESS mixed with PLEASURE, and grudgingly accepted the TEXAS mess, but the EGGS really did me in. After filling in all the other circles with a single letter, why would I ever suspect that I need a full word in each of the remaining three? And why, why, why would you choose to also cross one of them with two Proper Names? Oh well. I hope we don't have any circles tomorrow.
Not knowing the Mraz song hurt me a lot in the northwest, especially when paired with SOTO. I got the EGG/BASKET thing but BEE as "the most important thing" made sense to me so got stuck on that as well.
Brava and bravo to our @Nancy and Will Nediger. What a talented GAL and guy right there. Not one but two puzzles in publication today, both with solid construction geared toward a smooth solve. Thanks you guys, great work as usual.
Similar experience, but i do not understand how “Be all” works for the down clue
this was a hard one. I googled LEO. SO SUE ME. Finished way over my average. I would rate it as Difficult. the NE was tough to with that TEXAS mess. congrats to the constructors - very innovative
Came here to see the rebus- / gimmick - / Thursday-haters seethe. Not disappointed 🍿
Can someone please explain how AESTX is Don’t Mess With Texas? The TX is obvious but AES?! I just don’t get it. Thanks
Thanks for your puzzle, which was fun to solve. Yes, uno, dos, tres was a helpful choice. Looking forward to your future contributions.
I can't be the only one who confidently entered "why bother" in place of ITS FUTILE and then "it's on me" for MY TREAT. Right? RIGHT? I also confidently entered "alias" in place of ALIBI and "meccas" for METROS. So maybe I need to control+alt+delete my brain today.
Don’t cry OVER spilt milk worked just fine. Not an outlier at all.
Thank you!
I never hate a puzzle but this one wasn’t my cuppa. I think it’s probably a brilliant concept…I agree with @whatsername on that. My funk with today is probably due to the fact that I started the puzzle before I went to the dentist, and finished it after. Well. I use the term “finish” loosely. Now I look forward to doing Nancy’s puzzles…then I get a flu shot. Mixed bag of tricks today!
Trying too hard.
If you “mess with Texas” you jumble up the letters in TEXAS. So jumbled up, TEXAS becomes AESTX.
Above my pay grade. I bailed -- and came here to find out what the bleep was going on.
This falls into the category of "be careful what you wish for". The reason I so often complain about randomly placed tiny little circles is that they usually demand nothing at all from the solver. You ignore them, fill the puzzle in just as though they weren't there, and later find out what intricacies are in the grid that had nothing to do with your solve.
This was just the opposite: TOO MUCH for the solver to have to figure out in order to solve -- no two of the theme answers anything like one another. Some were rebuses, some were olios, some were word pictures -- need I go on?
Maybe if the clues hadn't been so ridiculously vague. But they really weren't any help to me at all.
I like puzzles that make me feel smart, but this one made me feel dumb. I won't say that it isn't clever, though.
Disappointed that it wasn't "Don't have all your egsforbreakfast." That would have put me squarely in the name-in-puz competition with @Roo and @Pablo.
Would you agree that Robert Frost was RIMIER than most poets?
I knew you'd come through, silent actor bro: MIME MAN. And BTW, I don't think anyone has called out the MYTREAT/MYMAN dupe.
This wonderful puzzle continues a week of good and great themers. Thanks, Josh Goodman.
I'm old enough to remember those xray machines in shoe stores. Yikes!
Didn't read the comments. But I did take a peek at the puzzle from the blog. I probably won't even attempt it - it looks horrendous to me & I don't want to be in a bad mood today. I'm thankful for Nancy & Will's puzzles in the LAT & WSJ today :)
With you. I hated it. Quit after almost 27 minutes. First not finished in maybe a year. Awful.
Normally I love a Thursday rebus, but ALL YOUR EGGS scrambled my ova this morning. Tried geg; tried ova, tried tearing out hair, but never flashed on the possibility of a rebus trifecta when every other circle enjoyed an appropriate single damn letter. I needed to recall the first rule of my Hash House Harriers days: “there are no rules.” On out?
Ask me anything
I come here often and only post when I really love or really hate a puzzle. And this one I *REALLY* loved. How refreshing!
I didn't actually solve any of the theme answers until I got back around to the first one. AESTX made no sense, but all the crosses fit. I just ignored the NEUSRES bit and it was done before I had to work out what they wanted. Then I tried E-G-G in the middle of bas-ket, but that didn't work. I have no idea who Mraz is. But finally tried rebussing the circles. I wasn't impressed.
I spotted one 5-letter Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) in this grid, for which I offer this clue: Otis Day did it in Animal House.
(Answer below)
Loved this puzzle! Early on I knew that 17 across wanted something about ALL YOUR EGGS in that one BAS KET, but I couldn't make it happen for too long. Loved AESTX. I'm married to a Texan, but that didn't help at first, until the letters were in place and the aha landed.
Had pAtINA before LAMINA and DIE Off before DIE OUT. Didn't know SANRIO and almost surely won't remember it next time. The O linking it to LEO was the last letter I entered.
Answer to HDW clue:
SHOUT (begins with the S in 35D, AS IT WERE, and moves to the NW; "ya know ya make me wanna ...")
Rex explains it above:
“AESTX (9A: A state slogan: Don't ...) (... mess with 'TEXAS') (i.e. if you ‘mess with’ (or scramble) the letters in ‘TEXAS,’ you get AESTX)”
So Jason Mraz didn’t have a hit song called I’M EGGY?
Could see it was eggs in one basket kind of thing but crossing totally unheard of song/ baseball rot through the middle of the rebus totally spoiled it for me
Had to cheat with the song guy even after getting the work pleasure deal got the eggs but not the other 2 😩
The 5 letters in the word TEXAS, are messed up into a different order A E S T X. So, you have 'messed' with the word TEXAS.
har. What a primo loblolly of puzzlettes within a puz. Weird and different and M&A luved it.
Until I got here, tho, I thought maybe that there AESTX themer had somethin to do with hidden taxes. Wrong again, M&A breath. Shoulda thought about TEXAS as an alternate anagrammer -- then I'da had it nailed.
staff weeject pick: ILK. Milk spill puzthemer abettor.
some fave stuff: PINATA clue. SMOKER [pitmaster!] clue. ASITWERE. ITSFUTILE. SOSUEME.
Thanx for the fun, Mr. Goodman dude. Brilliantly wacky stuff.
Masked & Anonymo4Us
p..s. Enjoyed the comments today from yesterday's pit-masterin constructioneer. Thanx.
A little tricky, also:
**gruntz**
Hated it. But I was on hold with the power company while I did it. The one answer with rebuses (rebusi? rebi?) wasn’t picked up. And maybe next January, no cats in the White House ?
Did both of your and Will's puzzles today and had a great old time. Anyone who can come up with such delightful stuff should never feel dumb. Thanks for all the fun.
Foot-O-Scope was a fluoroscope. It didn’t take a single image; it was more like Closed Circuit TV,, not recorded but providing continuous video as the X-rays continued to illuminate the bones of the foot as long as the salesperson watched. The total radiation absorbed was off the charts. Fluoroscoes are no longer used in medicine, because of the excessive exposure to radiation.
Took me a long time to finish. But enjoyed it, with all the different tricks. Thought I had cracked the first one, putting “eggs” in the three spots. Nope. Took a while to figure that one. The long central answer had to wait for almost all the crosses.
And thanks to Rex for musical accompaniments today - still have both those CDs, bought new when they came out.
Now off to check out the offering of Nancy Stark and Will Nediger at LAT.
Fun theme. But the LEO/SANRIO cross leaves a very poor taste.
Please explain skate
Ok never mind. I searched to learn there is an Ottawa hockey team
For me, LAMINA was a WOE. I had “patina” sitting there for far too long.
Challenging for me, and I have to give myself a conceptual DNF - although I had the grid filled correctly, I didn't see how TEXAS was being messed with. I thought the TX at the end of the entry was the abbreviation for the state, and AES was....incomprehensible. I needed @Rex to explain my dunce-cap moment. After I understood how mixing BUSINESS with PLEASURE worked, I was able to get the rest fairly quickly. An enjoyable struggle, nice start to my Thursday.
Oops on my earlier post - missed a couple of the songs in the post earlier - I meant Garbage and Liz Phair. How could I overlook Ella?
My response to Rex saying that he loved this one was “of course he did”. This was one of the worst puzzles to be put out by the New York Times in years. And that’s saying something.
Loved it!!
Had to - at least - TRY. I usually say 'thank you' to the constructors. And I will again (even though it's not characteristic of me to say ... "thank you for allowing me to nominate this as the worst puzzle of the year" :(
On the tough side for me plus I had LEe before LEO which took some time to find and correct. It also took me a while to figure out what was going on with AESTX…like @Rex my first thought was “Tread on Me”.
Clever and ambitious but unfortunately my solve was more frustrating than fun. Didn’t hate it.
Those of you hungering for a bit more crossword solving today, I highly recommend two puzzles published today, made by our regular commenter Nancy (Stark), with Will Nediger (and already highly praised among the comments here). They are both free of charge and can be accessed online to print out or solve via computer.
One is in the Wall Street Journal, has a delightful theme (that's worth trying to guess before filling in the revealer), and a nice bit of bite.
The other is in the Los Angeles Times (also in the Washington Post), and the theme is absolutely sparkling, special, OMG good. It's the easier of the two puzzles. It's absolutely worth doing if you like being charmed and delighted.
Highly recommended, both!
Wow! Surprised to see so many hated the puzzle. I just loved it. Every themer was clever, different and literally made me LOL when I worked it out. Guessed the O at the LEO/SANRIO crossing and took 5+ minutes staring at the [blank at the time] square with the X from AESTX just mocking me. My $0.02 - brilliant Thursday.
Nancy, congrats on the double puzzles a day a part. Very cool.
Nice LAT puzzle, @Nancy. Of course, I am predisposed to like any puzzle with an ice dancer in it. Quite surprised at the clue for 31D. I would have bet a lot of money that you were not a fan of The Boys>/i>. Actually, I would have bet a fair of money that you had not heard of The Boys.
Now to seek out the WSJ puzzle...
+1! Absolutely Diabolical. Now that's a Thursday puzzle! Loved it!
Rex really giving a pass to the fill.
SANRIO/LEO is a pure Natick. (Lee? Len?)
LAMINA isn’t very nice.
And RIMIER is worse. Yeah, I know what “rime” is. But RIMIER?
I also don’t think “out” is a particularly apt clue for ALIBI. I guess an alibi is an out? It feels off to me. Merriam Webster doesn’t show a noun definition for out that really parallels alibi.
AESTX is the letters in TEXAS in alphabetical order.
First impressions: Well, I still don't understand AESTX. And the theme seemed to lack unity, at least so it seemed while solving. But it was nice to see our friend the PITMASTER again, this time in a clue.
I still don't know what NOUGAT is, either -- I can recognize it in a candy bar, but I've no idea what it's made of.
I've landed in that airport, and nobody gave me a LEI. We did get a little 'welcome to Hawaii' talk, though.
Some of the fill was interesting, while some of it was weird, like RIMIER. I'm wondering if young people will have heard of LEO Rosten--but maybe they know SANRIO, which gives him away.
Nit of the day -- the monument is a TOTEM pole, i.e., a pole with several totems carved into it.
Just don't.
36 down was a gimme as I used to send Hello Kitty postcards to children; years ago was sad to see our local store closing but bought up their remaining supply of cards. I’ll send one to Rex with my next donation.
I got the upper right filled in and was so baffled by 9 across that I went to the NYT blog to see a LOT of hatred for this puzzle. Slept on the rest overnight and LOVED it this morning. One of my favorite Thursdays.
Loved the puzzle but hated the first themer because I couldn't get any of the downs for 4D, 5D or 18D with E G G in the circles. It never occurred to me to try the ALL YOUR EGGS though "Goads" for 18D should have clued me in.
RIMIER? Hmmm.
Nice one, Josh Goodman!
He had a Reddit conversation (or whatever the right word is) and it was Barack Obama -AMA as in “ask me anything”
@Ted, that's called a Brannock device. Paul Lukas on substack is obsessed with them.
But yes, shoe stores used to have X-RAYS. You stuck your foot in at the bottom and looked down trough a scope at the top to see how your toe bones were rubbing against the shoe leather. We sometimes went into the store just to look at our feet. Those were simpler times. We used leaded gas, too.
all my exes live in Texas makes more sense.
¡Es la tierra de Wile-E-Coyote! Aves correcaminos por todas partes.
In Denver, when we walked our dog, we'd see squirrels. In Albuquerque, we see roadrunners. No sign of coyotes with ACME TNT ... yet. The pomegranate trees here are heavy with fruit, so that's pretty cool.
EEK! More than 100 comments already, so the haters must be ridin' in from the sticks.
I loved this delightful and engaging puzzle throughout, even though I needed help filling in the rebus squares. That long mess through the middle is hilarious and was so fun to grok.
I will admit to hating that Jason Mraz song. If you think society had enough of it after 76 weeks, imagine what ukulele teachers with middle school girl students dealt with during that time. It was brutal. Train's Soul Sister lives in the same damaged portion of my brain.
Good week for PITMASTERS. Did Joel buy some BBQing equipment with his raise? It's hard to pronounce WIRERS, but it's fun to yell SEGA like in their ads. You gotta be steeped in crossword tradition to deal with RIMIER.
❤️ [Out] for ALIBI. [Party animal] for PIÑATA.
Propers: 5
Places: 2
Products: 7
Partials: 7
Foreignisms: 1
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 22 of 81 (27%)
Funnyisms: 6 😅
Tee-Hee: You can also be caught with your pants down, instead of IN A LIE, and it's way funnier.
Uniclues:
1 Forsake yacht yanking.
2 Years of dancing and pretending to care about what rich men have to say.
3 Why you had an icy rump in Idaho.
4 Borg warning, in modern lingo.
5 Seed for a queen.
6 Why the slasher doesn't care about cutting you.
1 TOW TAMELY
2 GEISHA'S LIFETIME
3 RIMIER HORSE CART (~)
4 IT'S FUTILE MY MAN
5 ANT GAL'S SESAME
6 SKATE ISN'T SORRY
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: What he thinks might bring him happiness. SUPPOSES MASSAGE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please don’t lie: From M-W: OUT (n.): “ : a way of escaping from an embarrassing or difficult situation”
Oh no! Are we stuck in italics land again?
Put me in both camps. I loved the theme idea, but not the execution. The word that kept coming to mind was "sloppy". For those of us (me) that are not Jason Mraz fans, figuring out the eggs gimmick was brutal. I too had EGG EGG EGG then EGGS EGGS EGGS and no idea where to go. Had to google (cheat) Mr. Jason's songs to get past that. Yikes!
But the very worst part, as mentioned by @Roo and others, was LEO / SANRIO. Looking at LE- / SANRI-, I ran through the (almost) whole alphabet trying to get the happy pencil without success, so I thought I must have another error. So had to Reveal Incorrect Letters (cheat #2) only to discover I must have skipped the O somehow. And the thing is: it was so unnecessary; all they had to do was clue LEO as "A constellation" and most people (me) could get that! Why such nasty cluing for that; brutal.
And another rant: RIMIER and WIRERS were also terrrrrrible.
Loved it. A real challenge and totally satisfying hour+ / had to run the alphabet for xrays …
I call BS. You can't have one rebus answer near the top and then completely ignore rebuses all the way through the rest of the puzzle. This is total BS.
Just because it's obtuse doesn't make it clever. All the rebus stuff seemed ad hoc. "The theme is... no rules!" "Brilliant!"
Kind of like reading Joyce for the first time decades ago. I thought I saw so much in the puzzle and finished in Wednesday time. After reading the blog, I realized I missed much of the cleverness in the puzzle. Thanks as always for the analysis.
Somehow, reading these comments has made me like the puzzle more. And I need to defend CRY over spilt milk. Contra Rex, we are not being told to mess, put, mix, and (again) put. We are being told NOT to do so, just as we are told not to CRY.
I do think that two Japanese corporate names is one too many for a puzzle, though -- unless you do puns on them and make them the theme..
An "out" is a potential defense in court, so an ALIBI is a good one.
Truth
I agree about the LEI…I’ve been several times since middle-age on and have never been “welcomed” with a LEI. Maybe I haven’t hit the right airline or MAYBE they quit doing that sometime right after The Brady Bunch was off the air…
I LOVED both of your puzzles today! Both are very clever…yet solvable! Helps me feel better after feeling like a dodo with the NYT puz today!
I posted a short note as a member of the Dull Men's Club (UK Chapter) on the shoe store x-ray machine, and a good 15 responses said they remember it.
@Nancy. Alas, the WSJ puzzle was a dnf for me. I filled in 90% in something like a NYT Wednesday pace, but could not finish the northwest and north central. Even guessing (and a guess it was) the beginning of the first themer, I could make no headway with the rest.
And indeed I never have, @kitshef. Have no memory of either clue or answer, but it's obviously not my clue. There's always some of that in every published puzzle no matter which venue: pop culture names I wouldn't know if I fell over them and where I would have (probably DID if I could only remember!) done something very different.
Rex loved a puzzle. Hallelujah!!!
This one had me looking for Nancy's wall! Too cutesy, too gimmicky, too MUCH!
Was it the themers that got you, @kitshef, or was it tough non-theme fill? Because I'm so Luddite-ish, it's almost impossible for me to compare my original clues with their clues (it means opening up two windows at the same time which I can't do) and also their format is the most user-UNfriendly online solving system I've ever laid eyes on. I tried to solve my puzzle yesterday online because I don't have a printer and I was ready to hurl my laptop into the wall. It was pure torture for me. You have to go up to the top EVERY SINGLE TIME to change from Across to Down, abandoning wherever you are in the list of clues -- it must have been designed by the Marquis de Sade. I gave up on solving my own puzzle 2/3 through. I'd had enough torture.
How anyone solves puzzles online is beyond me!
This is the email I just sent Lewis:
I love you so much, Lewis! That is so sweet, so flattering and -- coming from such a puzzle expert and connoisseur as you, so truly meaningful. A big, big thank you!!!
On Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 12:42:59 PM EDT, Lewis Rothlein
I filled in 9A with the cross clues, and STILL don’t understand it. Is it “Don’t mess with Texas”? I thought it had something to do with taxes
This would be a Natick, not a kealoa, as the latter implies two possible correct answers (which share a letter) for a single clue, whereas here there is only one possible correct answer for each clue, as they are unambiguous, if somewhat obscure. Since a number of letters (N, A, E, S, M, even V or X) could fit in that square and make a plausible first name and brand name, I’d say that does qualify as a Natick.
I liked it. I liked that it mixed types of solutions and was different; I thought it was very clever and well constructed. But I agree with others that you never hear BE ALL without END ALL. So I just couldn't believe that was right.
One of the few things I dropped kin immediately. Think hockey.Ottawa Senators.
Great puzzle
It takes me a long time to solve these harder puzzles but I persevered and eventually got there with help from Google, especially music clues. For this one, though, I got CRY MILK first and figured out the theme. And finally finished feeling very smug. Also figured out AESTX — easy beans! So, feeling great!!
And also a big thank you to @pabloinnh and @Beezer too -- whose nice comments appeared where I didn't expect them to be, so I missed them.
Arrgggh, this new Rex format!
RIMIER was so bad that as I was finishing the puzz (knowing I had written RIMIER) I was sure that I was going to have to go back and fix something. The success chime usually gives me a rush of endorphins, but this time it only confused me. I think it would have been possible to put GAMIER in there, which would be a big improvement.
I made nougat once, long, long ago. It is, if I remember correctly, a meringue prepared with a heated sugar syrup. Roasted nuts and dried fruit are chopped and added as it cools. It's quite good but it's also quote different than what you get in a chocolate bar which omits the fruit and is made with caramelized sugar.
Nice ones, Nancy!
Geishas exist in 2024. I’m curious what the grounds are for suggesting they shouldn’t be talked about?
Nancy, I greatly enjoyed both puzzles of yours and Will today. Thanks for the fun.
Nancy, I solve online entirely in Across Lite in Windows, so the interface is the same for all the different sites. (You would need to download the Crossword Scraper plugin for Firefox or Chrome.) I, too, was driven to rage by the annoying quirks of the different sites.
It’s awful because you couldn’t solve it? Lol ok
@Casey C - Loved your puzzle yesterday! More please!!!
My feet got xrayed when I was a kid also. And we cleaned our bikes with trichloroethylene ..
+1! Loved this puzzle, fiendishly clever. Candidate for poty imo!
I cannot believe you’re OK with the first theme clue. Nothing in the phrase suggest putting all, your, and eggs in one circle each. I could see it written out within Basket or each circle being a rebus of egg egg egg, but not what the answer is.
Non-native speaker, didn’t know the EGGS idiom, so I spent my last two minutes just on the final two squares (the ALL & YOUR rebuses). I’ve heard of the song but had no idea about who sang it. Also BE-ALL without END-ALL was very hard to see. Nifty theme, I tend to like puzzles that use different kinds of tricks in one grid, though I associate it more with Sundays since there’s more room for shenanigans.
The cluing felt tough as I fumbled around in a Saturdayish fashion until GEISHAS/GPS got me going.
@Nancy. Great job(s)! Love both of them. One question: I don't get the clue for 21A in the WSJ puzzle.
@Nancy - although I did not know the first themer, I did guess it correctly. But as you know, if you aren't sure of an answer you keep second-guessing it when nothing else comes. The last word of that, including the thematic element, was easy. It was the first two words that were guesses.
I also had 1D and 14D in place, fairly confidently.
But no idea on 1A, 5A, 13A, 25A, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D, and could not decide between two options for the start of 7D.
Of those, 2D and 4D are the only ones that felt like the problem was in the clue (rather than in me). My knowledge of Selena Gomez (2D) songs is very limited, but I did fill in the correct answer several times, but with none of the crosses working I kept taking it out again.
And the clue on 4D seems to stray to the wrong side of the Joaquin line - not quite close enough to buy into.
3D was very specific New York knowledge that I had no chance on, but that seems OK for the Wall St. Journal.
This one was not for me.
I knew lamina from a topology course 60 years ago, and I encountered it last year when a surgeon performed a laminectomy on my lower spine. And...lamina is a nice palindrome.
Rime is a common occurrence on Mt Washington, the live free or die state. JFGI
Couldn’t seal the deal on this one because I was sure the state “motto” Don’t tread on me and I couldn’t figure out how to make that work… And I simply put EGG one in each circle. But I have to say I enjoyed this. I don’t mind being beaten every now and then.
WHAT A DIFFERENCE IN ONLINE PUZZLE INTERFACES!!!!!!!
So I just went to the LAT website and interacted with their puzzle interface. While typing on a screen is not my preferred method of ever doing a crossword, neither did it make me want to slit my wrists. The WSJ did. I have never in my life seen a less user friendly set-up than the WSJ. You have to scroll up to the top of the column -- there's only one column at a time, Across OR Down -- and then, after changing to the other column, scroll down again to where you want to be. You can't see both columns -- say 23A and 23D -- at the same time. If you forget to change to the column you want, you'll type letters in the wrong spaces. It's a complete mess.
So I thank every single one of you who doesn't have a printer and who wrestled with doing the WSJ puzzle online today. It was above and beyond the call of duty -- and I know how much some of y'all must have truly suffered.
Got Naticked in Natick. LEO/SANRIO
Thank you! That one bothered me almost as much as RIMIER. Although TOTEM is at least a word, it is not a monument, in the PNW or anywhere else.
My first DNF in a long, long time...Patina/lamina tripped me up for a while, and that NW section was murder for me because I didn't think of rebuses (none of the other ones were) and I had no idea who Juan Soto was.... bitter tears.
Come here a lot, never comment. Have to say something (along with 13 other people, so far) about LEO/SANRIO. Too doubly obscure for a Thursday.
This was hard but GREAT
Oh my, didn't think of rebuses on a Thursday?? That was the first thing that came to my mind (glance at day of the week, see Thursday, know rebus very likely included here) in the bizarre (at first glance) NW. Then I looked across the landscape and saw multitudes of circles and knew immediately there was no way those were all rebuses. So I smiled and trudged forth into the (no rules) unknown! Loved this collection of puzzles!!!
Thank you; came here looking to find out what that rimier was about!
Liked the puzzle. Found it quite hard. Parts of it were easy as were the last 2 themes but I had a lot of trouble with the others I got all the letters in the NE (I was born in 1952 and never saw the machines in shoe stores or even heard about them. I was literally stunned when I had to put it in. ). But I didn’t understand AESTX. I was just thinking well mixing up the letters has to be here and thought of Texas but not recalling the slogan I didn’t know why.
Eggs in one basket. The toughest part of the puzzle by far for me.
18 D had to be—-s on. As I slowly chipped away at the crosses I saw basket appearing then I finished the section. Middle one easy when I realized there were 2 words mixed up.
Ah another sign of my age. Leo Rosten
Very well known author at one time Now learned he is much less well known among younger solvers
Still do not think that if a third of the solvers knew the name well, it is truly a natick.
Tough puzzle but I do not think it was unfair
If this was only medium then I'm the dumbest person on this planet. Impossible slog. Dnf and hated every second.
As I said in my email, congrats on your puzzle, Nancy, which I enjoyed a lot.
I'll try to get to the WSJ this weekend if it's available :)
I agree with you, Nancy re: WSJ puzzle format :(
Broke an eleven day streak and frankly, I'm sore about it. IMHO, the problem was the inconsistency in the rebus uses. BusinessPleasure was gorgeous.
I guess you could stretch for AESTX by saying that mixing up the letter is 'messing' with Texas.
But the NE was far too contrived. In the 'Business Pleasure' example, you don't see the word MIX or WITH in the answer so why would it be in the BASKET/EGG answer. It worked perfectly if you just answered, as I did, with BASEGGET.
Same issue with CRYMILK. Works perfectly and even looks nice.
Sorry, but an ugly puzzle for me.
I'm surprised how many of you did not know SANRIO. Having raised two daughters in the Hello Kitty phase, everything was made by Sanrio.
It was awful because after almost 30 minutes I didn’t care if I solved it or not. Maybe I could have, maybe not. But it made me not GAF, and to me that’s awful. lol?
I didn’t like it either. Seemed inconsistent in its construction. Never got into the rhythm of it.
Same. Rimier was the only thing that really perplexed me about this one. Otherwise, really fun!
Hated this puzzle. Can’t remember the last time I got stuck on a Thursday. Never listened to Jason Mraz nor will I ever, but I’ll never forget this song title. Ugh
A totem (pole) commemorates a family or clan, or an event that can be actual or mythological. I think calling one a "monument" is fine.
Flag of the 13 colonial states in Revolutionary war.
Thank you, @anon 1:21, for explaining 67a AMA. To me, that's the American Medical Association and nothing else. I was really scratching my head on that clue. Also, hand up for pAtINA before LAMINA.
Those aside, I enjoyed this immensely. Lots of fun stuff to figure out. Gettable without being too obvious. Got the EGGS thing because of 18d EGGSON. Wondered if they were all going to be like that: no-o-o.
Complaints about the fill are so minor they're not worth mentioning. This is as complete a puzzle as I've ever seen, and it gets an eagle from me--maybe even an albatross.
Wordle par.
MENS SIN
IT’SFUTILE TO CRY
WHERE AS PLEASURE RERAN.
I’M SPITEFUL, SO why?
YOUR BUSINESS with MYMAN.
--- IRINA BANKS
Surprised Rex loved this one. I did not like having only one of the gimmicks use words in the circled squares while the rest used single letters. Not elegant at all. I finished on 17A and had quite a head scratching session before I finally solved the ALL YOUR EGGS rebus. Not clever, just clunky IMO.
Why are all the comments in italics?
italics?
Fantastic puzzle!!! My last filled in circles were ALL YOUR EGGS. I remember the X-ray machines in shoe stores. First thing we would run to if we were in a shoe store, when we were kids. I agonized over the last letter of 36D/58A until the author Leo Rosten finally rang a faint bell. Very clever and very different.
Me likey!!!
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