Pyramus' beloved, in myth / TUES 8-27-24 / "You're the One That I Want," for one / Hawaiian goose / Stark daughter on "Game of Thrones"

Tuesday, August 27, 2024

Hello, everyone! It’s Clare for the last Tuesday in August. I’m currently recovering from jet lag (and sickness) after a lovely trip to the south of France last week! My sister and I managed to pack our quick trip with beaches and cliffs in Cassis, the streets of Marseilles, a lavender field in Aix-en-Provence, wine tasting in Nîmes, and a gorgeous chateau in Redessan for a friend’s wedding. (Side note: French weddings last a loong time. We didn’t even get on the dance floor until after midnight, and we got back to our hotel around 4 a.m.) Still, the best part of the trip was that my body tolerated the gluten (wheat is somehow less processed in Europe), so I ate my weight in bread and pastries. But now, it’s back to work I go in what is an especially hectic time for me. But oh, well, at least I have crosswords (and endless sports, of course) to keep my mind off things. 

Anywho, on to the puzzle…

Constructor:
Julia Hoepner

Relative difficulty: Easy-medium

THEME: BAD BREAKUP (68A: Messy end to a relationship, with a hint to this puzzle's shaded squares) — The shaded squares are synonyms for “bad” that are broken up by black squares

Theme answers:
  • MANDELBROT — TEN
  • AGNOSTIC — KYOTO 
  • POEM — ALIGN — ANT
  • MY HAT — EDNA MODE 
  • RONA — STYLE GUIDE
Word of the Day: MANDELBROT (17A: Mathematician Benoit ___, coiner of the word "fractal") —
Benoit B. Mandelbrot was a Polish-born French-American mathematician and polymath with broad interests in the practical sciences, especially regarding what he labeled as "the art of roughness" of physical phenomena and "the uncontrolled element in life". He referred to himself as a "fractalist" and is recognized for his contribution to the field of fractal geometry, which included coining the word "fractal", as well as developing a theory of "roughness and self-similarity" in nature. (WIKI)
• • •
That was a rather cute puzzle, especially considering it’s the constructor’s debut. The revealer was a nice payoff and really solidified my feelings about the puzzle. I still didn’t love all of it — it seemed that there was a little more crosswordese than usual to make the theme (and construction) work. But overall, I thought it was a great debut, and the theme made up for some of the other aspects I was prepared to be more meh about. 

This puzzle was one of the rare occasions where the theme actually helped me with the solve. I also think it’s visually appealing that the puzzle is sort of, kind of symmetrical. You just have to slice it in half horizontally and rotate the bottom 180 degrees. Easy peasy. In terms of the theme answers, I really liked the way MALIGNANT is split twice in the long, marquee spot. I think HATED worked the least — it seems to be the odd one out because the other words are much more commonly used as adjectives. (I do acknowledge that the Baltimore football team’s name has become the HATED Ravens.) 

My favorite answers were some of the longer ones. ESCAPE ROOM (14A: Social activity that one tries to get out of?) was clever and funny. I will always like anything and everything with EDNA MODE (50A: Fashion designer in "The Incredibles") in it; she’s an icon. STYLE GUIDE (63A: Copywriter's handbook) worked really well, and my sister is literally a copy editor, so I’ve heard about the AP Stylebook a million and one times (and have even asked her to consult it for me as I’m doing these write-ups). And even though I didn’t know who Benoit MANDELBROT (17A) was before today’s crossword, that’s a cool name, and I now know a lot more about fractals. 

Another answer I liked was EGBDF (35D: Musical staff letters), which looks all sorts of ugly and confusing but actually makes a lot of sense and is fun. (My piano teacher taught me the mnemonic device “Every Good Boy Does Fine” to remember the bass clef notes.) Having IMHO (52A: Start of a texter's two cents) and CHIME IN (55A: Give one's two cents) as mirror clues that sit on top of each other was nice. AREPA (36A: Cornmeal cake in Colombian cuisine), which I mentioned in my last write-up three weeks ago, is back in the puzzle, and that’s a word (and a food) I will always love. PERUSE (15D: Read carefully ... or leisurely) is a great word; I’d never really thought about the fact that it’s a contronym that can mean to read either carefully or in a leisurely way. 

I flew through this puzzle to start but then slowed. I had a hard time with GUT FLORA (10D: Micro-organisms in the digestive tract) because apparently, I don’t take good enough care of my gut. I didn’t know LBO (65D: Wall St. acquisition) because apparently, I don’t follow the stock market enough (or at all). I’d forgotten HOTH (56D: Ice planet in "The Empire Strikes Back") until I got the first two letters from the acrosses (apparently, I should rewatch “Star Wars”). I thought the answer was “seedy” instead of NEEDY (28D: Down-and-out). I also hate “RONA” (62A) as slang for COVID-19, so my brain refused to see that as an option for a while. 

Some of the rest of the puzzle wasn’t overly exciting, such as TEN TO (31D: Fifty minutes past the hour) (which could have been “ten of”) or MADE DO (4D: Worked with what's available). And clue/answers such as ERM (66D: Indecisive sound) could truly have been many different three-letter words. ABET, AIDE, ANTI, LSAT, CEL, ORB, TITLE, etc., just did nothing for me. But even some of the more basic answers — such as PRE (33A: Lead-in to algebra or calculus), NOR (7D: "Water, water, every where, / ___ any drop to drink": "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner"), and GENE (12D: Apt name for a DNA expert?) — seemed clued in slightly different ways than the norm, which I appreciated.

Misc.:
  • You’d best believe I got EARL (25A: Rank above viscount) in a split second because of the number of historical romances I’ve read (and watched). 
  • Weirdly enough, I got THISBE (49D: Pyramus' beloved, in myth) pretty quickly because of a YA romance book I read years ago called “Along for the Ride,” where the main character’s father is obsessed with Greek mythology and names her half-sister THISBE. So once I had a couple of letters filled in, I was golden. 
  • When my sister and I were in France, we rented a car and checked — and checked again and again — that the car we were getting was automatic and not MANUAL (51D: Not automatic). Thankfully, it all worked out. And driving in France wasn’t too bad, except that there were so many roundabouts. Like, we really couldn’t go more than a kilometer without a roundabout. And at most of them, we just continued straight anyway. 
  • Gotta say I’m glad that I took the LSAT (2D: Future J.D.'s exam) when the logic games were still a section on the test. They were by far my favorite (and best) section. And I confess that I still randomly do logic games like these to this day and time myself because I think they’re really fun.
Signed, Clare Carroll, whose body is saying it’s 6 a.m. in France even though the brain knows it’s midnight in DC.

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93 comments:

okanaganer 12:59 AM  

Hi Clare! "6 a.m. in France, (but) it's midnight in D.C." would be a great opening line for a mystery novel.

I did this down clues only and I almost succeeded. I was done in by guessing CRIMEAN for 55 across, crossing ROTH and THASBE both of which were unknown names and sounded (kinda) legit. But I'm happy to have come so close, what with the difficult (for Tuesday) answers: AREPA, ENDA MODE, EGBDF (!!!), HOTH, and THISBE. I guessed BAD BREAKUP was the revealer as soon as I ditched IPO in favor of LBO at 65 down.

For any of you "downs only" haters, as they say it's a free country and it's all about enjoying the experience. I enjoyed doing this "down clues only" wayyyy more than I would the regular way, and try it if you want, you might like it too.

jae 1:42 AM  

Easy. Did not know MANDEL BROTTENT but did know EDNA MODE.

Pretty smooth grid given the theme constraints and very clever/amusing. Fun puzzle liked it a bunch!

Curmudgeon 3:39 AM  

ERM is not any hesitation sound I’ve ever heard. I am an infectious disease professional and never encountered RONA as parlance for Covid-19. How’s that for obscurity.

Anonymous 4:20 AM  

The history of wheat and wheat protection is interesting. A lot of people don't agree with the variety of wheat commonly used in the US these days, perhaps why things were better for you in Europe!

Conrad 5:06 AM  


Easy, even though I didn't know THISBE (49D) or EDNA MODE (50A). Like @okanaganer, I saw three letters and "Wall St." in the 65D clue and immediately thought ipO, but then realized that an IPO is not a buyout. For those who may not know, LBO is Leveraged BuyOut.

Anonymous 5:29 AM  

Fract-ually speaking, in the German language “Mandelbrot” means “Almond Bread”.

Anonymous 5:41 AM  

“the rona” was definitely a thing. “Erm” is more crosswordese.

Liveprof 6:04 AM  

MANDELBROT is a wonderful cookie, similar to the biscotti. How nice to run into it, however it's clued.

Liveprof 6:06 AM  

In Yiddish, MANDELBROT means almond bread.

Anonymous 6:06 AM  

How about cluing it a RONA Jaffe?

BobL 6:07 AM  

Clever debut!

SouthsideJohnny 6:48 AM  

ARTE, HOTH, RONA, ADUE, ARYA - man, that is some ugly fill on a Tuesday. I guess you do whatever you have to do to get your theme to work.

I’m probably an outlier today (I knew MANDELBROT, have never heard of EDNA MODE), but when it comes to PPP, I’m an outlier everyday (at least I’m consistent - I hate it every day as well).

Anonymous 7:15 AM  

Great puzzle! I typically struggle with the names, so I was thrilled to see MANDELBROT, which I knew right away!

p.s. EGBDF is for treble clef, not bass clef

Anonymous 7:20 AM  

Bass clef is GBDFA. Treble clef (g clef) is EGBDF. How about crosswordy gossip lady Rona Barrett?

mom 7:24 AM  

Did anyone really call it "Rona???" And why cross this with "Hoth" in an otherwise nice puzzle?

mom 7:26 AM  

If you read English novels you probably will have come across "ERM." It's the Brits' "UM."

Anonymous 7:27 AM  

Liked the puzzle and never heard of the math guy even with a Maths degree. Also EGBDF is TREBEL. Good Boys Do Fine Always is for the bass. (GBDFA)

Gary Jugert 7:29 AM  

Heh. They wrote a puzzle about me. How lovely of them. Of course I'd never break up with you or MANDELBROT.

For anyone rooting for my demise, you should know the movers were six hours late yesterday (not their fault), barely got anything loaded up, and still must do the majority of the work today. Cirque de Soleil performers are in the motel room above me apparently, AND (get this) the primary music software I use everyday all day long suddenly and completely went out of business yesterday. I'm sure this is how kharma works for being ROTTEN, ICKY, MALIGNANT, HATED and NASTY.

EDNA MODE is a wonderful character. "No capes!" Get to know her.

Hi Clare! For the record, nobody should re-watch Star Wars if you want to have fond memories of it. Its an incredibly bad series of movies and the more you watch, the more horror you can't unsee.

Up early to try again today.

Propers: 10 (boo)
Places: 3
Products: 2
Partials: 8
Foreignisms: 3
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 26 of 76 (34%)

Funnyisms: 3 😐

Uniclues:

1 Corporal cow.
2 Angst in crossword solvers' souls who just ain't gonna watch Game of Thrones.

1 STEER DRAFTEE
2 ARYA DAMAGE

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Bolsheviks. MANY FOLD TSAR HORRORS.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Klazzic 7:29 AM  

What a dumb puzzle. Just horrible clues and answers. When is Will Shortz coming back. This new guy sucks.

Klazzic 7:32 AM  

What’s clever about it? Crapola.

Klazzic 7:33 AM  

Touché

Klazzic 7:33 AM  

Pfft.

Max W. 7:34 AM  

Nice write-up, Clare. I felt similarly about the short crosswordese, and didn’t notice a few of the answers you highlighted (like LBO), which helped my enjoyment. Agreed about HATED as a thematic outlier as well.

FYI, “Every Good Boy Does Fine” is for the lines on the treble clef, not bass (and then the spaces spell FACE :) )

Lewis 7:45 AM  

Terrific theme, one that invited me right from the start to try to guess the revealer before uncovering it. And oh, I came close. After filling in three of the gray words, I looked, I saw, and I thought I conquered when my brain proffered, “BREAKING BAD!”. Alas, a letter too long, but soooooooo close.

I liked the sprinkling of answers I didn’t know – MANDELBROT (as clued), EDNA MODE, and THISBE – not only for the TIL, but also for keeping my brain engaged. Regarding MANDELBROT, I hadn’t heard of the mathematician, but I knew the word from childhood, where my grandma made mandelbrot cookies, crispy almond-flavored delicacies.

EDNA MODE is what I shot into after filling in that answer, with my brain calling out Ferber!, St. Vincent Millay!, not to mention Krabappel! of "The Simpsons", and Turnblad! of "Hairspray".

Some sweet serendipities: Names not clued as names (EARL, RONA, and ARTE), and reversal echoes (ACNE echoed by a backward INCA, and RONA echoed by a backward ANWAR). Also, the two middle B initials for GOODE and MANDELBROT.

Thus, a splendid outing for me, a high-quality puzzle which makes this debut so promising. Congratulations, Julia, and thank you so much!

Steve 7:46 AM  

Knowing Mandelbrot and Edna Mode clearly helped - I found that astonishingly easy and finished in half my average Tuesday time.
Interesting your point on “ten to”, which is the only term used in (English) English… I’ve often wondered whether Americans meant “ten to” or “ten past” when they said “ten of”!

Dr.A 7:49 AM  

I had some brushes with annoyance due to definitions. PERUSE Means to read carefully and thoroughly. That’s all. NOT to read leisurely. I think people use it that way and maybe they think it means that but it does not. In addition, the AGNOSTIC clue bothered me. Agnostics are not indecisive. They are committed to the opinion that there is NO PROOF and therefore a conclusion cannot be reached. They don’t waffle about whether there is or is not “A god”. Anyhoo, other than my nitpicks annoyances I liked it fine. Easy.

Paul Bobson 7:52 AM  

For the bass clef it's GBDFA, Good Boys Do Fine Always, and the spaces ACEG, All Cows Eat Grass :-)

Sir Hillary 7:54 AM  

Second well-executed theme in succession. Favorite entries: CHIMEIN, MAHIMAHI, STYLEGUIDE. Least favorite: Well, let THISBE the last time we see that name in a puzzle (runner-up: HOTH). Short fill wasn't great overall, but it worked just fine.

Also:
-- My mom's maiden surname at 8D.
-- Liked GENE and NENE, TENT and TENTO, ETNA and EDNA(MODE), KYOTO and (MAD)EDO.
-- By contrast, DUET and ADUE seems like ADUpE.
-- Anyone ever PERUSE a MANUAL?
-- GUTbiOme before GUTFLORA.

RONA as clued seems totally fake to me, but I'll take @Anon 5:41AM's word that it was said at least once somewhere.

BillG (no, not *that* BillG.) 7:55 AM  

Indeed it is. and F-A-C-E are your treble spaces, and A-C-E-F are you Bass spaces.

Stuart 7:56 AM  

Reviewers often complain about “crosswordese” they don’t like even though, as Claire says, it’s used “to make the theme (and construction) work.” I don’t understand that kind of gripe. If certain somewhat common crossword terms are necessary to make the puzzle work, why should that be held against the constructor?

If all puzzles were held up to Rex’s high standards of perfection, we would only see one or two a month.

Whatsername 8:30 AM  

Hi Clare. You made me hungry with your talk of pastries this morning. I bet the coffee was good too.

Didn’t hate it but the whole time I was solving, I kept thinking how Rex was going to. I get that the shaded words all mean BAD but they don’t seem very specific to a BREAKUP. They’re just generally synonymous with bad. MANDELBROT is questionable for a Tuesday, as was ARYA/AREPA and THISBE, at least IMHO.

While I’ve seen ERM in books, never actually heard anyone say it. But I liked GENE, STYLE GUIDE, ESCAPE ROOM, and the rest of the fill was way better than average, interesting for a Tuez. Congratulations to the constructor on a nice debut.

andrew 8:30 AM  

Could only think of Izzy MANDELBaum, Seinfeld’s aged answer to Jack LaLanne fitness.

EDNAMODE? AREPA? GUTFLORA? On a Tuesday??

ERM, THISBE one puzzle I didn’t enjoy.

Anonymous 8:43 AM  

Agree with @Stuart, fill just happens. It's more a matter of how much, and this puzzle was ok. Note that the "offending" fill was virtually all in the "downs"; if you look at the across answers, the puzzle really shines. Nice one!

RooMonster 8:46 AM  

Hey All !
I'm sure has been said already, but puz is symmetric. I'm not sure what @Clare is talkin' 'bout.

GUTFLORA a new one here. Better than GUTFAUNA at least.

Nice Revealer tying it all together. BAD words that are BREAKed up. (Har, BREAKen? BREAKed? I know it's broken...)

Two Hawaiian animal names that echo YesterTheme. We get AIDE and ABET. Fun clue on ESCAPE ROOM.

THIS BE my signoff. 😁

Happy Tuesday.

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 8:55 AM  

I knew EDNA MODE from crosswords and MANDELBROT from just being a math nerd. I get the complaints about the fill but this grid is quite ambitious, 5 theme rows plus a revealer forcing two stacks of 10s.

Anonymous 8:57 AM  

FH
Isn't it 'Anyhoo', not 'Anywho'?

Gary Jugert 9:27 AM  

@Curmudgeon 3:39 AM
By far the most famous use of the word "'rona" was when Trump Jr. said it after testing positive his first time. Don't go watch this video because anytime a Trump is speaking it makes you dumber, but if you don't mind losing some brain cells, here he is minimizing a disease that killed millions:

https://youtu.be/x2g_-qtnPtM?si=E7aawj6lzW96nAtm

Suzy 9:48 AM  

ERM is regularly used by the Irish and Brits

Anonymous 9:48 AM  

Ugh 2 long obscure proper nouns on a Tuesday puzzle. I'm a childless cat man, so I've never watched the Incredibles. I really don't appreciate when they put kid trivia in these puzzles. Why was 16A clued as "Super-"? Why the dash? Is super-uber a thing? The fill was...unpleasant. Not a fun puzzle. Finished without cheating but it felt like a chore.

Anonymous 9:55 AM  

Multiply Naticks in the fill. NG.

pabloinnh 9:58 AM  

Caught on early that the BAD words were separated but couldn't guess the revealer, which is fine.

Interesting that two long acrosses were total WTF's that needed every cross. I really have to get into "The Incredibles", which comes highly recommended and is becoming a crossword necessity. OTOH, I did know THISBE, so there's that. Today's learning experience also included GUTFLORA and LBO,

Nice to see NENE with its classic, and therefore correct, clue.

Very nice debut indeed, JH. Hope you feel Justly Honored to have your puzzle accepted, and thanks for all the fun.

EasyEd 10:11 AM  

Hand up here for having had Covid but never having heard RONA. Might be regional or generational thing. Blog makes me want to drive to nearest Trader Joe’s and get some MANDELBROT! Oh for some Parisian pastries this morning
! Tho probably not so good for my GUTFLORA.

egsforbreakfast 10:11 AM  

Per M-W

: to examine or consider with attention and in detail : STUDY

: to look over or through in a casual or cursory manner

egsforbreakfast 10:23 AM  

Words of an exuberant student at a college football game when he realizes he's on TV in a crowd shot: "MAHIMAHI! AREPA and you watching the game?"

There's a new chow mein place in Chicago called CHIMEIN.

After winning the Nobel, I guess Tolstoy could have written a book about him called Peace ANWAR.

I also thought the revealer would be Breaking Bad until I got there. Really liked this debut. Thanks, Julia Hoepner.

Anonymous 10:26 AM  

Yesterday's NYT Arts had an article by a retired movie critic recounting the beginning of his career. He focuses on the movies of 1999 and says that his favorite was the remake of The Thomas Crown Affair with Rene Russo and Pierce Brosnan. We watched it last night on Prime ($4). Mildly entertaining with a totally unbelievable plot, but worth it to see Rene Russo. Stunningly beautiful. Flawless acting.

She was in two of my favorite movies, In The Line of Fire and Get Shorty. She was also great in Nightcrawler.

Nancy 10:27 AM  

I so wanted to tip MY HAT. But it had to be MY CAP because of the "P" from pHoeBE. I had all those important letters filled in and evidently I don't know one mythic "beloved" from another.

But then there were the demands of MAHIMAHI which were fairly screaming for MY HAT. But MAHIMAHI wasn't possible because of the "N" from opInE oN (instead of CHIME IN) for "Give one's two cents". And -- can you even believe it? -- OPINE ON went perfectly with PHOEBE!

Life can be so confusing.

But I soldiered on, corrected everything, and was rewarded with THISBE finally coming in -- along with the themers HATED and NASTY finally revealing themselves.

Oh -- the one thing I did right today was knowing that the revealer would be BAD BREAKUP before even reading the clue.

Absolutely loved the theme. Struggled with much of the PPP as always, though I don't include MANDELBROT in that category, tough as it was. MANDELBROT sounds like one of those names that an educated person should know -- even though I didn't.

Bob Mills 10:41 AM  

This one was "Thursday weird," starting with the fact that there were no shaded letters, so the theme was meaningless. Clare said "malignant" was broken up in support of the theme, but how could anyone know this if the letters aren't highlighted? There was also a disproportionate amount of junk fill relating to popular culture. Definitely not a puzzle for old guys like me.

jb129 10:47 AM  

This was a pleasure. While I didn't know THISBE or GUT FLORA, I thought this was a great debut & I thank you, Julia, for an enjoyable Tuesday :)
(BTW - I remember when I was a kid my mother used to bring "mondel bread" home from the bakery - I loved it.)

jb129 10:50 AM  

@ Klazzic - "tell us what you really think..."

Anonymous 11:05 AM  

Surprised people didn’t remember Pyramus & Thisbe from the play within a play in A Midsummer’s Night Dream

mathgent 11:21 AM  

This comment is by me, mathgent.

Anonymous 11:26 AM  

clare, now that your gut flora is pleased (or at least not very displeased) with naturally leavened breads and treats, get yourself to Bread Furst up on connecticut ave. nw.
they are the best bakery in DC.

Tom T 11:33 AM  

Knew THISBE (although my first impulse was THISBy) from the hilarious Midsummer Night's Dream subplot, in which Bottom the weaver and his cohorts rehearse and perform "Pyramus and Thisbe" before the Duke's wedding celebration. I stage managed a production in 1973 and adopted my beloved Bassett Hound "Stanley" from a Nashville Humane Society to appear onstage as "Moonshine's Dog" in the Pyramus and Thisbe scenes.

Here's a Saturday level (for me, at least) clue for a Hidden Diagonal Word (HDW) in today's grid: Military designation for a restricted communication.
The answer, NOTAL (stands for "Not to all"), can be found beginning with the N at 7D.
And here's a Monday clue for another HDW in the grid: Length X width, in geometry
Answer: AREA, from the A in 26D, APPS.
GEMS, 1D, has a Hidden Diagonal twin just below it, starting with the G in 27D, GROOM, and moving to the SE.

Time to "Grab my coat and get MY HAT"--hope you spend your day on the sunny side of the street.

Gene 11:34 AM  

I always try Tuesdays (as well as Mondays) Downs Only, and succeeded, as HOTH and THISBE were somewhere in my brain, and came out after CHIMEIN was guessed. BTW, typo in your comment. (ENDA)

Charles 11:42 AM  

This was difficult for a Tuesday. Nene crossing Ednamode killed me. I was not familiar with either.

Sailor 11:42 AM  

"Good Boys Do Fine Always"

Tom Snout 11:52 AM  

Appreciate the hat tip

Anonymous 11:56 AM  

MANDELBROTTENT was the baddest breakup, at our house, as never heard up Mandelbrot. Fractal, to be sure. But thanx goodness, all its crosses were neighborly.

Also a no-know was scored by EDNAMODE. Again, fair crossers fashioned the aid I needed to dig it out.

Solvequest got much tenser, in the GUTFLORA/AREPA/ARYA area. Lost many precious nanoseconds. Ended up guessin everything ok, tho.

As far as all them crosswordese fillin plaints: hey -- M&A holds all xwords up to the loftiest of runtpuz standards of excellency, sooo ... everything here is most copasetic.

staff weeject pick, of a mere 8 choices: ERM. With this btw-er: We use closed caption on all the PBS British shows, so that we can understand what they're all sayin. ERM pops up a lot on the screen.

Thanx for the fun puztheme, Ms. Hoepner darlin. It kinda broke us up. And congratz on yer mighty fine debut.

Masked & Anonymo4Us


**gruntz**

Anonymous 12:08 PM  

Every good boy deserves fudge.

Bob Swidler 12:10 PM  

It’s “every good boy deserves fudge”.

Anonymous 12:38 PM  

I easily MADE DO while completely ignoring those B A D shaded squares. This, even though I still have no idea (nor wish to) about TED, EDNA MODE, RONA, ESCAPE ROOM or ARYA. Also unknown to me were HOTH, THISBE and MANDELBROT.

Must agree with Clare about RONA. My good friend Rona would agree. Fortunately, I haven't once heard or read anyone use that word!

And please stop it with ERM, used only in meh crosswords.

Bob Swidler 12:41 PM  

It’s “every good boy deserves fudge”.

Sam 12:51 PM  

Nice you get the hang of them, roundabouts are vastly superior.

jae 1:12 PM  

RE: ERM. - we watch a lot of BBC shows on PBS and we always have the subtitles on. ERM shows up quite frequently.

Anonymous 1:22 PM  

Your nitpicks went 0-2 today.

Per M-W
:a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

Anonymous 1:30 PM  

"Why was 16A clued as "Super-"? Why the dash? Is super-uber a thing?"
I googled it various ways, didn't find a satisfactory answer. Anyone else know?

M and A 1:32 PM  

Lotsa new comments have shown up since I entered mine. I'm gonna assume that the GoogleMonster ate my homework, and try again ...

MANDELBROTTENT was the baddest breakup, at our house, as never heard up Mandelbrot. Fractal, to be sure. But thanx goodness, all its crosses were neighborly.

Also a no-know was scored by EDNAMODE. Again, fair crossers fashioned the aid I needed to dig it out.

Solvequest got much tenser, in the GUTFLORA/AREPA/ARYA area. Lost many precious nanoseconds. Ended up guessin everything ok, tho.

As far as all them crosswordese fillin plaints: hey -- M&A holds all xwords up to the loftiest of runtpuz standards of excellency, sooo ... everything here is most copasetic.

staff weeject pick, of a mere 8 choices: ERM. With this btw-er: We use closed caption on all the PBS British shows, so that we can understand what they're all sayin. ERM pops up a lot on the screen.

Thanx for the fun puztheme, Ms. Hoepner darlin. It kinda broke us up. And congratz on yer mighty fine debut.

Masked & Anonymo4Us


**gruntz**

Tom Q. 3:14 PM  

Like a few above, I knew THISBE immediately from its Midsummer Night's Dream usage.

On the other hand, AREPA/GUTFLORA was pure Natick for me. I guessed the right cross-letter, because nothing else really fit, but I don't expect obscure Naticks on Tuesday.

Anonymous 3:17 PM  

No one in my world ever said “rona”, although I try not to watch , see or hear any Trump family bs. All in all most NYT puzzles are heavily slanted to East coast trivia. I’m in the great Pacific Northwest, and I bet if I made a puzzle with slang and trivia from this region, many easterners would be stumped. Just sayin….

Anonymous 3:19 PM  

No, no one ever called it rona — bad clue!!

pbc 3:47 PM  

Super- is being clued as a prefix, like uber- in ubermensch.

Anonymous 4:09 PM  

That is how I knew it!

Anonymous 4:09 PM  

Curmudgeon
The fact you never heard erm or ‘rona doesn’t mean they don’t exist or that they are rare. It is a big country. Also being in the medical field is almost irrelevant because the clue doesn’t ask for medical slang but what many people called it. I think it is (was?) more a right wing thing. I never heard it used by anyon

Les S. More 4:20 PM  

Same here. I hear "um" and I see "erm". It's weird.

dgd 4:43 PM  

Southside Johnny
A due is not really trivia. It is something that has appeared often in the puzzle so it is really crosswordese. But of course you dislike crosswordese also so I guess it’s all the same to you.
I personally think it is harsh to call it junk. Pabloinnh calls them old friends I have the same reaction.

Anonymous 4:47 PM  

Mom
As was noted before, by Gary Jugert, Donald Trump Jr used the term RONA so it is a thing, however much you might not like it. Maybe it’s more a right wing term?

dgd 4:57 PM  

Steve
Interesting point about ten to and ten of
In my encounters with English people when I was in Europe years ago, I got confused about half seven. Is that seven thirty or six thirty. ( The German equivalent is 6:30). So it works both ways.

Anonymous 5:04 PM  

I remember a column in a newspaper or a segment on the radio ( can’t remember which) called Perusing the Periodicals.
Peruse most certainly includes casual reading. It is the most common use of the word. I think practically the older meaning is no longer used. Obviously some people think the first meaning is the only one that counts ( except when it doesn’t of course) That is not how language works

Anonymous 5:12 PM  

Anonymous 12:05
Thanks confirming what I thought I remembered about the play within the play by the rude mechanicals. I was too lazy to look it up!

Art Wholeflaffer 5:52 PM  

EGBDF is just fine as an answer, but having to fill it in upside-down (from how the G clef actually works) was a challenge.

Giz 6:02 PM  

I feel your pain, Gary. I've used Finale for decades. Hundreds of scores and horn charts. Guess I'll keep 2 computers just to access Finale files when support runs out.

GILL I. 6:02 PM  

My brilliant Monday story and my intelligent Tuesday synopsis was plucked from the nethers never to be shown again. What's up with this?

Anonymous 6:22 PM  

As a physician, you might think I'd run across someone using the term RONA, but that's not been the case. I guess I'm not spending enough time on line or maybe my on line time is not spent with the "RONA" crowd. It may not be the political affiliation, it may be generational.

Andrew R 6:52 PM  

Now I am confused, I thought half seven was three thirty.

Nancy 8:03 PM  

@GILL -- If I hated this new format before, now I have good reason to hate it even more.

Anonymous 10:40 PM  

Clare! Check out Michael Pollan’s book (or Netflix doc) Cooked for why properly fermented wheat products will not make you sick! Here’s for unprocessed food!

I thought the puzzle was cute with minimal gunk.

Emily 12:15 AM  

For everyone questioning the RONA clue: it was really popular on social media. Specifically, people would say "the rona" or "miss rona" lol https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/miss-rona

Anonymous 12:59 AM  

Copywriters are NOT copy editors, those are two different occupations, so the 63Across clue is wrong as a copyeditor myself, I always find this confusion annoying.

Anonymous 5:21 AM  

I’m not the physician, YOU are.
Dangling modifier, anyone?

Anonymous 6:51 AM  

Absolutely! I’ve got to be more careful with this group!

Anonymous 2:20 PM  

I think bad breakup refers to the “bad” words being broken up

kitshef 2:56 PM  

Easier than yesterday, so days should have been switched. Always thought it was EDNA MOlE, so learned something.

kitshef 3:12 PM  

deserves fun

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