Unofficial 1984 Olympics anthem / SAT 10-7-23 / Pou ___ (vantage point) / One who's served admirally? / Detective in high-grossing films of 1984, 1987 and 1994 / Weapon now known as an LGM-118 Peacekeeper / Liquor brand in a blue bottle / Neighborhood near Tarzana / Heroine in a legendary franchise

Saturday, October 7, 2023

Constructor: Alex Vratsanos

Relative difficulty: Medium to Medium-Challenging


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: pou STO (55D: Pou ___ (vantage point)) —
a standing place or vantage point BASEBASIS // Etymology: Greek pou stō where I may stand; from a statement attributed (in various forms) to Archimedes, "Give me a place to stand (literally, where I may stand) and I will move the earth" (merriam-webster.com)
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The grid looks pretty nice, but solving this was a slog. Lots of trivia and lots of trying-*very*-hard clues. What they're trying *very* hard to do is be clever and misleading, and while they mostly succeed on the latter point, the former point ... I dunno. Sometimes, maybe. Like, OK, Sigourney Weaver was in the movie ALIENS so [Weaver's work?] was cute, but [Swing state?] for MOOD? Er... I get that you are punning on "mood swings" here, but the swing itself is not a "state" so ... it seems like MOOD is what you're in before or after the swing. Like, with mood swings, there's MOODs on either end, and a swing between, so the clue seems inherently contradictory somehow. Maybe the idea is that you swing ... from one of these states (MOOD) into this another one of these states (another MOOD)? The tightness and electoral misdirection of the surface meaning of the clue must've been too irresistible. I just think it's a bad clue for MOOD. Also, the clue on PIZZA BOX seems to be getting away with lots of shenanigans just to make its "math" "joke." "Perfect" is doing a lot of work. A regular-ass square shape is what a PIZZA BOX is. Also, "circumference," yeesh. You don't just put the "circumference" of your (pizza) pie in the box, you put the whole-ass pizza in there. Did you just order the crust? "One pizza, hold all SAUCE, cheese, toppings ... nothing in the center at all ... that's right ... yes, I know that's just the crust, is that a problem?" This clue needed at least a "?" It's way too ornate. Again, I bet you had fun with it, but as a crossword clue, it's ungainly. 


The worst of the ?" clues, for me, was the one on NAVY VET (44A: One who's served admirally?), for two reasons. Well, maybe more, let's see. Well, the first problem here is actually structural, which is to say that the answer runs through a choke point, one of these exceedingly narrow passageways (one letter wide), and the answer breaks precisely at the choke point, so I got NAVY and then ... no idea, and no way to get into that back half because it's in an entirely different section of the puzzle. The one cross I might've gotten there (the "V") could've been a "G" "O" or "V" (GEENA, OSSIE, or VIOLA—The Three-Davis Problem) (45D: Davis of film). So it's a frustrating answer to begin with, clue aside, because of where the answer breaks in the grid. But then there's the clue, and ... sigh. OK, "who's" is the problem here. That apostrophe is a cheap trick, in that it makes it seem like "who's" mean "who is," but the clue really means "who has," Past Tense, but you'd just never punctuate it that way if you wanted to be clear. Never ever. It's not a plausible punctuation in this case for "who has." So you clunkily hide the past tense, which means VET ... no chance. NAVYMAN was my only guess there. Seemed awfully gendered, but at least "I'm a NAVY MAN" seemed like a thing someone might say. "Served admirally," groan. These ornate misdirections and "?" clues Have To Land Perfectly. Otherwise it's just Eyeroll City. 


It's too bad the cluing was trying so hard (and awkwardly) to be hard because, as I say, the grid itself looks nice. The NW is particularly vibrant, what with those "X"s and then the "Q" in the MOSQUE (not TEMPLE, my first guess) (6D: House of worship), and the "Z" in the twisty HEDGE MAZE (1A: Plot development with twists?), and the surprising three-consonant opening of MXMISSILE (16A: Weapon now known as an LGM-118 Peacekeeper). And the opposite corner isn't bad either, with IN THE WEEDS and ECHOLOCATE forming a nice long pairing (the one part of the puzzle that felt more whoosh than slog). I got stuck a bunch while solving, but I was at my stuckiest in the NE, where OUTLIER nearly killed me (26A: Anomalous figure). That "O" ... I wanted ODD-something. ODD DUCK at first. The fact that "O"-starting ODD and "Anomalous" are synonyms really messed me up. Even after I got -IER at the end, I could not see how I could make a word. O---IER seemed impossible. Really felt dumb when the answer ended up being something as simple as OUTLIER. Flummoxed by the punctuation on A dot 1 dot in 20D: A.1., for one, so the steak SAUCE neeeeever occurred to me. Wanted the SHORT in SHORT HAIR but that seemed way too generic a trait to be a "breed," so I balked. So, no access to the NE corner. Had to jump in there and get answers from scratch, no crosses. Mostly failed, but somehow knew SKYY immediately (13D: Liquor brand in a blue bottle). Didn't help at first, until *finally* the [Unofficial 1984 Olympics anthem] came to me. Those Olympics were held in Los Angeles, and so ... Randy Newman's "I LOVE L.A." ("We love it!").  Once Randy went in, I was HOME(Y) free.


The puzzle leans into crosswordese in unpleasant ways. STO is very nearly fatal. Like ... it's about the worst piece of crosswordese I have Ever seen, and I haven't seen it in years, for precisely this reason. No one's touching it. It's awful and arcane and did I mention awful? You never see POU in a puzzle. You never see POUSTO in a puzzle. But STO? Dear lord. Every constructor knows this "word" because your constructing software will be like "hey, STO works great here, if you use STO, this corner you've been struggling with for hours will magically come out great." It's a trap. It's the equivalent of selling your first-born. You do not give in to the STO voices. Ever. STO makes DORY look scintillating. STO makes LOTSO (?) seem almost real. STO makes CHANCE THA ICHOR seem like a cool hip-hop moniker. Maybe STO is here to make all the other junk look good? I don't know why STO is here, but the moral of the story is, STO shouldn't be here. STO shouldn't be anywhere. Say no to the STO. For the love of god. Please. 



EFS because there are two "F"s in "Puff" (5D: Puff pieces?). ELOPE because that's when the marriage "service" is performed in "secret" (24D: Employ the secret service?). HAMM because ... well, I have no idea what Million Dollar Arm is, but I've been watching the new season of "The Morning Show," where Jon HAMM has a feature role as a "what if Elon Musk were socially adept and dreamy-looking?" character, so ... actor Jon in four letters—no problem (1D: Jon of Disney's "Million Dollar Arm"). Oh, and AXEL FOLEY was the detective in the Beverly Hills Cop franchise (14A: Detective in high-grossing films of 1984, 1987 and 1994). See you tomorrow.  

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld  

P.S. my friend, crossword constructor Rachel Fabi (with whom I sometimes solve cryptic crosswords on Twitch), is participating in the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention's "Out of the Darkness" walk today in Syracuse, helping to raise money for suicide prevention in Central New York. She's pretty close to her fundraising goal this morning. I'm pretty sure this group can put her over, no problem. Please support her if you can. Here's the link. Thanks.

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106 comments:

Anonymous 6:16 AM  

It’s a 4-Davis problem (BETTE)!

Anonymous 6:27 AM  

Isn’t it a four Davis problem? Bette

Conrad 6:35 AM  


Trouble in the NW, so I managed to get a foothold elsewhere and backed into it. Only it didn’t help. I don’t watch The Morning Show and never saw “Million Dollar Arm,” so I needed Sergey and Larry for Jon HAMM, but that was my only cheat. Medium for a Saturday.

Taffykun 6:39 AM  

45A - Barrels at Rodeos aren’t fixtures, they roll about a lot. I know, more “cleverness” but just saying

bocamp 6:53 AM  

Thx, Alex, for a great Sat. workout! 😊

Very tough ( 2 x avg).

Dnfed at DEMONEc/s/T/IZE / LOc/s/TSO.

Nevertheless, enjoyed the battle! :)
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JD 7:06 AM  

Loved this! Died in the NW corner, but even there loved the challenge. Completely disagree w/Rexian sour grapes.

Andy Freude 7:14 AM  

“Eye Roll City” nailed it.

Lewis 7:21 AM  

This is what I want on Saturday. Make me work. Give me a few footholds, then vague me out. Make me guess. See what I’m made of. Throw me in the middle of the forest and have me work my way out. Make me brain scour. Test my faith that this will fill in if I stick it out.

Bring me ahas along the way. Turn OUTLIER letters into small patches I’m sure of, patches that open longer answers, bringing pings of celebration. But keep me off balance, guessing until the last square.

Where’s the junk in this 68-worder? Hardly a whiff. On the other hand, gorgeous answers: OUTLIER, YODASPEAK, WARHORSES, HEDGEMAZE, ECHOLOCATE, BENDER, IN THE WEEDS. Those first two, by the way, are NYT debuts, and there are four more, keeping this puzzle anything but stale. Also in the puzzle – devilish clues with shrewd wordplay (i.e., those for HEDGEMAZE, BENDER, ELOPE, and MOOD).

IMO, you nailed it, Alex, bringing excellence to the art and science of a Saturday puzzle. Bravo, sir, and many thanks for a sublime outing!

kitshef 7:27 AM  

First of all, it's at least a five-Davis problem. Ya'll are forgetting about ESSIE.

Whole lotta names in this one, plus some modern lingo. Problems for me:
MOOD, as defined. Just don't get this clue.
LOTSO. Never heard of this
OBI. Saw the movie when it first came out. Utterly terrible. Did not remember the temple name.
THA. I know I've heard this before, but could not remember it
HAMM. If you say so
NYRO. ???.
STO. Learned something new.
MEME stock. If you say so.


“Setting for vitreous humor”. Mrsshef just suffered a hemorrhagic posterior vitreous detachment. This means a period of blurry vision thanks to blood in the eye and what she describes as ‘millions’ of floaters. More worrisome, though, is that in means an increased chance of a retinal detachment in the future. Which is fine if we’re near home and can get to care quickly, but what if we are trekking through the wilds of New Guinea and it happens? We'll have to make sure we have good evacuation and medical treatment travel insurance, I suppose.

Wanderlust 7:31 AM  

Laura NYRO, you are my heroine. She may be the only reason I was able to do this puzzle. Until I got to that corner, I had almost nothing. HAMM, THA, ELEANOR and make (for “equal” - I was thinking “two and two make four”).

Unlike Jon HAMM, Laura NYRO actually helped me out. I put in ETCH, then saw ENCINO, and that corner came together, including ZANIEST and GO BANANAS, which gave me a path out. I did some nice whooshing until the NW, which was very hard.

I can’t disagree more with Rex on the clues. I liked or loved all of the ones he hated, especially PIZZA BOX, which had a brilliant clue. I stupidly missed the e in pie so I really thought the answer was some math I didn’t know. I guessed Ad OVO instead of AB OVO, so I had - - - ZADOX. Some version of paradox? I had to go elsewhere. Like Rex, I LOVE LA, or at least I love that that song got me into the NE. The NW was really hard, but I loved the clues for HEDGE MAZE, GLIDERS, ALIENS and ELOPE, when I finally got them. And then I saw PIZZA BOX and was utterly delighted.

So this was a great Saturday for me, quite challenging, more so for the cluing than for things I didn’t know. Speaking of which, I can’t get as worked up as Rex over STO. Never heard of it but also barely saw it as it came in completely from the long acrosses. Every puzzle’s going to have some three-letter crap.

All in all, SO VERY fun.

jammon 7:38 AM  

I thought PIZZABOX was funny. Someone seems a bit cranky today...perhaps a nap?

Adam12 7:43 AM  

Medium for me. Usually I agree with Rex on content but, more often than not, frustrated by degree of difficulty. Almost always Rex’s “easy is my “challenging”. Feeling smart today.

Pizza clue would be cuter if an “R” (or “ARE) managed to be in there as the area of a circle is Pi R SQUARED. Rex may have been happier or, ar least, less hungry.

Anonymous 7:49 AM  

ABOVO and DORY next to one another was too tough for me. Bummer :(

Adam12 7:49 AM  

Oh, forgot to add that all of the mentioned trouble spots (add Ab Ovo) has fair crosses. What more can one ask?

SouthsideJohnny 7:54 AM  

Wow, brutal. You definitely need some help with 1A which is a cool (but evil) clue/answer combo - but boy, no help from AXEL FOLEY crossing HAMM and MX (AXEL FOLEY - never heard of the dude, and he was in three hit movies! Oh, how I love PPP!).

It doesn’t get any easier after that with stuff like LOTSO, OBI, ABOVO, NYRO, ICHOR, THA, STO . . That’s a lot of grid space to fill up with stuff that barely count as words

Rex pointed out that there is an unusually heavy dose of clues that “try way too hard” today - I would add the YODASPEAK to the PIZZABOX and others that Rex mentioned.

This looks like it’s probably going to be the most difficult Saturday of the year to solve, with every trick in the book thrown at you - heavy dose of PPP, many ?-type clues and of course the nonsense and gibberish. Definitely a well-earned high five to any and all who are able to solve this puppy without a single cheat.

Nice clue on ELOPE, btw.

Weezie 8:05 AM  

Okay I just wrote a whole long thing and lost it, so here’s the slightly less considered version:

-I truly thought I might DNF today I had such a hard time getting footholds on the misdirects without crosses. But then somehow THA became the anchor I needed to fill in the center east and southeast sections, and worked back up from there. I liked ECHOLOCATE a lot!

-I would have enjoyed a bit more playfulness in this puzzle but I was so relieved to finally get a Saturday with some bite that I can give the wild amount of somewhat cheerless misdirection a pass. After all, as Rex said last Friday in a sentence that I read out loud to my partner and that I’m sure will stay with me for a long time, “you can't put too much ’fun’ burden on Saturday, because it's Saturday, and its job is primarily violence.”

-@kitshef, nooo! That sounds awful, I’m sorry your wife and you have had to go through that. A dear friend is also at elevated risk of retinal detachment from having been born super premature and it’s nerve-wracking for them. Sending good vibes that the risk never comes to pass!

Have a lovely Saturday, y’all.

D 8:07 AM  

People use apostrophe-S all the time for the past tense in common parlance. The NAVYVET clue hit just right, and the correct answer went right in. I did approach it from the right side of the grid, though, so that may’ve helped.

Anonymous 8:33 AM  

I was not on the constructor’s wavelength at all. Rex mentioned a lot of the snags I hit. Oddball was my “anomalous figure.”

gfrpeace 8:47 AM  

I will just say that once I was picking a password for the Harvard ALumni site, and tried 'clavichordist', and it said I couldn't use it. Because it included the common 4-letter word 'ICHOR'.

Laura 8:54 AM  

I was going to write this post, but you said it much better. This is a real Saturday. Let's get a real Thursday next week...

Hal9000 9:01 AM  

Glad others found this challenging; my first DNF in months. Couldn't make any purchase in NW: still have no idea who Axel Foley is and when do people actually USE "demonetize"? Ichor, abovo, the 4-Davis problem....ugh. Some of the payoffs were nice ("pizzabox", "yodaspeak") but most were...shrug, okay.

The sign on the wall – "No DNFs in ___ days" – gets reset to 0. Sigh...

andrew 9:07 AM  

Rex is having a conni-PPPPP-tion (Pat Paulsen “Picky Picky Picky”) today, even more than usual.

And when it comes to Davis of film, the foremost choice is you better, you better, you Bette.

Bonus of this fine puzzle - I finally looked up why they call it CRISPER.

“A crisper drawer that is set to a high humidity helps to keep high-moisture foods like leafy greens “crisp” and can help prolong their lifespan. A fresh drawer's purpose is to store food at the lowest possible temperature without freezing it, making it ideal for raw meat, poultry and fish.“

Who knew? All these years trying to rejuvenate an opened bag of Lay’s have been wasted, leaving me eating cold, soggy potato chips…

Anonymous 9:10 AM  

Make that 4 Davises - Bette!

D. Draper 9:11 AM  

@ Andrew (9:07 am)

You might have better results with Utz

PH 9:31 AM  

In case nobody bothered to look it up: Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear was the Toy Story 3 villain. Uninteresting fact: Toy Story 4 is Tom Hanks' highest-grossing movie, but 3 was higher-grossing when adjusted for inflation. (Yes, there is a Toy Story 5 coming out.)

Proper Saturday-level difficulty. Missing a J for a pangram... Iwo Jima? The multiple XYZs make the puzzle unique -- I forgive you, STO.

Joel Palmer 9:39 AM  

A famous and well known song from the "swing era" is "In the MOOD"

andrew 9:41 AM  

Don Draper (Dick Whitman) (9:11)

If I had seen Jimmy Barrett ad, I would have been an Utz man for life (he even inhales chips like I do, which is why the remnants got soggy in the first place and needed a crisper…)

”Take it from a nut, Utz are better than nuts!”

Anonymous 9:48 AM  

Shouldn’t it be “admiralTY” not “admirally”?

CF 9:49 AM  

A real toughie.

Every time I see Rex rate a puzzle that I struggled with "easy", I think to myself, "Crosswords Rex, who does 37,000 puzzles a day, is an OUTLIER and should not have been counted."

pabloinnh 9:54 AM  

Was ready for a DNF when EFS finally occurred to me, which made me remember AXELFOLEY, but I never did make the ALIENS Sigourney Weaver connection. So what, victory was mine, and hard-earned it was.

I have been doing the NYTXW since the late 60's and if pouSTO has ever appeared I have forgotten it, which seems unlikely, as it's such an unusual combination of letters. A poor day when you can't learn something, QED. OTOH, there was old friend ICHOR, who has been MIA for quite a while. Welcome back.

Also missed the E on PIE which would have made PIZZABOX a gimme (hi @Wanderlust). I had___OVELA forever before the song appeared. Come on man. Also took too long to see GLIDER and I have been for a ride in one, which was great. Flying in something so quiet is a little unnerving though. Folks who do it call it soaring.

@kitshef-I've been through the retinal detachment thing and wish you all the best with this. I'm lucky to live near an excellent hospital and have had so many appointments that I'm on a first-name basis with my eye doc. Good luck.

Thought this was a terrific Saturday, AV. Liked the Additional Vocabulary provided by this one and thanks for all the fun.

Fun_CFO 9:57 AM  

I liked it, and felt harder than my time, about a minute or so off personal best (not saying much). For once, a NW that I hit straight away. Any 4 letter Jon will be HAMM, EXXONMOBILE dropped right in, which then confirmed AXELFOLEY (great role for Eddie Murphy). Off and running.

I do agree with Rex on NAVYVET clue. Even worse for because playing off the word admirably, by using admirally - the naval rank. Most navy vets are not admirals. And while yes an Admiral is a NAVYVET, if you’re referencing the rank for misdirection the answer should have something more specific to that rank.

WARHeRoES before HORSES. Long Keola, that I kept (STe, seemed perfectly fine), until INTHEWEEDS was definite change to STO (Ugh!).

When I looked at finished grid, I see E chocolate (could totally see Will allowing a “candy sold online clue) vs ECHOLOCATE. Silly brain.

Overall though, I had the good feels with this one.

puzzlehoarder 9:58 AM  

Excellent Saturday solve. Almost an hour of enjoyable solving to get through this one. WOOD and OUTLIER gave me the start. ILOVELA and ENCINO are almost a mini theme. It brought back memories of Johnny Carsons' favorite auto shop "Shiftys' of Encino."

Today's trigger was STO. Nice hissy fit.

Gary Jugert 9:58 AM  

Another in-my-wheelhouse solve. A breezy weekend. The only sticking points were the proper nouns and of course POU STO.

ICHOR was new to me and took all five crosses. Seems like a word that should be more popular.

DRIP PAN before CRISPER messed up the southeast for a good long time.

Lots of military-industrial complexy stuff. Would way rather have more kittens and bunnies.

Every time I post a video these days YouTube sends me a warning it's DEMONETIZED. The copyright holders don't want me to make a penny after scratching out an ukulele version of a song that hasn't been played by anybody for 50 years and posting it to the ether where 12 people will see it. But boy howdy, their robots are all over it. The music industry is in a sad state of disrepair and it's a wonderful thing in my mind. On the other hand, Google is the only one making money with their video-interrupting ads.

Oh, and HARRY POTTER IS #1! Voldemort's wand has a Phoenix feather core and it's from the same Phoenix as the core in Harry Potter's wand. YEW go girl.

Uniclues:

1 Ones preferring to stay lost.
2 What everyone thinks when I walk in the room.
3 Ms. Roosevelt tearing.
4 Got my email, did you? Sent it three minutes ago, I did. You've responded not. Wait, I will.
5 How I got this way.
6 Run a home for retired ponies.
7 Disney in Ice performers.
8 "Hey, you, c'mere."

1 HEDGE MAZE IMPS
2 OUTLIER EMERGES (~)
3 ELEANOR BARRELS
4 TYPE-A YODASPEAK
5 ELECTED TO CRASS (~)
6 HOST WARHORSES
7 ZANIEST GLIDERS (~)
8 ECHOLOCATE PEERS (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Fearless breakfast chef. BRAVE EGG BEATER.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

We’re all running here to say this, lol!

Adam12 10:04 AM  

@gfrpeace, after making sure you announced to everyone you not only went to Harvard but graduated, you must explain why they didn’t teach you how to count to 5.

Anonymous 10:06 AM  

Sto aside that bottom section I got quickly and worked my way up. Oddly enough, I also had trouble seeing outlier. Mixed feelings abythis one. Some good stuff, some less than good stuff too.

burtonkd 10:07 AM  

Medium, no woosh, but not stuck either. Maybe an agnostic-solve?? Lots of great, original clues YODASPEAK was fun, although I can hear the thud on Nancy's wall from way uptown...

Thanks RP for demonstrating INTHEWEEDS with a whole screen filled with nits about NAVYVET, PIZZABOX, and MOOD. MOOD is a state of mind that can swing, done. I wound up having VET and working back to NAVY. I thought the PIZZABOX clue was wonky, wacky fun.

RP, I'm glad to know you love your cat(s) for their cat-ness, rather than pedigree, but I'm pretty sure your pictures show yours to be an American Shorthair.

The seams on this were showing with STO, ICHOR, ABOVO, NYRO and LOTSO - all fairly crossed to be fair since I only sort of knew LOTSO. Still loved it as a crunchy Saturday!

@Taffykun - fixture as in something you see regularly.

Was OBI a Star Wars cross-reference Easter egg since they both starred Harrison Ford?

Thanks Wanderlust: in your comment, I just saw the split in AB OVO, which at least gives me an egg to work with.

@gfrpeace - hilarious with the ICHOR common word:) and the HAL reference:)

@Joel Palmer - add MOOD indigo, could swing all the way to MOOD scarlet.



Anonymous 10:07 AM  

I agree, and servED made it pretty obvious. You would not say “one who is served admirally” so I’m not really sure of the issue there.

RooMonster 10:07 AM  

Hey All !
Had the G in GLIDERS, so naturally wrote in ZENGARDEN for 1A, thinking how clever am I. Could not get anywhere in that corner, finally broke down and tearily looked up 1D, Jon somebody, thinking it'd be a Z starting name. Saw it was HAMM, and heartbrokenly erased my awesome ZENGARDEN.

Then was able to see AXEL FOLEY and EXCONMOBIL bam bam.

The three "Forget about it"s was a "fuggedaboutit". I can live with NO CHANCE and BAD IDEA, as they would be spoken, but no one says "NIX!" when they say "Forget about it!"
"Do you want to sky dive?" "NO CHANCE!"
"Do you want to sky dive?" "BAD IDEA!"
"Do you want to sky dive?" "NIX!"
See? 😁

Pretty good puz that worked out the gray cells a bit. Timer says just short of 35 minutes, which for me on a SatPuz where I was stuck in various areas is pretty good. It's amazing how it seems to take a while on a puz, then you finish and see the timer, and say, "Wow, that's it?"

SO VERY sounds like a taste sensation. "That steak was SOVERY."

A J short of a Pangram. Gotta rework the puz to insert a J. What are you ? Har.

Enjoy your weekend!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Nancy 10:16 AM  

Boy, what a LOTSO really awful fill EMERGES from today's grid. I am SO VERY unhappy and in a terrible MOOD. What a BAD IDEA to have all this mindless pop culture drivel in the same puzzle. Like YODASPEAK. If Clue 54A is the way YODA SPEAKs, I will stay far, far away from YODA -- whoever he, she, it is. Oh, right, I already have done that.

Also see THA! And EFS! And STO! What's happened to the elegant and sophisticated Saturday puzzle of yesteryear?

I solved the damn thing, btw. And without looking anything up. But it gave me no pleasure and it didn't make me feel smart. Yes, it was difficult -- but in all the wrong and SO VERY unwelcome ways.



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Carola 10:23 AM  

For me, a really hard and really good puzzle. Like some others, I feared my Entry of the Day was going to be NO CHANCE, so it was SO VERY satisfying to finish. I enjoyed grappling with the twisty clues, especially those for ALIENS and PIZZA BOX, and uncovering the many non-run-of-the-mill entries - ECHOLOCATE, IN THE WEEDS, DEMONETIZE.... @Alex Vratsanos, thank you!

Do-overs: SKYe, UNAmped, Odd duck, THe, WAR HeRoEs, CRude.
No idea: AXEL FOLEY, ZELDA, MX MISSLE, LOTSO, OBI, SHORT HAIR, I LOVE LA, MEME stock, STO.
Yay for the Humanities: ICHOR.
Wish I'd remembered sooner: "Craft" can be plural (I'd rejected GLIDER as too short).
Faked out for the zillionth time: EFS.

Teedmn 10:28 AM  

I had LOTSO trouble at the cross of LOTSO and DE-MONETIZE. “Toy Story 3” is the only Toy Story movie I’ve seen, at least parts of and I could picture the “character” but had no idea on its name. I was so fixated on the DEMON part 3D, thinking of some sort of YouTube “cancellation” that it never occurred to me that to truly punish someone on YouTube would be to take away the ad money.

QED, a DNF for me today.

Otherwise, this was an easy-medium Saturday.

So Indiana Jones had to have a Star Wars tie-in with Club Obi Wan?

Nice job, Alex Vratsanos.

Visho 10:40 AM  

Loved, loved, loved the challenge!! 40 minutes of grinding it out on a Saturday is what I look for. Stop whining about the tricky clues, people.

mathgent 10:46 AM  

I liked it. Fourteen red plus signs in the margins. I agree that the constructor was trying too hard to be cute in places, but he is forgiven. I loved HEDGEMAZE, PIZZABOX, YODASPEAK, WARHORSES, DEMONETIZE, BENDER, and ECHOLOCATE because they are unfamiliar and yet, with a crossing letter or two, dropped right in.

Rex was in high-blather mode today.

I've heard INTHEWEEDS but not in the sense clued. Something was lurking there.

Mr. Benson 10:48 AM  

The three-Davis problem (Geena, Ossie, VIOLA)? Bette and Sammy wave hello.

Irene 10:50 AM  

What about BETTE Davis? It's the four-Davis problem to me.

Anonymous 11:00 AM  

These youngsters, sigh.

mmorgan 11:09 AM  

Yeah, Bette! I liked it more than Rex, but I also liked his write up, a lot. Challenging, tough puzzle, and a fun review. Nice Saturday.

Beezer 11:13 AM  

I agree with a lot that @Rex had to say today but somehow was on the same wavelength as the constructor which enabled me to SOMEHOW finish the puzzle and I even enjoyed sussing out the “overly clever” clueing.

@Anonymous 9:48….ADMIRALtY is a body of maritime law that involves private commercial shipping issues…you don’t need to be a NAVYVET to practice it, but like Patent Law, you need to pass a separate bar exam.

I THOUGHT that another rap artist helped me get Charlemagne THA God, but then I realized I was thinking of Megan THEE Stallion.

Thanks @Andrew for starting The Who ear worm in my head now!

jae 11:15 AM  

Mediumish. The east side was easier than the west. LOTSO was a WOE and I had trouble parsing DEMONETIZE. Plus it took a while to realize the Weaver was Sigourney. Smooth and fun with plenty of sparkle. Liked it and enjoyed it more than @Rex did in spite of STO.

Joe Dipinto 11:18 AM  

Number 6: Sammy (Jr.)

I started out disliking this because I couldn't really get any action goin until I got to the ETCH/NYRO corner. But working upward and across from there, things started progressing, and I started liking it. The upper left was the last to fall. I was sure I knew the detective, but couldn't figure it out until got the X from EXXON-MOBIL.

Axel F

The cluing has become so atrocious it's become beside the point to complain about it.

Quite hard to go.

Ride the Reading 11:31 AM  

@Andrew - hmm, how about working in "You better bet your life," to go with Marx Brothers zaniness. Saw their "Go West" for the first time the other day. Groucho walks up to Indian leader, asks, "Are you the Chief that runs from Chicago to Los Angeles in 39 hours?" I was rolling.

Slightly tougher Saturday than average here. Finished in the northwest - had MAZE, but couldn't think of anything other than corn. Was stuck on what movie franchise - thought of Die Hard, but that wasn't right. What is this pertaining? Finally entered the missing letters in MISSILE, which let me see EYE, and then AXEL FOLEY.

Loved the clue on PIZZA BOX. Took me a long time to realize it wasn't about blueberry or apple pie.

Nice puzzle, Alex.

Whatsername 11:32 AM  

First off, any puzzle which starts out with the man who personified Don Draper, followed by that daredevil AXEL FOLEY, is okay by me. Of course, at that point, being unaware of the beating I was about to receive, there was NO CHANCE I was going to not LOVE that LA vibe.

Great clues for ALIENS and PIZZA BOX. Not usually a big fan of the duplicates but I liked the way this was done with the three “forget about its” grouped together and crossing. Pretty slick. And if you’re going to have a Star Wars entry, YODA SPEAK and its clue were outstanding.

Missouri was once viewed as a noted bellwether state but the MOOD has consistently swung to the right in the last decade. Such is life. However, concern over who’s being ELECTED TO what is not important today because the focus is on our undefeated football team. LSU will be their biggest challenge yet. Fingers crossed for win number 6.

walrus 11:47 AM  

including a notorious petroleum corporation in one’s puzzle, let alone as a marquee answer, is an interesting choice ethically. it’s “admiralty”—“admirally” is not a word. finally, referring to iwo jima informally slights the fighting and deaths that occurred there.

GILL I. 11:51 AM  

First thought: Well this is going to be a Saturday like I guess they're supposed to be. Second thought: I'm going to splat all over the place.
Toe hold...please find something you know...ICHOR...is that you? You look so lonely all by yourself. I'll try to find you some company. EXXON MOBILE. Has to be it. Check. Go back downstairs. Add a word or two. Stare at my empty grid. Cheated like hell. I've never heard of AXEL FOLEY. I don't know what ECHOLOCATE is - I don't even know how to pronounce it. ABOVO? All the names? NO CHANCE?
Probably my worst Saturday ever. I was proud of getting even a few answers but the effort was excruciating .
So agree with @Rex about the cluing being too cutesy. Like pulling teeth. Like wanting to join Sisyphus only my boulder was bigger.
There was one answer I like: YODA SPEAK. I actually knew it. NAVY VET drove me BANANAS.
I quit.
@kitshef....My mom had something similar. She was in her late 70's but she recovered thanks to a wonderful eye specialist and some new laser treatments. Sending you good thoughts and fast recovery.
Everyone should watch "The Morning Show." It's brilliant. Seems like Katie Couric approved. Steve Carrell.... a dead ringer for Matt Lauer? You've got to watch it.....

Anonymous 12:08 PM  

@Adam12; hilarious! And so spot on!

pabloinnh 12:11 PM  

Anyone else think the Saturday Stumper was more of a Wednesday Stumper?

I mean, really.

okanaganer 12:14 PM  

Nice, Rex, "The Three-Davis Problem". I tried watching the TV series "Three Body" but couldn't get into it.

This was the exact opposite to Friday in that it put up an impressive Saturday level resistance. Almost half an hour to solve! Some nice stuff and as Rex notes, a fair bit of ugh crosswordese. I think I learned ICHOR from Spelling Bee.

Lots of typeovers: I watch a lot of golf, so from habit really wanted Jon RAHM before HAMM. My frig component was a CHILLER. The admirally guy was a NAVY MAN. And for 25 down, had GO FANATIC. And my final obstacle was at 49 down I had CFOS crossing GROSS.

[Spelling Bee: Fri 0, last word this goofy 8er.
My week, Sun-Fri 0, except -1 on Wed missing this.]

Tom T 12:15 PM  

At the one hour, twenty-eight minute, and thirty-eight second moment, I entered the KY to complete SLEEK/HOMEY/SKYY and the Happy Music burst forth. I don't think I've ever had a more satisfying solve, having started with almost nothing at all.

I can't even recall after all that the first answer/guess I tried, but I do remember the solve basically went from SE to SW to NE to NW, then back to NE. Glad I stuck with it!

johnk 12:19 PM  

NO CHANCE. Completely UNAWARE of how to get out of this HEDGE MAZE. Got me by my SHORT HAIRs.

jb129 12:29 PM  

More like just plain Challenging for me.

Whatsername 12:35 PM  

@SS Johnny: Yes, AXEL FOLEY was “in” three movies and he was portrayed memorably by Eddie Murphy. I share your summation of most brutal. Multiple googles for me.

Nancy 12:40 PM  

So here's what happened within three hours of doing the puzzle and then reading all of the *3,4,5 different Davises* comments on the blog today.

I was walking towards the kitchen and I suddenly wondered: Which Davis was it that I just filled in less than three hours ago? I couldn't for the life of me remember. I knew there was an "L" and that it therefore wasn't BETTE, OSSIE or GEENA. But who????

The irony is that I love VIOLA Davis. Her performance in "Proof" -- I saw her on stage -- was incandescent. She is an incredible actress. She was by leaps and bounds my favorite of the pop culture people in the puzzle today. But sticking pop culture people -- both the known and the unknown -- into a puzzle grid is of such shattering unimportance to me that I am pretty much guaranteed not to remember any of it by noon. So when people say isn't it wonderful to learn all that wonderful new trivia, I say: But I'm NOT learning it! I'm only forgetting it.

Beezer 12:52 PM  

@mathgent, I know what you mean about INTHEWEEDS. I don’t necessarily think of it as being “overwhelmed” but descriptive of someone who enjoys getting into details to solve a problem or whatnot.

@walrus, I agree that “admirally” is not a “real” word, but respectfully disagree that admiralty (a real word) is appropriate.

Masked and Anonymous 12:52 PM  

Wow. yep. That was definitely a SatPuz-worthy feistfight. This rodeo came at U with both BARRELS: some no-know entries plus some almost-alien clues.

BETTE Davis was what M&A guessed first for his many-Davis problem.

staff weeject picks: Liked NIX and its forgettable neighbors. STO & THA were nice, nasty no-knows. But, gotta go with an old fave, QED. QED got m&e hopin for a pangrammer -- but this rodeo was a J short.

Like @Teedmn, had some tense nanosecond moments at our house dedicated to LOTSO/DEMONETIZE. Guessed right, on that T-rascal.

some definite likes: YODASPEAK. GOBANANAS. PIZZABOX & clue. ALIENS clue. ECHOLOCATE.

soooo … what was yer clue today for PEER? M&A's printedpuz had {Equal}, while xwordinfo had {Use binoculars, say}. Confused the M&A. Anybody have {Urinal user}? yeah … kinda doubtful.

Thanx for the fun sufferin, Mr. Vratsanos dude. Didn't count em, but seemed like a new record number of ?-marker clues. congratz?

Now, off to echolocate some chocolate...

Masked & Anonymo2Us


**gruntz**

want more? [whatsamattawittU?]
**gruntz**

bocamp 12:56 PM  

kitshef (7:27 AM)

Wishing Mrsshef a speedy and full recovery! 🙏
___
Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness, Freudenfreude & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

jberg 1:09 PM  

I liked the struggle, and struggle it was. No idea where that Olympics was held, so I went with I LOVE ny, which is probably not even a song; then my choice of NAVY man was confirmed by Barhop, and my golfer's choice was a club. It just took me a really long time to recover from those mistakes, but recover I did -- isn't that what's supposed to happen on a Saturday?

@kitshef, crossing my fingers for you and your wife.

jberg 1:11 PM  

Oh yeah, I forgot -- here's a famous picture of a DORYfull of sheep.

JC66 1:14 PM  

@kitshef

What @bocamp said.

Joe Dipinto 1:15 PM  

@walrus - "admirally" is supposed to be punning on "admirably", I'm pretty sure. (Yes, it's still an awful clue.)

Anonymous 1:33 PM  

LOL. Nancy is so big a fan of Viola’s performance that she can’t even remember the work. Viola’s performance in Doubt is well know of course. Meryl Steep is breathless in her praise of her work on the film.
Pretty sure Davis has never appeared in Proof on Broadway or anyone else.
Last thing, the best thing about Doubt — play and film both— is its author— the incomparable John Patrick Shanley.

Anonymous 1:33 PM  

Shouldn’t the clue for GLIDERS be plural? It says “aircraft”

Masked and Anonymous 1:35 PM  

p.s.
And all the very very best wishes to Mrsshef and her poor sufferin eye.

M&Also

JD 2:07 PM  

@Beezer and @mathgent, I've always understood In The Weeds to mean so deeply into unnecessary detail as to be overwhelmed. Rather, I guess, than happily whelmed.

@JoeD, I can't get the song out of my head.

@Teedmn, Spielberg and Lucas are long-time collaborators.



DeeJay 2:07 PM  

Did anyone else have PIZZAGON?

Anybody?

Nobody?

Beuller?

Anoa Bob 2:18 PM  

I did a hitch in the NAVY but wouldn't call myself or anyone else who served in the military a VET. That is short for VETerinarian, one who treats medical conditions in pets and other animals. And "admirally"? What is that, YODA SPEAK? Don't mean to be CRASS, but that clue-answer combo was a BAD IDEA, if you ask me.

I was a sonar technician in the NAVY, so that made ECHOLOCATE (28D "Sound off on") easy but I can see how those two prepositions (postpositions?) in a row might make it an OUTLIER for some solvers.

For those working toward the coveted POC Merit Badge, can you find the three two for one POCs in the grid? Hint: One is where a two-fer is most likely to be found.

CDilly52 2:24 PM  

So sorry you and Mrsshef’s woes. I am sadly familiar with the problem. Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery.

JC66 2:37 PM  

@Anoa

Them why doesn't November 11th celebrate animal doctors?

Anonymous 2:56 PM  

EXXON MOBIL, as in the company that is literally cooking the planet for profit (and has known it is doing so from its own research from the 1980s and lied and misled/misleads the public about it)? Cool, cool…

Anonymous 3:11 PM  

JC66 — read the link you provided.Not once does the word get appear. Veteran or veterans is the word used, precisely as Buffalo Bob says.

CDilly52 3:14 PM  

Finally, a meaty Saturday puzzle! Yes, it had a few too many names. Yes, some of the clues tried a bit too hard, but I did not find this dull or in any way “sloggish.” In fact, it had some very accessible places that gave me some relief from the parts that stopped me in my tracks.

I thought I would never get a toehold. The tricksy clue for HEDGE MAZE was one of the very last things to fall. In fact, for the longest time both the NW a d N Center had only EYE (my first entry because of my unpleasant familiarity with retinal hemorrhaging-condolences again @kitshefnand mrsshef), MOSQUE (a complete wild guess) and ELEANOR (one of my idols).

I finally got a whoosh in the SW where the downs were golden. ETCH, CPAS, ZANIEST, GO BANANAS, DORY and NIX got me all of the way up diagonally through and including the NE.

The remainder had its tough spots, as a Saturday should. but throughout the puzzle, each time I stalled a gettable clue appeared. Some of my success was a wavelength thing because I mysteriously got a lot of the misdirects. Two of my favorites were the “secret service” Andmisdirect for ELOPE and the PIZZA BOX clue (yes, made easier because of the word “pie”) but still clever.

I thought this was a very well constructed Saturday. Enjoyed it.

johnk 3:24 PM  

It is plural. Gliders are aircraft. A glider is an aircraft.

JC66 4:07 PM  

@Anon 3:11

Well my dad was a WWII VET and my older brother a Korean War VET.

They were both proud of it, and so am I.

dgd 4:10 PM  

True. But language is often illogical. Fixture can also mean strongly associated with something. I have seen a person referred to as a fixture.

Nancy 4:27 PM  

Oops, Anon 1:33 -- you're right!!!!! (So why not reveal yourself?) I did mean "Doubt", not "Proof". I saw both on Broadway and I also saw both films. As I typed in "Proof" I asked myself "are you sure that was the play??" But I couldn't think of the title of "Doubt", even though I remembered the entire story.

So I went to Google just now. My excuse was going to be that both plays were written by the same playwright. Only they weren't. Or maybe that there was an overlap in certain cast members in either the play or the movie. But there's not. Sigh. It's just my rotten memory -- that's the only reason. Seen one play with a 1-word, 5-letter title, seen them all:)

@kitshef -- I join everyone else in hoping that your wife will experience no future problems with that eye -- either at home or abroad and that her current symptoms will disappear completely.

Mr. Benson 4:59 PM  

Only the second time I can remember when the Wordle answer appeared in the crossword. (Although today it’s a proper noun.)

Anoa Bob 5:16 PM  

@JC66, both my grandfathers were in the Army during WWI and my father and two uncles were in the NAVY during WWII. I have the Vietnam Service Medal with two bronze stars meaning I did three six-month deployments to that part of the world in the 60s. I just think that anyone who serves their country in the military deserves to be called a veteran. And I have never seen nor heard November 11 called anything other than Veterans Day. I say leave VET for the animal doctor. Just one veteran's opinion.

kromiumman 5:18 PM  

If they had changed 47A to ENGINE it would have saved the essentially non-existent ABOVO (AB OVO) and replaced it with ABOVE, and changed CPAS to GPAS. Easy fix to an ugly word(s).

Chip Hilton 5:26 PM  

Did anybody mention Bette Davis? Yeah, I know. Just thought I’d come on and say hi and let everyone know that, until tomorrow, at least, Tottenham Hotspur is atop the Premier League. Huzzah! Fun, tough puzzle, Alex. Thanks!

Anonymous 5:43 PM  

Nancy,
When you’re in a hole you stop digging.
Proof and Doubt were not written by the same man. Proof was penned by David Auburn, Doubt by the nonpareil John Patrick Shanley.
What’s more you didn’t see Davis on Broadway in either play.
There’s no shame in mistakes. But this isn’t the first time your mistake smells more like a bit of, how shall we put it, fantasy.

JC66 5:53 PM  

@Anoa

Maybe it's a generational thing, although it seems we're about the same age. I'll be 84 on Monday.

Dr.A 5:57 PM  

I think STO may have inspired your magnum opus. I was laughing so hard I had to read it to my daughter, and then I had to explain it to my daughter, and she’s still asking me why STO is so bad and I just can’t. My sticking point was BOX, NIX, ABNOVO and DORY. Just could not parse that area. Not. A. Chance.

JoshyJosh 9:12 PM  

Puzzle was fine if a bit difficult, but one quibble: Zelda is *not* the heroine of those games! LINK is the protagonist, and his job is to save Zelda!

Anonymous 10:22 AM  

They can be fixtures…barrel races would be the particular event. Gotta have country roots I guess

Anonymous 12:12 PM  

Ugh. I hated this about as much as I ever hate a puzzle. It felt like it was trying so hard to ram Vs and Qs and Zs in that everything else went to pot.

Anonymous 5:42 PM  

Had to sweat for this one. Luckily had a cross country flight.

spacecraft 11:33 AM  

Got home from hosp. yesterday, tried all day to solve puzzle but kept falling asleep. Not my finest hour (managed a phew! 6 in Wordle).

Today made a huge mistake on the year, writing in OCANADA for 10-down and thereby blowing up the NE for almost ever.

Yes, I actually got a NW, double Xs and all. (Well, we own a little EXXONMOBIL, so...)

Very hard rest of puzzle, but finally caught on to the PIZZABOX, and when the wild guess of YODASPEAK turned out well, crept up the east coast and determined the anthem was ____ELA. Even then it didn't dawn on me, but I just tried things up in that corner till some sense was made, and ILOVELA EMERGES.

Triumph points by the BARREL. My Davis DOD would be Geena, but VIOLA will do. Honorable mention to Sigourney in the 7d clue. Birdie.

P.S. Thanks to all who worried, esp. @rondo.

M C Tangora 1:56 PM  

I know ICHOR from early science-fiction. It is the not-blood of alien monsters. I didn't know until much later that it flows in the veins of the gods. I never heard it so I thought of it as pronounced "ick-" which was well suited to alien monsters.

Anonymous 2:55 PM  

When I saw the late, great Laura Nyro very early in the solve, I said to my wife: “seeing Laura in what will inevitably be a grueling puzzle means whatever pain is to come is worth it.”

To all you readers of this blog: do yourself the favor of seeking out her music. An angelic voice, beautiful harmonies, stylish and surprising piano virtuosity, insightful feminist lyrics. One of the ALL TIME GREATS.

Anonymous 4:15 PM  

Axel Foley was the Eddie Murphy character in Beverly Hills Cop

Diana, LIW 7:09 PM  

Coulda sworn I posted - guess not!

@Space - good to see you - wondered if you were orbiting somewhere. Hope all's ok.

Got some of this puzzle, which is a lot for me!

Diana, LIW

Anonymous 7:22 PM  

Too much dreck fill. Very unfun solve.

Burma Shave 8:08 PM  

EYE WOOD

VIOLA has NOCHANCE, I hear,
she's SOVERY UNAWARE,
THE TYPE TO LOVE it INTHE REAR,
IN NO MOOD for THE SHORTHAIR.

--- ELEANOR ZELDA FOLEY

Anonymous 10:45 AM  

As my surname is BENDER, would much prefer the 42D clue to read "Futurama star" or "Ojibwe Hall of Fame pitcher" rather than "Pub crawl and then some".

Anonymous 10:52 AM  

Finished it this morning. Too clever by half. Had to come here to understand the clue for ALIENS 7D.

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