Pelican pal of Nemo in "Finding Nemo" / SUN 8-6-23 / Parenting author Eda or meditation author Lawrence / Romance author Huang / One-named vocalist with the hits "Foolish" and "Happy" / "Swan Lake" heroine / Person on the high C's?

Sunday, August 6, 2023

Constructor: Lisa Senzel and Jeff Chen

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: "What's Hanging?" — theme answers are in the shape of a DROP-LEAF TABLE, with the leaves down (105A: Piece of furniture with parts that fold down, as depicted seven times in this puzzle); so the theme answers (which are clued in the first "leaf"—an apparently short Down answer) run up for a few letters and then Across for however many letters, and then back down for another three letters (the first "leaf" runs in reverse, then the flat part of each "table top" spells out a word that has its own, separate clue, then the second leaf just drops down and has no clue at all):

Theme answers:
  • ALLITERATION (1D: Feature of "Peter Pan" and "Black Beauty")
  • BAKING STONES (12D: Slabs for making pizza or bread)
  • OPERA SINGER (33D: Person on the high C's?)
  • KARATE LESSONS (61D: Dojo offerings)
  • ENVIRONMENTAL (66D: Part of E.P.A.)
  • APRICOT TART (117D: Orange-colored fruit pastry)
  • SEA SHANTIES (121D: Sailors' songs)

Word of the Day: Lawrence LESHAN (102D: Parenting author Eda or meditation author Lawrence) —
Lawrence LeShan
 (September 8, 1920 – November 9, 2020) was an American psychologist, educator and the author of the best-selling How to Meditate (1974) a practical guide to meditation. He authored or co-authored approximately 75 articles in the professional literature and thirteen books on a diverse range of topics including psychotherapywarcancer treatment, and mysticism. He also wrote science fiction under the pseudonym Edward Grendon. [...] In the 1960s and 1970s, LeShan conducted extensive research in the field of parapsychology. In his book The Medium, the Mystic, and the Physicist: Toward a General Theory of the Paranormal, he investigated paranormal topics, mystical thought and quantum mechanics. In the book LeShan claimed to have tested his hypothesis of "clairvoyant reality". He said the results were a success and he could heal with mental power and train others to do the same. However, Tim Healey wrote the results were not convincing as nine of his students had eight attempts at using a clairvoyant training technique and all scored four to fives misses. // In World of the Paranormal: The Next Frontier, LeShan advanced his paranormal ideas further, claiming that psychic abilities such as  clairvoyance, precognition and telepathy can be explained using quantum theory. // In the 1980s, LeShan's focus shifted to the psychotherapy of cancer support, a field in which he is considered a pioneer. LeShan lived in New York City. LeShan was married to the late Eda LeShan, who was also a writer. He died at the age of 100 in 2020.
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First of all, what is going on with the title? Like ... what phrase ... is that? Is it a play on words? If so, which words? I've never heard the expression "What's Hanging?" in my life. "What's Happening?" yes. "How's It Hanging?" unfortunately, yes. But "What's Hanging?" I don't know what that phrase is supposed to evoke. I literally don't know what it means. When I googled it in quotation marks just now, literally the first hit is the NYT puzzle site. There has *got* to be a better title for this thing. Surely there is a better "hanging"-based pun you can find if you try hard enough. "A Little Off the Sides," there, there's a barbershop-based pun if you want one. I'm not saying it's good, I came up with it in like five seconds. What I am saying is that "What's Hanging?" is nonsensical. As for the theme itself, it's missing that next level that would make it really good. It's just ... answers in a kind of table shape, or table-top shape, I guess, with the "leaves" folded down on either end. There's nothing ... table-y about the answers or the words that appear as the flat parts of the table top, nothing that elevates the theme and makes it more than just shape-based. The theme answers (and the regular Across answers they contain) are all arbitrary and unrelated to each other or any larger concept. So, a bunch of phrases have been bent into an up-across-up table-like shape. Over and over. The end. And you have to endure gibberish in the "leaves." I guess filling in these themers was more fun, or at least requires more thought, than filling in your typical non-shape-based theme answers. But there just wasn't any thematic oomph to this. It's fine. It's got a creative idea at its core. But the execution is lackluster.


Lots and lots of name trivia again today, but nothing that can't be worked around via crosses, I don't think. My mystery names were Romance author ANA Huang, Mustafa KEMAL Atatürk (I knew "Atatürk," but not the KEMAL bit), NIGEL the Pelican ... and that's it, I think. I didn't know Lawrence LESHAN, but EDA is crosswordese from waaaaaay back, so she helped me get LESHAN. There were two parts of the grid that held me up a bit. The first involved a wrong answer I was sure was right: -IAN at 60A: Follower of Christ? (-INA). You would think the simple transposition of two letter could cause much havoc, but you'd be wrong. Actually, you'd be right, it wasn't much havoc, but it was some havoc, especially when it came time to make sense of the tall bird I couldn't possibly imagine, with a name spelled "something something -NNE. Needed SMARTED (57A: Stung) to finally discover the error of my ways. The other semi-thorny section was the very bottom middle. I somehow couldn't remember the DROP-LEAF part of DROP-LEAF TABLE, so I just had TABLE, which meant no help with that roughly 5x5 section at the center-bottom, and I didn't have much luck at all at first pass, except with ARTOO ... which eventually got me ALTAR ... and then I realized the Apple in question was musician FIONA Apple ... and well then I was in business, but it was a harrowing 20 seconds or so there, I assure you. Oh, right, that was the section that abutted the dreadful POT SHOPS. We call them dispensaries. There are now two within walking distance of my house. I don't smoke, but POT SHOPS seems odd/bad. If you were talking about POT SHOPS, I would just assume you were saying "POT SHOTS," which is what I actually wrote in at one point, wondering if that was some pot terminology I was as yet unaware of. "Is SHOT a word for 'hit' or 'toke' now?" I wondered unaloud. But finally DROP-LEAF came to the rescue with its helpful "P" and ... mystery solved. 


This will tell you something about my word nerdery, but my favorite answer in the whole grid was ETYMOLOGICAL (63D: Concerned with roots). Something about it was just so clear and satisfying, after all the damn awkward table-building I'd been doing. I also enjoyed MANGER SCENES (67D: Christmas displays). Twin pillars of the grid, those two. Very nice. I think I also like "LET 'ER RIP," but only because it looks so ridiculous in the grid. "Let Errip what? And what the hell kind of a name is Errip?" One last thing ... and this maybe relates to my very first thing, which is: what does the puzzle think a pun is? The title ... isn't one (that I can tell), and "You just broke my toe, SIS," dear lord, how is that a pun? (131A: "You just broke my toe, ___ (biology pun)). I *get* that "mitosis" is the "biology" concept that is being allegedly punned on here, but ... what is the context for this pun? When / how / why would one make it? I'm at a loss. It's such a godawful stretch to imagine anyone's saying it at any time anywhere. Even the drunkest punster isn't likely to stumble into this one. It's pure absurdity. And not the good kind of absurdity that can make puns bearable, but ... just absurdity. Why would you do this to SIS? Did your sister hurt you in some way? A true headshaker.


I would normally do a run down of my favorite puzzles of July at this point, but I was out for much of July and have not gone back and solved the puzzles I missed while on vacation. So I'll do that and come back at the end of August (beginning of September) for a big July/August round-up. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. 

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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91 comments:

Joaquin 12:18 AM  

To Jeff Chen, the giver of POWs, I was ready to give him a pow - right in the kisser! This puzzle was a constructor's masterpiece, but it gave me a royal headache. But all is not lost: we are back to having a representative of tic/tac/TIT/tat.

okanaganer 12:25 AM  

This would have been really great if the drop leaves (the up/down parts) were actual plausible answers. At first I thought they were, because 8 down ION is clued by.. an em dash? ION is a word and could be clued by a minus sign, maybe. As it was, I just learned to not even bother with those parts until all the crosses were in.

Since LESHAN is a complete unknown (and rightly so!... paranormal pseudoscience yuk), my final letter was the L in MEAL and I was surprised it was correct. Meal program is a college offering... are you sure? When asked, Google suggest Meals on Wheels, Hello Fresh, diets, and church charities.

[Spelling Bee: Sat 0, last word this 5er that I don't think I've ever seen in print.]

Ken Freeland 12:50 AM  

I apparently lucked into the correct solution today, but I had such grave doubts about that MEAL (the clue just seemed too lame for that answer) and all the PPP that spun off of it (RASTAMAN and RESHAN - whoever heard of a name like that), that I finally decided the constructor must be looking for the student loAn program, and I settled on that. Sigh...

BTW, having only the initial P to start with, I initially guessed that the "joint venture" was a pub crawl., LOL.

I thought the architecture here was clever, and most of the cluing pretty engaging, but that PPP chunk got the better of me, so no five stars for this one.

Anonymous 12:52 AM  

I thought “toe sis” had something to do with tarsi but I guess that’s ankle bones and stuff not toes. Ugh if it’s “mitosis” that’s kinda terrible wordplay — and not a pun imo

jae 2:37 AM  

Easy. I had this over 90% done before I needed to pay attention to the theme. Clever idea and a breezy solve with a neat visual, liked it.

RE: MEAL Program - My grandson is taking classes on campus this summer and has to fend for himself food wise because the MEAL program is not available during the summer.

Anonymous 3:56 AM  

Finished with ease, never needed nor got the theme. One of those.

Conrad 4:25 AM  


I ignored the theme clues and solved as a themeless with nonsense answers and no clues in some of the downs. I got the happy music but didn't have a lot of fun doing it.

Mitosis = cell division
Abnormal cell division = cancer
My cat has just been diagnosed with stomach cancer, so the "pun" landed with a thud.

Anonymous 4:49 AM  

“Toe, Sis” = ptosis. Common medical word.

Anonymous 6:52 AM  

Did all the puzzle possible without getting the gimmick. Then cheated to fill in the little fragments. Still, the theme did not register--bad on me. Neither this blog nor Crossword Fiend was available, so I read the NYT Wordplay blog to discover that seven clues were supposed to be italicized. I solve on paper, and there were no such clues in what I was working--bad on NYT. So for me it was a "Thursday Gimmick with a Saturday Difficulty."

Lewis 6:54 AM  

“Let ‘er rip!” – Reminded me of “The Bear”, which I’ve recently watched and relished.

Speaking of which, this had to be a bear to make. Seven theme answers, symmetrically placed, each with two right angles, plus a long revealer, AND the visual of a drop-leaf table taking up huge space in the middle! This is the work of a master technician.

Word nerd that I am, I love discoveries like this, where you take a word like ERASING, then tag on an overture and coda to produce a completely unrelated word or phrase. I wowed. Literally, my jaw dropped for a moment and I stared goggle-eyed in a state of OMG-that-is-so-cool.

Then, to take this sweet word manipulation and make it relatable. Here, letting the ends of the word drop rather than just having the longer answer (OPERA SINGER, say) in one line with the shorter word (ERASING) in circles within it, then finding an everyday object – the drop-leaf table – that its shape resembles, well, that is, IMO, brilliant. I picture Jeff and Lisa doing little happy dances when this idea popped out.

Most importantly, because crosswords should be about the solver – how was the actual solving? I found it to be a sweet balance of tough and smooth. So, after finishing, I, in thrall to this theme, bearing a most satisfied exercise-hungry brain, sat happy in a cloud of TGIS.

Thank you, you two, for all you put into this – bravissimo!

Son Volt 7:22 AM  

Fun theme - but so dense that we end up with a load of 4 and 5 letter fill that for me became tiresome. Definitely some type of TABLE art work in the center. Liked RETROGRADE and MANGER SCENES. SEA LION is cool.

Blue DAHLIA

Side eye to the OCHRE - OCHO pair. Learned most of the trivia from crosses - the amount of Disney marketing in these puzzles still amazes me. We go to the SHOP - no need to add POT.

Pleasant enough Sunday solve.

Jah Live

bocamp 7:29 AM  

Thx, Lisa & Jeff; an invigorating exercise, and well worth the effort ! 😊

Very hard (2x avg).

Thank you @Lewis for your 'faith-solve' concept; I needed it big time for this one! :)

Sundays are always tough on me; so many chances to fat finger the keyboard. Then, there was the theme, which eluded me until the very end, but ironically came to my rescue in many places. And, to top it all off, felt rather at SEA, being not on the right wavelength and unfamiliar with lots of stuff.

The good news: before filling in the last cell, I actually took the time to look for typos, and try to recall any areas where spidey-sense had given me a twinge. It all paid off; victory was so sweet! One of my most gratifying solves. :)

Thx to the constructors (and possibly the editorial team) for fair crosses. I needed them all. :)

A wonderful journey. Lots to like about it! :)

P.S. I'll be priming ChatGPT for all the stuff I didn't know, or was hazy on, including: ALLITERATION; ANA Huang; San MATEO; DYLAN; 'sultana' GRAPES; AGE GAP; NEUTRINO; KEMAL; ERSE; NIGEL; 'crested' TIT; MEAL 'program'; DROPLEAF TABLE; ISLE Royale National Park; RICOTTA cheese; ASHANTI; ETAGERE; SYRAH; BAKING STONES; ODETTE; SOCRATES; Margaret CHO; FIONA Apple; RASTAMAN; DEB Fischer; IDYL; Ada & Lawrence LESHAN. (Phew & whew!!)
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Lester Ruff's Sat. Stumper was med (2x NYT Sat. avg). Sadly, dnfed at the 'Homeric' / 'image' (shoulda paid attn to spidey and run the alpha). As always, a fine Ruff creation! On to Richard Silvestri's NYT cryptic on xwordinfo.com. 🤞
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Peace 🕊 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness ~ Freudenfreude ~ Serendipity ~ & a DAP to all 👊 🙏

SouthsideJohnny 7:33 AM  

I wandered around the grid and filled in what I could, while accepting the unclued gibberish answers on faith (and hoped I would get the happy music, cuz there was know way I was going to find a typo when half of the answers are just nonsense anyway).

When I saw Jeff Chen was one of the constructors, I was hoping it wouldn’t be one of those “too clever by half” jobs - well, obviously that didn’t turn out too well. Learned a bunch of new trivia which will all be forgotten by noon, so a normal Sunday NYT offering in that regard as well.

I dropped in ETAGERE from the crosses with no idea what it means (but could tell it wasn’t part of the theme-related gibberish) - it appears to be a form of a display case for knickknacks and the other stuff we should all throw out but won’t.

Anonymous 7:34 AM  

Thank you @rex as your write up was far more entertaining than the puzzle itself. The theme resulted in a pretty ugly grid boring fill and agree with @okanaganer on what would have made this hang together a bit better, A bit of let down for a Sunday. Back to back counting yesterday.

kitshef 7:52 AM  

A very interesting, very entertaining puzzle for 85% of the solve. Then the puzzle completely fell apart in the SE corner, leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

By this point, you've figured out the theme and gotten all the themers, and now you have to wade through the likes of ASHANTI, SIS, LESHAN and DEB to finish it off.

Anonymous 7:58 AM  

Big DNF for me. Never grokked the theme as apparently I’ve been under the misconception of what a DROPLEAFTABLE looks like. I always thought a drop leaf was a table that expanded when you dropped in leafs to make it longer.

Never heard of an ETAGERE either. Seems like a lot of furniture knowledge was needed for this one. And apparently everyone else but me knows who ASHANTI is. I think I woke up in a slightly different parallel universe today?

Anonymous 7:59 AM  

Rex - “you'd be write” - was that a pun?

Twangster 8:30 AM  

I disagree with Rex's rant at the beginning. The puzzle title can be a phrase, but it can also be some words that have meaning when put together. In this case, "what's hanging" was helpful ... after completing the puzzle, I didn't initially get the theme (and had a few incorrect letters as a result). The title was enough for the theme to click and to complete the puzzle.

Aaron 8:31 AM  

As soon as I hit a clue that was yet another ADELE reveal and another that was a blank dumb California city starting with SAN, I knew I did not want to finish this. Then came the reveal. Oh, yay. What a snore. Quit 1/5 of the way in to do anything else with my day. Maybe one day there will be a good Sunday puzzle, but this was not it.

Pete 8:39 AM  

I don't know how anyone thought of this as a reasonable theme. So, some long words have other words in the middle. I just wrote (in my head) the SQL to find those in the database in 5 seconds. That's not a theme, the ability to write SQL. You aren't even requiring the 'leaves' to be real words. That's got to help in filling out a 3x7 block, not needing real words at either side. Permitting gibberish is, in general, not a good thing.

I'm beginning the 'prep' today for an 'internal exam' the first thing Monday AM. The puzzle makes this process not the worst thing of my weekend.

Fun_CFO 8:50 AM  

SE was awful. Starting with MEAL. Meal program. You kidding me. It’s meal plan. “program”? That would be a degree. Sure it works, it’s just not the norm. With 2 kids out of college, 1 in college and a HS SR looking at colleges, haven’t come across 1 school (either attended or visited) that uses “meal program”. It’s also just ugly sounding to me, Clinical, awkward, ambiguous.

Anyway, agree with @kitshef, most of it was good, enjoyable solving, then just a lot of yuk down there.

Sounds like constructors calling FIONA fat (she’s not). Maybe should have ATELESS.

Oh, and I hope SouthSideJohnny keeps solving/posting. Just fun reading how he’s gonna rip NYT in general, and wonky themes in particular.

Andy Freude 8:54 AM  

I’m supposed to know Ataturk’s middle name? C’mon! (Or should that be “come on”?)
An unpleasant slog. I’m happy for those who enjoyed it.

pabloinnh 9:00 AM  

Bounced around looking for toeholds, had most of the west coast done when I read the clue for DROPLEAFTABLE and wrote it in immediately. Then I went back to the SW corner and filled in AET for 119D, since it was a LEAF that was DROPping and therefore upside down. That's another fine mess you've gotten us into, pablo. Eventually caught onto the trick and hoo boy, did that make things easier. Ironically, the APRICOTTART themer was the last to fall, as I am totally unfamiliar with this "orange colored fruit pastry", and have serious doubts that such a thing exists.

Wrote in ETYMOLOGICAL after reading the clue, and it worked. Feeling like a smart feller there, and don't try that as a spoonerism.

Thought the gimmick led to a very nice aha!, and therefore enjoyed this one quite a lot. Above average Sunday, LS and JC. Lotsa Stuff to like and Just Challenging enough. Thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 9:31 AM  

Okanaganer: Lawrence LeShan may have been a pseudoscientist, but Eda was a brilliant child psychologist. Read her lovely book, "The Magic Years".

Anonymous 9:42 AM  

Hated it. DNF.

Anonymous 9:55 AM  

Surely somebody else must have put PHARELL (misspelled) before ASHANTI like I did. Slowed me up for a while in that section.

andrew 9:58 AM  

As is the norm on this site, I’m once again in the minority.

Thought this was a tremendous challenge, both to construct and deconstruct. One that I had to google cheat on then, ironically, “Chen cheat” (go to the co-creator’s solution page and reveal one line at a time).

Then, it took me a few minutes to see the 7 trick answers (I was only dropping the —- ends, didn’t initially see the initial 3 letters).

Then a minute of appreciation of the complexity, then here to read Rex’ screed on the title (which I rarely look at, since they tend to cause more confusion than help). And of course, his grade deflation score of MEDIUM on a VERY CHALLENGING puzzle.

Thanks Lisa and Jeff (and those she cites as helping out) for such a solid Sunday!

egsforbreakfast 9:58 AM  

Pretty strange, IMO, to have LEAVES connecting two LEAFS in the very first themer occurrence. Maybe intentional? I doubt it. Now that I think about it, a puzzle with a theme based on a very specific piece of furniture is strange in a wonderful way.

RAMEN with GRAPES and RICOTTA happens to be my specialty as a chef, so it was thrilling to see it here.

Fun Sunday. Thanks, Lisa Senzel and Jeff Chen.

Anonymous 10:02 AM  

Ditto

Anonymous 10:13 AM  

Anon 652:

Odd. My paper copy had the 7 clues italicized.


Villager

RooMonster 10:20 AM  

Hey All !
Wow. I would've lived the rest of my life not knowing how this theme worked. I solved the entire puz wondering what in tarhooties the theme was. Saw the --'s in the clues, figuring out at least that they should be part of the same italicized clue that was close by, but absolutely no bleeping idea (Hi @Nancy!) how to get from one to the other. Cast a pall on the puz for me while solving.

But now, I come here to have Rex explain it (thanks Rex!), and am now in total awe of the theme. Holy Moly, how did the construction pair find all those hidden words in other words/phrases? Pretty nifty. LITERATI! KINGSTON! ATELESS! ASHANTI! If only I had figured it out ..

It's like the ole brain is RIDICULing my SMARTs.

Bravo/a, you two, what a great concept!

Had a few wrongs in. SE corner, never heard of ETAGERE (sounds French), so just threw in letters to be able to finish and hit Check Puzzle. ARAs/sEMAL, never would've gotten the K, hit Reveal Square for that one.

Not sure if I should feel OK for (almost) solving without grokking the theme? I gonna guess No on that.

Great puz, silly brain. Nice left/right symmetry.

Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

RooMonster 10:27 AM  

Oh, and BTW, QB YesterBee!!! I was hung up on one word, a 5er, which took me coming back to it after a few hours hiatus. But by gum, I got it!

I know it's nothing for you constant QBers, but to me it's a big deal! 😁

RooMonster Bee Queen Guy

earl rogers 10:51 AM  

I grew up in the Midwest (Illinois), and we used the phrase "what's hanging?" or its variation--"how's your hammer hanging?"--all the time. Still didn't help me solve this puzzle though--I just focused on the Across answers.

Anonymous 11:07 AM  

How did they find all those combinations of words within larger phrases? Per the paper edition, Jeff Chen wrote a program to find them.


Villager

Anonymous 11:17 AM  

Hand up. SE corner slayed me.

Gary Jugert 11:24 AM  

They gave Bob Dylan a Nobel prize in literature?! Good lord Oslo.

Loved everything about this puzzle. It's magnificent. Seriously. Used those drop leafs to make the tables and marveled at the real word sitting on top and what was left hanging on the ends. So many nice long answers as bonuses. The names I didn't know filled in without too much angst. NIGEL was the fussiest as I had WINTER SCENE instead of MANGER SCENE early in the solve, but eventually IRON MEN went back in and {bam!} baby Jesus appeared.

Tee-Hees: POT SHOP and TIT.

Uniclues:

1 "You feeling positive or negative today, buddy? Oh, nothing, again?"
2 Result of ogre reducing young muscle in his diet.
3 Eucalyptus in the morning.
4 Headline from the "Are We Going in the Right Direction" conference.

1 NEUTRINO RIDICULE
2 ATE LESS CADET IRONMEN
3 PANDA'S EARLY ALA CARTE (~)
4 REALISTS ADMIRED NOPE (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Anything other than flipping off. PINBALLER'S BORE.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

JD 11:34 AM  

What's hanging was used for what-are-you-doing or what's-happening sometime in the '70s I think.

Carola 11:34 AM  

I needed the reveal to understand what was going on with the nonsense words. Nice construction job, but I felt little zing in the theme answers. For me, the pleasures were elsewhere, in the longer Downs and Acrosses. I liked the parallel RASTAMAN and POT SHOPS.

Anonymous 11:35 AM  

Didn't care for the upside-down gibberish but I guess you can ignore it.
One nitpick: There has not been a "tools" heading in Excel menus since 2007, so . . . old school?

bocamp 11:45 AM  

@RooMonster (10:27 AM)

Congrats on your QB yd! 🐝
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Weezie 11:48 AM  

@Andy, maybe you were being hyperbolic, but no, we’re not supposed to know KEMAL. We’re supposed to be able to infer it’s likely to sound Turkish, and to get it from the crosses, which we could. Something the veteran solvers here have taught me is that while being trivia-inclined can certainly help, it’s more about being able to make inferences and trusting that the crosses will reveal the unknown PPP. That’s part of what makes these late-week puzzles harder. And then once we’ve worked it out, we’ve learned a new thing about the world, which is why I enjoy trivia-heavy crosswords.

Solid agree re: POT SHOPS - also had POT SHOtS and I liked that better. As a regular dispensary visitor, I can’t imagine ever calling them that. There are head SHOPS where you can get your paraphernalia, and then dispensaries for the substance itself.

Beyond that, I don’t have much to say about this puzzle that hasn’t been said (weird title, somewhat clunky themer, not a super challenging puzzle, but some solid fill). But oh how I loathe when there’s no clue for an answer. It really makes me feel like the constructor is privileging their experience over the solver. It took me a bit of time to get what was happening but once I did, everything I hadn’t filled yet became fillable with one clue rather than three. Maybe this is what we neurodivergent folks lovingly call “the ‘tism” talking, but I feel cheated of the extra little riddles of each of those clues! (Yes, I was the kid who reminded the teacher when they forgot to assign homework; I was very popular.)

Good luck on your test tomorrow @Pete.

Joe Dipinto 12:05 PM  

I was hating this puzzle because it took me the longest time to see what was going on, even though I got the revealer pretty early. Once I did see how it worked I liked it more, but the three-part cluing pattern didn't help me for most of the solve.

At one point I had IM__AS_ at 51a, and thought the answer was going to be I'M AN ASS, given the Times's fondness for that word.

Son- of-a Preacher Man
See-Line Woman
Sea Shanty

oceanjeremy 12:19 PM  

Apologies to my fellow commentariat, as I do not have time to read the lovely words from the rest of you (busy, busy, busy today).

I just had to chime in regarding POT SHOPS.

These do not, and have never, existed. I have been a consummate consumer of marijuana more or less uninterruptedly since the late 1990s, and I run in the circles of many cannabis enjoyers — even some who, however unfortunately, have made their enjoyment of this herbaceous intoxicant the main pillar of their very personalities.

Some terms I’ve heard used:
- Dispensary (far and away the most widely used)
- Weed store
- Weed shop
- Cannabis club
- Cannabis shop
- Bud bodega / Bodega of bud (only in one conversation, as a joke)

Pot shop? Never. This is not a term.

Nancy 12:23 PM  

This is one of those hate-it-until-you-love-it puzzles -- at least it was for me. For much too long I had no idea what the bleep was going on and at times was ready to throw it against the wall. But as frustrated as I may have been, I was never not curious. I was very VERY curious -- and that's what kept me going.

The scales fell from my eyes when I made the connection between the upside down IVNE (though I didn't yet have the "I") and ENVIRONMENTAL. The "Aha!" Moment was huge. That gave me IRONMEN and then sent me back to ALLITERATION at 1D ("Aha!!!) and enabled me to fill in what I didn't already have: BAKING STONES and KARATE LESSONS. In went SEA SHANTIES (why do I always want them to be called SEA cHANTIES?) and I saw APRICOT TARTS which was already filled in.

Yes, it's about the constructors' remarkable constructing chops to be sure, but it's also about my own solving chops -- in which case I don't mind at all. A very impressive puzzle that I had to learn to love as I went along. But very worth it at the end.

Tom P 12:32 PM  

This puzzle reminded me of a quote from Samuel Johnson about a dog walking on its hind legs: One is amazed not because it's done well, but simply because it is done at all!

kitshef 12:41 PM  

@Andy Freude - Kemal is also a name by which Attaturk was commonly known. A similar example might be "US President Wilson's middle name" - Woodrow. Few people ever called Wilson by his first name (Thomas). They used Woodrow.

Anonymous 12:45 PM  

Maybe toe sis sounds like ptosis - a medical term for eyelid droop

Canon Chasuble 12:50 PM  

Dr. Johnson’s comment was on women preaching. The dog’s legs part is used as an example of what he meant.

Anonymous 12:51 PM  

Solved 105 across, "Dropleaftable",first. That led to understanding the theme "What's Hanging?" The table graphics didn't help but solved the puzzle anyway.

Chip Hilton 12:58 PM  

I don’t care if you’re a solving genius or not. If you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of this grid, you’re lacking a soul. To come up with seven entries - all of seven letters, all surrounded by pairs of two letters on each side, that make sensible eleven letter answers, and then to space them in a symmetric arrangement, well, geez, that’s just terrific. My compliments to the two creators. And, by the way, to rant for a lengthy paragraph over a title that makes sense . . . sigh. Shaking my head here.

Tom P 1:13 PM  

To Canon Chasuble...Yes, I know. But I wanted to skip the misogyny.

Anonymous 1:23 PM  

Writing from Denver to say that POT SHOPS are everywhere and I hear them referred to as such all the time. Might not be a term the “connoisseurs” prefer, but still legit.

Anonymous 1:30 PM  

agree with chip here. thought the theme was fine. enjoyed this puzzle.

P. Stuart 1:34 PM  

Piggybacking on kitshef's "Kemal" comment: The man was born Mustafa Kemal. "Ataturk" was an honorific he (humbly) added himself; it means "father of Turkey." So if you refer to him by one name it's Ataturk; if by two names it's Kemal Ataturk -- never Mustafa Ataturk, that's just not said. (That'd be like "J. Hoover, the FBI guy.") So Kemal is not his middle name, it's his (real) last name, and it's neither trivia nor unfair.

Anonymous 1:37 PM  

If you have to put LESHAN in your puzzle, why clue ISLE in such an obscure manner? Tsk tsk

Liveprof 1:47 PM  

Quite a few musical greats from my era: DYLAN, Bob Marley, even the DOORS, in a way, at 87A. Here's a joke for those of you old enough to have attended rock concerts back in the late 60's and the 70's.

So this anthropologist scored a real coup and got invited to visit and study a tribe in deep Africa that has had no contact with modern civilization ever. She somehow connected with one member of the tribe who was briefly away from the tribal homeland, learned a bit of English, and got permission from the elders for her to visit.

So she made the 9-hour flight to the nearest airport, took a rickety bus to the nearest village, and hiked 15 hours through difficult terrain to reach the tribal land. Her contact met her and showed her to a tent which was to be her home for the two-week stay. And he showed her around, including where she would have her meals with tribespeople as a respected guest. She thanked him heartily. He said she should call him Enyi, which means "friend" in the Igbo language.

As she was getting her bearings she noticed a persistent drumbeat. The next time she was with Enyi she asked him about it, but he just froze and said "Drums good. Drums no stop." She said, "Is it religious in some way? or cultural?" But he cut her off and just insisted "Drums good" and walked away.

She had trouble sleeping that night since the drumbeats weighed on her mind, but she knew she couldn't raise the issue again, and she quickly grew used to them. They became a pleasing background, day and night.

Her visit was extraordinary: an anthropologist's dream. The people were wonderful -- the children adored her and the women were fascinated with everything modern about her. She brought cosmetics and hair-care items and toys to distribute as gifts. The men were respectful and kind. She brought small tools and sports items for them. The days flew by.

On her last night there, as she was packing up her things for the trip back to civilization, she suddenly felt something fundamental had changed. It took her a few seconds to realize what it was: the drumming stopped. It had become such a comforting presence, its stopping unnerved her. She went to Enyi's tent to find out what it meant, if they were in some sort of danger.

When she entered, she saw him sitting on the floor with a look of dread or terror on his face. She had never seen him like that, even when they faced various minor dangers together. She approached him carefully and said: "Enyi. The drumming stopped. What does it mean? What is the danger? What happens now?"

In a voice tinged with agony he said: "Guitar solo."

Anonymous 1:49 PM  

IDYL is a *very* uncommon variant of IDYLL (13D, poem about country living). Dictionaries mark IDYL this way, though some bloggers seem to think one-L is American and two-L is British. Rot. I am a professor of British literature and the accepted term of art is IDYLL.

Dr. W in Wisconsin

puzzlehoarder 1:56 PM  

I was almost completely finished with the puzzle when I finally got the theme. It was the inverted SEA at 121D that gave it away. It's a simple free standing three letter word easily associated with the word "sailor" in the clue. It's an anomaly in contrast to the other theme entries. The ALL OF ALLITERATION is not a free standing word.

The only square the theme helped me with was the K of KEMAL. The crosses filled in everything else.

My last letter had nothing to do with the theme. It was the M of MEAL. As someone else pointed out the word "program " in the clue makes it seem like the answer could be some kind of academic initials rather than a simple room and board reference. RASTAMAN was much more likely than anything else and that settled it.

While I appreciated the thorniness of the fill Jeff Chen has once again used a computer to create a puzzle that only a computer could love.

yd -0

Masked and Anonymous 2:10 PM  

Nice constructioneerin job. Sort of a fun solvequest, even tho the theme was mostly missin that M&A fave of all SunPuz ingredients ... humor.

Primo E/W puzgrid symmetry -- somethin that's a pretty rare sight in a SunPuz.

Like @Nancy, my ahar moment came when eyeballin the {Part of E.P.A.} = ?VNE entry. hmmm … the start of ENVI-ronmental, backwards … maybe it wraps around over to one of them mysteriously {--}-clued entries? and yep. and gotcha!

staff weeject pick: LLA. Shoulda figured out the theme mcguffin, right then and there. Only excuse is that I was watchin some interestin TV stuff, while solvin. Never a good idea, if U are tryin to preserve the nanoseconds.

Bummer aspect: Entire SunPuz grid only had two U's in it. Unless U also count them seven giant upside-down U's disguised as dropleaf furniture, of course.
Non-bummer aspect: Cool, smooother than snot fillins, thru-out. Absolute fave: POTSHOPS & its clue.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Senzel darlin and Chenmeister dude. Quite a well-built wild rodeo.

Masked & Anonymo2Us


**gruntz**

beverly c 2:30 PM  

I liked it!
Trying to figure out what was going on with the theme answers while getting the occasional big break - MANGER SCENES, RETROGRADE, GRAND PIANO! Yay!

I did see the trick fairly early because I was looking for something hanging, thanks to the title. OPERA SINGER showed me the ropes. Good thing because I did NOT want to put in that K that was required for KINGSTON.

On the west I was a bit slower. Even seeing LESSONS - there are lots of martial arts and for all I know they all are taught at dojos.

The theme helped straighten out my confusion from thinking NIGEL was Roger - which I should have known. I love that movie - Guess I'm not a big BRANDO fan, because his name didn’t leap out, even with the BR and D. (Head-slap) But what do you expect from someone who loves Dory?

I liked PLATTER as it can be both vinyl and a serving dish on a lazy susan.
Needed REALISTS to correctly spell SEA (c) SHANTIES. Hi @ Nancy!

ISLE Royale is familiar to me because of Nevada Barr, but it was in the puzzle fairly recently too.
Thanks Lisa and Jeff for a rewarding Sunday!

Trina 2:56 PM  

Loved it - probably because I got the conceit early on. But still DNF as I ‘guessed’ RASTAFAN for RASTAMAN - not being able to see MEAL PROGRAM at all …

Tom F 3:03 PM  

Boring, pointless theme. Loved some of the long downs GRAND PIANO ETYMOLOGICAL MANGER SCENE RASTAMAN phew good thing the inane theme didn’t preclude us some good fill.

MGWalla 3:22 PM  

Fun fact: Deniro and Pacino also fit into the Time's Greatest Actor answer. Trust me, I tried both before getting the real answer.

Gary Jugert 3:40 PM  

@oceanjeremy 12:19 PM
Another Denverite chiming in. Pot shop is definitely a thing. The industry would like us to call them "dispensaries" to give them the guise of respectability, but they also want us to call the Bronco's stadium something different every other year. The good news is once we legalized pot shops, we apparently also legalized living in rat-infested tents everywhere in downtown and bicycle chop shops. We're supposed to call those folks our "unhoused neighbors."

Anoa Bob 3:45 PM  

Solved this as a themeless although I knew something tricky was going on because of the mostly but not always nonsensical Downs, some of which were given italicized clues while others were were clued with just a dash. After seeing the reveal I still was unsure about the gimmick. The "What's Hanging" sides of a DROP LEAF TABLE hang down, yet to make sense of it all, we have to read up on the left "leaf" and down on the right one. Seemed like kind of a wobbly, slightly askew TABLE to me.

So I was left in the very clever construction but didn't stick the landing group. And I did notice post-solve that BAKING STONE, KARATE LESSON and SEA SHANTY all needed some convenient help to fill their slots.

I still enjoyed it as a themeless with the likes of LITERATI, RETROGRADE, ETYMOLOGICAL, ETAGERE, et al. making it well worth the price of admission.

P.S. INA (60A) has appeared in the NYTXW 159 times during the Shortz era, most often given a partial "One ___ million" type clue. I just read that in her pre-cookbook author days, the Food Network's "Barefoot Contessa" hostess, INA Garten, was the White House nuclear analyst for President Richard Nixon. Surely all those credentials makes her worthy as the clue for INA's upcoming 160th appearance.

Joe Dipinto 3:51 PM  

@Liveprof – I've usually heard that joke with "bass solo" as the punch line.

Anonymous 3:55 PM  

I'm sorry about your cat. Prays to you both

Anonymous 3:58 PM  

What does DNF mean?

Joe Dipinto 4:00 PM  

@MGWalla 3:22 – so does DeVito. My only writeover. (Just kidding.)

David with a draft card 4:51 PM  

Given the draft ended in the early 70s, I'm pretty sure any GIs left in this country would be vets.

stephanie 4:55 PM  

@anon 3:58pm DNF = did not finish.

stephanie 5:01 PM  

the puzzle was fine enough, but i didn't like the drop leaf table bit because...and i know i'm being picky, but, the theme answers simply depict a table. not a drop leaf table. there's no base (like a short column of black squares or whatever) beneath the center of the answers. thus...it's just a table. or a drop leaf tabletop, i guess. i also don't like looking at non-answer word salad when the puzzle is done. with ION, NES, SONS, ART, i thought they could be standalone words but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Anonymous 5:14 PM  

Did Not Finish (at least according to Google). Didn’t know that, either.

CDilly52 5:25 PM  

This played easy-ish for me, but took a while just to get through it all. Big fat Sunday grid. The theme lacked some punch. I got it immediately because of the - to indicate something wasn’t finished. However, my brain already wanted ALLITERATION so I loomed around, saw the -, and just decided to see what would happen in the NW if I inserted ALLITERATION in the bendy shape. Sure enough, it solved the whole little NW piece. After that, I just watched for opportunities to use that all the while wondering if it would be explained in a reveal. Lo and behold, the DROP-LEAF TABLE.

Lots of names but fair crosses. That’s about it for me. No fireworks but a solid puzzle. It lacked some of the usual Jeff Chen wordplay, but since the puzzle contained so many rather complicated theme entries, that clearly had to be the focus for our constructors.

Anonymous 5:39 PM  

That’s interesting to learn, but “You just broke my ptosis” is just as gibberish as “You just broke mitosis” and, thus, not a pun either way. I enjoyed this puzzle but certainly agree with Rex on this complaint.

Anonymous 5:47 PM  

Yes 👍🏻 🐝

WiseWoman 6:14 PM  

@liveprof 1:47

Maybe the anthropologist just got lost during Drums in Space at a Grateful Dead concert.

dgd 6:48 PM  

I have seen the expression meal plans , options for students, concerning how many meals they want a week at during a semester. . The term meal program program probably is used but it does sound like the word was changed to forge space!

dgd 7:23 PM  

But we are not all professors of British literature or students writing a thesis. Idyl is an acceptable spelling whether you like it or not. I am sure both spellings have been around for ages. For your future reference in the Times, I only remember seeing one l in the many occasions it has appeared. Usage matters.

dgd 7:51 PM  

Another expression I know well ( though never use) is apparently unknown to even Rex. Another indication of my age?
I wonder if he would be less critical if he were aware of that it is (was?) a thing.
I think the expression had a crude origin.

I thought the gimmick became easy to get with Part of E. P. A. It had to be one of 3 words. Got a few letters all was revealed. I liked the gimmick and the puzzle. It ended up being medium for me. Liked it a lot more than many I guess. There is a pile up of trivia in the SE but by then I knew the theme (sea shanties got me Ashanti and finished Leshan).
Btw I think CDilly said she often misspelled shanties. Well the etymology of the word is from the French chanter , but since we’re dealing with a very old folk art the spelling became phonetic.

old timer 7:53 PM  

Oh dear. CAPTCHA is playing tricks with me. Don't know if my post posted.

Anoa Bob 7:54 PM  

P.P.S. Dang, I forgot to mention this. I'm a long time Reggae music fan and it doesn't get more Reggae than Bob Marley so I immediately dropped in RASTAMAN for 74D for "___ Vibration" (Bob Marley album).

There's another Reggae related entry at 12A "Capital in the Caribbean". It's Toots and the Maytals' "Funky KINGSTON.

Anonymous 8:27 PM  

Chen has a well deserved reputation for expert constructions but as for this puzzle, it wasn’t mentioned that it was started in 2005z

JC66 9:13 PM  

@old timer

If you "go blue" you won't have to deal with the CAPTCHA.

Colin 9:57 PM  

Did the puzzle on our way to NJ for a family visit... Medium-easy, but agree the SE was just a bear with the PPP's.
"Ptosis" ("... toe, sis") is less of a biological term than a medical term. I agree with others who went with "mitosis" ("... my toe, sis").

Sorry for the very late comment here. But I simply had to see what OFL had to say.

Anonymous 3:26 PM  

Be careful not to break his tosis!

Anonymous 8:12 PM  

Can someone please explain AGEGAP? Why would May-December imply age and why is it a significant feature? I just don't get it at all.
Never heard of LESHAN, ETAGERE, or ISLE Royale, and had TAG instead of LAG so DNFed in that area -_-

Anonymous 10:29 PM  

Confidently wrote in GENEALOGICAL for “Concerned with roots,” which messed me up royally.

Anonymous 12:09 AM  

Did anyone else notice that the grid has a picture of a drop-leaf table in the center?

May-Dec romance involves a young person (May) and a much older one (Dec).

The revealer played for me precisely the way it is supposed to. I was fairly clueless for most of the solve until I got to the reveal. Then it was Aha! and I went back and filled all seven themers with ease. That sudden transition from befuddlement to enlightenment made the whole experience quite enjoyable. Solving a mystery is, for me, the reason for playing.

Anonymous 5:22 PM  

For a Sunday, I thought this was as hard as my toe nails, sis. Of course, I knew something was afoot! However, for some inexplicable reason, even though I saw the 7 italic clues, and the 7 dash clues, I didn't put the whole dropleaf table together (even though I got that answer without any hangups),until I finally saw sea shanties, which then allowed me to put in the "K" of KEMAL (WHOO!) Otherwise I would have had an ewowl©.(ended with one wrong letter)

Anonymous 8:43 PM  

No no no, sorry! “Bass solo!” Is the real answer! :-)

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