Self-effacing personality trait / SAT 9-20-25 / Slower, musically / Verso's counterpart / Drink drunk the morning after, maybe / Hill folk, informally / Demand upon reaching an "enemy border" / Catholic university in Florida or its home town / Strip of wood from which a bow is carved / Rare showbiz collections / Actor Millen of BBC America's "Orphan Black"

Saturday, September 20, 2025

Constructor: Katie Hoody

Relative difficulty: Medium


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: ECHOISM (38D: Self-effacing personality trait) —
[this meaning of ECHOISM is not in dictionaries] [there are other meanings of ECHOISM] [This seems like a pop psychology thing ... I had to go to some article in Psychology Today to get a kind of definition (all my options seem flimsy)]

 1. What is echoism? Echoism is a trait that my colleagues and I have begun measuring, and like all traits, it exists to a greater or lesser degree in everyone. People who score well above average in echoism qualify as echoists, and their defining characteristic is a fear of seeming narcissistic in any way.

Of all the people we measured, echoists were the most “warm-hearted,” but they were also afraid of becoming a burden, felt unsettled by attention, especially praise, and agreed with statements like, “When people ask me my preferences, I’m often at a loss.” Where narcissists are addicted to feeling special, echoists are afraid of it.

In the myth of Narcissus, Echo, the nymph who eventually falls madly in love with Narcissus, has been cursed to repeat back the last few words she hears. Like their namesake, echoists definitely struggle to have a voice of their own. (Psych. Today)

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Another properly tough puzzle. I haven't applied the word "Easy" to a puzzle since Tuesday. Quite a streak. Why are you drinking STALE BEER the next morning? (13D: Drink drunk the morning after, maybe). I could not get my head around that at all. Are you a truly desperate alcoholic? Did you mistake it for water? Is it some kind of hangover cure that I'm unaware of? There is no context where drinking STALE BEER makes any kind of sense, especially "the morning after" ("the morning after" is also a weird phrase choice here, since "the morning after" pill is emergency contraception). STALE BEER and two names I've never seen in my life (ARI whoever, ALEC whoever) made that NE corner probably the hardest section. Thank god RECTO was a gimme (16A: Verso's counterpart); I was really floundering up there even with its help. Without it ... that would've been yikes. Somehow [Charcoal and wood, for two] didn't end in an "S"! Gah. I forget what I had in there, but it was (also) art-related and felt good. Another "not an 'S'!?!" plural ending at 34D: Sounds from 59-Across ("HO HO"). I watched Kate & Allie and still had trouble parsing MOTHERS (39A: Kate and Allie of 1980s TV, e.g.). I was like ... "roommates ... CO-STARS? ..."  So yeah, from the bottom to the top, that NE quadrant was the one that slowed me down the most. Outside of that corner, things were less brutal, but never easy. 


I basically liked the puzzle, except for the STALE BEER clue, which doesn't compute, and the ECHOISM / MENO MOSSO area. I don't really believe in ECHOISM. Seems like a thing made up in relationship to narcissism. I mean, Echo is Narcissus's counterpart, after all. A pop psychology term that isn't even in the dictionary? Boo. And MENO MOSSO is some deep-cut musical tempo indication (60A: Slower, musically). It's been a big week for "Italian words on scores," and this one ... I just had to piece together from my vague awareness of both Italian and music. That corner was really rescued by "I GOTTA JET!" (55A: "Later!") and SMOKE RING (58A: Blow it!)—I correctly guessed, right away, that it might JET and not the more common RUN, so I didn't get tripped up there, and as for SMOKE RING ... I remember lying in my dorm room smoking during senior year, surrounded by styrofoam coffee cup ashtrays, blowing SMOKE RINGs at the ceiling and thinking "I think if I couldn't blow SMOKE RINGs, I would quit." That's how much fun they were to me. I liked to blow one and then blow a smaller one right through it. I have very few "life skills," but blowing SMOKE RINGs is definitely one of them. (I eventually quit and haven't touched a cigarette since the early '00s, don't worry.)


Puzzle started out hard, but I was able to grab hold of just enough short answers to get started. There's a Catholic University named ST. LEO? There's a town named ST. LEO? News to me x 2 (1D: Catholic university in Florida or its home town). Also, this is garbage crosswordese, why would you clue it as hard as possible, thereby making it even more annoying? Also, there should be an abbr. indicator in the clue. Just an awful way to start out. But after reading many clues I couldn't get, I managed to put in EDEN, TWA, and ARGOTS (very proud of that last one). The "W" and "R" from those last two helped me see the "THAT" in "SCREW THAT!" (1A: "Hell no!") and the WARS in TRADE WARS (15A: New customs might incite them). God bless those little gimmes—they made a huge difference. I don't have much orange ink in the other sections of my puzzle (my green pen ran out so I've been using this tepid orange—gotta get over to Staples this weekend). My puzzle printouts, which I mark up and annotate before writing, tend to have the most ink where the biggest problems are. The whole western half of the grid only has ink around ST. LEO and OSMIC (lol, like I know anything about [squints] electron microscopy). But that SW section was both the last one I did and the easiest. OSMIC was a ???, but it fell into place from crosses pretty easily. This was a solid puzzle, even if I did have only an OK time solving it.

[9D: Who wrote "Humankind cannot bear very much reality"]

Bullets:
  • 20A: Hill folk, informally (POLS) — so, Capitol Hill. Not hillbillies or, you know, ants or something.
  • 29A: Sports org. in a 1976 merger (ABA) — basketball! My mind went to football (AFL), but the AFL / NFL merger officially took place several years earlier, in 1970.
  • 51A: Strip of wood from which a bow is carved (STAVE) — if it's not barrel-related, then I have no idea what STAVE you're talking about (unless it's in the verb phrase "STAVE off"). Bow carving? Like electron microscopy and (apparently) pop psychological terms, not my purview. 
  • 42D: Demand upon reaching an "enemy border" ("KING ME!") — oh yeah, and we can add checkers terminology to the list as well. Do you really call the row closest to your opponent the "enemy border," or are those words in "quotation marks" because you might think of the row that way? The quotation marks would then be acting like the qualifying phrase "so to speak." Haven't played checkers since I was a small child.
  • 47D: Sheets might be placed in them (OVEN) — When they come out of the drier less warm than you'd like, then sure, just pop them in the OVEN on 200 for 10 min or so! A great wintertime life hack! (jk the "sheets" here are baking sheets)
  • 56D: Result of the '64 Clay/Liston fight (TKO) — had the "T" and wrote in TIE. Then thought, "wait, what? No ..." Then the crosswordese kicked in.

That's it. See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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28 comments:

Conrad 5:59 AM  


Medium-Challenging, mostly due to the NW corner, which was completely blank when I finished the rest of the puzzle. I needed Sergey and Larry for the Florida university at 1D.

Overwrites:
islam before AMISH for the Gelassenheit group at 10A
I never watched Kate & Allie (39A); thought they might have been sistERS before I realized they were both MOTHERS
Thought Tofu might be added to smoothies (53D); didn't know about TARO

WOEs:
The aforementioned ST. LEO University (and town) at 1D
ARI Millen at 10D
SEMITONE at 21D - I've heard the term but didn't recognize it from the clue
ALEC Bohm at 25A
ECHOISM at 38D
OSMIC acid at 53A
CSA at 54D (looked up Community-Supported Agriculture post-solve)
MENO MOSSO at 60A

Rick Sacra 6:04 AM  

This was a perfect Saturday, 26 minutes for me, so medium challenging again. Thankful for TRADEWARS and ARGOTS which got me started, and for RECTO in the NE, but what actually got me enough momentum to get one of the corners done was "NOMEGUSTA" next to SPIDERMAN in the SW. Filled that section right up, and then was able to get AMIDONE, RECKONSO (that's actually a nice little dialog there, isn't it) and INSERTS, FEARSOME, and on. Stared at that K in RECKON for a long long time (also had the M from SMOKE) and finally saw "KINGME". That was an AHA moment! NE corner was the hardest/last to fall. I don't play poker so HOLECARDS was stuff to see. Great puzzle, lots of crunch, just right for Saturday! Thank you, Katie!

Rick Sacra 6:23 AM  

Sorry, "tough" to see, not stuff to see. I guess my brain isn't 100% awake

Rick 6:25 AM  

extremely challenging.

SouthsideJohnny 6:26 AM  

I took a pass through it, and basically had nothing but white space left. I knew I would end up googling at least a third of the answers, realized that this one was way above my pay grade, and opted to just throw in the towel instead. Reading Rex’s write-up confirmed that I made the appropriate decision.

It will be interesting to see going forward if this week is an aberration , or if we are truly reverting back to the mean (difficulty-wise).

Son Volt 6:56 AM  

Proper Saturday - some of the cluing felt strained in places but overall solid and slick. The entire NW quadrant is top notch and I liked MENO MOSSO (which we’ve seen previously) and SMOKE RING.

Drivn N Cryin

No issue with STALE BEER - the maybe qualifier opens up the if side of the equation. Reminds me of my college dorm days. Wanted the plural for 32d. Had I GOTTA GET x MAGIS initially. Learned ECHOISM.

Slobberbone

What we should expect for a Saturday morning solve - tricky but enjoyable. Matt Sewell’s Stumper has a central stack of shorts that will test you today.

Did you ever hear about
William Blake
T. S. ELIOT
In the summer
In the countryside
They were smokin'

Aelurus 7:09 AM  

In the enjoyable and laudatory 2006 documentary Wordplay, about the allure of NYT crosswords, the actor Paul Sorvino described the Saturday puzzle as the “bitch mother of all crosswords.” Today I know what he meant.

The northwest was easy, but oh the WOEs elsewhere:
In the northeast, STALE BEER, ARI, ALEC, and HOLE CARD.
In the south, OSMIC acid, ECHOISM, I GOTTA JET, SMOKE RING, MENO MOSSO, TARO powder, STAVE.

Thankful for MONSOON (though mostly lacking for Arizona this summer, a real woe), SPIDERMAN, TRADE WARS, OPS, TIGHTER, STEM, TKO, EGOTS. And for several publishing-themed entries: EMEND (though not exactly a match for “free of typos, say”; I’d have said “proofread,” but close enough), RECTO, INSERTS, ARGOTS (but POC?), HARPER’S, and ABA if reimagined as American Booksellers Association, which supports independent bookstores. T S ELIOT too.

Appreciated the clue pairs for 43A AGES and 50A TONS, and the answer pair of SANTA and HOHO (96 days to Christmas!).

Glad, and surprised, to have readily remembered NO ME GUSTA.

Was fun to be reminded of the show Kate and Allie, with Susan Saint James and Jane Curtain, the only TV episode I saw taped live in Manhattan.

Thanks, Katie Hoody, for the very tough solve and for the bits of sun through the clouds. Doggedness rewarded.

Anonymous 7:14 AM  

Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but sheets in the oven refers to baking sheets, not bed sheets.

Anonymous 7:23 AM  

Rex *literally* says this. How in the world could you miss it?

Anonymous 7:25 AM  

Medium-challenging. MENOMESSO, ARI and ECHOISM were the only complete WoEs, but there was a lot of tough (good) cluing, as well.

Anonymous 7:26 AM  

Was stuck on LINGO vs ARGOT for a long time. Great puzzle.

Andrew Z. 7:32 AM  

Two 9 letter foreign language answers, plus obscure words like OSMIC, ARGOTS, and ECHOISM, makes this puzzle too obtuse and just not fun. The fact that Rex finds RECTO (?!?) a gimme, shows he has lost touch with his audience.

Anonymous 7:45 AM  

That’s why he put in jk for just kidding and explained??

pabloinnh 7:46 AM  

A proper Saturday indeed. Tough but fair, although the ick factor of STALEBEER was a little off-putting. All rescued by NOMEGUSTA, which is one of the first and most useful things I learned in Spanish.

No one I know, or ever knew, says or said IGOTTAJET.

Back home after three lovely days at the beach. Lucky us.

Good stuff, KH. I Kinda Hoped it would go on and on, and thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 7:46 AM  

What a silly comment. It was a gimme for him. He didn’t say it would be a gimme for all. We all have our idiosyncratic gimmes.

Lewis 7:48 AM  

Crossword superstar Paolo Pasco Jeopardy watch, day eight.

All good things must come to an end, and Paolo lost to a strong opponent, but what a lovely Paolo had, and he’ll be back for the Tournament of Champions, because any contestant who has won five games goes. He also picked up a tidy sum of change.

He represented Crosslandia admirably. At one point I went to a Jeopardy fan site, and commenters praised him with words like “intelligent” and “nice”, and praised his dimples.

It was fun to have a crossworder on the show, and I look forward to seeing him again in the TOC. Go Paolo!

Lewis 7:50 AM  

Holy moly. What a talent. Five puzzles into the Times, and Katie has shot into my top-tier group of constructors. When I saw her name atop the blank grid, I actually yessed with a fist pump. Her offering today once again, with its wit, play, and skill, brought me to the height of solving joy.

Joy – this grid design, which calmed and relaxed me even before filling in my first square. Grid design is often a non-factor in a puzzle, but Katie has made it an asset in most of her puzzles. Today, the relaxed feeling it elicited made me feel like I was solving with Procol Harum’s “A Whiter Shade of Pale” in the background.

Joy – Beautiful and interesting answers. LIVE LARGE, RECKON SO, LURK, MENO MOSSO, I’M AT A LOSS, NO ME GUSTA, RATS NEST, KING ME.

Joy – OMG, the cluing. A riddle-fest. Misdirects, wordplays, “Hah!” producers all around the grid, such as [Free of typos, say] for EMEND, [Keep to oneself] for HOG, and [Rare showbiz collections] for EGOTS.

Joy – The master-level skill behind this. Four gorgeous stacks in a low wordcount, low block grid, and no junky answers!

More, more, more, I ask of you, Katie. You bring such pleasure into solving. Thank you!

RooMonster 7:55 AM  

Hey All !
The ole hamster running the brain wheel must still be asleep, as could not get a toehold (never mind a foothold) anywhere in the grid. Cor blimey, after 15 minutes I had maybe five answers in, knowing some weren't correct. As I've stated before, I get too antsy if I can't solve a puz after reading each clue 862 times, and still coming up blank. So I relented, and hit Check Puzzle, with it crossing out at least two. Then it was putting in a guess for an answer, hitting Check Puzzle again, ad infinitum. Actually got most of NW without doing that, so pat myself on the back for at least a little solving decorum. Kept asking myself AM I DONE? The puz just snickered at me.

Those aching for a tough puz, here ya go. It just left me aching. I had thought I was getting better at puzs, but along comes this toughie, and promptly grounds me back to reality! I RECKON SO.

Ya got me good, Katie. I hope your proud of yourself. Har. I will be FEARSOME next time I see your name.

Have a great Saturday!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

burtonkd 7:56 AM  



Solved (or rather didn’t) in bed last night and had lots of blank swaths across the grid and went to sleep. Woke up and everything filled in easily. What was I up to all night?

Surprised Rex didn’t mention the 4 separate puzzles aspect more specifically.

Also surprised that MENOMOSSO is causing people problems, hardly a deep cut in musical terminology. “Less movement or motion”. YMMV, I could have used STAVE as a musical clue to make it easier:)

I find it interesting and frustrating that any psychological term I learn immediately applies to our Commander in chief. Although clearly narcissistic, his policies and courses of action make him an Echoist of whatever the last pundit on Fox News just said…

For any acid, you can fill in -IC at the end. Osmium is also somewhere in my brain, so combine the two and a correct answer I know nothing about is form(ic)ed

EasyEd 8:11 AM  

Wow, tough! A Google-fest, starting with STLEO and extending through the musical references. On the other hand, got STALEBEER fairly easily and opposite to Rex thought it was a highlight of the puzzle. Well, lousy taste but great answer. Some of the cluing seemed a bit of a stretch, like the “enemy border”, or “keep to oneself”, but in hindsight they work so fair enough with the crosses available.

puzzlehoarder 8:15 AM  

Puzzlehoarder here, this was mostly a normal difficult Saturday with the exception of the south central section which kicked the resistance up a notch. Mostly this was due to REASONSO blocking out the much better RECKONSO for a good half hour. Sometimes words just hide behind each other like that and I have to wait for them to come out.

ARGOT was one of the first answers to go in and ECHOISM one of the last. Fitting as one is such a perfect example of the other.

The C of OSMIC was my final square. I saved that for last even though I couldn't think of any other letter that would work. The problem was I had no idea what CSA could stand for given the context of the clue. My solving has tapered off to only the weekends and I don't bother with the Sundays anymore. Apparently this is a new form of crosswordese which I'll have to look up.

Joe 8:15 AM  

Drink drunk the next morning could mean to drink while still drunk after passing out for awhile…This puzzle had 4 Naticks for me: 10D crossing 16A, 31D crossing 40A, 54D crossing 53A, and 52D crossing 60A. I fiddled with those spots, and was on the verge of throwing in the towel when I got the Congratulations.

Sinfonian 8:26 AM  

I'm originally from Florida and in higher education, and I'm a big baseball fan. Thus, STLEO and ALEC were gimmes. (I even interviewed for a job at Saint Leo University many years ago.) The rest of the puzzle ... not so much. Just goes to show that one's experiences and interests really change your perspective on a puzzle.

Stan Marsh 8:29 AM  

Really hard puzzle-like the old days. Didn’t complete the SE corner. Stale beer made perfect sense. It’s the “hair of the dog “ method for getting rid of your hangover.

Mike Herlihy 8:39 AM  

@Andrew Z: RECTO was a gimme for me and I'm sure many, many other regular x-word solvers. As a singer I've come across MENO MOSSO many times, and my high school Spanish somehow allowed me to write in NO ME GUSTA without hesitation or crosses.
A fine Saturday puzzle. Try some puzzles (any day of the week) from the 1990s if you want to see some "obtuse" challenges.

Andy Freude 8:40 AM  

Thanks, Joe, I did need that explanation. Now I can picture it: it’s a little past midnight (thus technically the next morning), a person is tipsy, and even though their beer has gone stale they drink it anyway. That’s much less revolting than the image I had of someone getting up the next morning and washing down their breakfast of cold pizza with STALE BEER.

Andy Freude 8:44 AM  

Medium, Rex? Really? This one kicked my asterisk around the block—and as a musician I had no hesitation at SEMITONE or MENO MOSSO. But boy, lots of other stuff was tough. I confused Kate & Allie with Cagney & Lacey and thought, “I don’t remember those cops being mothers too.”

Bob Mills 8:54 AM  

Needed cheats in the SE to finish. IGOTTAJET is one of the worst crossword answers I've ever seen. Who has ever said that? I had IGOTTARUN, which isn't grammatical but is at least familiar verbiage. For me, that spoiled an otherwise impressive puzzle, one appropriately difficult for a Saturday.

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