Messing around on set? / MON 2-17-25 / Ingredient in tempera or tempura / Fluffy Chinese bread roll / Fast-food chain that serves Louisiana chicken / Rhetorical device used to tug at your heartstrings / masala (spicy Indian chickpea dish) / Memento-filled craft project / 1981 hit by Queen and David Bowie
Monday, February 17, 2025
Constructor: Kate Hawkins and Erica Hsiung Wojcik
Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium (for a Monday—solved Downs-only)
Theme answers:
- SCRAPBOOK (17A: Memento-filled craft project)
- POPEYE'S (24A: Fast-food chain that serves Louisiana chicken)
- "UNDER PRESSURE" (36A: 1981 hit by Queen and David Bowie)
- "GIDDY-UP!" (50A: Child's urging to a horse)
Chana masala (also chole masala, or chole) is a chickpea curry originating in the Indian subcontinent. It is a staple dish in North Indian cuisine. It is often eaten with a deep-fried bread called bhatura. // Along with chickpeas, the ingredients of chana masala typically include onion, chopped tomatoes, ghee, cumin, turmeric, coriander powder, garlic, chillies, ginger, amchoor or lemon juice, and garam masala. // To prepare chana masala, raw chickpeas are soaked overnight in water. They are then drained, rinsed, and cooked with onions, tomatoes, and spices.
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Finished things up in the NE, where the last answer I got was also the hardest—namely, SHALE (9D: Layered rock). I had the "S" and "E" and nothing else, and I just couldn't think of the word. I started to doubt ACCEPT (8D: Opposite of refuse). Then, when I thought of SHALE, I didn't write it in because, like IDINA before it, CHALA just looked wrong. It screamed "nope, mistake, back up!" But then, also like IDINA, it turned out to be something I had in fact heard of before. Without the adjacent "masala," I just didn't recognize it. So SHALE went in and that was that.
There's a lot to like here, in addition to the revealer, despite the fact that there's also a lot of overly common short stuff (LIU GLO UGLI UAE TAI TSA REBA ORES etc.). There's just nothing really bad or cringe about any of that short stuff, and it wasn't relentless, so I didn't notice it as much as I noticed the theme answers and some of the other more colorful fill. Loved THE WORKS, for instance. And ARCHIE (as clued). NOODLING and RESOLUTE and CANDY BAR aren't exactly sparkling, but like much of the rest of the grid, they're absolutely solid and serviceable. The theme works, the revealer pops, the fill is sturdy ... the puzzle's got everything I expect (but don't always get) in a Monday puzzle. I would rather never see SNOT or SNOTS in any grid ever again, but that's just a matter of personal taste. And it's just one answer. Any complaints I have today are pretty insignificant. I just love this weird and clever theme too much to gripe (at length).
Bullets:
- 48D: Rhetorical device used to tug at your heartstrings (PATHOS) — I never thought of it as a "rhetorical device" but I guess, sure, it is. "Rhetorical device" threw me for a bit, as I was looking for something ... I dunno, more technical. But I don't even know what I mean by that. Auxesis. Asyndeton. Something like that (note: I don't really know what those are, I just looked them up, but that is what I meant by "technical"—something only a real rhetoric nerd is gonna know ... unlike PATHOS, which is a pretty ordinary word).
- 31A: Fluffy Chinese bread roll (BAO) — mmmm, this and the CHANA masala are making me hungry, despite my being still quite full from dinner (it's 8:22pm on Sunday night as I write this). I just looked at the menu for my local (fave) Chinese restaurant, and they don't seem to have BAO at all. Going on a BAO quest this week. Will report back.
- 4D: Messing around on set? (DEBRA) — DEBRA Messing is an actress, most famous for the TV show Will & Grace. Big fan of this clue. Nice Monday-level misdirect.
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59 comments:
Easy, fun puzzle (as Mondays are supposed to be). Loved seeing CHANA (16A) masala, not just one of my favorite Indian dishes but one of my favorite dishes, period. One overwrite, SlAtE before SHALE at 9D, no WOEs.
I agree. Easy-medium. But lots to like, as OFL said.
For some unfathomable reason I especially liked the misdirection at 51D: “Swing at a ball?” Maybe it’s because I know that spring training starts this week and my first thought was to answer with something baseball-related. But I only DANCEd with that idea for a couple of seconds before the “?” Registered.
Nice work, Kate and Erica!
My five favorite original clues from last week
(in order of appearance):
1. A little unwell? (6)(4)
2. Lose liquidity, in a way (4)
3. Salty drink (3)
4. Place for subs (5)
5. It may go across the board (5)
MEDIUM RARE
CLOT
SEA
BENCH
QUEEN
A terrific Monday.
It rocked my world! (Auxesis)
Solved the puzzle, loved the puzzle. (Asyndeton)
How am I doing with the rhetorical devices? Not bad. (Litotes)
Never heard of SYRAHS, but that was the only (brief) sticking point for me. I knew DEBRA Messing from other crossword puzzles, not from TV or movies, otherwise the clever misdirect clue might have caught me.
As Rex mentioned, a very serviceable Monday. I had to rely on the crosses for IDINA, CHANA and DEBRA. I got VESPA from previous Xwords and A. Bunker dropped right in.
Just one overwrite for me: AssEnT for ACCEPT. Fun and easy, Downs only.
This is a 29A – SMART – puzzle. Smart in clue, answer, and theme.
The cluing made me think, with more clue-play -- vagueness, misdirects and wordplay -- than Monday-typical. Mondays are often rote fills for me, a veteran solver, but today I found myself going a delicious touch slower than usual.
Lovely answers appeared along the way, such as RESOLUTE, THE WORKS, MELD, UNDER PRESSURE (a NYT debut answer), IDINA and ARETHA, NOODLING, POUNCE, EVOKES, MOROSE, and PATHOS.
And a theme whose reveal landed with a “Wow!” and a “Hah!” Whose theme answers were fresh, all of them having appeared only four times or less in the NYT puzzle's 80+ years. A theme that gave my brain the work it loves trying to guess the reveal, even though unsuccessfully.
Smart from start to finish. A lovely first collab between you two, Katie and Erica, and I’m hoping it’s not the only. Thank you both for a right smart Monday!
ORES are not metals, just saying. ORES can be refined into metals.
I needed a smile today and when “yeah right” dropped in I laughed! Thanks to the constructors and Rex for the nice start to the morning!
Hey All !
For those who say Rex never likes a puz, here is your exception. File it away, so next time you can say, "Rex doesn't like any puzs! Except that one in February."
YEAH synonyms on the RIGHT of the Themers. Simple, nicely done. Some nice clues to spice up the normally staid MonPuz cluing. Wasn't an automatic fly through fill, which is nice. Like Rex, thought I had something wrong in the NE, with CHANA a new one here.
UH OH, another Monday. Har. Hope it's OK for you!
No F's (MOSTLY UGLI) 😁
RooMonster
DarrinV
Solving downs only, I threw in NOODGING and, not really being sure of what a NOODGE does and GARS being acceptable, couldn't find my error.
I'm a fan of anyone/anything referencing "Under Pressure", a wonderful collaboration between David Bowie and Queen.
Hand up for the "liked it a lot" crowd. Worked the left side of the puzzle first, ran into OK and YUP in the circles and had a pretty good idea of what was going on, confirmed by the excellent revealer, which was in its proper location, yay.
Hello to DEBRA and ID INA, nice to meet you. Have not experienced CHANA but did know SYRAHS, which reminded me of the Shakespearian sirrah, or maybe it's the other way around. Also discovered that ACAI and UGLI are two four-letter fruits ending in I. If there's another one, it's not dreamt of in my philosophy.
Very nice Monday indeed, KH and EHW. Agree with OFL's high marks, it Kinda Had Everything He Wanted. Me too. Thanks for all the fun.
Rex - no free ads, but Trader Joe’s frozen Bao is better than it deserves to be
Well, this puzzle certainly was agreeable, constantly nodding its head and saying OK, YES, SURE, YUP--and also YEArn at 27-A, which wasn't on the RIGHT and didn't get any circles, but maybe should not have appeared, to keep the theme pure.
I loved the clue at 28-A--see what we can do now that ASS has been normalized!
My only other problem was wanting tikkA before CHANA, a term I've never encountered, but doubtless Rex will explain it.
When I finally looked around to see what was in the tiny little ignorable circles -- which, as usual, I did only after I'd finished the solve -- I had to admit they were cute and nicely chosen. My favorite was GIDD[YUP]. There was also a very clever clue for dance. And the grid was quite free of junk. So other than the fact that the circles were totally ignorable, it was a fine Monday puzzle. But any theme that's totally ignorable while solving is never going to be a big winner for me. A good puzzle to give to the neophyte solver though.
I initially took the revealer simply as being two separate affirmatives, YEAH and RIGHT, which would be weak and not actually make any sense of “literally” in the clue, so I assumed Rex would tear it up. Then I must have eye-skipped Rex’s explanation of the theme, and read the body of the post with surprise that he found it to be Monday-solid. So surprised was I that returned to the puzzle to see what I was missing and had my “ah ha!” moment, which definitely means the blog added to my overall enjoyment of the puzzle today.
Reminds me that I forgot to donate back in January…I’ll take this direct experience of “thought it was disappointingly weak until I read the blog and then was delighted” as a reminder to get on that a month late!
Rex, what is your favorite Chinese place around here? I'm new-ish enough to the area that I haven't found one!
Looking for bao? Try dim sum restaurants or Chinese bakeries
A culinary learning experience—CHANA and SYRAHS. Just shows my inexperience. Otherwise a fun puzzle with SMARTass and YEAHRIGHT leading the way.
Same here. I wondered what the heck SYRAHS was doing in a Monday puzzle.
I wonder if you dear fellow Rex fans would do me a huge favor. I stumbled upon Rex the way I'm sure many people do. I had an old Times crossword lying around but didn't have the answers, so I searched online and found this site -- and just immediately fell in love with Rex's bright wit and engaging (if occasionally snarky -- but almost always deserving given what he's critiquing) writing style. And now, years later, I almost feel like I know a lot of you regular contributors.
The thing is, someone gave me a subscription to the Times games a couple years ago and so I've been playing catch up ever since. I'm months behind the rest of you. And this is where the favor comes in.
Like so many of you, you come here when you can't figure out what the theme was or to maybe find out what some answer meant. And usually someone brings it up. But once in a while, no one mentions some answer that you can't figure out -- and if you're as anal as me, you just can't throw away a puzzle without knowing what some silly question and answer meant! And being I'm months behind you, if I asked about it, likely no one would ever even see the question!
(I promise if I ask you dear folks in the future for this help, I'll spare you all of this setup.)
So the two clues and answers that I just can't seem to figure out are:
"One-third of 'Six,'?" with the answer being "Annes."
And "Nice name?" with the answer being "Nom."
And since I've already kept you this long anyway, I'll throw this one in there, too. There was a puzzle maybe a year ago where the clue was "Once ____, twice shy."
I immediately threw in the word "burned," because it fit, and that's how I remembered the phrase. But the answer was "bitten" -- which really messed me up. I'm not quibbling with "bitten" being correct, I just was scrolling through all the comments hoping to find someone, somewhere, commenting that they knew the phrase with the word "burned" as well. But there wasn't a single one! Am I just misremembering this? Has nobody else ever heard "Once burned, twice shy"?
Thanks all for your time -- and for any help you can give an old puzzle solver who needs to throw some puzzles away.
If only I were less attracted to the white wines and more tuned in to the "Wicked" mania (and more able to retain names), I coulda/woulda finished with a clean downs only Monday. Couldn't come up with IRE as clued (Burning feeling). Fun puzzle!
@Anonymous 10:07 - I'm sure you'll get many responses, but as yet none has posted so...
Two of Henry VIII's six wives were named Anne: Anne Boleyn and Anne of Cleves.
The French word for "name," used in the city of Nice, is "nom.".
And yes to "burned" for me as well.
Oh good, I had the same one. Snd could NOT see any other possibility for quite a while. Nice theme, made me laugh.
Great puzzle - great Monday - no complaints.
Thank you, ladies :)
Whatever will be, will be better after a couple of Syrahs.
Full bodied red wine. Great ones from France and Washington state. Worth a try if you're stuck on Cabs.
Wasn't it BITTEN?
Nice is in France. Name = nom in French.
Annes= An Ess. "S" is one of three letters in "six". I'll probably be the tenth reply here, so pardon me for repeating.
Medium Downs-only solve... except I made the NW much harder for myself than it needed to be. I didn't know ARCHIE, couldn't see anything coming before WORKS (...just THE), and I was trying so hard to make 1D some variation of AT SEA ("main" = sea, ocean). At one point I had --SAIL crossing LEARN and IAN, and the only --C-AE answer I could see was MCCRAE... but AREWORKS is nonsense.
CHANA initially convinced me that I had a mistake, maybe I was misremembering SHALE. I unearthed SYRAHS from some dark corner of my brain - otherwise KYRAHS x KNOTS would've looked perfectly fine.
You think [Messing around on set?] is Monday-level misdirection? That's literally a Saturday clue. From March 11th 2023. Except that clue was actually a bit more specific ([Messing around on a TV set?]). There are other clues for DEBRA with the Messing misdirection, all from Fri/Sat puzzles.
Popeye hace un álbum de recortes bajo presión.
Meh. It was OK. I teach fretted instruments and dealing with those engaged in NOODLING is a way of life for me.
You have a perfectly normal word like MASS and elect to clue it as a partial of a slogan of location? It's time for a MASS if Catholics to give you a spanking in MASS in your posterior MASS. Or clue it as [Weight] and watch the scientists melt down.
People: 10 {sigh...stop}
Places: 0
Products: 6
Partials: 6
Foreignisms: 1
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 23 of 78 (29%)
Funnyisms: 1 🤨
Tee-Hee: URANUS = SMART [ass]? SNOTS.
Uniclues:
1 Mistake you send to pasture.
2 Why Kamala is waking up at home.
3 Discover sends Jesus a card.
4 My ad in the help wanteds.
1 RANCHABLE UHOH
2 MOSTLY EGG IRE
3 ACCEPT SAVIOR
4 CANDYBAR SOUGHT
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Memes, sometimes. PIXEL SLANG.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also: "Six" is the title of a musical about the wives.
If you click the link at the bottom of these (or any day's) comments to "View web version," you can find all of the past columns organized in a way that's easy to find any specific date.
On the tough side for me mostly because the NE corner ate a boatload of nanoseconds. CHANA was a WOE and neither CANE nor SHALE (hi @Rex) came to mind easily.
Cute idea with a great reveal but there’s seems to be quite a bit atypical PPP for a Monday…LARS, IDINA, BAO, SYRAHS, UGLI, DEBRA, CHANA…liked it.
Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #985 was an easy-medium Croce for me. Good luck!
Hey Anon, I actually remember the first two. Henry VIII Had six wives, two were named ANNE (technically, one was born ANNA). Think of the town in France for the NICE clue which gets you to the French NOM. Once Bitten Twice Shy was a popular song and music video from probably in the late 80’s or early 90’s.
The six were wives of Henry viii
Never heard of Syrah? The Aussies call the same wine grape Shiraz (although it’s not from Iran). The puzzle was so close; International Syrah Day was yesterday. Cheers!
Parishioner: God Yes
Priest: Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
Parishioner: Christ Yes
Priest: Do not slander the Son of God.
Parishioner: Okay. Pope Yes.
Priest: Good name for a fast food chicken chain!
Parishioner: SAVIOR breath on the puns, Father.
Which makes me think, miso rAMEN would be a decent additional themer.
I've been tearing my hair out looking for a definite article to finish my "_____ President = _____ Dictator" sign for today's protest. Mrs. Egs floored me with her suggestion that THEWORKS.
Nurse is taking a vote on whether to have MSNBC on in the ICU. In contravention of the theme, I vote YEA RN.
Why do you prefer Cheerios to Alphabits? MOROSE.
I'll quit now before I start thinking about URANUS as the butt of a joke. Very fun for a Monday. Thanks, Kate Hawkins and Erica Hsiung Wojcik
Thank you for that.
I was alarmed the messing around on a set would include to de-bra.
har. Desperate & har-larious & superb MonPuztheme. Last-word-connections theme, usin The Circles. with great revealer. thUmbsUp.
Some tough-on-the-nanoseconds no-knows: CHANA. BAO. LARS. IDINA. Only slightly feisty, tho. Solvequest still had lotsa giddyup, at our house.
staff weeject pick: BAO. Bread rolls made from scrambled boas.
fave moo-cow easy-E MonPuz clue: {One of tennis's Williams sisters} = SERENA. Primo POC trifecta clue.
other fave stuffins: THEWORKS. CANDYBAR. URANUS. PATHOS. DEBRA & DANCE ?-marker clues.
Down-right-appreciative thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. Hawkins & Wojcik darlins. Beauty of a puztheme.
Masked & Anonym007Us
... and, in other news ...
"N-E-W-S to US" 8x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
I got kealoa'd by throwing down 'slate' instead of 'shale' -but slate IS shale that has been 'under pressure'. :-) so I don't feel bad...
Also solving down clues only, it was a good puzzle but made rather tough by the Unknown Names CHANA, IDINA, and DEBRA. I have heard of Tikka Masala, but that didn't trip me up because I didn't read the clue. Exactly as Rex said, those improbable acrosses really slowed me down.
And like @Anonymous 11:30 am, thought of "Messing around on a set" = DE-BRA. Really? Did not recognize the name. But finished with no errors in about 14 minutes; pretty satisfying but quite tough for a Monday.
Here in southern British Columbia, we have just gotten our first real snowfall of the winter. And it's only Feb 17!
Thanks everyone! For some reason I thought Nice was in Italy -- so I just didn't see that. Makes perfect sense now.
And I think the couple of you who mentioned the "Annes" answer being related to Henry the 8th makes the most sense. I did try to see something there were maybe it was "one-third" of the letters in the clue, but I just couldn't make that work.
I do know how to get to past blogs -- and I do read each one after I've done a puzzle. The problem was, if I left a comment or question there, I assume no one would ever see it being it was originally posted months ago.
So no one has ever heard the phrase as "once burned, twice shy"? I know "bitten" is correct, I was just sure I've heard it the other way, too, and so was surprised that no one else had mentioned it. Guess I just remembered it wrong all along.
Anyway, thank you all! You've helped an old puzzler declutter his home -- at least a little bit!
So the linguistics professor is telling the class that in some languages a double negative is an affirmative while in others it is a negative, but in no language is a double affirmative a negative. The smart aleck in the back pipes up, “yeah, right.”
ORES can be liquids (Crude Oil)
Adored “Messing around on set”. Lovely clue.
Here in the Seattle area, there is a rule I have found to be inviolate: No matter what genre of music and no matter how crowded the dance floor, at least one couple will swing dance
Some of the greatest wines of France are made with Syrah, mostly in the northern Rhone valley, Hermitage, Cornas, Cote Rotie also found in Chateauneuf du Pape.
Two of Henry VIII's wives: Anne of Cleves and Anne Boelyn
For Pabloinnh: Did you forget KIWI?
Having done the mini first clued me in to vespra
More directly, this is referencing the Broadway/West End show 'Six', in which the six wives of Henry VIII (including the two Annes) are the main characters.
Yes.
What a great start to the work week. A really nice, breezy Monday with a clever theme that was executed well with a really neat revealer. Loved the couple of great mis-directs - "Swing at a ball?" and "Messing around on set?". Maybe those were a tad advanced for Mondays but I say bring 'em on.
Did not know SYRAHS but, as always, very happy to learn something new that might make me sound sophisticated next time I'm out. Much to like with this one.
Yay! First success at solving down-only (after several attempts with other Mondays). Definitely makes Monday interesting doing it this way and certainly gives it more teeth. Not sure I'll do it this way all the time but was fun to try and satisfying to succeed. Fun theme whose clues were relatively easy to parse with the downs I had.
Hey, that's neat, Anon! I think you nailed it! It must be referring to the play. I could kinda see it simply being two of Henry VIII's wives...but it just seemed it would need something to direct you a little more that way. But with "Six" in quotes, I think you actually figured it out. I think you finally got us to the right answer! Thanks!
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