Alternative to a spicy Dorito / THU 2-20-24 / Blue man group member? / Digital work fueled by machine learning, in brief / Who said "A dress is a piece of ephemeral architecture" / Move after a touchdown / Lynchian or Felliniesque, say / Sensational, on Broadway / Virtual storefront in an online marketplace
Thursday, February 20, 2025
Constructor: Peter Gorman
Relative difficulty: Easy
Theme answers:
The one thing that keeps this puzzle theme above water is the fact that all the themers relate to the puzzle itself—that is, that the stuff that is "one off" is all part of a coherent set. I never really like the cutesy, precious, self-referential type of themes (which often strike me as smug and self-congratulatory, as if the puzzle were full of excessive self-regard), but today, the meta quality gives the theme coherence. I mean, there are infinite answers that could be clued in a way that is "one off," so you need something, and the puzzle itself ... will do nicely. The themers are also all fifteen letters long, so there's a physical, structural coherence to the themer set as well. That said, huge shrug—that is how I felt. To me, the answers were simply wrong, but they were easy to get, so I had a strong "who cares?" feeling while I was solving. And then because of the absurd revealer placement, I didn't see ONE-OFF until near the very very end, which would have been fine, ideal even, if the revealer had been really clever or crossword-related or anything. But it's just ... ONE ... OFF? Yeah, I see that. Obviously everything is ONE OFF? That's all you got? ONE OFF? Pffffffft. Major anticlimax.
- TWENTY-ONE ACROSS (20A: This clue)
- FOURTEEN LETTERS (37A: This answer)
- WEDNESDAY PUZZLE (51A: This crossword)
Takis are a Mexican brand of flavored rolled tortilla chips produced by Barcel, a subsidiary of Grupo Bimbo since 2019. Fashioned after the taquito, it comes in numerous flavors, the best selling of which is the chili-lime "Fuego" flavor, sold in distinctive purple bags, introduced in 2006. Besides the rolled corn chips, Takis produces other snacks with the same flavor lines, including different potato chip varieties, corn "stix", popcorn, and peanuts.
Takis were invented in Mexico in 1999 and introduced to the United States in November 2001 (originally as Taquis, before being renamed to Takis in 2004) and Canada in 2015. Barcel originally intended to aim Takis towards a Hispanic demographic, but its popularity has quickly spread among Gen Z and Gen Alpha.
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Further, the physical location of that revealer is one of two completely inexplicable choices made by this puzzle. So ... this puzzle is in English, and in English, we read left to right. Why in the world is the first part of ONE-OFF on the right side of the grid? Put ONE where BAS is, put OFF where NES is, and now the revealer reads correctly: top to bottom, left to right (ugh, just writing BAS and NES is reminding me of how unpleasant the non-theme part of this puzzle was). Was it really impossible to make ONE and OFF work in the much more sensible positions? Anyway, themewise, this puzzle ... let's say it makes the most (or a lot) of a pretty weak concept. Usually things are the other way around—great idea, poor execution. Today, weak idea, but ... good job getting the themer set to cohere as well as it does. Next time don't botch the revealer placement. Unforced error. Hell, with all those three-letter answers on the same rows as ONE and OFF, you had *tons* of placement options. Better to get creative and break symmetry completely (with ONE and OFF one atop the other, or on the same row, or even as successive answers) than do this awkward backward garbage.
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[57D: Locale depicted in Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly Delights"] |
The other completely inexplicable choice made by this puzzle is singular TAKI. It's so bad. Singular DORITO is bad enough, but somehow singular TAKI is infinitely worse, for a number of reasons. First, TAKIs are far far far less famous, as a brand name, than Doritos, which are like the Coke of chip products. This doesn't mean they (plural) can't be in the grid, but why are we getting a singular TAKI (it's a debut, of course), before we ever get the actual full name of the product, which, again, is TAKIS, plural. TAKIS has never appeared in the NYTXW ... ever. And you want its first appearance to be ... a single TAKI? What's worse is that there's absolutely no reason for this stupid answer to be here. Jacques TATI is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. I would be thrilled to see him here. TAKI is like Bizarro TATI, like the hateful, evil version of TATI. Would not see TAKI's movies. Anyway, just change the "K" to "T" please. That gives you INT, which I don't love, but you could make it ONT (short for "Ontario") if you wanted. Whatever, anything to get stupid singular TAKI out of there. If you prefer TAKI to TATI, well, I'm sorry you hate CINEMATIC things, may god have mercy on your soul.
The fill in this grid is pretty poor, right from the jump. First indication you should revise your grid: it has OCULI in it. OCULI crossing ACOW is basically a blaring siren of "no no, stop stop stop." And then from there into AIART ... again? (22A: Digital work fueled by machine learning, in brief). It just debuted last week (Sunday!), and like all unwanted and terrible tech things, it seems to be proliferating, becoming obnoxiously ubiquitous against the will of reasonable, decent human beings. The longer Downs on this one are actually pretty decent (not a fan of the gratuitous definite article in THE MUSES, but ETSY SHOP and RECORD DEAL are good, and the clue on HOLIDAY INN is really good—28D: Home to many kings and queens). But the short fill is often miserable. OCULI ACOW AIART BOFFO (what year is it???) ESSES NES FORA BAS DMED MATEO ... and that's just a start. The one virtue of the fill is that it was all very easy to get. It's kinda grim, but you don't have to struggle for any of it, so ... yeah, that's something.
A handful of other things:
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
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A handful of other things:
- 16A: Move after a touchdown (TAXI) — what an airplane does after it has landed, assuming it has not landed upside-down ... not gonna forget that one soon.
- 34A: Who said "A dress is a piece of ephemeral architecture" (DIOR) — I mostly find quote clues unworthy, i.e. the quote feels banal or not worthy knowing, but I like this one a lot.
- 58A: ___ Roy, Booker Prize-winning author, 1997 (ARUNDHATI) — definitely high-fived myself for not only knowing this answer but spelling it correctly on the first pass.
- 26D: Blue man group member? (SMURF) — this is good, but it was spoiled for me by a puzzle I did recently which had this exact wordplay as the entire theme. All the answers were part of the "blue man group." I forget who they all were. Maybe Beast (from X-Men) or Huckleberry Hound or Dr. Manhattan ... anyway, it's good wordplay. Apologies to whoever made the puzzle I'm talking about, as I can't remember who you are and I couldn't remember the themer set, my bad. (the puzzle must've commemorated the final Blue Man Group performance in NYC on Feb. 2—the last of more than 17,000 performances).
- 54D: Only character shown in the final 30 minutes of "2001: A Space Odyssey" (DAVE) — Mmmm, CINEMATIC. I like this clue because it calls attention to those truly weird final 30 minutes. Everyone remembers HAL, but weird old DAVE in that white room ... nice to give that scene some attention.
See you next time.
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130 comments:
Easy-Medium for me. I had some trouble gaining a foothold but once I did I got some "Whoosh."
Overwrites:
pAsse at 1A
Zing before ZERO for "Zip" at 55D
WOEs:
ARUNDHATI Roy at 58A
ELENA Ferrante at 4D
TAKI at 41A, but I do plan to try TAKIs if I see them in the supermarket.
29 across clue states ….”italicized clues” . I don’t see any of these italicized clues!! Anybody notice this?
29 across clue states……”italicized clues”.
None of the clues are italicized!
Am I missing something?
There weren't any on the print version.
Got the trick and all the long answers, but still couldn't finish because of the TAKI/DSL/DMED/ETSY area (I had "eBay" instead of ETSY. Too much modern stuff for this old guy.
Gee, Uncle Rex, I kinda liked it. Misremembered Ferrante’s first name as ELiaNA and for a moment thought we might have a dreaded rebus puzzle, so when that didn’t materialize, I was happy to solve what felt more like a WEDNESDAY PUZZLE. TAKI was truly a WOE, however.
Great clue for HOLIDAY INN. The rest left me wanting. I had the same “big deal” reaction to the theme as Rex - then you add in stuff like ARUNDHATI, OLMEC, MATEO, TAKI and the likes, and well there just wasn’t enough that is interesting (or otherwise discernible) to keep me interested today. A bit of a wavelength day, and this one didn’t register with me.
They were italicized for me (on ipad).
As someone who has just started doing the puzzle (NY Times changed subscriptions cost so that it was cheaper to have everything rather than pay separately for cooking/Athletic), I read Rex and have two different experiences; (1) validation at the annoyance I feel at things like TAKI; and (2) a bit of disappointment at the curmudgeonliness around the themes--my crossword aesthetic is not nearly so well developed as Rex's, but I thought this was clever enough. I'll enjoy my beginner's mind while I still have it, thank you very much.
Liked the theme and found it fun. But I still don’t understand the HOLIDAY INN clue?? Can anyone explain it to me please?
Strange puzzle.
First TAKI that came to mind was the writer Panagiotis "Taki" Theodoracopulos; a quick google search revealed why that option wasn't used... :(
I never time my solve but this felt like the quickest Thursday ever.
Should have run on Tuesday, har!
A mi tambien me gustan las unidefiniciones, @Gary:
1. Place for a Ming vase?
2. Exam for future skills?
3. Mrs Ryan Adams?
4. Roy's office?
5. Protecting Sassette, say
6. Gulf of Mexico, after WW III
1. YAO ETSY SHOP
2. AI ART SAT
3. AMY MAMMA
4. ARUNDHATI STEAD
5. DUDE SMURF DUTY
6. NATO OCEAN ZERO
There are different presentations of the NYTXW: the newspaper/print version and several different versions for the many electronic devices, etc. Not all of the particulars of each puzzle are available in each and every version.
I liked taki, the clue was perfect and it felt fresh. Also nailed Arundhati with only a few crosses! I thought the theme was clever. Overall a big thumbs up.
Never-done-before theme, playing on ONE OFF, and in a fun way. I’m guessing Peter couldn’t believe his luck when he found that “fourteen letters” contains 15, not to mention the other two theme answers. Then he had to design a grid in which TWENTY-ONE ACROSS actually landed on 20A – impressive!
So, bravo on the theme and build, but how about the solve? Well, IMO, much to like:
• The arts mini-theme – Literary (Ferrante, Roy, Lovecraft, Melville); movies (2001, Lynch, Fellini); music (Winehouse), style (Dior), and theater (Blue Man Group).
• The lowly-located PEON, and the rare-in-one-puzzle double-sighting of two architecture references (the DIOR quote, and the clue to ANNEX).
• The clever original clues for FONT (“Character profile”) and HOLIDAY INN (“Home to many kinds and queens).
• A couple of areas that I had to return to, work that makes my brain happy, and the feel-good that comes with getting something that was previously ungettable.
A lovely debut, Peter, that felt not-in-the-least debut-ish. I had a grand time with this, and thank you!
I did this puzzle Wednesday night. So, at first, the third italicized clue flew over my head. 🙄
2001: Una Odisea Espacial.
Phew! Way to set off a Thursday panic. Three theme entries filled in... all seemingly wrong... my brain is melting down Southside-style... and then finally ONE OFF. Pheeeeeeeeeeeew.
Weird and funny theme. Gunky fill but a few smart clues kept me cruising. Good enough.
I am learning today of the OLMEC people for the first time. I wonder if they called it the Gulf of Tobasco. The wiki reads like an OLMEC ad agency wrote it. Their statues are fun.
Always seems odd how a random collection of letters like ARUNDHATI pieced together easily, but ELENA fought me every letter. It's a win for [Character profile] being so oblique.
TAXI / TAKI.
❤️ BOFFO.
😫 OCULI. AIART. FORA.
People: 11
Places: 4
Products: 2
Partials: 6
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 26 of 76 (34%)
Funnyisms: 5 😄
Uniclues:
1 Make the blue babes blush.
2 Spinner on a pole at a roadside hotel.
3 Giving a massage after reaching fourth base.
4 One deciding whose naughty and nice?
5 One G short of a box of chocolates.
1 SMURF DUDE DUTY (~)
2 HOLIDAY INN VANE (~)
3 PLEASURE UMP
4 PLEASURE UMP
5 UMP PLEASURE (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Sad songs celebrating the boring but reliable. NISSAN DIRGES.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought this was an easy-medium, fun Thursday with a recursive-ish x-word theme.
As for the placement of the revealer, I am not aware of any construction axiom that dictates the placement of clues in a "with blank across/down," setup. It seems to me they happen randomly as a matter of course. Why pick on this guy? Especially for his first puzzle? I say, way to go! Let's see more.
I thought this was an easy-medium, fun Thursday with a recursive-ish x-word theme.
As for the placement of the revealer, I am not aware of any construction axiom that dictates the placement of clues in a "with blank across/down," setup. It seems to me they happen randomly as a matter of course. Why pick on this guy? Especially for his first puzzle? I say, way to go! Let's see more.
Beds
I liked it too! you don’t have to agree. He has his “critique” based on many years of solving and you are free to have your own opinion and still enjoy his curmudgeonliness (probably not a word). He makes me laugh a lot and has great recs for other puzzle outlets if you become faster and want more to do.
@Karl Grouch 7:39 AM
Dazzling as usual. #1 is inspired.
Love the Jacques Tati shoutouts! Playtime is one of my all-time favorites.
I got a chuckle. I learned OLMEC which I did not know. I love ELENA Ferrante so that made me happy. I could have done without the reminder that NATO is falling apart but hey it’s four good letters.
I feel like OFL went a bit hard on the revealer…is it possible that the placement of ONE/OFF is intentional? That the OFF is, well, off? I liked this puzzle, didn’t mind most of what OFL complained about, and actually was more annoyed at ETSYSHOP (which could have also finished with PAGE or SITE). Anything’s better than yesterday’s SEAEEL 🙄
Once again super annoyed at the cluing. The much better 1 across answer is dAtED, not FADED. OCULI sucks. Spent a good 5 minutes trying to piece together the NW because of the suckage. Otherwise thought the ONE OFF theme was pretty good. 17:09
Mattress/bed sizes
Why is "one off" something never to be repeated?
Agree that this is more of a Wednesday difficulty - much quicker solve than usual Thursday. Not that there weren't things I didn't know - Taki(s), Arundhati, here's to you. Peon or serf? Put in the "e" and went on.
Liked the clue for Holiday Inn. Did not know that about Waco.
Hooray to (Jacques) Tati idea, Rex. Watched "Mon Oncle" and "Mr. Hulot's Holiday" recently. I'd love to have a car in the color combo of the Cadillac that gets delivered to the factory. Have car that's close to the green color. And a Basso bicycle frame that's pretty close to two of the Caddy. Loved the shot of the people at the round windows of the home's upper story.
It was fun to be brought back to the 2001 movie, which I haven’t seen again since it came out. So I don’t recall the scene of DAVE alone in the white room, but I absolutely recall the creepiness of HAL's repeated "I'm sorry, DAVE" as the latter desperately tries to disable the monstrous computer.
Coincidentally, just this month I heard an amazing performance by The Cleveland Orchestra of Also sprach Zarathustra by Richard Strauss. The opening bars of this piece provided the iconic music accompanying the opening monolith business in the film.
I was sure that TAKI had to be wrong.
Hey All !
I'm sure, like many others, after getting WEDNESDAY PUZZLE, I ran the mouse over the date/time thing in the corner of the screen to make sure I didn't get stuck in a time loop! "I thought today is Thursday?" I said to myself. Good stuff. Then I thought, "How could this puz get misplaced this badly?" Har. You got me, NYT.
ONE OFF. Aha, I see. Pretty clever. Could've ran puz on a Thursday, or a Tuesday. Thinking Tuesday would've worked slightly better. My two cents. Congrats on being elevated to ThursPuz status Peter!
Rex says ARUNDHATI was a gimmie? Holy Moly, good on ya Rex! I had to check all the crossers to be sure of any letter in that name!
Puzzled (har) at first by the FOURTEEN LETTERS one, as at first I thought it was the amount of letters in the clue, This answer, but that's only ten letters. Then tried spelling out 37, as answer is in 37A. But that's sixteen letters. Finally the Aha, D'oh, I'm stupid reaction of a fifteen letter grid answer. Sheesh.
(Hoping my Sheesh there has a Karma effect to get @LMS back here. Anybody have any news about her? @Lewis, @M&A?)
So, a nice ONE OFF from a WEDNESDAY PUZZLE, Peter. Great grouping of F's in West Center!
Happy Thursday!
Five F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
kings and queens are bed sizes. holiday inn is a hotel chain. :) so they "are home" to lots of [beds]. -d²
King beds and queen beds
holy shit lol -d²
Think mattress sizes
beautiful! and agreed on the mini-themes! -d²
It’s almost as if there was something OFF about that revealer.
I'm usually against political commentary in puzzles but thought NATO and Axis right there together worked quite well.
King and Queen beds
Pet peeve of mine: people who think RSVP means 'say yes'. It means to say yes or no; whether or not you are coming. You invite twelve people over, your dining room table comfortably seats 8. You hear from say 7 who say they are coming. You hear nothing from the other 5. Do you plan a sit-down meal? Or do you worry that 3 or 4 of them will call you the afternoon of the party and say they're coming, they forgot to tell you... All my parties these days tend to be buffet-style, it's less nervewracking. Given you can't trust people to respond.
Beds.
I got thrown with 32A "Ancient Mexican Civilization" where I confidently wrote in AZTEC and then got to 50D "Follower of 32A" ... and ... um... THATS the Aztec answer? Anything to do with old Mexican people I just type in aztec (and Inca for Peru) and go on with my solve. Still not sure why Aztec is wrong for 32A
Loved it! This falls into the "I wish I'd thought of it" category. Imagine the "Eureka!" that would occur when you not only get the theme idea of ONE OFF, but realize that it's going to be a tough Thursday-type puzzle and that WEDNESDAY PUZZLE is going to be a grid-spanner!! And that you've got some clue-number options as well as some answer-letter options that can also be grid-spanners!! And that you can fit them, symmetrically, into the grid!!
Your only compromise is that ONE OFF can't be sited together and at the bottom of the grid. A small compromise in order to achieve all the rest of it -- and I'm glad the NYT didn't toss the puzzle for that reason. I didn't care -- did you? Rex cared -- but Rex is a spoilsport.
The vague cluing of the theme answers created immense curiosity on my part -- always a wonderful thing, puzzle curiosity -- and made me have to match wits with the constructor on each successive one of them.
TAKI was a great big "Huh?" for me, but it was fairly crossed. A really clever idea.
Enjoyed it but had thiRTEEN LETTERS for way too long!
Can you explain the Holiday Inn Clue? You and Rex say its great, but I don’t get it.
Although I liked this cute PUZZLE, I had trouble in a few areas, particularly with the names … like ARUNDHATI. Theme was easy but I agree the revealer placement is a little weird. I had two questions when I was done: What is a TAKI and what on earth does it have to do with a Dorito? Got that one answered (thanks RP) and have already put a bag on my shopping list so I can try them. But hopefully I’ll try more than just one. My other mystery was the clue for HOLIDAY INN. Even after googling, I’m still trying to figure out how that answer is synonymous with a home to kings and queens. It’s probably one of those things that’s gonna make me go - well, duh - but I’m just drawing a blank. Anyone?
Had MAYAN and SMASH confidently slotted into the middle left (over OLMEC and BOFFO) and proceeded to not make any sense of that section. I live outside NYC, keep up with the theater scene, and have never heard BOFFO — I am in my 20s though…
Fastest Thursday solve ever for me. I enjoyed the taki clue, but I was an elementary school principal in Minneapolis when this local group hit it big with "Hot Cheetos and Takis." https://youtu.be/3qTYO7idTDc?feature=shared
Easy with a bit of extra difficulty in the ARUNDHATI area.
I knew BOFFO from using it myself in an attempt at a low word count themeless with four interlocking 15s. It looks like the only reasonable options for --F-O are ALFIO, BOFFO, the partial OFF TO (which would be OFF limits with OFF in the revealer), and LMFAO which I'm not sure the NYT would accept in a grid.
The AZTECs were actually a “modern” civilization…in the “ADs” and until the Spaniards, the OMECs were truly an ancient civilization, ending well before the “Christian Era.”
The fun here was all in figuring out the theme, since the clues by themselves didn't give much of, well, a clue. But I got enough crosses to see that 20-A was TWENTYONEACROSS, so certainly something was up. Then WEDNESDAY came into view, so the middle one had to be FOURTEEN... (sixteen wouldn't fit).
The revealer had to be ONE-OFF, but there were no six-letter answers in the usual revealer spaces, so I just kept solving. It was a pleasant surprise when the 2-part revealer emerged on its own.
Easy puzzle, once the theme became clear.
So OLMEC was a gimme but ELENA and ARUNDHATI were complete unknowns, and that's the way these things are. Hard to get started, ran into WEDNESDAYPUZZLE (no italics, but it had to be a themer) and saw what was going on. Aha!, I hoped.
Have never had a TAKI or seen them for sale and have never heard of them. I wonder where they are sold? I mean geographically, not in which stores. Any consumers out there?
Haven't seen OCULI in a while. Hello old friend.
I think a "ONE OFF" is a relatively fresh phrase and I liked it as a revealer, even if it wasn't at the end. Nice Thursday, PG. I'd Personally Give it an A-. and thanks for all the fun.
Living in Mexico, I enjoy TAKIs every now and then, and loved seeing it in the puzzle. Agree that an individual TAKI is awkward
Thanks to @Rex and @Nancy, I now can better appreciate the theme, with its three ways to apply ONE OFF to the answers - and fit the grid layout constraints. While solving, though, I got more PLEASURE out of entries like RECORD DEAL and THE MUSES and especially the clues for FONT and HOLIDAY INN. For the latter, my first notion was that the kings and queens were at HOmecoming (overlooking "Home" in the clue) and I couldn't believe I had to change it to....HOLIDAY INN? Are proms held there? Anyway, finally catching on to what kind of kings and queens we were talking about made my morning.
I enjoyed cracking the theme for this puzzle and I guess I don’t understand Rex’s mini-rant about the placement of ONE and OFF. Today I learned there is a TAKI chip. I’ll see if it’s in my grocery store. I don’t eat Doritos but sounds like a TAKI chip would be good with guacamole.
The app timer indicated I finished this in less time than most Thursdays and it kind of surprised me because I spent most of that time at the end revisiting the NW to grok DUDE, FONT, and NODES. Luckily I have read ELENA Ferrante, and I was able to finally realize Man =DUDE (although I don’t like that) and the rest of it fell into place. Good stuff!
You should do today's Wall Street Journal puzzle.
Thought this was a lot of fun.
Takis are almost certainly more well-known than Arundhati Roy. Why does the snack get a paragraph complaining about its inclusion and the writer get a self-congratulatory special mention?
I loved this puzzle, but I now worry that, thanks to TAKIS, it will be the puzzle that ends up killing my blog pals, @Beezer and @Whatsername.
On the one hand, I'm never going to brag about the healthfulness of my own diet; there are parts of my own food pyramid that can sometimes look downright inverted, if not perverted. Cheese, for one thing. But I'm really good about snack items of the crunchy, oversalted kind: I don't like 'em and I don't eat 'em. All my snacks -- the healthy ones like guacamole and hummus and the unhealthy ones like cheese and chopped liver -- go on Carr's water crackers, which are a thousand times better for you than any kind of chip. And they're neutral in taste -- allowing the flavor of whatever's on them to be the focus. I urge you both, @beezer and @whatsername, to NOT go out and buy TAKIS, but to buy a package of Carr's (the "original" in the black box; the others have much more added salt) instead. You'll thank me -- or at least I hope you will:)
She and I have had a few conversations -- she is well, and she does keep up with the comments. My impression is that her life is very busy, very full, and she hasn't been able to squeeze commenting in -- I'm guessing her comments took much time to make, including gathering her thoughts, crafting and then editing her words...
All your PLEASURE UMPS are great!
But then again it was to be expected from you... :-)
Easy. levY before DUTY was my only costly erasure and TAKI and ARUNDHATI were it for WOEs.
Cute and amusing, liked it, but @Rex is right about some of the fill and TAKI.
Seconded. I came looking for that answer.
Grumpiest dude. He is never happy. This one wasn't amazing but he is seriously never happy.
I thought Takis were “billed” as being pretty pure…like no additives. I’ll look again. Don’t worry. I rarely eat chips and when I do they are “plain” tortilla chips! Besides, I’m not even sure they are available here…
The Gulf Of Tabasco. 🤣
Late last night, I posted a response to your yesterday comment about the film Into The Wild. Just couple of book recommendations . . . in case you missed it.
Yikes! Yeah, big NO on TAKIS! I apparently misunderstood the whole concept!
Beds
Thanks Lewis! Yes, I was always amazed at how she managed to squeeze in the time to comment, given their depth as well as her extremely busy life.
When "tinct" appeared in the puzzle five days ago, I liked it. But a lot of people wanted to DISTINCT.
Cicero was such a popular orator that he used to speak in the public square FORA dollar a word.
I use BOFFO deodorant because it OFFs my B.O.
Teacher: Today we shall learn of nine daughters of Greek myth. This knowledge will have many uses, such as solving crosswords, displaying your erudition at cocktail parties and generally feeling grounded in western culture.
Redneck Student: I don't like THEMUSES!
Teacher: Please! It's "those uses".
I know who'd win in a public vote of DIOR Camilla as our favorite wife of Charles.
Not to be tacky, I can't believe how many commenters are unfamiliar with TAKIs. They've grown so popular that Uber Eats runs a TAKI TAXI.
Mrs. Egs and I are off for a 70th birthday (hers) trip to ski in the Dolomites tomorrow. So you all may get a no-doubt-welcome break from you know who for a while.
The theme of this puzzle was BOFFO. Thanks for a really enjoyable debut, Peter Gorman.
takis are HUGE in southern ca. sold everywhere and found in 85 prcnt of young kids lunch boxes
Tatis is two of the greatest film makers of all time.
No issues with TAKI. My daughter loves those things
ONE reviewer of this puzzle is quite a bit OFF in his criticism.
I'm looking at the print version, in which 20A, 37A and 51A are all clearly italicized. (Or, in keeping with the theme, 21A, 36A and 51B)
When the king and/or queen of another country visits the U.S., they usually stay at a Holiday Inn.
Kings and queens are bed sizes found in hotel rooms
Dunno - maybe it's me but this was just MEH for me. I solved as a themeless - ARUNDHATI, NES,
AI ART again so soon? I didn't have the patience so I came here to see what it was all about. Everyone seems to have liked it, so it must be me
:(
Several people have posted that the themers weren't italicized in the print version. I'm looking at the print version, which I just solved, and 20A, 37A and 51A are all italicized. (But in keeping with the theme, I should say "21A, 36A and 51B")
Very good to hear she is well. Thank you.
I think it was British usage that has now spread to the USA. If you're going to do something only once, it's a "ONE OFF." Why, I don't know.
Best wishes to Mrs Egs!
Have a great trip and take some DOLO with you, italian MITES can really bite
I don't have the paper in front of me, but I think that clue was something like "Say yes, maybe." I.e., a clue by example of something more general. "Say no, maybe" would be just as good.
This puzzle was amazing. It brought a big smile to my face when I got the theme. The first themer I got was 51A WEDNESDAYPUZZLE and that's what allowed me to write in ONE OFF (which I wasn't able to get from the down crosses), which then enabled me to parse out 20A (hilariously TWENTYONEACROSS) and 37A FOURTEEN LETTERS. Very clever word play, IMO. My favorite clue was 28D for HOLIDAY INN. Thanks Peter Gorman for the beautiful Thursday puzzle.
Most of the things I didn’t know were eventually inferable from crosses, but the BAS/BOFFO/OLMEC cross did me in. But I enjoyed the theme. I probably enjoyed the revealer more for the fact that I only had the back ends of the themers filled in at the point where it all came together for me, so I had an “aha” all at once for the whole set, which was fun.
"BOFFO" was one of the old cliches of Variety headlines; as Rex says, now archaic.
ONE OFF is a British expression for something that happens only once.
Rex has his grumpy-old-man bit in overdrive today. Too many modern things in the puzzle! When I first started reading him it was 'Too many fusty old things in the puzzle!'
The way I read English is, I start at the left, read to the end of the row of letters, and jump to the beginning of the next line. If you do it that way, ONE...OFF is just fine.
The puzzle (and comments) remind me once again that I really ought to read "The God of Small Things." I knew that all along, but the reminder is useful. It also made me think that maybe I should watch "2001," a thought I had never expected to have. I'm trying to imagine that final scene.
The theme was great as I was trying to figure out each answer, but in the end was a bit underwhelming. For ages I tried to make SIXTEEN LETTERS fit in 37 across, then finally thought: oh, it's one too few rather than many! Then we get a weekday instead of a number; would have been neat to have another themer with something like the month.
Yes ARUNDHATI and TAKI were complete Unknown Names but there weren't too many today.
@anon 8:33am a "one off" is a singular unique item. therefore, by definition, it cannot be repeated. in the sense that no more can be made - not that you can't or shouldn't say the words "one off" :)
for example, i collect designer toys. sometimes an artist will release a "one off" for sale. it's a one-off because it has a custom paint job, or it was a production sample, or something of that nature. no others like it.
-stephanie.
@RooMonster my hero! i was absolutely and positively stumped by FOURTEEN LETTERS [which i had first entered as thirTEEN LETTERS because i had no idea what was happening with that one or why, and that little west section contained so many unknowns for me it cost me ten minutes or more alone] ahem ANYWAY, i was saying, i was so stumped by this, i actually went into the NYT crossword archives and opened yesterday's WEDNESDAY PUZZLE. because i thought the clues must be referencing yesterday, and that's what made them ONE [day] OFF.
well that obviously didn't work, and my confusion persisted. i was further mystified when no explanation of the themers was given in the writeup, and no one discussed it in the comments...yet...i continued scrolling...and here, finally! thank you :)
-stephanie.
Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed, this morning. Geez, Rex, bitch, bitch, bitch. I mean, getting into a lather over ONE OFF is a little beyond the pale. Sheesh.
Thanks for the LMS update, Lewis. When you next connect, please tell her how much we miss her. But I’m sure you already did.
-a fan
@pabloinnh i live in MA and also spend a significant amount of time in RI. takis are everywhere in both places - gas stations, grocery stores and such. market basket has them in a few flavors. seen them at target as well. got that answer with no crosses [sorry rex but i never would have known TATI as you would've clued it] although i did grimace at both awkward singulars.
only bought them once though. my partner had an allergic reaction to them and his lips swelled up. he looked like he got some fresh filler 😂
-stephanie.
Touché
Not an overly complex Thursday puztheme ... but, as it admits, it's ONE OFF [from its Wednesday slot]. Really liked it, tho.
Peter Gorman debut. And he is just TWO OFF [from Peter Gordon, of course].
staff weeject picks: ONE & OFF. QED.
fave twosome: OSMEC & AZTEC.
The TWO ?-marker clues were kinda OFF ... as in: rode too easy for a ThursPuz rodeo.
And a mere 3.5 no-knows, at our house: TAKI. DMED. ARUNDHATI. FORA as subreddits, whatever they are.
Thanx for the fun, Mr. Gorman dude. And congratz again, on yer debut.
And Thanx, @Lewis, on the @Muse darlin update; luv that lady, and glad she's doin good.
Masked & Anonymo6Us
... and a kinda easy ThursRunt ...
"Texas Celebrity System" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
Thank you Nancy. I’m touched by your concern, and you are absolutely right about such things being detrimental to our health. I’ve never tried the Carr’s crackers either but on your recommendation, I’m adding a box of those to my list … and removing the offending chips.
As someone who enjoys a balance twixt theme and fill, this one turned out to be a DISTINCT PLEASURE to solve. With three themers and a six letter reveal and a modest 34 black square count, there was more room for quality fill than we typically see in a themed puzzle such as yesterday's five themer-and-reveal, 38 black square grid.
I once could name all THE MUSES but that memory has FADED a bit. Still remember Clio and Erato DUE to their many appearances in crossword grids. Terpsichore is just fun to say.
I saw "2001: A Space Odyssey" when it first came out in 1968. I was totally captivated, mesmerized even by that BOFFO CINEMATIC masterpiece. Saw it again a couple of years back and although there wasn't any computer generated images or AI ART back then, the magic was till there. I have it listed as my all time favorite movie on my Blogger Profile page.
Since I have one, ETSY SHOP was a surprise bonus for me. It's also listed on my Blogger Profile under "My Web Page".
Thank you @Lewis for the LMS update. I miss her, too. I not only SO enjoyed her comments…but also the updates on the students and her mom. @Roo….maybe you should add Geez Louise to your Sheesh!!
Aargh! Thanks. That one lost me
I thought ONE was high enough over OFF to establish precedence. So had trouble with Rex’s misgivings. Did I understate that? Did not know either ARUNDHATI or TAKI but luckily they were gettable from the crosses. But had to cheat to get ELENA. Had a friend from the OLMEC area of Mexico—his face was rounded in close approximation of some of their god images.
About once a month, I finish a puzzle and think to myself "OK, Rex has to like this one, doesn't he? What's not to like in this one? I mean, he just has to, right?" Then I come here, and I am wrong yet another time. Sigh.
Agreed, @Greendot. LMS's sunniness is the perfect antidote to Michael Sharp's curmudgeonliness, and much missed.
Thanks!
I have to admit ARUNDHATI was not in my wheelhouse, but I’m an engineer and have never read much fiction and don’t follow book awards. My wife, of course, knew it right away.
I thought Taki was totally fine. I also think Dorito is fine. “Can you pass me a Taki?” Is a perfectly reasonable sentence. But I live in LA and have teenagers, so Takis are pretty ubiquitous. Much broader appeal, IMO, than Jacques Tati, but we all have our wheelhouses I suppose
Puzzle was fine - the only thing that proved tricky to me was Mayan (initial guess because I had Smash instead of BOFFO) —> Aztec (by far the most famous -EC) and finally OLMEC, when I saw the other AZTEC clue. That held me up in that section for a bit. I didn’t love the theme, but didn’t hate it either.
I agree totally. I’m tired of Internet abbreviations. Chat room talk. None of it makes sense to me. I like crosswords from the planet earth
Absolutely do NOT understand why Holiday Inn has anything to do with kings and queens.
@Lewis, maybe suggest to LMS that she could drop by for just a brief comment... maybe a paragraph? I would love to hear how she's been doing.
Oops! Forgot to mention that the clue for 54D DAVE "Only character shown in the final 30 minutes of '2001: A Space Odyssey'" isn't quite true. There's one more character in the last minute or so that was the focus of much speculation and conjecture as to how that character related to the theme/meaning of the movie.
This is Rex’s schtick if everyday he liked everything nobody would read the blog he keeps you coming agreeing or not agreeing to his take
Thanks Roo for asking and Lewis for the update on Loren. I've also been wondering and hoping she and her mom are okay.
Really dreadful. But it's Thursday....
Re: the Blue Man Group, was it this fabulous Lil AVCX puz by Will Eisenberg? https://avxwords.com/puzzles/1772/
@anon 3:21pm has been answered many times over in the comments, unless you're being sarcastic of course! holiday inn is a brand of hotels, so the kings and queens in this instance are beds.
in the future, you can ctrl+F for key words if you don't want to or can't read all the comments, as i sometimes do. mobile browsers also offer "find in page."
-stephanie.
@Kate Esq i appreciate your defense of the singular snacks, but i personally can't imagine a situation in which i would ask another person to hand me a single chip. you'd pass the bag or bowl, ergo, takis/doritos, plural.
that said, "now i have to go wash my hands, my fingers are coated in [taki/dorito] dust", singular, is a thing i would say ;)
-stephanie.
ps, i learned from The Internet you can use chopsticks to eat such foods to avoid such a thing happening. i almost never have these kind of snacks in my house [not a statement from a place of judgement, just a place of preference] but when i do it is a good strat. slows down my mindless munching and helps me increase my chopstick skill as i am still somewhat middling at best.
what a great puzzle that was!
Perhaps you were purposely exaggerating for effect, Rex, but that Delta plane didn't land upside down. It landed on its wheels too hard, broke the right-side wheels, belly slammed, then rolled over after landing.
@egsforbreakfast 11:12 AM
Ummm, they have the internet there. Use it! We need you in these dark days. (Or just go recharge. But you'll be missed.)
@jberg 12:23 PM
I think 2001 is a masterpiece (except for the very last image). The last half hour like the first half hour will crack your skull open. Unfortunately you can't watch it and your phone at the same time, so many will be bored with it.
@Whatsername 11:07 AM
I saw your recommendation and put it on hold in Libby. Six week wait! I usually read musty classics and have never had to wait in line for those. 🙄
Yucky Thursday
Dnf because of the Natick at BAS/BOFFO. what in the AF do either of those things mean? I can't say anything nice about a puzzle that stuck us with this obscure nonsense. Time for Peter Gorman to find a new hobby, because crossword construction isn't working for him.
lol
I take exception to TAKI as a singular noun. TAKIS is a brand name not a pluralization of the singular TAKI. Look at the article Rex posted - TAKI never appears as a word, it is always TAKIS. Americans would never accept PRINGLE as meaning one chip from a tube of PRINGLES.
What is BAS? Anybody?
yet i have eaten a pringle many times. weird.
Brother was a skater. Knew FAKIE right away.
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