Comestible mentioned in "That's Amore" / SAT 2-15-25 / Thimphu native: Var. / Big name in flatware / Weaving technique named after a city in the Levant / Classic candy brand discontinued in 2018 / Musician/composer Andersson of Abba / Bit of attire supposedly named for its original bright red cloth / Pirate's lack, stereotypically / Whaler's haul / Taylor, head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals starting in 2019
Saturday, February 15, 2025
Constructor: David P. Williams
Relative difficulty: Medium
Word of the Day: CERTS (27A: Classic candy brand discontinued in 2018) —
Certs was a brand of breath mint that was noted for the frequent use of "two mints in one" in its marketing. The original "classic mints" were disc-shaped without a hole and sold in roll packaging similar to Life Savers and Polo. Certs was one of the first mints to be nationally marketed in the United States and had been a fixture at American drug stores and convenience stores since its debut on the market in 1956. It was discontinued in 2018, possibly due to its containing partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil, an ingredient which has not been allowed in food sold in the United States since then. (wikipedia) (my emphasis)
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And then CERTS went through CONTE, another name, another No Idea (27D: Giuseppe ___, 2010s-'20s Italian P.M.). Needed every single cross for him (the last of which was the "C" from CERTS, bah!). ZAC football guy was the other name I didn't know (22A: ___ Taylor, head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals starting in 2019). Shrug. You get names you don't know, it happens. ZAC was the least obstructive, largely because he didn't come in a name clump like the others. Besides names, the one thing that held me up more than anything else was INSULATIONS, oy, plural???? (21D: They cover top stories). I immediately thought that the "stories" in that clue were going to be "top levels of buildings" and still ... no idea. None. I honestly needed almost every letter (of a very long answer) to see INSULATIONS (because I got the back end first and it was doing nothing for me). The worst of those long middle answers for sure. Otherwise, the center is smooth. A nice accomplishment. Nothing flashy, but you rarely get "flashy" in such a huge amount of white space. You just pray for "clean" and if you get it, you're satisfied. Or should be.
Since the grid is highly segmented, it plays five different ways (like five different puzzles), but all the corners were essentially the same level of difficulty for me—fairly easy. The NE *felt* harder, but I'm not sure why. Possibly because of ZAC and the weird clue on CAMO (25A: Threads that are hard to find?) and the odd standalone answer NO-SPIN (really hard to parse, somehow) (7A: Straight-shooting). Even with the "Z" I had some trouble with BLAZER (18A: Bit of attire supposedly named for its original bright red cloth). But as I say, while it *felt* harder than the other corners, I never got honest-to-god stuck, so it was probably about as hard as the others. The high point of the puzzle was probably "DON'T RUB IT IN." I might've liked BET THE RANCH ... if it had been BET THE FARM, which is the expression that I know. Looks like people use BET THE RANCH to mean exactly the same thing ... just about one-sixth as often (per google search result numbers). I also like NONCHALANCE, esp. with its slippery clue (31A: Disregard) (looks like a verb ... isn't!), and PIZZA PIE, which allowed me to sing along with Dean Martin in my head (10D: Comestible mentioned in "That's Amore"). My initial problem there was that I was reading "comestible" as "combustible," and even as I was typing in PIZZA PIE I was thinking "wait, does it really explode? I mean, the moon hits your eye like a big PIZZA PIE ... but ... it's a metaphor ..." So now I'm imagining PIZZA PIEs just slamming into people's faces and detonating upon impact ... until I realize "oh, comestible ... something you eat ... yeah, that makes more sense."
Bullet points:
- 1A: Weaving technique named after a city in the Levant (DAMASK) — "the Levant" is a funny term. I thought it was old-fashioned. I learned it from The Maltese Falcon, where the character Cairo is referred to throughout as "the Levantine." It's basically what we call "the Middle East"—everything between Turkey and the Sinai Peninsula. DAMASK (from "Damascus"), I learned from Shakespeare:
My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress, when she walks, treads on the ground.
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare. (Sonnet 130)
- 16A: Pirate's lack, stereotypically (VITAMIN C) — this should've been easy, but I confused rickets and scurvy and wrote in VITAMIN D. I would say the "stereotype" relates to sailors, specifically—LIMEYS is slang for Brits because the British navy added lime juice to the daily ration of watered-down rum (grog) in order to prevent scurvy. They switched from lemons to limes ... which ended up being a bad idea, as lemons have 4x the VITAMIN C.
- 33A: Solid red ball (THREE) — in billiards, the THREE ball is solid red
- 4D: Order from an impassioned drill instructor ("AGAIN!") — bizarre clue. Also, "impassioned" is weird. That makes him sound like he's just a drill enthusiast, as opposed to a sadist. It doesn't really evoke ... drill instructorness.
- 5D: Sylvia ___, so-called "Grand Dame of British Cinema" (SYMS) — got this right away, but I think of Sylvia SYMS as a singer ... what am I screwing up? Nothing! Sylvia SYMS is an American jazz singer. She just happens to share a name with the British actress in question. Wow.
- 25D: Whaler's haul (CATCH) — ew, why would you steer this clue into whaling??? Any fishing involves a CATCH. Save the whales, man.
- 47D: Stereotypical tattoo on a poker player's arm (ACE) — here, and with the pirate clue, I really think the puzzle has lost the thread on what "stereotypical" means. I've never once thought of VITAMIN C in relation to pirates, or imagined that a poker player might have a tattoo of any sort, any more than anyone else might. I got ACE easy, but ... "stereotypical"?? I challenge.
- 31D: What solving a Saturday Times crossword might earn you, informally (NERD CRED) — man I hate this. I absolutely hate this self-referential, smarmy, self-congratulatory garbage. If you believe there's such a thing as NERD CRED, you're a creep. And you are definitely not a nerd. Real nerds were outsiders. Before the rise of the internet and the rise of everyone *pretending* they're "nerds," or that they were "nerds" in high school, there were actual nerds. They were outcasts. There was no cred. Trust me. No cred at all. And now it's all this cutesy "look at me, I'm a big nerd, we're all nerds, right?" No. Wrong. You're a normal person who wants "cred" for being "smart." You're extremely normal. Beautiful famous people do the Saturday crossword. Please stop. And go watch Revenge of the Nerds, which is a documentary.
- 39D: It may go across the board (QUEEN) — ah, chess. Now we're in nerdville (jk, you guys are very cool!). I had multiple wrong QU- guesses here at first, including QUILT (the "board" is ... a table? bed?) and QUEST (the "board" is ... some kind of RPG game board).
See you next time.
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140 comments:
I think in this instance “Whaler” refers to the brand of boat, not the whaling industry
No idea why but the answer nerdcred still has me smiling. I have never considered myself worthy of the title nerd but I now think of it as a badge of honor. The biblical phrase needs to be changed to and the nerds shall inherit the earth. I loved this puzzle.
nEcco (which has also been defunct as of 2018) instead of CERTS made this one slower than average for me, oof.
Read "Moby Dick." Whale ships didn't return with a "catch." They returned with a hold full of whale oil. The crew ("whalers?") didn't even "haul" a whale aboard. They stripped the blubber from the whale while it was still in the water (with a method that makes my skin crawl to think about it), boiled it away to oil onboard and kept only the oil.
Wayyyy off my wavelength. A solve time about half again as long as my average, and nearly four times as long as my Saturday best. I second Rex’s comments about Certs and the truly unforgivable INSULATIONS, which I also was solving from the bottom up.
It was a proper tough Saturday for me all the way round, with the NW and center being especially troublesome. Agree with Rex on the clue for CERTS - it’s “candy” in some technical way, I suppose, but in my c-store mints are with gum at the checkout, not in the aisles with the candy.
Well, in my book, David P hit the golden trifecta today – skill, wit, and beauty. This was, to me, a dazzler.
SKILL. It’s an uber-low 66-word grid and where is the junk? Okay, maybe ESS? Where else? Look at this grid! A set of white-glove clean and interesting answers covering a wide palette of knowledge, highlighted by crossing three-stacks. Try making one of these sometime! Skill indeed.
WIT. A cluing clinic imbued with shrewdness. Misdirects such as [Salty drink] for SEA. Vague clues such as [Place for subs] for BENCH in a world where "sub" has multiple meanings. Riddles such as the magnificent [It may go across the board], for QUEEN. It feels to me as if David did not mail it in on a single clue here.
BEAUTY. Okay -- NO SPIN, SCUTTLE, NONCHALANCE, DON’T RUB IT IN, BET THE RANCH, CONTRARIANS, UNDER THE SUN, AUGHTS.
Top notch. High quality. Stunning Saturday. Seven more puzzles in this series, David? I am all in. Thank you for a sterling outing!
The C in CERTS was the last square to fall for me - just a wild stab as I had the same reaction as Rex. I also thought the clue for INSULATIONS is about as far as you want to stretch things, even on a Saturday.
I was also baffled by MARNIE - I thought all of Hitchcock’s films would be super-famous, like Psycho. Now, I’ll probably google it, find out it was super good and won all kind of awards, and I just never heard of it - which of course would not be unusual at all.
Side notes:
• This gorgeous grid design first showed up in the Times in 2022 (Kameron Austin Collins).
• I gave a side-eye to INSULATIONS, but there *are* different types, and I don’t care anyway, because David won me over with [They cover top stories].
Certs definitely misclued. I was not happy with nonchalance for disregard. I understood that disregard was not a verb in this case, but I thing disregard has a negative connotation, while nonchalance is more lighthearted- insouciance. As I finally filled in CAMO, I thought it would be in Lewis’s five favorites for the week.
The pirate's stereotypical lack of vitamin c is a reference to the pirate-speak cliché "scurvy dog."
Good Saturday puzzle, great Rex write-up.
Came to say this as well.
This was a challenging Saturday. Not over the top but the best late week solve in about a month. Most of that resistance was in the center. The corners varied but even with three of them in place I struggled to fill that western half of the center. That ridiculous INSULATIONS was a major roadblock. It was one of those entries that's so bad it's good. Because of it even though the SE was the one early week easy segment it left me with nothing. A DENNY/BENNY write over supported by DINER/BENCH was sealing off the top so backfilling the NW made no difference.
The NE was regular Saturday but I stopped cold at BANAL. DONTRUBITIN sat by it's lonesome for awhile. I had to fill the SW to finish the puzzle and that involved MARNIE going in and out again. This was a good solve and I hope this constructor keeps up the streak.
Medium-Challenging for me. A wheelhouse/wavelength issue. Very few overwrites but lots and lots of WOEs, basically every single proper noun.
Omg, this write up was a tour de force. I’m laughing so hard I can’t drink my coffee.Between Live by the Retsyn, Die by the Retsyn, and pizzas exploding in people’s faces, I’m surprised my whole house has not woken up. INSULATIONS is ridiculous. Was also upset about the Whales until I read the comments here. Thank you for my daily dose of vitamin L.
Anyone else really want BOTH LEGS or BOTH EYES at 16A? I found this a fun and rewarding Saturday puzzle. Lots of misdirection led to many little aha moments. Good stuff.
And Necco actually was a candy
Found it tough but fair. Thanks for explaining the QUEEN answer (makes sense). I was totally mystified. Was thinking it had something to do with beds and head boards.
Survived the typical Saturday cluing (whaler's catch, e.g.) and solved it without cheating after a long struggle. I suspected "top stories" had nothing to with journalism, but referred to buildings.
I had an advantage in the SW. My oldest daughter was born in 1964, and is called "Marnie" because we were looking for a nickname for "Margaret" and happened to see the Hitchcock movie at a drive-in while my wife was pregnant. Marnie's youngest child is "Maggie," and I couldn't be more proud of my beautiful granddaughter.
This blog has helped me SO much in my continuing quest to master the crossword. Thank you!
I really hate how often the word “nerd” is used in these puzzles. It was an insult in school and it still resonates that way when I hear it now.
Are there any puzzles Rex can't solve? He thought this was medium but I thought it was impossible.
Rex thinks NERDCRED is an insult, because the word suggests crossword puzzle solvers aren't any smarter than nerds. Maybe Will Shortz is trying to say, "I must be smarter than all you nerds out there, because I'm able to fool you so often with my tricky clues." Maybe we all take ourselves too seriously.
I didn’t get close. I can’t be the only one.
I agree that CERTS is a breath mint, not a candy, and that INSULATIONS is a stretch. I had nERTS first, mistaking that for Nerds, which is a non-discontinued brand of candy.
I would have clued CONTE as "Trumpeter Candoli", but I suppose fans of Italian prime ministers outnumber fans of jazz.
Does insulation really *cover* top stories? I found that misleading, since it’s *inside* the attic.
Cold here this morning, but it's warm inside, as we have lots of INSULATIONS in the attic, said no one ever. Come on man.
Not crazy about segmented puzzles like this, as it's hard to get any flow going. Gave up on the NW when neither one leg nor one eye would fit for the pirate's lack, and actually started with NOD and DINE in the SW and eventually got 'er done. Some real stretches in the clues for CATCH and ABIDES, among others. Some names to the rescue today, as I knew IDRIS and MARNIE. And thank goodness for PIZZAPIE.
Sticky enough Saturday, DPW, but you'll notice I Didn't Put Whooshy in my comments. Stumbly, maybe, and thanks for a fair amount of fun.
Really disappointed that Salty drink wasn’t rum.
Hey All !
Typical toughie for me. Looked up about four-five answers to allow me to finish, otherwise I'd be stuck for the foreseeable future.
Liked the symmetrical ONE ONE and ONE IDA. I know it's one word! Clue for VITAMIN C quite the stretch. Thanks for the Rexplanation. UNDER THE SUN a new one here. Third from the SUN, sure, but UNDER is odd.
We get a Q and two Z's, but guess what? You got it, no F's!
Nice, tough SatPuz. Bring along all the letters next time. Har.
Get my thrilling book (of course I say that, I wrote it!) Changing Times by Darrin Vail at barnesandnoble.com or Amazon. Unsure how many F's it contains. 😁
Happy Saturday!
No F's
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DarrinV
Lively and colloquial. The fill is very colorful: DON'T RUB IT IN; BET THE RANCH; CONTRARIANS; NONCHALANCE; UNDER THE SUN. The facts -- especially about fabrics and clothing -- are interesting. So that's how the BLAZER got its name. So that's the derivation of that kind of weave. And I love, love, love the clue for CAMO (25A).
I guessed at the CERTS/CONTE cross and was right. But was CERTS a candy? I thought it was a breath freshener and probably tasted somewhat medicinal. I like my candies more...sinful,
While not terribly hard, just about every clue in the puzzle requires some thinking. My kind of puzzle. I really enjoyed it and was sorry when it was over.
But even though it's Saturday and I solved it with no problems, please, please don't "award" me any NERD CRED. To quote Sherman: "If nominated, I will not run and if elected, I will not serve." NERD has always had a really, really negative connotation to me and, no, that connotation hasn't changed a bit because of some recent and very dumb movies. So the phrase NERD CRED comes off to me as a complete oxymoron. It's an insult, not a compliment.
Hey, got my NERDCRED this morning but had to cheat so no biggie. Problems were four names—RUDD, CONTE, SYMS, and BENNY. Otherwise hung in there and worked it all out. Last word to fill in was CATCH, which I had initially filled in as whale “sperm” so that took a bit of adaptation. Thought NONCHALANCE a rough fit but close enough for crosswords.
When I was (mostly pleasantly) solving, I bookmarked a few clues that I was hoping to see to see Rex highlight, and this write-up nailed all of them. I laughed many times over at the discussion of NERD CRED (which I initially had as woRD CRED). The discussion of PIZZA PIE was a surprise delight, and I’m laughing all over just to remember it. Lovely puzzle and delightful write-up: a great start to my Saturday!
It’s like you read my mind with your write up (except for the Benny thing - I’m not cool enough to know the names of the members of ABBA, except a guess if Bjorn). I was sure it was GRIDCRED. Finally got NERDCRED and finished the puzzle. So now I have GRIDCRED!
got my NERD CREDS today....whew
Yes! As someone who drives by several of the old NECCO factories frequently, I wanted NECCO…
Truly unforgiveable!
Welcome back Will Shortz and thank you for bringing back sexist sh!t like 11-D. I knew something was missing in my life.
Great write up today! Doily is only a fancy addition to a place setting if it's in my grandma's house, where all the pots of violets are sitting on doilies. Wanted "bet the farm" instead of the ranch, and Certs were not candy.
I wanted "lower leg" 😂
Isn’t the appearance of the word “beg” in both a clue (“They beg to differ”) and an answer (“I beg you”) a pretty big crossword nono?
CERTS/CONTE was my one error. I had the leftover nERTS from NERDS, even though I thought they still made those.
Inre CERTS: Go ahead and be mad at a clue, but a quick google check shows there was some controversy including court cases with differing results regarding whether CERTS is a candy or breath mint. Cadbury wanted to export them to the US as a breath mint under some kind of medicine category as opposed to the sweet minty confection they were determined to be by the US tariff department. They were successfully marketed as what you need for bad breath, but floss, brushing and eschewing coffee and cigarettes are far more effective:) Later, they won the right to be imported as breath medicine - I’m guessing payola.
The NERD ship has sailed, and it no longer has the dire insult connotation, (our traumatic childhood memories notwithstanding). People who want to show that they are ready to dive deep into something now proudly declare themselves to be NERDS. Language evolves…
Honest>NOSPIN for 7A straight shooting. This slowed down my NE.
Overall a very clean and thought-inducing Saturday experience.
I was thinking that one is “racked” or “riddled” by guilt and couldn’t easily find my way to RIDDEN.
I was beginning to worry that Will had lost his fastball, but aside from the same problem that everyone had with the clue for CERTS, this was a great puzzle with great clues.
No me lo frotes, apuesto el rancho.
Good humor, smart answers, but mostly too difficult for me.
Back of hand to forehead, dupe! ONE ONE. Gasp.
People: 6
Places: 1
Products: 4
Partials: 1 {wow!}
Foreignisms: 0
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 12 of 66 (18%) {a single standing ovation leads to the crowd rising to its feet and the rare roar of olé, bravo, and go team fills the auditorium ... how did he do it?}
Funnyisms: 7 😂
Uniclues:
1 Healthy habit.
2 When god smacks you upside the head.
3 Carbohydrated Bush-era.
4 Gents who believe crawdads are food, not friends.
1 VITAMIN C BLAZER
2 DIVINE TREMOR
3 PIZZA PIE AUGHTS
4 CREOLE IDEA MEN (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: When you're excited to scrawl little hearts above the letter. DOTTED I PSYCHED.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lovely Saturday puzzle! I had to come back to it twice before it finally fell, after changing Nerts to Certs. This fixed the Italian PM conundrum and triggered the happy music.
Speaking of Italian PM's, Wikipedia says there've been 60 so far, with Benito Mussolini serving the longest at almost 21 years, while Tommaso Tittoni, alas, lasted only 16 days.
Today I can say my feelings about the puzzle mirrored a lot of what Rex and Pabloinnh said with a hefty dash of Nancy. There were things I really LOVED and few things that flummoxed me due to (what I think) was questionable clueing. I learned that Budapest had second oldest METRO and I like that. CERTS a candy? (See Nancy). I had some stupid initial answers that really held me up (because I forget they weren’t 100%) such as TINge for TINCT, and banty (aka bantam chicken) for QUAIL. I am the type who freezes like a deer in headlights when I see long colloquial phrase clues, so I was quite pleased when I plunked in DONTRUBITIN (without crosses) and it was right!
Pretty smooth sailing for a Saturday aside from the names, of course. I thought the grid looked familiar and after reading RP’s notes about the “13 ways,” Looked it up and found yes, it’s the fourth identical one since this time last year. I’m curious how the whole thing will be related to blackbirds if at all. I’ve been on a mission to learn more about crows this winter since I have a lot of them around. They’re intelligent and highly social and for some reason I find them fascinating, but then it doesn’t take much to entertain me these days.
Whaler, I believe refers to the brand of a boat rather than the SEA creature. I got INSULATIONS without understanding the top story part but that’s a great clue. Didn’t know the word BLAZER had its origins in the color red. Made me wonder if there’s ever been one made of CAMO. Looked it up and found yes, there was going to be one featured in a special hunting issue of Vogue last fall, but they decided to SCUTTLE it.
YES!! Applause, applause for the 18% GGGG reading!
Cleopatra: Oh my darling, do you love me enough to build a structure that will halt the mighty Nile in its place at Aswan?
Caesar: That's a big DAMASK!
What a day for the dupes! A meta dupe at ONEONE plus something about ONEIDA, which is better than no IDAs.
Don't mean to be picky, but yesterday we got NOSERING and today NOSPIN.
Did you see the SNAPSHOT of her getting ready to DOTED? Ted's a lucky guy, cuz that SNAPSHOT.
Hijack actor, somewhat nonsensically, upon seeing Napoleon's home-in-exile: IDRIS was I ere I was Elba.
It takes a lot to make me think fondly of QUAIL, but Vance has that effect.
Maybe that scurvy-ridden pirate wears a patch because a big PIZZAPIE exploded when it hit his eye. Thanks for that fun image, @Rex.
I agree that "impassioned" is not how I picture the typical drill instructor. It summons the image of a guy with a beret and a cigarette holder yelling "AGAIN you CONTRARIANS!"
I had a good time with this puzzle, but found myself wondering "What if all 13 have already been submitted and 7 were rejected?" Hope this isn't the case. Thanks, David P. Williams.
I started with RIGHT EYE
All the NERDCRED discussion reminds me that I had ___RDCRED and confidently wrote in WORDCRED, which is a much better prize for crossword solvers.
Really liked this puzzle. Agree with the CERTS complaint and the QUEEN love, strongly disagree with the NERDCRED complaint. It’s just a cute little joke.
If someone wants to make excellent puzzles like this and has some personal reason for the grid layout, seems fine to me and no more or less pointless as a personal project than any other. Strange thing to criticize imo.
I found the NW corner to be tougher than the rest of the puzzle. I had IDRIS and ESS and couldn't get any of the crosses, also I wanted the pirate answer to be some kind of EYE or LEG. I wanted CONTRARIANS early on but -NC at 16A seemed nonsensical, so I only put CONTRARIANS in when many crosses became undeniable. I finished in the NW, where the terminal U at 13A gave me YOU, then KOI, then VITAMIN C and the rest of the corner.
I get my vitamins C & E from spinach.
Yes! And was a bit annoyed as, per Rex’s comment, I think of BOTH of those as more “stereotypically” lacking in pirates than vitamin C.
That ship may have sailed -- but it certainly hasn't sailed for me! Now you know how much I like you, @burtonkd, but it's only right that I give you fair warning. If you ever call me a NERD, no matter how much lovingkindness may be in your heart when you say it, I cannot answer for the consequences. I'd be careful with absolutely everyone else, too. It's a decided minority of people who have gleefully proclaimed nerdiness as the summit of human achievement to which they aspire, and they do not -- they cannot -- speak for anyone else.
This one whupped me. Maybe if I'd known where Thimphu was (I finally looked it up), or who was coach of the Bengals, but I DUNNO -- I tried take a pluNge, then take a chaNce, until cheating had giving me the B and I finally accepted DOTED. (Do I dote? I love those kids, but I don't know if I'd call it doting--but one is always the last to know, I guess.)I somehow got SYMS, BENNY and RUDD from guessing, but I had to look up CERTS (which I think of as a breath mint, not a candy). And I still have no idea how OCT means "That's unreal!"
I get drink as a metaphor for SEA, but I'm not sure you can attach adjectives to it, as in "'salty drink." And IDEA MEN sounds like the puzzle was clued by J.D. Vance.
So, no NERD CRED for me this morning!
Yes, disappointing, and 43A
WORD Cred? Oh I like that! So shall it be written, so shall it be done.
I think it's from Ecclesiastes, "There is nothing new UNDER THE SUN."
Same here!
Necco candy, one hand-ed pirate who later lacked legal inc.
Did not understand QUEEN or BENCH until coming here.
Really wrestled with the NW but finally my mental librarian found SYMS in the stacks and Bob's your uncle!
CERTS is unforgivable. It is, as has been stated many times, not a candy and therefore, even though I know it well, and could believe that it was discontinued, never considered it as the answer. nERTS sounds like a 50s candy that's been discontinued, and nONTE is a perfectly plausible Italian person's name. BAD
That’s the way I like my Saturdays… At first glance looks impossible and then the golden “whoosh whoosh”
It's ACT, no oCT.
Ah, it's AUGHTS, not the oUGHTS I had, making it ACT rather than oCT. But I still don't understand -- oh wait, one is putting on an ACT?!! OK.
@Chris R -- jazz is good; the number of fans of Italian Prime Ministers is essentially zero.
Me too!
I had “grid cred” instead of nerd cred. And that error wasted about 15 minutes for me. I found today to be more challenging than usual.
Was I the only person offended by “idea men”?
Showing 11 results for Bit of color
Modern Era daily puzzles — 9 matches found
Sat Feb 15, 2025 28 D Bit of color TINCT
Mon Jan 30, 2023 51 D Little bit of color TINGE
Wed Apr 29, 2020 60 A Little bit of color TINGE
Mon Mar 4, 2019 43 A Bit of color TINGE
Tue Apr 1, 2014 24 D Bit of color HINT
Wed Mar 22, 2000 22 A Bit of color TINGE
Tue Jan 6, 1998 49 D Bit of color TINGE
Sun Aug 4, 1996 33 A Bit of color SPLOTCH
Wed Feb 23, 1994 43 D Bit of color TINGE
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So yeah, that stopped me from filling B---L as BANAL because nothing ends in NGH. I had the NE, SE, SW all filled out and basically nothing in the middle except DONTRUBITIN.
When I finally took TINge out, the entire rest of the puzzle whooshed into place in what felt like 3 minutes. Brutal.
Mostly easy for me, except that honest before NO SPIN was costly, plus I had trouble coming up with CERTS because (hi @Rex) I don’t think of CERTS as a candy and CONTE was a WOE.
BHUTANI and ZAC were also a WOEs.
…and it turns out, like @Rex, I “knew” SYMS for the wrong reason.
On the other hand, CONTRARIANS went in off the C in VITAMIN C which helped open up the grid, plus RUDD and IDRIS were gimmes.
Pretty solid with fun center stack, liked it.
Not to be that guy but "go watch Revenge of the Nerds, which is a documentary" is a decent enough joke, but directs people to a movie in which the heroes commit multiple sex crimes. I say this as someone who loved that movie when I was a teenager and watched it a million times, and never once questioned the heroism of the Lambdas. And that right there is how r*** culture works.
TINge for TINCT is **not stupid**, "Bit of color" has been a clue in modern era 8 times previously, 6 of those have been TINge, and the other two weren't even five letters.
What is the variant part of BHUTANI?
I'm okay with CERTS. But I'm not okay with INSULATIONS. That is just awful, awful, awful and definitelyshuld have been edited out.
Nicely challenging for me and offering plenty of fun: all of the long entries Across and Down; VITAMIN C clued via pirates, who ply the salty drink; the easy clue for PIZZA PIE + the hard one for PASTA; learning about. BLAZERs. I was just sorry to end my solve on the horrible NERD CRED.
DNF: Like some others here have reported - my "nECCO" became nERdS and then nERTS, which I didn't really believe (nor did I have a good feeling about nONTE as an Italian last name) but CERTS as a "classic candy" never occurred to me.
@anonymous 11:18 am: I hope so but probably not, unfortunately.
I wouldn't say offended, but certainly unpleasantly surprised by a gender-neutral clue leading to a single-gender answer (and thus the obviously erroneous implication that that members of that gender are more likely to fit the clue).
That bugged me.
Agree with Rex, Certs are technically mints and not candy. Although, I have childhood memories sucking those down like candy in the 1970s. Certs along with Velamints and Wilhelmina peppermints were the only things I could dig out of my mom’s pocketbook.
Thanks, David P. Williams! Looking forward to #7 of the Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird. The intrigue is fun and try not to drag it too much.
It’s generally thought of as a lesser effort, starring Sean Connery and Tippi Hedren.
after signing the last of the 5,347 diplomas, the dean had certs-cred.
Great Puzzle, David! Very tough... right at the margin for me. Any tougher and I definitely would have given up. Stared at that NC at the end of the pirate's lack, and just new it was wrong. ?zinc? what was it??? Finally thought of VITAMINC! I had the same CERTS problem as everyone else. Filled it with nERTS at first, but then the end came and no happy music.... remembered I had considered CERTS but rejected it because it definitely was not marketed as a candy... and, voila! Loved so many of the entries--AUGHTS, BHUTANI, NERDRED, SCUTTLE, CREOLE, UNDERTHESUN. All awesome entries. Took me forever to try the Q there for QUEEN/QUAIL... that was the last spot for me to get. Thanks!
@Rex I took "Whaler" to mean a Boston Whaler... it's a small boat.
But what do I know, I thought pirates lacked VITAMINs, which made CONTRARIANS very hard to see.
@Jberg "... IDEA MEN sounds like the puzzle was clued by J.D. Vance" 😆😅
I bet the BETTHERANCH people are in Texas.
Had _AMO, thought, huh, ran alphabet, got to C and there it was.
@Pablo 10:26 Me, too!
+1. I was almost that guy myself but I scanned the write up for TINge / TINCT and didn't see the RotN plug until after I posted my comment.
https://www.gq.com/story/revenge-of-the-nerds-oral-history
Had the NC at the end of the pirate clue and still couldn't get it. Argggh. But for those of you itching for a bad joke about Jewish pirates, you've come to the right place.
So two old Jewish pirates, both retired and in their 70's, run into each other in Miami Beach.
Abe! How are you?
Max! How've you been?
Not too bad; can't complain.
But, what happened? -- your hook for an arm? Your eye patch? You didn't have those the last time I saw you.
Oh, yeah. Terrible. The hook I got when I was boarding a ship. I wasn't careful and during the fight, one of the crewmembers lopped off my arm.
Terrible. And the eye?
Yeah, that was terrible too. I was just relaxing on the beach and this damn seagull pooped in my eye!
OK, but would that cause you to lose it?
Well, I had just gotten my hook. . . .
The NW played really hard for me. Everywhere else was easy, but it took me forever to suss that section out.
Me too. Names were impossible and some clues really off like the one covering top stories and the discontinued candy, certs. It is a breath mint, not a candy. You wouldn’t have more than one at a time and it has a distinct purpose. Too many esoteric names.
This isn't the Borscht Belt, @Liveprof. Why do the pirates have to be Jewish?
(hand up for being offended)
Properly SatPuz feisty solvequest.
staff weeject pick [of only 8 choices]: ZAC. No-know dude.
honrable mention to: ESS & SEA [M&A's first two puz gets].
fave stuff: Quad Jaws of Themelessness. UNDERTHESUN. VITAMINC. BETTHEFARM...er...RANCH. PIZZAPIE [our sup last night]. NERDCRED for successfully finishin this here rodeo. DA MASK.
Thanx, Mr. Williams dude. Nice 66-worder constructioneerin job.
Masked & Anonym007Us
... and, for a possible dessert ...
"High Times" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
Don't know why, but I found this one ridiculously difficult. Ended up having to look up half the answers, could barely find purchase at all. I don't think it was a bad issue, just not for me.
This was a very satisfying Saturday for me; just tough enough at 21.5 minutes. Since I don't remember getting annoyed by all the stupid names, I expected Gary Jugert's Gunk Gauge to be low. But 18%, wow!!
One decent loop-i-answer today: NO SPIN, I BEG YOU!
I really grimaced at INSULATIONS. That's pretty ugly. I wanted PENTHOUSES but it didn't fit (also I think by definition a penthouse doesn't totally cover the roof). I had multiple typeovers for 37 down "Tried out": TASTED, DEMOED, and I think several others that I can't remember (it was last evening).
MARNIE isn't as famous as the earlier Hitchcock movies, same for Torn Curtain, Frenzy, and Family Plot which followed it. The 1951 (Strangers on a Train) to 1963 (The Birds) period was just one classic after another for him.
Really hated this one, and - in a horrible twist - immediately moved on to a puzzle in the archive that ALSO had “ONEONE” clued as “New Year’s Day, informally.” I’ll spare you all a recount of the actual, out loud curses that spewed from my mouth. These two puzzles, equally dreadful back to back, spoiled my Saturday dog walk.
Haha…I initially thought roof gardens which DOES fit.
Jewish? How is that funny?
Me: Don’t be “men,” don’t be “men,” don’t be “men.” [facepalm]
Another hand up for WORDCRED!
Medium-ish by time (somehow) but felt difficult. I recognized the constructor's name, then chuckled when I saw the grid. The pinwheel grid guy! Proper Sat, thanks David.
I'm guessing they added "Var." so people wouldn't complain that BHUTANI should be Bhutanese. It seems both are acceptable. Happy to learn the other Sylvia and "comestible," a much better word than repast, viand, and victual (pronounced like its var. "vittle," for whatever reason.)
"I'm not a nerd... nerds are smart."
“Under” may be new to you, but it’s not odd. It’s a common phrase.
Thanks Jared…maybe *stupid* was an unfortunate choice of words. I guess I meant committing to “tinge” rather than view it as “the other option” was an *unfortunate* decision.
In almost total agreement with Rex today. INSULATIONS in the plural just awful. NONCHALANCE took me forever, thanks to the verb mislead. And, Thanks, Rex, for the yucks a-plenty on PIZZAPIE. Comestible will stay with me, now. I promise.
I wanted GRIDCRED.
A person from Bhutan is (a) Bhutanese. Bhutani is the language spoken by that person. But apparently some people use the latter to mean the former.
This puzzle ran both hard and easy for me. Mostly easy but when it was hard, I was worried.
I waited a long time before putting down CONTRARIANS. I didn't like how that was going to make 19A end. I only had the I of KOI in there. What lack of a pirate was going to end in I_C? And then, INC after I got 14D? So VITAMIN C got a chuckle out of me.
Me too on the “eww” for CATCH as a whale haul and an eye roll over IDEA MEN, sigh.
I considered “grain” as something that may go across the board in 39D.
Overall, nice puzzle, David P. Williams, thanks.
I got a late start but was pleasantly surprised on a Saturday. While BENNY, DISREGARD, QUEEN, INSULATIONS & SCUTTLE (I had SCRATCH) stumped me , I really liked NONCHALANCE, DON'T RUB IT IN & nice to see Dean singing about Pizza Pie. Thank you, David for a very pleasant Saturday :)
I don't see this as a "highly segmented" grid, and if it is, it's split into three pieces, not five. The NW and SE are cut off, but there are plenty of connections between the NE and SW and the center. Not that it helps in solving a crossword grid, but I count six different diagonal paths a QUEEN could take from one corner section to the other (starting at the "IDD" in RIDDEN and the EMO in TREMOR).
I'm with those who wondered why a pirate is stereotypically lacking VITAMIN C. Before the discovery of the cause of scurvy, all sailors who spent extended time at SEA were lacking VITAMIN C. These days, sailors, including pirates, are no more likely to be lacking VITAMIN C than any other group.
I think INSULATIONS can be justified, however twisted and far-fetched the rationalization might be. For me the bigger issue is that the pluralizing S is there for one reason only---to boost its letter count and enable a 10 letter word to fill an 11 square slot. See also its neighbor CONTRARIANS. Plural of convenience (POC) to the rescue!
As with most puzzles, there were a few names in this one that I did not know but was able to piece together with help from crosses. The operative word here is "few" whereas yesterday's grid had what seemed to me to be a "slew" of unknown names. I was able to fill those in also but that parade of names was the lasting impression I took away from the solve. Hence the posting in the comments of the 12 clues for names I didn't know.
For the record, I almost never wax splenetic over a crossword puzzle. My adding the "need to vent my spleen" to my comment yesterday was a misguided attempt at droll hyperbole. Maybe if I had added an appropriate emoji that would have been more obvious.
Completed w/o errors, but only after VITAMINS, UNDER THE SKY, SIMS and GHANANI.
But most of the fill just flowed easily from my pen.
One thing: I know many "thoughtful types" who are actually women. I'd bet the farm that Williams and Shortz know a few, too. IDEA MEN went out years ago. Maybe the clue should be "Thoughtful types (obs.)"
Good Saturday mind bender, thanks David, I had "satat" for 34 across that slowed me up...
Not a requirement, but seems funnier to me. Maybe it's playing off the Jewish mother stereotype of wanting her son to be a doctor. He's a pirate -- oy!
This was pretty good. A nice workout without being stupidly unfair.
A Perfect Circle - The Contrarian
As far as I’m concerned, you go with Paolo CONTE if you’ve got a CONTE to clue.
“Bit of attire” had me thinking…well, just a *bit* of attire. More like an accessory than a whole doggone sport coat. Several of the toughest clues, like this and CERTS, seemed tough as much from being slightly off-target as from being fiendishly clever.
My wife would like to issue a correction: Revenge of the Nerds was not in fact a documentary. Real Genius, released the following year…now *that* was a documentary.
Lots of good laughs in the write-up today…thanks, Rex!
Certs is a breath mint ...
Yes, Certs is a breath mint, not a candy, but then I remembered their advertising campaign: “Certs is a candy mint!” “Certs is a breath mint!” Stop! You're both right!”
For years whenever anyone in my house hears the success music when I complete the puzzle I hear “nerd alert!” yelled from the closest person. Makes me smile every time.
Good review.
I enjoyed Sonnet 130, but wouldn't recommend it as a Valentine's Day verse. Too many ladies would be crumpling up the card and cramming it down your throat by the time they get to the part about breath reeking.
I also incorrectly put in oughts instead of aughts so also couldn't parse OCT. Eventually I fixed that. My ABBA guy was named Benne seemed like it could be a Swedish name, as I put in noble instead of nobly. Certs was not candy, that they spent a ton of advertising $'s claiming otherwise is proof it is not.
Thanks
Amen
Anonymous 9:44 AM
nEcco instead of CERTS
You didn’t say but you must live in the Boston suburbs. I live in the tiny state to the south Loved that candy when I was a kid.
Didn’t make that mistake but I “misremembered” Conte as Monte and thought it was some candy I never heard of! ( Stopped eating candy years ago). So DNF.
CERTS never occurred to me.
Had to Google Conte, Syms, and Zac. Got everything else from crosses. Really enjoyed this puzzle. Thanks David!
Anonymous 9:21 AM
About crossword clues like they cover top stories. They are hints, not definitions from a dictionary.
It would be a good Saturday clue if it were in the singular. Close enough for crosswords.
My first guess
Rich
About dupes. To answer your question. NO
Shortz et al long ago dropped the “rule “ if they ever had it. Dupes happen all the time. Rex only mentions what he considers egregious. Personally they bother me not at all.
Yes! I had Necco, too. Used to walk by the factory on my way to work in Boston. Chocolate day was heavenly or DIVINE.
Necco wafers are still being made. I just bought three rolls yesterday.
I had the same reaction! So sexist.
yes, i kept thinking it had to be something about legs or eyes with the "stereotypical" ! count me in with anon 10:25am for thinking it had to be "right" something or other. glad to find good company :)
-stephanie.
wrong NECCO Wafers are still in Stop&Shop. but made in Mexico.
easy, until one spot that caused a DNF.
i didn't know the abba person or the italian pm, and my spot for subs was LUNCH which left me with the perfectly good seeming LENNY but then what of _URTS for the candy and the italian guy could be anything in the first letter spot. so i ran the alphabet but nothing gave me the happy music. could find no other errors and finally googled "abba members" and saw where my mistake started. never considered subs to be a sports reference until BUNCH didn't make sense.
[also, hi to those that thought about NECCO initially. you can still buy necco wafers though as they are still in production after they were bought by a new company :) and agree CERTS are mints, but the best thing about certs that's worth knowing was crunching them in the bathroom mirror with the door shut and the lights off. green sparks! mom taught me that as a kid. apparently, it's triboluminescence. "the wintergreen oil in the candy absorbs the ultraviolet light and re-emits it as visible blue light." the more you know.]
agree that INSULATIONS is just bad. i knew it would be about the top of a building but i was thinking like, shingles, attics, dormers, things like that. when i saw what the answer would be, it's like, not only is it a cringe-level plural but it also doesn't track IME. insulation is everywhere and the clue makes it sound like it's only for tops of buildings for some reason? and even putting that aside, my father puts on his winter coat and hat every time he goes up into our attic. insulation schminsulation. [i'm sure some top stories have insulation! this clue/answer combo just wasn't for me.]
last note: i guess rex has never heard of a card player keeping an ACE up their sleeve? ;)
-stephanie.
Yes, woRDCRED was in my grid for a long time.
Offended? LOL. My my. If a Male person wants to be identified/called a Male, that offends you? Would IDEAWOMAN cause the same amount of offense? I'm guessing no.
"Touch of color" was the clue for TINCT on 6/19/24. I've been working through old puzzles I missed during a hiatus, and this answer bothered me enough to go to Rex's blog on that date, where he noted having also written TINge.
This puzzle pissed me off. First DNF in a long time, and then when I saw the answers I was like “no,” “no,” “no,” “no”, “no”. Just awful cluing.
Popeye never had scurvy all that time he was at sea!
Ha, I also have a friend named Marnie, because that movie was her parents' first date. I guess when she finally saw the Hitchcock flop about, well, let's say "a troubled marriage", she was apparently mortified.
I put in WORDCRED.
I had WORDcred too!
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