Cocido or callaloo / THU 10-3-24 / Human-shaped board game piece / Major media campaign, say / Animal cry that sounds like a Greek letter / City that's absolutely gorges / Female friend, casually / TV character who said "Computers make excellent and efficient servants, but i have no wish to serve under them"

Thursday, October 3, 2024

Constructor: Rena Cohen

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: POLYGRAPH (53A: Test required for all C.I.A. applicants ... or a hint to this puzzle's theme) — three theme answers are visual representations of failed POLYGRAPH tests, with the letters "LIE" representing a SPIKE in the readout (52A: 53-Across feature, as seen three times in this puzzle); that is, "LIE" appears in a single box, elevated above the plane of its answer (up and over a black square).

Theme answers:
          [LIE]
WHILE SUPP     S LAST (19A: Disclaimer on a sale poster)

    [LIE]
CHAR     SHEEN (26A: Actor who played a character with the same first name of "Two and a Half Men")

     [LIE]
NONBE     VERS (46A: Skeptics)
"LIE" crosses:
  • 5D: Metal marble (STEE[LIE]) / 23A: Contradict (BE[LIE])
  • 7D: Singer/songwriter Goulding (EL[LIE]) / 17A: More slippery (EE[LIE]R)
  • 33D: Half sister of Kim, Khloé and Kourtney (KY[LIE]) / 41A: First name in student loans (SAL[LIE])
Word of the Day: Girls, INC. (9A: Girls, ___ (nonprofit since 1864)) —
Girls Inc.
 (established in 1864) is an American nonprofit organization which encourages girls to be "Strong, Smart, and Bold" through direct service and advocacy. // The Girls Inc. (Girls Club of America) movement was founded in 1864 in Waterbury, Connecticut. The organization's mission was to help young women who had migrated from rural communities in search of job opportunities, experiencing upheaval in the aftermath of the Civil War. In 1945, fourteen charter Girls Clubs joined together to form a national organization. In 1990 the Girls Club of America changed their name to Girls Incorporated. // Rachel Harris Johnson founded the organization. In 1919, she became secretary of the Worcester Girls Club, which her mother helped found. She later became the club's president and in 1945 formed a national organization and served as its first president until 1952. (wikipedia)
• • •


Theme good, fill bad. That is the tl;dr review today. I don't know that this is the best visual representation of what a polygraph SPIKE looks like—I'm used to seeing not one but several "spikes" when the testee lies, but then again, I've only seen POLYGRAPH readouts in movies, so who knows—but it's close enough. Anyway, it just has to evoke the idea, not mirror it perfectly, and this theme evokes the lie detector readout just fine. Cleverly, in fact. The answers SPIKE when there's a "LIE"—what more do you want from your lie detector theme!? My only complaint about the theme is that there are just three theme answers. Seems light, especially since I had two of the themers knocked off before the puzzle had really gotten underway. Picked up the "LIE" fast at STEE[LIE] / BE[LIE], and once I got to WHILE S- in the NW corner (19A: Disclaimer on a sale poster), it was no trouble at all to extrapolate from there to WHILE SUPP[LIE]S LAST, even though I didn't yet know how the whole "LIE" thing was gonna work yet. So I just wrote in WHILE SUPP, then got USHER, then read the clue at 28-Across and saw it was just a "—" ... and that was when I realized I had a split-answer-type theme on my hands. STEE[LIE] / BE[LIE] made the "LIE" look like a regular old rebus square. No indication of answers spiking. It was only when I hit the [—] clue that I knew something else was going on, that answers were jumping, and then, in a blink, bim bam boom, I'm 2/3 of the way through the theme before I really know what's happening:


So I went from thinking it was a simple "LIE" rebus, to realizing that the "LIE"s were jumping over black squares, but still no idea what the concept was. It was a bit weird to back into it through SPIKE. That is, it feels like the better revealer, the primary revealer, is POLYGRAPH, but I got to SPIKE first, so the "revelation" felt odd, slightly backward, but no matter. The revealers did their job, and provided good justification for all the jumping rebus action.  


As I say, I would've enjoyed a fourth themer, but then I probably wouldn't actually want this theme to get any denser, as it would likely compromise the fill, which is already gunked up pretty bad. I was wincing throughout, from the cruelty of the ANTIBARK collar, to the avalanche of bad (overcommon and/or ugly) short fill (RELO IPSO POR YER PEI AER INOT AST DHS NAE HEH etc.), to the cloying quaint cutesiness of "OH, POOH," to ... well, a bunch of clues that just seemed off. I hate that MEEPLE is clued as a singular noun (6D: Human-shaped board game piece), when the word itself is clearly meant to sound like "people," which is (obviously) plural. I also just hate MEEPLE on principle, since it's also got a cloying cutesiness about it, but the singular/plural thing is particularly irksome. Who "commutes" via cab?? If you are a commuter, it seems highly unlikely that you could afford to get to work this way. Bus, subway, train, car ... all these things are likely "commuter" vehicles; cabs are not (the problem here is entirely with the clue, as SPLIT A CAB is otherwise a fine answer). And oof, PR PUSH (44D: Major media campaign, say), yet another unwelcome "original" / debut answer  (this has been happening more and more lately, as inflated and badly curated wordlists pollute the crossword airwaves). The crossword is already annoyingly awash in "PR" answers—PRMAN, PRMEN, PRTEAM(S)—just as the world is annoyingly awash in PR. I don't need or want more PR answers. Please refrain.


Bullet points:
  • 51D: Longhorn's college rival (AGGIE) — an AGGIE is also a type of marble, and since this answer is symmetrical with STEE[LIE], I can't believe the marble angle didn't occur to anyone. Maybe it did, but seemed too dated / obscure (since no one plays marbles any more—even I (an oldish person) only know these damn terms from crosswords of yore)
  • 6A: Animal cry that sounds like a Greek letter (MEW) — Speaking of old, I was 54 years old before I learned that the "U" in "Mu" was a diphthong. That is, I learned it just now. I'd been (mostly mentally) pronouncing it like a cow's "moo" for as long as I knew the letter existed. Oh, man, "Nu" isn't pronounced "nyoo," is it? Please say no. Or "Nyo," I guess. (phew, it's "new," crisis averted)
  • 1D: Cocido or callaloo (STEW) — I had the "S" and went with SOUP ... so close! Just ... too thin.
  • 9D: City that's absolutely "gorges" (ITHACA) — that pun is a whole thing up there. There's a t-shirt and everything. No "absolutely," but I can see why this clue went that way.
  • 58A: When sudden death can occur, for short (IN OT) — i.e. "in overtime." "Sudden death" is a "first-team-to-score-wins"-type situation.
  • 41A: First name in student loans (SAL[LIE]) — if the first two [LIE] squares came easy, this one ... didn't. I just ... forgot to be on the lookout. The other two were so obvious that I figured the next one would be too, but no. I got all tangled up thinking the Kardashian sister was just three letters and the student loan name was just four and [Skeptics] was just five *and* ended in "S," which made me question INSOLE (25D: It fits under a tongue). This was by far the hardest part of the puzzle for me, all because I forgot to look for the theme element that I already knew existed :(
See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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63 comments:

Conrad 6:14 AM  


On the easy side for a Thursday (but Thursdays generally seem to be harder for me than for most). I got the rebus deal at STEE[LIE] x BE[LIE] (5Dx23A) and the "spike" idea at CHAR[LIE] SHEEN (26A).

Not a dog owner, I had never heard of an ANTIBARK collar (3D), but was able to get it from crosses. I'm also not a Kardashian follower, so I needed help from the rebus and the cross to get KY[LIE] . My only overwrite was at 22D, LAP on before LAP AT, not realizing that "on" was in the clue. That was quickly fixed by 32A, SKA.

Anonymous 6:40 AM  

Spike under track shoe was unintentionally clever.

Anonymous 6:45 AM  

I got the rebus quick but it really messed me up that the first two themers worked as

WHILESUPP [LIES]LAST and
CHAR [LIES]HEEN

So I had the rebus in the wrong spot and nothing was working. Then instead of POLYGRAPH I went wrong again because [LIE]DETECTOR fit and it was just quite a while before I tore it all out and finally got on the wrong path.

Anthony In TX 6:56 AM  

Got hung up on MEEPLE--I have never heard that word and had a mis-entry in WHILE SUPPLIES LAST, so it took me a little extra time.
I liked the LIE "spike" concept, though. It was clever and added a little bit of a challenge that wouldn't otherwise be there for this puzzle.

SouthsideJohnny 7:04 AM  

I didn’t know what a STEELIE is, and of course I’m not familiar with ELLIE Goulding or KYLIE whatever, so really not much of a chance at grasping the rebus details. Saw the “-“ clues which let me know that the gibberish across stuff was part of the theme gimmick. I stuck with it, but stuff like MEEPLE and OH POOH was just too much to overcome with so much other empty white space and I eventually TITT.

I’m pretty sure my brain is just not hot-wired for these types of puzzles, and even though I suspected a rebus, just not familiar enough with the PPP to pick up on the LIE part (spike helped a little - I think I finally saw CHARLIE SHEEN at one point, but by then I was too battered and bloody to continue). Thursdays continue to be my nemesis.

Son Volt 7:20 AM  

Man - I must be reading too much Rex because as I was doing this one the same nits went through my mind. Neat theme - elegant really but the overall fill was awkward and contrived for the most part.

LUSH Life

Trick fell at SHEEN - I went right to the revealer and other themers and got them quickly. ANTI-BARK, MEEPLE, BOY TOYS, SNOOTS? Some ugly mid to long length fill here. I guess VERONA was cute and ITHACA is always nice to see.

Converse of what we’ve experienced lately - any pleasure in this Thursday morning solve was solely due to the theme.

The SAINTS - a great band that doesn’t get nearly enough credit

Anonymous 7:28 AM  

I enjoyed that all three themes are about topics where the truth is - let’s say ‘stretched’ - advertising, Charlie Sheen, and religion.

Also, as a board gamer, ‘Meeple’, in spite of its origin as the plural ‘my people’ is 100% used as a singular noun, with ‘meeples’ being the plural.

Ann Howell 7:40 AM  

Had a totally different solve experience to Rex - took me *ages* to get any purchase. Had gone through the whole puzzle once with hardly anything filled in... Until I finally saw what was going on with Charlie Sheen and it all started picking up. Cute theme, but not a lot of joy!

Gary Jugert 8:09 AM  

¡Mirame!

I wrote a word lasagna yesterday and it riled up some folks. I guess they don't like Italian food. So today I'll use a PEELER and make a word STEW as it's the only food reference in the puzzle.

But let's pause for a brief public service announcement for the SNOOTS.

{Dramatic pause.}

You know you don't have to read anything I write ever. It's weird you do if you don't like it. You can scroll right on along. Rex doesn't put it on the final exam and it's good for your thumb. I care about your happiness.

Now, onto other LIES.

It took me forever to get this puzzle figured out and I had fun the whole time. Wish it wasn't so gunky, but any puzzle with a KARDASHIAN is a good puzzle.

It's almost as good as the green chile pot pie I found at the Irish pub down the street. I wonder if they make it in TAOS. It SLAPS-ed me in my yummy button. I wanted to LAPAT it all night. It's almost makes this RELO palatable {ba dum dum}.

So I gotta fess up. I love CHARLIE SHEEN and Two and a Half Men. It had one joke and it worked season after season until his meltdown. Remember the Seinfeld POLYGRAPH episode where he's outed for watching Melrose Place? Heelarious.

Propers: 7
Places: 4
Products: 9
Partials: 9
Foreignisms: 3
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 32 of 75 (43%) {wah wah}

Funnyisms: 0 😫

Tee-Hee: OH POOH. (Isn't that how you feel when you realize you've read another post of mine?)

Uniclues:

1 Nighttime prayer for the frisky.
2 Cannibal's review of their callaloo.
3 Y'all's Rogue exhaust.

1 ASKS FOR BOY TOYS
2 CPA STEW? IT'S SAD.
3 YER NISSAN PIPE

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: One arriving here in a sweet ride. COOKIE JAR ALIEN.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 8:20 AM  

For more on Gorges see https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellians/ithaca-is-gorges/

Andy Freude 8:28 AM  

Same here, Ann. Not my cup of tea, but for people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they’ll like.

Anonymous 8:30 AM  

The rebus was a gimme thanks to ELLIE, but it took me a very long time to see the SPIKE theme element. I noticed that there were unclued entries right below LIE squares and I was expecting actual words to go there. I figured it out when I had most of the grid filled in and finally got BOYTOYS x YER confirming -VERS from which I saw NONBE(LIE)VERS. I guess the puzzle went much more smoothly for those who knew CHAR(LIE) SHEEN.

Anonymous 8:39 AM  

First name in student loans is Sallie. The last name is Mae.
Expat in Basel

Anonymous 8:41 AM  

My thoughts exactly! A little painful today

RooMonster 8:53 AM  

Hey All !
Thinking the Blockers were concealed LIEs, or something. But then, all the Downs already had the L, making the Blockers only IEs? But then you have to go up for the L? All this with no nevermind that SPIKE should have told me to go up. Oh well, alas and all that.

Even now knowing the Theme, it's still not really making sense. Why are the Themers split with a Blocker? I get you need to SPIKE (go up to continue word), but there's no correlation to a CIA test. What purpose does the stop and restart serve, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

@pablo
LOL YesterComments about your fifty points! I plan on next year (but, probably won't happen!) to count the ROOs, PAULs, etc, because I think it's closer than you think. Although, if VAIL Colorado shows up, that's also a point for me!

So a strange puz that solved easily for a ThursPuz. Unless it's just me that's strange, which is a very strong argument ...

Happy Thursday!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

pabloinnh 8:54 AM  

Did the whole thing thinking today was Friday so not looking for a rebus. I saw the missing LIES but no clue about ELLIE or KYLIE which would have made the rebus squares obvious. Also missed the whole jump up a square SPIKE gimmick. Come on man.

Other problems included MEEPLE (?!) PRPUSH (ugh), never having seen "Two and a Half Men", TUNEIN, and SHAREACAB. Also AER clued as something other than ____Lingus. Whatever happened to tradition?

In short, very sloggish here .Very clever concept, RC, but you Really Caught me off guard with lots of it. Thanks for some hard-earned fun, at least.

I was about to go looking for the Saturday Stumper but that's not today either. My internal clock is totally discombobulated.

Whatsername 9:05 AM  

Like RP, I thought the theme was good, but unlike him, I thought the fill was just fine too. Got the trick quickly at ELLIE/EELIER but thought it was just a regular rebus until I got to the revealer. Very nice touch there with the SPIKE in each one. My only frownish moment came at the clue for SIS. That’s what I call my sister and a special cousin, but not my friends. Maybe it’s the dreaded “modern slang” version. Anyway, a very likable Thursday overall.

Thanks Rena and kudos on the debut! What a funny coincidence that we just had WashU in the puzzle on Tuesday. Hope you’re hard at work on your next NYT grid, and good luck with that mini in the school paper too.

Judge Morgan 9:09 AM  

Needlessly exhausting for me. So not fun I just quit halfway through.

Anonymous 9:10 AM  

Always happy to see an Elvis Costello vid in the write-up. Love Spike. Thanks!

Nancy 9:40 AM  

I have a very different interpretation from Rex -- and I'm writing this comment as though I hadn't seen his column:

So clever -- and a first, I think -- to hide your rebus both in white squares and in black squares! Whichever rebus you see first, you'll think THAT's the color square it has to go in, and you'll be fooled.

I saw the WHILE SUPP[LIES] LAST rebus first, so I assumed the rebus went in the black squares. This was confirmed by the black square rebus of NON-BE[LIE]VERS and CHAR[LIES]HEEN -- so was I ever surprised when LIE also appeared in the white squares of EE[LIE]R and SAL[LIE].

And what to do about the rebuses being "seen three times" in the puzzle. But there are more than three! Aha -- yes. They're NOT "seen" if they're in the black squares, are they? Dilemma solved.

I knew way ahead of time and without reading the clue that the revealer would be LIE DETECTOR. Except it was POLYGRAPH. Oh, well, I got the main idea of the puzzle.

My theory of the puzzle, for me, works better than Rex's, since I don't see why a rebus square should be ABOVE the words that are being affected. But you decide whose interpretation you like more.

Enjoyed the rebus a lot. But every single pop culture clue annoyed me. They all felt like irritating roadblocks on a trip I happened to be enjoying.

Bob mills 9:42 AM  

Finished it with one cheat...I had ALLIE instead of ELLIE for the songwriter at first. I had no clue as to MEEPLE, but MEW was close enough to the Greek letter MU.The hidden LIEs were over black squares; was that the trick? I figured out Charlie Sheen and While Supplies Last, but it seemed random as to where the hidden words were placed. Typical Thursday...unsatisfying in the end.

Whatsername 9:43 AM  

I wasn’t aware of yesterday’s attack on your character until I read this post and went back to to investigate. What a crock of cocido! Had I read it yesterday, I would have quickly come to your defense. I would’ve said “Hey, if you don’t like what Gary J writes, then don’t read it. His name is right there in bold letters and his very distinctive face, so there’s no reason to stumble upon it accidentally. He’s not violating blog standards that I can see but if he did, I might be the first one to complain. Besides, some of us actually find him [g*a*s*p] … entertaining.”

Also, I’ve been meaning to mention that I enjoy your daily Spanish lessons. I’ve long had a latent notion of learning the language, so I study your post to see if I can figure out any of the words before hitting before translating it. I might actually be learning a thing or two. Así que realmente les ruego hoy, por favor no se detengan.

Jennielap 9:56 AM  

Got the “lie” theme pretty easily but couldn’t quite figure out where it was supposed to go, and subsequently was getting rebus answers like “lier” and “liev.” Meanwhile, Rex you are clearly as big a fan of Elvis Costello as I am but for my money the best song on Spike is “Let Him Dangle,” for all that “Veronica” was the one that got thevairplay.

Sam 10:01 AM  

Disagree with Anonymous 6:40 AM.

The theme is clever and I got a nice “Aha” moment, but the better term for TRACK SHOES is track spikes. I don’t think the constructor is unaware of this. I think (hope) the inclusion of TRACK SHOES was intended as a wink at the theme, or as a bit of misdirection (“Are three answers in this grid going to be synonyms for spikes?”). However, once I sussed out the actual theme, the unrelated allusion to track spikes just felt sloppy/unpolished.

DrBB 10:05 AM  

MEEPLE crossed with MEW/ELLIE constitutes a three-way Natick as far as I'm concerned. Like Rex I was today years old when I learned that μ is pronounced myew not moo, and neither MEEPLE nor ELLIE Goulding are remotely familiar to me. Took me a while to figure out how the pop-up rebus thing was supposed to work because those "-" puzzles often treat the intervening black square as containing the missing part of the word. But I liked how this one worked once I got it.

Acc. to Wikipedia, "meeple" is a generic term, not specific to a particular board game, and to Rex's point, seems to be simultaneously singular and plural in usage:

> A meeple is a small board-game piece, usually with a stylized human form.[1][2][3] They are usually made from wood and painted in bright colors. Meeples have been called an icon of German-style board games ("Eurogames").[4] The word is a contraction of "my people".[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeple

Kinda like Walkman or Discman, which fortunately or unfortunately vanished into obsolescence before I ever learned what their correct plural form should be. "I have three Walkmen? Walkmans?"

Whatsername 10:07 AM  

I fell into that black-square trap as well. Then the lightbulb came on at KYLIE.

pabloinnh 10:13 AM  

Thanks for the encouragement but I don't think it'll be close until "pablo" becomes clued as "Pooh's friend" or "Australian hopper".

Charlie 10:20 AM  

There once was a parson of Kew, who kept a large cat in a pew. Which he taught, every week, alphabetical Greek, but it never not further than "mu."

Ted 10:20 AM  

I think it is worth noting that this is a first time puzzle written while in high school by a current first year student at Washington University.

jae 10:27 AM  

Very tough because figuring out how the theme worked did not come easily. I won’t bore you with how many rebus combinations I tried. Let’s just say it was more than a few plus it took a careful reading of the revealer to sort this one out.

Did not know ITHACA.

Annoying, clever and ultimately entertaining, liked it. A worthy Thursday challenge.

egsforbreakfast 10:31 AM  

I don't like to be negative, so I got a pro-silence collar for our dog.

Saw a performance of the Verdi opus that's set in a surgical center. That guy really put the opera in OPERATES.

Shouldn't the singular of MEEPLE be merson?

Clever puzzle. Congrats and thanks, Rena Cohen.

Newboy 10:47 AM  

Loved the return of Thursday rebus, but missed the spike connections for way too long. Thought the blackout square between a19 &21 was the culprit so the little box that obviously centered on RELO was a true Kardashian today. Finally able to MEW “I GOT IT” and TUNE TO OFL for comic relief. Thanks Rena for an outstanding debut grid👍🏼🍾

Anon 10:52 AM  

Are we just not mentioning the weirdness of "eelier"? Also I frequently leave the skin on when making mashed potatoes.

Beezer 10:56 AM  

What @Whatsername said, amen. Hah! I always copy your Spanish (sometimes I can figure it out!) and paste it into “translator” when I get off the blog.

Beezer 10:58 AM  

I hope that RuPaul is in the puzzle so that you BOTH get credit in a day!

Beezer 11:06 AM  

Your concept is interesting and maybe it’s regional or a contemporary term, but I ran track in high school and never heard the term TRACK spikes rather than “track shoes”

JT 11:08 AM  

A little harder Thursday than usual for me. I didn't get the "spike" theme until Rex explained it; I just thought there were "hidden" lies (hidden in the black squares). Oh well, I still think it was a pretty clever puzzle. And yes, the spike under the track shoe was pretty great.

Tom F 11:13 AM  

Truly awful solving experience

Carola 11:21 AM  

A proper Thursday challenge for me,. I got the STEELIE-BELIE rebus early, but thought it was part of SUPPLIES, even though geographically (grid-wise) I didn't see how it worked. I was slowed down by not knowing names: ELLIE, CHARLIE, KYLIE, SALLIE and by my mistakes: Share A CAB and ParaGRAPH. It took quite a while before I could finally declare I GOT IT! I'm obviously not a CIA candidate, but really enjoyed this "test." Witty construction, fun to figure out.

Beezer 11:23 AM  

I thought this was a pretty clever concept with the LIE SPIKES on the POLYGRAPH test. I thought there was enough good fill like @whatsername, although we will see what @mathgent says about the “terrible threes.” Of course, I tend to be a POLYanna when it comes to puzzles because I am just so thankful that some people enjoy constructing puzzles and have some kind of smart gene I lack to do it, and do it pretty dang well. (IMHO)

Ok. I am surprised that no one so far thought of a foot actually being inside the shoe (like me) and initially put in INSTEP at 25D. I guess I just didn’t think about the shoe being “empty.” Also, had a bit of rewriting to do with 10D because I thought MAYBE NeStea made Leaf…then realized it was the Nissan LEAF…and I think the bottled tea is called Pure Leaf, plus I don’t know who makes it.

Pretty good puzzle for a first year college student! Keep them coming!



Ru Paul 11:47 AM  

Have you two considered combining your names?

M and A 12:00 PM  

Well, wow and hoLIEst of meeples, Batman!
M&A cannot tell a ..., this puz was harder than snot, at our house.

har. Otto-correct morphed meeples to maples. Makes m&e feel better, that AI AIn't heard of meeples, either.

Lost precious nanoseconds galore, in that central upper puzgrid:
* no-knows: ELLIE. MEEPLE.
* REPPED not in my standard vocab.
* Had to figure out where the rebus square LIEd.
* Had OILIER firmly splatzed in place. Like it still better than EELIER.
* SPLITACAB? I guess that's a thing, sorta like the more sane SHAREACAB. M&A had at least ruled out HIJACKACAB, due to unacceptable new extra rebus square intrusions.

staff weeject pick: LIE. And the black square it rode in on. Them {-} clues did help us locate the rest of the little rascals, I'd grant.
Primo weeject stacks, in the NE & SW, btw.

OHPOOH & PRPUSH & ANTIBARK & TRACKSHOE also did M&A's nanoseconds no favors. All debut wordses, btw. M&A prefers to call such debut material WEEPLES.

Thanx, Ms. Cohen darlin. And congratz on stumpin the socks clean offa m&e. Also, nice debut. I had fun, sufferin a little extra.

Masked & Anonymo3Us


**gruntz**

noni 12:09 PM  

A polygraph draws a wiggly line on paper which splikes when the subject lies. Supposedly.

mathgent 12:29 PM  

Twenty-three threes, way over the legal limit. But the rebus charmed me out of any criticism.

Toby the boring one 12:33 PM  

Luckily i had just been listening to Ellie Goulding so 7 Down was easy. However i’ve only just graduated to Thursday crosswords and this took me a lot longer than i wanted. Fortunately my pencil was sharper making it easier for my eraser to do its job (yes, i’m very old school)

jb129 12:40 PM  

Gotta agree with Andy Freude @ 8:28
"Not my cup of tea" either. But then I don't like rebuses. Congrats on your debut, Rena :)

Unknown 12:56 PM  

One of the benefits of majoring in a hard science is that you learn how to pronounce the Greek letters, which are all symbols for something. So, mu is fairly common as the abbreviation for "micron" or micro, and always pronounced as a diphthong (that said, realizing that it sounded like an animal sound was one of the last things I got not he puzzle). And nu is not a diphthong, letting people hilariously respond to the inquiry "What's new?" with the rakish answer, "C over lambda." (Explanation: the equation for converting between the frequency, nu, and the wavelength, lambda, of a wave traveling at the speed of light, which is "c," is c = lambda times nu).

okanaganer 1:43 PM  

Yikes!... good theme idea but really hard for me to figure out for a few reasons. One: when the SPIKE occurs at the junction of not one but two Unknown Names KYLIE and SALLIE! OMG horrible. Two: when the theme acrosses are missing the letters LIE but the others are only missing IE. What exactly is the logic in that? Yikes again! Three: that EELIER continues past the missing letters!!? A bit mean, Rena.

As for Elvis C, I am a big fan but not of that particular song as it is such a pretty little tune with a nasty message. Veronica, which was about his grandma, was great.

Beezer 1:57 PM  

I forgot to comment on one thing Rex mentioned in his post which referred to SPLITACAB as being…well, kind of ridiculous given the options of bus, subway, train, etc. I think if you actually live INSIDE a very large urban area that is “relatively” close to your work, it’s not necessarily that “bougie” (as the young folks say). Most of the rest of the country that do NOT have good mass transit spend a LOT of money driving to a downtown location and spending money to park there (quite often companies located in downtown office buildings can offer “discounts” or a subsidy on monthly parking, but I’d say sharing a cab to get from one place in Manhattan to another would be roughly equivalent to the cost of parking every day. For those folks that live AND work in these smaller city areas, the trend is to walk or bike to work (my downtown area is a mile square give or take). Just sayin’…I can see situations where splitting cab fare wouldn’t be perceived (by me) to be beyond the pale.

Anonymous 2:18 PM  

Absolutely impressive!

Eniale 2:20 PM  

I was so thrilled when I got LIE as a rebus, Yay-me says I, I'm improving. But also got SPIKEd by POLYGRAPH instead of Lie Detector and went rapidly downhill from there.

jberg 2:37 PM  

Nancy, the rebus has to go up to make the SPIKE (52-A).

jberg 2:53 PM  

I did the puzzle late, as I spent the earlier part of the morning writing postcards to voters, didn't get to the puzzle until 1 PM. So I read everyone before posting this.

I bombed on this one, just couldn't figure out the North-center, even after I looked up ELLIE. The theme was pretty complicated -- you had to work out the rebus squares, the dashes (21-A came first to me, and I originally wrote in "N-DASH"), and the non-words that constituted the end parts of two of the theme answers. I finally got all that, but I was too sure of share A CAB to even consider alternatives. I even tried changing EELIER to oiLIER, but nope. And in real-estate lingo, if you move a house you sell it. RELO is legitimate, but not spot on.

I'm proud of myself for guessing the unknown Kardashian, though.

The most embarrassing part, though, was working through all the Greek letters but somehow forgetting mu--which, by the way, works as an animal cry no matter how you pronounce it.

Richardf8 3:24 PM  

Meeple was the cause of my DNF. I mean, seriously?

Anonymous 3:32 PM  

Too many names, trivia today.
Finally JFGI for Goulding, saw it didn't fit & lo & behold the lie rebus. Solve went alright after that with a few enjoyable ahas!

Gary Jugert 3:50 PM  

@Beezer & @Whatsername
Y'all are sweet. Of all the smarmy things I write, taking offense at a throw-away line of Google-translated Spanish seems like a weird place to draw the line, but sometimes when you're lurking anonymously behind a modem after so many years of "earning seniority" on a random blog, you can snap, go over to a charcuterie board, retrieve a little plastic sword, and go stab somebody epee-style in their self-esteem. Of course I'm married to an Italian who wields hurtful words like a black ninja's katana, so yesterday's just an olive-sized flesh wound. I'm having fun with those little phrases to see if I can recognize some of the words and grammatical constructions.

ghostoflectricity 5:02 PM  

Native Texan here (long since moved away; I'm a Chicagoan now). I grew up in Dallas, where the Texas-OT game (that is, Longhorns, from UT Austin, vs. Sooners, from Oklahoma U., which is in Norman) is played every autumn (Dallas being approximately halfway between the two universities' cities) at the Cotton Bowl in Fair Park in downtown Dallas (former home of the Cowboys, who now actually play in the Dallas suburb of Irving in spite of being called the "Dallas" Cowboys; Fair Park is also the home every autumn of the Texas State Fair). Weary Dallasites who did not enjoy the spectacle of drunken fans of the two teams converging on the city for Texas-OU weekend frequently got out of town if they could. My point is that the Longhorns' main athletic rivals have traditionally been the Sooners, not the Aggies of Texas A & M. So that clue was silly, on top of the fact that, as Rex noted, an "aggie" is ALSO a type of playing marble, like a steelie. Ah, childhood memories. On the whole, very glad to be in Chicago.

Giz 5:30 PM  

Thanks to Rex, I now know how to pronounce Steely (Steelie‽) Dan's favorite musical device, which they call the Mu chord: a major triad in 2nd inversion with the 4th in the bass. My cat is partial to that sound! For bonus points and risque fun, look up the derivation for Steely Dan.

Anonymous 6:20 PM  

I’m pretty sure the Cowboys don’t play in Irving anymore. It’s Arlington now.

LewS 7:30 PM  


@Giz. You’re close … 2nd inversion means 3rd in the bass, a Mu chord (often in plain old root position) simply adds a 2nd or 9th somewhere
http://www.hakwright.co.uk/steelydan/mu-major.html

Giz 8:39 PM  

With all due respect, 2nd inversion is spelled, low to high, 5th-root-3rd. Put the 4th in the bass, and you have the Mu chord. F-G-C-E. I stand by my post.

Anonymous 1:37 AM  

Well, I scored a win, but still didn’t get the theme. I got the concept, but I expected the words would form a literal up and down “spike” using letters not a rebus. So, all I had entered in the rebus squares were “L”s, and voila! “Congratulations!”

So I just shrugged and took the win,

Now I see what was supposed to have been. I’d feel robbed, but I didn’t enjoy the puzzle enough to feel robbed.

LewS 8:56 AM  

My bad. 2nd inv. Is 5th in the bass (think before posting, Lew) … but putting the 4th in the bass changes the whole analysis.

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