Voicer of Olaf in "Frozen" / SUN 3-17-24 / Colonized, as bees might / Music genre that emphasizes the offbeat / Comedian Jimmy with a self-described "schnozzola" / Literary friend of Sam, Merry and Pippin / Insurance company whose name contains a diphthong / Seller of over a billion Huggable Hangers on TV / Fictional archaeologist with a whip, familiarly
Sunday, March 17, 2024
Constructor: Simeon Seigel
Relative difficulty: Medium (never saw the gimmick, so I don't know what was supposed to happen)
Theme answers:
- OLD FAITHFUL (2D: Attraction in 69-Across that's part of America's first national park)
- NIAGARA FALLS (28A: Attraction in 69-Across that once froze over for 30 hours in 1848)
- LADY LIBERTY (37A: Attraction in 69-Across that withstands dozens of lightning strikes a year, familiarly)
- CRATER LAKE (4D: Attraction in 69-Across that's almost 2,000 feet deep)
- FOUR CORNERS (104A: Attraction in 69-Across overseen by the Navajo Nation)
- EVERGLADES (80D: Attraction in 69-Across where crocodiles and alligators uniquely coexist)
- EPCOT CENTER (73D: Attraction in 69-Across designed to be a "city of the future")
- AREA FIFTY-ONE (116A: Attraction in 69-Across on the Extraterrestrial Highway)
Theme answers:
- 70D: Division for a tennis match (NET or SET)
- 56D: Word before fly (HORSE or HOUSE)
- 59D: "No," in a certain dialect (NAE or NAW)
- 66D: Touch gently (PAT or PET)
noun,plural of·fer·to·ries.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the offering of the unconsecrated elements that is made to God by the celebrant in a Eucharistic service.
Ecclesiastical.
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The fill was awkward and gangly, starting with that MADEA / BAATH cross and extending out from there. TEENER!? (85A: Typical sock hopper). Come on. Please, please, come on. How in the world do you use this? Also, how in the world do you use "sock hopper"? What even are you doing? Further: HIVED?! (126A: Colonized, as bees might). LOL, what? Esoteric apicultural terminology? Wow. IRAIL (!?!?!). Is that Apple's railway system? Did you know IRAIL didn't appear for fourteen years between 1997 and 2011? We call those "The Good Years." But back to the puzzle. We've got the O'LEARYS as ... a couple?? It's Mrs. O'LEARY'S cow. O’LEARY’S, singular possessive. Since when did we start giving Mr. O'Leary a credit? Is "short hedge" a business term? I've heard of "hedge funds" and "hedging bets" and "short-selling," but not "short hedge," so I didn't get the wordplay, and it took some time to figure out that (answerwise) the "short" meant "abbr." and the "hedge" meant "qualification" (OTOH, "on the other hand"). There's something superawkward about the parenthetical "on" in 91A: Deliberated (on) (TOOK TIME). I don't know that I'd use "on" with either phrase. Anyway, they don't seem exactly equivalent, or rather TOOK TIME seems very general, whereas [Deliberated] feels specific (i.e. "Deliberated" = TOOK TIME ... doing a very specific thing). OXO is a kitchenware brand (or a short-lived pop act from the '80s who I saw open for Hall & Oates in '83). [Tic-tac-toe loser] is never, I repeat never, ever a welcome clue, but it's especially unwelcome when the answer could've been clued as something real. The idea that you would steer *into* the [Tic-tac-toe loser] clue ... baffling.
Notes:
- 114D: Insurance company whose name contains a diphthong (AETNA) — wow, this is *not* the meaning of diphthong that I know. Primary definition of diphthong is “a sound formed by the combination of two vowels in a single syllable, in which the sound begins as one vowel and moves toward another (as in coin, loud, and side )" (google / Oxford Languages). Obviously AETNA does not fit that definition. But definition 3. is "a compound vowel character; a ligature (such as æ )." So there you go. And yet ... since you don't / can't enter Æ in the grid as a "compound vowel character," I dunno, man ... Hmmm, looks like definition 2. is "a digraph representing the sound of a diphthong or single vowel (as in feat)," and since a "digraph" is a "combination of two letters representing one sound, as in ph and ey," maybe *that* is how this clue "works." Seems like the clue could've gone a clearer / more interesting route.
- 102D: Seller of over a billion Huggable Hangers on TV (HSN) — Home Shopping Network. I categorically refuse to look up what "Huggable Hangers" are.
- 46A: Either end of America? (SCHWA) — a "letteral" clue, where the answer is a letter in the clue itself, in this case, the "a" on either end of "America." Was surprised, the last time SCHWA appeared in the grid, how many people seemed never to have heard of it. I learned it in elementary school. It's basically an unstressed "uh" sound, represented by an upside-down "e" (that is, "ə").
- 11D: Person living in London (ONTARIAN) — I once drove from Ann Arbor to Hamilton, Ontario to speak at a conference at McMaster University. I remember driving past London, Ontario on the way. That is my London, Ontario story.
- 111A: Noted name in 2005 news (KATRINA) — yeah, maybe don't get cutesy with a disaster of this magnitude. Everyone goes looking for the name of a person, but ha ha, joke's on you, it's a lethal hurricane, sucker! There are other KATRINAs, is what I'm saying.
- 105D: Profitability metric, for short (ROI)— "Return on investment." Give me the French king any day. Vive le ROI!
- 60A: General meeting place (WAR ROOM) — i.e. a meeting place for (military) generals
- 98A: Caribbean music genre (SOCA) — neither my wife nor I had heard of this. Her: "They already have SKA? (50A: Music genre that emphasizes the offbeat). Did they really need another Caribbean music genre in this puzzle?" Me: "Oh my god ... are SOCA and SKA related? They sound the same. I mean, take out the 'O' and you've basically got SKA and ... SCA..." Relatedly, we've both been drinking (Mezcalettis! So good!). Turns out SOCA has nothing to do with SKA. SOCA seems to be a kind of portmanteau, from "the Soul of Calypso," and it originated in Trinidad and Tobago.
- 53D: Small role for Paul Rudd (ANT MAN) — Rudd has the starring role, but "Small" here refers to the fact that ANT MAN is ant-sized, i.e. literally tiny.
Hey, you wanna do some good puzzles? A lot of good puzzles? One of which I guest-edited? And support abortion rights in the bargain? Yes, yes you do. Or you should. The point is: These Puzzles Fund Abortion 4 (four!) just dropped this past week—over 20 original puzzles from top constructors and editors—and you can get the collection now (right now) for a minimum donation of $20 (donations split evenly among five different abortion funds—details here). You can check out a detailed description of the collection and a list of all the talent involved here. I not only guest-edited a puzzle, I also test-solved puzzles. I have now seen the finished collection, and it's really lovely, across the board. General editors Rachel Fabi and Brooke Husic and C.L. Rimkus put in a tremendous amount of work ensuring that it would be. The attention to detail—test-solving, fact-checking, etc.—was really impressive. Anyway, donate generously (assuming you are able) and enjoy the puzzle bounty! I think I'll do a separate short post about my guest-editing experience later this week, and link to it next week, so look for that as well. That's all. Take care, everyone. See you next time.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
P.S. Just found an envelope that's been sitting on my desk for a while. It was empty so I couldn't figure out why I had it or what had been in it. It's from a reader, postmarked Reno, and it probably contained a postcard and a nice note, but the return address is partially effaced ... so if your last name is ... looks like "Brenner" maybe, and you live on "-enton Trail" in Reno, now you know why I never wrote you back. Sorry. The USPS has certain mauling tendencies that make snail mail ... an adventure (it's part of the charm!)
P.P.S. it's early Sunday morning now and someone has already sent me a picture of their SOCA cassette! As someone newly into cassettes, I am fascinated / jealous!
Bro Resistance! I need to hear Bro Resistance! OMG I just found him on a compilation of kaiso music. There's your next [Caribbean music genre], constructors: KAISO! Don't say I never gave you anything. Anyway, here is the lead track on this SOCA cassette: "Afrika Is Burning" by Safi Abdullah:
Aha, and here's that Bro Resistance track: "Ring De Bell." [The Internet, really coming through for me today!]
175 comments:
I was far more impressed than Rex by the diabolically clever construction of this puzzle, where the revealer could be read as SOUTHWEST, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST AND NORTHEAST in reference to the various national sites. I'd love nothing better than to finally be able to award a Sunday puzzle five stars, but alas, the fatal natick strikes again: HSN/PHIR. My best guess was PaIR, since two of them had the same name. Fie on naticks, PHIe!
I'd consider this one more of an easy/medium. Like you, I didn't see the letters that could make up the theme and just entered the letters that felt best to me, so I ended up with NORTHEAST. I felt most of the clues were fair with only a couple exceptions and solved the puzzle a few minutes faster than my average.
It seems Joel is starting to get better at editing. Hopefully more days like this and fewer like Friday's fiasco.
Easy, pretty breezy. I got OLD FAITHFUL very early and immediately tried Yellowstone for 69a which of course didn’t fit. The NYT Games app on my iPad gave me the happy music with THE SOUTHWEST filled in at 69a, so I just assumed that was the correct answer but I had no idea why. Then I read Amy’s Crossword Fiend write up and found out it was a Schrödinger puzzle with appropriate theme answer locations.
I thought this was an impressive feat of construction and liked it quite a bit more than @Rex did, but he is right about the “trick” having little to do with solving the puzzle.
I also had no idea what SOCA is but it’s just an L short of being short for where I live.
I appreciated the omission of anything Irish or to do with St. Patrick’s Day at all. It will no doubt leave many a 6am pub denizen crying into their green beer, and to me that takes guts. Bravo.
Solving in the. NYT Games app on iPhone: I just entered SOUTHEAST based on the crosses; never noticed the alternate options for the various downs. Got the usual “Congratulations!” screen. I assume the app will accept any of the 4 answers for 69A — that’s typically how the app handles gimmicks like this one.
Cute moment when I figured out the bit. I think it’s clever. Dropped in NORTHEAST like a real homer.
Didn’t enjoy OFFERTORY though.
I filled the puzzle with THENORTEAST in the revealer and got the congrats. The puzzle then automatically showed all the alternate letters. The only on one I had changed was SET to NET. It's safe to say that the constructor finds this theme far more interesting than I do.
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This one had me flummoxed until I got through the theme revealer. After getting Epcot center, all other theme answer felt like they should be Disney related. All the theme answers fell quickly after that (except Lady Liberty).
As for fill, I’ve never heard of SOCA, and TEENER went way over my head. I’ve never heard of ego surfing but the rest of the crosses helped there.
I also had LOO instead of LAV, and that tripe’s me up for a minute.
OK. Now I get it. App did not allow alternate letters showing for North/South East/West. Note: edited by Joel Fagliano. Is this a first for Sunday?
I had not realized that the theme places were located in appropriate pas of the grid That makes it a bit better Before I just thought it ridiculous to refer to Northeast/west and southeast/west as tho it were one place. Granted that made it a bit trickier as, at first, having seen Old Faithful, I was trying to think what trees or mountain tops in Yellowstone could get hit by lightning, etc And I couldn't understand why Yellowstone did not fill the spaces at 69 across.
Was amused by the dude answers for the four Doen clues, but noting much else.
Agree with raised eyebrows at "teener" "hived" and the O'Learys couple. Also question "sled" for be on the decline.
Oh come on. This was a great puzzle. Very creative, very clever. Unique. Elegant. You are way too harsh.
I have to say, in this case if you DO see the gimmick it's extremely satisfying. I was frustrated because NIAGARA FALLS clearly isn't in the south west. Then I noticed that the attractions next to each other were in the part of the crossword where they would be on the map. And finally I figured out that they covered all four corners so the middle had to be ambiguous.
It would be frustrating if I'd missed it, but getting it mid-solve felt great.
I thought the reveal was great. Sorry you disliked this so intensely.
Yes Rex, like you I had SOUTHEAST and was baffled. But I didn't get the Happy Pencil because I had other problems: the JOSH GAD / DISC / SOCA train wreck. I never heard of Josh or Soca, and I couldn't see DISC because had ---C and thought it must be an adjective, similar to OTIC.
Anyway, good news is I've been to many of the theme locations. Even the TETON range which wasn't a themer but could have been.
Interesting trivia: BISTRO in Russian means "quick". Some websites suggest that's where the term originated, when France invaded Russia in 1812.
[Spelling Bee: Sat 0; QB 2 days. Woohoo!]
Got the north/south east/west gimmick pretty easily once I realized they didn't all fit in the southeast. Some annoying crosses regarding names but still a pretty easy puzzle.
Whoa easy on the mezcalettis there- Honestly it was fine, I saw the multiple-solution gimmick during the solve and was generally pleased. If you weren't pretty hard on puzzles normally I'd say you were a mean drunk but I guess this wasn't the harshest review I've seen here. Just not entirely warranted in this case. Accentuate the positive. Nobody says on their deathbed 'man I should have dragged all those unworthy constructors and editors more'
I myself prefer Mezcal Negroni. Genius combination.
There hasn’t been an “Epcot Center” for thirty years. It’s just “Epcot.”
I had exactly the same solving experience. Finished with southeast and was stumped. The aha I received upon checking was underwhelming to say the least.
So, when the NYT iPhone app told me I had it right, but I had THESOUTHWEST. I went back and looked again and saw the answers could worry for any region. But there was nothing the app did to point out, which I think is a missed opportunity.
Also "SOUTHEAST". Waited for another revealer to explain it that didn't come.. but thankfully the NYT app accepted my solution.
Solved on the website with SOUTHEAST and got the completion star. Absolutely stunned, not just because the revealer seemed unclear as I had it entered, but I was sure that one or both of SCHWA or SOCA were incorrect.
Love love love OFL's comment, "There is no shrug I could possibly shrug that could embody how much shrugginess I felt about this revelation." I mostly agree.
I went with SET for the tennis division (70D), which forced HOUSE for the fly (56D) and I went with NAW at 59D, which in turn forced PET at 66D. So I flew SOUTHWEST.
I did have one overwrite, riffS before SCATS for the jazz at 39D, and SOCA was a WOE.
I had OTO- at 9A and couldn't reconcile any final letter with the clue. So I left the square blank until the end, when I decided that HEAR made the most sense for "Consider" at 12D. Slapped that in and ... no joy. Tried every other letter that made -EAR a word, no joy there either. Then I tried making rebodes out of the "choice" letters in 69A. Still no happy music. Finally I settled on OTOH and went looking for typos. And found one. Happy music. Happy to be done with the puzzle.
I hope @LMS is out there enjoying SCHWA's moment.
Times app accepted any correct version, no problem, though one might finish without noticing the Schrodingerhood. I caught it early on while puzzling over the meaning of the central clue and found puzzle quite clever.
BTW ONTARIAN and the alluded to San ANTONIO are also very roughly geographically placed.
Got LADY LIBERTY and NIAGARA FALLS and put in NORTHEAST, but then got OLD FAITHFUL and put in rebus squares for the N and R. Then got FOUR CORNERS, realized what was going on and put in rebus squares for E and A and finished the puzzle. I liked it better than @Rex; while the revealer wasn't helpful in solving, it was pretty cool that the attractions were in the correct quadrant of the grid, and the answers were definitely "all over the map". Completely agree on TEENER--that's at least the third non-word this week (MERER and one other I can't remember). But overall I enjoyed it.
Me thinks thou doth protest (way) too much. This was clever! The fact that the attractions were placed in the puzzle consistent with the map was excellent and should have let you know that southeast was not the answer. It took me a bit to get there but I think OFL is not being fair on this one. Well done constructors.
Once I figured out that all these places were in different regions of the US, I entered the four variable letters as Rebuses, thusly: THE N/S O R/U TH E/W Α/Ε ST. I thought this was one of the cleverest Sundays I’ve seen in a long, long time. Impressive enough to forgive a few clunkers such as TEENER and HIVED.
I liked. Caught the potential for the trick pretty early, after realizing that OLDFAITHFUL wasn’t in THESOUTHEAST. Switched it to NORTHWEST and when “spaceneedle” went into the LADYLIBERTY slot I was on my way, or so I thought. I entered the 4 squares as rebuses (rebi?) and the NYT app accepted them.
I never got the gimmick, and had SOUTHWEST, though did notice that it could have been SOUTHEAST (which should have tipped me off!). I decided that maybe each of these attractions is in the southwest corner of some unit of geography (e.g., city, state, country). This led to some amusing conversations with my husband (“Is the Statue of Liberty in the SW portion of NYC?” and “They must be referring to the Canadian side” for Niagara Falls). P.S. I also object to TEENER.
Wow, just wow. I had THENORTHWEST but had no idea any of the four corners would work (I actually had THENORTHFACE when we solved OLDFAITHFUL... didn't seem quite right at the time and held us up for a little while). Makes this construction all the more impressive. But, I do think this is one puzzle where circled squares might've tipped us off more readily and brought more appreciation at the time of the solve.
I noticed the change of editor, too. Didn't help with the PPP crosses: MADEA/BAATH, SISTA/ASANA, etc. Agree TEENER was a problem. Appreciated the play on words / double meaning for "kindergarten drawers." I smiled at getting OFFERTORY; I haven't heard that word in a long, long time (because I haven't been to Mass in a long, long time!).
Anyway, I agree with others that this was a very creative and fun puzzle. Thanks, Simeon!
It’s PHIL and ALT.
This would have killed if the reveal somehow let on that there were multiple locations that could be entered in quasi-rebus form. The fact that the app accepts partial (and thus incomplete/incorrect) answers is a bit of a tragic flaw. It’s a shame, but I would prefer that you somehow let the solvers in on the twist - yes, there are probably 10-20% of us (myself not included) who are astute enough at spotting crossword gimmicks that will enjoy the “aha moment”, but that still leaves the other 80% of us getting happy music with an incorrect grid.
A good effort to try and make it work, but I feel as though it came up just short from a solver’s perspective. Even changing “Locale” to “Locales” in the clue for 69A may have helped a bit.
I solved on the website as usual and had no problems with the revealer. I also ended up with southeast and was mighty confused for a few minutes about the theme answers that weren't in the southeast, until I figured out mid-puzzle that there were four possible ways to fill the revealer in. Methinks the NYT is not overly concerning itself with the experience for anyone who insists on not using their app or website to solve. So, the gimmick worked great for me. Fill was dicey, but what's new there?
Bill Murray in Groundhog Day was PHIL, not Phir. And ALT-rock, etc.
Ditto. Loved the puzzle. Got flummoxed by Grand Canyon which fit so perfectly in Southwest, and Tina which was automatic, but also wrong, at top right.
I think I might be the first commenter who got NORTHWEST.
Couldn’t disagree more with Rex. This was one of the best Aha! moments I’ve ever had. I got OLD FAITHFUL quickly, and like others, wondered why Yellowstone didn’t fit. Then when I got CRATER LAKE, I tried to make some version of US National Parks work. Got a couple more and then THE NORTHWEST (changing SET to NET, not realizing both would work). I thought NIAGARA FALLS could maybe work because it’s northwest New York, but that seemed weak to me. (Didn’t get LADY LIBERTY until later.) Then I got THE EVERGLADES, and that’s not in Northwest anything, so I was really confused. After getting all of them, I noticed they were geographically placed right but still didn’t see how they are all in the NORTHWEST. Then I remembered my tennis change and saw that I had waited to put in the vowel in P-T because either could work. I tried each of the four regions and checked the crosses and I was gobsmacked. The opposite of shruggiest shruggery ever shrugged. Brilliant
I did have a DNF in the midst of all that because I thought a good general meeting place would be a bARROOM. I’m a cocktail lover, not a fighter. BREb was obviously wrong but I said I would come back to it and when I got the “nearly there” message, I went back and saw the “general” wordplay.
As I’ve noted before I am a geography nerd so I adored this, even aside from its cleverness. Oddly, the only ones I’ve actually seen are OLD FAITHFUL, THE EVERGLADES and LADY LIBERTY. I am going to CRATER LAKE in June. I do kind of want to see AREA FIFTY-ONE for its kitschiness, but I have zero interest in the FOUR CORNERS - long way to go just to say you’ve been in four states at once, and I’ve read that it’s not even the real place where they meet. I will get to NIAGARA FALLS someday. EPCOT CENTER … maybe.
I went the SOUTHEAST route - took me some time after finishing to grok the quantum layer. Nuanced no doubt - but really brings nothing to the solve. Other than Disney - all the sites are fun and well known. Love CRATER LAKE and FOUR CORNERS.
Beat on the BRAT
Liked WAR ROOM and LIONS SHARE. Plenty of short glue all over - but the theme is thick and restrictive to the grid. Backed into JOSH GAD. @Pablo - not uniquer today but SLIER.
I applaud the effort and the chops to build this - just not sure the solving enjoyment is there.
KATRINA
Getting mail already this morning from dead-tree newspaper solvers who had my exact experience: SOUTHEAST and … no idea. I’m sober this morning and appreciate the construction slightly more, but still think the execution is poor—you need that letter-shift gimmick to *snap* into view, and for lots of solvers that’s just not happening ~RP
Don’t want to be an ITOLDYASO but - nah, that doesn’t work.
ITOLDYA is acceptable (still weak) but it’s ITOLDYOUSO.
MYB? Do we REALLY need to shorten My Bad? We’ve already gone from Okay to OK to K. Why are these TEENERs in such a hurry? TO REOPEN the local stores they TORE OPEN protesting.
KK, don’t OK Boomer me - I know I’m a Geezer. Why don’t they shorten this ageist slur to K BOOM and make it sound like a Wile E. Coyote sound effect? Give us some old-timey respect!
(Since I now automatically turn ON Autocheck, saved myself many minutes of the frustration that Rex had trying to find his non-existent errors. Downside is no streak - but mine was so full of cheats, a Pyrrhic victory of mass self delusion anyway. And for some reason, it didn’t flash the multiple options for 69A answer - so thought THESOUTHEAST just showed our new pal Joel’s geography sense was as bad as his twisted cluing!)
I entered 69a as a rebus and got the happy music. Does anyone else enter an answer and think, "Oh, Rex is going to hare this clue!"?
Have a great day, all
A brilliant puzzle, albeit on the easy side. For the theme concept, this goes on the possible PoY (nay, PoD) list.
Just having the quadruple-Schroedinger squares alone would have been great. Having all the attractions in the appropriate quadrant of the grid takes it a level higher.
Trinidad and Tobago’s national soccer team are the SOCA Warriors, which is how I knew that one.
I had NORTHEAST, and I'm starting to think those of us that missed the trick went with where we live. I'm happy to hear that the app accepted a partial, as it turns out, as correct, because so did I. One of those nice whooshy puzzles where the whoosh was the sound of the gimmick going over my head. Hats off to all you folks who got it. I'm blaming my not examining all the possibilities on the fact that we're in a hurry to get to the local pub to hear a great Irish band.
Todays old friend is ERN(s). Welcome back. And hello SOCA and JOSHGAD. whoever you are.
Always like seeing diphthong, even if it's in a clue. I used to tell my Spanish students that it made a wonderful name to call someone--Cut it out, you diphthong!. Even works in Spanish--No hagas eso, diptongo!
Very impressive construction, SS. Shoulda Seen what was going on, but that's on me. Thanks for all the fun.
I did not get the enjoyment out of this puzzle that a good Sunday usually provides. I did appreciate that the alternate crosses always worked with alternate downs. That was pretty slick and I have to admit it but not much of a payoff. Too many 3 letter answers to make the themes work made it very choppy. I really do not like made up words like TEENER. Have never seen it nor have I ever heard any one say it. Ever. I guess DOTTY is a thing but BOLTS down ??? I say NAE/NAW.
For those that didn’t catch on, is this a speed solving thing? Each of the 8 locations specifically says it’s in the 69A, and 69A says they’re all there. So do you ignore parts of the clue, or just look at OLDFAITHFUL (for example), see THESOUTHEAST, and just go, “nah, the constructor and editor made mistakes”? Everything references back to each other, so it seemed like there was enough there for the “aha”. Or maybe I’m too literal and cross check the clues when they tell me to?
I was struggling so much with the “person living in London” clue, trying to think of every possible word of British slang that I’ve ever come across. I eventually got it with a couple of crosses, but it took way too long considering I LIVE IN LONDON ONTARIO.
Well I’m glad I’m in such good company. I had no idea that there was a rebus situation and also had THE SOUTHEAST. And could not for the life of me figure out how that worked for all the attractions.
Anyway, going to check out the puzzles you recommended. Love Brooke Husic and looking forward to getting to know the others. Thank you!
Phil…like Punxsatawney Phil, as in the groundhog of Groundhog Day as well as Bill Murray in Groundhog Day
Finished it fast. Never figured out the theme totally. And I’m not going back to look at it.
Assumed is was referring to the NORTHWEST hemisphere - which is also correct - and thinking "What a lame and condescending gimmick: assuming we would be parochial and think only of the US instead of globally."
The lameness of that should have tipped me off that there was more to this. But, with a lamely correct answer already in place, the puzzle made no compelling case to look deeper.
Agree with many of the commenters here and disagree with Rex - for me, there absolutely was a solver payoff. I had SOUTHEAST and knew I was missing something when I confidently had NIAGARAFALLS and LADYLIBERTY - two attractions definitely not in the southeast. Once I looked closer at the revealer clues, it hit me that any of SOUTHEAST, NORTHWEST, etc. would have fit! And that directly helped with me getting FOURCORNERS and AREAFIFTYONE, as now I knew I should be looking for southwest locales in that area of the grid.
Fill was super clunky, agreed there. But one of my favorite revealer themes in a long time!
Seems like it came down to whether you picked up on the trickiness of the revealer during the solve. If you did, it was more enjoyable than Rex found it. At least it was for me. I wondered how Yellowstone would fit, then looked for some variation of National Park System. When I reached the midpoint, I had the first four revealers and enough crosses to see NORTH, so tried to make Northern US work, but then got the EAST/WEST trick, and a little later figure out SOUTH worked in the reveal too. With all of the attractions placed in their appropriate geographic locations, I thought the theme worked brilliantly.
The fill was weak. TEENER is especially bad. I’m a fan of a local steel-drum band named SOCA Jukebox, so it was fun to see that.
I'm not sure why the revealer was so hard to figure out. The Everglades are not in the same part of the country as the Statue of Liberty, or Crater Lake or Area 51 so I immediately understood that the section of the country was going to be a rebus/hyphen thing. I thought it was very clever. Some of the fill on the other hand was hard for me. BOLTS down? IRAIL? Ended up with a DNF but not because of the revealer.
Hey All !
Neat SunPuz! A Schrodinger Puz! It needed to have animation, though, when you finished the puz. The letters changing in sequence to represent NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST. C'mon NYT! Like the infamous CLINTON/BOBDOLE one.
Anyone notice the puz is 22 Wide? That's so you can get your even numbered 12 in the center spot.
We definitely need an @LMS comment on this puz. What a beaut. She would've pointed out how difficult it is to have Eight Themers(!), each one only one row away from the other, each one corresponding to the area of the US where they are physically, having both Across and Down Themers, which are essentially locked in place by word length and location, and ending up with light dreck and some great entries. I don't have the panache to describe it as well as she would. Let's just say this was impressive. And then throw in the Schrodinger aspect.
Wondering how long it took Simeon for this puz to gel. Wondering if he still has hair. Har
So a cool SunPuz that was fun to uncover.
My holdup was NORTH Center and NORTHEAST (which is what I had in for the Revealer. I did see the trick! I had said, "Hey, SET and NET work, oh look! HOUSE and HORSE work! Aha! It's NW, NE, SW, SE! Nice!"). I was stuck in those spots. Finally got the ole brain to play nice and figured everything out. Then heard the Happy Music!
Still want some animation...
Happy Sunday!
Seven F's (that ERNS praise!)
RooMonster
DarrinV
Maybe the revealer could be further tweaked to make the alternatives clearer? Too boring without seeing this.
I had southeast and I assumed the gimmick was that even though the locations were all over, they were all in the southeast *of their respective states*(/territory in Niagara Falls case). This is of course not actually true but it was close to being true and I didn’t actually care enough to actually look it up.
It was me ... don't worry … I send snail mail and use ellipses excessively.
I got a “Congratulations” after typing NORTHEAST without rebuses. I would have been very upset if this hadn’t been accepted! But doesn’t anyone else have a problem with “swipe right”?! I get that it’s trying to be clever, but taking something and paying for it isn’t swiping at all — it’s not a “right” way to swipe.
I loved every minute of this one. Tough to get started, but things fell as they do, and the silly cluing voice resonated from top to bottom. So many weird not-quite-right things mixed with so many hilarious moments and plenty of things I will need to go research now.
The app accepted THE SOUTHWEST and closed me out so I never saw the final two-letter gimmick making this puzzle even better. I wish they'd have programmed a little arty switcheroo to reveal it.
Uniclues:
1 Theme of many a crossword according to detractors.
2 Cool girl who grew up in Roswell before getting married.
3 Product of the unsupervised ice cream machine at the back of Jason's Deli.
4 Hole went down a rabbit hole digitally.
5 Prep Wyoming preachers for getting high.
6 Never-ending Friday night true crime episodes.
1 TRAGIC FOUR CORNERS (~)
2 NEE AREA FIFTY ONE SISTA (~)
3 OLD FAITHFUL SELF SERVE
4 CRATER LAKE EGO SURFED
5 GIRD TETON PRIESTS
6 EVERGLADES OFFERTORY (~)
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Honoree of the ode: "He was strong, a team player, and oh so brave / descended from kings the handsome sweet knave / until Phyllis in 3B sent him to his grave / by stepping on him with a slipper in our laundry room enclave." PHAROAH ANT DAVE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Northwest seems most correct. USA is in the northern and western hemispheres
I figured out the gimmick half-way through. And it reminded me of perhaps the most famous NYT puzzle of all time: the one that predicted that CLINTON and BOB DOLE would win the election.
This was a very enjoyable puzzle for most folks.
Thanks for that additional correction I hadn't noticed. Instead of "ALT" I satisfied myself with ArT, as in "op art,", "pop art", etc. - and being lost on the connected PPP it never occurred to me to question that reasonable guess..
I wrote a long and endlessly fascinating comment, hit the wrong button when I tried to copy it and now it's gone. I'm much too lazy to try to reproduce it. Apologies, everyone.
Have to disagree with Rex on this one. I didn't "get" it either, but that was my bad. I had Northeast, and I knew it was wrong because... Epcot. So I was on notice of some gimmick, as were we all.
This started out as a HOT MAGENTA mess for me - so many areas I couldn't penetrate using the random solving method I use. I don't know why my first finish showed the solution THE SOUTHEAST as wrong at the S and U since it seems like the theme is to allow for all four directions to work with the clue. Oh well, instead I'll bemoan my real error, which was having dinars being spent in IRAn and SHAn being a unknown sports arena in my mind. SHAQ, jeez.
I guess it's been a while since I've been in church for the OFFERTORY as I first put down OFFERings which mucked up a few of my other entries.
I'm glad Stephen Hawking was able to see life as funny as he had plenty of reason to find it TRAGIC.
Altogether, I found this to be a fun puzzle so thank you, Simon Seigel!
Best comment of the day, LOL. I read it (dramatically) out loud to my wife (she’s currently driving) and she *cackled* —thanks! ~RP
A: "It seems like SHAQ played a long time. Shall we call it the SHAQ Era?"
B: "No, eon would be a better term than era."
A: "Okay, let's call it a deal and SHAKEON SHAQ Eon."
As to 92A (Curt reprimand to a dog), judging by 47A (MYB), the truly curt answer should be "B". This carries over nicely into 103A (Little rascals) where the answer (BRATS) might be short for the equally applicable BadRATS.
I finished this pretty quickly and closed the app. Then I realized I hadn't figured out the theme, so I had TOREOPEN it. Personally, I thought this puzzle one-upped Samuel Johnson's dog walking on its hind legs. Not only is it a wonder that it is done at all, but it is also done well. I bow to you, Simeon Seigel, for even thinking of this quad-Schrödinger theme and then executing it very well indeed.
I hate gimmicks. And I *really* hated this gimmick, compounded as it was by factual and linguistic mistakes galore. And a Natick or three....
I stopped reading the comments at a certain point, so I beg your pardon if I'm not adding anything new here to the discourse on this puzzle. I did not get the conceit (a nicer word than gimmick) regarding the revealer, and I own that failure, as the constructor stated emphatically in the clue for 69A, "really, all eight of them!" So it was incumbent upon me (upon all of us solvers) to figure out how that was true. The fact that I did not—for lack of a better word—"bother" to do that is on me, not on the constructor. Thanks to the never quite clear vision provided by my lens implants, when I got to this blog on my phone a while ago, I saw there were rebuses in the revealer, but I could not read what they were! So I thought, okay, Mikey Boy, do not look any further at this blog post, but rather go back and see what's up with that revealer. And then I got it, and it was good. And I was humbled. You might even say I was taught a lesson about not simply dismissing information the application of which I do not immediately understand. I was struck by the fact that two of the four rebuses had in fact occurred to me—that is, I thought SET at 70D but decided to go with NET; I thought PET at 66D but decided to to with PAT. Both of these choices were because I had already decided the revealer was NORTHEAST, despite what the clue at 69A so unambiguously said. I had not thought HOUSE before entering HORSE at 56D. At 59 down I did think NAH before entering NAE. That is, although I did not think of NAW, I did get that there was more than one option that fit the clue and the space. What I'm getting at here is that I had all the breadcrumbs—or most of them, and hints of the others—but I ignored all of that information and took the easy way out: The right entry is NORTHEAST, and the precise language of the clue at 69D is some sort of gobbledygook, careless mistake, or editorial blunder. So—Shame on me, honor to the constructor. Lesson learned.
Same here…solved on paper as usual…had Southeast and never saw the gimmick. And came here instead of trying to figure out what trick the website or app might want to bring the happy music.
I got OLD FAITHFUL quickly and confidently went to 69A and typed YELLOWSTONE, followed by nine backspaces. I still thought the theme was Yellowstone, so CRATER LAKE confused me further. I put THE SOUTHWEST in 69A, though I knew it didn't fit the cross references. I was wondering about both the puzzle and the editing until I worked my way to the SW section and the resolution hit me. The "something is amiss" screen always hits me with a wave of dread. That wave is higher on a Sunday and especially high when rebuses are involved. However, I tried changing IRAN/SHAN to IRAQ/SHAQ, and that did it. Clever puzzle and enjoyable experience.
Liked the writeup better than the puzzle and had much the same reaction as @Rex, though I solved on paper and TOOK TIME at the end to figure out my SOUTH could also be NORTH and my WEST could be EAST. ACDC, indeed. Seeing that elicited an “oh, look” which is AbiT more than a shrug but not ALOT. Guess I should’ve given it more attention early on when the geography was out of whack. I also did not notice the placement of the themers, which may be a construction feat but it resulted in a grid full of SLIER HIVED TEENER IRAIL nonsense. SOSO.
Had Loo before LAV and fell for the cutesy tina misdirection. Oh, and tried erudite before CRANIAL, and TORE-into before -OPEN.
Totally agree with the diphthong criticism. Also, KATRINA, placed right by TRAGIC OILLEAK, was suboptimal.
OTOH, I did like SEEing ONTARIAN crossing NIAGARA FALLS, AVE right by OFFERTORY (with PRIESTS nearby in case JOSHGAD has been a BAD CAD). We had EBONY over KEYS, TEARY O’LEARYS, an ADDLEd DOTTY, STUDENTS and DEANS (though @Anoa Bob may have something to say about this grid’s “convenient pluralism.” ERNS and TUNAS and EDENS, oh my! And all those BACHS!
I guess if you’ve EGOSURFED you SELF SERVEd.
Yep, definitely having more fun post-solve! Still, better than most Sundays.
Now to go find some Irish music….
It was a fun solve, except for some of the over-the-top misdirection clues! I had NORTHEAST for the revealer, but I knew that Crater Lake was in my home state of Oregon. That's when I realized that NORTHEAST could easily change to NORTHWEST, and I saw that either answer worked for the two affected crosses; so I wondered if North could become South, and sure enough, that worked, too. Did't realize until after the solve that all the attractions were in the appropriate corners of the puzzle. Amazing construction, and a delightful Sunday morning.
Yeah, I was able to grok the gimmick once I finished, and it wasn't an amazing aha moment - more of an, "ok, at least that makes sense" moment.
I agree that including something more to hint at the Schrodinger-ness, would have elevated the experience from a solver's perspective.
Started with “New York State” as the revealer once I got Niagara Falls. Well, that was clearly wrong. Ended up with “Northeast” and was surprised to get happy music since I knew perfectly well that a number of the “attractions “ were in other parts of the country. This was a major rant from Rex and I can’t disagree with any of it.
😂
Hate to tell you Rex but I think you did have an error, my app allowed me to finish just fine with just SOUTHWEST. I was utterly confused by Niagara Falls and Lady Liberty but chalked it up to my Canadian naivety... I think the 4-way revealer is an awesome gimmick! The fact that all of the attractions are in their respective geographical corners is icing on the cake. Cool puzzle with an allowable amount of crosswordese given the amount of thematic constraints, imho.
@Carola, I'm sorry to hear about your concussion and glad you are coming out of the resulting brain fog. Best wishes for your full recovery!
Yep, I knew that the Everglades had to be correct, and I was pretty damn sure those weren’t in the north-anything. & then the gimmick clicked and it was pretty cool.
It seems those who "got" the gimmick loved this puzzle, and those who did not hated it. Sour grapes?
@Anonymous 9:00 AM
Maybe the funniest comment ever.
To Mike in Bed-Stuy: Agree completely. The gradual emergence and appreciation of the complexity of the rebus squares in 69 Across was extremely satisfying. There were lots of different avenues to that realization. A really pleasurable solving experience. Kudos to Simeon Seigel!
I had NORTHEAST and got a “congratulations” when I finished. I didn’t get the gimmick until reading the blog so thank you for that! As always, Klein Klein like like!
I had NORTHWEST so I assumed that it meant all the landmarks were in the northern and western hemispheres of the earth since they’re all in North America. Oops
“Got” the gimmick. Didn’t like. Too clumsy. On editor, not constructor. From his notes, sounds like every themer and revealer changed. The idea and construction are very worthy. The execution and roadmap for the solver very lacking. Then throw in some of the usual Sunday sketchiness and there you go.
I Agree that the the N/S O R/U TH E/W Α/Ε ST theme was super-clever, and I would have reated this difficult, not only for that reason (the literal misdirection), but also because almost e-ve-ry-thing here seemed to have some twist.
While I understand many - including me - did not get the Schrödinger nature of the puzzle while solving, that does nothing to diminish the beauty, cleverness and joy of the overall construction. Like the rest of our country, this blog had become increasingly negative and critical over the past few years. We need more Lewis’s and Loren Muse Smith’s. The current group would probably have lambasted the BOB DOLE/CLINTON Schrödinger as too political.
Great puzzle. 5.0. Made my day.
The app accepted THESOUTHWAST as correct, unfortunately, so although I got the the answers the revealer was...unrevealing.
I’m confused. After seeing the divergent locales, I solved the revealer as a rebus with the appropriate letter pairs. At the finish I got the happy music. If the app didn’t require the full set of letter pairs, the whole point of the puzzle is moot. If that was true, I’m a little disappointed, because for once I grokked the theme and thought it was worth the effort.
I’ve scanned all the comments. No luck. I’m having a brain cramp and can’t figure out 64 D Brut-ish? What is SEC?
Since my first theme answer was Epcot Center I assumed his had something to do with Disney World, and I kept trying to find ways to work that into the center. Finally ended up with Northeast , was pretty confused and then figured that the “no really” mean that theme answers weren’t “really” in the NE, but rather where they were located in the puzzle. Besides that mess, I thought there were way too many “?” clues, I have never heard of “ hot magenta” - that seemed completely forced - and I share Rex’s annoyance with teener and Katrina.
Thank you, Rex, for supporting women's rights: I hope the puzzles raise zillions for the cause.
OMG -- This disappeared from my screen hours ago and now it's back! My original comment!
Two of my least favorite things in the whole world. Geography, because I'm so lousy at it. And cross-referencing, because I'm so lazy at it.
I began the puzzle thinking I'd drop it just as soon as one or both of these things began to annoy me. But guess what? I found that I was able to solve without knowing zilch about geography and without doing a single bit of cross-referencing. The places -- wherever they were or weren't located -- were such familiar names, that I got them from crosses and word-pattern recognition.
I misread the clue for JOSH GAD, a name I actually know, believe it or not, and thought it was one of the geography clues. Was there a JOSH GAP I never heard of?
A few writeovers: LOO before LAV; DITSY before DOTTY; DEEM before HEAR for "consider". But mostly a smooth, painless solve on a puzzle I thought was going to drive me crazy. It didn't -- but neither did it excite me. Not nearly enough playfulness and humor for my liking.
I’ve never laughed harder at or agreed more with one of Rex’s reviews. This puzzle was a disaster.
I see I missed the entire NW, SW, NE, SE thing. Very, VERY clever! But it means nothing to me since I don't know where anything is located anyway. I solved it as THE SOUTHEAST and never gave the matter a second thought.
"op art" and "pop art" don't work as the clue specified a prefix, not a suffix. Calling an answer a Natick implies some degree of fault on the part of the constructor; it's different than "I couldn't solve the puzzle."
Thank you, Simeon Siegel, for the giant and satisfying AHA! this puzzle delivered when I finally realized what was going on. This was both brilliant in construction and fun to solve. The best Sunday puzzle so far of 2024.
We'll survive
"Subgenre prefix" - not suffix.
Same… The title made it fair game, and then once you saw all the little KEA-LOA answers, you could figure out the big KEA-LOA kahuna.
Groundhog day featured both Punxsatawney Phil and Phil Ryerson, the annoying insurance salesman. Any puzzle with a callback to that movie is good for me.
I started with newyorkstate. There are enough odd attractions her that it took a while to become convinced otherwise. Ausable Chasm didn't seem like it could be 2000 feet deep, but who knows,& perhaps 4 counties meet? then THENORTHEAST, and finally things like EPCOTCENTER, CRATER LAKE and EVERGLADES made me change answers. I kept thinking I had mistakes with pat/pet, set/net, horse/house. I had a mighty AHA when it came together!!!
The extreme depth of CRATER LAKE causes light to refract or reflect in a way that make it a spectacular blue. Kind of akin to the wings of the Eastern Bluebird in the sun! A real bucket list location, although in the middle of nowhere. Also the water is some of the clearest anywhere thanks to it being only the product of rain and snowmelt.
Very clever realizing the different directions had the same number of letters and rebuses could work in those squares. Then iconic landmarks with proper letter lengths all fit in their appropriate corners of the puzzle - which we use all the time in crosslandia.
While I appreciate Rex's wordplay of the shruggiest shrug, I can't agree with the sentiment here. I also admire his ability to fill an entire screen with words to say "I didn't figure out the theme". Agreed about using obscure definition of diphthong for AETNA and had a one letter error at MADEA/BAATH crossing - I even remember the discussion of Madea (Tyler Perry) vs Medea (Euripides), everyone's favorite diphthong playwright.
I think it's hilarious to read all the comments about the editor and suggesting he has learned something in his 3 days on the job, presumably from reading the comments here. Talk about EGOSURFING!
@anon 9:00am, you remind me of the time I couldn't think of a western North Carolina tribe that turned out to be the name of my home county CATAWBA (my LMS connection, btw)
Solved it with Southeast, and wondered if it meant the location within the state somehow?
Got OLDFAITHFUL early, and thought, aha, YELLOWSTONE (wrong) then NATIONALPARK (also wrong) but briefly wondered if EPCOT was somehow in a park… Was totally fooled by the London clue, despite being an ONTARIAN myself!
I did enjoy this puzzle, even though the revealer didn't really make sense to me. But I highly object to TEENER; at sock-hops you had boppers, teeny boppers, or teens. I can’t see it making any sense in any context, not really a word. I had a few spots near PHIL that gave me problems, also near CARLE. But still fun overall despite the weird theme revealer.
I appreciate your column, Rex - always a fun read.
As the Duchess of Sussex would say, Me Again!
Okay (OK, or just K),in the 6 hours since I solved this, the achievement of the construction has grown on me.
1. Finding two legit attractions for each quadrant of the country.
2. Putting them in their proper places in each quadrant of the puzzle.
3. Making the Grand Reveal work four ways.
Maybe I need to sleep in a little longer on Sundays. My grumpiness in focusing on some of the weak fill misses the brilliance of both the concept and execution of this stunner. Can’t imagine how long it took Simeon to come up with this gem - apologies for missing the point in my earlier post. MYB!
I liked it. Very clever and fun. I do my puzzles on paper and filled in Southwest. Like Rex I didn’t see the alternative clues until I read this. The puzzle title was cute
I guess the various apps don't offer any solving joy today. But I use blue ink on paper. I first found joy with NORTHWEST after OLD FAITHFUL and CRATER LAKE. Then I realized that the other attractions are not in the NW. Then came the joyful forehead slap. Apparently the apps require you to settle on one corner of the country/grid?
Very clever, despite a few grumbles.
Wow....I kinda stopped doing Sundays because they became boring and ho humish to me. I looked at this one last night and thought it sounded like fun. It was!
I loved this puzzle!. I really did. Eight themes with attractions All Over The Map!. I was THE NORTHEAST gal until I wasn't. I got to EVERGLADES and thought HUH? Since when did crocs and gators coexist in the North. Go back to 69 and look closely. Could that be a rebus-y trick? It could also be the SOUTH WEST and maybe a SOUTHEAST or could that be a Horse or House? I saw what you did and I clapped with glee.
This didn't feel like wasted time to me. I suppose you could call it a stunt puzzle but it had solver payoff to me. When I saw what Simeon did, I thought this was very clever AND entertaining.
If more Sundays were like this, I'll come back to play....
@pablito..."No hagas eso, diptongo".....Que Buenazo...eres guay!
nobodyquestioned schwa. My sister taught 4th graders and I had heard it from her.
@burtonkd 1:27
It's Ned Ryerson ...
You know, Needle Nose Ned, Ned the Head, c'mon buddy, Case Western High!
(Do you think I've seen that movie too many times?) 😁
"Where is everyone off to?"
"Gobbler's Nob, it's Groundhog Day"
"It's still only once a year, isn't it?"
"I'm a God."
"You're God."
"I'm A God, not The God, at least I don't think so."
RooMonster "Phil? Like the Groundhog?"" "Yeah, like the Groundhog." "Heh, watch out for your shadow, pal!" Guy
Kinda cool. A Schrodinger-sponsored tour of attractions. Quantum Theory no doubt predicted that this crossword would eventually occur.
A landmark attraction called HOTMAGENTA? M&A wants to go to there.
staff weeject picks: N/SET. NAE/W. PA/ET. And honrable mention to SEC, for its stability -- did have a sorta wonky clue, tho...
A sorta side-attraction: The HEY/ENCL/MYB/NBA/TLC area. HEY, indeed. har. A scenic Ow de Speration landmark.
Thanx for the S/T O C/U A/R, Mr. Seigel dude. Primo puztheme. fave puz attraction: FOURCORNERS. Least fave puz attraction: WARROOM.
Masked & Anonymo5Us
p.s. Pretty decent editin job, Mr. Fagliano dude. Do other members of the Shortzmeister staff get a temp turn, too? This must be a lotta pressure for U, editin both the big NYTPuz and buildin the NYT runtpuzs.
**gruntz**
Wow! And after 2 pm!
Every time I thought I couldn't/wouldn't finish I would see an empty grid & "get it." It just kept happening over & over so I stuck with it. Finished it only to have that ******* "Nearly finished - grr" (or whatever it is) show up. Not that I cared to lose my streak - that happened long ago, but because I was so close & loved being there & I was determined to stay there (even though I hate anything that even comes close to a rebus which this had one of).
OTOH 9A was fun. Thanks for a challenging solve, Simeon
For me this was 46-Down. I solve with paper and pencil so I was left scratching my head when I thought. “All these places aren’t in the northeast”, which is the version of the “revealer” I ended up with. Didn’t get the geography of the answers either.
The attraction called Hurricane Katrina is placed somewhat accurately to the left of Everglades and Epcot. Not so much the Teton Range, which seems to have wandered into the center of the USA.
This doesn't really go with the puzzle, but:
Priests
Not Irish, but here’s JIMMY DURANTE with September song.
And another birthday boy, Nat King Cole, sang it too. Interesting contrast.
@burtonkd and RooMonster: Ned Ryerson scene.
I have DEFINITELY seen that movie too many times.
@Anonymous 12:34: SEC and BRUT are (French) terms for dry wine. And while I'm at it, téton is French slang for breast. A creative naming of the mountain range ;-)
I guess most of my complaints have been covered. Except that nobody mentioned that HOT MAGENTA does not exist. As a church musician I don't get to solve Sunday puzzles till afternoon, happens every week. But I will mention that though I have never heard of SOCA, I heard a lecture by the bishop of Antigua and Barbuda at a Hymn Society gathering. It seems that for centuries their local, rhythmic, steel-drum-based danceable music was banned on Sundays, The only music allowed on Sundays was church music, and it had to be of the straight four-square Western European sort. Guide me, O Thou Great Jehovah, Holy, Holy Holy, Lord God Almighty etc. Since their independence in 1967 they have invented a new kind of home-grown church music that is quite amazing. And they have written some patriotic songs that while fairly rhythmically square are unlike ours. "We sing the praise of Nelson, and of Heroes of England/ In school we're taught the lesson of a mighty distant land.' But what of our own heroes, of our own time and place?/ You are the unsung heroes, the scions of our race. // We fight no wars of conquest, we seek no land not ours...'
WTF is everyone complaining about. This was brilliant. I loved that the themes were Across and Down and perfectly placed, all very familiar. I saw Josh Gad in " The Book of Mormon" and he was awesome.
The only downer was teener, a small price to pay for this Gem. Dorothy Labour (thud) was a friend of mine and we all called her 24Across.
That's 124across.
The app gave me the congratulations message with NOUTHEAST…..very disappointed in not being forced to at least enter a real word, or being able to see all the options after completion.
SEC is a level of sweetness/dryness in sparkling wine, like brut.
@Anon 12:34
Brut and SEC are both French words for dry. Brut means very dry.
Sort of reminded me of the astonishing puzzle of 1996 presidential election results that could be filled with EITHER Clinton or Bob Dole.
Had a great time discovering the theme/gimmick of this puzzle. Solved the middle first and even as I was entering THENORTHEAST I had trouble deciding between HORSE/HOUSE and PAT/PET. Then when I got EPCOTCENTER and EVERGLADES, which aren’t in the northeast, despite the revealer emphasizing that “really!” they can all be found in the location promised! So I went back to the revealer and the ambiguous letters clicked in a very satisfying way. And then I guessed correctly that the answers in the SE of the grid were in the SE of the USA, and the other quadrants would work the same way, some intuition that paid off.
Sadly still a DNF on JOSHGA_/_I_C/_OCA and VENDEE (could only see lendee).
I did not like "teener" but my mouth fell open when I realized it could be not only NORTHWEST (I put that first because I saw Crater Lake and Yellowstone first, and that's also where I live, in the PNW) but all the others as well. I don't remember being literally AGAPE at a puzzle ... maybe ever.
I liked this! Thought it was clever. I had The Southwest at first. Might be somewhat interesting to survey which direction came first to our solvers!
This is awesome!
Agree. Love this comment!
Oh, boy, that's the best/funniest comment!
Swiping a credit card...
I thought the gimmick was factually incorrect because I had THESOUTHWEST and not every theme element was from that region. Then I came here and realized this had four alternate letters which flipped the gimmick to THENORTHEAST. Pretty, pretty good.
@ Masked and Anonymous (2:04): Joel was appointed Interim Editor on March 14th for the period that Mr. Shortz "tales time to recover," according to a March 14 NYTimes Editor's Note. Joel's byline began appearing on that date.
When Will hired Joel, I don't think he made a secret of the fact that it was with the intention of grooming him as his successor. Though that was in 2014 (after three summers of interning with Shortz), and a lot has changed at the NYTimes, with NYTimes Games becoming an almost stand-alone cash cow for the corporation, so who knows?
Ok I probably spent waaaaay more time on it than most of the commenters (1 hr 9 min) but I’m very proud of myself that I got the gimmick! I put in all the rebuses thinking that might be my error, but it turns out I convinced myself “rones” was the correct spelling of Rhône wine, like you’d see a section of a wine mention for Rhônes. Once I realized it was the much more likely and obvious rosés, I got the gold star on the app.
What the hell is MYB??!
Yes, I didn't read that clue carefully enough, but it has nothing to do with the natick, which is two PPP answers crossing one another.... Both were obscure.... Some three-letter manufacturer of a product I've never heard of, and the name of two characters in some movie..
I thought the "subgenre prefix" was ALT, and since PHIL is as good a name as any (never heard of PHIR), it made (and makes) perfect sense to me.
@GILL I-Guay, eh? Y tu, simpatiquisima.
Really disagree with Rex on this one
Maybe because I got most of the gimmick ( missed the fact the Northeast attractions were in the NE of the puzzle etc). Sometimes when I dnf I get mad at the puzzle. Rex had to hit reveal puzzle and wasn’t happy. Haven’t seen the comments yet.
Anonymous 1:10 AM
Yes first Sunday. Will Shortz is recovering from a stroke. Joel started editing last week
Sharon AK
FWIW
Online dictionaries say sled can be a verb ( definition 3)
If you sled you may be on a the decline.
I think it’s close enough for crosswords and so valid
I agree with Anonymous 1:38 AM
Wow - I thought this puzzle was great. What a construction feat. After getting the two attractions in the NW corner and then Lady Liberty, it was easy to see the geographical theme and think of attractions in the 4 quadrants of the US. It helped me solve the rest of the puzzle (and I’ve been to all except Niagara). But I struggled with the center phrase (finally ending with NW) and kinda/dumbly assumed the constructor meant the NW part of the globe. The true reveal was so much better and so clever. Best Sunday in a long, long time. Kudos to Seigel. Excellent job.
Sorry phillyradc1999
But bolts down is a thing.
I finished this puzzle and now I need to bathe. Only my mother’s Corned Beef and Cabbage upsets me more than this puzzle. I agree with Rex, but his criticism didn’t go far enough. I need a Monday puzzle to cleanse my palette.
You’re missing out. It’s pretty cool.
I am stunned at the number of people who enjoyed this.
The trick was clever, but made for a stupid solving experience as you sit there wondering why the landmarks don't fit the obviously-correct answer you had in the revealer.
TEENER and HIVED are insanely just not-words. It's loaded with names that are not famous enough to justify their existence a puzzle where you're already struggling with the fact that most of the long clues aren't being helped by the revealer. A misdirection clue that relies on the 11th-biggest city in Canada (behind the well-known Kitchener). Good thing that an otherwise not-too-hard clue was crossed with a film company that went out of business 60 years ago and a comedian who died 40 years ago. Really keeping up with the times here (to go along with such in-the-modern-lingo terms as CAD and ROUE).
Just ugh.
Finally, what the heck is with "Didn't swipe right?". I get what they're going for, but it just doesn't work. If you take swipe to mean STOLE as you're meant to, then there really isn't a "right" way to be doing it that they apparently didn't do.
For crying out loud Phil is the name of the ground hog. Duh.
Joel was announced as editor protem earlier this week.
I got SOUTHWAST and I was extremely confused.
Gosh, this was clearly an all-timer sort of puzzle. I had multiple friends message me asking if I'd done the Sunday yet because it was that good. If there was ever a puzzle to be positive about, it should be this one. And by a first time writer too!
My B , as in my bad
What a disappointing puzzle. Awful “PHIL” with the same noted concerning words mentioned by Rex. The gimmick is eye-roll worthy. Sundays always leave me a little mad but this one, maybe because of its complexity, drove me a little crazy.
Completely agree with your gripes on this. This puzzle is infuriating.
A phrase meaning “My bad” - it’s a millennial thing, considered fairly outdated now.
Thank you for the update. Hoping for Will’s speedy recovery.
@burtonkd.... nope.... Bill Murray character was named Phil... Insurance guy (Stephen Tobolowsky's) character was named Ned......
I’ve enjoyed the Sunday NYT puzzles since days of Will Weng and Eugene Maleska. Knew about the cat but not until today that Schrödinger also applies to crosswords.
All I have to say is that I am super irritated because there was some sort of glitch in the app because I could not get the reveal to give me the happy music no matter how I put in the answer, not with any form of the rebus or with just choosing a location. When I finally gave up and hit reveal all it did was cross out what I had in the reveal which was SOUTHWEST. No other red lines anywhere. What gives?
I usually agree with Rex, but not this time - this is shear brilliance. I agree with those who alerted friends to the puzzle - I did this for the first time in my life out of pure exuberance. Maybe it's common knowledge, but noticing that the words northeast/northwest/southeast/southwest differed from each other only slightly and in four specific locations, and then leveraging that into a full puzzle is incredible. Then having the four 'Schroedinger' down clues be legitimate answers (with nae/naw being borderline) was a tour de force - c'mon, how many people were on the fence between net/set when filling in the grid or between horse/house? Hats off to Mr. Seigel - who appropriately works as an architect in New York City, I just learned.
I think the point is that if you’d read that clue more carefully, you’d have realized A doesn’t work and kept running letters (PAIL is clearly not a name - PHIL is a common name and the clear choice once you have P-IL). If the answer were something other than Phil, then I’d think it’s fair to cry Natick.
Also, I don’t think either of the proper nouns is that obscure. HSN is the Home Shopping Network, which was a pretty huge cultural phenomenon from the 80s until the internet. I’ve never bought anything on tv, but I still know HSN and QVC. And Punxsutawney Phil is a real groundhog (well, presumably a series of groundhogs) whose fame predates the movie (he’s essentially the premise). Phil is always worth checking for anything groundhog-related.
I thought this puzzle was brilliant. I missed out on the Dole/Clinton puzzle when it came out and now I feel like I've had a similar solving experience. I had THENORTHWEST but as soon as I saw Epcot I knew something was afoot in that middle revealer. And very clever that we refer to the areas of a crossword puzzle in geographic terms and that's where each attraction was located. Terrific fun. Thank you Mr. Seigel!!
You can't swipe your own card. It's YOUR card!
It baffles me that Rex said that the themer had nothing to do with solving the puzzle, as he is a god among mortals at this stuff and I am new at it. I solved the themer first, before getting any of the attractions, but I only had half of it right because I had northwest and southwest. But then the first attraction I solved was Niagara falls and I was like wait, that's not in the northwest or the southwest. And then I clicked on the themer and all eight of the attractions lit up and I could see that they were in different corners of the grid and then I was like, oh (!) the attractions are all located in specific regions of the country and the themer must have another dimension. So then I saw that you could also do northeast southeast. And then I solved the puzzle. I absolutely loved this experience
Another abysmal puzzle from the NYT. Gimmicky and not the least bit clever. The lack of basic knowledge about language and how it functions is mind-boggling at times. Who doesn't know what a diphthong is? Or which prepositions work with which verbs? "Teener," "hived," "irail?" Really? You are right, Rex, about the those "golden years" of puzzle-making. I'm digging into the archive and working the oldies that are so much more challenging and satisfying.
I liked this one fine, but it’s not even in the same league as BOBDOLE/CLINTON
Oh gee @Rex. Everyone was bamboozled by the theme.
I actually got all the answers but still didn’t Get It. I had SET/NET, HOUSE/HORSE, NAW/NEA, and PET/PAT.
I settled up with NORTHEAST for no particular reason.
TEENER, really?
I solve on paper and got the rebus revealer about halfway through. The four theme answers in the North fell easily but it was clear that they weren't all in the northwest. And then I realized that the other four theme answers we're going to have to be in the south. I tripped over SET and NET as equal possibilities at 70D, then saw HOUSE and HORSE at 56 D, and found the rest of the necessary rebuses (rebi?) worked. I then knew to look for appropriate attractions in the Southwest and Southeast, respectively. A very pleasant, intriguing, and, for me, quite an easy solve.
I enjoyed this, and the callout to the famous 1996 Election Day puzzle made it pretty easy to figure out. But I have say the “teeter” has no place in this , or any other puzzle. Ban it now, Will Shortz!
I did this one on paper, so never suspected the double answers. Thanks for explaining them. And thanks a ton for putting my disgruntlement into words for every clue/answer I marked as ?!?!?!?! I'd have preferred some Irish-themed cleverness for that day that was in it. Meh.
I came back to this to see what Rex thought, as I find him to be an almost totally negative nelly on just about every puzzle. Such that, why bother with your life of solving crosswords and writing about them if it pains you so much. How about you constructing some puzzles so we can just dump all over you. This was a brilliant construction. I figured it out, Rex didn't... Ha Ha what a crossword puzzle loser attempt he gave it. And compared to Rex, I stink at xword puzzles. What a loser solve you put into that one, and then since such a small minded effort went into the puzzle, it was an equally sad sack performance on writing about it, just to make the writer feel better about their incompetence. Post after post of negative diatribe, why even bother to keep such negativity in your life besides fueling egos.
I completely missed the multiple-choice downs in the revealer. Ended up with SOUTHWEST. Well, that's where I live. I thought the theme attractions were in the SOUTHWEST corner of their various states. Guess that means a DNF, even though every square was filled not incorrectly.
Wordle birdie.
I'm not surprised OFL didn't 'get' it; speed-solving will do that, and suck the fun right out of it. The revealer WAS helped along by the placement of the attractions; THESORTHWAST couldn't be the locale, that's how I caught the variable letters. So even with this variable rebus-type puz, I thought it was one of the better Sundays in recent memory.
Wordle birdie.
Hands up for THESOUTHEAST with rationalizing that each is in the southeast of something — state, province, park, forest.
I'm providing company for SusanA 1:28 PM, who "Solved it with Southeast, and wondered if it meant the location within the state somehow?" I solve on paper, had nothing to tell me I hadn't got it. I didn't look up any of the locations, but the ones I really knew were pretty much in the SOUTHEAST of their states.
Just did the puzzle on the Seattle Times site. It won't accept, say "NS" or "SN" for the first variable square. You have to put "N/S". But you literally CAN'T do that, as the interface does NOT allow any symbols. In short, the puzzle is literally impossible to finish.
If you're going to do something like this, you need to have your ducks in a row, and they don't.
Hey Brett Alan! I also do the puzzles a month late on the Seattle Times site, and I have a trick for you! If you want the puzzle to congratulate you on your solve and stop the clock, click on each of the contested squares and click "check word". This will automatically change them to the correct format and then it will complete. It only works with "check word" for some reason! Feels a bit like cheating, but as you said, it won't let you complete them the way it's asking for.
Loved this puzzle, actually, except that "Teener" and "Hived" were both b.s.
Hey Rex, you got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning? The North/South/East/West thing was brilliantly done.
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