Modern reimagining of a Robert Frost classic / THU 3-7-24 / Culture setters? / Rapper ___ Gravy / Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" / Word shortened to its last letter by texters

Thursday, March 7, 2024

Constructor: Joe O'Neill

Relative difficulty: well this is going to vary


THEME: a "modern reimagining" of Robert Frost's "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" (17A: Modern reimagining of a Robert Frost classic, part 1 [followed by parts 2 through 4])—

Theme answers:
  • I KNOW WHOSE WOODS
  • THESE ARE. MY HORSE
  • IS RESTLESS. I HAVE
  • A LOT TO DO. GIDDYUP!
Here's the original poem:
Whose woods these are I think I know.   
His house is in the village though;   
He will not see me stopping here   
To watch his woods fill up with snow.   

My little horse must think it queer   
To stop without a farmhouse near   
Between the woods and frozen lake   
The darkest evening of the year.   

He gives his harness bells a shake   
To ask if there is some mistake.   
The only other sound’s the sweep   
Of easy wind and downy flake.   

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,   
But I have promises to keep,   
And miles to go before I sleep,   
And miles to go before I sleep. (poetryfoundation.org) 
Word of the Day:
YUNG Gravy (66A: Rapper ___ Gravy) —
 

Matthew Raymond Hauri (born March 19, 1996), known professionally as Yung Gravy, is an American rapper, singer-songwriter and actor from Rochester, Minnesota. He first gained recognition for his 2017 songs "Mr. Clean" and "1 Thot 2 Thot Red Thot Blue Thot", both of which gained traction on SoundCloudand received platinum certifications by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). His 2022 single, "Betty (Get Money)" marked his first entry on the Billboard Hot 100 at number 30 and likewise received platinum certification.

His discography consists of one mixtape, four albums, and seven extended plays. Yung Gravy is often associated with the SoundCloud rap era as well as Canadian rapper bbno$, with whom he has released two collaborative albums. He has collaborated with artists including Lil BabyJuicy JT-Pain and Lil Wayne, as well as television personality Martha Stewart. (wikipedia)

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Well, this puzzle *is* exceptional, in that it's easily the worst puzzle I've done this year. Imagine writing a puzzle that a. assumes the vast majority of solvers will know this damn poem well enough to paraphrase the whole thing, b. has such a terrible, off-the-mark sense of what "modern" means (or what paraphrase entails), and c. makes zero reference to "sleep" in a poem where the speaker, famously, repeats the need for sleep at the poem's conclusion. There are four stanzas to the poem, but we get three ... sentences? Or four lines, I guess, if this is supposed to be "modern" poetry, with each line a "line," and rhyme and meter not a factor. Anyway, two whole stanzas about the horse condensed to "MY HORSE / IS RESTLESS." Brilliant. If this is "modern," why are you even on a horse in the first place?! Use the GPS on your ATV, you idiot. This puzzle manages to be an insult both to poetry and to puzzles. Guessing at the phrasing of the "modern" version was torture, in the sense of (occasionally) "hard," but primarily in the sense of "actually physically painful to accomplish because the 'poem' was so completely tin-eared." 


I liked one thing about this ... or at least respected one thing, and that's the final GIDDYUP! It's so stupid, so Not a part of the original poem, so unexpected and goofy, that I have to give it at least a golf clap. The rest of the poem was so punishing that the GIDDYUP! at the end actually managed to alleviate a bit of the pain. But then that GIDDYUP! corner was filled with YUNG (oof, kinda sorta heard the name, but still, yikes) and the dumbest clue ever on PEG, brought to you by (drumroll) the ultrastupid twin-cluing convention that I'm always saying results in at least one of the clues being bad. This is the bad clue. The clue on PEG. [Throw]? Just ... [Throw]? You can peg someone with a ball—throw it at them and hit them with it. (You can peg someone in other ways, but we'll save that discussion for ... maybe never). But just ... [Throw]? I'm sure there's a 4b. or lower dictionary definition that will support this, but when your theme already consists of you just making *&$% up, why not keep your cluing in the realm of normal human discourse? Also, is it POSH or BOSH, who can say!? (64A: "Codswallop!"). Oh, it's TOSH!? Oh ... fan *tas* tic. Total winner. Well, at least that other [Throw] clue actually worked for CAST (which provides the "T" cross on "TOSH!").


Last line of the "modern" poem was definitely the hardest to parse. A LOT TO DOGID- was making me think I had an error. "A lot to dog? A lot to do gid- ... but nothing starts with 'gid'!" Turns out I was wrong there. One thing starts with 'gid." The other trouble spot, for me, was the northern section. Just brutal clues on OCEAN (15A: "___ of wisdom" ("Dalai Lama," in translation)), CEOS (7D: Org. chart figures), RAS (!?!?!?) (8D: ___ Tafari), and MOWS (5D: Makes shorter, in a way). I wanted MACRO (5A: 14-Across subfield) but it kept "not working" (i.e. I couldn't get the crosses to work). I also had the stupid poem as reading, "I KNOW THOSE WOODS!" That didn't help. And please don't tell me "I KNOW THOSE WOODS!" is any worse than anything else in this godawful non-poem. Now I'm mad because in the original poem he only thinks he knows them. If the goal here was to get me to appreciate Robert Frost, mission f***ing accomplished. I'm now desperate for poetry. Real poetry. Anything with more grace and musicality than the "poem" in this puzzle. I'll take whatever you got. A 1984 Right Guard commercial? Sure, why not?


That's better. Faith in verse, restored! See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld 

P.S. In addition to YUNG, I'm guessing SMOOVE is going to throw a lot of people today (30D: Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm"). I know the guy's name and it still took me many crosses to remember it. If you've never heard of him ... that would make the puzzle considerably harder.

P.P.S. [Culture setters?] is so bad as a clue for LABS. It's not even a pun. [Culture setters?]? Is that supposed to sound like "trendsetters"? It doesn't. And as far as the connection to LABS—"setters" is not a plausible stand-in for "settings" (which I think is what you mean? LABS are where you might find "cultures," in the bacterial sense?). Or do LABS "set" cultures? Is that the verb you use when cultivating cells? It's like this puzzle has a vendetta against language.

P.P.P.S. ONE DAY / TRY ONE 😭

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225 comments:

Anonymous 6:07 AM  

To echo Rex, the only part of this poem anyone that’s not REALLY into poetry or Frost is the last stanza! That’s the stanza we had to memorize in high school. That’s like doing a theme around Two Roads Diverge but not using any parts that contain variations on anything having to do with two roads, having to choose one, the woods being yellow, or “and that makes all the difference.” I’m not normally a big fan of Thursdays anyway, cause I don’t love the riddles, but this was just a slog, without any kind of “aha” once I finally got to the end. Just a “huh? What poem is this?” Worst crossword I’ve ever done.

Anonymous 6:09 AM  

I enjoyed the puzzle. The beauty of “Stopping by Woods” is that it’s all about the speaker’s interior feeling. But not much actually happens. So stripping it down to its action leaves not much . That’s kinda fun for a puzzle. I like challenging puzzles. Well done!

Anonymous 6:15 AM  

Exactly! This was terrible. Waste of a Thursday

kenji 6:24 AM  

We read and discussed a number of Frost poems in a course I took, under the guidance to look always beyond Frost's seeming pastoral, down-home gloss for the haunting, darker angle. Ever since, I've seen the "lovely, dark, and deep" woods of this one as reflecting a relatively young person's (possibly first) contemplation of mortality, and, kinda Hamlet-like, early death by one's own hand. With that in mind, this is not even close to a re-imagining.

Anonymous 6:25 AM  

Yeah. A big “nope” here. Oy.

Anonymous 6:27 AM  

I knew the Frost poem cold, line for line; I’m familiar with (and love!) JB Smoove; Mr. Gravy has been known to play on the car radio (kids keep you Yung); I have been solving the NYT puzzles for fun since 1985,; and I just have to say this was the dumbest, 38 minutes I’ve ever spent doing anything. Terrible. Throw/Peg??????? Someone point me to any way this makes sense.

Anonymous 6:30 AM  

Just an awful, awful puzzle. Giddy up? Where’s the clever? Obscure crosses revealing… drek.

Anonymous 6:32 AM  

[Grabs popcorn] 🍿 [Waits for Lewis]

Anonymous 6:38 AM  

Absolutely dreadful

Anonymous 6:45 AM  

Was singing THESE ARE MY HORSE to myself like Sweeney Todd

LivedNearNatick 6:49 AM  

Then there's "giddyup," which I believe is less-standard than "giddyap." So, more trouble for us non-Yung-Gravy-knowers.

Wanderlust 6:50 AM  

👏🏼

Anonymous 6:50 AM  

Wow. Indeed worst puzzle ever. Reimagining way too far from the original. Not enjoyable at all.

SouthsideJohnny 6:53 AM  

Rex enjoys poetry, is familiar with the poem and the author, and still hated this unmitigated disaster. I, on the other hand, know very little about the author (he’s the fork in the woods guy, right?), never heard of the poem in question, and hated this unmitigated disaster.

If you don’t know the dude or the poem, the four grid-spanning theme entries just become indecipherable nonsensical phrases - oh what good fun that is. And then fill in the rest of the grid with stuff like SMOOVE, and YUNG, and TOSH. Wow, I guess this technically qualifies as a crossword puzzle - but it definitely does not belong in the NYT (at least the NYT that I yearn for, which would be the gold standard). This is an embarrassment to the Old Gray Lady. Hard to believe that it got considered - the fact that it got published just boggles the mind.

Jack Stefano 6:58 AM  

Making difficult puzzles can be hit or miss. I enjoyed this one.

smalltowndoc 6:58 AM  

Terrible.

Anonymous 7:01 AM  

Maybe it’s time that we considered the possibility the NYT has already started using AI to set the puzzle.

truthven 7:05 AM  

Every time there's a puzzle I like I play the game "will rex hate it?" He almost always hates it - often with decent reasons. But this one ... He's paraphrasing a poem in which nothing happens. I think he does a good job. And more importantly, it made me look up the poem and appreciate it.

Peg isn't clued well.

And JB Smoove is a national treasure

Lobster11 7:05 AM  

I can't remember the last time I quit a NYT puzzle about 3/4 of the way through because my blood pressure was reaching dangerous levels. Hated this with the energy of a thousand suns.

Anonymous 7:09 AM  

The idea of this was pretty cool. But it is not a modern version it is just goofy. It might has well have been called a drunk version or a silly version. In which case the whole premise would have stuck. It would have been a clever i idea if executed well. The only thing modern was finishing on YUNG GRAVY. Which by the way left a bitter taste in my mouth. Cue the groans.

kitshef 7:11 AM  

Rex is far too kind today.

A puzzle seemingly designed to irritate me personally. I finished correctly, but the 34A/30D cross was a complete wild guess. Terrible decision by the editors to cross two names, especially given that 34A didn't need to be one.

Worse yet, it is basically quote quiz - the lowest form of theme.

And on Thursday, when we look forward to a delightful twist and instead get this.

Also ... YUNG? It would have been so easy to redo that corner to avoid another name in the grid.

Alice Pollard 7:14 AM  

REX... I agree, this is the worst POS puzzle of the year. And on a Thursday? the best day of the week. how did this pass muster? I googled JP SMOOVE, I thought his name was SMOOth. but by that time I didn't give a crap, I wanted this done. I finished w one error. I had ONEwAY instead of ONEWAY. I have nothing good to say about this puzzle. Yuck. I need a shower

kitshef 7:15 AM  

I will, however, defend PEG. Often used in baseball as a synonym for 'throw',

Darren 7:19 AM  

I hated it too. Awful puzzle.

Smith 7:23 AM  

Just ugh. The poem is so beautiful and this just DISSES it. And not the right kind of trickery for a Thursday. Ima help myself to some of Anon 6:32's popcorn and wait on Lewis

Anonymous 7:24 AM  

“Hey Frosty! Want some snow, man?” Being reminded of that bit from The Simpsons was the only thing that brought me joy while doing this wreck of a puzzle. (a youtube search for “krusty robert frost” will show you what I’m talking about, you’ll laugh I promise)

B. Giamatti 7:28 AM  

In baseball, PEG is a term for a strong and accurate throw: to a base to get a base runner out, or from the outfield to the infield to hold runners on base.

Without PEGS, there is no baseball. Without baseball, there is no America. And without America, there are no New Hampshire woods for Robert Frost to stop by while he freezes his ass off before telling his horse: "Giddyup."

Liveprof 7:34 AM  

Yikes! Joe O'Neill must be looking for Saddam Hussein's hiding hole to jump into right about now.

I saw the puzzle's version of the poem as a de-poetizing of it: Stripping the beauty out of it and just saying -- the guy's hanging out in the woods, his horse wants to move on, he's got stuff to do so he moves on. An attempt at humor rather than a serious "modern reimagining," IMO. In this light, I liked it. Looking forward to Lewis's take.

Too bad the EYEPATCH was crossed by a CANARY and not a parrot.

Anonymous 7:34 AM  

Not surprisingly, the New York Times is not good at humor.

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

Rex has identified the problems with the theme. There just was nothing modern or clever or amusing about the paraphrase, except for maybe the GIDDYUP.

Anonymous 7:39 AM  

As much as I hate this puzzle, and I do, PEG is a legit term for a good hard throw in baseball “Ichiro pegs to third and nails the runner.”

Lewis 7:40 AM  

Well, I’ve read several Frost poems over the decades, but never closely.

So, when I saw that today’s theme was a reparsing of a Frost poem, I knew it wouldn’t help my solving. Also, as those four unclued spanners meant that this was going to be like a quotation crossword, I knew I would have to fill in those spanners exclusively through context and crosses.

Therefore, I approached this as simply a puzzle, a grid to fill in, a grid with a challenging theme. As it turns out, there were also challenges from the rest of the grid, due to no-knows and devilish cluing.

Thus, a glory day for my brain’s work ethic, topped by grins at how silly the reparsed poem read. Especially, “I HAVE A LOT TO DO. GIDDY UP!” I just may remember that because there are times in my life when that line would be perfect.

SO out-of-the-box, Joe, your puzzle. I love “different” and I love cracking riddles, so I’m a fan. No idea what you can follow this up with, but you can be sure I’ll be eagerly diving into it. Congratulations on your debut, which I adored!

Chris 7:40 AM  

This one was destined to be polarizing, but I really enjoyed this puzzle and literally laughed out loud when GIDDYUP fell into place. It was a refreshing change of pace and reminiscent of the multi-line "quip" puzzles of years past. Nicely done, Joe!

Lewis 7:40 AM  

To today's poem, which, as I just said, I adored:

HOW DO I LOVE THEE
LET ME CALCULATE

JJK 7:46 AM  

An insult to a beautiful poem, and just dumb and a waste of a crossword puzzle. Several of the names were utterly unknown to me and of course one needed just about every cross to figure out the “reimagining”.

Peter P 7:47 AM  

I dunno. I found the reduction of Frost's beautifully serene and hypnotically iambic poem to a handful of matter-of-fact sentences as if a flippant high student were summarizing it to be absurdly amusing. I'm not sure I'd call it a "modern reimagining," though.

Faster than a usual Thursday for me, but got a little slowed down in the SE, with keg for URN (though I suppose a keg doesn't come with a tap, you attach it after-the-fact to it), blanking for the longest time on PEG, and having a WOE on YUNG Gravy. (Though looking up "Mr. Clean" by him, I did have a good chuckle.) Also had "agar" for "Culture setters" instead of LABS.

Not the biggest Steely Dan fan, but I appreciate the link to "Peg," one of their songs that I love. Rick Marotta's drumming on that always sends me -- so tasteful and pocket. Also, it took me years to realize that the verse chord progression is just a 12-bar-blues progression processed through Donald Fagan's jazzy brain.





Anonymous 7:48 AM  

When I google [peg throw] the first suggestion offered by predictive text is “peg throwing up” which tells me exactly how good that PEG clue is 🤮

Stuart 7:54 AM  

I agree with Lewis. Loved it.

I’m never as down on a puzzle as Rex is, and I really liked this one. I know the poem backwards and forwards, and I remember frost reading some poem at Kennedy’s inauguration, so this brought a smile to my heart.

Danny 8:00 AM  

Hey, y’all:

This appears to be a debut puzzle, so, if it’s not to your liking, at least be kind! Let’s show would-be veteran constructors that we are a courteous bunch.

I can’t remember a puzzle who used poem reimagining as a theme, so I appreciate the new spin.

I’ll take new types of themes over reused themes any day. We need some rethinking of puzzles in some ways. And I’m glad for a new constructor voice; we need more.

Thanks for the puzzle and fresh take!

Wanderlust 8:00 AM  

Oops, that was supposed to go on Anonymous’ 6:32 comment.

Conrad 8:04 AM  


Easy-Medium solving "Downs-Only Lite" (i.e., not reading the clues for the long acrosses.

Luke before LEIA at 16A
ioTa before MoTE before MITE at 35A
HARhar before HARDLY at 47D
tAd before DAB at 57D

RAS Tafari (8D), MAMA Africa (34A), J.B. Smoove (30D) and YUNG Gravy (66A) were WOEs but fairly crossed.

Anonymous 8:05 AM  

Nobody has plausibly defended “modern.” It makes no sense. None. How is this “modern?”

Dr.A 8:07 AM  

Horrid mess of a puzzle. Thanks for telling it like it is.
I almost just stopped doing it but again, it’s mostly just to get to the good part, your write up!

jammon 8:07 AM  

Absolutely agree...complete tripe.

Danny 8:09 AM  

Re: “Modern”

I think it’s “modern” because the new poet doesn’t have any time to stop and look at the falling snow—they’re in a constant rush, whereas the original poet opted to linger and take time and rest in nature’s unfolding beauty.

ncmathsadist 8:12 AM  

Just plain UGH. Awful cluing and obscure names. And don't get me started on PEG.

R. Henderson 8:14 AM  

@ Anonymous (7:39 am)

I have to strongly, though politely, disagree.

The third baseman missed the tag. Totally. The runner slid in under it. Watch the replay. In SloMo.

Anonymous 8:14 AM  

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ORIGINAL POEM IS THAT HE HAS TO GO BECAUSE HE HAS SHIT TO DO. NO TIME TO STOP! READ THE ACTUAL POEM!!!

JD 8:14 AM  

A reimagining of a poem into social commentary in a crossword. Modern take, why stop and contemplate natural beauty or ponder death? Too busy.

Loved it, a lot of nice things. Blossoms, Ocean, Woods, Ebony, Choirs .. Bon Mot. Then ACK, there's the Sewer - Giddyup - Nasal.

Favorite clue was Culture Setters because I didn't fall for the evil question mark misdirect (really though, thanks to Lei).

Knew Smoove but not Yung. Great first NYT puzzle.

H. Gunn 8:24 AM  

I did not particularly enjoy the puzzle. But I was not offended by it, either.

In defense of "modern," my take is that the constructor is mimicing the clipped bare-bones text of social media (e.g., the social media formally known as Twitter) where the number of characters are limited and ideas are expressed in pithy phrases - as if the constructer is imagining Frost in this day bent over his phone composing the poem for social media.

That sounds pretty modern to me.

PH 8:25 AM  

There are numerous summaries of movies/books using 3 sentences or less.

Wizard of Oz: Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first person she meets and then teams up with three strangers to kill again.

Walden: Man sits outside for two years. Nothing happens.

They are intended to be humorous, like today's theme. GIDDY UP was the punchline -- I was expecting to see a picture of Kramer. Nice to learn the etymologies of Dalai Lama and Rastafari (Ras: leader/king/lord + Tafari, Haile Selassie's birth name). I actually liked the puz. :)

Bob Mills 8:28 AM  

A peg is a throw on a baseball diamond. The criticism here is wrong.

I got everything except the NORTH, because I couldn't get WHOSEWOODS (these were). Otherwise I thought the puzzle was OK, and am a bit surprised at the chorus of contempt I''m reading.

Rita Flynn 8:32 AM  

As the late, great Roger Ebert might have said, I hated, hated, hated, hated, hated this puzzle. SO MUCH BAD here.

Mr. Grumpypants 8:36 AM  

Horrible.

Anonymous 8:39 AM  

Know this poem by heart- my mom's favorite- but had trouble with latter part of theme, especially giddyup. Theme clever but ending could have been better.

Medium solve otherwise. Had to resort to alphabet to get SMOOVE/MAMA to cue the music.

Overall one thumb up, looking for more from Joe


Ted 8:40 AM  

Connected long Across answers forming a huge sentence (or set of sentences) is rarely going to be my favorite thing. If you know the thing they want: fine, you can probably fill in a ton of squares. If not: good luck, all crosses!

But this? A completely invented new set of sentences? Not even knowable? Oh lord. This hurt. Just a long struggle. THESEAREMYHORSE, oof. All the oof.

mmorgan 8:40 AM  

The theme answer “poem” is bizarre, clunky, off-putting, and unpleasant. I was sure Rex would hate hate hate this but he actually was fairly restrained.

Loved the Right Guard ad!

Also loved seeing JB SMOOVE, a total yummy gimme.

What a bizarre puzzle!

Ted 8:40 AM  

Connected long Across answers forming a huge sentence (or set of sentences) is rarely going to be my favorite thing. If you know the thing they want: fine, you can probably fill in a ton of squares. If not: good luck, all crosses!

But this? A completely invented new set of sentences? Not even knowable? Oh lord. This hurt. Just a long struggle. THESEAREMYHORSE, oof. All the oof.

Anon 8:42 AM  

Kind of liked the puzzle because that's my favorite poem. However, I always thought it was "betwixt" the woods and frozen lake, not "between". If I could go back in time ,I'd tell Robert Frost to use "betwixt" and maybe the poem would be more famous.

Sdrawkcab 8:44 AM  

Puzzles like this make me think of some snooty Upper West Side-type, sitting in their leather chair in the study surrounded by ugly-but-expensive modern art pieces, sipping their 4th glass of French wine as they say "of course, who *hasn't* read Frost? It's a perfectly contemporary reference. Now where's the maid? There's a smudge on the glass on my desk."

Whenever anyone complains about the NYT crossword being out-of-touch and elitist, they'll point to this puzzle as a prime example.

Anonymous 8:48 AM  

The original poet does stop. The new poet does not.

Anonymous 8:51 AM  

The best part of doing this puzzle was knowing I had Rex’s takedown to look forward to once I finished it!

burtonkd 8:53 AM  

I thought this would make the whole scenario modern, i.e. electric cars instead of horses, phone message notification interrupting thoughts of suicide, etc. This was just a terse rewording with no payoff until GIDDYUP, which was a nice touch.

I always wondered if JBSMOOVE and Smoove B Love Man were the same person. The latter had(has?) a column in The Onion for years.

I think anon 8:14 has nailed the "modern internet social media comments" re-imagining. Lots of yelling while missing the nuanced meaning.

Hmm, even in the baseball usage, is the PEG the actual throw or the act of getting someone out or holding them on base? You can also PEG someone like ELF with the snowball hitting the escaping kid. i.e. you PEG someone by the act of throwing.

SATS may be coming back to many schools, as they have found that despite noted potential for continuing inequities, they are a better tool than most others at giving everyone a fair shake. Getting rid of them actually often leads to lower diversity.

16D was obviously going to refer to Henry VIII, but the singular "subject" clue leading to plural "WIVES" answer was jarring. I wanted that IV to be some kind of roman numeral.



pabloinnh 8:54 AM  

I know this poem very well but failed to read the themers sequentially and with the proper punctuation so the whole summary never fell into place. Oh well.

I did encounter both SMOOVE and YUNG for the first time. Can't believe I won't see these crossword-friendly folks again.

Agree with others that PEG = "throw". This may be an age thing.

If different is your thing, this one was for you. I prefer the original.

Interesting idea, JO. I will Join Others in congratulating you on your debut and hope your next one is a little more up my alley. Thanks for some fun, at least.

Andy Freude 8:55 AM  

I loved this humorous reimagining of a familiar poem. (Any candidates for a MORE familiar poem that isn’t doggerel?) Really good stuff for a Thursday theme. Very well done!

That said, the fill was clotted with obscure PPP (SMOOVE, YUNG) that made the solve too much of a slog.

Ever have that experience where a puzzle seems to take forever to solve, and at the end you find that it took below your average time? That’s a sign that it’s lacking an element of fun.

@Peter P, thanks so much for pointing out the 12-bar blues verse in “Peg,” I’ve heard that song a thousand times without ever noticing. Sweet!

Victoria 9:00 AM  

I love Robert Frost; I was amused; I actually enjoyed this -- although I agree about "peg."

Van D.R. Bilt 9:02 AM  

Except Sdrawkcab (8:44am).....

Every elitist I know has been instructed from childhood to disdain and dismiss Robert Frost. The wine shop won't sell you that French wine if you like Frost, and the furnishers will surely foist faux leather upon you should they see a collection of Frost poems on your (pine) bookshelves.

gfrpeace 9:05 AM  

I finished with two blank spaces, the YUNG-PEG cross and the cross of SNOT-SMOOVE. I thought an impudent person might be a SNiT. At least in the universe where a LAB was a culture-setter.

Anonymous 9:11 AM  

I'm a high school English teacher, love Frost, really enjoyed the puzzle. I think if it had been clued as "banal reimagining of a Frost poem" or "limited" or "unpoetic," it would have irritated people who know the poem less. My sense was that the superficiality of it was the point, which is why it amused me. I spend all day listening to students complain about the "pointless" complexity of language, imagery and meaning in literature, so this felt like a spoof of that attitude. Ironically, in the '90s I read Frost in a "Modern American Poetry" class; the word "modern" when associated with poetry is - or at least was then - often used to designate 20th century writers whose work might now be over a century old. By that standard, the original poem is already modern, so that also might have annoyed some folks. Still, it made me laugh, and I liked trying to figure out exactly how pedestrian each line would be as I filled it in from the downs. The "giddyup" at the end was a great payoff.

Anonymous 9:12 AM  

That so nails it. Where’s everybody’s sense of humor this morning?

RooMonster 9:15 AM  

Hey All !
*This* close to a correct solve. Not being a poem person, I had no idea of the actual poem, or the "Reimagined" one here. I ended up with I KNOW WHerE WOODS, making no sense to me. Also, the silly brain was reading each 15 as a standalone line, making the whole thing a Huh? I thought maybe the "Reimagining" meant moving words around. Once I hit Check Puzzle, and saw it was WHOSE instead of WHerE, then the ole brain finally saw and read the poem correctly. Amazing how one word can change the meaning of something.

Had a tough time on this one, as every time it seemed I didn't know an answer, it crossed the "Reimagining", and of course didn't know that. Was amazingly able to finish, albeit with that mistake. And the little SE corner was last to fill, with the actual last square (G) filled in last. That's quite odd (for me).

anyDAY-ONEDAY
buYnow-buYONE-TRYONE
PouR-PORE
TEMPo-TEMPI
hemS-MOWS
tell-BLAB
dIrty-PILED

We get LEI and LEIA. Har.

Thursday. Have a great one!

No F's (TOSH!)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Jim 9:15 AM  

Familiar with the poem but I would like a tricky puzzle to make unambiguous sense when I finally catch the gimmick. This did not; the chosen phrasing was arbitrary and so could not be uniquely sussed, and relied pretty completely on crosses. So clever, I guess, to fit this paraphrase of the poem into the puzzle, but only clever and not much part of the puzzle for me. I had to win the crosses and the themer didn't at some point help, as I would have expected.

Katie Sievers 9:17 AM  

I always like to share my love of a poem by changing the words to a summary of the point. Feels most respectful to me.

SMH.

Druid 9:17 AM  

Well…as Kramer says: “Giddy-up!”

NY Composer 9:20 AM  

Hated it.

BlueStater 9:22 AM  

Rarely does even the worst of puzzles entirely lack a redeeming quality. But this one does. It is beyond my understanding how any editor could sit back from this mess and say "Fine. Publish it."

PaulyD 9:24 AM  

So bad, words fail me.

Wish they'd failed the constructor.

Anonymous 9:25 AM  

Sdrawkcab, Robert Frost is about as elitist as Olive Garden, but you do you.

dragoo 9:25 AM  

I can count on one finger the number of times that Rex's reaction to a puzzle has been exactly mine. This is the one. My goodness.

Robin Ford Wallace 9:26 AM  

I knew you would hate this and looked forward the whole puzzle to your rant. You did not disappoint! You forgot to say it was an insult to Thursday, though. Thank you for defending poetry!

Anonymous 9:28 AM  

I agree with you. The puzzle was charming.

Anonymous 9:35 AM  

As disappointing as this is, let’s maybe consider the possibility that someone other than Mr. Shortz was put in the position of unexpectedly editing, given his recent medical incident. We can probably expect uneven games content for the foreseeable future, and this will teach you to appreciate the Editor for his steady hand.

Anonymous 9:39 AM  

This puzzle has a light-hearted goofiness not appreciated by some puzzle fans (see above). At 79, I probably should be crankier than I am, but thank God I don't take crosswords too seriously. For me, it was a joy. Glad I'm me. A fun puzzle.

Canon Chasuble 9:41 AM  

Sorry, Rex, but I thought this was a funny, quirky, often brilliant puzzle, and its solve (except for clues I am clueless about: Gravy and Smoove) was fairly routine and easy. Frost's poem is pretty well known, to be sure, but I am not annoyed by the parody of the first line. A re-imagining is just that, however, and the other three lines just fell into place using a combination of cross-answers and just plain laughing at the final answers. Giddyup was actually a given, in that I put "peg" in as one of my answers. Yes, this took time to write out (in pen as usual) but it was NOT the usual
Thursday slog. "I like New England Men, their Women now and then. As poets they're the most, but especially Robert Frost." Now THERE'S a rhyme (not original with me) that can be reckoned with!

Paula 9:45 AM  

This was bonkers, and not in a good way. The themers were word salads, with no cohesion to, idk, basic language rules?

The themers didn't have a common strand, and it ended up feeling like a guessing game I was forced into, trying to guess what one crossword constructor might create out of a fever dream or shroom trip.

prandolph 9:45 AM  

my only disappointment in reading the comments was not hearing the THUD as Nancy throws her paper ahainst the wall.

Atropos Limbo 9:47 AM  

I took the unexpected Giddyup to heart and welcomed the Dawn full of Energy.

Bartlett 9:50 AM  

the puzzle also suffers from starting with the single-worst NYTXW conceit: the extended verse/quote. they don't run it as much as they used to, but it still sucks.

Peter P 9:57 AM  

To join the chorus @Sdrawkcab, if you think the inclusion of Robert Frost is elitist, than any poet is elitist. I went to grammar school in a working class neighborhood here in Chicago in the 80s, and we learned his poems in 7th and 8th grade. He, at least at the time, was pretty much THE introduction to English-language poetry in general because his work was, at a surface level, quite accessible and followed traditional poetic conventions like meter and rhyme, and served as a solid springboard for teaching symbol, metaphor, imagery, interpretation, prosody, etc. I still remember the first time I read "The Road Not Taken" and how that poem has shifted its meaning to me over time.

Plus this is the New York Times. I would a Frost clue/reference wouldn't even be out-of-bounds for a TV Guide crossword.

Anonymous 10:01 AM  

“(You can peg someone in other ways, but we'll save that discussion for ... maybe never).”

C’mon, Rex, don’t be such a prude

Anonymous 10:02 AM  

Don’t get yourself deep into NSFW material by googling “peg.” To throw hard and straight is to “peg” the ball, or it works as a noun, a hard straight throw is a “peg.” As a kid we said it a lot. It’s a strictly baseball term, and evidently Rex did not grow up playing baseball.

Anonymous 10:08 AM  

I'm so glad it's not just me. What a shit puzzle.

Sam 10:21 AM  

Just bizarre

jb129 10:24 AM  

I always come here first to see what Rex rates a puzzle. Today I noticed that there were 86 comments before 10:30 am! I thought it might be an AES puzzle (my least favorite constructor). So I read on ....

Having done so, I may not even bother.

Anonymous 10:25 AM  

Don’t blame the constructor for this mess - some people are just not meant to be able to construct a crossword. It’s Shortz and his crew. What were they thinking? That’s the puzzle today.

Tom T 10:26 AM  

In the "will Rex like or hate this one" arena, I thought the only possibility of "like" would be because it fell into his "go large or go home" category. (Which is kinda indicated by his tepid approval of the wacky "GIDDYUP" ending.

Perhaps PEG is a regional thing--growing up in the South, it could mean to hit a runner with the ball to get the runner out but its primary meaning was a throw.

As I slogged my way through to the bottom third of the puzzle and, like Rex, saw that bizarre string of letters begin to form ALOTTODOGIDD ... I thought, "Oh, hell, the entire last line is going to be texting appreviations!" Now that would have been a true modern reimagining.

I do agree with those who have written that the word "modern" in this case is not meant to apply to poetry, but to modern life and the ever shortening attention span of so many "modern" folks. Who has time, the constructor mockingly asks, for some old poem that's--omg--4 stanzas long!

I get that--and I still fall into the possibly worst puzzle of the year so far group. Bring out your Friday puzzle, nyt.

EasyEd 10:31 AM  

Wow, this puzzle stirred a lot of early commentary. Unlike @Rex and seemingly most of the readers, I actually started with the southeast and had GIDDYUP very quickly after it was clear GIDDYaP would not work. Weird how the mind works. So then backed up getting the other lines with the help of a few crosses and gradually (very gradually) filled in the rest of the puzzle. Like many had to check spelling of SMOOVE and YUNG to be sure. As a former English major learned that Frost poems have many layers that give them such wide appeal, so I think he might have appreciated this humorous truncation of his already brief poem.

beverly c 10:33 AM  

The woods in winter aren’t dead and they didn’t kill themselves! They, and the snow coming down, are beautiful, and peaceful and asleep! My take on the original is that it’s about love. Love of nature and its beauty - affection for the horse, the oneness a peaceful scene like that evokes in a receptive heart, and the higher priority - those for whom promises are kept. Maybe a final rest far in the future, if you must. Fatigue, okay. Frost longs to do himself in? Not in my universe! But, poetry speaks to each of us uniquely.

As for the puzzle - I'm not a fan of quote puzzles generally, but I didn’t hate this. It took some time, due to unfamiliar PPP. There were places where I just had to put in a possible answer and hope it didn’t lead me too far astray.
i.e. Hems to Cuts to MOWS. Scion to Union to OCEAN.

There were BLOSSOMS when I thought it had to be Blows Out! Nice. Also EYEPATCH. And then GIDDYUP - I couldn’t believe it was right when I had the DOGID either.

I hope folks haven’t discouraged the constructor too much.

Anonymous 10:35 AM  

Peg is well clued if you watch baseball, where that’s a common word for a hard straight shortish throw

Anonymous 10:35 AM  

I'm sorry, I still don't think I understand the theme. It's just a basic summary of a... four-stanza poem? There's barely anything to summarize. If an entire epic could be reasonably condensed into two or three sentences, that would be interesting and worth a theme. But I really don't see what this particular puzzle is even trying to get at.

Airymom 10:38 AM  

First thing every morning I do Wordle (got it in 2 today), Connections (got in in 4) and then Letter Boxed (the goal was 6 words, and it took me 4). So, I'm thrilled, this is a great day, especially since a few days ago, I lost at Wordle.

Then I get excited about the puzzle, because today's Thursday and there's always something creative and challenging.

Not today. How bad was this puzzle?---like milk that went sour a week ago.

Anonymous 10:39 AM  

Yeah, this puzzle sucked big time.

Anonymous 10:40 AM  

Yes! I love the poem and learned it by heart over 50 years ago and I thought the efficient but ludicrously unpoetic “modern” version was hilarious.

Anonymous 10:40 AM  

It's a haiku, with "GiddyUp" tacked on the end. I liked it.

Anonymous 10:41 AM  

A Righteous Rex Rant!!! Thank you.

Ando 10:46 AM  

Agree that "modern" in the theme clue ended up making no sense. I thought it would be satirical and the last line would have a mention of Facebook or a cel phone or something, but no, zero payoff really. Why not just say it's a paraphrase? I liked it but that part of the clue wasn't good.

And PEG being clued as "throw" is just dumb. It's one of those clues where you leave it til last and are surprised when the app says you're successful.

Anonymous 10:49 AM  

I dunno, I thought it was enjoyable and I'm surprised at all the hate. No disrespect to Robert Frost, but it's funny to take a work of art and strip it to its bare bones, taking away the things that make it poetry/

Rich Glauber 10:49 AM  

I thought the theme wasn't great, not quite sure what the idea was, some kind of 'slacker' take on poetry? Beavis and Butthead parse Robert Frost? I actually had a square wrong up top, at first had 'I know these woods' then changed it to 'I know those woods' and never got to 'WHOSE WOODS' So technically a DNF.

But it wasn't the worst puzzle ever, and it doesn't deserve the ganging up hatred that it received. I feel for a constructor who did his best, got published and then maybe came to this site to see how it went over, only to be ridiculed mercilessly. Not a good luck from the readership IMO

Nancy 10:52 AM  

What have you done to Robert Frost?
His words are jumbled -- tempest-tossed!
They make no sense; they leave us lost!
What have you done to Robert Frost?

He doesn't need improving, Joe!
"Stopping by Woods" has grace and flow,
So why you've done this, I don't know --
He doesn't need improving, Joe!

He can't protest because he's dead.
So I'm complaining in his stead.
The words he wrote, the words he bled
Are not your words to take and shred.

So stick to what you know the best:
The "SMOOVE"s and "U"s and all the rest.
And make your silly nonsense cease,
And let poor Robert rest in peace!


Anonymous 10:52 AM  

I’ve been watching baseball all my life and never heard a throw referred to as a “peg.” I’ve heard of pegging a runner (as in hit them with the ball) but never just a normal throw.

Anonymous 10:53 AM  

I liked it too! Just the right amount of “hmmm…” for a Thursday. I know the poem but looked it up to remind myself & laughed at the end of the puzzle. Entertaining!

Joe Dipinto 10:53 AM  

Maybe it was LEIA sitting over in the corner, but at first I thought the poem had been translated into a kind of Yoda-speak (which the Times would probably consider "modern"), and I started the quote with I KNOW THESE WOODS WHOSE ARE. Ultimately it was so silly that it was kind of funny. I think @Anon 9:11 PEGged it. I wouldn't exactly say I *liked* it – the joke would have better effect outside the context of a crossword puzzle.

Hey, here's the perfect song! These guys just came up in the comments yesterday:
And you read your Emily Dickinson
And I my Robert Frost...
Like a poem poorly written
We are verses out of rhythm
Couplets out of rhyme...

Anonymous 10:58 AM  

Complete Natick moment at the crossing of MAMA/SMOOVE. Never heard of either one and, while MAMA seems perfectly reasonable in retrospect, SMOOVE was so bizarre that I wondered whether it might be some sort of foreign word such as MALA or MANA or MAIA, etc.

PEG and YUNG were both awful as well, but at least there really wasn't any option other than that final "G" at their crossing.

Whatsername 10:59 AM  

What on earth? Not only was this an unpleasant crossword puzzle, it was an insult to Robert Frost. To borrow @Southside Johnny’s logic, if you don’t know the poem, the theme entries just become indecipherable nonsensical phrases. But really, there is so little factual correlation to the poem that it really doesn’t matter whether you know it or not. It still comes out as indecipherable nonsense.

I see this is the constructor’s debut and I hate to rain on his parade, but this was just regrettable.

beverly c 11:03 AM  

Yay Nancy!

Joseph Michael 11:05 AM  

@Nancy, bravo!

Kate Esq 11:11 AM  

I agree with RP here - trying to guess at someone else’s (poor) paraphrasing of a poem as the central conceit of a puzzle is painful to parse, and clues for things like the pre regal name of Haile Selassie (Ras Tafari) as crossings are not helping matters. Also Smoove. Blech all around.

Made in Japan 11:14 AM  

When I saw the clue for 17-A, I was tempted to stop right there. I have always found "part 1/2/3/4" puzzles to be particularly tedious. Even if it's good, all you get is one theme answer spread out over an entire grid. Since the NYT had chosen to run a type of puzzle that they thankfully rarely do anymore, I hoped it might be a particularly exceptional example of the genre. It was not. Others have already detailed the various problems with the puzzle, and IHAVEALOTTODOGIDDYUP, so I won't waste any more time.

For Joe's sake, I'm glad there were some that liked it.

Anonymous 11:18 AM  

This puzzle should have been a road not taken.

Anonymous 11:22 AM  

Sometimes I find Rex a tad over harsh, but wow…I heartily agree with today’s write up and despised this puzzle. One of the worst versions of my least favorite sub genre of puzzle (Quote part 1, part 2 etc…). An exasperating exercise.

Upstate George 11:23 AM  

Nancy, thanks! The perfect response!

gfrpeace 11:25 AM  

Amen, @Nancy!

jae 11:29 AM  

Easy. I recall recently agreeing with @Nancy (I think?) that these types of puzzles are not much fun. I haven’t changed my mind. Fortunately it was easy and thus over quickly. It might have been better if it had been slightly amusing, but it wasn’t, it was stupid.

No idea - YUNG plus what @Rex said about PEG

Well done @Nancy!

haari 11:30 AM  

c'mon, Rex... tell us how you really feel!

Kevin 11:31 AM  

I don’t know the poem so hated as it meant I’d get nothing from it. It’s like having half the puzzle be name based but worse.

Despite there being other terrible clues, for some reason CEOS bugged me the most because Org Chart Figures only has one ceo in each org chart so I deliberately didn’t write that in despite being my first guess. Org charts’ figure?

Anoa Bob 11:33 AM  

I wasn't sure what the "modern" spin on Frost's classic was going for until a some earlier commenters helped me see the light. Yeah, someone with their handheld device and its constant barrage of social media, text messaging and app clicking whipping them into such a frenzy and constant sense of urgency that there's no time to stop and smell the roses (or appreciate the beauty of a snowy woods). I was not liking this reimagined version until I saw it in that context.

Theme answers need to be read not as four Across grid spanners but as four hurried lines:

I KNOW WHOSE WOODS THESE ARE.
MY HORSE IS RESTLESS.
I HAVE A LOT TO DO.
GIDDYUP!

I think there is a subtle underlying theme in this one, alluded to at the 31D EAT ME "Alice in Wonderland" clue: "I'm late, I'm late for a very important date! No time to say 'Hello, Good Bye'. I'm late, I'm late, I'm late!"



GILL I. 11:36 AM  

112 comments already and I haven't even started my coffee. The Anon's are seeming to have a lot to say....
I'll start by saying that @Nancy 10:52. saved the day!....RIP Frost.

Well, this wasn't quite the puzzle for me. I had to struggle mightily to pull answers out of a hat I don't wear. I read Frost when I was younger but I will confess that I never really understood poetry. Now if @Nancy had a book of poems, you'd bet my sweet bippy that I'd buy it. She, I understand!!!

Quote puzzles are not really my thing. I struggle anyway on Thursdays but at least make me say AHA. The cluing here is trying so hard to confuse and start a head scratching contest, that any "Amor" is left to the Divorced, Beheaded WIVES.

Are clothes in a hamper really PILED?...aren't they DIRTY? Why is 19D Featuring WITH? Who SNORTS in a barnyard? Why is the CENTER an athlete who snaps? RAS ...you're a Tafari? And why, pray tell, is Waste's way away a SEWER? Yes, I understand what you did there...I didn't get the joke.

GIDDY UP MAMA....Time to SMOOVE on.

Whatsername 11:37 AM  

@B Giamatti (7:28) Even as cross as I am over the puzzle today, I still got a good laugh out of your post. Thank you for that.

@Nancy (10:52) I’m betting a number of people were wondering, as I was, what your take would be today … other than SPLAT! I have to say it was worth waiting for. That one just might be your masterpiece.

Anonymous 11:44 AM  

What is going on at the NYT games group? Are they so busy making other random games that they publish any dreck that hits the inbox for the crossword? This may very well be the worst puzzle of all time, being both the worst theme type (the continuous quote), completely butchering the poem in a way that makes the lines completely uninferable, and being filled with random PPP that cross! I somehow finished in a normal time but it was unpleasant and if it weren't for my streak wouldn't have bothered.

Joe, your puzzle is bad and you should feel bad.

Kathy 11:53 AM  

@Nancy. Mic drop!

Gary Jugert 11:54 AM  

You know how you try to like all dogs, even the ugly dogs, the smelly dogs, the aggressive ones, and well, then there's this puzzle. Probably the first time I felt like somebody pushed me down and stole 14¢. I imagine my beloved slush pile jockey seeing RASSLE featuring a nice ASS in the middle and EAT ME (the true theme of this catastrophe) and saying, "Good enough for a Thursday." I suppose even xi would have thought a next-level editor would have lost the rough draft of this in the subway. But no such luck from that SNORTSy SNOT.

Uniclues:

1 Miniature aqueducts inside a cage inside a coal mine.
2 Post-dinnertime duty in a Mormon household.
3 Desire to get high and frisky.
4 The truth about modern naked emperors.
5 What this orchid I bought at the grocery store does.

1 CANARY SEWER
2 SORT WIVES (~)
3 DAB RASSLE ACHE (~)
4 ELITE CEOS SOSO (~)
5 HARDLY BLOSSOMS (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Gym schedule in القائم. IRAQI REC HOURS.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 11:58 AM  

What even was this puzzle? I'm appalled. Thank you Nancy for saving my morning.

Marty 11:59 AM  

If I only had a dentist appointment later on to continue the day, such a joyless puzzle.

Anonymous 12:03 PM  

I love this, Lewis! And I agree with another comment that if the puzzle used “drunk Frost” instead of “modern” (huh?) that would have made it even funnier. Haha!

Masked and Anonymous 12:05 PM  

"I no-know the words …" [M&A reimaginin, part 1]

Pretty smooth puzgrid contents, altho didn't know SMOOVE. But the crosses were fair, and one of em was the primo-bonus SNOT.

staff weeject picks: NAS & RAS. Soon to griddyup to full NASAL & RASSLE entries.

Thanx for the nice poetry-pare-down, Mr. O'Neill. And congratz on a funky-good debut. U were no doubt encouraged by @RP's review to keep crankin out more puzs … har.

Masked & Anonymo2Us


**gruntz**

Queenoid 12:12 PM  

I did not hate this.

JB 12:19 PM  

Loved it! Hilarious!

Anonymous 12:23 PM  

If AI did this piece of junk, maybe we should remember the lesson of HAL.

Anonymous 12:24 PM  

Wow Nancy. As I was reading it aloud I could feel the rhythm and flavor of the original. Just repeat the last line -
Thank you!

Robert 12:26 PM  

I found the actual "reimagining" of the poem had some charm to it.

My issue with the theme is just that it doesn't seem like a *crossword theme*. It's basically a quip puzzle (which I'm no big fan of) with no constraints. You could take any famous poem and paraphrase it in whatever way you'd like into symmetric pieces. At least with most quip puzzles, there's a fixed quote that you have to work with. Here, the constructor can paraphrase it however they want.

Even if you know the poem well, it doesn't necessarily help you solve the puzzle. It's not so much solving a puzzle as guessing at what random paraphrase the constructor has made up.

"How hard could it be?" I asked myself. The result: https://downforacross.com/beta/play/33339

JBL 12:35 PM  

@Robert: hilarious!

ac 12:39 PM  

.... upon this puzzle often drear I dreamt of puzzles we all hold dear.... this aint one of em... Ghastly is being
Generous!

SharonAK 12:41 PM  

YUCK.
I agree the giddyup was humorous.
But the paraphrasing in general was not. It played like a quote puzzle. which I've always hated.
And ??peg for throw? And Smoove - is that really a name? Some of this came fairly easily but eventually I got bored and gave up.

ChrisSaintH 12:43 PM  

If you're gonna make the across answers impossible at least give us a chance with the downs!

Oof. Yeah, easily the worst puzzle I've done in a while. I ended up coming here to grab the answers to the last 1/4 of the puzzle. Streak saved. Sorry not sorry.

SRD 12:55 PM  

Enjoyed Rex's analysis immensely. I like it when you're like this!

The puzzle was "different," to be sure. Hated it!

johnk 12:57 PM  

RANT AT SMOOVE YUNG; EAT ME HARDLY makes about as much sense as this terrible puzzle. I don't KNOW WHOSE WOODS THESE ARE and I don't care.

okanaganer 12:58 PM  

Bizarre! When the "poem" was complete I thought: I must be missing something. Well, it is something different... in a Monty Python kind of way.

MAMA crossing SMOOVE -- two completely unknown names -- Naticked me viciously. I also briefly thought Harvardians no longer wore HATS.

Nancy: you made my day.

[Spelling Bee: yd currently -1; oh whatever happened to my streak?]

jb129 1:01 PM  

There's a very easy puzzle at the NYer for those who need a Robyn W. Friday fix :) (& dare I say, a respite from today).

Tom F 1:02 PM  

Out of compassion for a debut constructor, I would say that what was off-putting about the xw was the use of the word “modern” in the theme clue. This is jarring with respect to the poem. If the clue had come right out with expectations and said “goofy” or “irreverent” I would have tolerated it much better. (And no, “modern” doesn’t work merely as a description of the paraphrase being done “today”.)

LorrieJJ 1:06 PM  

If the guy who does the daily comic Pearls Before Swine every did a crossword, this is what it would look like. It might be sorta funny as a cartoon, but for a NYT x-word, not even a little bit.

Sel 1:13 PM  

How about giving a thought to Will Shortz who is in rehab, recovering from a stroke, and probably had nothing to do with the selection of this (awful) puzzle. Get well soon, Will

egsforbreakfast 1:14 PM  

I can't believe they published that instead of the similar one I submitted. See if you can guess what this modernized version is about:

Long war fought over a dame.
Strong warrior has weak heal
Woodhorse to the rescue. GIDDYUP

Congrats on your debut, Joe O'Neill. This seems like the week to publish puzzles with very non-traditional themes. Is that because Will S. is not in the office?

Anonymous 1:16 PM  

Yes the peg answer is legitimate as indicated but, ugh, puzzle was painful to slog through

Anonymous 1:17 PM  

Fully agree with OFL except as to peg. As to peg, growing up and listening to Yankee Games on my transistor radio, it was a common substitute for throw. I can still almost hear my boyhood hero Phil Rizzuto screaming, “ and the peg to the plate, not in time.” To those Red Sox fans —Yaz was tagged at the plate and the Yankees walked off with a win. A good day. My very long winded way of say at one time peg was virtually synonymous with throw in baseball jargon.

Joe Dipinto 1:18 PM  

@Robert 12:26 – Excellent! lol

Anonymous 1:33 PM  

hard no. peg needs someone to catch the throw...for a result. no one has ever said, "here comes the outfielder's peg to third..OOhh the third basemen dropped the peg."

Dylan 1:37 PM  

I almost abandoned this puzzle with about 10% left because I was so irritated

Anonymous 1:43 PM  

i would do one more puzzle just like this just to have another giggle-fest like i did reading rex and then the first wave of commenters.. h i l a r i o u s !

anonymous @ 6.32 !! chef's kiss. truely the best comment ever.
rex was truely sharpe today.

woolf 1:44 PM  

Best thing I can say about this puzzle is that it had a Bill the Cat reference and even that seems like a mild anachronism.

LenFuego 1:49 PM  

Been watching and listening to baseball games for over 5 decades and I do not recall ever hearing the term 'peg' used as interchangeable for 'throw'. How I have heard it used is as a euphemism for recording an out through a powerful throw, almost always in verb form ... not at all the same thing.

A few examples of the use of peg:

!) "Parker pegged Henderson at third trying to stretch a double into a triple."
2) "Seaver's pick-off throw pegged Alou at first, who got caught in no-man's land on his lead."

Anonymous 1:50 PM  

Did not enjoy it for all the reasons Rex enumerated.. Made me pick up my collected poems of Robert Frost as a palate cleanser.

Eh Steve! 1:54 PM  

Yeah. That MACRO OCEAN WHOSE stack at the top was brutal.

Sailor 2:01 PM  

@Anon at 9:11 AM: Thanks, you nailed it! This "modern reimagining" perfectly captures the "Huh?" reaction of all those readers down through the years who didn't grasp and didn't care what this great poem was about. I have to think Frost himself would be roaring with laughter at this send-up of his clueless critics. Delightful! I'm with you and @Lewis all the way today.

kitshef 2:10 PM  

Peg used as a synonym for throw
https://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-report/post/_/id/19304/despite-dodgers-loss-yasiel-puigs-peg-to-third-base-was-the-story

Teedmn 2:13 PM  

I thought the "paraphrasing" was kind of fun in a goofy way. I love the original poem and have it memorized. This version does omit any mention of the weather or the need for sleep and over-summarizes the horse's reaction.

What I've always wondered about the original poem is, if the owner of the woods did happen to see him stop to watch the woods fill up with snow, would he be all old man shaking his fist, "get away from my woods"? Resting your horse on what I presume is a public road seems far from a crime.

What bothered me about the puzzle is the fill and cluing. The clues were just trying too hard at being clever. I agree with Rex on PEG especially with that YUNG cross. And pish TOSH, sure, but just TOSH? That SMOOVE sector had a lot that could go wrong, and my eeLY instead of WILY held up SEWER (I was thinking SEeps maybe?) I don't think of the bundle of clothes in the hamper as PILED but rather stuffed, jumbled, dirty, etc.

But I succeeded in finishing so I can't complain too much about the solve.

Thanks, Joe O'Neill.

Anonymous 2:26 PM  

Mary went everywhere with her white lamb. Giddyup.

JT 2:27 PM  

MAMA/SMOOVE and YUNG/PEG did me in. Otherwise I really liked it.

Curmudgeonly Cur 2:32 PM  

No, a reference to a poet like Robert Frost isn't "elitist;" it's merely literate (but maybe in dumbed-down America that's the same thing?) -- That being said, though, I still don't understand the point of this "modern reimagining" of "Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening." Are we mocking Frost's own pretentions? Are we satirizing the contemporary, Twitterized debasement of the English language? Either might be a valid theme for a crossword puzzle, but what's here seems to fall short, no matter which perspective we assign to it. Epic Fail, as far as I'm concerned.

Whatsername 2:38 PM  

@beverly c (10:33) I enjoyed reading your interpretation of this achingly beautiful composition, long among my favorites.

@Anonymous (1:50) I did exactly the same thing, leafing thru and stopping at those most cherished - God’s Garden, Putting In The Seed, Reluctance and of course, The Road Not Taken.

Anonymous 2:55 PM  

I saw MAMA SMOOVE open for YUNG PEG at MSG last year. Amazing.

Gary Jugert 2:57 PM  

@Nancy 10:52 AM
+1 You be SMOOVE.

BrianK 3:06 PM  

Hopefully no sleeper KGB agents were triggered by this puzzle. Pretty much my main association with the poem.

Anonymous 3:08 PM  

All you no-peggers are just dead wrong. In olden days we often heard “ the runner is tagging up. Here comes the peg to the plate “
Nancy, great poetic parody. Brava

Anonymous 3:11 PM  

I'm now pleased with the existence of this crossword solely because it incited the existence of this comment.

Anonymous 3:13 PM  

Large language models (the thing we're calling AI, which isn't anything near actual artificial intelligence) are not capable of constructing a crossword.

Dave J 3:19 PM  

I always read Rex when I hated the puzzle, and he rarely disappoints! couldn't agree more today, though.

Anonymous 3:28 PM  

Yup, reading the myriad comments here made this painful puzzle a veritable laugh riot, although if Beavis & Butt-head were all aboard they would’ve ended it “Giddyup, we gotta go score”

Anonymous 3:29 PM  

I hope will feels better soon!!!!

Anonymous 4:18 PM  

Agree with the general consensus. Just came to say Ras Tafari was obvious and easy for me but my family has significant ties to Jamaica and I’ve spent much of my life there.

Pauper Poet 4:19 PM  

Whose woods are these? Siri says she lives in town. Can I pause to watch the snow come down? Perhaps not; cameras on the fence posts lurk. The whir of my Prius could set them to work. So to the rutted road we’ll keep. I’ve TikToks to post before I sleep.

Anonymous 4:24 PM  

Probably the worst NYT xword ever. Even the constructors mom could not have enjoyed that. No clue how that was published.

Anonymous 4:24 PM  

My first fail in months - and I didn’t even get close. I assumed he was well known in the US, but with so many English authors and poets to study in school (so long ago I can barely remember) I’ve never even *heard* of Robert Frost, let alone memorised his poems…
Had nowhere near enough crosses to help, especially not knowing any of the “celebrities”
Terrible

Tom P 4:37 PM  

This was a slog to get through, but I have to side with those who were amused by this unpoetic take on the Robert Frost classic. When I finished, i was exhausted. But I had to laugh.

Anonymous 4:45 PM  

Open up the 1985 American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition, and you you will find this definition: "7. A low and fast throw made to put a baserunner out." Google becomes less reliable with each passing day.

andrew 4:53 PM  

Like most others (except those named Lewis, whose indefatigable insistence on finding the positive is getting annoying - just kidding, Lewis, your sunniness offsets the surliness of OFL and most commenters, including me), HATED this bizarro take on a Frost poem I’d mostly forgotten (except for the redundant last line).

My newfound “turn ON auto check*”mentality allowed this to be done mercifully quickly, then went to the archives for some xword relief. Unfortunately, fell upon Friday 2/11/94 which featured a “quip, part 1-4”.

Hopefully, Mr. Shortz is recovering well, but please, to Will and his inevitable successors, no more quips or quote puzzles. Classic or “modern”, they (to use a “modern reimagining” term for Electrolux) SUCK!

* You know what would REALLY help my times? An autocorrect setting! Play with the confidence that you’ll never fill in a wrong letter. Might hurt the mental challenge factor though…

Nancy 4:55 PM  

Thanks to all who said such lovely things about my poem. It makes me feel very happy and I really appreciate it.

But there were SO many entertaining comments on the blog today: it was a pleasure to read it from top to bottom. Even people praising the puzzle did so in a way that was interesting and amusing.

Thought For The Day: Sometimes a truly awful puzzle can a produce an exceptionally colorful blog.

Anonymous 5:00 PM  

You can look this up in a dictionary, and yes, you will need to look past definition one, but you will find it defined specifically to a low, hard baseball throw designed to get a runner out.

Anonymous 5:26 PM  

I haven’t read this blog in a long time, but this puzzle was so maddening, I had to see what everyone thought! Rex’s outrage and the communal groan give me comfort.

Anonymous 5:36 PM  

@Anonymous 3:13pm: as someone who builds infrastructure for training LLMs: first, LLMs by most reasonable definitions are absolutely AI. They are not *general* AI, but they are definitely AI (we’ve had AI in some form or another for decades, maybe longer depending on your definition).

As for generating crosswords… are you sure of that? Honestly, generating a mostly-correct crossword seems like a pretty trivial task for a modern LLM. It’d probably take a few days to gather the data and get the syntax right for the prompt, but the task itself isn’t particularly complicated.

Anonymous 5:38 PM  

As someone who watches hundreds of games a year… I have never heard “peg” used in that way. It may happen sometimes, but is certainly not common.

Maybe there’s one announcer for your team who uses it? Otherwise, not really.

BobL 5:55 PM  

Wow. What a commentariat

58 Anons

B$ 6:02 PM  

I thought the puzzle was absolutely brilliant.
I could see it being very tough for someone who was unfamiliar with the original, but that poem is such a part of the American canon that there's really no excuse to not know it.

Sometimes I think rex gets unduly upset when he comes across a puzzle that is so creative and out of the box that his only response is to trash it. Today was no exception.

JBSMOOVE is by far the best thing about Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Visho 6:12 PM  

I, too, liked it. It was different. Remembered the first line of the poem and went from there. I sometimes think those who can't figure out what is going on or don't know an answer blame the puzzle and not themselves. Don't let them discourage you, Mr. O'Neill.

Anonymous 7:01 PM  

Omg the “poem” was unbearably awful, especially “giddyup” (the poem is about DEATH for crying out lot. And he never actually leaves in the poem). I also went in thinking of would be “The Road Not Taken” (not Stopping by Woods in a Snowy Evening) since that’s by far more well known.

I remember NY Magazine used to have the crossword done by Maura B Jacobson, and she had *so many* fun, punny phrases and even poems that rhymed (I still remember one: “If El Greco tried art deco / and Van Gogh kept his cool / If Mona Lisa went to Pisa / and found life for her was cruel / an artsy soul would enroll / in a paper hanging school”). So punny! And cute! And super long phrases! And it means something! She’s rollimh over in her grave at this monstrosity that doesn’t even make sense. Might be the worst crossword I’ve ever done (and I don’t even *like* Robert Frost).

Also the fact that “modern” did not include something cute like a GPS or Google Maps was just a missed opportunity.

Anonymous 7:14 PM  

A “paraphrase” of a poem for those who dislike poetry…or who imagine that a poem is only about what its narrative or story, and since that’s usually not very interesting, what is there to like??? Way to go, let’s encourage the cultivation of tin ears…

Bronwyn 8:15 PM  

I thought this one was hilarious! But I've known the poem since I was a kid. Was not expecting it to be so unpopular! I feel like the "Giddyup" is paraphrasing the last two lines. He's got miles to go before he sleeps... better get a move on. Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me. Just hope the constructor knows at least a few people liked it a lot. :-)

Anonymous 9:00 PM  

Loved this puzzle, thought it was so odd and funny!

Anonymous 9:07 PM  

Finding myself compelled to comment for the first time as a reaction against all the grumpiness (even though grumpiness is what I come here for)! Standing with the fans of the puzzle—as Bronwyn says, I hope the constructor knows some of us liked it! I found this pretty easy for a Thursday, enjoyed the last bits falling into place, and when I read the whole paraphrase through I actually chuckled aloud. As an erstwhile English major who likes the poem, I happen to think this is not disrespectful or philistine—just fun. Anyway, part of the magic of boiling things down to their barest bones (“how do I love you? Eight different ways!”) is that you’re reminded how much artistry goes into building all the layers that turns “giddyup” into “miles to go before I sleep.” I sympathize a little more with those who complained that it was too obscure, but even knowing the poem, I relied on the crosses for pretty much everything, so it’s not like recognition really stands in the way of solving. Maybe a couple of people even googled “Robert Frost horse poem” today because of the puzzle. Fun.

tkincher 9:16 PM  

Seeing Jennifer Egan is always a highlight. Most of the rest of this, no.

Anonymous 9:21 PM  

I come here seeking only validation and...I got it. This puzzle was f-ing awful.

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