Insulating sleeve for a beverage / SUN 4-30-23 / 2020 film starring a cartoon dog / One of cinq in Tartuffe / Curved edges formed by intersecting vaults in architecture / 5 6 or 7 in golf / Bit of vocal fanfare / Pain reliever with oxymoronic name / Title woman who has children at her feet in a 1968 hit / It means waterless place in Mongolian / 2004 Don Cheadle film set in Africa / Popular singer who has recorded in Elvish

Sunday, April 30, 2023

Constructor: Lewis Rothlein and Jeff Chen

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: "Name Dropping" — In order to make sense of six Downs at the bottom of the grid, you have to "drop" the "names" that have been embedded in an answers directly above them:

Theme answers:
  • "LADY MADONNA" (90D: Title woman who has children at her feet, in a 1968 hit) ("DONNA" drops down from 28D: Cautious (of) (CHAR(DONNA)Y))
  • TAKE THE L (110D: Accept defeat, in modern slang) ("ETHEL" drops down from 42D: Longtime anchor of "NBC Nightly News" (BROK(ETHEL)AW))
  • FLY FISHERMAN (91D: Person dealing with casting and lines)  ("HERMAN" drops down from (S(HERMAN)TANK))
  • "HOTEL RWANDA" (92D: 2004 Don Cheadle film set in Africa) ("WANDA" drops down from 19D: Check out, as a book (BO(WANDA)RROW))
  • KUBRICK (115D: Director of "The Shining" and "Dr. Strangelove") ("RICK" drops down from 44D: Guarding, as a goal (T(RICK)ENDING))
  • ELIZABETHAN (94D: Like England in the late 16th century) ("ETHAN" drops down from 34D: Informants, informally (FIN(ETHAN)KS))
Word of the Day: DIABOLO (118A: String-and-spool toy) —

The diabolo (/dˈæbəl/ dee-AB-ə-loh; commonly misspelled diablo) is a juggling or circus prop consisting of an axle (British Englishbobbin) and two cups (hourglass/egg timer shaped) or discs derived from the Chinese yo-yo. This object is spun using a string attached to two hand sticks ("batons" or "wands"). A large variety of tricks are possible with the diabolo, including tosses, and various types of interaction with the sticks, string, and various parts of the user's body. Multiple diabolos can be spun on a single string.

Like the Western yo-yo (which has an independent origin), it maintains its spinning motion through a rotating effect based on conservation of angular momentum. (wikipedia)

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Well at least this one is trying. I mean, it's definitely more enjoyable than most Sundays I've done of late. I assume that if you solve on the app, there's some cutesy animation at the end where the "names" "drop" down from above and settle into their "proper" place at the bottom of the grid. But with static answers, the puzzle's title makes no sense. I guess the title is saying that *I*, the solver, have to mentally "drop" the names in order to make sense of the Down answers along the bottom. But the names are represented in the grid as if they have risen. Not dropped. Name Rising. That is what the puzzle should've been called. If you'd done this very same theme but put the partial themers at the *top* of the grid instead of the bottom, then bam, there you are, the names drop ... "Name Dropping." As is, the title feels inapt. Unapt? I can never tell the difference. Wrong. That's what the title feels like. [UPDATE: I slept on this and mostly changed my mind, especially since there’s the double meaning of “drop” here (“take out” and “put lower”)—it’s fine that *I’m* doing the dropping.]  But the basic concept is pretty slick, I think ... not a huge fan of gibberish in the grid (i.e. LADY MA, TAK, HOTELR, etc.), but since the missing letters are actually clearly represented elsewhere in the grid, I don't mind the gibberish that much. There are unclued answers here—a bunch of them. All the name-containing answers, totally unclued (that is, for example, CHARY is clued but CHARDONNAY is not). But every one of those answers a. makes a real word or phrase and b. can be filled in via the missing "name" supplied by those truncated themers at the bottom, so despite the non-cluing, the puzzle remains quite fair. I will say that of all the theme-related stuff, TRICK ENDING feels like the worst. The shakiest by far in terms of its relative "real thing"-ness. When I google ["trick ending"] all I get are crossword sites, and while it's true that google knows who I am and is probably apt to push me toward crossword sites, I google stuff in quotation marks all the time and it never just lines up an array like this:


I guess they mean a "surprise" or "twist" ending? Something "gotcha" that suggests you've been thinking about things wrong all along? The phrase just doesn't land right to my ear. No EARGASM at all. Speaking of ... if I don't see TAKE THE L or EARGASM again for a few years, that would be just fine. Feel like we've worn those babies out in the past few months. Like, one EARGASM a year and I'm good, frankly. But back to the theme: I don't know that it does what it says it does, but what it does is at least clever and structurally ... interesting. As I say, I've had much worse times with Sundays of late. So yeah, sure, I'll take this.


The fill did make me wince in places, though. HEROIZE ... why does that "word" hurt my brain so much? It's awful. I am happy for you to LIONIZE someone, but HEROIZE sounds like the kind of thing that someone with a limited vocabulary just made up and then everybody ran with it? Strangely, I have no problem with the word "villainize." "Villanize?" How the hell do you spell that? My software is red-underlining both my attempts. I guess it thinks I mean "vilify" but I don't. Hmm. Anyway, HEROIZE sounds like something you do to sandwich meat. The "O" into "-IZE" is particularly awkward and unmellifluous. It's like "ghettoize," a somewhat more real term that I also can't stand the sound of. I also balked hard at FLORAE. Multiple ... FLORAE. FLORA already applies to a totality of plant life in a given area. And the way FLORAE is clued here, as "specimens" ... not seeing that definition. FLORA belongs to a region—"specimen" implies a singular example. Hard to believe there weren't other less awkward options there. LOL this is a Shortz-era *debut*—that should tell you how iffy it is. Hasn't appeared in the NYTXW since the mid-'80s. Here's to another 40 years in the vault! And please take GROINS with you! (Looks like GROINS made it into the Shortz era, possibly via an already-accepted Maleska-era puzzle, during Shortz's first full year of editing, in 1994, but hadn't been heard from since ... until today.)


DIABOLO was a huge ??? I feel like maybe I saw some tie dye-wearing, patchouli-smelling, jam band-listening dudes playing with one of these on the quad in the '90s, once, maybe? The same kind of dudes who are still having HEAD TRIPS decades after the '60s ended. Not sure. Not really up on the extended yo-yo family of toys.  SIN BINS sounds too precious for so rough a sport, but looks like it's legit, and across a number of sports, actually (including rugby and roller derby). The golf clue was ??? to me too, in that I understand the concept of numbered irons, but did not know MIDIRON was an actual category (generally, the higher the number, the more loft / less distance). Only thing I truly didn't know in the grid besides DIABOLO was Marian ANDERSON (84A: Singer Marian, the first African American to perform at the Met). Overall, pretty easy without being dull. Answers like KOOZIE and "I JUST ATE" and FRACAS and NO JOKE kept things bouncy and relatively interesting throughout.



Bullets:
  • "SCOOB" (18A: 2020 film starring a cartoon dog) — people tell me movies came out in 2020 and I have no choice but to believe them but there's a real tree falling / woods / sound thing going on with early COVID-era cinema. If you can call "SCOOB" "cinema." Which I invite you to do.
  • RIMS (37A: Pair of glasses?) — in that ... glasses have RIMS. A pair of them? It's awful, yes, I know, not sure why anyone thought this was cute.
  • SATIRE (49A: Cutting part of The Onion?) — The Onion is *entirely* SATIRE, so again, I have no idea whose idea of "humor" this "?" clue was. The phrase is clunky and evokes nothing except ... partially cutting onions? Big miss. 
  • SNOW (45A: Angels can be found in it) — No. They "might" be found in it, in that one "might" make a SNOW angel, but "can" implies a much greater degree of certainty about angels' presence. Like, I could search SNOW forevvvvvvvvver and find no angels. The fact that the angel "might" be there doesn't mean I "can" find it. Boo. Choose the right word. Choose "might."
  • DO IT (32D: Two-thirds of 105-Across — Deeply awful. Cynical, even. It's bad fill to begin with, but it also dupes part of something already in the grid (DIY), so instead of trying harder for better fill, you just ... point to the fact that you couldn't bother?
  • SDSU (24A: Southern California sch.) — San Diego State University. They recently made it to the finals of the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, where they were routed by UConn.
It's the last day of April—time to highlight the best NYTXW puzzles I've solved this month (two themed puzzles, and one themeless). So here it is, the Best of April 2023:
  • Themed: Robin Yu, "TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE" (Thu., Apr. 13); Katherine Baicker and Scott Earl, "THERE ARE NO WORDS" (Mon., Apr. 17
  • Themeless: Kameron Austin Collins (UFOLOGISTS / "MEANING WHAT?" / "DO YOU MIND?" / LAURA DERN) (Sat., Apr. 15)
Themeless competition was particularly tough this month. Both themelesses from this weekend (Handa/Agard, Steinberg) were exceedingly worthy. But I had to give the edge to KAC's magisterial grid. Take care, see you later. 

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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128 comments:

Alice Pollard 12:30 AM  

Never heard of CHARY. WTH. One of those puzzles that once you got the trick it was easy. I knew it had to be LADYMADONNA somehow . MADONNA would not fit so somehow it dawned on me what was happening and the other themes fell easily. But I struggled before I got the theme. I had EyES before EWES. it fit the clue. Nice puzzle, really enjoyed it. thanks Lewis and Jeff.

Loren Muse Smith 12:56 AM  

Oh. My. God. I struggled and struggled while watching bits of the Correspondents’ Dinner, not really focusing on either. At first glance, I just noticed that you had to drop the name to get the answer. But I know Lewis and Jeff, so I knew there was gonna be some kind of sneaky sneak waiting in the wings. When I finally got HOTEL RWANDA, I whooped. An AHAgasm. Awegasm. This is brilliant! I can’t believe Rex’s take is that it’s just so-so. Jeez Louise.

Loved the clues for ELF, DIRT, and SOFT G.

Fun to have STIR right next to FRACAS. I work in a school where these occur all the time. I’ll be teaching, and then we’ll hear some kind of STIR. We all stop and listen to see what’s up. Happily, my kids know my biggest rule is that I’m the owner of my door; no one opens it but me. Anyhoo – doesn’t FRACAS look like some kind of Mexican goodie? I’ll take two chicken fracas with extra guacamole, please. They’re fried, right?

Kept going back to try to make “worship” fit for HEROIZE. I agree with Rex that that’s a startling word, but I really like it. I just found out that two of my students – freshman boys with ankle monitors – go home every day and are the primary caregivers for their younger siblings (4 each) while their mothers work the night shift. The ages of their charges range from 9 months to 4 years. I was stunned. One of them changes diapers, and they both give baths. And they weren’t whining about it – it is what it is. Had this been my lot at age 15, I would have been a big, complaining baby about it. I asked them if they ever read them books, and Quintrez said once he had read them The Cat in the Hat, but that was it. So I went to a Goodwill-type place yesterday and got some children’s books to give them. I dunno – they may not use them, but who knows…. Whatever the case, I’m officially HEROIZING Ja’Quiontis and Quintrez. I tell ya, I’m humbled every day at that school.

Back to EARGASM. For me, whenever really good harmony kicks in, I get an eargasm. Right now, I’ll listen both to Andrea Bocelli with his young daughter singing Hallelujah and Lady Gaga with Bradley Cooper singing Shallow. Man oh man oh man. (BTW at our family Christmas party, I took my karaoke speaker with two mics. My sister Meagan and I thought we were a shoo-in to be the best with our James Taylor / Carly Simon Mockingbird duet (I’m James; she’s Carly). But, BUT. . . my daughter-in-law, Emily, the reserved pathology resident at Duke who had had a few glasses of wine SLAYED Shallow.. Slayed it. We were all stunned. She was so good that Meagan and were ok with our second place.

Lewis, Jeff – this puzzle is so clever, so terrific that I’m gonna remember it for a long time. Thanks for the fun.

PS – talking about my students: a few of you donated to my apple fund, and I want to give you an update and thank you but my old email died, so I can’t access your email addresses. My new one is on my profile. You can’t understand how grateful I am and how many apples we go through every week. Some kids stop by on the way home and put several in their pockets. Please email me so I can thank you.

Anonymous 1:14 AM  

At first I thought the names were arbitrary or they were all related in a way I wasn’t aware of (like characters in a movie I’ve never seen), and that “name dropping” just meant drop in the sense of “get rid of.” Made the bottom portion of the grid a mess for a little while because I was convinced my acrosses must be wrong.

jae 2:11 AM  

Medium because it took a while to GROK how the theme worked. Clever, a bit different, and fun, liked it.

Ken Freeland 2:19 AM  

LMTR (liked more than Rex)... maybe not too much more given that I naticked twice - - not a New Yawker I gambled on "CITy" - - I thought GROyN had a nice archaic ring to it! Also on DIABOLO/COE. Normally I would condemn a puzzle that tripped me up twice like that, but not this one. I am just too much in awe of the construction feat it represents not to send its creators kudos. I'll save my brickbats for its editor.

Anonymous 4:15 AM  

The first part of the theme was easy to get, from S(HERMAN) TANK (even though I don't know what a SHERMAN TANK is, but the title helped me see that the circled letters formed names). I got the ACTUALLY tricky bit after coming up short in the SW, S and SE (ICeHOT RAMONA SAYOK looked fine but TAK was nonsense), by staring at FLYFIS and wanting the answer to have something to do with fishing. HOTEL R looked reasonable, especially with AVENUE Q in the grid. Then ELIZAB(ETHAN) and KUB(RICK) fell in. Glad to see it was just KUBRICK and not some 3-letter name that would've Naticked me at _OOZIE. Side note: I thought the string toy thingy was just called a DIABLO, didn't know about the extra O. DIABOLO/COE is not the best of crossings but it's inferrable.

Now for my picks of the month:

Themed - "TRADING PLACES" (Sam Buttrey, Thu April 6th)
Themed - "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE" (Robin Yu, Thu Apr 13th)
Themeless - Hard to choose one of KAC, Handa/Agard, Steinberg but I'll go with the Handa/Agard collab (Apr 28th). Steinberg's themeless had some entries I loved (SPEED CHESS, WOWIE ZOWIE!) but it just left a bad taste in my mouth because I soared relatively quickly through the grid and then hit a brick wall in the NE that took me about half my total time. Not the puzzle's fault, of course.

Honorable mentions:
- Gia Bosko's Monday (Apr 10th) (theme is whatever, but a 70-worder with Monday-level fill and 5 themers? Pretty impressive)
- The April Fools' trick themeless (or was it actually themed?) by Wyna Liu and Joel Fagliano.

Joaquin 4:18 AM  

When typical solvers complain about the quality of the Sunday NYT crossword, today's is an example of what they DON'T mean. Best Sunday in many, many moons!

Anonymous 4:34 AM  

So the NYT is apparently heavily invested in this app yet it's impossible to see the shaded squares when the word is highlighted. The highlighting is necessary for this particular puzzle to solve so this was a real slog (I tried all 3 color themes and they were all bad). Please please fix these sorts of issues before adding another game like Sudoku which can be found for free elsewhere with a much better solving experience.

As for the puzzle. I kinda liked it. Would have liked it more has I ever heard of CHARY or TARTUFFE (was trying to remember the french word for consonant, it's probably "consonant").

Also SNOY/EYES works just as well as SNOW/EWES.

Anonymous 4:36 AM  

Tom F

Tom F 4:38 AM  

It was fine. Name dropping seems fine as a title since we’re dropping the proper name from an unclued answer to complete an answer lower down.
Some meh fill. I’ll Take the W.

Anonymous 4:48 AM  

Not a fun solving experience for me. The NE was particularly rough. And MIDIRON should be shot out of a cannon. Plus NARKS is a much more in-the-language answer to "Informants, informally" than FINKS. DIABOLO and EFFACES both not good. In the end, the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze for me.

Conrad 5:29 AM  


Pretty much what @LMS said in her first paragraph. I thought I had the theme figured out. "Oh. Okay. You have to "drop" the names from the word to have the clue make sense." But then I hit ELIZAB[ETHAN] at 94D and experienced a real "Aha Moment". Nice work; very creative!

Only major overwrite was aciD TRIP before HEAD at 20D, although I did (briefly) consider deFACES before EFFACES at 111A.

noni 5:55 AM  

Am I really supposed to have heard of SADD?

TrudyJ65 6:39 AM  

Maybe it was just very local and specific to where I live but there was a huge DIABOLO craze among pre-teens here specifically in 2009/10, when I had one kid in Grade 4 and one in Grade 6. To the point that the one shop in town that sold diabolos ran out of them, and teachers had to make no-diabolos-in-class rules and provide diabolo space in the gym at lunchtime. It lasted for maybe six months. Was recently reminiscing about this with my daughter when we cleaned out the basement and found 3 diabolos. I wonder if that was just here or was it a broader cultural thing sparked by some kid on a TV show playing with one?

Colin 6:54 AM  

This was medium-difficult, in part because the first name dropped was DONNA, and I was like, "CHARY of"?? And so, on with the name-dropping, except I did not get the drop into the lower answers until later. Therefore, FLY__S and ELI_AB were big question marks for a while. KUB(RICK) and LADYMA(DONNA) allowed me to see the light.

But in the end, I thought this was a pretty neat theme.

I disagree that "learned" is equivalent to WISE. Many learned people are not necessarily wise.

And, gotta agree that HEROIZE was a big oof.

Coming up: Happy May Day, May the Fourth Be With You, and Happy Cinco de Mayo! See you all next week.

bocamp 6:54 AM  

Thx, Lewis & Jeff; awesome! 😊

Challenging.

Wowie zowie! what a trip!

Bc I didn't GROK the theme until very late in the game, I was bemoaning the fact that there was so much down near the bottom I didn't know, and actually facing the possibility that I'd TAKE THE L big time.

Employing Lewis's 'faith solve' philosophy, I kept filling in what I could, hoping that something would give, and give it did when I recalled LADY MADONNA (I had LADeMA, as I didn't know ICe HOT from ICY HOT). At that point, the theme title clicked, 'Name Dropping'…; I looked up and saw DONNA (hard to pick out due to the very light gray cells in the NYT games website grid I use on my MacBook Air Brave browser).

That was my AHA moment, and after that Bob was my uncle. :)

Unknowns/hazies/learnings: SDSU; RED COD; SCOOB; HEROIZE; AVENUE Q; ACTE; GROINS; KAMA; CNBC; ICEHOT; KOOZIE; RAMONA; DIABOLO; SARA; ABE.

A very worthwhile expenditure of time, and most gratifying solve.

Loved every minute of this adventure! :)
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Robin 7:11 AM  

Solved this via the #NYTXW website, and no, no fancy animation when finishing off.

Never saw the theme title when starting this, but got the theme early enough with 91D and 18D.

Nevertheless, hated it. The #NYTXW Sunday continues its streak of hard suckitude.

Bring back Eugene Maleska and one of his Sunday five-part quote themers, which I also hated, but at least they'd be different from the drek that Will Shortz has been serving up the last 5-7 years.

Anonymous 7:16 AM  

Yeah that NNW section (it’s Sunday, so the directional needs an extra modifier) was brutal with head scratcher answers (MIDIRON and CHARY) and tough or odd cluing (ACTE, ATRAIN, OAR and ATOM.) I stuck with iota for atom until the very end and it was the last part to fall.

kitshef 7:24 AM  

I was obliged to solve today in the NYT app, so possibly my very slow solve had something to do with the unfamiliar interface (which by the way was terrible today due to the fact that when working on the theme answers, the highlighting made it impossible to see the shaded squares), but I also think it was just hard.

Not really able to make sense of the theme. The names drop, and they have to drop to the bottom to make sense of the answers below, but then the across answers won’t make sense – the ones from where you moved the names.

On the other hand, the fact that all the themers are valid entries without the names is brilliant.

Oh, and although we use GROK to mean ‘understand’, that is not the usage from Stranger in a Strange Land. It is more like becoming one with something … but that oversimplifies.

NJT 7:35 AM  

Big hockey fan - the SIN BIN is very much a thing

SouthsideJohnny 7:37 AM  

HEROIZE sounds really cumbersome and clunky, but apparently it’s a real thing - I can imagine that maybe novelists do it (and those reviewing their work may actually use the term!).

Jeff Chen has plenty of construction tricks up his sleeve, so,as impressive as this is, I suspect he barely broke a sweat in putting it all together. The stress that such an ambitious theme puts on the grid and associated fill really shows through in the SE, where they had to a) scour the planet for a language that KUB would mean something in, or (b) hope that they get lucky and it is the name of someone who did something famous. Similarly, they did get lucky because when they got stuck they could just drop in a word in Mongolian since it’s the NYT and nobody cares.

Good to see the return of the juvie humor after a brief hiatus with SNOT. Nice touch to sneak that into a Jeff Chen grid - these guys are good.

Anonymous 8:09 AM  

Editor faux pas: 40D - u (EWEs) is “foUnd in this answer”.

DV 8:33 AM  

I thought the same thing until I realized that the “U” is in the clue, not the answer. The clue is accurate.

Anonymous 8:34 AM  

Amy: most excellent. Did Rex write he didn't know of Marian Anderson?

Wanderlust 8:35 AM  

Rex, you don’t know Marian ANDERSON? I’m shocked. She is the one who was denied the opportunity to perform at DC’s Constitution Hall by the snooty and racist Daughters of the American Revolution, who owned it. Eleanor Roosevelt was outraged and arranged a concert for Anderson on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial that was attended by far more people (of any race) than could have seen her in Constitution Hall.

Agree this was a very enjoyable Sunday outing. I solve in the app so I never see the title until the end if I want to click the Info icon and look at it. So I was confused when I got to the “children at her feet” song clue. I figured that had to be LADY MADONNA, but since it didn’t fit, I thought we’d have a rebus, which seemed strange to discover so late in the solve. And ADONNA as a rebus obviously wasn’t working with the across clue. I figured it out with HOTEL RWANDA and BOW AND ARROW. Then I filled in all the other shaded squares and noticed they were all names. I thought they might have something in common but that would have been impossible, I’m sure.

The NE was very hard for me, in part because of “chew” before REAM and “tsp” before OZS, in part because I’d never heard of RED COD or HEROIZE (and didn’t know what followed EAR, though I did AHA when I saw the ending). Misunderstood the “homophone” clue and put in uiES, thinking it needed to be two different vowels. Anyway, half my solving time was probably in the NE.

As expected in a puzzle by @Lewis, lots of clever clues such as for SATIRE and PINATAS. I am sure he is too humble to include any of his own in his Monday “best clues” list.

Anonymous 8:36 AM  

Is there not an error in the clue for EWES? It has the word “found” in it and therefore contains a U. Am I missing something?

Taylor Slow 8:36 AM  

At last! A great Sunday. GREAT! I could quibble over some of the fill--OK, OK...HEROIZE???? No-just-no!--but why bother when the puzzle itself was so clever and so satisfying? Thanks, guys! A lot of us have been waiting a long time to have this much Sunday fun!

Whatsername 8:41 AM  

It’s going to be later today before I get to the puzzle but I just wanted to DROP in and say congratulations to @Lewis. From skimming the comments (and trying not to see too many answers that might spoil it), looks like you have another hit on your hands. But then, I’m not at all surprised.

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Wikipedia on Marian Anderson: “ Anderson was an important figure in the struggle for African-American artists to overcome racial prejudice in the United States during the mid-twentieth century. In 1939, during the era of racial segregation, the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) refused to allow Anderson to sing to an integrated audience in Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C. The incident placed Anderson in the spotlight of the international community on a level unusual for a classical musician. With the aid of First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt and her husband, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Anderson performed a critically acclaimed open-air concert on Easter Sunday, April 9, 1939, on the Lincoln Memorial steps in the capital


OxfordBleu 8:48 AM  

@Anonymous 8:09 there are no U’s found in the answer. There is a u in the clue however. Would have been neater if they were in neither…

@Rex: your assessment of “trick ending” is somewhat unfair since all of the crosswordese Google hits refer to answers to the clue “Trick ending?”, e.g., trickSTER, trickERY. If you exclude crossword from the search there are still 17,200 hits defining endings with surprise elements.

Ellen 8:52 AM  

YUP ... and I didn't "see" the longer answers (chardonnay, etc.) until I read this!!!

Anonymous 8:54 AM  

Yep

Dr.A 9:00 AM  

You really made me laugh today. Out loud. When the rest of my family is still fast asleep. thanks for everything you do here. I was wondering what you would say about HEROIZE. No,just no!!!! And also never heard of a DIABOLO (apparently neither has autocorrect) and I went to those jam band concerts and hung out with the type to whom you are referring. (We are all doctors now). Anyhoo, I look forward to hearing what you think about the puzzle and I also thought, well the names are really higher up, so why ?dropping? Makes sense if you think of dropping the names to meet the clues though.

Space Is Deep 9:02 AM  

I’m happy to say that after three days, I finally finished the Friday puzzle! The NE had me flummoxed But I kept coming back to it off and on. Finally had a breakthrough and it all fell in place. Whew. Didn’t think I would finish it.

pabloinnh 9:06 AM  

Why did I pick today to not read the title? Unknown, but it certainly would have made things easier.

As it was I noticed, all by myself that the shaded (in my puzzle) squares were all names, and at CHARDONNAY that the names had to be taken out to fit the clue, and finally at LADYMADONNA that the shaded names were needed to make sense out of some final downs. I thought this was fun and clever but it would have been much easier with the title in mind. I mean, really.

Hand up for wondering for too long what SNOY might be. Also, LIONIZE and IDOLIZE are both better answers than HEROIZE, but they won't help you fill in the NE corner. My last entry was SQUAREONE, as it took forever to see AVENUEQ, of which I had not heard.

Always happy to know something that OFL doesn't like Marian ANDERSON. He probably knew Tegan and SARA though.

Good stuff, LR and JC. Lovely Resistance factor and Just Convoluted enough to make a memorable Sunday. Thanks for all the fun.

Anonymous 9:08 AM  

I kept singing Eleanor Rigby to myself and was absolutely sure of it. I hang my head in shame.

Rich Glauber 9:11 AM  

To damn this masterpiece with the faint praise of 'Well at least this one is trying' says more about Rex than about the puzzle. It's legendary, brilliant, original and should be in the Hall of Fame. So much going on with multi level construction and terrific themers. Muchas gracias, gentlemen, this was among the best puzzles I've ever seen.

burtonkd 9:11 AM  

Gotta run, but want to give a big congratulations to Lewis!! Your partner should be Clark because this was such a TREK of discovery! I'll see myself out now.

Anonymous 9:13 AM  

Thank you! ~RP

Anonymous 9:14 AM  

Apple fund - how can we contribute?

Gary Jugert 9:14 AM  

Solid, well built, kinda weird, a bit sloggy (as usual on a Sunday), easy then super challenging toward the end. Fascinating puzzle @Lewis!

Did it without help except I had ACIDTRIPS instead of HEADTRIPS and finally needed to peek.

Loved grokking the theme entries and found plenty of cute clues.

It's OHO, not AHA.

Ug: HEROIZE.

Tee-Hees: SNOT, GROINS, EARGASM.

Uniclues:

1 Sassy positive review of Broadway show.
2 Angler couldn't angle.

1 AVENUE Q? HELLO EARGASM.
2 FLYFISHERMAN STANK (~)

Anonymous 9:20 AM  

This puzzle left me feeling like I am out of step with the majority of solvers. Your blog often does that. Not easy medium for me. Just a joyless slog which left me scratching my head even though I got things 'right'. So, thanks for the explanation, but I'd rather just have a better puzzle, one not trying so hard.

Barbara S. 9:24 AM  

Happy National Bubble Tea Day. So Bing tells me. (Would have been great to find BOBA in the puzzle, as we often do.)

So, I was chugging along solving this and grasping that in the shaded squares names were dropping vertically from their first letters, and I thought, “@Lewis, @Lewis, is that all there is?” I was expecting more from our fellow-blogger and constructor-extraordinaire, and I was plodding through the puzzle pretty listlessly. And then I realized there was something peculiar going on with the answers that contained the names, that the answers only matched their clues without the names, and then I got to the bottom and found LADY MA(DONNA), which I knew for a fact was the song in question and – AHA! I was right all along to expect more trickery from @Lewis and Jeff Chen. Finally grasping the theme was a shot in the arm and my solve perked right up. Thanks, Lewis and Jeff!

No problem with CHARY. I have a sense, unconfirmed by any authority, that it might be more commonly used in British English, and this may be one of those cases where Canadian usage is closer to British than to American. STILE seems British to me, too, at least in the sense of a set of steps over a fence or wall that separates adjacent fields. TurnSTILE, on the other hand, is very North American. Enjoyed seeing PRUNES and DETOXES together – I love to eat PRUNES any old time and I like them even more for their um, medicinal effects. Liked puzzling over the literary trio clue. I was thinking ActOn for a while, as in Acton, Currer and Ellis Bell (pseudonyms for the Brontës), except that Acton (Anne) wasn’t the eldest. (I’ve never thought about the Musketeers in terms of age.) Splatzed in “ucla” for SDSU, which was a new initialism for me. There were a lot of other things I didn’t know, too, like AVENUE Q, MID-IRON, TATER (as clued), KAMA, KOOZIE and DIABOLO. But I was lucky enough to find a bunch of wheelhouse answers, such as GROINS, ANDERSON, GISH and RAMONA. There are 7 Ks! All between rows 10 and 21. I’m fond of K (I have one in my name), and that seemed like an unusually (but happily) high number.

[SB: I haven’t been around these parts for a while, so here's my week: -3,0,-3,-3,0,0,0. Don’t know what’s up with all the -3s but I’m glad to be on a mini-streak now. Friday’s last word was this small but colorful specimen -- I like it but can see its potential for controversy. And yesterday’s last two were these perfectly ordinary, common SB terms.]

RAD2626 9:32 AM  

Enjoyable and extraordinarily clever puzzle. Title totally apt. The names drop down to finish the bottom clues. What’s so complicated about that? Was very glad that the names stayed in the same column or I might still be struggling with the bottom third. And was glad I was 100% sure of LADY MA(DONNA) or I might have never figured it all out. Fill and cluing were great. Several clues that could have made Lewis’ weekly list but of course will not. Congratulations on a really terrific puzzle.

Anonymous 9:39 AM  

Yup

Shaw 9:44 AM  

Anyone else? I had SCOOB in at 18A and IDOLIZE at first for 20A, and immediately thought somehow bridging the gap to make "SCOOBIDO" [sic] was going to be part of the theme.

Sixthstone 9:50 AM  

This one fell flat for me. No real connection among the random names, long unclued answers, and tons of 3-letter trash fill. No thanks. I can see the ingenuity in the constructors, combing through random words and phrases to find hidden names. Good for them. But it's all just too random. If these 6 names were 6 characters in a book, or 6 members of a band, etc., this would be fun. As is, it's just "look! we found names in phrases." Again good for them, no fun for me.

Kent 10:06 AM  

I spent a fair amount of time trying to make idolIZE work at 20A. Never heard of or seen a DIABOLO. Otherwise pretty smooth. I thought the theme was pretty meh until I got to the bottom of the grid and recognized the theme’s second half when I needed a WANDA to complete the Cheadle film and found it directly above. Clever and fun.

Anonymous 10:09 AM  

More than a Tater, which I haven’t heard in years.

Anonymous 10:12 AM  

At times Rex’s writeup has more cutting satire than The Onion.

andrew 10:17 AM  

Played hockey till I was 62 - never once heard SINBIN. It was “the box”.

Apparently, Google says it is somewhat a thing. But would rather call it “the naughty naughty place” to get less verbal slapback from my teammates…

Weezie 10:17 AM  

Same question!

mathgent 10:19 AM  

@Rich Glauber (9:11). Exactly!

I thought that it was a masterpiece. Excellent in every aspect. Genius gimmick. Erudite cluing. Not a hint of junk. Crunchy.

I expected that there would be wall-to-wall praise here today. I wonder why not.

RooMonster 10:25 AM  

Hey All !
So concentrated on GROKking the names in the Long Downs to correspond with the shorter Downs below them, I completely missed the fact that all the long Downs with the Themer names were actual words/phrases! I just thought they were randomly inserted in random words to get the trick. Never occurred to me to read those Long Down Themers together. Sheesh! I read Rex, and then the AHA. Wow, sometimes I amaze myself.

Was actually going to complain about the arbitration of "why these names just inserted into random words?". Har, good stuff.

Rex, no animation of grid when complete.

I haven't read y'all yet, so forgive if repeated, or already addressed... I would've liked to see some indication of having to use the Lower Downs to correspond to the upper part of the shaded/circled squares. Maybe (probably) that's just me needing my hand held.

I had a DNF precisely because I didn't figure out the complete theme. Couldn't get the RIFF/STILE/SNOW area, as FINKS wasn't entering the ole brain, and like I said, didn't realize the Long Downs made actual things. Had I figured that aspect out, I probably would've got the Happy Music. AH ME.

Tough puz overall, blew my average time out of the water. Nice left/right symmetry. 89 Blockers, high number, but doesn't seem like there's that many. Weird.

I still try AROAR everytime in Spelling Bee. One day...

Seven F's (I'm a FAN)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Andy Freude 10:25 AM  

Hats off to Lewis and Jeff for this pleasantly chewy Sunday! As a non-sporty type, I was happy to drop in both ORR and COE, names I know solely from crosswords; don’t even know what sports they played. But Bobby and Sebastian seem like old friends now.

Sure wanted idolIZE, but whatevs. Now I’ll go back to listening to the great Marian ANDERSON.

Weezie 10:35 AM  

@Lewis!!!! This was so good and so clever! I didn’t actually look to see who the constructors were until I was basically done with the puzzle (stupid, I would have GROKked the theme much earlier had I seen the title), and while I was solving I kept noticing these fun word proximities and resonances and thinking, “Gee, @Lewis is going to LOVE this one.” And well, yes, I sure hope he did love his own work! Nice work by you and Jeff.

I had another weird insomnia night, and took a lot of things to try and get to sleep, and still only got 4 hours. So I’ll blame that on my dogged insistence on working my way down on the fill without even glancing at the title, instead of getting to the bottoms where all would be revealed re: the theme. So what probably would have been easy-medium was a real slog there for a while. I wanna get more disciplined about remembering the order of operations on themed puzzles.

But wow, yeah, this was really a flex of construction, wordplay, and clever cluing prowess, including novel ways of cluing crosswordese. I asked the family text thread if TATER could work for a homer and that prompted a fun discussion of all the weird terms in baseball. Out of my two parents and three brothers, I’m the only non-jock and/or sports fan, so it was nice to for once have a point of entry into their world.

Thanks again for a nice Sunday workout!

egsforbreakfast 10:38 AM  

Reagan: What’s that woman wearing? It’s too long to be a mini and too short to be a maxi.
Nancy: A MIDI RON

Surprised that the commentariat isn’t AROAR over FLEWAT and NIPAT.

If a Malapop extends over two days, does anyone care? Yesterday I initially had poloball for “Target for a certain mallet” (CRABCLAW). Today, POLO pops up as a “Sport where players wear boots.”

I’m not gonna hire my pet care person again. He dogs it when he DOGSITS.

It seems like SINBINS could also be slang for confessional booths. Now that I think about it, they should station a priest in the hockey penalty box to hear the sins of the players. “Forgive me father, for I have cross checked.” “In 2 minutes, you may go take the ice in peace.”

This was an excellent puzzle. I would have preferred a less revealing title, Something like “Where did they go?” Then Name Dropping could have been worked in as a revealer. I know, easy for me to say, huh? Anyway, congrats on a cool collaboration, Lewis and Jeff.

Nancy 10:52 AM  

OMG!!!! It's our Lewis and so I should have known that there would be more to this puzzle than meets the eye -- that there would be a final kicker. A coup de grace, if you will. And I missed it. I'm cursing over what looks to be KUB and either ELIZAM or ELIZAB (BRIBE?/CRIME?). I'm cursing over FLYFIS (what on earth?) and TAK (even worse) and LADeMA (which I changed to LADY MA when I changed ICE HOT to ICY HOT, but which still made no sense) and HOTEL R (R-rated hotel???).

"Why is the bottom of this puzzle so much harder and so much more peculiar than the top?" I asked myself. I had to come here to find out.

One of the most brilliant and ingenious puzzles I've ever done! And deceptively fiendish too -- since, when you're blissfully working on the fairly easy top, you have no idea that the ace is being palmed directly below. Or at least I didn't.

Kudos to both constructors for an amazing tour de force that's pulled off with exceptional skill. But from the standpoint of the original concept, I must say that I see Lewis's fingerprints all over this one.

Teedmn 10:54 AM  

I usually solve randomly but with the Runtpuz server down, I had to solve on paper today. I assumed that would cut my usual Sunday solving time down considerably but it didn’t in the least! It took a while before I saw the second half of the theme. I saw early on at CHAR[DONNA]Y that the names were being dropped out of those answers to get the clued answer and I would have been fine if that had been the whole theme concept since it perfectly matched the puzzle title. But when I GROKked that 91D needed HERMAN to finish its answer, I also experienced @LMS' AHA-GASM. Very nice, @Lewis and Jeff Chen.

Really dumb DNF today - I could not for the life of me figure out what the Angels can be found in. I see I’m not the only one to notice that at 40D, EyES fit the clue perfectly? Gah.

Fun fact that ABE Lincoln had a patent. I liked that TADA was a bit of vocal fanfare. I thought whoa-inducing experiences might involve horse riding (or dogsledding) and I enjoyed the rhyming of rolling and bowling PIN.

Thanks, Lewis and Jeff!

beverly c 10:57 AM  

Oh my! I didn’t see the SHERMANTANK! Or the other non-clued words. How does that happen?? That just takes this puzzle over the top. I like them all. Thanks Lewis and Jeff, this was a real puzzle and a pleasure to work on. The title provided a helpful hint, but didn’t give the game away.

I ended with what I correctly suspected was an error at the L in HOTELR, where I wanted a Y for a Yo-yo tie in. But HOT eyr? Ear?
For the presidential inventor, I was looked for three initials. I had no idea about the patent, or the absent middle name.
Unfamiliar with Tartuffe or the NY subway system, I took the plunge with guesses and was rewarded. Nice Sunday.

jberg 11:03 AM  

I loved this puzzle, but finally needed a cheat to finish it. I'll come back to that -- but what I loved was that I got to discover the theme when I noticed that CHARY had swallowed DONNA to make a little wine, went on to fill in the rest of the names, and then, a bit later, got to discover it again when I somehow noticed that it wasn't the ELIZAn age, but ELIZAB + ETHAN. Twice the thrill!

Now my failure. I thought the song was Dry BONES (also didn't think it was a spiritual, but I was wrong about that) and that the recipe for call for a tsp or a tbp. US cooks don't usually go by weight, but of course there are fluid OZS, so I should have thought of that. Then when aciD TRIPS didn't work, and I couldn't think of a 4-letter prophet starting with I, I put in AMOS and actually tried roAD TRIPS. I mean, I had to know either HEROIZE or EARGASM (nice word, but I don't think I've encountered it before) and I didn't. I've never seen that movie, and had just assumed it had to do with Jason and his crew; so I finally looked it up, put in CIA, and it all fell into place. As I said, I loved the puzzle anyway.

I don't want to reduce Marian ANDERSON to her political life; she was one of the great singers of her day, which was why she was able to break the color line at the Met. Before Rex's time, I guess.

Further complicating the NE, BTW, is that I'd never heard of RED COD. According to the Internet, it's found around the South Island of New Zealand. I actually tried to put RED eel in there.

Anonymous 11:21 AM  

DITTO!

Joseph Michael 11:27 AM  

WOWIE ZOWIE. Three AHAs for the price of one:

1) you have to drop the name out of each themer to see the answer to the clue;
2) you have to drop each name again to make sense of the puzzle’s TRICK ENDING;
3) one of the constructors is our cohort LEWIS.

Way to go, Lewis and Jeff. This was indeed a puzzle masterpiece.

SimonSays 11:34 AM  

@Weezie 10:35 Has Lewis ever not LOVED a puzzle? Citation please.
I agree with the apparent consensus here about the cleverness of this puzzle’s gimmicks etc., but I do not regard this one as a masterpiece. That bar is very high and not infrequently includes the work of Gorsky, Berry, Weintraub and others.
So, no CHAMPAGNESHOWER, maybe Gatorade?

Anonymous 11:40 AM  

Is there a way to get the “winner” animation to repeat?

Colin 11:42 AM  

I didn't know this was "the" @Lewis here. Even more special - congrats to you and Jeff!

Anonymous 11:48 AM  

40 Down is really a triple Kealoa.

EWES, EyES, and ayES.



Villager

Weezie 11:48 AM  

Haha, fair point! Consider this my amending the comment to say that I imagined he would fall head-over-heels in love with it. I have to confess, when I first started reading the blog commentary I wondered, “Wait, does this guy just, not have negative thoughts, ever?!?” But what I’ve come to assume over time (please correct me if I’m wrong, Lewis!) is that Lewis knows firsthand how hard it is to construct puzzles and get them placed in the NYT, so he chooses to focus on the good parts. I really admire that, and I feel like he balances out the rest of us nitpickers.

But, imo there are orders of degree in his loving reviews, and this one just felt made for Lewis (because it was made *by* Lewis, Weezie, you fool).

BlueStater 11:54 AM  

This was just awful. Worst in years. Atrocious gimmickry. I was absolutely astonished to find HEROIZE in Merriam-Webster. You'd think I'd have run across it in 45 years of university teaching, but no. No, no, no. Not in the NYTXW.

kitshef 11:57 AM  

@TeedMn - EyES did not occur to me, but ayES did.

Croce solvers: I may be unavailable to comment tomorrow (for the same reason I had to solve on the NYT app today), so I'll say right now that Croce 806 kicked my butt from here to Kalamazoo and back. I did eventually finish, but what a struggle!

kitshef 12:09 PM  

@SimonSays - there have been a lot of puzzles Lewis did not love, but it can be hard to find them. Here is his comment, in its entirety, from 8/31/2011:

"In that southwest corner I've been trying to find a way out of LAR, IBO, ABOU. But assuming LITTLE has to be above and ROOM at the bottom, I can't come up with anything better.

Every Christmas we play The Muppets Christmas Album, which has LITTLE SAINT NICK on it, sung obnoxiously, and now I can't get it out of my head..."

Barbara S. 12:39 PM  

Oops, almost forgot that I came up with one uniclue:

Ecstatic reaction to Wolf Blitzer's interview with left-leaning sheep.

DEM EWES, CNN -- WHEE!

Anonymous 12:40 PM  

Regarding EyES/EWES, EyES does not fit the clue because there *is* am "I" in the clue given, in the word "in."

Anonymous 12:43 PM  

Also a book fund for those two young men! What blessing you are to your students.

Christopher Castoro 12:45 PM  

Can someone PLEASE tell me how "BOW*AND*ARROW" relates to "check out, as a book"???

Anonymous 12:51 PM  

Hey Rex, didn't you say that the April 1st puzzle was the best of the year? So how can it not be on the best of April list?

Anonymous 1:07 PM  

But there's no "U" in EWES, and "EWES" is the answer. A "U" is found in the clue but not the answer.

Nancy 1:13 PM  

@Cristopher C (12:45): BO[WANDA]RROW.

Remove WANDA from BOW AND ARROW and you have BORROW.

JC66 1:14 PM  

@Christopher Castoro

BOwandaRROW.

If you drop the name WANDA, your left with BORROW (check out, as a book).

Rich Glauber 1:24 PM  

Christopher Castoro, to check out, as a book, is to BORROW. The name Wanda drops out to give you the answer. All of the clues with names are like this, they make sense with the name in it, and also answer the clue by dropping the name. Hence some of us think this puzzle is a masterpiece.

SHaronAK 1:26 PM  

Agreed with more than usual of Rex's criticisms
Some of the cluing/answerswerevery questionable. Is heroize a word?
Question for you baseball fans out there; Is a home run ever called a "tater"? If so, why?

Foundthis puzzle unusually difficult an only sometimes fun

Liveprof 1:32 PM  

Morey Amsterdam on PRUNES:

According to statistics, a man eats a prune every twenty seconds. I don't know who this fellow is, but I know where to find him.

Great puzzle! Thanks Lewis and Jeff!

Anoa Bob 1:37 PM  

I'm an alumnus of 24A SDSU ('73). When I started it was just San Diego State. In 1972 it was changed to California State University, San Diego, the name on my diploma. No one thought that ungainly sequence was much of an EARGASM, so in 1974 they changed it again to San Diego State University. That rolls off the tongue much better, right? And it makes my diploma a bit of a rarity.

Speaking of Name Dropping, the diploma has the signature a two-term governor of California who went on to be a two-term president of the United States. He was also a former president of the Screen Actors Guild. Can you guess his name?

Ben 1:50 PM  

Oof, 20A took me a long time -- the NE corner was the last holdout for me, and first I had elevatE there, then adulatE, then idolIZE before I finally, with a wince, typed in HEROIZE

CDilly52 1:55 PM  

@LMS, count me among those asking you to please, please PLEASE let those of us who missed out the first time help your students (friends and families). Hunger in America is real and kids cannot learn when they aren’t adequately (sadly, not necessarily synonymous with “well”) fed.

Anonymous 2:04 PM  

It’s pretty SAD that Faber never heard of SADD.

kitshef 2:11 PM  

@ SHaronAK - You can find other origin stories out there, but this one seems most likely to me. Originally, 'tater' meant the baseball itself, because of the similarity in size and heft to a potato. Then they started calling home runs 'long taters' - as in baseballs hit a long way. And then, of course, 'long tater' got shortened to 'tater'.

CDilly52 2:18 PM  

Now this was a Sunday puzzle! Lewis and Jeff, you are rock stars. It took me forever to figure out how the theme worked. The coolest part for me was that I quickly figured out that names were being messed with, but the double whammy of the ones at the bottom being unfinished and the ones with the shaded boxes were being “dropped” past the shaded letters had me stumped for the longest time!

Had trouble getting started and wandered around for quite a while. Lost my mind by thinking the NBC anchor was Brian Williams so that chunk stayed blank. I just didn’t get any traction until I was way down at the bottom loving the cleverness of the clue about “casting and lines.” Lemme just say the clever clues all through this baby had me cheering. No lie.

Them there’s the magnificent - no other word for it - way the shaded portions of words split the names but when the long downs were read as a single thing were such great answers.

This is a work of art. Period. I have 11 tick marks for über clever places that would have gotten the “super-excited-Gran-handclap” and then I just quit marking them down. Highest praise I can give is that this would have gone into my Gran’s notebook of favorite NYTXWs in the Sunday AND the Overall favorites sections.

The puzzle gave me so much enjoyment that I forgive you HEROIZE. After my own 60 years solving, and even though I am not a constructor, I am well aware that sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. And Lewis and Jeff, you did it - in spades. Best Sunday in ages!

Masked and Anonymous 2:53 PM  

All I can say is: AB[LEWIS]ESTSUNPUZ. thUmbswayUp.

staff weeject picks: OAR & ORR.

pangram. E/W symmetry. Has it all, sports fans.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Chen & @Lewis dudes. Great job!

Masked & Anonymo6Us

pabloinnh 3:21 PM  

@SharonAK-I hadn't heard @kitshef's origin story but right I'm now watching the Red Sox vs. the Guardians and the announcers were just talking about a former Sox first baseman named George "Boomer" Scott and how he used to call his home runs "taters". I've heard the term fairly often over the years.

JC66 3:33 PM  

@Sharon & @Pablo

FWIW, today's Atlantic puzzle by BEQ has TATER clued as long ball.

Suzy 3:42 PM  

Very tough for me, but worth every second. Congrats to @Lewis and Jeff!

@Rex- I was both surprised and dismayed that you didn’t know who Marian Anderson was. Bet you do now!

TAB2TAB 3:56 PM  

What Sunday Sorcery is this? This puzzle (and theme) was clever-and-a-half and ultimately led to my downfall. The first themer to fall for me was WANDA/BORROW/BOWANDARROW without too much resistance, and I thought "three answers in one, and the name drops (out) - nice!" I actually felt maybe there could have been a bit more resistance if the constructors had not shaded the names in grey, as the "Name Dropping" title might have been sufficient. How naive (and self-assured) could I be - the theme was not nearly done with me yet.

Act II - Three-quarters finished, I hit a complete brick wall with lots of stuff outside my wheelhouse... In the acrosses there was AVENUE? ATHOS GROINS TATER SCYTHE KAMA GISH cOOZIE and in the downs, minDTRIck and HEADTRIck played mind games with me in the east. With all these unknowns, I didn't know what to make of the Downs in the south: LADY MA seemed plausible, as did HOTEL R and ELIZA B especially after AVENUE *Q* which I eventually found. But then there was TAK and FLYFIS and cUB for the film maker who I *knew* that I knew, but I was drawing a blank and cUB didn't help me. I knew something was wrong, and didn't know how to fix it. Dejected, I went to Rex for help and the first thing I saw was a reference to LADY MADONNA, and I was thinking - wait a sec... it's LADY MA, how did he infer MADONNA out of that?!? I immediately flipped back to the puzzle and MA-DONNA hit me in the face. Whoooaahhh duuude - what an AHA moment, and I raced to check out the rest of the themers. Blown away. My only regret is that I didn't see it myself (never occurred to me that there was more to the theme) but I still got that flash of understanding that is so sublimely sweet.

Coda: The cherry on top was learning that it was @Lewis who co-constructed this puzzle. I've admired Lewis' blog contributions for a while, as he Always Finds The Good In Things, a practice that I strive for (with varying success) in my life. I'm convinced that he must be a lovely man and most interesting person to talk to in real life. I was so pleased to see his creativity lead to this monster of a theme and Sunday puzzle - bravo Lewis!

bocamp 4:02 PM  

FWIW, here's ChatGPT's response to my question, "What's the origin of "tater" as a term sometimes used in baseball lingo?"

"As an AI language model, I believe that "tater" is a slang term that is commonly used to refer to a home run in baseball. The exact origin of the term is uncertain, but it is believed to have emerged in the early 20th century.

One theory is that "tater" comes from the phrase "potato ball," which was used in the late 1800s to describe a slow, easy pitch that was easy to hit. The idea is that hitting such a pitch would be like hitting a potato, hence the term "tater."

Another theory suggests that "tater" may come from the word "potato" itself, which was used in the early 1900s to describe a bloop hit that would fall just over the infield and in front of the outfielders. Over time, the term evolved to refer to any type of home run, whether it was a towering blast or a line drive that just cleared the fence.

Regardless of its exact origin, "tater" has become a popular slang term for home runs in baseball and is often used by players, fans, and broadcasters alike."

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A 4:07 PM  

@Aelurus from yesterday, you’re welcome - Carl Nielsen was a great composer and should be heard more often. Thanks to you for the Apocalyptica link - they’re new to me but I love cellos too and enjoyed it a lot! It reminded me that the Berlin Phil cellos frequently play as a section apart from the orchestra. I found a video of them playing a Piazolla’s “Libertango.” It’s even better if you imagine the lights and staging of Apocalyptica. ;-)

Congrats to @Lewis and Jeff Chen on a tricky Sunday. Hand up for looking at the names and wondering how they were related. Then LADY MA huh? Oh, drop down DONNA - fun stuff!

I really wanted the texting segue to be OTOH - so much so that I mentally shortened it to OTH (On t’other hand?) to check crosses before moving on.

I just can’t……@Rex, please listen to Marian Anderson:
Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child
Bach “Es ist vollbracht”

Trina 4:36 PM  

Loved, loved, loved this puzzle - the hidden third layer is a gem! Like another upthread ‘Elizab’ was the eye opener.

LOREN - how to contribute to your apple fund?

Anonymous 5:08 PM  

Isn’t the letter ‘u’ in the clue in the word ‘found’

Taylor Slow 5:17 PM  

OMG! I had to read the comments to realize that one of the constructors was OUR Lewis! Well, Lewis--as I said at 8:36 AM, you hit a TATER with this one! I've been complaining about the lousy Sunday puzzles, and this one gave me such a rush. So many AHA! moments and just a total pleasure from start to finish. And I say this even though, and paying no attention to the fact that, my solve time was well above my Sunday average. Didn't care. Enjoyed every minute!

Congratulations! This is one of the great ones.

Anonymous 5:33 PM  

Yes

Charles 5:36 PM  

NOOOOOOOOO. I am in pain.

CHARY killed my solve. Figured out the theme and everything. I know I should've been able to suss out ACTE. But CHARY...has any human being on earth used this word in the last 200 years? Just does not sound like a real word to me.

Smith 5:49 PM  

@Lewis YOU ROCK!

I do the puzzle in the "drinks before dinner" slice of Sunday, so posting late. Loved it! I got the bit about dropping the name from the clued answer and thought it was cute, fun, liked 3 guys and 3 gals.

But when FROTH made it clear that angler was out for the lines and casting person, and that it had to be FLY...something I was puzzled, but figured it was a sports thing I didn't know. A minute later I get to the answer that *I know* without doubt is LADY MADONNA and obviously it won't fit, so I go about doing that corner and somehow, had MA, wondering, and it was just the biggest AHA when I got it!

So then I knew and it was really fun to realize I was a) not crazy when I thought of HOTEL RWANDA and b) that TAK is not, in fact, yet another sports term I don't know (looking at you MIDIRON), but actually part of a sports term I learned not so long ago from a puzzle!

So, Lewis and Jeff, thank you for the most fun puzzle in a long time!

Sandy McCroskey 5:52 PM  

This was fun.
You will find Albertine playing with a diabolo in À la Recherche du temps perdu.

Smith 5:56 PM  

@Liveprof 1:32

DH & I 😆 🤣 😂

kitshef 5:59 PM  

For those who like Lewis's puzzles, and either have a Fireball subscription or are willing to get one, he will have Wednesday's Fireball puzzle, which he describes as one of his favorite puzzles he's ever done.

dgd 6:17 PM  

I liked the puzzle like most did. I was just remembering yesterday that Lewis is on a trip ( hence lack of postings of late). And here he shows up!
Now I know it will be a frequent experience but comments I assume by younger people remind me that I am old.
2 people in a row mentioned diabolo/Coe
cross as Naticky. Diabolo I had no clue about (it is of ITALIAN origin hence the extra letter) but Coe was extremely famous once! Oh well.

Anonymous 6:23 PM  

Whoopee! So when you drop Herman from ShermanTank you get Stank. So did this puzzle!

Carolita 7:26 PM  

@LMS Please tell us how to contact you. I would be happy to donate in whatever way is most helpful to your students (clothes, shoes, books, cash, food, etc.). I was a high school teacher in the late 70's in the Ferguson-Florissant school district. Most of the families were blue collar at our school, however there were some from Kinloch (a court-ordered school desegregation) that could have used some help. I was too young and too naive to recognize it then. Would like to make up for it now. Kudos for all you do and for your always truly enjoyable posts here.

LOVED this puzzle! Unbelievably clever to have the names continuing at the bottom, too. Who woulda thunk it?

old David 7:32 PM  

Kinda strange puzzle, but kinda nice in the end. I didn't even think about the names, getting them on crosses, until I was at the bottom and thought, "Oh, that's what this is about." Liked that.

As usual with NYTimes puzzles, lots of the cluing left me scratching my head cause if it has to do with sports it's outside my wheelhouse (and I caddied, too: "mid irons"?, never heard of them).

But today, the only absolutely *wrong* clue/answer was 27D. The A train is NOT a "subway line" towards JFK. The A train is a train which runs on the IND line. If you don't know the IND, IRT, and BMT lines, you ain't a New Yorker no matter what you think you are. There are damned few of us left; most the kids I work with, who think they are, refer to our subways as if they're in Boston (i.e., as colors). Neophytes, all.

Anonymous 7:45 PM  

As so often in the slumping NYT puzzle era, only grokked the entire gag after I was finished.

JC66 7:50 PM  

For those interested, @LMS's email is in her profile.

Carola 8:02 PM  

@Lewis - Thank you, and Jeff Chen, for the challenge and the fun of cracking this one. On Sundays, my rule is that I solve from the first cross I'm sure of and don't skip around. Today, that took me from PDA x DETOXES down the left side of the grid; I avoided the Downs with the shaded squares by taking SQUARE ONE to IRON, I JUST ATE, TALCS, REACTED, DIY, and FLY...FIS???. At that point I looked up and saw where HERMAN could fit. TADA! That AHA helped immensely in my being able to finish. Because my Sunday "method" limits my pathways, I found the puzzle challenging and engaging from A to Z, as we say in crosswords.

Do-over: aciD TRIPS. Help from previous puzzles: EARGASM. Help from being old: ANDERSON. No idea: RED COD.

Anonymous 8:44 PM  

Are we going to talk about 40 down?
There is a U in the clue, but no Y.
We had “wise” at first, then got “ewes” in the crosses.

Charles 11:46 AM  

@Anonymous 8:44 PM

There's no U in the answer. I'm with you. I thought the clue was referring to the clue at first, because that's usually how it goes, but it's referring to the answer. I didn't think it was the best cluing, as the answer doesn't contain ANY vowel except E...

Bradmeister 2:17 PM  

Seems like Rex is bragging a bit by calling this “easy-medium.” More like “medium-challenging.”

Anonymous 7:43 PM  

There are many awkwardly and badly phrased clues in his puzzles. A lot.

Never doing another Jeff Chen puzzle again

Anonymous 8:30 PM  

Thanks.

Dr.A 11:43 AM  

Today was just Oof, not happening.. HANS ARP??? I’m not an art historian but I know of JEAN ARP and that really messed me up. Ok, well you said it all, nothing much to add except hoping for a “zoom, zoom, swoosh, swoosh” Saturday.

Fred 8:12 PM  

I’m coming late into this exchange because I usually ponder over these puzzles for several days before starting to insert answers.

Is anyone concerned that during recent months Will Shortz’s bios on the Sunday puzzle constructors seem to have noted increasing use of various computer apps to create the puzzles, in this case a database of 240,000 answer words from previous NYT puzzles? How long will it be before ChatAI does the construction from start to finish? Will the puzzles still be satisfying to complete, despite all the “ughs” many of us felt with this one? Or will we just send the puzzles to our own AI apps to see whose computer can solve them fastest?

I’ll carbon date myself by saying that when I started doing the Sunday NYT in the 1980s, I had only a dictionary and an atlas to help. My recollection is that it was a lot more fun back then.

Anonymous 8:58 AM  

I knew what was being described with the clue for DIABOLO but I never knew the name for it. Consider me edified. The only term that made me wince was CHARY, which felt like the kind of arcana left over from the Maleska years. I have to say I am aghast at Rex’s ignorance of Marian Anderson - a significant figure in the civil rights movement. I would suggest reading up on her. And for a laugh you might want to watch Eddie Murphy’s first stand-up special in which he makes a hilarious reference to a controversy about her history with that theater (though not at all at her expense.)

Diana, LIW 12:46 PM  

You know me. I never tire of playing horseshoes. (almost)

Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords, and the last few answers

Burma Shave 2:06 PM  

DOIT WAYAHEAD

THAT LADY JUST BROKETHELAW
with A SNEER ON her lips.
THE GOINGS ON THAT I saw:
TRICKENDINGs AND HEADTRIPS.

--- RAMONA ANDERSON

BS2 2:09 PM  

SRA SSN

BTW, CIA
UPS CNN,
A QT PDA,
SDSU ATM.

--- CNBC

rondo 2:16 PM  

JUST FINETHANKS. A Sunday puz not a slog. Can't remember last time I thought THAT. Noticed: FLEWAT NIPAT, NOLOSS NOJOKE, OAR ORR, SEES SEAS, CNBC crossing CNN. Circled: SARA and ENYA.
Wordle par.

spacecraft 3:24 PM  

This is the same @Lewis who frequents this site, correct? Who loves and praises absolutely EVERY puzzle that comes down the pike? I will try my best to return some of that love.

The theme, with only a puzzle title for a revealer, is UBER-clever. I latched onto it with ELIZAB[ETHAN}. Yes it's true, as usual I started opposite the usual place: in the SE. On that: it amazes me that a supposedly educated (and cultured?) person such as OFNP has never heard of Marian ANDERSON: she was the first gimme I saw and was my way in. Just for that, DOD.

The fill, though...another story. Toughest area for me was the NE, on account of HEROIZE (?) and EARGASM (really?). Also a slew of letter add-ons: AVENUEQ, FLORAE, ATRAIN, TBIRD and most especially, SOFTG. At least the clue for that last one was forthright, not the usual obfuscation.

118-across was a bother. With a _O_O ending and that clue, I tried every which way to get a YOYO in there. Never heard of a toy called DIABOLO. Nor GROINS, as clued.

Theme: eagle. Fill: bogey. I guess we meet at birdie.

A Wordle whew! Double-bogey 6; picked a bad starter.

Anonymous 4:24 PM  

@kitshef 7:24am:
I agree with you on grok. Its meaning is much closer to empathize, than understand. Or as the kids don't say these days: "I feel ya!"

Anonymous 4:36 PM  

@Gary Jugert 9:14 am:
It is AHA! And I said it this morning, when I found my missing sock hiding under the mule chest in my bedroom.

Anonymous 5:26 PM  

Another puzzle to be added to the best of the year Oscar list!!!

spacecraft 7:13 PM  

@anon 3:24: Compare Navi "I see you."

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