Poison classification / SAT 10-17-26 / Skin care brand from Japan / Mothers in cotes / Plant parts that develop as a seedling grows / "The Duck Variations" playwright / Urban locale that looks out on Ellis Island / Scot's word meaning "past" / Seafood-based ingredient in Eastern cuisines / One getting ripped off at a venue

Saturday, October 17, 2026

Constructor: August Miller

Relative difficulty: Medium (with one murderous square)

THEME: none 

Word of the Day: TRUE LEAVES (26D: Plant parts that develop as a seedling grows) —
True leaves are the mature leaves that follow the initial embryonic leaves, known as cotyledons, in a plant’s life cycle. Cotyledons, sometimes referred to as seed leaves, are present in the early stages of germination and serve as temporary structures that provide nourishment to the developing plant. As the plant grows, it produces true leaves, which are typically the characteristic leaves of the species. True leaves exhibit the typical shape, size, and structural features of the plant’s foliage, reflecting its genetic makeup and environmental influences. (plantpropagation.org)
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[My TREE LEAVES right now—spectacular]

Yeah, see, the thing about TR-E LEAVES is ... I feel like if you asked 100 people to fill in the missing letter, 97 would put in an "E." Also, since TRUE LEAVES are, in fact, TREE LEAVES (the parts of trees we all identify as "leaves"), then it's not even really wrong. So what about the cross? Well, as for skin care brands, Japanese or otherwise, let's just say that I am not the one to ask (35A: Skin care brand from Japan). And yet, bizarrely, I know *enough* about skin care brands to know that there definitely is one that starts "CER-"—I looked it up afterwards and sure enough:


And so, in short, I was totally satisfied with TREE LEAVES / CEREL. The End. If this had been a tournament, I would have submitted this with one big fat error. I am really curious to see if anyone else did this. I figure if you know your skin care brands well, then no. As soon as I changed that "E" to "U" (after going over every answer in my grid to find the error), I thought "Oh yeah, CUREL, that sounds familiar." But TREE LEAVES just seemed undeniable to me, and, as I say, there is a "CER-" skin care brand out there, so CUREL never even made it to my radar. I thought this was a fairly lovely puzzle overall, but I won't remember much of it now. I will remember TRUE LEAVES, though. So at least I learned something, however small a consolation that seems right now.


Other than the fact that I didn't get the "Congratulations" message when I entered the final square, this played like a fairly standard Saturday for me—bunch of initially inscrutable clues that gradually started to make sense. I managed to get only EWES in the far NW (19A: Mothers in cotes), but then hit on STUB just a little further down (30D: One getting ripped off at a venue), which got me both SHALE and URGE, and from there, I was off—not at a particularly fast clip, but at a consistent one. A few of the longer answers took a lot of crossing before I got them, starting with LIFE CHANGE—the LIFE part was the last thing to go in that corner (3D: Relocating to a different country, e.g.). LIFE was way vaguer a term than I was imagining. And then with the book of family secrets, after a few crosses I had RECORD BOOK, which seemed weak ... because it was (16A: Where some family secrets may be written). Delighted to discover it was RECIPE BOOK all along (unlike with LIFE CHANGE, RECIPE BOOK felt like a struggle rewarded—good answer, well hidden). But the biggest 'aha' moment I got with a longer answer today came at 31D: Poison classification. Talk about hiding your real subject! I had HAIR- at the beginning of the answer and was still thinking of Poison as a lethal substance. "Are there ... HAIR-melting poisons? HAIRINESS? So they classify poisons by HAIRINESS?" It was only after I'd gone underneath and gotten the "-AL" that I realized Poison, in this case, is the band. The HAIR METAL band. Sweet clue, dude.


This was a pleasingly literary puzzle, with playwright David MAMET (43D: "The Duck Variations" playwright) and poet Elizabeth Bishop (34A: "One ___" (Elizabeth Bishop poem that repeats the line "The ___ of losing isn't hard to master") and a full-named GRACE PALEY (short story writer and poet) (53A: Author of the story collections "The Little Disturbances of Man" *(1959) and "Enormous Changes at the Last Minute" (1974))! Good for GRACE PALEY (1922-2007)! I feel like not enough people know her stories (or her poetry). GRACE PALEY reminds me of my best friend Shaun, who once met her and maybe even interviewed her for some reason, I forget the details (sorry, Shaun). If you were stumped or troubled by either of the long names today (not just GRACE PALEY, but ALISON BRIE (18A: Actress who plays Trudy on "Mad Men" and Annie on "Community"), or any of the shorter names (there really weren't that many), hopefully neither of the names murdered you the way CUREL murdered me. OK, maybe not murdered, but knocked out for sure. KO'd by the CUREL Cross!

One Art

The art of losing isn’t hard to master;
so many things seem filled with the intent
to be lost that their loss is no disaster.

Lose something every day. Accept the fluster
of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.

Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
places, and names, and where it was you meant
to travel. None of these will bring disaster.

I lost my mother’s watch. And look! my last, or
next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.

I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster,
some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
I miss them, but it wasn’t a disaster.

—Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
I love) I shan’t have lied. It’s evident
the art of losing’s not too hard to master
though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster. (thepoetryfoundation.org)
Bullets:
  • 39A: Establishment selling craft products? (BEER BARS) — I got the BEER part easy but then ... I just wouldn't commit to BARS? Seemed the obvious finisher, but it also just sounded ... wrong. Brewpubs sell craft beers. "BEER BARS" is not a term I know or hear often. Wine bars, sure, cocktail bars, yes, but BEER BARS? Establishments that sell beer? I just call them "bars." Cheers sells beer. Cheers is a bar. That is my beer/bar logic.
  • 56A: Scot's word meaning "past" (SYNE) — as in "Auld Lang SYNE." I watched a creepy 1945 Val Lewton horror movie yesterday about grave-robbing called The Body Snatcher (starring Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi), and it's set in Scotland and despite no one's having anything near a Scottish accent, every once in a while a Scots phrase would pop up, including a rueful and morbid "Auld Lang SYNE" (the protagonist does not really want to remember what happened "a long time ago").
  • 5D: Birds whose wings might be folded? (CRANES) — these are the birds most closely associated with the folding art of origami. Really nice clue.
  • 44D: Lane in Superman movies (DIANE) — I have mostly ignored any Superman movies that don't star Christopher Reeve, so I was wholly unaware that DIANE Lane ever starred in one, let alone more than one. She was in a movie called My New Gun in the '90s that I think no one saw but I remember really liking. 
  • 25A: Part of many home improvement projects (PAINT JOB) — Hmm. I had PAINTING here for a while. I feel like cars get PAINT JOBs. Houses just get painted. 
  • 11D: Fem. or masc. (ABBR.) — true, but brutal, in that the clue really really seems to be pointing you toward something specific (gender-specific). The clue could just as easily have been [Tsp. or hwy.] but where's the fun in that (actually, that is kind of fun ... I like the idea of people trying to figure out what "teaspoon" and "highway" have in common, only to discover the answer is nothing, they're just abbreviations)
  • 27D: Urban locale that looks out on Ellis Island (JERSEY CITY) — home of WFMU! I was just there last month doing a little station benefit crossword meet-up thingie. There will probably be another one next year and it will almost certainly be bigger, so I'm already excited for that.
[JERSEY CITY's own ... Kool & the Gang (I learned this while writing a clue for my WFMU crossword meet-up puzzle)]

I'm off to listen to WFMU right now, in fact (morning post-blog ritual: coffee and the radio). I missed Evan Davies's Tuesday afternoon show this week, so I'll probably just listen to that in the show archives. I hope to see a small handful of you later today at the Finger Lakes Crossword Competition (see below). Otherwise, that's all for today. See you next time.
 
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

P.S. The Fourteenth Annual (!!) Finger Lakes Crossword Competition is TODAY, Saturday, October 17! It's a nice, low-key way to spend an autumn afternoon. Original puzzles by Ithaca resident Adam Perl, who has made many puzzles for the NYT over the years. I'll be there! Judging you! Actually, just scoring the puzzles. Proceeds benefit Tompkins Learning Partners, an adult literacy organization. 1-4pm, Boynton Middle School, Ithaca, NY. If you're local, come on out and say hi and solve some puzzles and meet other people like yourself (they exist!). All the information you need is here.
 

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145 comments:

Anonymous 5:55 AM  

I was so happy how this one came together as it was difficult at first blush, but then sat there with no clue there was a "murderous square." Cerel seemed well enough to me as trEe leaves had to be it.

Anonymous 5:58 AM  

in one of the 97 ahhh

Anonymous 6:29 AM  

Man, I almost felt the Poison Classification clue needed a “?” Had me stumped for a while but did get a laugh when I finally saw it.

Anonymous 6:39 AM  

Right with you with tree and cerel!

Anders 6:45 AM  

TREE LEAVES for me too. After multiple scans, did dubiously try TRUE just because it seemed like it could be a phrase and got the fanfare. Also never heard of CUREL.

Let out a genuine audible expostulation when HAIR METAL finally came -- well played, that one. Best misdirect in a long time.

Todd 6:50 AM  

I thought it was done last night and had no idea what was wrong. Aha the murderous square.

Rick 6:52 AM  

Challenging for sure. One of the hardest in a long time. TRUE/CUREL is a Natick if I ever saw one.

Anonymous 7:00 AM  

0 days without ECIG (please make it go away)

Adam 7:01 AM  

Like you and the others commenting here, I was also stumped by TRUE/CUREL. I also had FISH SAUCE instead of FISH PASTE, but that's another story...

Anonymous 7:04 AM  

Same for me, originally entered TREELEAVES. It took a couple times through the puzzle before I tried a U in there. Thanks for your blog!

Son Volt 7:09 AM  

The dreaded four corner - limited flow grid. There’s some decent things but the stuff Rex highlights nearly ruined it for me. One full proper name in a puzzle is too much - I don’t care who they are to me it’s lazy and right out of the TV Guide playbook. Today I knew both cold so they filled a lot of real estate without thinking twice.

Linger on

Overall fill was fine for the most part - ARE WE THERE, TRUE LEAVES and the truly wonderful HAIR METAL. TECH CEO atop THE US is brutal. Rex rightly kills ABBR - I’d add MONEYED, PLO, IN RE, ISM and the ugly E CIG which I still can’t understand why it’s gets so much airtime in the NYTXW.

BITTER They Are

Daunting to open but I made it through unscathed. Some good - some bad but in the end a pleasant enough Saturday morning solve. Matt Sewell’s Stumper presents the same highly segmented grid today and lives up to the name.

DIANE

Anonymous 7:13 AM  

I wholly agree with Rex's assessment. Medium with a murder square.

Re: Rex's thoughts on ABBR: this is one of my biggest cluing pet peeves, and it's even worse with NOUN(S) and VERB(S). There are so many possibilities for misdirection that the clues don't come across as clever at all. Take the clue [Bob and weave, e. g.]. If the answer is VERBS, whatever, you just groan and move on. If it's HAIRSTYLES, you really appreciate the ingenuity behind the clue.

Andrew Z. 7:16 AM  

Mostly good puzzle, even though I’ve never heard of either of the two long names and I made the same TReE mistake as everyone else. Proud that I got HAIR METAL with no crosses.

RooMonster 7:25 AM  

Hey All !
TRUE LEAVES. Hmm. Where has this phrase been hiding? All the Arbor Days of planting trees, all of history talking about trees, leaves changing colors, reblooming in the spring, and not once have I ever heard the word/phrase " ah, I see that tree has got its TRUE LEAVES now." Am I just not up on my arboreal dictums?

Sure, I know CUREL is a skin care brand, but 1) I didn't know it was from Japan, and 2) figuring the brand was just in Japan, and not worldwide, why not a brand named CEREL?

All that to say, yes, count me in as the probable many who had the E for the U. TRUE LEAVES, Bah!

Otherwise, the puz played restrictive, in that it took some brain finagling to wrestle down a few answers. But ended up solving quickly, 28 minutes for me, which is quick on a sticky SatPuz, even though the resistance was fairly high. A good puz, that seemed tough to crack, over in half an hour. Perfect! TRUE LEAVES notwithstanding.

Had lie for ISM, thinking myself clever. Also peTSHELTER-CATSHELTER, FILLedaGAP-FILLTHEGAP, teal-CYAN, orso-INRE, Lime-LEAD, game-CUES.

Inspired clue on HAIR METAL. Got a huge Hah! when I had enough letters to see it. Good cluing throughout.

Hope y'all have a great Saturday!

Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 7:25 AM  

Exactly my experience!!! You wrote it for me. Thank you.

Tom F 7:29 AM  

Because of the nature of ABBR and a few excellent clues I was wary of TREE leaves because it seemed to obvious, and so I worked it out - BEERBAR kind of the antithesis to that logic.

Delightful - more like this please

Lewis 7:32 AM  

Okay, where’s the junk in this uber-low 66-word-28-black-square grid, with its chunks of white that invite frightful crosses to the long answers? Amazingly, hardly a whiff to be found.

That in itself is impressive. But get this. Here, today, we are looking at the paradigm of freshness in answer. More than three-quarters (.76) of the grid’s squares with letters belong to answers that have appeared either never- or once-before!

And the answers are interesting! Beauteous debuts such as CAT SHELTER, FISH PASTE, LIFE CHANGE, RECIPE BOOK, and SEDER PLATE.

But, most importantly, how was the solve? All this impressive data is worthless if the solve is meh. Well, for me, the solve was filled with giddy gets. The cluing had wordplay and deft mis-direction that gave my brain the work it loves.

I felt like I earned this one, and that’s the hallmark of a proper Saturday. You sure can craft a wicked and terrific themeless, August. Please, please, keep at it. Thank you for this!

Anonymous 7:36 AM  

Had all of the problems CITEd by OFL, but found them more troublesome by far—this one was definitely challenging for me despite furiously googling almost from the get go. Finally got HAIR METAL without understanding the reference: was thinking it had to do with finding arsenic, say, in hair from someone who had been poisoned (believe I read this once re the exiled Napoleon).

Surprised @Rex did not comment on the segmented grid design, which really added to the difficulty I had, particularly in the NW, where the equally valid alternatives dog and peT to precede SHELTER at 4-Down kept me guessing for a long time. And of course that [grawlix] U… Very satisfying to finally hear the music, though.

webwinger

Rick Sacra 7:40 AM  

Wow, so interesting how we all struggle in different spots. I was remembering back to science books I used to nerd out in during elementary school.... is it cotyledons? That actually fits and has LE in the same place as TRUELEAVES, but I thought... no the cotyledons are the big things on a dicot seed that actually shrivel up.... so it must be.... (couldn't figure it out, came back later).... once I had leaves, I knew it had to be TRUE (and I thought CUREL sounded right).... So that square didn't kill me. But this puzzle was definitely in the medium-challenging category at 25 minutes this AM. VISA vs amex, had no idea about ETON or SYNE or DIANE so just had to wait for the long downs to take shape. Finally tried ACAI again and then say CITY and that corner finally fell.... DIANE and SYNE were my ending. Knew it should be CRANES but had TECHBRO before CEO so that tripped me up for a bit. The NW corner was my second-to-last area. Spent about 7 or 8 minutes just running the alphabet around the cross of CUES and THEUS.... those took me far too long to see. RECIPEBOOK, LIFECHANGE, SEDERPLATE, all really nice. 65 words, no cheater squares, and only 3 three-letter answers. Fun superman pairing, HAIRMETAL.... This puzzle is SPOTLIT for sure!!!! Thanks, August!!! ***** from me!!! : )

Ted 7:50 AM  

I'm here, and I am one of the 97. Woof.

Anonymous 7:53 AM  

Sheepishly raising hand for “tree leaves” because I am positive there is a crusty old bottle of Curel lotion buried somewhere in the back of the toilet trees drawer.

Twangster 7:56 AM  

I was going to comment that that crossing is so brutal it requires a new name to describe it, a la Natick or kealoa. But murderous probably does capture it.

jberg 7:59 AM  

It's No Kings/Vote Early Day, so I have to be quick. Yeah, sure, I went with CeREL /TReE LEAVES. This was particularly frustrating since I knew what TRUE LEAVES are--I even considered seEd LEAVES as an answer, but it didn't fit the clue--they are the tiny leaves that are already formed when the seed opens and the shoot comes out. But somehow I'd forgotten that the TRUE LEAVES were called that. Gah! As for skin care, unless it's Clinique or Olay, I'm lost.

I grew up in Wisconsin, where if you were in one of the right counties you could buy BEER, but not wine or hard liquor, at the age of 18. Everything else was 21. So there were several BEER BARS to meet the demand. They did not feature craft products. So I went with BEER hall, then BEER pubS before BARS was forced upon me by crosses. I thought THE US was awkward, as well, although it's defensible.

I've been giving away books in large numbers, preparatory to moving to a smaller house, but I certainly had, and perhaps still have some by GRACE PALEY. But I first learned of her as a frequent speaker at peace rallies in the 1960s, and did not know those short story collections, so that was tough. As for ARIA--it was a stretch, but I figured it out. HAIR METAL, though--I just can't get used to classifying music according to the way the performers look. Maybe we should rename the Baroque style as "powdered wig."

So overall, I liked the tricky clues, and the puzzle, but thought some of the trickiness was unfair. But maybe that's just my mood.

Mary in NE 8:02 AM  

I knew Curel thanks to Zhouqin (C. C.) Burnikel! She mentioned on her L. A. Times Crossword Corner some years ago that she used Curel Extra Dry Hand Relief and posted a photo of the tube. I've used that cream ever since.

Kent 8:04 AM  

I even tried to make BOLO a BOvO(?) to get CERA-v before I was reminded of CUREL.

Anonymous 8:05 AM  

Love the WFMU link! Thanks for sharing and supporting the uphill struggle to maintain public radio.

phil phil 8:06 AM  

I think the tree/true was defined by the clue as plant. There are no tree leaves on all plants just trees whereas true leaves cover all plants. If the clue was some plants then I suppose it could be tree leaves. Anyway saturday type clue.

Liveprof 8:11 AM  

FISH PASTE: Adhesive for repairing your halibut.

Beloved baseball mom who gave birth to Mr. Met: MAMET

Genre for Dick and Jane books featuring their playful dog: SPOTLIT

******
Good puzzle! Appreciate the nod to Jersey. The BEERBARS must be in England since they cross with BITTER at 40D. Loved ordering a "pint of bitter" in London a long time ago. Finally got to Krug's Tavern in Newark (NJ) whose burgers are very highly rated and did not disappoint. Unpretentious. Make sure you ask for the (free) pickles and peppers.

Anonymous 8:21 AM  

I also naticked with true- tree. But the puzzle was wonderful.🎈🎈🎊🎊

Lynn 8:23 AM  

I just noticed there's a 10-4 vibe reminiscent of a recent puzzle

ChrisR 8:24 AM  

TReELEAVES/CeREL as well

Anonymous 8:27 AM  

I saw The New Gun! And loved it. And wonderful to see Grace Paley. Great short stories.

Anonymous 8:28 AM  

Oops. My New Gun.

Anonymous 8:33 AM  

I had a leg up on the TRUE LEAVES because I start much of my garden from seed and the TRUE LEAVES tell me what I've planted because I once again didn't label anything. But then I have a bottle of Purell on my desk and tried to drop the last "L", so there we are, both at the same TRUE TREE with different legs up.

Andy Freude 8:33 AM  

So, are the leaves that grow later false leaves?

Yeah, I’m part of the 97. Also agree with all of Rex’s superlatives today. A top-notch Saturday, tricky, with lots of satisfying wordplay. And it put “One Art” in my head again. To the accompaniment, thanks to OFL, of Kool and the Gang.

Anonymous 8:37 AM  

Also DNF due to TREELEAVES/CEREL

Anonymous 8:50 AM  

I also had TREELEAVES/ CEREL. Instinctively, I knew it was incorrect, but I’d never heard the term TRUELEAVES

Rick Sacra 9:02 AM  

Thank you for 'powdered wig'!!

egsforbreakfast 9:11 AM  

Did anyone see the documentary about a coked-out, unpredictable culinary artist called CHEFunSTABLE. Even better than CHEFSTABLE.

We had a big cheese tasting where Mrs. Egs assigned me and my friends to each replenish a specific cheese as it was depleted by the crowd. "OK,"she said
"Egs is on Manchego. Fred is on Gruyère and ALISONBRIE."

First time I took my boy out beyond the jetty on a boat I said "This is the OPENSEASON."

After @Rex said "This was a pleasingly literary puzzle" I thought "Man, that guy can sure SPOTLIT."

TIL that "emigrating" and LIFECHANGE have the same number of letters and, arguably are equally good answers for [Relocating to a different country, eg.].

If you've been wondering what two-time NBA All Star Reggie THEUS has been up to, apparently he has gone through some LIFECHANGEs and ended up winning gold medals in several very different women's sports in the 2024 Olympics. I'm very proud of THEUS for these accomplishments.

TRUELEAVES a bad taste in my mouth since I had TREE to the bitter end. But the puzzle was still an absolute joy to solve. Thanks, August Miller.

thfenn 9:11 AM  

I'm kind of with phil phil - TreELEAVES didnt even occur to me. And yet today was harder for me than most. Another hand up for FILLedaGAP (tho that would be "met an unmet need"). Didnt know Grace or Alison. A beer what? CALC and ARIA threw me. HAIRMETAL was fabulous, in retrospect, but, I kid you not, I lived with it without making the leap to the band. Tough morning. But celebrating a Thursday to Saturday run without a fail.

Jonathan K. 9:12 AM  

Apparently Diane Lane wasn't famous enough in 1992 for the narrator of the "My New Gun" trailer to get her name right, calling her Diane Lake (an amalgam of Diane Ladd and Veronica Lake, perhaps?)

Katie Sievers 9:22 AM  

Murderous square got me. 💀

Katie Sievers 9:23 AM  

I had art before sauce and thought I'd lost my mind because it had to be sauce, but the T seemed unimpeachable. I was ready to throw out the poem for fish sauce!

Mike G 9:24 AM  

Loved this one, but it played much harder than medium for me. Avoided the TREELEAVES/CEREL issue because TREE seemed too easy for this puzzle. NE was difficult for me because I refused to replace SLATE with SHALE for a long time. ALISON BRIE is apparently the star of two shows I've never seen, which slowed me down since she was underneath a documentary I've never watched. GRACE PALEY is the author of many stories I've never read, crossed with a playwright I only know from crosswords, but at least all the PPP had fair crosses.

kitshef 9:26 AM  

Absolutlely hated this puzzle. So many unknowns, from CHEFSTABLE to ALISONBRIE to CUREL to GRACEPALEY, just in the acrosses. I will give some credit for including the wonderful DIANE Lane in the grid, albeit with a terrible clue.

And yes, I finished with TREE LEAVES.

Anonymous 9:29 AM  

TREE Leaves for me too. I couldn’t find the error and had to give up. I’ve never heard of Curel. Other than that, a very fun puzzle.

Elision 9:30 AM  

I had no trouble with TRUE LEAVES (yay me!) -- but I'm a gardener who edits STEM textbooks for a living, so I guess I'm steeped in plant terms fairly regularly. Shrug.

Anonymous 9:32 AM  

Ended with Treeleaves/Cerel too - and was glad to see the great Rex also had the same problem.

I did love this puzzle tho - Alison Brie is fantastic. Did you know she played Trudy and Annie simultaneously?

The highlight for me was the clue for Hair Metal. When I realized what they meant by Poison, I had the most ridiculously vocal AHA and giggle. What an absolutely fantastic clue.

kitshef 9:32 AM  

Mosses and whisk ferns are plants but do not have true leaves. I agree true leaves is a better answer, but both are plausible given the way NTYXW clues.

Anonymous 9:35 AM  

I was on team TREELEAVES / CEREL. I hear the tree leaves are beautiful in Natick this time of year.

Beezer 9:38 AM  

I read @Rex but today I’m posting before I read any comments. Whoa baby THIS was a hard one for me today and I almost gave up! Brilliant and tricky clues but I either was too FOGgy this morning or…it was a bit above my pay grade…I DO know that, like Rex, TRUELEAVES (the TRUE part) stopped me in my tracks AND (I think like Rex) I was to committed to an actual toxin designation to think of Poison the group for HAIRMETAL whereupon I eventually had a big D’OH moment.
Today I learned via search post-solve, the difference between a BEERBAR and a brew pub (which fits). I had thought it might be regional but no…BEERBARS bring in a host of curated craft beers while brew pubs only sell their own craft beers.
Also…I did not know that drug store brand CUREL was Japanese (turns out that Biore is also) and my brain struggled with trying to think of something higher-end but could only think of Shiseido and Tatcha (which didn’t fit).
Thanks August Miller for an interesting and challenging (for me) Saturday offering!

Anonymous 9:38 AM  

Didn’t have a difficult time besides the TRUE LEAVES answer. Also, I have never heard of a beer bar.

Anonymous 9:40 AM  

The issue wasn’t with the clue per se, but the cross. If the cross was CURED, say (not possible with the grid as is), no one would be complaining, no matter the clue. This is bad editing—you should never see this many solvers wiping out on a single square. As with the HAKA/AKELA cross from a few days, it’s a completely foreseeable issue.

Stillwell 9:40 AM  

Anyone else with cote-resident hens (as in pigeon or dove) before EWES?

Anonymous 9:43 AM  

Fun puzzle, but got tripped up a little bit. I had three leaves also but for eight down, I had fish sauce which worked for a while And then it didn’t.

Mike Duchek 9:48 AM  

I had FISH SAUCE for the longest time. But I have heard of Curel and true leaves sounded plausible, so that was not a problem for me

Anonymous 9:56 AM  

Had HENS instead of EWES which cost me about 15 minutes....

Anonymous 10:02 AM  

I did the TREE LEAVES / CEREL as well. I figured CEREL was probably wrong but couldn’t convince myself to change TREE.

Anonymous 10:04 AM  

Another Team 97!!!!!

Greater Fall River Committee for Peace & Justice 10:08 AM  

Yeesh. Have to go to No Kings on top of all the other Saturday stuff, so limited time. First pass I got 6 four-letter words, all correct. LOIS, EKES, CITE, LEAD, GILA, SYNE. Got me nothing. So I threw down some wild guesses for longer words, only one of which was partially right -- FISH sauce, egrets, emigrating, cotyledons. This still gave me nothing. The longer things I could easily look up I was profoundly uninterested in. So I gave up. Glad y'all liked it.

Ted Striker 10:10 AM  

As was already mentioned in one reply to phil phil, non-vascular plants don't have true leaves, so it's not true that "true leaves cover all plants"!

Teedmn 10:18 AM  

Yeah, TReE LEAVES. I threw it in and never looked back. Solving on paper, who would know. Earlier this year, I spent some time trying to get a grapefruit tree going from seed. I got one to sprout and planted it in some potting soil and set it in our grow-box in the garage. It came up and put out cotyledons - and stopped. No TRUE LEAVES ever showed up. We put it outside in full sun and watered it all summer - nothing. So much for that experiment.

Ha, forgot that both sheep and doves are in cotes, had "hens" for a long time in 19A. And there was the "or so" for "about" at 46D.

Thanks, August Miller, for the tough-ish Saturday puzzle!

Ted Striker 10:19 AM  

When was the last time anyone had an actual ticket that was torn, then had a stub handed to them? It's been so long for me, I can't even remember the last time it happened. Even if you print a ticket today instead of showing it on your phone, they just scan it—there is no tearing, and thus no STUB. I filled in STUB with no problem today (and have done so several times in recent memory), so I'm not complaining that the clues are too difficult; it just bugs me that the clues are all in present tense, as if STUBs are still a thing. I suppose 'one that used to get ripped off at a venue' doesn't sound as good as 'one getting ripped off at a venue'...

AnonymousSteve 10:21 AM  

I had CUREL in there before I ever saw the leaves clue so it wasn't an issue.

thfenn 10:28 AM  

Fair enough. But then moss and ferns dont have seedlings...

Hugh 10:32 AM  

This played very hard for me today but what a satisfying solve! While I didn't immediately recognize the propers in either of the stacks in the NE and SW, they all shone brightly for me. RECIPEBOOK was a particularly delicious undertaking and having it sit right below CHEFSTABLE was pure artistry.

Some wonderful cluing today as well like STUB, POPEYE and HAIRMETAL (that last one came to me with crosses but I could not get my head around that *at all* until I came here - brilliant!! Though admittedly not a fan of the band, this was impressive). ARIA was also a cute mis-direct.

I liked seeing JERSEYCITY for the same reason @Rex did and I'll put in another plug for Ithaca area folks to go out and meet him today and report back here! 😊 You won't regret it!

Same experience with TRUELEAVES as the other 97 but CUREL came to me pretty quickly so it was fair.

Strangely for me, growing up an observant Jewish person on Manhattan's west side, SEDERPLATE took a little while. It was the "dish" part that threw me fair and square. I thought it was referring to the type of food, not the actual *dish*. I'm assuming it was an intentional mis-direct and boy oh boy did it work on me! So it was great fun wrestling with that for a bit, I was trying to work in *gefiltefish*, *matzoh* something... I think it was the "P" CASHAPP falling that finally led to my aha moment down there.

And...everything else great about this one that has already been said. Two puzzles in a row that had a real WOW factor for me. Thanks for this August! A workout that was well worth the effort!

thfenn 10:34 AM  

LOL. Let's talk about this some more. I'll concede i was erroneously with Phil Phil. True leaves dont cover all plants. The clue referred to seedlings, also something not all plants have. I read the clue and went with TRUELEAVES. Happy to be convinced I should have thought of TREeLEAVES, but just saying I thought the answer made sense reading the clue.

popplers 10:38 AM  

I had a tough time with "Poison classification" and "Party leader?" but eventually got there. (FISH SAUCE instead of FISH PASTE didn't help things in the middle.) I finally got it sorted, but the timer was still counting up... Turns out, I too fell into the CEREL/ TREE LEAVES trap.

Monicat 10:38 AM  

Elizabeth Bishop's "One Art" is a villanelle, maybe the most famous villanelle ever, a word that has stumped some Spelling Bee players and prompted others to write villanelles using Spelling Bee words.

It's a nineteen-line poem, with five three-line stanzas (ABA) followed by a quatrain (ABAA) with two alternating lines that combine in a final couplet.

I knew TRUE LEAVES from starting plants, but I would not have gotten CUREL without the U.

Ron 10:55 AM  

Very happy I marked CEREL as a place to come back to because it didn't sound right. Still made the mistake, though!

burtonkd 11:00 AM  

NORMAN BATES got me too .......(the murderous square)

Slow going but never stuck - a fantastic Saturday workout. Loved Allison Brie in Community - don't hear about that show so much anymore, but much of the cast appears elsewhere.

Gochujang came to mind before for the seafood based ingredient (sorry, I don't know all the ingredients - just love it), then FISHsauce and finally the PASTE.

My hilarious wrong answer: NUNS as the mothers in cotes - (not remembering what a cote is). Ok, hilarious a little strong; "crossword amusing"

Anonymous 11:01 AM  

💯 on cerel/tree leaves. EXACTLY!!

DAVinHOP 11:02 AM  

@Egs, hear you about Emigrating vs LIFE CHANGE. We considered the former, but didn't enter it (despite a totally blank NW corner) because of the "e.g." in the clue, and because we couldn't think of a math discipline with an E as the fourth letter. When LIFE CHANGE finally appeared, it sure was.

DAVinHOP 11:04 AM  

@Stillwell 9:40, sure did have Hens before EWES. One of dozens of eventual overwrites.

EasyEd 11:08 AM  

This one really got folk’s attention. Huge number of early responses. Was a Google-fest for me because of the many proper names I did not know, including CUREL. Got POPEYE and PORTS relatively quickly then one blank after the other. Even after filling in HAIRMETAL had no idea of the actual significance. Memory also played hard to get—knew that birds with folded wings was a reference to paper birds but could not remember “origami” which would have led me to CRANE. Overall a stumper for me but do recognize that clues were tough the way they should be for a Saturday.

Anonymous 11:08 AM  

I acted in a production of “The Duck Variations” in the 1980s! It’s an early Mamet one-act that is pure poetry.

DAVinHOP 11:18 AM  

Loved this more than Rex, I guess. And even more so than yesterday. That despite it being seven minutes over average.

Puzzle was pristine for quite a while, but the cleverness of the clues, when answers appeared, kept us interested and entertained.

Fourteen 10-letter answers and only three with 3-letters. Mwah!

So much misdirection, all of which we share with the commentariat. When a puzzle toys with you for as long as this one did, and finally succumbs, it's a great feeling of satisfaction. Ironic, perhaps, that we got that felling after deciphering Poison classification.

Bruce G. 11:26 AM  

Of course WFMU used to be in East Orange rather than Jersey City. That's when it was part of Upsala College and when I last listened to it. I think I still have some of their tee shirts.

Ted Stiker 11:26 AM  

And in turn, I'll concede you got me with the 'seedlings' part! I am normally 'one of those people' that sits there amazed that people weren't aware of fact X, but I had zero clue on true leaves (and yesterday's epistolary novel stumped me as well). TREELEAVES seemed too easy, so it nagged at me a bit, but I had no idea what else it could be.

My knowledge of plants is pretty limited, and I only know about non-vascular plants from a geological perspective! Although Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, all significant coal deposits were formed in the last ~460 million years. Coal deposits form from plant remains, and until the emergence of vascular plants, there was not enough biomass to form significant coal (with no circulatory systems, the non-vascular plants can't grow anywhere near as large as a vascular plant).

Gary Jugert 11:28 AM  

El arte de perder no es difícil de dominar.

Four separate puzzles in one. Much funnier than usual. Very solid green paint action everywhere and super challenging. The poet, the actor, and whatever FISH PASTE and TRUE LEAVES are made this a slog fest, but I suppose Saturday is a good day for unpleasantness. Years of doing these and I still don't understand the allure.

However, all is forgiven with the [Poison classification] HAIR METAL situation. So unexpected and such a delightful moment.

Gunkometer--
People: 6
Places: 1
Products: 3
Partials: 10 {ya do what ya gotta do}
Foreignisms: 1
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 21 of 66 (34%)

Funny Factor: 7 😂

Uniclues:

1 The score.
2 Sheep lingerie.
3 White wash, lately.
4 White boys enjoying bitterness.
5 Kitten couture.
6 Writes about a puzzle.
7 Spinach enthusiast on Broadway. {This should be a thing.}
8 Talk about Manhattan.

1 ARIA RECIPE BOOK
2 EWE'S NIGHT DRESS
3 THE US PAINT JOB
4 BEER BAR'S PALES
5 CAT SHELTER LACE
6 CUES BITTER
7 SPOT LIT POPEYE
8 BORE JERSEY CITY

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: When the man in the moon gives you a piece of his cheese. LUNAR BRAIN DUMP.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 11:29 AM  

Me too! Cote made me think of pigeons, not sheep.

Anonymous 11:31 AM  

That one was brilliant. Probably my favorite clue of the year (so far).

Carola 11:32 AM  

Challenging and fun. The SE corner almost did me in, but after a break, my "new eyes" did their job, and I was able to finish. Having been a gardener in earlier days helped me with TRUE LEAVES, as I learned that those first little sprouts don't count. I loved OPEN SEASON (well, maybe because I got it from the O), had the most trouble with the passenger and queue lines. I thought it was a really good Saturday puzzle.

jb129 11:36 AM  

HARD! But it IS Saturday. Off to find my typo. Thank you, August :)

Anonymous 11:37 AM  

Terrific last line!

egsforbreakfast 11:38 AM  

@DAVinHOP. I considered the "eg" as well, but concluded it was just meant to be the familiar form of egsforbreakfast.

Anonymous 11:46 AM  

CUREL got me too. I also wondered about CereVe. I know a thing or two about skincare brands but I had no idea Curel was Japanese.

Anonymous 11:48 AM  

I finished with the TREE dnf. Found todays CHEF faster than yesterday's. I knew neither of the full names but the crosses gave them away. I had a PAINTING/ PAINTJOB write over. The clue applies to autos not homes. This is Puzzlehoarder there seems to be a change in the blue name status.

mathgent 11:49 AM  

I call LIFECHANGE green paint. That spoiled it for me.

Anonymous 12:06 PM  

I too fell victim to the Trueleaves/Curel trap so I feel your pain, Rex. I flipped an imaginary coin and lost.

Zev Waldman 12:12 PM  

So comforted that Rex had the same problem I did. That square cost me 10 minutes, and I thought it was just me...

Dan A 12:24 PM  

Hand up for TReELEAVES

jae 12:27 PM  

Tough, mostly because I too am one of the 97.

Costly erasures - FILL in a GAP before THE and teAl>aqua> CYAN.

I also did not know GRACE PALEY, CASH APP, SEDER PLATE, and DIANE.

What @Rex said.

Falstaff 12:31 PM  

Frankly, I'm surprised Rex enjoyed a puzzle that included both TECHCEO and CASHAPP as answers.

JT 12:43 PM  

Another victim of the true/curel here, too cruel

Marmee 12:46 PM  

I'm an unaccomplished enough solver that I'm used to completing puzzles that have answers filled in by crosses using words, names I don't know or never heard of - since knew cUrel just shrugged at TRUELEAVES. Other shrugs, BEERBARS, HAIR METAL, ALISON BRIE. But knew JERSEY CITY, THEUS, SEDER PLATE ( loved cross with BITTER), CHEFS TABLE ( stack with RECIPE BOOK as a smile).

All in all tough solve for me but always leaves me feeling good when I slog through to the end! I'm an old lady, but look forward to learning something new every day. Puzzles from last few days have me covered for a week or more.

Great puzzle, August! Y'all have a stupendous Saturday.

Masked and Anonymous 12:49 PM  

har. Maybe even FISH PASTE: Adhesive for doin repairs just for the halibut?

M&A

Mike 12:53 PM  

Always interesting to see how Rex's opinion on puzzles is so different from mine. One of my least favorite puzzles in a while, I found some of the clues and answers to be awkward and strange. No one says "beer bars" or "night dress" (it's a "nightie"). Too many clues were trying to be clever but left me thinking "meh" instead of "oh that was smart". Nothing really stood out as an "aha" to me and I found it dull and tedious. And I too was a victim of TREELEAVES, and I'm a biology teacher who's never even heard the term TRUELEAVES!

jae 1:00 PM  

Me too and I forgot to include it in my post.

Diane Joan 1:02 PM  

I imagine that there are young solvers just starting out with crosswords that really wouldn’t know the use of the ticket stub any longer. Does anyone still say “stub”your toe? Maybe that would work.

Gary Jugert 1:03 PM  

@burtonkd 11:00 AM
❤️ Murderous square = Norman Bates. Funny!

Masked and Anonymous 1:06 PM  

Re: TR?ELEAVES x C?REL. See? When in doubt, use "U".
Altho ... coulda clued CEREL as {Cereal rated A-minus??}, I reckon.

66-worder with tons of good stuff and neat weird stuff. CATSHELTER? BEERBARS? BEERSHELTER? CATBARS? FISHPASTE? TECHCEO? FISHCEO? TECHPASTE? PAINTJOB? HAIRMETAL? etc.

staff weeject pick [with a mere 3 choices]: ART. Had a cool double-fill-in-the-blanks clue.

some faves: RECIPEBOOK & its clue. CHEFSTABLE right above RECIPEBOOK. AREWETHERE...yet. HAIRMETAL & its clue [even tho I weren't at all familiar with any Poison bands]. Double Superman flick mini-theme.

Thanx for the primo quad & trip 10-stacks, Mr. Miller dude. Nice job.

Masked & Anonymo3Us

p.s.
(biter) Runt puzzle:
**gruntz**

M&A

Gary Jugert 1:10 PM  

@egsforbreakfast 11:38 AM
❓ "Familiar form of egsforbreakfast." My gawd, the horror. If Mrs. Egs could talk....

Anonymous 1:14 PM  

Tie with String: BOGO you know Buy one Get one. The 2 products are TIED together with a STRING attached- you have to buy two!
I talked myself into BOGO = Tie with String, based on that reasoning. Am I crazy?
So CEREG could be a brand too.
Feel better that this was my DNF

Anonymous 1:19 PM  

At least now I know where David Broza got the lyrics for his song The Art of Losing.

Anonymous 1:20 PM  

TRUE LEAVES? Tru-ly Ev...il. Same issue misleading myself with cerave too. Solid puzzle besides that - though also found BEER *BARS* weak, though at least not enough to prevent FILLing in THE GAPs.

Anonymous 1:22 PM  

Hey I'm a "Waldman", too! Almost never see the name - other than the abortionist in Age of Reason and iirc the director (?) of Batman and Robin.

pabloinnh 1:23 PM  

Was totally stymied in the upper NW corner and had to leave to go demonstrate, then in the car I thought of LIFECHANGE and then DEFT which eventually opened things up. Whew.

One of the pleasures of commenting later is seeing how many other people made the same mistakes I did. TREE/TRUE, of course, but also SAUCE/PASTE, PET/CAT and HENS/EWES. There were things I remembered after I filled them in--GRACEPALEY and Mr. MAMET, and others that I just didn't know, like ALISONBRIE and DIANE and CUREL and ETON mess. HAIRMETAL took every cross and is not part of my music library. I don't know of a BEERBAR near me which means there isn't one.

Nice chewy Saturday, AM. You Almost Made break my "I will not Google" rule but not quite, although ny paper copy did not advise me of a technical DNF. Thanks for some thorny fun.

Anonymous 1:32 PM  

I'm a gardener, TRUELEAVES was obvious to me. Some other parts of the puzzle, not so much. 😁
Gene

burtonkd 1:35 PM  

Thanks Gary, I was highly amused with myself this morning

Andy Freude 1:43 PM  

Famous, yeah, but I think “Do not go gentle into that good night” still holds the title for most famous villanelle. IMHO, “One Art” is the better poem, though.

Anonymous 1:49 PM  

TRUE LEAVES was a gimme! Time to plant some seeds! 🌱 (shown: not true leaves 😊)

Anonymous 1:55 PM  

Seedlings is the important word, not talking fully-grown trees here. When a seed germinates there are initially 2 round little leaves then the true leaves that are distinctive to the plant emerge.

okanaganer 1:55 PM  

All the names ruined this for me. I got so bogged down and fed up, I looked some of them up, which I never do. Total Unknowns: ALISONBRIE, THEUS, CUREL, CASHAPP, GRACEPALEY. And of course, finished with CEREL crossing TREE.

However, it was nice to finish with DIANE Lane who has been a favorite of mine ever since the 1983 movie Rumble Fish. That was one truly memorable movie.

Jack G. 2:03 PM  

"It has its limits, in brief" - CALC. In the NW corner. Really? C'mon, dude. That was a stinker of a clue, unless you're a math major or teacher.

Liveprof 2:06 PM  

M&A, I accept your friendly amendment.

Anonymous 2:12 PM  

Did anyone else with a poor sense of NYC metro geography notice that JamaicabaY and JerseycitY both fit?

Anonymous 2:17 PM  

Never heard of Mamet or grace paley so that cross was a complete ? for me. Had hONEYED for “rich”

Anonymous 2:17 PM  

CUREL is a major brand that's been around for decades. It's one of the most popular brands for nail polish remover. I'd never heard of true leaves, but CUREL became obvious from crosses for me, so no problem. For me, it was the "c" in GRACE crossing with LACE into (a phrase I've never heard) that was the stickler. I've heard "lay into" but never "lace into," which sounds weird to me.

I love the misdirects in this puzzle: hair metal, cranes, recipe book. And I loved the culinary theme of the northeast section, with fish paste and brie, recipe book, and chef's table. Now to lunch!

Unknown 2:32 PM  

TREELEAVES/CEREL - exactly what I had. Thought I'd found the mistake when I saw a typo - ERON instead of ETON. But no, so I came here to find out what could be wrong.

Les S. More 2:41 PM  

A really good Saturday puzzle.

Most of my problems have been discussed by @Rex and others. I almost joined Group 97, but something just seemed off. I have grown plenty of plants - mostly heirloom tomatoes, cucumbers, squash - and I know about cotyledons, but those TRUE LEAVES … I just call them LEAVES. Something seemed odd there. “It’s a trap!” So I just left it and came back to it later. Didn’t help much because I had never heard of CUREL. I had to do an alphabet run - one of the most boring things to do in a crossword, but it paid off.

Fell for the hens/EWES trap for a bit. Never heard of CASH APP but crosses rescued me. Tried poke bowl before ACAI and Amex before VISA. Haven’t used an Amex card since I was travelling abroad in the 70s, 80s, and maybe the early 90s. It was useful because I could get money transferred to an Amex office in Athens, Istanbul, or Cairo. Then they invented the ATM. So a lot of this was “take a guess, correct the guess with another guess and hope it works”. Eg: Aqua -> teal-> CYAN. (And I worked for decades as a graphic artist. How could I not get CYAN right off the bat?)

I didn’t recognize the term BEER BARS. I’ve been to more than a few brew pubs but, even there, they served a limited selection of wines and spirits.

GRACE PALEY, SEDER PLATE, and CALC were all mysteries solved by crosses. ALISON BRIE was a gimme. Loved Community and she was pretty good in Mad Men, too.

Thanks, August Miller.

Anonymous 3:05 PM  

I put Biore in the for the skin care brand which pickled me for a bit (Japanese brand too!). Two giant gripes with the clueing -- why does "party leader" have a question mark after it? I get that a party leader can refer to the political variety but a party leader is literally a host. There's no wordplay or cleverness involved. The question mark is a misdirect in the wrong direction. The second issue -- why is "in a way" added to the "suitable for a game of 20 questions"? It's again almost deliberate obfuscation for obfuscation's sake rather than something necessary in the clueing. The types of questions in 20 Questions are quite specifically yes/no questions, there's no "in a way" about it. If you have to have an awkwardly worded clue with no wordplay or cleverness to make something "Saturday difficult" you're doing something wrong. Didn't love the fill the gap clue -- not clever or idiomatic, just more awkward (or rare) to refer to meeting a need that way. Poison classification was a great clue -- the fact that I quickly scribbled "non-lethal" in there (and it fit) was extra sinister.

Anonymous 3:06 PM  

DIANE Lane won my heart in her very first film (1979?) A Little Romance, costarring with Laurence Olivier in one of his last roles. A true gem!

davko 3:13 PM  


Yes, indeed -- I too was utterly convinced my grid was error-free and only substituted TRUE for TREE when I had run out of other possibilities. Even this seemed remote (were there actually leaves on trees that weren't true?), but ultimately proved correct!

Ted Striker 3:26 PM  

CMON (as they say in crosswords) okanager, I know our current president has been a jerk to your nation, but to claim you've never heard of "The US" is a bit of a stretch—we're the country immediately south of yours! [I'm guessing you missed the 'in brief' part of the clue and thought it was referring to a two-sport athlete named Theus, but I couldn't resist.]

Gary Jugert 3:37 PM  

@okanaganer 1:55 PM
Diane was a vision of perfection in that movie to my teenage eyes. Rumble Fish was wonderful. Better than the Outsiders and it was pretty good too.

Gary Jugert 3:40 PM  

@pabloinnh 1:23 PM
Pierre Bensusan rawked hardcore last night. Wonderful evening. Bossa Nova and sooooo many notes. He's the real deal.

Anoa Bob 3:59 PM  

I thought the "Line of Passengers?" (2D) should be ARE WE THERE YET.

Not well versed in digital $ transfers so 37D CASH APP had me wondering if that's the name of a specific APP or just a generic term for Venmo (as clued), PayPal, and the like. Looked it up and it's the name of a specific APP. Not the most inspired name, right?. "Hey, what should we call our start-up digital cash APP?" "How about CASH APP?"

I make and sell BOLO ties so nice to see that at 29D.

Chip Hilton 4:01 PM  

thfenn - You could’ve been wielding my pen here. Your initial posting sums my thoughts up, precisely.

McArdle 4:16 PM  

I got crushed in the northwest because 1) I had PETSHELTER rather than CATSHELTER (do they have shelters that are just for cats?) 2) a five letter Academy figure to me had to be either OSCAR or PLATO but didn’t work with the cross and anyway when you say “academy” in the military sense I think of the Naval Academy, which has MIDSHIPMEN, not CADETS, 3) I thought cotes were for birds, especially pigeons, so HENS, and 4) nobody says AREWETHERE, they say AREWETHEREYET, plus I was already thinking about pigeons so I was trying to make it about passenger pigeons somehow.

Anonymous 4:48 PM  

Also killed by TReELEAVES/CeREL. I could’ve stared at it for another hour and I would still not have changed that square. Brutal. Are we at 97 yet in the aggregate comments?

Anonymous 5:13 PM  

Me too on TRUE and Hens! I did figure out GRACEPALEY though from crosses. TIL HAIRMETAL having never heard of the band Poison. Thanks, Rex! Very good puzzle, hard, but Saturday. Nice clues - high number for example, and the clue for PORTS

beverly c 5:50 PM  

Another plant fan for whom TRUE LEAVES was no problem. I worked through the unknowns but struggled with CAT - wanted dog and pet first. CALC was a mystery until I finally woke up to the simple ARIA. The reveal of HAIR METAL was funny - even though I've never heard of the band Poison.

okanaganer 6:02 PM  

@Ted Striker: Doh! The clue said "Gold medalist" -- singular -- so I never considered a country. I assumed it was some woman nicknamed Theus!

dgd 6:37 PM  

Hugh
I am not Jewish (I did attend a Seder once) . So I was happy to see you were tricked at first by the dish misdirect that I was. I also found out gefilte fish didn’t fit!

dgd 6:53 PM  

Mike
I didn’t know it but based on the comments here, gardeners seemed to be most likely to know “true leaves”. So maybe a gardening term?

Anonymous 7:05 PM  

@okanager: That was a tough one to parse (both medals referenced went to teams, so I guess technically the country represented by the team was the medalist [singular], although one could argue it was really Team USA not The USA that won the medals). I got the answer from crosses, and just as you did, I thought it was a woman named Theus at first, but somehow it finally clicked in my brain that it was The US.

Anonymous 7:28 PM  

I. was happy I dnf’d at the same place Rex did.(The answer did seem a little off but I never went back to it) But I thought the puzzle was out and out hard.
Excellent puzzle.
Other than CUREL I figured out all the many names I didn’t know. I actually often enjoy that. I got G and E from crosses and I guessed GRACE and the rest from crosses except for the p. Still had no clue until I read Rex) but I got satisfaction out of guessing the first name. I see that many others hate doing that.

Jnlzbth 7:53 PM  

The Bishop poem is one of my favorites so I loved having it referenced in the puzzle and love that Rex presented it. But the CUREL/TRUE crossing did me in, althugh if I had run through the vowels I would have recognized CUREL as a brand. This puzzle was a lot f work. I had no idea about the Poison clue, have never heard of the band. Can't fault the puzzle; it's just that it was hard for me. Looking forward to Sunday.

Passenger Bitz 8:42 PM  

No need to pile on but my things were nearly Hulk Smashed over that single square. I generally appreciate the difficulty, but that seemed straight up evil.

Jnlzbth 9:35 PM  

You are thinking of CUTEX, not CUREL.

Paul F 10:04 PM  

I did the same thing!

TAB2TAB 10:41 PM  

So am I the one person who has heard of CUREL and knows the difference between CERAVE and the made up (CeREL), but has *no clue* about GRACEPALEY, MAMET, or SEDERPLATEs? Forget the skin care, let's get some of those other names on the radar.

Anonymous 12:07 AM  

Ditto

Jared 10:03 AM  

IMO hONEYED hAMET is just as bad if not worse. hONEYED is perfectly acceptable for Rich and I think that if you don't know the playwright, you have even less ability to pick. Even Rex admitted that he knows CUREL is a thing.

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