Gesture suggesting "I see what you did there" / MON 12-8-25 / Wyoming skiing mecca / Center of a stone fruit / Stuff on an artist's palette
Monday, December 8, 2025
Constructor: Dan Kammann and Zhouqin Burnikel
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging (solved Downs-only)
Theme answers:
- JACKSON HOLE (17A: Wyoming skiing mecca)
- WORK OUT WELL (62A: End successfully)
- LAST-DITCH (10D: Eleventh-hour)
- CHERRY PIT (34D: Center of a stone fruit)
Robert Charles Benchley (September 15, 1889 – November 21, 1945) was an American humorist, newspaper columnist and actor. From his beginnings at The Harvard Lampoon while attending Harvard University, through his many years writing essays and articles for Vanity Fair and The New Yorker and his acclaimed short films, Benchley's style of humor brought him respect and success during his life, from his peers at the Algonquin Round Table in New York City to contemporaries in the burgeoning film industry.
Benchley is remembered best for his contributions to the magazine The New Yorker; his essays for that publication, whether topical or absurdist, influenced many modern humorists. He also made a name for himself in Hollywood, when his short movie How to Sleep was a popular success and won Best Short Subject at the 1935 Academy Awards. He also made many memorable appearances acting in movies such as Alfred Hitchcock's Foreign Correspondent (1940) and Nice Girl? (1941). Also, Benchley appeared as himself in Walt Disney's behind the scenes movie, The Reluctant Dragon (1941). His legacy includes written work and numerous short movie appearances. (wikipedia)
Bullets:
- 52A: "Let me clarify ..." ("I MEANT...") — somehow "I MEANT" is 10x worse than "I MEAN" as fill, and the clue today compounds the problem. The clue and answer aren't grammatically parallel. "Let me clarify" is a complete sentence. "I MEANT" is not. After "Let me clarify...," despite the ellipsis, you would start a new sentence, whereas "I MEANT" would be followed immediately by a dependent clause ("... [that] I can't..." "... [that] you don't ..."). There's probably some way to swap them out one for the other, but my brain can't hear it.
- 12D: From ___ to dusk (DAWN) — easy enough, but I know the phrase the other way around: "from dusk to (or til) DAWN." Maybe I've been listening to too much music about partying all the time. Or else the Tarantino movie title is wielding undue influence. Oh, no ... I remember now who's responsible:
- 30A: "Enola Holmes" actress ___ Bobby Brown (MILLIE) — I feel like crosswords are single-handedly keeping Enola Holmes in our collective memories, usually as the non-ENOLA Gay clue for ENOLA. For that reason, I think it's important to steer away from Enola Holmes whenever possible. The first half of the final season of Stranger Things just dropped last month. That's the show that made her famous. I would've used that show here, for reasons of timeliness, and also to prevent ENOLA Fatigue.
- 1D: Magic charms (MOJOS) — got this right away, which feels like a very Crossword reflex. Like, I don't think I ever thought of "mojo" this way before crosswords, but now ... it's right there. Top of the brain.
- 34D: Center of a stone fruit (CHERRY PIT) — At the center of *a* stone fruit is a "pit." At the center of one specific type of stone fruit is a CHERRY PIT. This distinction caused me several seconds of hesitation, but once I got the "C" in there (from LYCRA, where it was easy to infer—not much else can go in that empty place ... nothing, in fact), I was able to imagine CHERRY and that was that.
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65 comments:
My five favorite original clues from last week
(in order of appearance):
1. Minimal coverage provider? (5)
2. Like some car exteriors and hairy legs (5)
3. They'll make it up to you (5)
4. It's often rapped but never spoken (5)
5. Deposit that might gather interest? (3)
THONG
WAXED
LIARS
GAVEL
ORE
My favorite encore clues from last week:
[Spot likely to smear] (6)(2)
[Solos at a party, say] (4)
ATTACK AD
CUPS
I’m grateful that it’s Monday. I wouldn’t like to bump into that name cascade late in the week without having all of the crosses available to bail me out (ASTIN x NEILL x MILLIE x ESAU - with the French SEL thrown in for good measure). I wonder if that ASTIN / NEILL cross will trip up any downs-only solvers (I don’t know how recognizable those people are to the solving public).
I also enjoyed the clues for OPERA and MASCARA. Good ones, esp. for early in the week when you can’t get too cute with them.
I first had "...turn out well" instead of WORKOUTWELL, otherwise no problems once I changed "sal" to SEL. Solved it as a themeless.
I'd been doing Downs Only the past few weeks, just to see how it was, but decided to bag it this morning. It just doesn't seem like fun, for one thing. Another is that I don't have a lot of time right now. Anyway, whatever the reasons, it's probably good I didn't do it this morning, considering that Rex found it (medium-)challenging.
It seemed like about a medium or a skosh harder solving it the normal way, for a Monday. For example, ALOO isn't necessarily that accessible for beginners, and same with SEL (which is a good word to know if you're in Paris, that and "poivre" = pepper).
I agree with Rex about SLY NOD, which I submit is not great fill. I'm trying to imagine to myself circumstances where I would nod slyly. I don't think I ever would. I'm not sure I would even know how to nod "slyly". What I might do is offer a quick wink if what I were doing was silently communicating "I see what you did there". In fact the answer seems very close to unclueable, although there may be some room for lawyering around.
I'm also inclined to agree with him about I MEANT. I wasn't able to solve the substitutability problem he posed (construct a sentence in which I MEANT could smoothly be substituted for "Let me clarify" in the sentence). Well, one last try: "Let me clarify that the thing that really bothered me last night was..." -- but it's still pretty bad (I MEAN would actually work better here, to tie in with another thing he said). I get the feeling that the clue-writers sometimes sort of shrug and say, "eh, good enough". But people in the writing business shouldn't let themselves off that easy. Another clue might be: Words that may follow "no, you misunderstood me". (But hey, I'm not a professional clue-writer, what do I know.)
That's all for now. Gotta get back to what I should be doing. Have a good one!
Maybe digging is in our genes, like it’s in dogs’ genes. I remember that when I was a kid, the first thing I’d do after getting to the beach is dig the deepest hole I could.
I did some more digging post-puzzle to determine the origin of “Hole” in “Jackson Hole”. Turns out the area named after fur trapper David Jackson, who worked the area in the 1820s, and “Hole” was a trapper’s term for a large mountain valley. Huh!
I did notice that the theme nouns – HOLE, DITCH, PIT, and WELL – can also be verbs. Then I saw words that can be both nouns and verbs all over the grid. A partial list: STREAK, SCAT, SCAN, RAIL, SLAM, TANK, GROWL, YOYO.
A little more digging revealed that 30-50% of high-frequency vocabulary in English can be both noun and verb, but only about 10% of all the words in the dictionary can. You’re welcome.
I love the constructor mind that saw the two interpretations of DIGIT and had to make a puzzle out of that. We all owe much pleasure to Constructor Mind.
A memory, a TIL, a language quirk, and a brush with cleverness – all in the box today, turning my neutral brain alive. Thank you, Dan and Zhouqin, and congratulations Dan on your NYT debut!
Hey All !
I can DIG IT!
Nice to see CC once again. (Zhouqin is known elsewhere with her published puzs as CC, if you didn't know. Only the NYT makes her use her actual first name.)
Neat Theme. 40 Blockers, with 6 Cheater Squares. Cheater Squares are extra black squares added to make filling easier and to put in real things. They are so called, because if they weren't there, the total number of words doesn't change. One example is after TACO/before NEILL. If you change that to a letter, you still have the one Across answer, and the one Down answer. As opposed to a Regular Blocker, which seperates words, ala the one twixt MOJOS and LSD. Granted, you'd need to redo the fill to get rid of them.
Look at me being all educational today. π
Fill good, MonPuz easy, the puz WORK OUT WELL. Har
Have a great Monday!
No F's - C'mon CC! π
RooMonster
DarrinV
Speaking of I MEANT, we have an epidemic in this country of people beginning to answer every question with "I mean, ......" They are clarifying an answer they haven't given yet!
Agree with RP about SLY NOD and thought the extra half-star was generous. Oh well, tis the season.
Generally love humorous fill-in-the-blank clues (except when the word is, often, ART...my wife was an art major and takes umbrage). Today's "definition" of OPERA was excellent, and the CHERRY (no pit) on top was the Benchley bio.
Pretty nice puzzle, but it made me want to give up solving Mondays down only.
I tried to do this downs only (without much success) and on my first pass I thought the first themer started with RACK and the revealer was WORKOUTHELL ... so it was going to be some sort of exercise-based puns.
Solving normally, this was very easy and pleasant, although I was going so fast, I didn’t want to slow down to read the longer clues, thus saving OPERA and DIGIT until the end.
I’m puzzled how SLYNOD would trigger a grievance: Clue is very fresh and in-th-e-language, and you can’t read SLYNOD without reflexively doing the gesture and smiling internally with inside common knowledge.
While I’m kind of enjoying it, I’m not sure Stranger Things is aging well: it’s taken so long to get to season 5 (9 years since debut, that the TV landscape has completely changed). It now struggles under its weight of expectation. Netflix was a scrappy upstart 12 yrs ago, now it’s buying Warner Bros/HBO. Knowing Ms Brown is a mom (by adoption) also requires some suspension of belief for the teenage role. Watching the 20+ yr old cast race around Hawkins IN, on child bicycles a la ET is kind of funny.
The shift from soft G to hard G for the revealer pretty much ruined this puzzle for me. Oh sure, the lawyer will point to "when read" in the clue. But we don't ignore sounds when we read. If I were editor for the day I would have rejected this one. It just doesn't work.
I like Millie Bobby Brown & I hope things work out well for her. Sorry the new season of Stranger Things has lost all its charm.
Wow. Maybe the constructors know about the “downs only” solvers and tailored this to give them more resistance but all I know is I didn’t pause for a second until I hit 32A and momentarily thought Latex instead of LYCRA. as a consequence, I remember next to nothing about the puzzle except the overall feeling “well, it wasn’t bad, but I forget most of it.” Seems workmanlike and that’s okay.
I did like the clue for OPERA. It’s emblematic of how I feel about OPERAs AND most musicals.
Hah, very clever! The old hard-G/soft-G switcheroo. I solved it as a themeless, but realized from the intermittently illuminating grid highlights that somehow DIGIT in the middle was the key to everything. But only saw how WELL it WORKed OUT at the end.
@Rex, I have to say that SLY NOD was my favorite answer in the puzzle! It conjured up such a vivid picture – a quick duck of the head with a wry smile and one eyebrow raised. I loved it.
• Misread the clue for HAMSTER and had a moment of utter confusion. Saw “Pet stores with food in cheek pouches.” Wha??
• Appreciated that [Sean in “Lord of the Rings”] was a bit of a trick clue as there are two of them – fortunately “Bean” is one letter shorter.
• I love OPERA and also loved the Benchley quotation.
• Noted that the NYT’s fixation with NO LIE continues – does anyone ever say that?
• Until today, I didn’t know that a MOJO could be an actual object: an amulet or talisman – always thought it referred to an intangible quality. Apparently, it can also be food: a sauce, marinade, or seasoning that is usually composed primarily of olive oil, garlic, citrus juice, and spices (such as black pepper and cumin), according to Merriam-Webster.
• For some reason, [Dessert with icing] for CAKE made me smile. [Run out of clothes?] for STREAK was great, although I get the feeling we’ve seen it before.
Thanks, Dan and Zhouqin!
Thanks to Rex for highlighting Hank Mobley’s “Soul Station.” Gonna have to remember to listen to it later when I work on today’s New Yorker and Brendan Emmett Quigley crosswords.
No hay suficientes horas en el dΓa.
Never a good sign when you open up the puzzle to do it and find you already did it and need to look at it for a bit before remembering. I think I dug it this DIGIT puzzle. It's like @egsforbreakfast turned loose on the revealer. But really, looking it over now, it's not HOHUM at all. It's delightful.
I didn't see the clue for 1Down, and now I see the answer was MOJOS and I am betting π¦ will have something to say about that. {He did.}
I've been to JACKSON HOLE a few times. It's as authentically western as Aspen ... that is to say (IDEST?) not western at all, but you can buy a $900 cowboy hat there. I've also been to SOHO and it feels weird to yell "I'm walking here" there.
The local coffee shop near my house is a mecca for Boomer white guys in LYCRA bicycle attire. If I ever need someone to mansplain for me I will definitely go there first. In the meantime, Starbucks is closer and way less bicycle-y.
Calling LUTES "medieval" is a good way to pick a fight with me. Yes, there were lutes in the middle ages -- and centuries before and afterward. You can buy a new lute today and yeah I have Metallica tabs for it. Medieval. Bah.
People: 7
Places: 3
Products: 2
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 4
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 21 of 78 (27%)
Funny Factor: 1 π€¨
Tee-Hee: STREAK.
Uniclues:
1 Youngster who starts everyday at The Bell.
2 One invited to dinner in Wyoming.
3 Official proceedings of the Holy Order of Forest Snackers.
4 Final sound from a fierce girl on TikTok after her makeup tutorial.
5 Ain't.
1 MAD AM TACO LAD
2 JACKSON HOLE SOW
3 BLT TENT RITES
4 MASCARA GROWL
5 LAST DITCH AREN'T
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Music for sawing girls in half. PRESTO CHANGO SYMPHONY.
¯\_(γ)_/¯
Very educational write-up and blog the morning. CC’s puzzles seem to generate that kind of response. Thanks especially to @Lewis for clearing up the meaning of Jackson Hole. For some reason that name has always resonated in my mind but I could never understand how a hole related to skiing. The names as usual gave me some problems—at the end had to go back and finalize the ASTIN/NEILL combination.
Trying to solve downs-only, I couldn't get LAST DITCH because it doesn't mean "eleventh-hour." It means "a final, desperate attempt made when all other options have failed, often with little hope of success, stemming from a military term for the last line of defense, famously declared by William of Orange in the 17th century to defend his country to the end. It signifies a desperate, final push to avoid disaster or achieve a goal." Eleventh-hour would be "last second" or some such -- no phrase that I could get to fit.
Isn't URSA text speak for U R Sucha Ass? If you really, really mean it, you usually text URSA Major. If it's just in fun, use URSA Minor.
Mrs. Egs picked up a lot of furnishings for the house when an Esprit clothing store closed and sold everything down to the plumbing. Now we're noted for our Esprit DECOR.
Prof: And now we come to examine the phenomenon whereby Mr. V garners accolades for saying "I pity the fool."
Student: Mr. V?
Prof: Let me clarify, IMEANT.
I'm a real gym rat, rain or shine I work out sick and I WORKOUTWELL. NOTE: If I do any more of this type of joke, I'll have gone to the WORKOUTWELL once too many times. Better quit the BLT and TACO routine.
I dig this puzzle. Thanks, CC and congrats, Dan Kammann.
In my case, Sean ASTIN happens to be a familiar name, but not NEILL or MILLIE, so that was the cross that bothered me on a Monday. It was inferable, but I was still annoyed.
Definitely agree on the enjoyable clueing of the two you mention though!
Barbara, glad to hear I wasn’t the only one who didn’t know the literal meaning of MOJO—I’ve only heard it used in the more metaphorical sense. Definitely didn’t race through the NW corner like Rex did!
I'm surprised Rex didn't mention the Double Out. WORKOUTWELL & DRIEDOUT
It's a telling sign -- about me, about our age, or whatever--that I looked at the clue for 1-A, read it as "Siri's counterpart," and started to write in "Alexa." Well, it's a sign that I need new reading glasses, for one thing, but I noticed the error before I got it all filled in.
The theme was fine. The interlocking unknown-to-me actor names at 14-A, 30-A, and 15-D, not so much. I spent way too much time trying to place Sean in The Lord of the Rings; maybe a patron at The Prancing Pony? Eventually I realized it must be an actor in one of the movie versions (for context, I've read the books 10 or 15 times but never seen any of the movies -- well, except for the first half of the Bakshi cartoon version). But I had ASTI from crosses, so ASTIN seemed right, and NEIL had to end with another L, and there was MILLIE. But it seems wrong to cross so many names on a Monday.
As for LUTE,S, it's weird to call the Medieval. Lutes have been around for over 3,000 years, but their heyday was definitely the Renaissance.
Years and years ago I read a book on the history of China and decided I should know the names and sequence of the various dynasties; so I typed up a list, which is taped to a bookcase behind me right now. But I didn't remember WEI. Fortunately, my late brother-in-law was married to a Chinese man named WEI, confirming that it was at least a real Chinese name, and I went with that.
I hadn't notice that ESAU was part of that tangle! At least I knew his name, unlike the other three.
I MEANT Zeno the Stoic, not Zeno of Elea.
When I try to imagine giving a SLY NOD I find myself raising my eyebrows and looking sideways with a subtle grin, FWIW.
Due to your noting no Fs, I oFten make an eFFort to make my First Foray in WORDLE have an EFF. My Favorite is griFt (or graFt) reFerring to our Fearless leader. FWIW!
Surely SLY NOD references the Robert Redford / Jeremiah Johnson GIF meme? https://tenor.com/search/jeremiah-johnson-gifs
For me, it's a feature, not a bug. The changing sound adds another layer of misdirection.
That 'N" could have been anything. Throw in the alphabet soup "CTO" and it's no longer a puzzle its a crap shoot.
Luckily MI_LIE and then _EILL were inferrable. I guessed (solving downs-only) PASS ON before PISTON, then I got LAST-DITCH. Getting the theme really helped me, both in the NE and at the WORK OUT WELL x WEI crossing. Without seeing the clue, it's very reasonable to assume that WORKOUT is one word, and a WORKOUT BELL sounded like it could be a thing.
I do these things for fun, and the downs-only experience does not sound like a lot of fun, so I don't do that. I found today's solve fairly easy, with yet again some unfamiliar names, although today they were limited to ALI, MILLIE, and WEI which were easy enough from crosses. I think I have now learned ALOO, yay me.
Maybe a better clue for MEANT would be "That's not what I _____". Or maybe that's too easy.
The revealer being in the middle violated my Revealer Placement rule, otherwise thought it was fine and the themers were apt. Good stuff.
Nice enough Monday, DK and CC. Didn't Knock myself out thinking too hard and didn't Come Close to rejecting anything. Thanks for all the fun.
PS-Thanks to @Roo for reminding me of ZB;s alias of CC. Makes the initial thing a lot easier.
I did not consider that a gigantic problem but more of an engaging twist.
Medium. No WOEs and no costly erasures. I got interrupted a couple of times while doing this so it might actually be a tad easier than medium. That said, stuff like LAST DITCH, MASCARA, and SLY NOD (hi @Rex) took a bit of work.
No junk, clever reveal, solid theme, delightful Monday, liked it a bunch!
Croce Solvers - Croce’s Freestyle #1068 was a mostly Croce for me. The SW, however, was tough and took me almost as long as the rest of the puzzle. Good luck!
I solved as a themeless & came here for the theme. Not hard if you're not doing Downs only. If I never see another LOTR clue that'll be okay with me. Also isn't it annoying that everyone seems to start a sentence with "I MEAN" these days? "
I mean, really?"
Thank you CC & Dan :)
Monday downs-only, as usual and came in, I think, just about my normal time, between 20 and 25 minutes by my wristwatch with some fiddling with Spotify during the solve.
NW was a piece of CAKE but I had trouble getting out of there because I couldn’t think of any equivalent phrase for 10D “Eleventh hour” (LAST DITCH). So I jumped down to the SE where everything WORK(ed) OUT WELL and then wound myself back up the west side where I noticed that when I hit 34D it lit up the word DIGIT at 40A. I, of course read that with a soft G, like finger or number.
But CHERRY PIT, JACKSON HOLE, and WORK OUT WELL made it pretty obvious we were DIG(ging) IT. That got me thinking of this tune, a remake of Hugh Masakela’s “Grazing in the Grass” by Kevin Rowland, formerly of Dexy’s Midnight Runners, one of the best bands of the 80s.
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8yDcEjAqg&list=RDaU8yDcEjAqg
Needless to say, I had fun with this one.
I’m thinking of the scene in Star Wars where Jabba is going to have them all thrown in the pit with the beast, but they have a plan to disrupt that, communicated by a number of nods. Family Guy did a funny parody of it. Other than that . . .
Sorry, the comment above was mine. So the substitutability question for your proposed example would be whether "Let me clarify Zeno the Stoic, not Zeno of Elea" is grammatical, to rephrase the issue in more Rexian terms.
Well, it's not quite grammatical yet. But I think the thing could be saved just by adding in a colon. So written out, "I MEANT: Zeno the Stoic [etc.]" could be considered the equivalent of "Let me clarify: Zeno the Stoic [etc.]" which could plausibly be a response to a student's question. So, yes, that could work.
Downs was BRUTAL
I hear tell this is the 1000th end-words-connections puztheme. sooo ... I can clearly DIGIT.
staff weeject pick: WEI. It was WEI too no-knowei, for the likes of m&e.
Primo weeject stacks, NE & SW, btw.
fave stuff included: ORIGIN. HOHUM. MASCARA clue. The ASTIN/NEILL/MILLIE/ESAU name-recognition challenge. YOYO/SOHO. Havin both Across & Down puzthemers.
Also, fave themer = JACKSONHOLE. M&A has been there; a real hoppin-busy place.
fave moo-cow eazy-E MonPuz clue: {Acorn droppers} = OAKS. A Down answer, that shoulda made Downs-only solvequests a CAKE-walk.
Thanx for gangin up on us, Ms. CC darlin & Mr. Kammann dude. And congratz to Dan K. on his holier-than-average half-debut.
Masked & Anonymo5Us
... and, better solve this pup quick, before its server goes down again ... [it's become pretty frisky lately; not M&A's fault -- I just work here] ...
"Not Just Here" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
I used to do transcription 10 years ago and I can tell you that people have been doing the “I mean” thing for a long time now, and also inserting “sort of” and “kind of” right into the middle of their sentences when they’re clearly not consciously trying to qualify anything! It’s kind of fascinating actually ;)
Her father-in-law is Jersey's own Jon Bon Jovi.
@Barbara S... "Pet stores with food in cheek pouches"... I would be very confused too.
Downs only was tough here, but satisfying as I eventually got it in 23 minutes without "cheating" (looking at any across clues). The toughest part is the wrong downs that seem so right. At 6 down, my scuba gear was a MASK which has half the letters correct, so it took a while to track that down. And the theme was no help today because it's split between the acrosses and downs, and I couldn't figure out which answers were themers. I had absolutely no idea until I got the Happy Pencil and allowed myself to read the clue for 40 across.
As others have mentioned, downs-only is a bit of a slog, but otherwise Monday goes by so fast it's no fun.
Other typeovers were GIG at 38 down "After hours source of $$$". You know, "I've got an after hours gig..." And 41 down "Nonspecific amount" was DASH... eg "a dash of this,.." And hands up for never having heard of WEI dynasty. But at least ALOO was a gimme as it's been in the puzzle several times recently.
Could not down only, which isn’t a bad thing but whoever put two proper nouns crossing again should, as always, be arrested.
I agree with Rex that SLY NOD isn't a phrase heard in real life. I think Santa was being sly, with his wink and finger aside of his nose but the NOD was a mere goodbye nod, not sly at all. "I see what you did there" more often evinces an eyeroll or "hah" from me.
Many clue/answer combos I never even saw because the acrosses filled in so easily. WEI, ALOO? I had to look over the puzzle to see where they even were. In most of the SE, in fact, the down clues weren't needed.
One of the recent additions to my husband's side of the family, born earlier this year, was given the name MILLIE Rita Rae. I assumed she was named after Millie Bobbie Brown but it turns out her great grandma's name was Mildred.
Thanks, Dan and CC, for a nicely made Monday puzzle.
Esprit decor! Great!
Haha! I thought that might be you!
Cute revealer! Did not guess it. Sweet Monday puzzle - thank you! I was glad to see Rex found downs only a struggle because I tried a bit and failed. I do think SLY NOD is just fine though - maybe it’s a female thing? I can easily see myself giving a sly nod. TIL MOJO
Try googling Jane Austen “sly nod” !
Multiple examples.
ππ
Roo
Wow. Had to really search for ALOO. I never saw that clue (today was weird for me) cuz I SOMEHOW knew acrosses until 32A. I did NOT know ALOO. One just never knows the across versus downs “wheelhouse” on any given day.
When I saw MOJO I tHOUGHT of Dr. Evil stealing Austin Powers MOJO.
Dunno. That was under “slow nods.” May I put forth a Martha Stewart GIF that seems more sly? Sorry…don’t know the hyperlink bs..don’t tell me, I know I COULD if I want to, which I don’t.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNTFuZTFrcWpwNTUxcjFubHRraThpdHR2ajd4Zm84aTNkenl5cTlvNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/aYHs7vbVFViZa/giphy.gif
Anonymous 9:23 AM
About LAST DITCH.
Many commenters here would disagree with your criticism. Crosswords use clues which are a type of hint. They are not intended to be definitions. After all we are talking about a puzzle not a dictionary. That’s why the expression used here close enough for crosswords. Last ditch is fine answer to that clue.
Banya
FWIW because Shortz and company have no rules against dupes which appear frequently in the Times puzzle Rex has said he will only mention egregious dupes. He probably thought this was not egregious.
Doing this puzzle normally was easy.
It isn’t weird for a ski slope to be named after a valley. Squaw Valley has been around a long time ( and Vale come to think of it) . Alternative words for valley is also not rare. Hollow in Appalachia comes to mind. So hole I always assumed meant valley.
Liked the puzzle
Yep. I’ve been there (gorgeous area) but prior to that always figured it was a valley.
For those who find downs-only sloggish, but want to spice up Monday puzzle-solving, might I suggest solving in a spiral? Start on the perimeter and work your way in row/column/row/column. Downs-only is too much work for me for a Monday puzzle.
That is indeed one sly nod!
Nice Monday fare. I thought the revealer was very clever and enjoyed the soft G/hard G element.
No complaints with the fill and the themers were all fun to watch fall. CHERRYPIT is a nice looking long down.
I may be getting cranky but if I never see a clue or answer for "Get outta here!" again, I'll be pretty happy not spending a second guessing between SCAT, SHOO, etc. before I get the crosses. That's not a nit on this puzzle -I thought it was great and as I say frequently, a constructor's gotta do what a constructor's gotta do to make it all work. If Hugh has to put up with a scat/shoo here and there, so be it. Thanks for the great start to the puzzle week CC and Dan!
Am I the only one who noticed that the clue for ROI is incorrect? It should read patriarch not monarch. This has kept me up all night!
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