Spanx founder Blakely / THU 11-20-25 / Cubing needs / Like an S-Tier video game character / Pixel alternative / Vesper Lynd portrayer in "Casino Royale" / Duds in bed? / "Hail," in Latin / Niihau neighbor / Video game customization, informally / Levi's Stadium player, informally / "Star Wars" character originally portrayed by a puppet that weighed over a ton / Dish that creates an explosion of rich flavors, in modern parlance
Thursday, November 20, 2025
Constructor: Adam Wagner
Relative difficulty: far too easy
- SKINDIVES (16A: Cubing needs — remove "SID," get KNIVES)
- BETTER DAYS (23A: Turns on — remove "TED," get BETRAYS)
- AMBIENT (36A: Make, as money — remove "ABE," get MINT)
- STARMAP (38A: Ensnare — remove "SAM," get TRAP)
- DAMNED LIES (48A: Fops — remove "MEL," get DANDIES)
A tier list is a concept originating in video game culture where playable characters or other in-game elements are subjectively ranked by their respective viability as part of a list. Characters listed high on a tier list of a specific game are considered to be powerful characters compared to lower-scoring characters, and are therefore more likely to be used in high-level competitive settings like tournaments.Tier lists are a popular method of classifying the cast of playable characters in fighting games such as the Tekken and Super Smash Bros. series; multiplayer online battle arena titles such as League of Legends and Dota series; hero shooter titles such as Overwatch and Apex Legends; and action role-playing games with playable party members like Genshin Impact. [...]
Tier rankings may use letter grades. The competitive community surrounding Guilty Gear Xrd, for instance, ranks characters as 'S', 'S-', 'A+', and 'A', where 'S tiers' are particularly powerful and 'A tiers' less so.[3] Major video game news websites such as The Daily Dot, Kotaku and PC Gamer have published their own tier lists for popular games. 'S' tier may stand for "special", "super", or the Japanese word for "exemplary" (秀, shū), and originates from the widespread use in Japanese culture of an 'S' grade for advertising and academic grading. (wikipedia)
Bullets:
- 1A: Duds in bed? (PJS) — a transparent clue, yes, but a good one. Clue on SPICE RUBS, also good (3D: Dry seasons?)
- 26A: "Hail," in Latin ("AVE!") — I think I prefer this as a map abbr. But maybe putting it in Latin was some feeble attempt to toughen the grid up. In Latin, "AVE!" is "Hail!" and "VALE!" is "farewell" (hence the term "valedictorian"—one who says farewell (at graduation)) (this comes up every semester when I teach Donne's "A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning" and inevitably most people have not bothered to look up what "valediction" means—protip for understanding poetry: know what the words in the poem mean!)
As virtuous men pass mildly away,And whisper to their souls to go,Whilst some of their sad friends do sayThe breath goes now, and some say, No:So let us melt, and make no noise,No tear-floods, nor sigh-tempests move;'Twere profanation of our joysTo tell the laity our love.Moving of th' earth brings harms and fears,Men reckon what it did, and meant;But trepidation of the spheres,Though greater far, is innocent.Dull sublunary lovers' love(Whose soul is sense) cannot admitAbsence, because it doth removeThose things which elemented it.But we by a love so much refined,That our selves know not what it is,Inter-assured of the mind,Care less, eyes, lips, and hands to miss.Our two souls therefore, which are one,Though I must go, endure not yetA breach, but an expansion,Like gold to airy thinness beat.If they be two, they are two soAs stiff twin compasses are two;Thy soul, the fixed foot, makes no showTo move, but doth, if the other do.And though it in the center sit,Yet when the other far doth roam,It leans and hearkens after it,And grows erect, as that comes home.Such wilt thou be to me, who must,Like th' other foot, obliquely run;Thy firmness makes my circle just,And makes me end where I begun. (poetryfoundation.org)
- 47A: Video game customization, informally (MOD) — this puzzle was so easy that even two (2) video game clues didn't faze me.
- 35D: Pixel alternative (IPAD) — I really thought the Pixel was a phone. So many insufferable pre-movie ads featuring Pixel and iPhone having adventures together... Yep, the Pixel is a smartphone. An IPAD is ... not? I'm obviously missing something here. Don't bother to fill me in, it's fine.
- 56A: They may be threaded (BROWS) — forgot this was a thing. Wow, it turns out I had no clear idea what eyebrow-threading actually is:
In threading, a thin cotton or polyester thread is doubled, then twisted. It is then rolled over areas of unwanted hair, plucking the hair at the follicle level. Unlike tweezing, where single hairs are pulled out one at a time, threading can remove short rows of hair.Advantages cited for eyebrow threading, as opposed to eyebrow waxing, include that it provides more precise control in shaping eyebrows, and that it is gentler on the skin. A disadvantage is that it can be painful, as several hairs are removed at once; however, it can be minimized if done correctly, i.e. with the right pressure.
- 33D: Dish that creates an explosion of rich flavors, in modern parlance (UMAMI BOMB) — I enjoyed this answer, even though I'm not sure how widespread this "modern parlance" is. Maybe you hear it on cooking shows (which I don't watch)? Whatever, it was inferable to me and I'm sure I've heard it before and it's the freshest answer in the grid, so thumbs up.
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57 comments:
Figured out the theme from the revealer for once, so it became a fairly easy solve once I got SAM (and not "Sal") for the last man's name. Needed only an alphabet run for the UMAMIBOMB/MOD cross. Personally, I'd avoid any food associated with a UMAMIBOMB. What an unappetizing word!
I found it a bit more challenging than OFL did: Medium until I got the gimmick at 23A, Easy after that. I realized that the circled letters spelled men's names but needed the revealer (57A) to make sense of that. Never realized that the circled squares were all odd numbers until I came here.
Overwrites:
BoArd (as in chessboard) before hEAtH before BEACH for the 4A castle place
I'm no gardener. I considered mUmS before BUDS for the spring signs at 4D. But even I know that mums are a fall thing. And mums didn't cross with any of my 4A answers.
KATie before KATEY for Ms. Sagal at 11D
At 16A, before I understood the theme I wanted 3-letter types of KNIVES
Since a 3-letter summer cooler is almost always an ade, FAN at 53D almost made me take out FIN at 52A
One WOE, EVA GREEN at 53A
I’ve only ever encountered “umami bomb” as a term form ingredients used to add umami to recipes, not to refer to entire dishes — i.e. Tamari, marmite, miso, fish sauce
Thanks for the Donne. A favorite.
I didn’t enjoy this one and found it harder than Rex did, although in retrospect it seems easier than it felt while solving. I didn’t get the theme till the end, so the whole experience felt a little bit like being covered by a blanket and trying to fight my way out.
Gaming culture is not only outside my wheelhouse but also just completely uninteresting to me. I guess it’s in puzzles to stay but it really takes some of the pleasure of solving away.
A somewhat easy Thursday, yes, but not a problem today, since I could simultaneously help Mrs. Freude find the Connections. (I get Wordle and the crossword, she gets Connections and Spelling Bee. Each of us occasionally helps the other. One of the secrets to our happy marriage.)
I agree with KMcCloskey that an UMAMI BOMB is an ingredient, not an entire dish. Still, happy to see that fun term in the puzzle today.
And always a delight to meet up with the ODE to Joy.
I saw SEL, POR, ITO and AVRIL and was getting worried that we wouldn’t be quizzed in Latin today. It looks like Will may have realized the same thing and changed the clue for AVE at the last minute (c’mon Will - repurposing an English word to meet your quota is kind of a MINOR TEAM move, either go big or go home).
I fared reasonably well considering that I don’t know any of the actors (except for MR T), the video game clues and of course the copious foreign stuff. I saw that the theme answers looked bizarre and headed straight to the reveal, which fortunately I got with just a few crosses. So a weird kind of a solve for me today in that I got the theme answers but struggled with the AMBIENT fill, which is pretty much the opposite of a standard Thursday for me. I do give myself a gold star for discerning the theme though, as it is something that I have been focusing on.
Did not work at all for me. If you are going to remove the odd letters, you need to remove all of them, not just three selected at random.
Theme should have been sent back for a re-think. Fill is fine, and there are some nice clues (esp. "Dry seasons"), and only one WoE (EVA GREEN).
I would have preferred a Lavigne clue for AVRIL, and even without it I hoped Rex would give us a video. I guess it's up to me
Random thoughts:
• Much schwa di vivre in answer endings – ULTRA, SARA, JABBA, DEBRA, EVITA, EUREKA, ANITA, ATTA.
• Love UMAMI BOMB, though I’ve never heard it in the wild.
• My favorite NYT answer debuts – and there were six – are JOKES ON ME and BITING WIT. I’m amazed that these terrific answers have never appeared before.
• For a while, as I was solving, I wondered if the three-letter theme names all belonged to some famous group of stars from the past, like the Rat Pack.
• I like the behemoth JABBA sitting atop the revealer, pressing that ODD MAN OUT.
• AMBIENT evokes crossword stalwart Eno.
• [Place for a castle] stymied me for quite a few beats, and is a lovely original clue for an answer that has appeared nearly 60 times in the major crossword outlets.
So, lovely little side trips for me on top of your clever concept, Adam. Thank you for this!
Possible adorable theme answer involving this adorable puzzle's maker:
GR(A)N(D)P(A)S(M)URF
Disagree out the Latin word AVE being tricky. Any Catholic would get that one instantly!
Hey All!
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Interesting puz. The MAN added answers are real things, which is nice, but ODD things. SKIN DIVES? Heard of it, kinda, unsure what it means. BETTER DAYS is, well, better. AMBIENT and STAR MAP are OK. DAMNED LIES is on the odder side, yes a thing, but a specialized thing that sounds like it's scripted. Just sayin'.
Wasn't an auto-fill easy puz for me, had some bite to it. Some nice cluing in here, PJS one comes to mind.
RIRI went through RERA, RERE, RERI, RIRI. Sheesh. Had BoltS for BROWS. Also read clue for 48A as Pops instead of Fops so had DADDIES+MEL in there, so that SW corner was thorny. Managed to wrestle it down in the end.
Well, that's about it. Have a great Thursday!
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Dang. My computer messed up YesterPuz, saying the puz wasn't complete on the main screen, even after I had gotten the Happy Music. Went to my phone, it said complete, but just went back to the main screen today, and my solve streak is gone. I'm at 1 now. Argh! First world problems, yes, and not like I had a scintillating long streak going, but still ... Silly computer!
RooMonster Bleak Streak Guy
I feel the same about sports as you do about video games. Expecting non-fans to know who plays in what stadium is a bit much imo. I can give a pass for the nyc ones like Madison square garden, since at least they are local to the newspaper paper, but outside of that it’s ridiculous trivia.
Well, it's a Japanese word (I believe; not pausing now to verify). UMAMI is sometimes classed with other taste sensations like sweet, salty, bitter, sour. You might recognize it if you look it up (here, let me help), and then you won't need to avoid food with big UMAMI flavor, unless you're an odd man for whom that sort of thing is out. :-)
Agree with Rex. The continual dumbing down of the NYT crossword is just a bummer. If they want to willingly abdicate their position as the preeminent crossword puzzle, who am I to stop them, but it does seem like an intentional act. Thankfully we live in a world with numerous outlets that routinely publish fantastic puzzles that let constructors do interesting, challenging, forward thinking work, at which the editors seem to share this passion, and don’t feel the need to dumb down the puzzles of their own volition, or under pressure from corporate mandates. They get far more of my attention these days than the routinely underwhelming crosswords the NYT keeps putting out.
Well, I started laughing at [Duds in bed?] and pretty much smiled my way through this one. I agree that it was easy, probably too much so for what is supposed to be Thorny Thursday. But, in all honesty, I did have a problem area at the end. Halfway down the eastern seaboard, I couldn’t think of UMAMI (although I had BOMB), I couldn’t remember BURR’s first name, and I thought that [Pixel alternative] was “etsy,” because I was thinking of Pixels.com which sells art, décor, wearables, etc. I think the breakthrough came when I suddenly remembered KAUAI – I was fairly sure that Niihau must be Hawaiian but couldn’t seem to think of any islands beyond good old Oahu and Maui. But KAUAI gave me the U at the start of UMAMI and the A at the start of AARON. By this point, I’d grasped the trick in the theme answers, but I only had the STAR part of STARMAP. I filled in the rest and then had AA at the beginning of Mr. BURR’s name which, for a second, looked like a mistake and then the light dawned. Yay!
There were arguably too many names in this puzzle but, since that was a given, I liked the bevy of women – SARA Blakely, EVA GREEN, RIRI, DEBRA Messing, EVITA, ESTEE, ANITA Baker and KATEY Sagal – to balance out all the men. Loved the answer DAMNED LIES, which sounded like something spat out through gritted teeth in some juicy movie melodrama. I thought [Rustic wedding venue] was a hilarious (and possibly original?) way to clue BARN – you’d normally think along the lines of “cows’ home.” Enjoyed FIN crossing FAN and PSST above PSAT. EyeBROW threading is completely new to me and sounds painful. I think I’ll keep my BROWS just the way they are, thank you very much.
And thanks to you, Adam Wagner.
Agree with Rex across the board today, awfully easy. Even the unfamiliar names offered no struggle. But I did like the theme and revealer and had a bit of fun figuring how to suss each MAN OUT.
UMAMI BOMB was the only entry which held me up because I flat did not know. I did learn something - that BROWS can be threaded - and thanks to RP, I also know what that entails. Then there’s microblading where individual “hairs” are tattooed into tiny incisions cut in the skin. And I can’t help but notice (maybe that’s the point though) the massive ULTRA brows which seem to have become popular with some women. Not always a good look IMO, and can be a little scary looking, especially if combined with those ODD fluttering false lashes. EGADS!
Roo: Only 2 F's in your book blurb??? Congrats on your publication.
Your first examples are Spanish and French. AVE is well known, as in The Ave Maria. AVE is not an English word, by the way.
My thoughts on Pixel vs IPAD too. A PC is also an alternative, as is looking up and going outside for a walk.
I was waiting for “Why these names?”. Not a band, as Lewis wondered, I’m still searching
Kept looking for some cohesion between removed names and remaining words, SID KNIVES ... Nancy?? Will NANCY appear in the grid? TED BETRAYS ... wtf is Ted? Lasso? Danson? I haven't watched Curb in at least a decade, did Ted betray Larry?
Aside from that, never heard of SKIN DIVES, but not hard to work around, and I didn't know any of the proper names in the lower left corner, so a slow start down there
haha, thanks for my morning chuckle as I head out to see my podiatrist.
Too many proper names and youth and video game culture made this one impossible for me. Started really easy but ended with a big old DNF. Concept was poor. Execution worse. Fill total garbage.
So what would be the clue for the word GRNPSURF?
@Egs -- Hah! Good point!
Had the same thing happen to me recently. I knew I had finished a puzzle a couple weeks ago but then I noticed my streak had ended. Went back, looked at that puzzle, the clock wasn’t ticking so I was confused but reconciled to starting over. When I checked again later I’d gotten credit for the completed puzzle and my streak was back in tact. Maybe that’ll happen to you.
Supongo que soy el maniquí. {I know, wrong kind of dummy, but it's funnier and more apt this way.}
That was fun. The theme helped the solve instead of confusing me like they can on Thursdays. The best ones were BETTER DAYS and DAMNED LIES.
[Retailer across the street from Rockefeller Center] is the kind of clue reminding me we can't leave our editors in charge of places. All I know about New York is you're supposed to yell "I'm walking here!" when you cross the street.
I used incognito mode to look up SKINDIVES after the solve because I wasn't sure what it meant and the version in my head was far more skin and way less dives. But thankfully it's just swimming.
S-Tier video blah blah blah... next.
CRESTED and CROWNED have the same number of letters. My humor doesn't have much of an edge, it's more gumming wit. I don't know what an UMAMI BOMB is, but I love the phrase and I hope it's delicious.
People know the founder of Spanx? Should we? Seems like anybody associated with body shaming sucker-inners descended from corsets and foot-binding ought to be flushed from human consciousness.
In my heart, I really want neon to have a higher atomic number. The cool elements are all way up there.
❤️ [Duds in bed?] [Jumping Jehoshephat] = EGADS. SHINDIG.
People: 11 {cue the grumbles}
Places: 3
Products: 8
Partials: 3
Foreignisms: 6
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 31 of 74 (42%) {🔔 The bell choir gathers in the Gunkodrome yet again for another ringy-dingy.}
Funny Factor: 4 🙂
Tee-Hee: ANAL {another constructor who just won't clean up his word list}. BRA.
Uniclues:
1 Familiar name given to the night when we rise up as a community and go door to door to every crossword constructor's house, yank the laptops from their cold, unfeeling hands, and clean up their word lists.
2 Skinny dipping for the 1%.
3 My wife's purse. {Honestly, they're in there somewhere.}
4 Orcas with boas.
5 Place where I keep all my good ideas ... and severed heads.
6 One who hasn't seen the potatoes panoply on the other side.
1 ULTRA ANAL SOP (~)
2 ELITE SKIN DIVES (~)
3 MINT TRAP
4 FIN DANDIES (~)
5 EUREKA JARS
6 SALAD BAR'S FAN
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Used a canoe to transport moon reducer to secret island lair. OARED SHRINK RAY.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At 78 and far from up on current culture/names, this one most certainly did not play as "far too easy." My delight in finally solving it took a tumble at that description. Does Rex find EVERY puzzle to be easy?
@Roo
Similar thing happened to me last week. It was the puzzle with DOH in it. That's what I had but it kept saying "some letters are incorrect". Eventuslly I gave up... and it highlighted the O and the H. Could not figure it out! But I don't have a xword streak because I do the Sunday puzz in the magazine...
I agree with Rex: a good puzzle with some nice answrs, but pretty darn easy. I think there could have been a cleverer clue for SHINDIG—something to do with "a dent to the leg"? And there probably could have been a more challenging clue for AARON BURR, too—something like "Jefferson's first running mate, but not his second."
I did learn that a piece of bread can be called a SOP, and I learned what S-Tier refers to, so that's something. But I do think Thursday puzzles have seen BETTER DAYS.
Except it's not ridiculous sports trivia. It's US history 101. Levi's Stadium should lead you to think of Levi's jeans produced by the Levi Strauss corporation in San Francisco founded during the California Gold Rush originating in 1849. Miners who flocked to California were called Forty-Niners. I have a hard time believing that the San Francisco Forty-Niners professional football team is obscure to anyone playing the NYT Crossword.
Names, brand names, foreign words ("Buerre demi-"? WHAAAT??!) . . . "gunk"-fest indeed!
Was bumping along, got the theme after filling in the revealer, but then ran into the Mid Atlantic where the rat's nest of UMAMIBOMB, SARA, IPAD, MOD, and KAUAI all intersected and Nancy's wall was a real possibility. STARMAP was the only thing I could fill in the blanks with that made a plausible answer and that finally gave me EUREKA which I was missing as the clue for an S-Tier video game character was no help at all. Also met KATEY and EVAGREEN today. So not easy here. Not my jam.
Interesting idea , AW. and I had A Wonderful time, but this wasn't it. Thanks for a modicum of fun.
Does Rex every puzzle to be easy? Well ..
if you make a good chunk of your living out of the world of crossword puzzles ... then the answer is YES. If the puzzle is just an aside from the daily reading of the newspaper, and it would never occur to you in a million years to actually keep a written record of precisely how long it takes you every day to complete the puzzle, then that person's answer would be NO.
A pro golfer's average score would be par or under; a weekend duffer celebrates when he breaks 100. Its all a matter of perspective.
Too many unknown names and much too easy for a Thursday
Hey GJ--We got back recently after spending nine days in your part of the world and had a delightful time. The scenery couldn't be more different than our home but the real treat was how open and friendly everyone was. Quite a change from buttoned-up New England.
A prime example of gimmickry run riot and ruining the solving experience. Dreadful, dreadful, dreadful.
What is "Nancy's wall"?
Hmmm......., I wonder if threading would work on my back. Har.
The raft of names made this not so easy for an oldster like me, but have to admit AARONBURR has been around for a while. I guessed the revealer would be something incorporating “DOWNS” or DOWNSONLY”, never thought of the ODDS angle until forced by the crosses. Tried Sierra NEVADA (too long) and
MADRE (to get the D), before settling on LEONE.
Well, I had pacERS before NINERS. I did once know most of the teams, but years of neglect have let them sink into deep memory.
“Far too easy” is right. Fastest ever Thursday solve. Played like a Monday. Maybe a Tuesday.
We'd call them SCUBA dives now, unless they were free dives. In my youth, although SCUBA gear existed, the popular image of a diver was someone wearing a waterproof suit with an air hose running to the surface; so divers not using such a suit were called skin divers (even though they weren't actually naked!)
Another possible clue for AARONBURR would have been "Grandson of theologian Jonathan Edwards and Vice President of the United States."
Another clue for BITING WIT could be "Dentist jokes." You're in luck (bad luck). I've got two.
Just before the dentist started to work on Mrs. Johnson's molar, she reached up and grabbed him by the nuts. He looked down at her, stunned. And she said: "Now, we're not going to hurt each other, are we?"
A Texan at the dentist.
Dentist: You're teeth look fine, Mr. Baxter.
Baxter: Drill anyway, Doc, I feel lucky.
NYC store, 4 letters = SAKS.
Anagram for NRSPFRUG?
@Jnlzbth -- Nancy no longer posts here, but when she did she would indicate her displeasure with a puzzle by claiming that she had thrown it against her wall.
Too obvious.
If you have not yet seen it, do see "Odd Man Out" - Carol Reed, James Mason. Wounded and conflicted Irish nationalist moving underground to escape capture in mid-twentieth-century Belfast. A noir film made in black and white that tells a story that is anything but black and white. What's not to love? It's the movie Reed made immediately before making his two classic Graham Greene adaptations - "The Fallen Idol" and "The Third Man." Thematically and stylishly, these three films comprise a rich and powerful trilogy showing Reed at the very top of his game.
I needed the revealer to understand what was going on, and by that time the squares with circles were mostly filled in, so that it was hard to tell where the circles were. But that wasn't my biggest problem -- that was writing in Barbed WIT before BITING. Lots of confirmation with crosses, but it made it really hard to see AMBIENT. I had olD and then pre before MED for the school, but that worked out quickly.
I guess I'm an atheist, but a Christian one, so a monotheistic atheist. Consequently, I tend to say EGAD without the S.
Silly me, I forgot that the French have a different word...for everything, and accidentally plopped ApRIL in at 49D. While EpA GREEN might make a good name for an eco-conscious actress, it isn't anyone I've heard of. I have heard of EVA though.
I was avoiding the reveal area, trying to guess the theme from the circled letters but they seemed to be random names. I was guessing they might all belong in a group whose existence I was ignorant of but it seems the randomness is okay, they're all ODD MeN OUT. Cute.
Thanks, Adam Wagner!
Legendary commenter Nancy would throw a thoroughly frustrating puzzle at one of her walls.
I had fun with this one. Definitely on the easy side but the theme had a nice way of slowly unfurling itself rather than immediately jumping out like some rebuses tend to. A few stray thoughts:
• anybody else try wAmpA instead of JABBA for 54A ["Star Wars" character originally portrayed by a puppet that weighed over a ton]? Excellent niche kealoa potential there
• POR AVE NEB is not the handsomest row of fill ever to grace a grid. Though I was proud of getting NEB since my flight got diverted to Scottsbluff a few months ago due to weather in Denver. It was all worth it!
I get that video game MOD and S-tier aren't the loveliest things to see in a puzzle if you're not into video games. But in defense of them: crossword clues and answers pull from many different worlds, many of which feel niche to people who aren't steeped in them. For example, actors, TV shows, plays, musicals, NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL, every music genre under the sun, biblical references, etc. I personally know next to nothing about plays/musicals, am terrible with celebrity knowledge, don't know TV/movies very well. Plenty of solvers will have categories that are way outside their wheelhouse. That's ok! Why not have a few video game related clues sprinkled in? I think it's nice to see the NYT add variation and fresher feeling answers! And I suspect that plenty of solvers enjoy seeing them, the way that every solver likes seeing a clue that's right up their alley.
I'm with @Rex all the way on this one.
Lately I'm here every day after trying my best at the puzzle so I figured I'd start commenting even though I represent much less adept solvers haha. I had to check the puzzle to finish the NW corner! I got hung up on STEAKRUBS which I absurdly tried to cross with GEAKS for "computer pros" (in desperation I wondered if the famed geeksquad had an intentional misspelling in their brand). Later once I understood the ODD MEN OUT, I tried to construct a sensible answer for that corner, and even considered SKINDIVE but had no idea that was a real thing (it seemed less so than all the others) and dismissed it. 😅 So close!
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