Nonhuman source of spam / THU 11-13-25 / Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" / Sound from Peppa of kids' TV / What something a magician holds might disappear into / Flavor of Frangelico liqueur / Props for one's performance / Milky Way maker ... or Milky Way object

Thursday, November 13, 2025

Constructor: Kyle Perkins

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: The WHEELS on the, let's say, bus (49D: What this puzzle's sets of shaded squares resemble) — four answers loop back on themselves following a path that vaguely resembles a "wheel," further, these same answers contain a word that indicates circularity (wheel-ness) in some way:

Theme answers (red letters appear in the shaded squares):
  • SHOOTS SOME HOOPS (18A: Practices on the court)
  • ROLLS ONE'S EYES (29A: Shows exasperation, in a way)
  • THROW FOR A LOOP (48A: Bewilder)
  • ROUND OF APPLAUSE (59A: Props for one's performance)
Word of the Day: DENEB (25D: Brightest star in Cygnus) —

Deneb (/ˈdɛnɛb/) is a blue supergiant star in the constellation of Cygnus. It is the brightest star in the constellation and the 19th brightest in the night sky, with an apparent magnitude slightly varying between +1.21 and +1.29. Deneb is one of the vertices of the asterism known as the Summer Triangle and the "head" of the Northern Cross. Its Bayer designation is α Cygni, which is Latinised to Alpha Cygni, abbreviated to Alpha Cyg or α Cyg.

Deneb rivals Rigel, a closer blue supergiant, as the most luminous first-magnitude star. However, its distance, and hence luminosity, is poorly known; its luminosity is estimated to be between 55,000 and 196,000 times that of the Sun. Distance estimates range from 1,400 to 2,600 light-years; assuming its highest value, it is the farthest star with an apparent magnitude brighter than 2.50. (wikipedia)

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I've seen theme answers loop back on themselves like this before, so the trick didn't trick me much, but I was curious to see what the premise of it all was going to be and how the theme was going to be executed. Got the ROLLS part early...


... and wondered if all the shaded circles were going to "roll" or if some other words might be involved. Also wondered what the hook was going to be. Which is to say, I had questions / concerns about the execution of the theme. But at this point, after the first themer, I had reasonably high hopes. I was, you might say, a HOPER (you and I both know you would never say this, but let's table that for now). Sadly, my hopes were dashed pretty quickly, as soon as I got to the next themer: SHOOTS SOME HOOPS. This was the point at which you might say ... the wheels came off. To understand why my hopes were in pieces, go look again at ROLLS ONE'S EYES. See how the relevant word, "ROLLS," is contained entirely inside the shaded-square wheel. The "wheel" is made entirely of wheel-word (i.e. the letters in "rolls"). It's very neat, but also, I would argue, necessarily neat. It's what you expect with a theme that pairs wheel motion with wheel-related word—if those shaded squares "resemble" WHEELS, then those shaded squares should also contain the word that is wheel-related. ROLLS ONE'S EYES did this perfectly. SHOOTS SOME HOOPS!?!?!!? I honestly stopped to wonder (aloud?) how SOMEH was a circular thing. What, about that letter string, indicates rolling? I wasn't even thinking about the fact that HOOPS are circular because there's far more of "SOME" inside that "wheel" than there is of HOOPS. Your "wheel" should not be filled with SOME. That's not road-worthy. Your "wheel" should be filled (filled, I say) with HOOPS. Putting most of "SOME" in the "wheel," oof, absolutely not. Awkward as heck. 


And the next two themers did the same dance—ROUND OF APPLAUSE, mwah, perfect. "Wheel" filled entirely with the letters from the wheel-word, "ROUND." And then THROW FOR A LOOP, where the "wheel" is filled with ... ORAL. It's an ORAL wheel. This is your fourth tire, basically:


Further, the revealer does nothing. There's no wordplay, no cleverness. Just a mere one-word description. If you're going to bother with a revealer, it should pop. It should give the solver a feeling of "oh, nice turn of phrase. That is a good concept to build a theme around." WHEELS just ... sits there. Asymmetrically. Pointing. "WHEELS ... eh!? eh!? Get it?" Got it.


Back to HOPER now (sigh) (52D: Optimist). The fill in this puzzle had real promise up front, with SEA LIONS and HAZELNUT doing a great job of giving extra zing to a pretty thematically dense grid. You don't expect to find ADORABLE GROTTOES in a grid where the theme is so dominant, but this puzzle manages to come up with some non-thematic flair. To be clear, "four theme answers plus a short revealer" does not sound particularly taxing, as themes go, but the wheel parts—the parts that elevate above the plane of the answer—make the puzzle much much harder to fill cleanly. They greatly reduce your leeway as a constructor. So driving a pair of fine longer answers through not one but two of the "wheels" was somewhat impressive to me. And yet ... ADORABLE GROTTOES may look good going down, but if you look at that "ORAL" "wheel" from an Across perspective, oof. LDRS!?!?! (43A: Those in charge: Abbr.). No one has used LDR singular in a puzzle since 2011. But plural? Yeesh. That answer has been used a small handful of times, but this is the first time it's ever appeared on any day but Sunday (Sundays being giant grids that you expect to get a little desperate around the edges). I could allow for one terrible abbr., but unfortunately the fill stays pretty bad down below. HOPER, blargh. Single KUDO, jocularly or not, blargh. ERAT, always blargh. DCUP PEE ADFREE ... the fill down below is wobbly in a way the fill up top (mostly) isn't. Maybe it's because there's this additional theme answer stuck down here—the sadly matter-of-fact WHEELS—that the fill is struggling to thrive. I dunno. I just know that between the anti-climax of WHEELS and the increasingly weak fill, this puzzle started much better than it ended.


Bullets:
  • 42A: Make it (TAG) — in the game of tag, when you tag someone, you make them "It." "TAG, you're it!"
  • 62A: Nonhuman source of spam (BOT) — Me: "Wait ... so you're saying Spam is usually made of .... humans?" The difference between a capital and lowercase letter has never been more colossal. Once you learn that humans are the source of Spam, it's hard to imagine what the nonhuman source might be. Could be anything. "I'm sorry—you're telling me Spam is made of people!?" "Not always. Sometimes we use RAT." "Ah. I see..." [obviously the puzzle was going for a different kind of spam]
  • 69A: Subject discussed in—and also hidden in the name of —the 2019 documentary "Third Eye Spies" (ESP) — an elaborate clue that I might have liked ... if SPY hadn't already been in the grid (44D: One with secrets). "Spies" in a clue when there is SPY already in the grid (and nearby)? Boo. Jarring dupe.
  • 11D: Actor J.B. of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" (SMOOVE) — this was a gimme, though I'm not entirely sure why, as I have never watched a full episode of "Curb," to my knowledge. I just feel like once you know that a dude named J.B. SMOOVE exists, you don't forget that.


  • 27D: Eerie forest sound (HOOT) — had the "HO-" and wrote in HOWL!
  • 55D: Word aptly filling the blanks of this verb: SE___A_E (PART) — I don't normally love clues like this, but for whatever reason (maybe because by this point I was really looking for a bright side), I smiled at this one. I'm not sure how "apt" it is that a word just happens to contain the letters of its own synonym (esp. non-consecutively), but whatever, I still smiled.
  • 28A: November honoree, informally (VET) — I wanted MOM. OK, I didn't actually want MOM, but MOM is informal, and it does fit, and (most importantly) it is my MOM's birthday today. Happy birthday, mom. 
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27 comments:

Conrad 6:01 AM  


Happy Birthday, Mrs. Sharp!!

Easy-Medium. I had a little trouble in the SW but I gave myself a ROUND OF APPLAUSE (59A) and got it.

Overwrites:
2D: SEAL pupS before SEA LIONS
I don't know about you, but at a 5D spa I say AaH, not AHH
Had to wait for crosses at 9D because UHS could have been erS or UmS
My 19D caddies carried TEeS before they carried TEAS
At 43A I had ceoS in charge before LDRS

One WOE:
Can't recall ever hearing the name J.B. SMOOVE (11D)

Question: My kids are too old for Peppa Pig. Does she actually say OINK (56A)?

Son Volt 6:06 AM  

Simplistic but fun to grok and oddly well filled. Got it early with SHOOTS SOME HOOPS. I don’t like the shaded squares. Revealer is an afterthought.

Burrito Brothers

THIN AIR, GROTTOES, GOES APE are all solid - most of the fill is clean and interesting. HOPER and KUDO are outliers. The D CUPs - those are the big ones.

Hoodoo Gurus

An enjoyable Thursday morning solve.

If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will

Anonymous 6:10 AM  

A little inside joke on the two-cent clue: that's about what the NYT pays for an op-ed. Although they have moved from the high two figures to the mid three.

Anonymous 6:16 AM  

The plural of LEGO is LEGO or LEGO BRICKS, not LEGOS.

DGresh 6:23 AM  

Mars is in the Milky Way? Sometimes maybe, but it's certainly not part of it.

Anonymous 6:28 AM  

Great fun! Can't a crossword simply be fun now and again?

Bob Mills 6:47 AM  

Caught on to the trick with ROLLSONESEYES, but didn't see SOME in the middle of SHOOT----HOOPS. But the music sounded anyway because the crosses were right. It's sometimes better to be lucky than smart.

Anonymous 6:49 AM  

this also bugged me, as a Lego pedant

JJK 7:03 AM  

Having several grandchildren who love playing with LEGOS, I can attest that the plural is used all the time.

JJK 7:09 AM  

I found this Monday-easy up top and very hard down below. It was like two puzzles, with the lower half being made up of vague opaque clues. I didn’t know DENEB and LDRS as an abbreviation for leaders is really a stretch. I got the theme early on but sussing out the two southern themers was tough because of the fill around them. And HOPER is just awful.

kitshef 7:18 AM  

Loved the theme. Rex's objection doesn't fly for me. The letters in the first themer he found are rOLLSOneseyes, so OLLSO. And in his #3, rOUNDOfappplause, so OUNDO. None of the 'wheels' are made up of the wheel word alone.

One of those days when I wonder if the NYTXW editors actually know what the word 'aptly' means (see 55D).

Had to stare at SMOOVE for a long time before deciding to accept it.

Plural LEGOS and singular KUDO. Yuck.

SouthsideJohnny 7:21 AM  

The theme seemed like a good idea. I agree with Rex that the reveal missed the mark a little bit. By the time you get to it, most people will have already discerned the theme, so no aha there (probably more like a shrug). Not a tragic flaw, but somewhat inelegant.

I would have skipped DENEB and SMOOVE - although I’ll go out on a limb and guess that the actor is reasonably well known. I’m guessing DENEB is not going to be front of mind for many people.

I noticed that Will allowed LEGOS, which doesn’t really bother me since the NYT plays fast and loose with trivial things like accuracy and I’ve gotten used to it. It will be interesting to see if the LEGO-pedants come out in any significant numbers today.

SouthsideJohnny 7:23 AM  

I’m not sure what you are getting at. Our whole solar system is part of the Milky Way. What am I missing?

kitshef 7:26 AM  

The sun and all its planets - including Mars - are indeed part of the galaxy we call the Milky Way. The Milky Way can be used as a term for just the dense band of stars in the night sky, but it is also used as a term for our galaxy and all it contains.

Anonymous 7:33 AM  

The topic has become tiresome, but it is exasperating that editors allowed LEGOS to get by. Really?

Andy Freude 7:37 AM  

Yep, that bugged me too.

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

Well, what is the Milky Way but the collection of its billions of constituent parts or which our solar system and its constituents parts - including Mars - are a part?

mathgent 7:40 AM  

Clues like the one for PART at 55D sometimes appear in the Sunday NYT Puns & Anagrams puzzles. I love them. I tried to make one and couldn't do it. Lewis probably can.

I really liked this one despite the clunkers.

Lewis 7:40 AM  

If anyone has anything untoward to say about this delightful puzzle, I will mentally 48A (THROW FOOP) at them!

Anonymous 7:41 AM  

When do caddies carry teas? I feel like I’m missing something.

tht 7:41 AM  

Maybe according to the company, but language is in the mouths of the people and the company cannot control that. "Ouch!" "What's the matter?" "I stepped on some LEGO" said nobody ever.

Anonymous 7:51 AM  

Had to pop my eyeballs back into their sockets after they rolled so hard. "LEGO bricks" said no kid ever. It will always be LEGOs.

Trinch 7:52 AM  

I got tripped up with 44 down. I figured that it could not be SPY since 69 across had “spies” in the clue. Guess the rule doesn’t count if it’s plural.
Also, not to nitpick, but there is no such thing as a Nobel prize in economics. There is the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. However, despite incorrectly being called a Nobel Prize, it is not.
Ok fine. Definitely nitpicking. But I stand by my facts.

mathgent 7:53 AM  

Catholic grade school, high school, and college, and I didn't know that the ashes used on Ash Wednesday traditionally come from burning left over palms from the previous Palm Sunday. And I paid attention.

Anonymous 7:54 AM  

Actually our entire solar system is in the Milky Way, in the Orion Arm. What we see in the night sky is just a portion of it.

mmorgan 7:57 AM  

For once, I didn’t mind that the puzzle had little circles in it (in AcrossLite at least). Usually not a fan. But Curb? Love it!

Lewis 8:00 AM  

This is a hard theme to pull off, as the gray squares, which have to be filled in with specific letters, greatly restrict the words that can go into the grid’s white squares (Hi, @Rex!). Also, the horizontal theme answers have to be of certain lengths to meet symmetry, and coming up with this set had to be a bear.

Despite these roadblocks, this grid is sprinkled with beauty: MUESLI, ROUND OF APPLAUSE, PESTER, SPONGES (as clued), PULL FOR, GROTTOEES, THROW FOR A LOOP, and OH C’MON. Those last two, by the way, are NYT answer debuts.

Pulling this all off on a debut is most impressive, not to mention doing so while jockeying a job and three small kids. Wow!

I’ve seen going-in-circles puzzles like this before, but it’s been a hot minute, and they’re a HOOT to fill in. I love the specific type riddling they kindle, where you have to think like you do in a rebus puzzle, squeeze extra answers into an answer.

My TIL: Getting the answer to whether SPONGES (the living kind) are plants or animals.

Congratulations on your debut, Kyle, and I’m eager to see more from you. Thank you!

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