Odysseus' captor / WED 4-9-25 / Starbucks drink made with olive oil / Sage-colored sage / M&M color replaced in 1995 / Actor Sprouse of "Riverdale" / Sorghum relative / Where Jewish singles might mingle / Septet with the #1 albums "Be" and "Map of the Soul: 7"

Wednesday, April 9, 2025

Constructor: Aidan Deshong and Oren Hartstein

Relative difficulty: Easy-Medium


THEME: Three-star reviews — ordinary phrases clued as if they were 3-star reviews of ... random things:

Theme answers:
  • MIXED RESULTS (19A: Three-star review of a cocktail shaker?)
  • HIT-OR-MISS (25A: Three-star review of Battleship?)
  • PASSABLE (40A: Three-star review of a no-stress class?)
  • IT'S JUST OK (51A: Three-star review of Tulsa?)
  • GOOD NOT GREAT (60A: Three-star review of the Friday before Easter?)
Word of the Day: COLE Sprouse (12D: Actor Sprouse of "Riverdale") —

Cole Mitchell Sprouse (born August 4, 1992) is an American actor. He is known for his role as Cody Martin on the Disney Channel series The Suite Life of Zack & Cody (2005–2008), and its spin-off series The Suite Life on Deck (2008–2011), and his role as Jughead Jones on The CW television series Riverdale (2017-2023). In his early career, Sprouse appeared in various projects with his twin brother Dylan Sprouse, including The Suite Life and Big Daddy (1999) (wikipedia)
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MIXED RESULTS, true. Two out of five of these feel like actual review phrases with precisely written clues. I have smiley faces written on my puzzle print-out next to HIT OR MISS and IT'S JUST OK. MIXED RESULTS doesn't quite hit as a review phrase and stands out for being a noun phrase where the rest ... aren't. PASSABLE is definitely a review phrase, but the clue on that one is botched all to heck. Just because a class is PASSABLE doesn't mean it's "no-stress." A "D" is passing, and no one wants a "D." If you were taking the class Pass/Fail (which is what I wanted to write in here, despite the fact that it's not a plausible review phrase), then ... even then, it's just PASSABLE. All classes are PASSABLE. The only class that's "no-stress" is an EASY A. So the clue clunked there. And GOOD NOT GREAT is something you might say in a review, but something about giving the crucifixion a meh rating feels ... off, even to me (not exactly a committed Christian). I like IT'S JUST OK because the wordplay is kind of funny and though I've never been to Tulsa (that I can recall), that review feels accurate (feel free to insult the place where I live—Binghamton, NY—I won't mind; you won't be the first). I should ding IT'S JUST OK for fudging things by adding the "IT'S" part (for symmetry purposes) (the "IT'S" is merely implied in three of the other themers—god knows what's implied as the lead-in to MIXED RESULTS). I think of three stars as a good review. I mean, if it's GOOD NOT GREAT ... that's not the same as "JUST OK" or "PASSABLE." Still, I like the attempt to make them all middling reviews; it gives the theme some needed coherence. But I swear I'm not doing a bit when I say that the execution of this theme was so-so.


The long Downs today are winners. Strong, solid, in-the-language, no weaknesses. Some of the mid-length stuff is nice as well. Not that fond of plural EARFULS (earsful?) but I liked seeing CALYPSO (esp. as clued) (37D: Odysseus' captor), and there's some good action in there as well (DWINDLE, NOURISH, WIGGLE). Unfortunately, the shorter fill is a bit on the dismal side again today. ILIUM ILOSE AGRA ATTN SRA LSAT ISTO ... the entire NE corner (well, HTTP OHSO REPO), more UMA, more NIA, more REA ... the oddly formal "SEE YOU" (if you are shortening "I'll see you later" to two words, the phrase is "SEE YA"). The only thing that made me really wince (and kind of wretch) was OLEATO (66A: Starbucks drink made with olive oil). Where's my "Not All Debuts Are Good" sign ... I know it's around here somewhere ... anyway, imagine that I'm tapping it. I love coffee (like, Love coffee), and I've been in and around many a Starbucks over the past 30+ years or however long they've been around, and I kid you not when I tell you this is the first time I've ever heard of an OLEATO. Am I just not looking at the menu close enough? Is it regional? Here's the thing: I don't actually care, as I don't go to Starbucks unless I'm traveling and desperate, and even if I did I wouldn't put olive oil in my damned coffee. Does the olive oil cover up the fact that Starbucks coffee is just PASSABLE (at best)? Please, constructors, don't get it in your head that some niche proper noun that's really just a concatenation of vowels with a consonant or two thrown in counts as "good" fill. It looks desperate and is decidedly not good. We already have to know all the damn Starbucks sizes (VENTI, GRANDE ... the absurd TALL...) OLEATO is an oily bridge too far. Though now I know it, so ... at least I won't be caught off guard next time, I guess. (Apparently this drink was intro'd in 2023 and is "a revolutionary new coffee ritual" ... pass)


Bullets:
  • 24A: Sell/buy-back agreement, for short (REPO) — I thought REPO was when they take back (i.e. REPOssess) the car (or whatever) because you couldn't make payments. I don't really know what this particular REPO is getting at. Maybe it's the same thing? [it’s a finance term: “repurchase agreement”— 🤷🏻]
  • 4A: Sorghum relative (MILLET) — I know sorghum is a crop of some kind ... that is all I know about sorghum. MILLET is a grain ... popular with the gluten-free folks, I think. According to wikipedia, sorghum is also known as "Great MILLET." The MILLET taxonomy is extensive and confusing. Too deep in the cereal grass weeds for me.
  • 67A: M&M color replaced in 1995 (TAN) — I miss TAN. Bring back TAN.
  • 37A: Sea ___ (COW) — hardest of the three-letters, for me. Even with the -OW I was like "See ... HOW?" As in, "you can see how this clue might be confusing." A Sea COW is another name for a manatee.


  • 22D: Sage-colored sage (YODA) — I guess that is his color. My brain had trouble processing this clue. Differentiating "sage" meanings at speed ... apparently it's too early for that.
A little bit more about this past weekend's ACPT, as I didn't really talk about the puzzle side of it all (you go for the people, but yes, there are puzzles!). I can't / won't talk about individual puzzles in any detail, as some people will have ordered the puzzle pack and won't have solved them all yet, but I can say that the solving takes place over two days, most of it on Saturday, when you solve six puzzles in two three-puzzle chunks (Puzzles 1, 2, 3, then lunch, then 4, 5, 6). Puzzle 7 is on Sunday morning, and it is (appropriately) Sunday-sized (the others range from the standard 15-wide to 19-wide, typically, I think). Most solvers are in the main ballroom, a cavernous place. If you've seen the movie Wordplay, you have seen the ballroom. Because there were so many solvers this year (a record number, I think: over 1000 total), solvers had to be put into overflow rooms downstairs. That's where all the pairs were located too, so that's where my wife and I were. These rooms hold maybe 50 people each (I'm guessing). We had a video link to the main ballroom so we could hear Shortz making announcements and introducing the puzzles. Once you start solving, there's a big official timer on the screen up front so you know how long you have left. 

[Angela Olson, Christina Iverson, Katie Hale, unintentionally color-coordinated]

Solving as a pair is an odd experience, as there is some talking involved (you gotta communicate with your partner!). You'd think it would be a distraction, but I honestly didn't notice anyone else's talking. Everyone was very good about whispering. I was probably the talkiest one, as I found myself kind of whispering my way through the whole thing in a way I'd never have done, or been tempted to do, solving solo. The trickiest bit is getting the actual letters into the grid. Every pair got two puzzles, one for each team member, and some teams worked separately and then combined their work at some point, but this seemed like the sloooow option, so we both worked on the same grid directly—she worked from the NW down, I worked from the SE up, and eventually we met up in a chaotic flurry of lead. You have to trust your partner a lot (we never checked each other's work) and you have to make sure you're not blocking your partner's view of the clues any more than you absolutely have to. No one really tells you how to do this; you just learn as you go. I think we'll actually be better next time. Less awkward, anyway.

[The "A" Finals: Will Nediger, Paolo Pasco, Dan Feyer—spoilers for the final puzzle!]

You get a bonus for every minute you finish early, so the minute marks are all that matter. If you finish and look up and the clock reads 9:50, then you absolutely take all those 50 seconds to check over your grid, make sure there are no blank squares (leaving blanks is the worst feeling! I know from experience!) and that everything written in the grid looks like a real thing. You might also have flagged iffy / awkward areas for review at the end. If you finish and look up and the clock reads, say, 9:07, that is somewhat more stressful because you have to decide "do I eat the extra minute to check my grid thoroughly or do I just give it a quick scan for blanks and turn it in before 9:00!?" My advice for most people is "Eat The Minute!" but if you're gunning for a top finish, you might throw caution to the wind. I've seen too many crushed solvers to recommend throwing caution anywhere, but it's easy to get caught up in the moment and do rash things. 

[a blurry selfie with the great Wyna Liu]

If you finish early, you can leave the room. Most people go out and process their post-solve feelings with other solvers. Or go to the bathroom, whatever. Without giving away puzzle specifics, I will say that the puzzles were particularly well made this year. I had a few moments of "ugh, what?" but only a very few. The caliber of puzzle was generally a notch higher than the average NYTXW, I'd say—but then all the constructors were top-tier (here's the list), and the puzzles were probably tested within an inch of their lives. If I seem a little disappointed in the puzzles this week, it's probably (in part) because they're suffering by comparison. To sum up: it was great fun and we won! Should I post the picture again? No? Sorry, can't resist.


I forgot to thank Mike Nothnagel for making me a Manhattan (he brought his own booze!) and bringing it to me in the lobby on both Friday and Saturday night during the tourney weekend. That's a good friend right there. Thanks, Mike.

See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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93 comments:

Lewis 6:15 AM  

My five favorite original clues from last week
(in order of appearance):

1. It may lead to a second opinion (4)
2. Old story coming straight from the horse's mouth? (6)(3)
3. House in Milan (6)
4. Ball two? (10)
5. Toy with one's food, perhaps? (5)(4)


ALSO
TROJAN WAR
ARMANI
AFTERPARTY
HAPPY MEAL

Conrad 6:22 AM  


Easy-Medium.

Overwrites:
21A: So long before SEE YOU
30A: neat before TIDY
40A: PASS-fail before PASSABLE

WOEs:
COLE Sprouse (12D)
OLEATO (66A)

Anonymous 6:28 AM  

Repo in this usage is a finance term, from "repurchase agreement." Maybe a bit niche/jargon for a Wednesday

Andy Freude 6:31 AM  

Despite the nits, which Rex so dependably picks, I enjoyed the theme, mostly because of the rarity of the three-star review. Back when I was still reading online reviews (before the bots took over Bezosland), I noticed how most products had four- and five-star reviews, with a scattering of one-star reviews from the haters. But oh, so rare was the person who thought something was meh and bothered to post a three-star review. So all the themers today made me smile, even when they were a bit off the mark.

SouthsideJohnny 6:50 AM  

Kind of me in a microcosm: I never watched an episode of Seinfeld, but of course I knew ELAINE from CrossWorld. Have wandered into a Starbucks occasionally, but never heard of an OLEATO, although it seems pretty crossword-friendly.

That whole MILLET situation is too confusing for my simple brain. Forget DRY ICE - I used sodium (or maybe it was potassium) dichromate in my model volcano, and boy did that thing lightup like the Fourth of July.

I thought Rex would go a little tougher on the theme , but he gave it (what is for him) something close to a lukewarm endorsement.

Anonymous 7:09 AM  

+10 for concatenation.

kitshef 7:16 AM  

Found this harder than a typical Wednesday. OLEATO was the only WoE, but clue for WET is very strange, and ATTN is not part of the subject line. 'In re' or 'as to' I would accept there. ATTN is part of the 'to' line. You got your four sections: date, to, from, and subject.

And beyond all that, the theme doesn't seem particularly consistent. See Rex for more details. Appropriately, it’s a so-so puzzle overall.

Fun Fact: Dry ice was once a trademarked name.

Anonymous 7:49 AM  

My first stab at a three star review of a no-stress class was SOSOYOGA, which didn’t last long but I thought was kinda cute.

Anonymous 7:56 AM  

'And GOOD NOT GREAT is something you might say in a review, but something about giving the crucifixion a meh rating feels ... off, even to me (not exactly a committed Christian).' I thought was actually a clever reference to Good Friday.
I agree with some of the other commenters that it was an interesting puzzle with some wonky clues. 3 star puzzle?

Anonymous 8:05 AM  

Thanks, wondered about that

Dr Random 8:08 AM  

I actually got a kick out of GOOD NOT GREAT, though I tend to enjoy humor that other religious folks might find bordering on the sacrilegious. I think it plays a bit on the fact that the name itself feels off, such that there are a mix of explanations about why we call it that in English in the first place (Romance languages call it “holy,” German calls it “sorrowful”). Something about the answer in that context made me imagine someone clarifying the confusion caused by English’s weird term for the day. Maybe it’s a meh review for the term itself? Anyway, I found it amusing.

ncmathsadist 8:14 AM  

no use for the REA/OLEATO cross. Ugh.

Lewis 8:17 AM  

It was “Hah!” after “Hah!” for me from get-go to got-done. This puzzle was so playful! Just a stellar mood booster.

So much to like – that friendly poke at the Times with its flying machine prediction, the PuzzPairs© of TIDY/NEAT and BITE/EAT, the marvelous LE-ending verb trio TWIDDLE, WIGGLE, and DWINDLE, and the terrific Oklahoma and Good Friday theme answers.

Talk about a meteoric rise – this is not only a NYT debut puzzle for Oren, but it’s the first puzzle he’s ever made!

Talk about the potential for crossword history – this is Aidan’s third NYT puzzle, his first two being a Friday and Thursday – so he can be only the second constructor to hit the cycle (a NYT puzzle for every day of the week) in their first seven puzzles (the first being Andrew Ries). Go for it, sir!

It’s obvious to me that you two have a great time together making puzzles, and please do it some more – thank you so much for this!

RooMonster 8:25 AM  

Hey All !
16 wide puz. PASSABLE in center is even numbered (8), so that requires an even number of columns to fit symmetrically, ergo, 16 wide.

Bold Theme idea, in that, it sets itself up for joshing. "Did you like the puz?" ITS JUST OK, GOOD NOT GREAT ..." You get the point. 😁

WIGGLE a fun word. Constructors had a choice twixt WIGGLE, GIGGLE, NIGGLE or JIGGLE. I might've chose JIGGLE, maybe with a Jello clue. Or a Santa clue

Nice puz, good fill, easy.

Happy Wednesday! SEE YOU later.

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Rug Crazy 8:35 AM  

Never heard of OLEATO either/ Only in a Starbucks once, MANY years ago

Smith 8:45 AM  

Super easy, until the "not quite" message. Huh? Because I usually do Mon/Tues downs only it has become a habit. So I had TakE IT DOWN (like, "take it down a notch"), write over from TakE IT easy, and didn't check the acrosses since LaW and UkE looked ok. Lost a minute finding those errors.

Thought the theme was cute. FWIW I've recently left a bunch of 3 star reviews! I still have *some* faith that not all reviews are left by bots. You can kind of tell - first of all ignore anything that doesn't have a written comment. Then you "review" the comments for relevance and specificity. The themers here would not pass that test! What would make it better? Why is it just OK?

But as a puzzle, very cute.

Jacke 8:48 AM  

Sea COW went right in because, randomly enough, I encountered a Stellar's sea cow skeleton in the London Natural History Museum yesterday and did a Wikipedia dive trying to figure out how an Afrothere got to the Bering Sea. Sea cow is not manatee precisely, it is rather the order of which manatee is one of the two remaining families (along with dugongs). All Afrotheres and therefore more closely related to aardvarks and hyraxes than to other aquatic mammals. Mammals went back into the water more than once through different routes.

Bob Mills 8:52 AM  

Took me a while to get SWEETIEPIE, but otherwise not hard. Good idea for a theme, but using Holy Week and Good Friday as part of it is questionable.

Anonymous 8:52 AM  

Lots of names today. Most of them were gettable, but who the eff is Cole Sprouse? Seems like an odd choice for a relatively common name

Anonymous 8:52 AM  

There were signs for Oleato all over my local Starbucks early last year. The drinks were discontinued before the year was over.

pabloinnh 8:55 AM  

This was a little sticky for me and I didn't get a themer until GOODNOTGREAT which did help me see what was going on. Lots of names I know only from having seen them in crosswords, and they were indeed helpful. so sometimes names are a good thing, except for you, COLE, whoever you are. Nothing like seeing an unknown name in some TV show I've never seen. Not an aid to solving.

Nor have I ever heard of an OLEATO, or JDATE, for that matter. I guessed the T to get DATE because of the "singles" in the clue and it turned out to be right, so I hummed the happy music to myself when I confirmed it by checking into the blog.

Nice job, AD and OH. A Decent puzz, on the Other Hand some themers that didn't quite do it (see OFL). Thanks for a fair amount of fun.

And today my granddaughter turns 13 so we have a teenager to deal with (It's also my birthday, but like a few recent puzzles, I skew older.) She gets the attention, which is fine with me, because I don't need further reminders of getting older.

Anonymous 8:57 AM  

Wet _______ paint?
Is reply really the opposite of forward?
Just a bunch of answers that are like yeah I get it but are kind of off for the sake of giving a moments pause but that only works when the answer is an a-ha, not a ok but you’re sort of fudging it.

Anonymous 8:59 AM  

Thought the good friday clue was a bit ick as well…fun fact always thought the lyric in the Sugarcubes song ‘Birthday’ was ‘They’re smoking sea cows’… not ‘cigars’…

schwa 9:08 AM  

* retch

Nancy 9:16 AM  

A very nice theme idea. I thought the answers got stronger and funnier as I got to the bottom of the grid. Of course HIT OR MISS was lost on me since I know zilch about "Battleship. I thought the funniest was GOOD NOT GREAT -- but maybe a bit tasteless in that particular context? Maybe it would have been good to find a different GOOD for the clue? Samaritan, maybe? Changing grids is hard, but changing clues is easy.

I was impressed by the fact that the constructors managed to get both theme density AND some nice long stacks in the Down answers. Cute wordplay, a nice grid, and an enjoyable Wednesday.

Anonymous 9:22 AM  

The OLEATO has *already* been discontinued. IMO this makes it bad as clued, because it is not currently a Starbucks drink.

Edward 9:26 AM  

Is it me or does OLEATO sound like it should be the name of a city in upstate New York? Very easy-medium puzzle today otherwise.

Anonymous 9:31 AM  

I mentioned above why I got a kick out of GOOD NOT GREAT as clued, but I'm also getting a kick out of imagining the meh context for a Good Samaritan.

SyncopateThatGayageum 9:38 AM  

Yeah I didn't get on with oleato at all. Seems fine to have in the puzzle if it's an item at a brand as world famous as Starbucks but I needed almost every cross before I could fill in the rest. I see above that it's been discontinued which I agree renders it as a bad thing to include.

Nancy 9:45 AM  

And not a moment too soon.

Anonymous 10:00 AM  

This is a perfect level of Wednesday Difficulty

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

Wait I don’t get Agra?

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

No now I get it

Teedmn 10:09 AM  

Hard for a Wednesday! I was hung up in the NE for what seems like forever, trying to make Adobo work for 10A and not having any idea on 24A. I had aTTn in at 13D only to find it belonged at 54A.

The theme is cute though the theme answers didn't seem related until after I finished. If I'd seen the connection earlier, would it have helped? I dunno.

TWIDDLE, DWINDLE, WIGGLE, PASSABLE. And CALYPSO. All fun to see in a grid.

Thanks, Aidan and Oren.

egsforbreakfast 10:15 AM  


I get together with a bunch of friends who are painters and sculptors once a month to eat Tex-Mex. We call it chili CONARTISTS.

Someone needs to brush up on their written communications. I don't think that ATTN goes in the subject line, and REPLY doesn't seem like the opposite of forward.

Why did Matt Gaetz go out with a Jewish girl? Someone told him the "J" in JDATE stood for juvenile.

I liked the theme concept a lot. Making an excellent puzzle that highlights mediocrity is right up my borderline absurdist alley. Thanks, Aidan Deshong and Oren Hartstein, and congrats to Oren on debuting in the NY f'ing Ts with your first puzzle!

Teedmn 10:17 AM  

After reading Rex, I remembered a tip I got from LMS - to avoid leaving a blank square, turn your grid sideways and upside down. For some reason, the blanks are easier to see that way.

Carola 10:28 AM  

Such interesting information + word gems (Afrothere, dugong, aardvark, hyrax). Thank you for this comment.

Anonymous 10:33 AM  

Good to have you back Lewis! I missed your cheery analysis.

EasyEd 10:35 AM  

Seemed to me a 3 star review by Rex, tougher I think than the puzzle deserved. I initially had similar reaction to the GOOD clue but shifting my viewpoint to the word play alone gives it a very humorous vibe. I would give the clue for YODA five stars, but then I’m a Star Wars fan. Didn’t get it right away because I live in Purple Sage country. Never tried OLEATO and sounds like that was a good choice. Fun low-key humorous puzzle.

Beezer 10:49 AM  

Haha…I had forgotten about THAT until your post and JUST figured it out after looking at your first post. I don’t get on Instagram, so I THOUGHT maybe the Taj Mahal was in it’s logo or something once I saw that AGRA was the answer…d’oh!

Carola 10:56 AM  

Lots of smiles for this one - a puzzle that used a three-star theme to (presumably) get awarded four or five stars in the mind of the solver + a wealth of fun in the TWIDDLE, DWINDLE, CALYPSO, WIGGLE area + those very nice long Downs. I caught on to the theme with MIXED RESULTS, the one answer that I would say was only three-star worthy; loved HIT OR MISS; had warring impulses at GOOD NOT GREAT, finding that being a lapsed believer did not fully cancel out religious upbringing.

Carola 10:56 AM  

Happy Birthday!

Carola 10:57 AM  

I think "Samaritan" is a great idea.

My Name 10:58 AM  

The sea-cow or grey manatee
Spends most of its time in the sea,
But in tropical rainstorms
It suffers from brainstorms
And hangs upside down in a tree.

jberg 11:03 AM  

First off, in the Guide Michelin, perhaps the most famous star-rating system of them all, three stars is the absolute top, a restaurant so good that it is worth making a trip just to eat there -- "il vaut le voyage." There are only 15 such establishments in the US today. So I had to get a few of the themers from crosses before I realized that we were dealing with so-so ratings. OK, five-star ratings also have a long history, way older than Yelp, so that's OK. As for the idea of reviewing "the Friday before Easter," the offensiveness of the concept is nicely balanced by the wit of the answer, so that's OK for me, but perhaps not to the millions for whom it is a sacred day.

The puzzle gets some more wittiness points for cluing COW as a partial after "Sea," rather than Holy, Sacred, or even How Now Brown. To my regret, I got it entirely from crosses without noticing the clue, so I missed out on that little thrill.

On the down side, we get OLEATO. I think I figured out the TO after I had OLEA from crosses, but really. I mean, if you want to put olive oil in your coffee, I wish you'd keep it to yourself.

I had TakE IT easy before TONE IT DOWN, but that was not much of a problem.

As for REPO, I had seen the word used that way before, but of course was thinking of having your car seized when you get behind on your payments. They missed an opportunity to clue it as ____ man, kinda matching Sea ___.

Beezer 11:06 AM  

Very well done and crunchy puzzle! Like @Teedmn, I had a devil of a time in the NE corner due to my commitment to AdobO. Even as I write this, I have no clue if ADOBO is a pepper and pepper knowledge is not my forte.

As for OLEATO…ugh…inferable but I’m a coffee lover that absolutely despises Starbucks coffee’s bitter/burnt tasting quality. I always say that is made for people who dump milk/cream/ and other glop into their coffee…or they have WAY different tastebuds than me if they drink it black. The name OLEATO puts me in the mind of OLESTRA…remember how THAT affected most people?

jae 11:07 AM  

On the tough side of medium for me.

WOEs - MILLET, OLEATO, and COLE.

Costly erasure - trying to fit Cyclops where CALYPSO was supposed to go.

Fun/amusing theme, some fine long downs, liked it.

jberg 11:14 AM  

Wait--Rex do I read this right, that you think you might possibly have gone to Tulsa and not remembered it? I guess maybe, if you were under the influence of something.

I forgot to mention earlier that it took me a long time to get PASSABLE because I interpreted "no-stress class" as being yoga.

jberg 11:16 AM  

And now the review system has been corrupted by establishments that ask you to get in touch with them first if your review will not be five stars.

jberg 11:18 AM  

I think it's an email message; if you put ATTN in the address line, it won't send, so you have to put it someplace else.

jberg 11:28 AM  

I didn't get AGRA either, until reading the comments above, looking at the clue again, and finally noticed that it said "seen in ..." rather than seen on.

I had enough crosses to get CALYPSO, but it's a vague clue, poor Odysseus seemed to get captured every time he turned around. I tried Polyphemus first but he was too big to fit.

Anonymous 11:36 AM  

No way! Repo is reposses(ion) period.

noni 11:39 AM  

It made perfect sense to me. It's a GOOD Friday not a great one.

Anonymous 11:50 AM  

wait me neither, can someone explain this

Anonymous 12:13 PM  

My reaction for many of these answers… *shrug* “sure, I mean, I guess that technically works/is true.” But just slightly askew. Like felt AI generated, so that nothing was full stop wrong, but rarely did they seem right.

Anoa Bob 12:15 PM  

I would give the themers a four-star review but would bump that up to five stars for the puzzle overall . I like a balance between theme and fill and having only 36 black squares in a 16X15 grid leaves lots of room for that to happen. Compare this to a couple of puzzles last week that had 42 black squares in 15X15 grids. The themers dominated and the fill was mostly perfunctory short stuff to glue it all together.

Today the fill includes nice touches like two double-stacked 10 letter Downs in the NW and SE along with a generous sprinkling of a NOURISH here and a CALYPSO there. And can you TWIDDLE your thumbs but not WIGGLE your hands at the same time? Okay, maybe OLEATO wasn't an ASSET but that didn't cause the glow of my solve buzz to DWINDLE at all.

Anonymous 12:20 PM  

Agree, a short-lived, obscure Starbucks drink, that was apparently promoted bc the ceo at the time owned a stake in an olive oil company? Yuck all around.

M and A 12:24 PM  

M&A puz review: 3 TWIDDLEs & a WIGGLE, with a DWINDLE.

Some tough cluin, here & there. fave feisty clue was for YODA.
staff weeject pick: COW. Also had a tough-ish clue [see: {Sea ___}].
Primo weeject stacks, NW & SE.

Also on the feisty side, at our house:
Two no-know-leatos of the nat-tick kind:
1. ANCHO/COLE.
2. BURTON/OLEATO/JDATE.

Thanx for gangin up on us, Mr. Deshong & Hartstein dudes. And congratz to Oren H. on his half-debut.

Masked & Anonymo8Us

... and now for a dwarf star's worth of runtiness ...

"Dis and Dat" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

M&A

Astro 12:54 PM  

1. I think "no-stress" is standing in for "pass/fail" which makes the clue work. I took one or two pass/fail classes back in the day and they caused zero stress.

2. Sorghum (and other oddball grains) become more familiar if you have lived with someone who cannot eat gluten.

jb129 12:56 PM  

Got a late start so I was relieved not to be stuck on anything. This was an enjoyable puzzle from start to finish & I thank you both :)
Hope to see more from you again soon.
Thanks for sharing the ACPT experience with us, Rex & congratulations to all, especially Rex
& Penelope :)

Gene 1:43 PM  

I'm a little surprised at Rex's comments about expecting solving improvement, because my daughter and I competed as a pair at Lollapazoola some years ago, where we didn't win the pairs, but Rex did.

okanaganer 1:50 PM  

For me, the theme is summed up by the last 3 theme answers. Only two Unknown Names today: COLE and OLEATO. However I did try ELO then BTO before BTS, although if it were one of the first two, I might have recognized the album names. Lots of gimme names: ELAINE, UMA, LEE, NIA, BURTON, KEANU, REA.

My Spelling Bee obsession made me notice that all the letters in ARISTOCRAT are also in its western neighbor CON ARTIST. In fact, only the N prevents the latter from being a SB pangram.

Malapop at 13 down where I put in ATTN, then way down at 54 across I put it in again... wait, didn't I already use this?

The mention of Battleship in the clue for 25 across brings to mind when I bought an HP programmable calculator in 1979. I wrote several programs for fun and eventually managed to write a version of Battleship! The user interface was not ideal.

Les S. More 1:55 PM  

My take was very similar to Anons 8:57 and 12:13. I started my notes with "some answers felt flat" and right at the top of the list was 48A WET. Right below it was 65A REPLY. Is that really the opposite of Send? And don't get e started on 20D EARFULS.

burtonkd 2:00 PM  

Hey, I thought I'd never make the puzzle! I used to say Burton as in Levar from Roots, then Levar from Reading Rainbow, or Richard, or Sir Richard. BURTON snowboards generally does the trick now, although director Tim doesn't want to give up his run.

Being married to a classical violinist, I have to wince at TWIDDLE being an "apt" rhyme.

I liked the YODA clue

There should be a xword term for an answer you know that you'll know, but haven't a chance without some crosses. Looking at you today, Senor ANCHO.

I will forever confuse all TIAs and NIAs.

I'm team Rex for OLEATO. I wonder if they serve them in ONEONTA in his neck of the woods.

Les S. More 2:07 PM  

I like your take on GOODNOTGREAT and, as an atheist, it's tastlessness didn't bother me, but I can see the other side. But what I really liked about your comment was "Changing grids is hard, but changing clues is easy". As a non-constructor, that had never occurred to me. Thanks for that.

Anonymous 2:11 PM  

The letters are hidden in “inst-Agra-m”

Jeff F 2:13 PM  

It’s in “Inst-Agra-m”

Les S. More 2:20 PM  

C'mon, @Anoa Bob, you have nothing to say about the dreadful POC added to the otherwise lovely word EARFUL? What's the world coming to?

Les S. More 2:38 PM  

I'm surprised more people didn't take the easy route and give this puzzle a 3 star review. I will. I'll join @Teedmn 10:09, @Carola 10:56, and @M and A 12:24 in applauding the inclusion of fun words: TWIDDLE, DWINDLE, WIGGLE, CALYPSO, and I'll add SWEETIEPIE just because that's what my wife calls whichever of our 3 adult boys she is presently addressing. I always find that kind of goofy.

40A WET, as clued was dumb and 26D ILOSE appears far too often in the puzzle. Who actually says that? Id be more inclined to utter, "Aw, s**t, not again!"

Themers were JUSTOK but the long downs were mostly good.

okanaganer 2:54 PM  

@Les S. More, just wanted to say I enjoyed your Smokey Robinson stories posted yesterday, which I didn't see until late in the evening. And also wanted to ask if your newspaper was the Sun or the Province?

Aidan Deshong 3:17 PM  

I have a Thursday out in a couple weeks, so I'll let Andrew keep his title...

Sharoak 3:34 PM  

Agree with Lewis and others who found it fun. Especially enjoyed the long words like twiddle.
And I learned something from the blog comments. Somehow it had never occurred to me that Good Friday was the traditional anniversary of Christ being crucified. I was raised in a church that taught often about the crucifixion and resurrection and that Christ died to save mankind. But Lent and Good Friday were just something Catholics observed.
So I had no problem finding "good not great" to be amusing.

ChrisS 3:48 PM  

Very obscure. I used to work for company that had a decent sized portfolio of reverse-repos (the country-party to a repo) and I hesitated about entering that answer until forced by crosses. This is a huge financial market (about $4 trrillion in daily trading) that almost nobody has heard of.

Les S. More 4:20 PM  

@okanagener. Glad you enjoyed the story. As for my illustrious newspaper career, I started as an airbrush artist on the night shift at The Sun in the late 70s or early 80s - I actually can't remember the year! They soon had me constructing maps and graphs with tech pens, graphic arts tape and transfer lettering (Letraset). I did this for 2 nights a week until sometime in 1985 (can't be more specific than that, sorry) I brought in my Fat Mac (second edition of the Macintosh, 128kb, wow!) and showed the Graphics editor that I could use it to produce a weather map in 20 minutes instead the usual hour or hour and a half. He dismissed it as a "toy". I decide I had better things to do and applied to graduate school and was accepted at U of Calgary.

Returned with an almost useless MFA to Vancouver in late '87 and resumed my part-time position in "the pit" surrounded by, you guessed it, multiple Macs. F**k you, old school editor, and the horse you rode in on. Then they gave me a full-time position with a dental plan for my kids. (I turned down a short term teaching contract a a college for that plan) It was an exciting time in my field with the introduction of programs like Illustrator, Photoshop, and PageMaker. Lotta fun, especially when the U.S. started bombing Iraq. Lots of full page graphics of American jets destroying maps of that country. 20 hour shifts were not uncommon. Dined on pizza and slept on the floor in the conference room. Very exciting.

Round about the mid-aughts, after the paper had been bought and sold a few times and had ended up in the hands of a group of penny-pinchers, I started looking for a way out. They were treating everyone as if they had no special talents; we were just "work units" on a spreadsheet. Very dehumanizing. I took a buy-out around 2008, in the middle of building a million dollar house (an award winner, but geez, what was I thinking; we were entering a recession!).

Anyway, it was interesting for a while and I left as an Assistant Design Editor, which sounds better than "graphics grunt". So there's that.

Probably more than you wanted to know. Sorry for that. Too much free time today.

BTW, I always enjoy reading your comments. Can't have too much Penticton in your life.

dash riprock 4:39 PM  

[YESTERDAY, TUES (played Mon evening, short the 10 min all y'day to comment):]

Barb.. may I address you as Barb? Ok. Babs. When I saw Barbara Lin at the start gate, well, Riprock lit up with anticipation. I've been talking up your CUT ME SOME SLACKS! (2024-10-22) no end since publication, it was clever, witty, it hit all the right notes on the day and remains a favorite (_the_ favorite?) of any game. The planet's foremost game critic included it as a year-end Tues best and it's one of a smattering which has stuck with me.

So the bar was high, set by you. And, while we gamers often engage with Pintos.. R. Dangerfields, you delivered, let's say, a Colbert, a Lexus, a fine game. But from you I was expecting Carlin or Robin Williams.. more car. Perhaps unfairly. Sure you didn't hold back. So, the witty, the humor, given all the limitations of a tiny symmetrical field, more demanding than any non-fashioner could imagine. Whadoiknoa, blah blah blabbing, pickin my nose.

The game, fine, but I'm looking for the worthy sequel, even if some or all of the midget nonsense must be sacrificed.

The effort today, the Wednes.. I've already forgotten it. Nothing fist-shaking, maybe? So, there's that. As y'day, took midway between best and avg times, which is to say, much more than it should have given the practice.

The Rex: Your glee y'day, palpable, the chronicle of the fraternizing high, infectious. The addition today was more what I was after, thank you for that. So my speculation of the ungainly, then, accurate. Two games at a go, so you could jump separately, then switcheroo, but your strategy is to vie on top of each other, and talk.. this doubles play would have made for much better telly than the singles, what were they thinking ? So you're to right, chin atop her shoulder.. or perhaps the sheet is swiveled to plus fro. "...she worked from the NW down, I worked from the SE up" Hahaha. Madness.

Also, cash money, ye mentioned. How much? Plus more Qs.. which I cannae think of just now. Fab account. More of this, in general. Huzzah!

- Riprock

JJK 4:41 PM  

I’ve been having a lot of trouble with my NYT games app, apparently because my ipad is too old to process any more updates. So some cyber imp appears to be punishing me by showing me half-filled in puzzles when I open them to start solving. So bizarre. Anyone else have this problem?

Eventually I managed to do this one, but had to clear the puzzle first. Anyway, I found it harder than the usual Wednesday, mostly because the clues seemed really odd and opaque. Probably my brain having an off day.

Never heard of OLEATO and it sounds disgusting. Glad they discontinued it.

Anonymous 5:05 PM  

ncmathsadist
FWIW Rea & oleato cross
Rea is a no brainer for long time solvers. It was once very common crosswordese. But appears much less frequently now. That is why Rex made no criticism of Rea while talking about oleato.
Rea is still fairly well known

Anoa Bob 5:15 PM  

Yeah @Les, I thought I might get a few EARFULS about that!

CDilly52 5:18 PM  

As a 40 year (now former) resident of OK, I have to comment on the “review” of one of the cities in which I lived. Tulsa is where I spent a decade in high pressure, large firm private practice before returning to Norman, my dear husband’s home town.

Anyway, until the last few years, the state of Oklahoma insulted itself in the same manner as 51A! The license plates stated “Oklahoma is OK.” And we resident Okies constantly made fun of the slogan. Not great, not even good, just OK.

For 9 years, I served on the Board of Visit Norman, the city’s official destination marketing organization. I would like to think that we helped get rid of that horribly pejorative slogan. We certainly complained enough to the Governors and Lt. Governors during my tenure.

Tulsa is actually a crown jewel in Oklahoma. It’s in the gorgeous NE where the hills and lush landscapes explode in the spring. The hills in bloom with redbud and dogwood trees are breathtaking.

Sure, there’s the horrific history of racism that still marks Greenwood, but its renaissance now has that vibrant part of the city often called the Harlem of the West. Tulsa is not merely OK, it’s a special place full of history, beauty and really friendly folks. It’s worth a bisit any time you’re crossing Oklahoma on I-40, pretty much the only way to get across the center of the US. Historic Rt 66 also passes through the state. Enough said. All right, more than enough.

This puzzle was 100% fun! Our young constructors hit a bases loaded home run in the bottom of the ninth trailing by three! 4 RBIs and the win!!

Fun clues everywhere! The volcano clue and its DRY ICE answer demonstrated the youth of our able constructors.

Way back when, the inevitable science fair volcano or often volcanoes were “powered” with baking soda and vinegar. And what a mess they made - especially when a student included food coloring that made cleanup more difficult. Crestview Jr High would undoubtedly still have a telltale red stain on the gym floor from Greg B’s over-charged volcanic mess in 1960. Alas, the ancient school was torn down. DRY ICE is so much easier and tidier.

My favorite of the day was the head scratcher at first. Sage-colored sage would have been tougher had I not already had most of the acrosses through there, but what a great clue!

Pure fun with some clever crunch and a well executed theme. That’s just the thing for a Wednesday. Congrats on your debut, Mr. Hartstein. I look forward to more from both you and Mr. Deshong, separately or in collaboration. Thanks for an enjoyable solve!

dgd 5:19 PM  

Beezer
I totally with your opinion about Starbucks
I drink coffee black no sugar so all I taste is the burn in a bad way!

dgf 5:34 PM  

I have had my longest streak of dnf ever I think. Again today On line address crossing RE_O Just couldn’t think of repo in a context other than repossession. And I got confused about those online string of letters at the beginning. So a trap for me.
I did need every cross for oleato.
Don’t go into a Starbucks unless I ‘m traveling.
Good puzzle overall.

Anonymous 5:52 PM  

BTS, again

Anonymous 6:13 PM  

Never heard of OLEATO or JDATE. Seems from reading that OLEATO is a very niche entry (thought it might be just me).

Anonymous 6:44 PM  

I found this clue a refreshingly different way to clue "Agra."

okanaganer 6:55 PM  

@Les: ah Letraset! I spent many hours applying it at architecture school and the first couple of years after graduating. Then, as you say, computers came along and changed everything. (BTW: you got a MFA in '87; I got a MArch in '87! Small world.)

Coincidentally, back in high school my career plan was to work at a newspaper. The very first work for which I was paid actual money was as a weekly editorial cartoonist at our daily paper in Kamloops. I was only 16!

Hugh 9:19 PM  

While it might be fun to write this one up as "meh" or PASSABLE or JUSTOK or GOODNOTGREAT - that's not happening! I really enjoyed this! As @Rex said, great long downs and I really liked the theme and themers, despite the few inconsistencies that @Rex pointed out.
Some of the usual short fill that is slightly annoying returned (welcome back UMA, it's been like what, 48 hours??) but, as usual, this did not bother me or take away any of the fun.
I only know REPO as repossessing your car, so that, along with the rest of the NE was a bit of a slog for me. I could not get my brain to click on HTTP or OHSO and I totally blanked on ANCHO. Had ATTN up there instead of HTTP as I thought maybe part of an address on an envelope (??) until it showed up way down in the SW. Then thought maybe ETTU - did Caesar's address start with that??. So my mind was going in 10 different, very wrong directions. I don't even remember how it all came into place but it finally did.
Other than that, I had a good time figuring out all the themers and found nothing to complain about - a good, solid Wednesday.
P.S. Please don't make fun of Binghamton, NY - I spent my undergrad days there (where @Rex teaches) and I hold that time very dear. Though admittedly there is a LOT to make fun of...

Les S. More 9:23 PM  

Ooh, should i look those up? Care to tell me how you signed them?

Les S. More 9:31 PM  

Dogwoods are native here, but i don't think we have enough redbuds.Lovely trees.

okanaganer 10:20 PM  

@Les, the paper (Kamloops Sentinel) went defunct 40 years ago so I don't know how one could look things up. If you send a note to the email on my profile I can send a sample.

Anonymous 10:26 PM  

REPLY is not the opposite of Forward, it’s an alternative. Another alternative would be REPLYALL. That corner was the last empty letter for me. I did get thrown off by thinking Shipshape was TRIM

Unknown 1:39 AM  

Chiming in at the end of the day here. I'm retired after a long career as a minister, and I loved "Good not great" Friday. Over and over and over I was asked "Why is it called Good Friday?" And now, too late, I have the perfect reply: "Well it was good, but not great."

Anonymous 3:25 PM  

Had coffee in Italy numerous times and never saw olive oil offered, take it black and rather enjoy bitterness, tho not burnt. A Smithsonian article is alarming for one who could not survive without " vitamin C". Climate change, blight, tariffs, etc. have made research into hybrids URGENT. Now research grants are being "ground" up and the problem is left to percolate.

Gary Jugert 9:45 AM  

Te estás poniendo demasiado emocionada.

Well, I get it, we're trying to be funny. I give 'em partial credit for effort. TWIDDLE is your sign you're not a comedian unless you can squeeze in DWINDLE nearby.

If sorghum is in your second clue, you need to sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Oleato went right in, but then I am a Starbucks fan. I love calling Yoda a sage colored sage.

People: 10 {grr}
Places: 1
Products: 4
Partials: 7
Foreignisms: 2
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 24 of 81 (30%)

Funnyisms: 6 😅

Uniclues:

1 Pen occupant pens plan.
2 Transportation choice of New York thumb rollers.
3 Simpson doused with burning oil races toward lake.
4 AOL.
5 Foot fetishist thoughts while trying to get some work done.
6 Hooters uniforms.
7 When you swiped right and met a yenta.

1 COW AUTHORS IDEA (~)
2 TWIDDLE BUS EAST
3 ONEWAY WET BART
4 IT'S JUST OK ISP (~)
5 TONE IT DOWN TOES
6 SWEETIE PIE TOPS
7 JDATE EARFULS (~)

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Quote from a Pompeiian. LAVA! OH OH I'M OUT.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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