The forest, in a metaphor / SAT 1-25-25 / ___ Mountains, Kyrgyz/Tajik border range / nage (cooked in a broth) / Sublimation products / Foe in a 1932 Australian "war"/ Funding source for the Great Wall of China / Coward of the theater world / Old atlas inits. / Aeschylus trilogy of tragedies

Saturday, January 25, 2025

Constructor: Michael Lieberman

Relative difficulty: Medium 


THEME: none 

Word of the Day: GESTALT (10D: The forest, in a metaphor) —
: something that is made of many parts and yet is somehow more than or different from the combination of its parts
When he gets rolling, you're not responding to single jokes—it's the whole gestalt of the movie that's funny.Pauline Kael
broadly  : the general quality or character of something 
When new employees are recruited fresh out of college and can look forward to working for the same company for 40 years, it changes the gestalt of management. Brenton R. Schlender
… the Old Hollywood gestalt, where daughters adored and romanticized their charismatic, powerful, often unavailable fathers. Nora Johnson

"not see the forest for the trees" (idiom): to not understand or appreciate a larger situation, problem, etc., because one is considering only a few parts of it (merriam-webster.com)

• • •

[MYRNA Loy (3D: Loy of filmdom), seen here with Crosswordese Hall-of-Famer ASTA]

GESTALT? LOL, what? What a bizarre way to clue that. The idea of not being able to see the forest for the trees, that's very familiar. I know that expression from many places, most notably the song "Different Drum" by the Stone Poneys (featuring Linda Ronstadt on vocals):


But GESTALT. I think I last heard that term in a Woody Allen movie circa the late-'70s. Diane Keaton probably says it in Manhattan. I'm aware that the word exists, but I would never use it, nor would anyone I know (apparently). And I know what it means ... or I thought I did. Anyway, I would never have put one of these things (the "forest" idiom) anywhere near the other (GESTALT). The clue was very confusing, since it says "in a metaphor," so I thought the answer would be the thing from the metaphor, but it was the forest that was the metaphor. "Clunky" and "awkward" don't even begin to get at what I think about that clue. I left the GESTALT / ASST cross blank until the very end because I just couldn't commit to GESTALT. Unpleasant. The rest of the grid was varied. Highly varied, both in terms of quality and in terms of difficulty, though the only part I found legitimately difficult was the SW—namely, that bank of answers (SHARIA, TAMED, RIPTIDES) that could have provided (but in my case, failed to provide) a toehold on all those long Downs. I don't know how many things I tried before SHARIA. A lot. The worst mistake I made, though, was a pure crossword brain glitch: I wrote in EBB TIDES and not RIP TIDES. The idea of the "ebb" tide lives very close to the front of my brain thanks to my having seen it seemingly thousands of times over the years in crosswords. Rip is a tide I see rarely. And so ... pffft. Worse, the "E" from EBB TIDES made me start (as opposed to finish) 30D: Consumed with grief? with ATE (actual answer: STRESS-ATE). ATE ... something? No. No no no. But if crossword brain got me into that fix, crossword brain got me out. I somehow knew ALAI cold (52A: ___ Mountains, Kyrgyz/Tajik border range). Just ... knew it. In that way where you're like "I know this ... how do I know this? Is this right?" and then it is. The amount I could tell you about the ALAI Mountains ... well, it's not TONS, let's put it that way. Rest of the puzzle ran on the easy side of Medium, but SW def knocked me around.


Things started off fast with this one. This was my opening gambit:


I wrote it in thinking, "If this is wrong, I don't want to be right." And then SIA confirmed it (6D: "Cheap Thrills" pop star) and I felt amazing! Good answer at 1A, and I got it right off the bat. Here we go! But then came GESTALT (oof) and then I got shut out of the SW (see above) and so all that whoosh feeling I had at the outset quickly settled back to a kind of plodding feeling (fairly normal for Saturdays). The fill in this one is not particularly good, so it gets all its interest / pleasure from the cluing, which seemed to be striving for trickiness at every turn. Lots of wrong initial answers today. Aside from the ones I've already covered, I had "I GET IT NOW" before "I SEE IT NOW" (13D: "Oh-h-h-h, that makes sense"); I wanted (ID EST did not want, but thought it might be) SPERMS before SPORES (41D: Reproductive cells); I threw down DIEHARD with confidence, but 38D: Ardent supporter ended up being DEVOTEE; oh, and THROES before THRALL (7D: Clutches); oh, oh, and CLOG before SPOT (41A: Jam); oh oh oh, and CANAL before CANOE (I didn't actually write that one in, just thought it) (36A: Sight in Monet's "Boating on the River Epte") (how has EPTE never been in the grid?) (LOL spoke to soon—it has, once, on Aug. 19, 1975: [Seine tributary]).


Explainers (deep breath, here we go...):
  • 16A: Strike one! (POSE) — "!" clues oddly function as commands. Like [Hit it!] could be a clue for DRUM (or PAYDIRT, I suppose). Any "Strike one!" has nothing to do with baseball here. The answer is a thing you (might) strike, i.e. a POSE.
  • 21A: Coward of the theater world (NOEL) — one of those clues where they try to hide a name that is also a regular word by putting it at the front of the clue (where *all* words are capitalized, not just names). But NOEL Coward is so famous (to me) that the trick didn't work at all. 
  • 23A: Funding source for the Great Wall of China (SALT TAX) — if you say so! I just inferred this one from crosses. All I know about the Great Wall is that they went there on Love Boat once (not on the actual boat, mind you—it's a magical boat, but not that magical)
  • 28A: Felt in the Christmas spirit? (ELF HATS) — which are made of "felt," I guess. I had the ELF early, so this was easy enough.
  • 32D: S&P part (AMPERSAND) — ha ha, brutal. Self-referential clue. There's the "S" and the "P" and in between ... the AMPERSAND ("&").
  • 35A: One working on a column? (CPA) — a column in a ledger book, or a column of numbers, or whatever. A CPA is a Certified Public Accountant, of course.
  • 41A: Jam (SPOT) — in the sense of "in a jam" (i.e. "a sticky situation"), i.e. a SPOT.
  • 48A: It's fit for a king (SASH) — so, a king ... sized bed. I don't really know what these are. Dictionaries are weirdly unhelpful. A SASH seems to be a decorative blanket or "bed scarf" that you drape across the bed (????). Here:
[I’m being told this SASH is the thing a ruler or a prom “king” might wear across his body. I’m so used to puns in xword clues that I just assumed a bed was involved]
  • 51A: Some photomontage art (DADA) — yeesh. I guess this is in fact true. Still, very hard. That little GIG / DADA / ZADIE / GASES area, strangely hard for me (I know ZADIE Smith, but not that title) (45D: ___ Smith, "The Autograph Man" novelist)
  • 5D: Foe in a 1932 Australian "war" (EMU) — I learned about the EMU War (awful) from crosswords. Do crosswords long enough, you'll learn all sorts of things about EMU.
  • 14D: They support many student movements (P.E. CLASSES) — true enough on a literal level, I guess. Tortured misdirection, but yes, literally, students do move in P.E. 
  • 47D: Sublimation products (GASES) — "Sublimation is the transition of a substance directly from the solid to the gas state, without passing through the liquid state." (wikipedia). I was really thinking Freud here.
  • 24D: ___ nage (cooked in a broth) (À LA) — educated guess. "À LA nage" means "in the swim" (not, as my rusty French originally translated it, "in the snow") (that's "neige").
  • 31D: Where locks are picked? (HAIR SALON) — obviously the "locks" here are locks of hair. This would've been easier if it hadn't run straight through that SHARIA / TAMED / RIPTIDES section I spoke of earlier. There's a lot of really great HAIR SALON scenes in the new Mike Leigh movie, Hard Truths, which I saw just yesterday. Recommended, if you have a very high endurance for watching a miserable human being just be miserable, hyperbolically and virtually non-stop, for 90 minutes (it helps that Marianne Jean-Baptiste is very good and occasionally hilarious)
  • 39D: Place whose name has an appropriate final vowel sound (SPA) — because you (conventionally) say "Ahhhh" there (or "Aaaaaaah"—I forget which one is the sigh and which the scream). 
See you next time.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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123 comments:

Conrad 6:02 AM  


The North was Easy, the South Medium-Challenging. Overall Medium.

Overwrites:
7D: @Rex THRoes before THRALL (thinking "in the throes of a dilemma)
9D: Thought it was ORESTEA or ORESTIA; turns out it was both, ORESTEIA.
10D: What @Rex said about GESTALT
33D: VPS before VcS (Venture Capitalists or Vice Chairs) before VPS
46D: to wiT before ID EST
59A: arm SOCKETS(?) before EYE

WOEs:
I thought it was NOVOCAIN, not NOVOCAINE (12D), but apparently both are acceptable
I don't know much about art, so I don't know how DADA (51D) relates to the clue

Rick Sacra 6:05 AM  

Okay, I loved this puzzle. It was doable for a Saturday, which always feels great to me. EXCEPT--I don't know Coward's first name. And I didn't know how to spell NOVOCAINE... I tried NOViCAINE and NOVaCAINE but didn't even consider the O. Looks fine now that I look at it. And I'm a doctor, I should know, right? Anyway--apparently the official brand name didn't have an E on the end so I feel somewhat vindicated. Great puzzle, doable even for an amateur like me... thanks, Michael! : )

Rich Glauber 6:06 AM  

Great crunchy puzzle with so much misdirection. I got everything minus Zadie and Gases which I couldn't suss out... that definition of sublimation was new to me. But an enjoyable workout and a quality puzzle.... Loved it

Stuart 6:11 AM  

I, too, started fast with ARMRESTHOG, confirmed immediately by MYRNA. But working my way down the left side got me stymied in the SW. Brutal!

After finishing 95% of the rest, I gave up (a rarity). Then I checked a map of Asia for the mountain range. It was labeled the ALAY Mountains. That left me even more stumped. (What the ___?) But I guess the transliteration into ALAI is legitimate. (I read Cyrillic.)

Michael M 6:21 AM  

Funny, GESTALT came to me immediately once I had the G from ARMRESTHOG, thought it was a really good clue! Conversely, I still don't understand the clue for NOVOCAINE, even though I know the term.

Anonymous 6:22 AM  

I believe the sash is fit to an acutal royal ruler, to display his medals. Can someone explain Namely=Idest?

David Fabish 6:26 AM  

@Rex I interpreted 48A as a (for example) Prom King, who receives a sash designating him as such.

Anonymous 6:48 AM  

I thought it was a SASH as in something a Prom King would wear ( though maybe only Prom Queens wear them?)

Anonymous 6:50 AM  

Isn’t SASH referring to the wide diagonal cross body ribbon that kings sometimes wear, commonly also seen on prom kings?

Wanderlust 6:59 AM  

I couldn’t get GESTALT because I was looking at a bunch of letters and not seeing what word they made. Ha. Actually, I was glad to get GESTALT because the G got me to see ARMREST HOG, which unlocked the whole NW.

Speaking of NW, if that or White Teeth or On Beauty had been the clue for ZADIE, I would have gotten it sooner but I’d never heard of The Autograph Man. The SE was by far the hardest section for me even after getting TOUR GUIDES, ENTERPRISE and EYE SOCKETS. Besides the ZADIE problem ( I was thinking edDIE or auDIE), I didn’t know what ID EST means or sublimation in the sense of GASES. Brutal.

But I liked it as a good Saturday challenge with so many standout clues. (Maybe my favorite was “It passes through many Swiss banks” for RHONE.) One that I didn’t quite get was “Number at a filling station” for NOVOCAINE. I get the dentist part, but why “number”? I liked the STRESS ATE clue, but “Consumed with anxiety” seems better than “Consumed with grief.”

Rex, I think the SASH fit for a king refers to an actual king, not a bed. They wear sashes bestrewn with medals on formal occasions. The rare case in this puzzle where we weren’t being misdirected.

Andy Freude 7:15 AM  

Number = that which numbs. I don’t know how long I stared at that one.

Bob Mills 7:19 AM  

Like Rex, I had "throes" before THRALL, so it took me longer than it should have for an easier Saturday than normal. I also had "shiite" instead of SHARIA (should have known better). The misdirect for NOVOCAINE was terrific, even if "number" isn't a real word as clued. Finished both Friday's and Saturday's without cheating once, a first for this old guy.

Son Volt 7:21 AM  

Wonderfully quirky Stumper-like puzzle. Misdirects everywhere - the big guy highlights most of them. I liked NOVOCAINE and MORTUARIES.

CEREMONY

The sublimation reference is fantastic as is The ORESTEIA. Learned SALT TAX and ZADIE - although I had ZaG first. I’m always underwhelmed with the self-reference clues once I slap myself on the forehead.

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Highly enjoyable - frigid Saturday morning solve. Kate Chin Park offers a handsome Stumper grid full of crunchy longs today - really nice.

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Jacke 7:37 AM  

Samesies on both counts. I guess Novocaine "does a number" on one?

Anonymous 7:52 AM  

How is "Cheap Thrills" Pop Star not Janis Joplin?? :-(

Druid 7:53 AM  

It is.

Smith 7:55 AM  

It's the comparative of the adjective "numb" - numb and number

REV 7:55 AM  

Highly enjoyable puzzle for me. Speaking of enjoyment - I’d love a Rex write-up on The Love Boat. What inspired you to start watching it? Do you watch it in irony or for sincere enjoyment? I assume a mix. Which is your favorite season?

Smith 7:58 AM  

"ID EST" is Latin: in English we usually abbreviate it "i.e." = namely or literally, "that is"

Smith 8:10 AM  

Wow, super easy for a Saturday. ARMRESTHOG right off the bat, confirmed by RHONE and MYRNA. THRoes held things up for a hot sec but ASST showed me the error and incidentally illuminated GESTALT.
Hey, 12D, we've got your "number"! Comparatively speaking...
The one thing that held me up and (was the final square) was the last letter of OMO_ crossing what I had wanted to be SPeRMs? which was *weird* and proved wrong by ENTERPRISE, leaving SP_RES so it was clearly a vowel and A and E and I didn't seem to make sense so I tried O and boom, done. Crazy that I could *not* see SPORES until that O was in place.
Happy Saturday 😊

Lewis 8:11 AM  

Oh, there were glimmers of beauty in the box (THRALL, X FACTOR, GESTALT, STREWS), and many thorny areas to happify the brain, but to me, the star was the cluing, rife as it was with wordplay.

OMG, I marked 15 wordplay clues that sparked joy when the answer pinged. Fifteen! Usually there are less than you can count on one hand. Such clues hit my happy button, and today I felt like a kid in a playground.

Freshness abounded in the cluing. Even that fabulous clue for NOVOCAINE, where yes, “number” has been used before to describe it, Michael took it one step farther with the “filling station” angle. Chef’s kiss!

I like the grid design – one never used before in a Times puzzle -- with 16 longs (answers of eight letters or more), bringing the fun and thrill of getting long answers with as few crosses as possible.

I love ARMREST HOG, a true debut answer, never having appeared in any of Crosslandia’s major venues. I don’t remember hearing this term before, but it’s perfect and now firmly ensconced in my lexicon.

Michael, you satisfied my brain’s work ethic and entertained me to no end today. Thank you for a stellar outing!

Anonymous 8:15 AM  

"Number" as in something that makes you numb.

pabloinnh 8:18 AM  

There were so many possibilities for an "undesirable airplane seatmate" that I wen t elsewhere. Started in the NE with SPAN and AVEC and NOEL, went to the SW where TONS and ENDS led to other things, and eventually finished in the NW. GESTALT actually made sense to me as clued, but that's just me.

Today's names were both familiar and helpful and that's different. I found out about the SALTTAX and what the trilogy's title is and how to spell it. Hadn't thought about SHARIA since various red states were worried about Muslims imposing SHARIA law on all of us. Hope they're ready for a monarchy.

Today's long-lost friend has to be OMOO. Where have you been? Welcome back.

Very nice work, ML. I Mostly Loved all of this one, and thanks for all the fun.

Barbara S. 8:23 AM  

I liked this and solved it pretty efficiently, except it turns out I didn’t know how to spell THRALL, which I rendered as THRAwL. I also had mArried rather than SAID I DO for [Joined a union], which left me with the mAwTTAX funding the Great Wall. I got rid of mArried fairly quickly but THRAwL lingered on – the SAwTTAX wasn’t a great improvement. I solved – or, nearly solved – the puzzle last night and I actually had to sleep on this problem before my morning brain fixed it in a jiffy and wondered how I could have been so dumb last night.

I had the GEST part of GESTALT and was puzzled for a while. At first the only ending I could think of was “ure” but GESTure made no sense in the context of a forest metaphor. TAX and ELF finally gave me the correct word. I went through urAl and ArAl before finally hitting on ALAI (which I guess I wish they’d clued using the standard Jai).

Photomontage is a ho-hum concept to us now but it’s fair to say the DADAists invented it. Here’s Hannah Höch, 1919.

Scroll down for King Charles in a SASH.

Voilà Monet’s CANOE on the River Epte. And the Japanese print that was one of the influences on its composition.

egsforbreakfast 8:23 AM  

I'm just hopping that @Gary Jugert got his prized PEC noticed by some of those PECLASSES that hang around the gym.

If, per 41A, Jam = SPOT, should Thursday's answer, by the transitive property of crosswordition, have been SEE JAM RUN?

I toyed briefly with OVERage for 43A (In the 80s or 90s, say), and it got me thinking that "Over Par" could be a great, folksy way of talking about one's age..... "I'm a little over par and I don't see many birdies coming on the back nine."

I knew a guy who was from far up in the mountains on the Kyrgyzstan/Tajik border, a sparsely populated area known as the Jai ALAI.

I'm off to Mexico with Mrs. Egs this morning. Don't know what the interwebs situation will be, so you all may get a week-long break from me. BTW, I loved this puzzle as much as I can love a themeless. The cluing was adorably gnarly. Thank you so much, Michael Lieberman.

kitshef 8:36 AM  

My big error today was popping in ‘married’ instead of SAID IDO, giving me a ‘malt tax’ rather than a SALT TAX. Then later went with ‘mated to’.

Eventually – and it did take a while – EREADER and OVER PAR came in and all was well.

I so much prefer a puzzle where the difficulty is in the clues, rather than the names.

Wanderlust 8:36 AM  

I SEE IT NOW. What an idiot I am.

SouthsideJohnny 8:48 AM  

It was nice to wander around and cobble together things like SALTTAX and ELF HATS. I always struggle with answers like AW MAN, which could mean, well basically anything you want it to. The term STRESS ATE was new to me - it doesn’t sound like a whole lot of fun. Hopefully it’s more like grabbing a quick lunch during a busy afternoon rather than referring to someone who is having a really bad day.

My downfall today though was that little corner in the SE - I really wish they would go back to putting abbreviations in clues for answers like UPC (come on Will, throw us a bone here). DIRK as a weapon is something I would not have stumbled upon even with 100+ guesses and it’s crossed with DADA (which means nothing to me) and next to ZADIE and IDEST (ditto). I do know what chemical sublimation is (think mothballs), however it was too little, too late as I had already crossed the event horizon and was being spaghettified in the NYT Saturday black hole.

Dr.A 8:48 AM  

For me it was the NW corner, so many proper nouns. I had to eventually look up MYRNA Loy and ANNE Bradstreet. After that I was ok but still a toughie overall for me.

Liveprof 9:04 AM  

Did someone say SEXTANT was in yesterday's puzzle?

Some time ago I called up a law office and said, I'm looking for Arnie Sexauer: does he work there? The receptionist asked me to repeat the name. I said Arnold Sexauer. She apologized and said the connection must be poor, she's having trouble hearing me, could I repeat it one more time. I said, sure, Arnie Sexauer. I still can't hear you, she said. So I pretty much screamed into the phone -- Sexauer, Sexauer -- do you have a Sexauer there? And she said, Are you kidding me -- we don't even get a coffee break.

Anonymous 9:05 AM  

If this is medium, I really don't want to see hard.

Anonymous 9:10 AM  

I might be too early, but so far this is the first puzzle with Sia in it where nobody has complained about not knowing who Sia is (despite her being in the puzzle seemingly monthly).

Liveprof 9:18 AM  

Sorry I'm late. On Thursday there was an ICE CAVE in the puzzle that was clued as a "geologic formation." It reminded me of the wonderful (and very funny) folksinger Tom Rush who is getting up in years now. He is from New Hampshire where their granite "Old Man of the Mountain" was famous until it collapsed some time ago. Tom Rush observed: You know you're old when you've outlived geologic formations.

Beezer 9:27 AM  

Stress can affect some people in a way that causes them to turn to food for comfort, like, “I was so stressed I ate an entire box of cookies.” For others, stress can take your appetite away.

Visho 9:27 AM  

Got worried this was going to be a repeat of yesterday's too easy puzzle when I plunked in ARMREST HOG which MYRNA, EMU, and GESTALT confirmed. So filled in the northwest lickety split, but then, thank goodness, things toughened up. Loved the devious cluing, though as a sometime cryptic solver, "number" didn't trip me up. Thoroughly enjoyed the challenge. Thank you, Michael.

RooMonster 9:32 AM  

Hey All !
Nigh impossible here without running to good ole Google. I looked up four or five things, and still finished with errors! Yeesh.

Haven't heard of a DIRK as a weapon. Maybe I'll use it in my next book. Har.

The Return of OMOO! Finally! Actually never read that book, but the name is cool! Used to appear more frequently. I don't think it even made an appearance in the NYTXW last year. @Lewis, would you know? (I once made a puz using only O's as vowels, no other vowels, and had OMOO in it. A rudimentary puz made for myself for fun. It had Tons of Blockers, and some wonky words!)

Nice grid design. Many PPP clues that were unknowns here. 50 minutes, with cheats, and a DNF. Deflation in progress. Har.

Happy Saturday!

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RooMonster
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Dylan 9:33 AM  

Not a CANOE

Rug Crazy 9:39 AM  

I write EBB as well. Loved the NOVOCAINE CLUE

Anonymous 9:40 AM  

THANK YOU!!! I was looking for this comment.

jberg 9:41 AM  

This was tough. I did finish, but those workers on columns crossing the ORESTEIA -- I really wanted a final D there, not sure why--took me until the very end. I finally saw CPA (lame), and I was done.

We got a new kealoa, since the RHiNE also passes through many Swiss banks. The puzzle also featured one of my favorite clues of all time, "Number at filling stations?" (although lidOCAINE would be more accurate these days) and one of the worst, "Place whose name has an appropriate final vowel sound." I almost wretched.

ARMREST HOG is fine; I almost wrote in crabby baby, but I douldn't verify it. And the clue for 5-D could only be answered by applying the rule, "3-letter word from Australian = EMU" (unless it says 'for short,' in which case it's ROO.)

HAIR SALON seemed redundantly wordy -- it's just a salon. But OK.

Which left me pondering how NOEL Coward might react to being clued by a disparaging pun on his surname. I concluded that he'd be happy at the acknowledgement of his undying fame.

Joe Pop 9:42 AM  

Agreed!

Smith 9:42 AM  

@liveprof

Both your comments had me laughing until the tears came!!

Blue Stater 9:43 AM  

Dear. God.

Smith 9:44 AM  

@ southside et al.

Zadie Smith's most recent book, The Fraud, is great fun. Meant to put that in my original comment.

Greg in Sanibel 9:47 AM  

Wanted CHATTERBOX before ARMRESTHOG, then thought “7 letters starting with X, hmm, probably not,” then *boom* XFACTOR several rows down. Quite a solve, 6 minutes over my Saturday average though Thursday and Friday we’re both 7 minutes under.

Beezer 9:50 AM  

Yikes, yesterday I suggested that Rex got up on the wrong side of the bed, and today I think I did, because I started cheating with wild abandon early on to get the puzzle done. I loved some of the answers like NOVOCAINE and I feel sure my problem today was impatience and not the fault of the constructor. I applaud the people who immediately put in ARMRESTHOG, because, like Pabloinnh, to me, the possibilities were endless, and I first thought of “manspreader” which didn’t fit. These days airline seats are smaller and many people much bigger, so I can imagine some people being unintentional ARMRESTHOGS.

EasyEd 9:52 AM  

Fantastic cluing! All kinds of misdirects and vocabulary tests with very few specific name tests. For some reason, ARMRESTHOG came quickly, then disorientation set in and the puzzle became a peck and hunt challenge. I’ll never know how long I actually took because I left the timer running while I made some coffee for my wife.

Dan A 9:56 AM  

Wonderful Saturday solve :-)

jberg 9:56 AM  

Barbara S., thanks for all those links! Now, having seen what the Monet looks like, I have to point out that the boat in question is NOT a CANOE. It is a rowboat with pointy ends -- not that the woman rowing it is facing the stern, as one would. Good painting, though!

Joe Pop 10:00 AM  

Agreed!

jberg 10:06 AM  

I'm surprised that so many were stumped by "number." Whenever my dentist is going to do something painful, he always says, "first I am going to numb you a bit..."

I guess it's my age -- it's just hard to imagine Rex being around a university campus and not hearing people talk about GESTALT, especially in terms of psychology. I know, wheelhouses, but sometimes I get surprised. For me, that's exactly what the forest stands for metaphorically, the gestalt.

As for SHARIA, I didn't know either, but what else can it be? Maybe ISLAM, but that's in the clue--and it's plausible, since SHARIA is a body of laws, the way to live, one might say. People get too hung up on not knowing something -- 90% of the time, you don't need to! (See my earlier comment on the EMU war.)

Joe Palmer 10:10 AM  

NEA is not the largest union by far

Anonymous 10:11 AM  

Looking for funding source for the Great Wall and already had
S__ __ T TAX.
Thought, my God, how did they audit that?

Joe Palmer 10:11 AM  

NEA not the biggest union by far

Nancy 10:15 AM  

What a wonderful tussle! This puzzle epitomizes why I'm so glad I never time myself: I was very slow on this one and it was all quite delicious.

This was hard in all the right ways: fiendish cluing rather than a lot of trivia. Too many great clues to name, but some of my faves are MORTUARIES, E-READER, NOVOCAINE, and PT CLASSES. The great answers I saw immediately: ARMREST HOG and X FACTOR.

Biggest hiccup(s): THROES for "clutches" instead of THRALL gave me a plural for "brass" so that I couldn't see GALL and wanted GUTS -- though I didn't write it in.

GESTALT perplexed me. Now that I have it, I suppose the forest is the whole GESTALT in the phrase "They can't see the forest for the trees." Yes?

Re AVEC. "Unfair to Nancy", I scream. Look -- one of the totally useless things I can still do is to sing the entire first verse and chorus of La Marseilles in French. I just never forget a lyric I learned before the age of 50 -- not even one in French. But this is not from the first verse and chorus! And they didn't teach me the second or third or whatever AVEC is from.

CMD does need an i.e. or an e.g. or something to indicate its an abbreviation.
But never mind. A really engrossing puzzle that I really enjoyed.

Anonymous 10:16 AM  

Because more recently, a song called cheap thrills was sung by Sia

Anonymous 10:30 AM  

Great puzzle, but contributing to the decline of precision in the English language by allowing "Namely" to be solved with "Id est" or "i.e." (46D) "Viz." would have been accurate.

Gary Jugert 10:39 AM  

¿Por qué estoy aquí?

A little too hard for me, but plenty to keep me entertained. Lots of gunk and lots of humor and plenty to Wikipedia-ize. A great way to start the weekend.

ARM REST HOG is a charming way to get the puzzle underway. And you know I love a MORTUARY. Epic clue on NOVOCAINE.

It's not an Olympics year, so using curling clues is against the law.

Propers: 6
Places: 2
Products: 5
Partials: 7
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 23 of 70 (33%)

Funnyisms: 9+ 🤣

Tee-Hee: PE CLASSES GASES.

Uniclues:

1 "Just look out the window and get over yourself."
2 Slouching behind a potted plant.
3 Abhorrence over Santa's helper's headwear ... I mean seriously, who designed those?
4 Uncharged in a desk drawer for the last decade or so.
5 Salon de coiffure et de beauté sur la rivière.
6 Squawk squawk.
7 My rap name.

1 ARM REST HOG SNIP
2 WHY AM I HERE POSE
3 ELF HATS GALL
4 EREADER SPOT
5 RHONE HAIR SALON
6 EMU SAID "I DO"
7 NOVOCAINE ZADIE

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Murderer's excitement at stumbling upon a plan to dispose of the body. EUREKA! PIRANHAS!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RAD2626 10:50 AM  

97 times but not since November 2022 for OMOO

Dennis 10:55 AM  

I had several of the same wrong initial answers as Rex today: IGETITNOW, ATE_____, EBBTIDES. THe 10D GESTALT answer went in pretty easy for me. Yes, the 10D forest-y clue was odd, but I took an education class ages ago where the prof used GESTALT in every third sentence. So it's kinda stuck with me and I apparently see it everywhere. Final answers entered were GALL and THRALL. Loved the MORTUARIES answer to 17A Body shops? It's dark and matches my mood.

Coprophagist 10:55 AM  

I put in armrestler and thought what a clever word. Turns out I’d invented it

Lewis 11:02 AM  

As @RAD noted, 11/22 in the Times; In all the major venues, it showed up three times in 2023, but not at all in 2024.

jae 11:09 AM  

On the tough side for me, mostly because of (unlike @Rex) the WOEs in the SE…DADA, ZADIE, GASES…and two costly erasures. I had SSSS before HISS and ???OctaNE in the NE where NOVOCAINE was supposed to go.


I also did not know, SALT TAX, HMART(although I recognized it from previous xwords once I filled it in), AVEC (as clued), and how to spell ORESTEIA.

The vague/tricky clueing made for a worthy Saturday challenge, liked it.

Donald Barclay 11:14 AM  

The SE was hard for me. But I got stuck good when across MALTTAX for SALTTAX led to down MARRIED for SAIDIDO. (Malt tax is a real thing.)

Frank Zappa 11:16 AM  

I can think of another possibility.

Anonymous 11:23 AM  

I remember the MALT TAX, it hit Archie and his pals real hard

Sam 11:29 AM  

Fun puzzle with lots of nice misdirection. Agreed, medium, or easy-medium for Saturday. Liked it! Only puzzle this week I liked.

Liveprof 11:35 AM  

Thanks! I'll tell my wife.

Anonymous 11:39 AM  

When did they stop cluing acronyms?? I feel like I'm losing my mind. UPC and PECLASSES both were unclued acronyms which felt like artificial difficulty.

ghostoflectricity 11:40 AM  

I didn’t fill in 1A until I got several crosses, but considered two perfect food 10-letter answers that I personally like a lot better than”ARMRESTHOG: CRYING BABY and OVERSHARER. But it was neither. I liked the clue for STRESSATE.

Teedmn 11:57 AM  

Easy for me today and only two written-over squares, where I started to write in Rex's THRoes before reading the clue for 22A and having ZaG first for 45A, reasoning that ZIG was the first direction, so a change would be a zag. Not hard to change due to ID EST.

I felt the cluing was overly cutesy (dentist's offices are “filling stations”? Eww). 1A was fun, though “crying baby” would have fit if I hadn’t slammed down RH_NE and MYRNA first to get right to ARMREST HOG.

GESTALT seems to pop up in science fiction books more than in usual everyday usage. Some force or other causes a character's gestalt into something greater.

Thanks, Michael Lieberman.

Anonymous 12:03 PM  

Yes it is. Please check facts before posting.

Not A Smurf 12:09 PM  

Ditto on the thank you - enlightening!

Tried to make SilkTAX work for way too long.

jb129 12:15 PM  

Great Saturday Puzzle. Had just enough crunch & kept me guessing & enjoying the journey. I had MARRIED for way too long instead of Said I Do,
didn't know SHARIA, SALT TAX. Really liked STRESS ATE, AMPERSAND.
My only complaint is that maybe it's a generational thing, but CHEAP THRILLS will always belong to the one & only Janis Joplin :)
Thanks for a fun & rewarding Saturday, Michael :)

jb129 12:16 PM  

Oh & loved Novocaine for Number :)

jb129 12:17 PM  

Yes - that belongs to Janis

Carola 12:21 PM  

For me, a Saturday is "easy" if I can solve the puzzle without skipping around the grid, and that worked out today: ARMRESTHOG x ORESTEIA x SALT TAX branching into SAID I DO and XFACTOR and then the rest.

On the cluing, I was helped by my decades of doing Puns and Anagrams, where "number" in its anesthetizing sense has appeared more than once, and other double-meaning words like "job" and "felt" regularly show up. A favorite clue of yore: "Summer snake." (Adder.)

Anonymous 12:22 PM  

I thought sublimation had something to do with printing skins suits and cycling jerseys or other clothing. I guess it has to do with the ink turning from solid into gas? I was stuck as a good friend talks about using sublimation to print clothes.

Raymond 12:32 PM  

I wondered what are
PEC LASSES and decided they must be muscular Scotch girls who support Edinburgh University students. Tx fo putting me right.

Raymond 12:32 PM  

I wondered what are
PEC LASSES and decided they must be muscular Scotch girls who support Edinburgh University students. Tx fo putting me right.

Barbara S. 12:35 PM  

@jberg - I wondered whether the boat would qualify as a CANOE. It is long and narrow with pointed end(s). Isn't that paddle astonishingly elongated? Artistic license, perhaps, with the diagonals in balance. The passenger is sitting is some sort of seat-structure. Is that what makes you sure this boat is not properly a CANOE or is it something else?

Unknown 12:43 PM  

I was thinking that the king's SASH was a bit a regalia, as shown here with Spain's King Juan Carlos II : https://www.lapatilla.com/2014/06/19/las-imagenes-de-la-nueva-familia-real-de-espana-fotos/spains-king-juan-carlos-and-new-king-felipe-vi-wearing-the-sash-of-captain-general-attend-a-ceremony-at-la-zarzuela-palace-in-madrid/

okanaganer 12:48 PM  

This was a pretty perfect level of difficulty for me, just over 20 minutes. A lot of that was due to the upper left where: I've never heard of ARMREST HOG (I tried CRANKY BABY and CRYING KID), and for "This is a waste of my time" had WHY DO I CARE (really close), and wanted THIEF for the job that requires a fence (right idea!).

Lots of typeovers: hands up for SPERMS (glad that was wrong), HAIR STYLE, etc. Satisfying to finish clean.

Fun fact: the AMPERSAND was part of the alphabet many years ago... school kids would chant "..x, y, z, ampersand" (honest!). Supposedly it evolved from saying "and per se and" because it stands for "and", and "x, y, z, and" sounds really silly.

Mothra 1:07 PM  

I too have a perverse affection for the Love Boat…and the theme song, too!! In Fort Lauderdale, where I am at the moment, I would often hear someone playing what sounded like the Love Boat theme on a tuba in the late afternoon. I finally went on NextDoor and asked if I was dreaming. Turns out, the Princess cruises depart from a nearby port and I was hearing their fare-thee-well. It always makes me smile!

puzzlehoarder 1:07 PM  

Ditto for OVERSHARER

Anonymous 1:08 PM  

Haha. Thanks. NUMMER!! That’s a good clue. Totally missed it.

Anonymous 1:17 PM  

Continuing a bad recent trend of too many proper nouns and obscure trivia. NW corner was the biggest culprit. Puzzles have been so easy that it almost goes unnoticed how many proper names there have been but today it was very noticeable. Not a fun solve at all despite gettting arm rest hog off the bat.

Sailor 1:31 PM  

From what can be seen of the construction, the boat does appear to be a canoe with low chairs installed amidships, although one fitted with oars rather than propelled by paddles. It strikes me as a rather unstable vessel for two ladies wearing such voluminous dresses. I hope the river is shallow! Also note the alternate title "The Canoe on the Epte" which suggests a tradition of identifying the boat as a canoe.

puzzlehoarder 1:38 PM  

This was a very enjoyable medium challenging solve.

In the NW MYRNA had to sit by her lonesome until the end because my ROO/EMU write over kept me from parsing 1A.

Very easy start in the NE. NOEL corrected my NOVaCAINE misspelling. HMART caused me to hesitate on ELFHATS. I've never heard of the chain and there's nothing "asian" looking about it. Ironically I thought 24D's "nage" was Japanese.

In the SE I was grateful to have OMOO give me SPORES so I didn't have to waste time on the other possibility. That extreme SE corner caused a bit of a speed bump as I thought of DECO before DADA.

In the SW I was amazed how unfamiliar I was with the geographical angle on ALAI. All those "jai___" clues drown it out.

Getting back into the NW I had to fix a RICE/SALT write over. Getting GESTALT gave me 1A. I wouldn't have expected that second E in ORESTEIA but as always these puzzles self correct.


Terrific triple stacks of 9s and 10s and the connecting material is all high quality for a top notch themeless.

beverly c 1:58 PM  

I felt as happy about my wrong Diehard as Rex did about ARMREST HOG.
The difficulty was just right for me - I really had to pick over the clues to get any foothold, and then aha! A long answer here, there, and such entertaining cluing. And the absolute best part after finishing was coming here and the comments hit it out of the park today. Lovely cheery start to the day.

Thanks Southside (spaghettified)
Egs (PEC LASSES and Jai Alai)
LiveProf (both joke posts)
Gary (¿Por qué estoy aquí? and Eureka! Pirhanas)




M and A 2:01 PM  

Nice, feisty SatPuz, with 0 MOO clues [except maybe for the SNIP one]. Can't blame the no-knows much for the nanosecond expenditures, since all I had to fight off were ZADIE, HMART, & ORESTEIA.

staff weeject pick: Warrin' EMUs.

lots to like list: Debut of the ELFHATS. WHYAMIHERE. NOVOCAINE & its clue. THRALL/GALL. GESTALT/SALTTAX. VITAMINS clue. POSE clue [+!].

Thanx for the fun, Mr. Lieberman dude. Bring it, Shortzmeister!

Masked & Anonymo3Us

... soup, anyone? ...

"Sorta Souper Heroes" - 7x7 12 min. themed runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

M&A

p.s. Woulda been here sooner, but was watchin the superb AO women's championship match, we recorded from earlier.

mmorgan 2:04 PM  

I guess the word GESTALT was very common in my generation/social milieu. Easy gimme!

Niallhost 2:08 PM  

I'm usually a fan of hard Saturdays, but this one was not for me. Way too many words I had never heard of - OMOO, ALAI, ORESTEIA, ZADIE, DIRK - or if I've heard the word, not in the context of the clue - AVEC, ANNE, SALT TAX, GESTALT, ALA, HMART, GASES. A few too many difficulties to overcome to finish this one without help.

M and A 2:14 PM  

p.p.s.s.
@RP: Primo MYRNA pic. So sad, that ASTA gets so much more xword billin.

M&Also

Karen Coyle 2:23 PM  

You know what also fits 1 across? cryingbaby

Anonymous 2:31 PM  

DNF because of IDEST/DADA natick. I guess Saturdays are supposed to be challenging, but this was on another level of obscure trivia. I knew DIRK from playing an old text-based MMORPG called Dragonrealms (speaking of obscure). NOEL COWARD?!!! That is on another level of nonsense.

Rick K 2:49 PM  

I noticed that there were three "I" phrases in this puzzle: I SEE IT NOW, SAY I DO and WHY AM I HERE. From a construction standpoint, is this considered OK? Is it not a big deal because it's such a small word and most people wouldn't notice? Curious to hear from others. TIA

Anoa Bob 3:11 PM  

GESTALT is a concept in the psychology of sensation and perception. It's the tendency to see an array of stimuli not as individual bits and pieces (trees, e.g.) but as an organized whole (a forest, e.g.). It was part of the early 20th century German movement known as phenomenology.

I live close to the beach on the Gulf of Mexico and RIP TIDE forecasts are often included in local weather reports.

Speaking of which, I did notice, and not in a good way, that the grid leaned heavily on POCs (plural of convenience) to get the job done. This especially stands out when some longer entries resort to POCs as happens when MORTUARY, PE CLASS, ELF HAT, VITAMIN, RIP TIDE, STREW, TOUR GUIDE & EYE SOCKET all need letter count, grid filling boosts to do their jobs.

OMOO is an old school crosswordese staple. It was a sequel to the novel that made Melville famous, Typee. (Moby-Dick wasn't acclaimed as a masterpiece until after his death.) Typee is my all time favorite South Seas adventure and romance novel. I was completely enTHRALLed by it and fell totally in love with the graceful and beautiful Fayaway.

jazzmanchgo 3:21 PM  

Or Frank Zappa, for that matter, although he wasn't really a "pop star."

Anonymous 3:32 PM  

ARMRESTHOG did not come to me immediately as it did to Rex and others, and the NW was my slow area ... sussing out ARMRESTHOG was the highlight of my solve though and the key to that corner.

When I first read the clue ("Undesirable airplane seatmate"), the phrase that popped into my head was GIANT FATTY. But then I remembered one is no longer permitted to call or conceive of someone as being "fat" any more ... body positivity and all, you know. The NY TImes would certainly not intimate that having a fa... ummmm large? person next to you could possibly be unpleasant. So I moved on.

When I came back to it later, I put my thinking cap on. Hmmm ... there is no waffling in that clue ... this person is not unpleasant just a little bit (like someone who keeps their light on when you try to sleep) or just some of the time (like someone who keeps getting up to access the overhead bin) or just to certain sensitivities (like someone who talks a lot) ... no, this person is unpleasant plenty, to everyone, every time. Geez, that just seems like a fat hog who spills over the armr... wait! HOG! Some type of HOG ... umm, an ARMREST HOG?!?! Yes! Puzzle solved!

Floridamam 3:33 PM  

I didn't understand the clue for NOVOCAINE

Anonymous 3:36 PM  

to over share.... i slapped oversharer in confidentialy at 1A.

Anonymous 3:38 PM  

An entertaining Saturday puzzle, thanks Michael...
I rank it as an easy/medium, you got me on 41down I had sperm for spores...

Anonymous 3:40 PM  

i was going to put in 'anyone complaining about a crying baby' but alas.. did not fit.

Anonymous 3:47 PM  

Don’t you mean Gulf of America? (Eye roll.)

Adam S 4:12 PM  

Unless Janis Joplin changes her name to JJO from beyond the grave, SIA is going to remain the Crossworld’s queen of Cheap Thrills

Germanicus 4:58 PM  

And always remember that in "Casablanca" the Marseillaise scene was stolen in its entirety from the film "La Grande Illusion."

M and A 5:07 PM  

@Floridamam:
re: {Number at filling stations?} = NOVOCAINE…
filling stations = dentist offices, where they do tooth fillings.
number = something that numbs you at the dentist office, such as novocaine.

M&A Help Desk

Anonymous 5:41 PM  

My sweet spot for a Saturday. I had to work to get there, but I enjoyed the entire trip. That's the way I like it on Fridays and Saturdays.

About NOVOCAINE : the filling stations are tooth filling stations, you get your mouth numbed ( or frozen as we say in Canada where I grew up) when you get your tooth filled, so "numb-er' ie. A thing that numbs, not "number " like 1 or 2.

ChrisS 5:46 PM  

I too had malt tax as a result of Married instead of "Said I do". Seemed like it could be real, an extra tax on barley made into malt for beer or whiskey, but those beverages did not fit with Chinese culture. I think created a portmanteau that is better than armrest hog, I combined armrest with wrestler to get "armrestler" feel free to use it, you're welcome.

Anonymous 6:05 PM  

Great puzzle, in the sense that, when I started, I got through all the clues and thought there was no way I could ever complete it, then chipped away and completed it in almost record time. Nothing came easy, but it did all, eventually come, often with a smile of sudden recognition.

Anonymous 6:43 PM  

Jughead was arrested in the Malt Tax Riots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malt_tax_riots

pabloinnh 7:15 PM  

Pro tip--read other comments before posting. You will avoid having to ask for explanations of things like "number". Also, you may find an opportunity to respond to another poster, which for me at least, is a reason to come to this little circle of word lovers.

bmv 7:24 PM  

LOL

Anonymous 7:33 PM  

Started with CRYING BABY and never got going after that.

Anonymous 7:45 PM  

Did anyone else try SUETTAX?

Anonymous 5:09 AM  

Got stuck at dada and had no idea about id est. Enjoyed most of the long answers and Thought myself rather clever for for getting arm rest hog immediately.

Anonymous 8:05 AM  

I don’t get IDEST … namely? Got it from crosses but I don’t see it.

Anonymous 11:06 AM  

I got 14 "longs"

Anonymous 11:13 AM  

Philadelphia is home to the Dad Vail Regatta, scull races on the "Skoolkill", looks like a scull to me, incredibly tippy when still, remarkably stable when moving

Anonymous 1:00 PM  

Dry ice, which is frozen carbon dioxide, does not melt. It evaporates when warmed. That change from solid to gas without going through a liquid phase is sublimation

Jared 1:11 PM  

It's so funny what is and isn't hard for people. I dropped all of NOVOCAINE, HAIRSALON and EYESOCKETS in without crosses, but the NW stumped me forever, I had AR-RES-H-- before I got it. And three of those crosses felt like wild speculation that I didn't want to put in at first.

Meanwhile HAIRSALON immediately gave me SHARIA, EREADER, SSR and SASH (AMPERSAND fell in at some point there) and the SW was by far the easiest for me (with NW being hardest).

Anonymous 1:29 PM  

A day late, as I often do Saturdays on Sunday, but couldn't resist checking if anyone else wanted SMALLCHILD for 1A.. nope, apparently I am the only one. (quickly proven false by MYRNA, but I couldn't shake the theme for quite awhile)

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