Fictional thief Lupin / THU 1-9-25 / Film writer/director Goldberg / Awesome, in 1990s slang / TV journalist Ling / One of 3,000+ annually for IBM / Off-line, to those online / "Fleabag" airer / Notable site of enlightenment / Pixar film set in the fictional town of Santa Cecilia / Italian for "baked"

Thursday, January 9, 2025

Constructor: David P. Williams

Relative difficulty: Easy to Easy-Medium


THEME: NATO Alphabet (38D: Grp. whose alphabet is used eight times in this puzzle) — one word in each clue is actually a disguised "letter" of the NATO Alphabet, which you must read as a letter (not a word). Theme clues must be read as [letter] [category of thing]—answers are specific things in that category that starts with that letter, e.g. [Charlie horse] is CLYDESDALE because a CLYDESDALE is a "horse" that starts with "C" ("Charlie"):

Theme answers:
  • CLYDESDALE (17A: Charlie horse)
  • PANDA (21A: Papa bear)
  • SERGIO (26A: Sierra Leone)
  • THIRTEEN (27A: Tango number)
  • GAZPACHO (40A: Golf course)
  • WELCH'S (42A: Whiskey soda)
  • QUITO (45A: Quebec city)
  • ARTHUR ASHE (51A: Alpha male (double))
Word of the Day: ARSÈNE Lupin (20A: Fictional thief Lupin) —
 

Arsène Lupin (French pronunciation: [aʁsɛn lypɛ̃]) is a fictional gentleman thief and master of disguise created in 1905 by French writer Maurice Leblanc. The character was first introduced in a series of short stories serialized in the magazine Je sais tout. The first story, "The Arrest of Arsène Lupin", was published on 15 July 1905.

The character has also appeared in a number of books by other writers as well as numerous film, television, stage play, and comic book adaptations. Five authorized sequels were written in the 1970s by the celebrated mystery writing team of Boileau-Narcejac. (wikipedia)

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This was one where I went hunting for the revealer clue early. Put together CLYDESDALE pretty easily, and obviously that's a horse, but couldn't make sense of "Charlie" so I kept going. When I got to 26A: Sierra Leone and couldn't get it from -GIO, I decided "that's it, where's the revealer?" And when it wasn't in the obvious place (last long Across answer), I just scanned the clues until I saw the phrase "... in this puzzle." Who expects a four-letter revealer in an off-center no-man's-land part of the grid? Anyway, took one look at 38D: Grp. whose alphabet is used eight times in this puzzle, immediately thought NATO, couldn't make the "N" cross work, briefly doubted NATO, but then finally looked at the theme clues again and thought, "no, it's definitely NATO." The puzzle was pretty much over right there. All themers unlocked. Not that they were so obvious, even when unlocked. I mean, who's go-to "'G' course" is gonna be GAZPACHO!? Mine would be GOULASH, mostly because I watched Christmas in Connecticut over the holidays and there's a whole GOULASH argument in there between Felix and the Irish housekeeper. What are other "G" courses? GRITS? GREEN BEANS? Those are more sides. Maybe everyone thinks of GAZPACHO and I'm an outlier. My point is that simply knowing the word started with "G" didn't make it a gimme. With some of the others, though, knowing the trick to the clue really narrowed down your options. Only one five-letter "Q" city I know (a crossword favorite!) so that went right in. Not many "W" sodas either, and the "(double)" in the ARTHUR ASHE clue made that one particularly easy. Nice touch ending on a double. Always nice to finish with a flourish. Not all answers were so nice. THIRTEEN could've been TWO or TEN or whatever, and [Tango number] certainly has the clunkiest phrasing of all the theme clues, which are supposed to sound like familiar things; "number" here would mean song, i.e. a song you can dance the tango to—so it works, technically, but it's not nearly as familiar a phrase or expression as the others. Overall, it's a cute theme, even if it does (at times) yield fairly arbitrary theme answers and loses much of its crunch after you figure out the gimmick.

[Arguing about stew v. goulash]

[Midtown! I want to go to there...]

I got slightly held up a bunch of times, but never really stuck. First and worst mistake was probably HBO for BBC at 1D: "Fleabag" airer. I watched it and still botched it. In the US of course it didn't air on the BBC, but it didn't air on HBO either. I think I saw it on Prime (a subscription I've now ditched). Anyway, the center "B" from HBO worked—always bad when you can "confirm" a wrong answer with a cross (BRONCO!). But I got out of that snare pretty fast. I had trouble driving BODHI- into the bottom of the grid because all I could think of was "Bodhisattva" and anyway I'd misread the clue as [Notable stage of enlightenment] (actual clue: 32D: Notable site of enlightenment). BODHI ... NESS? But then I dropped down, got PEZ instantly, and came right back to speed. I said my worst mistake was HBO, but now that I look the grid over, it was probably actually TAILOR, which is what I had initially at 48A: Cut some slack? (TAUTEN). I figured that a tailor might ... cut ... slacks. Sure, it's slacks, not "slack," but I figure the clue was just stretching things, the way it often does in "?" clues. TAILOR was anchored pretty solidly because of the correct first two letters. But as with HBO, it couldn't stay in place for long because the easy-to-get answers around it just put too much pressure on its wrongness. Oh, I also had AFTER ALL instead of ALL-IN-ALL (36D: At the end of the day). That's three wrong answers that worked semi-well with their crosses. And yet the puzzle still felt very easy. Weird.


I was lucky enough to know almost all the names in this one, because man there are a lot of them, including three in the themers alone. EVAN and ARSÈNE and OLSEN and SELENA and EUNICE and on and on. Made the puzzle feel a little too trivia-testy for my tastes. That NE corner I can see being a bear for some people, and not just because PANDA bear is up there (is a PANDA really a bear? oh right, it is—it's KOALA that's not; nevermind...). If you've never heard of J.J. WATT, then prying your way into that NE corner would've been challenging, esp. with yet another name up there (LISA) and a potentially toughish clue on JEDI (16A: Knight of film). If you can navigate the names, though, this one was mostly a breeze.


Bullets:
  • 35A: Italian for "baked" (COTTA) — weird, in a not-great way, to cross two Italian terms in the middle of the grid (or anywhere) (see also 27D: Entire, in Italian => TUTTO)
  • 56A: Vivacious, theatrical and passionate type, it's said (LEO) — LOL I had the "O" and wrote in EMO
  • 2D: Off-line, to those online (IRL) — "in real life"
  • 22D: Singer Gomez (SELENA) — Also [Entrepreneur Gomez] (she's a billionaire now?) and notably [Actress Gomez]. She's probably best known currently for being on Only Murders in the Building, but I just saw her in Jim Jarmusch's zombie film, The Dead Don't Die (2019), an absurd and occasionally hilarious film starring everyone under the sun. Recommended.
  • 6D: Lob in the direction of (TOSS TO) — I had TOSS AT. Awkward phase either way.
  • 35D: Pixar film set in the fictional town of Santa Cecilia (COCO) — Eventually there will be so many Pixar films there is no way I will be able to keep them straight. We may already be to that point. And yet somehow, despite never having seen it, I got COCO off the last "O."
This week I'm highlighting the best puzzles of 2024 by focusing on one day at a time. I kept a spreadsheet of every puzzle I solved last year, complete with ratings from 0-100 (with 50 being my idea of an "average" NYTXW) (They really did average out to around 50, with Saturday being my fav day (avg 57.7), and Sunday (obviously) being my least fav (avg 42.9). 

Here are my Top Three Thursday Puzzles of 2024. (I'm not ranking them; it's nicer that way)
Apparently I like a good rebus. Tomorrow it's on to the themelesses. See you then.

Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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70 comments:

rorosen 6:04 AM  

never saw Coco but saw Christmas in Connecticut? You have to work on your sees,..

Anonymous 6:15 AM  

Done in by the JEDI clue and knowing nothing of the NFL. On me, admittedly. Assumed Knight was some actor of whom I’d never heard, and went with tEDI x JtWATT.

Anonymous 6:24 AM  

Bah! Humbug! Way too many names.

Adam 6:24 AM  

Didn't love this. TAUTEN? I knew SELENA and EUNICE and OLSEN but never even heard of the film Lupin and had no idea--got that one from the crosses. Agree with @Rex about GAZPACHO.

With all the Zs, Js, and the V, Q, and X I was expecting that the constructor was going for a bingo and was on the lookout for a K--and was almost disappointed when none showed up.

Bob Mills 7:03 AM  

Needed one cheat, to get JJWATT's middle initial (I had "JDWATT," but I knew "DEDI" couldn't be right). I also had "Tutti" instead of TUTTO, but GAZPACHO had to be right. Thursday themes are usually more difficult than today's, or at least more complex. This was comfortable.

Rick 7:05 AM  

yeah, irritatingly difficult. super vague clues, tons of names.

SouthsideJohnny 7:07 AM  

Kind of a weird puzzle that seemed easy-breezy to me for large stretches, then up popped a road block here and there. I pretty much concede stuff like Pixar films crossing words in languages I don’t speak, so COCO x ATOI was a tough one. ICE RAIN doesn’t sound like a phrase I would say, and the cross with ARSÈNE didn’t help. Similarly, TAUTEN seems like one of those words that the NYT unearths that is technically real but infrequently used IRL (who knows, I may be mistaken on that one).

I actually discerned the theme and it helped with an answer or two, which is a moral victory for me.

Rick 7:09 AM  

also irritating that the puzzle not merely expects you to know Italian, but to be able to conjugate it - TUTTo or TUTTi? COTTA or COTTI?

Elision 7:22 AM  

Maybe it's just me, but this struck me as the dullest theme I've ever encountered. A male whose name starts with A. Wooooooo. Only a thousand options there. Bully for you for finding one with TWO!

Andy Freude 7:42 AM  

@Anonymous 6:15, same here. Plus, that journalist might have been LIza, Lina, Lida, you name it. That NE corner took me about as long as the rest of the puzzle put together.

Eh Steve! 7:44 AM  

Color me as one who breezed through things, up until the NE when I hit the wall.

Don't know NFL, especially NFL ten years ago. Don't know LISA Ling. Don't really know much Shelley beyond Ozymandias. With all the other names in the puzzle, figured Knight was an actor I also didn't know. Absolutely brutal.

Lewis 7:47 AM  

Oh, my brain was on high alert before entering the first square. The constructor’s name rang a bell, I looked him up, and oh yeah, he’s the guy with those identical-grid “looking at a blackbird” Saturday puzzles that gave my brain a Crossfit-grade workout.

So, I’m not surprised that the box held many riddles for me today. Names I didn’t know, deeply-submerged-in-memory words that took a while to pry out, and actual riddles, such as the sensational [Mystery writer, in brief?] for ANON.

Story of my solve: Vague mass of hardly anything, steeped in slowness, leading to islets of fill-in, morphing into blobs, crescendoing into a mad dash to the finish, with a highly-satisfied brain. Figuring out the theme, with a resounding aha, was the catalyst.

This grid is so well filled. What a high-quality answer set with hardly a whiff of junk and a wide variety of fields represented. Look at that gorgeous filled in grid! I thought the cluing was high quality as well, with the Thursday-right level of vagueness and sparks of wit.

David P., you can make a capital-C crossword, and I savored what you made today. Thank you so much for this!

Dr.A 8:08 AM  

Got hung up in the NE too, looked up JJWATT because there was no way I was getting that, and then it all fell into place (eventually..). Good difficulty otherwise, I thought the theme was kind of cute, and enjoyed the rest of it.

Unknown 8:08 AM  

Prabably sounded like a good idea but in the end you end up with: bears that start with p or numbers that start with a t or food that starts with a g. Toss in some foreign words, some names and ice rain and you get Meh

pabloinnh 8:11 AM  

Ran into the revealer early but somehow missed the two-part aspect of the clues and so just went looking for themers that started with the proper letter, which worked, but diminished the overall effect. Oops.

Things became clear with the "Quebec city" obviously starting with a Q, but outside of Quebec itself, couldn't think of another one, QUITO appeared, and the game was afoot.

No real problems, didn't know EVAN as clued, got COTTA from terra COTTA, and did OFL's TAILOR and AFTERALL, but they were easy enough to fix. Major complaint is ICERAIN. I know what this means, but as anyone living in a place where this occurs knows, the term is "freezing rain". Always, I mean, really.

Nice concept and well done, DPW. I Don't Pick Winners ala OFL, but this is high on the list of good Thursdays, and thanks for all the fun.

DeeJay 8:11 AM  

What's a BODHITREE?

Anonymous 8:16 AM  

NE was also a huge hold-up for me. Most of the rest felt like a breeze.

JJK 8:18 AM  

I didn’t much like this, too many names, although some were gimmes, but others (JJWATT, LISA) were unknown and uninferable, since the crosses were hard too. I didn’t much like the theme either - I “got” it, but it was so clunky that almost all the themers were hard to come up with. Who is SERGIO Leone? What does the number THIRTEEN have to do with dancing. After reading the write up I see that I was kind of missing the boat with the theme, trying to relate the answer to the actual word of the NATO alphabet (TANGO, for ex.) So I was sort of lost in the woods.

Anonymous 8:22 AM  

never quite got the theme. gazpacho is not a course. it is a soup, soup is the course.

Alexander 8:28 AM  

Yeah, that NE was brutal - made even worse by first entering POLAR

Emily Ransom 8:29 AM  

I’ve felt kinda meh about the puzzles this week (I join the crowd who got defeated by names today and thus assumed the “Knight” was yet another), but I keep being delighted with the reminders of the 2024 best-of. The “stacks” puzzle was the one in which I first introduced my 20-year-old nephew to crosswords when we were with family for Thanksgiving, and we were both together charmed by the cleverness.

ncmathsadist 8:30 AM  

TAUTEN??? WTH? That should be TAKEIN. That's what the tailor who alters your pants calls it. That was a bush-league move.

Michael 8:38 AM  

Cute idea with the NATO theme, but the execution fell very flat for me. The fill was full of gunk and the clues were so vague as to often be useless. Half of the theme answers still required tons of crosses even after I figured out the theme because they were so vague and misleading. There are plenty of numbers that begin with T, gazpacho is not a course on its own, absolutely no idea who Sergio Leone is, tons of men whose name begins with A...

Overall, an annoyingly frustrating puzzle.

RooMonster 8:41 AM  

Hey All !
The Italians got me good today. Har. Had to Goog for one of the words, as stuck in that center section, not knowing also of the BODHI TREE, or whatever the full name is of said TREE that Rex pointed out. That center section has four non-enflish words in COTTA, TUTTO, GAZPACHO, ATOI, with two Themers running through it and unknown BODHI TREE. Goodness. I'm sure it was a tough section for David to fill, but sheesh.

Patted myself on the back for getting the theme! Figured the Quebec City had to be QUITO, but said, "QUITO isn't in Canada at all!" before grokking Theme. A good "Aha" followed once I figured out it was supposed to only be Q City . Good stuff. Cleared up the other Themers I was missing in fairly quick fashion. Although, had SERGey in first for SERGIO.

TJ WATT (JJ's brother who plays for the Steelers) was screwed out of Defensive Player of the Year last year. Everybody knows it. Should have been his second win.

Different type of ThursPuz. Made you think for a bit. I feel for those who missed what was going on. ILL SEE who BITe IT in the comments. 😁

Happy Thursday!

One F
RooMonster
DarrinV

Anonymous 8:43 AM  

JJ Watt was a gimme! He was the Walter Payton Man of the Year- so even if you don’t like the sport, the feel good aspect got a lot of coverage, too. And Coco was beautiful, you should watch it!

Anonymous 8:45 AM  

Ehh not really a deep theme - you just get an letter and an animal or a name etc - and then those are all anchored by trivia names, so if you don’t know the NFL or Lisa Ling in the NE there isn’t any reason it can’t be Polar. That is what makes it weak, that there isn’t a reason for the theme answers beyond the first letter. The theme doesn’t actually pertain to the clue/answer past that first letter. Which is lame.

Anonymous 8:46 AM  

Agree!

Anonymous 8:48 AM  

Ironically JJ Watt’s brother, also a NFL Defensive Player of the Year, is TJ Watt

Dan A 8:52 AM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhi_Tree?wprov=sfti1

Fun_CFO 8:53 AM  

Well below average time, but didn’t feel easy. I knew a lot of the names which certainly helped on the time, but man, some crosses/sections sure took some sussing and a little luck. As already mentioned, The JJWATT (keep an eye out for his equally talented brother TJ) and BODHITREE regions specifically.

Also, helping my time was suspecting theme at first themer (CLYDESDALE) and effectively confirmed at second (PANDA).

Not my favorite Thursday, but a solid puzzle and worthy first themed effort from constructor that did the Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird themeless grids. Nice touch to get THIRTEEN included in this one.

Dan A 8:55 AM  

What’s the Italian word for Natick? ;-)

Anonymous 9:01 AM  

Gotta agree with Rex that those three Thursday puzzles he mentioned were really outstanding. There are definitely up and down days in terms of puzzle quality, but I thank Rex for reminding me that there have been some really great puzzles from the NYT this year.

Anonymous 9:02 AM  

Did not know JJWATT so had RJWATT. Figuring the Monopoly image could be a ‘RAIL’ road…?

Anonymous 9:29 AM  

It was clear from crosses, but what driver has ever encountered ICERAIN as a hazard? ICYROAD maybe but ICERAIN as a gloss for sleet or freezing rain is terrible.

Whatsername 9:50 AM  

Breezy and fun for me since I know the NATO alphabet backwards and forwards. However, I suspect if you don’t, this might’ve been a rather frustrating experience. ERSATZ, EUNICE and EPOCHS made a nice trio. My only complaint was a big fat Natick right smack in the middle. I’m no constructor but couldn’t help wondering why on earth you’d put two Italian terms in your puzzle and intentionally cross them with each other, then throw in an animated film title to further complicate the situation. Other than that, I enjoyed this one immensely.

Anonymous 9:56 AM  

Who says we’re talking about pants?

Anonymous 9:58 AM  

As an Italian speaker I don't think of cotto/a to mean "baked" rather cooked in general. If someone were to say [food] cotto i would think as opposed to raw, not necessarily that it was done in the oven specifically. Also it is annoying when they put Italian words in here because the ending vowel could be a/e/i/o and they would all be correct. Tutto could have also been tutta.

Anonymous 10:03 AM  

There'd actually be four correct answers for Cotta. Tutto couldn't be tutti but it could be tutta.

Anonymous 10:05 AM  

ICE RAIN? Seriously?!

Anonymous 10:07 AM  

Too many proper names/trivia. Theme was dumb. Should have been scrapped.

Anonymous 10:14 AM  

Can someone explain what an ATOZ is? Had A TOn there for a while but then PEZ was undeniable. Never heard of an ATOZ before…

Gary Jugert 10:20 AM  

Escritor de misterio en ropa interior.

@dgd and @Spacey Stacey
Thanks for your nice comments yesterday. I've been too busy to keep up reading every blog comment in real time so I am missing some of the fun and mayhem. You kids are the best.

They TAUTENED this one up with a cast of characters I did not know and will not remember. Kinda unpleasant actually.

I don't know if the NYTXW editorial team has been to any scary movies lately, but I want to remind them an AXE is still a popular weapon among mainly modern mostly unmedieval masked mad men.

ERSATZ is on my favorite word list between AREOLA (tee-hee) and SPELUNK.

❤️ PHAT.

Propers: 10 (and mean ones too) {grr}
Places: 2
Products: 4
Partials: 8
Foreignisms: 4
--
Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 28 of 76 (37%)

Funnyisms: 2 😕

Uniclues:

1 Continually answering questions along the lines of: "Oh my god, how did you get so big."
2 Good name for a bar in Washington.
3 Obvious purchase when I discovered the cute couple across the way forgets to close their drapes.

1 CLYDESDALE WOES
2 PHAT SENATE (~)
3 TELEPHOTO, DUH

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: When the machines rise. I ROBOT TUESDAY.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jared M. 10:26 AM  

As a lifelong New Englander, all I have to say is...ICE RAIN?! Wtf is ICE RAIN? It's freezing rain or sleet or even (sometimes, but not really) icY rain, but never ICE RAIN.

Anonymous 10:26 AM  

@anon 8:48am doesn’t seem ironic at all that two brothers would each go by their initials, but I could see it making someone hesitate about which to put in there

Anonymous 10:29 AM  

Neither of those words are verbs, so there’s no conjugation necessary, and as for the endings, that’s what crosses are for

Nancy 10:31 AM  

The best kind of trick puzzle -- one which is totally baffling before you cotton onto the trick and very easy thereafter. I was really, really baffled by the SERGIO clue and filled it in without understanding the answer. When you don't know the NATO alphabet, this has to be a struggle and this puzzle may be the most challenging use of that alphabet (which appears from time to time in the NYTXW) that I've yet seen. I mean, did I know that S=SERGIO?

Once I figured it out, though, I [mostly]* loved the puzzle. And what great clues for SENATE and ANON.

*But the less said about that unfortunate name-riddled NE corner, the better.

toxteth 10:44 AM  

ICE RAIN isn't a thing.

DrBB 10:48 AM  

NE was a bear (and not a cute PANDA) for me too. Combination of the two unknown descending names, plus the classical (correct but little used) spelling of AEON forced me to the Google the name of some TV journalist I've never heard of and don't remotely care about. "TV Journalist" is anathema to me anymore. **Maybe** with sufficient persistence I woulda/coulda seen PANDA eventually and that would have given me AEON but sheer annoyance with the PPP and the sure knowledge that it was going to be a "meh" even when I finally got it sapped my patience. Googling counts as a personal loss for me, but finding the answer didn't feel like it redeemed that corner much. Even if I like the odd classical reference. Needed a (var.) hint or something or I just wasn't gonna see it. Theme idea seemed pretty thin, too, though I copped to it at NATO.

egsforbreakfast 10:54 AM  

Sentiment of most Ukrainians: EUNICE, Russia not nice.

Egs: I'm tired of that old 1960's dance. Let's do something more modern.
Mrs. Egs: Sorry, but WATUSI is what you get.

Costello Jr.: Dad, if you personally hit a single, who ISON first?
Costello: ISON

Nice soda duo with SLICE sitting directly atop WELCHS.

I'm sensing that much of the commentariat is new enough to not have encountered Joaquin's dictum, or old enough to have forgotten it. I'm delighted to say that it actually Googles, which I discovered because I wanted to get the wording exactly right. It says, "Clues are just hints; they're not definitions and they're not synonyms. So they need not be precise and don't need to apply in all situations. They're just "clues" to assist one in figuring out the answers.". It was a wonderful trip down memory lane to go back to the 9/28/21 blog to retrieve the wording. Sad to remember those who've left us voluntarily or by God's hand, and also interesting to see the evolution of some of the regulars.

Very fast solve for me, but I Lima-Oscar-Victor-Echo-Delta the theme and thought much of the cluing was great, in particular "Knight of film". Thanks, David P. Williams.

Whatsername 10:58 AM  

I am in that stretch of the Midwest where you often see pink between the blue/snow and green/rain on the weather map. The meteorologists call it ice OR freezing rain but no, I’ve never heard ice rain.

Whatsername 11:01 AM  

I’m snickering helplessly at the uniclues today. 🤣

Dennis 11:05 AM  

Finished the puzzle and thought: Wow, I didn't know that the NATO alphabet contained ARTHUR, CLYDESDALE, GAZPACHO, PANDA, QUITO, SERGIO, THIRTEEN, AND WELCH'S. LOL!! But then, since I'm a big fan of all things Québec, I remembered QUEBEC was the NATO Q so that got me out of my DAZE (Tuesday's disordered state came back to haunt me). Middle crossing Italians were not nice, so had to cheat to get that correct. SE corner was a PANDA bear for me. EUNICE, DAVIES, SAS, WATUSI were unknowns to me, even though I don't live under a rock. Weird puzzle experience today. Can't say it was enjoyable. But I did have a good laugh about how stupid I can be. :)

Dennis 11:07 AM  

Couldn't agree more. This from a Midwesterner.

Mickey Bell 11:22 AM  

No, there is no ice rain. Freezing rain? Yes.

JT 11:22 AM  

Exactly the same for me. Didn't know JJ Watt, didn't know Lisa Ling, couldn't get Jedi or Woe. Seems like an editing oversight that some of those weren't modified to make it doable.

Anonymous 11:23 AM  

I'm sorry, what exactly does ATOZ mean for "the whole shebang"? I solved it correctly but still have zero idea what that means.

Georgia 11:40 AM  

From A to Z.

Dennis 11:41 AM  

Okay, I'm gonna go down a rabbit hole. Any francophones/francophiles out there bristle at the 43A clue (Yours, in French) and answer (ATOI). Whenever I see this clue, I always think: LE TIEN or LE VÔTRE, never À TOI. When I hear a francophone say, À TOI, it's usually in the context of playing a game, meaning "Your Turn." I know you can say "ce stylo, c'est à toi" (that pen, it's yours), but for me, "à toi" by itself means "your turn." Not trying to be all pointy headed here, but just curious if anyone else has / has had that reaction to this common clue, which gives the much loved vowel-rich answer.

jazzmanchgo 12:00 PM  

"A TO Z."

D Orr 12:10 PM  

I think HIYo/COTTo HIYA/COTTA is a full on Natick. Hiya might be more familiar, but I’d say the same about cotto, as in cotto salami. Meh.

John 12:17 PM  

It's A to Z. The whole alphabet. Everything.

TexanPenny 12:36 PM  

My husband's French-speaking family use "c'est à toi" as a stand-alone phrase referring to something that belongs to you, so it seems fair to clue it as "yours." Nevertheless, when encountering that clue, I always have to remind myself, "Oh yeah, it's gonna be 'à toi'."

okanaganer 12:54 PM  

This was a great theme idea, but done exactly wrong! You see... the clues are fun and interesting, while the answers are... not. So they should have been the other way around... eg Clue: "Clydesdale?", Answer: CHARLIE HORSE. That would have been soooo much nicer.

Hands up for ICE RAIN not a thing; it's FREEZING RAIN. I had ICY ROAD which is way better.

Yes there are a lotta names; fortunately knew most except for EVAN, JJWATT, LISA, COCO, EUNICE. The only "Knight of film" I could conjure was TED which... nope.

Jared 12:56 PM  

TrIllioN has too many matching letters to THIRTEEN. Thankfully that "false proof" didn't last long when I couldn't make TELEPr?T? work at 8D.

jae 12:56 PM  

Medium but it felt a lot tougher. Vague NATO clues and some major WOEs (e.g. JJ WATT, EVAN, TUTTO, SAS, LISA) made this seem challenging.

Costly erasures: Me too for HBO before BBC, also DoH before DUH, role before PART.

Nice to have a cute/clever/slightly crunchy Thursday, liked it

GILL I. 12:58 PM  

How did I dislike thee? Let me count to eight while sitting under a BODHI TREE with JJWATT. Gaaaah. How many names are you throwing at me!

First of all, like @Whatsername, I know the NATO alphabet quite well. I'm not sure why, but I do. In Spain if you wanted to spell your name to an operator you had to use the cities in Spain. My maiden name is Echols and boy you try spelling that one in Spanish. Officially my name is Espana Cadiz Huelva Oviedo Lerida Sevilla. Now try to make a crossword with that one! But...I digress, we are here to hablar about this one.

I pretty much knew what was going on but it brought no smile to this usual smiling face. GAZPACHO and especially WELCH'S clue made me frown. Why? you may ask.....Because it really didn't make sense. I get the CLYDESDALE and PANDA up top but you are tossing in a LOT of names not to mention SERGIO and all the others painted hither and yon. I like Rex's "Top Three Thursday" puzzle better.

So I've said my piece and now I'm wondering what on earth Trump may have been saying to Obama at Jimmy Carter's funeral...Maybe he asked him if he was really a US citizen?

Adam S 1:09 PM  

I'm totally a novice constructor and not nearly as accomplished as Mr. Williams. But I suspect that what happened here was that TELEPHOTO and BODHITREE got locked in place early and, combined with the themers THIRTEEN, GAZPACHO, and NATO, severely constrained the middle of the grid.

The BBC podcast with Robyn Weintraub had a revealing moment where she said it was time to "kill her darlings," meaning she needed to sacrifice some answers she liked for the sake of the grid as a whole. In this case, killing a (non-theme) darling might well have helped.

Teedmn 1:15 PM  

Bah. So okay, I got the theme without the revealer, but I'm bitter about the far NE corner. An NFL player and a TV journalist squeezed into that small space while crossing a needlessly misleading clue for JEDI (plus a life-long hatred of Monopoly) led me to a DNF when I put in rAIL crossing rJWATT and just got lucky with guessing LISA.

I'm not happy with the golf course clue = GAZPACHO. Soupis a course, but unless some non-English language considers GAZPACHO as the definition of soup, I'm crying foul. I was also one of the TUTTi crowd because it's one of my oft overlooked SB entries. TUTTo has never been in SB, as far as I remember. But I did decide that perhaps in Italian, as in Spanish, the last vowel could change depending on, perhaps, gender of the word. In the end, I did get GAZPACHO into the grid correctly.

I like the idea of the theme, just not sure it was executed as nicely as it could have been. But thanks, David P. Williams, I appreciate your Thursday puzzle!

jb129 1:16 PM  

No complaints here - I liked it a lot. Best Thursday in a long time, Thank you, David :)

M and A 1:30 PM  

Kinda tricky puztheme, until one has the Ahar Moment ... then all that gets in yer way is the no-know names. Still, overall I kinda liked it.
fave no-know name: JJWhat?!?

One glaringly-omitted puzthemer:
{Uniform distribution} = ?*

staff weeject pick: IRL. Weren't real familiar with this initialism, but it's a good one to keep in mind, mainly cuz sosh media is now pledged to go into facts-don't-matter mode for the next 4 years.
IRL was part of the primo weeject stacks in the NW & SE, btw.

other fave stuff included: ERSATZ. ALLINALL. SOFTG clue.

Thanx for keepin NATO around, for a few more weeks, Mr. Williams dude. Cool theme idea.

Masked & Anonymo6Us

p.s.
* {Uniform distribution} = UNICLUEING. [And yo, @Gary Jugert dude]

... and now for the Romeo soliloquy ...

"Worth a Shot" [sic] - 7x7 themed Runt puzzle:

**gruntz**

Mike&Alfa

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