Hang with the boys, slangily / TUE 1-21-25 / Playground pathogen / Body personified by the Greek Titan Selene / Sit non-ergonomically / Marine photographer's aid
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
Constructor: Dan Caprera
Relative difficulty: Medium, maybe a little north of Medium
Theme answers:
- CORNER DRUGSTORE (17A: Convenient source of tinctures and tonics)
- LUIS FONSI (29A: Singer of "Despacito," which has more than eight billion views on YouTube)
- CARD TABLE (49A: Item with hinged legs)
- "OH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA..." (61A: "That's not even the half of it...")
In ancient Greek mythology and religion, Selene (/sɪˈliːniː/; Ancient Greek: Σελήνη pronounced [selɛ̌ːnɛː] seh-LEH-neh, meaning "Moon") is the goddess and personification of the Moon. Also known as Mene, she is traditionally the daughter of the Titans Hyperion and Theia, and sister of the sun god Helios and the dawn goddess Eos. She drives her moon chariot across the heavens. Several lovers are attributed to her in various myths, including Zeus, Pan, and the mortal Endymion. In post-classical times, Selene was often identified with Artemis, much as her brother, Helios, was identified with Apollo. Selene and Artemis were also associated with Hecate and all three were regarded as moon and lunar goddesses, but only Selene was regarded as the personification of the Moon itself.Her equivalent in Roman religion and mythology is the goddess Luna. (wikipedia)
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Non-consecutive circled squares, spelling things. There are probably less appealing theme types, but not many. There are a few problems here. First, the revealer is SCAVENGER HUNT, but ... there's no "HUNT." I don't have to "hunt" for anything. The circled squares tell me where the scavenger is. It's the opposite of a hunt. It's a found. "Found it, it's right here, in these circled squares." Second, only two of these "scavengers" really scream "scavenger!" CONDOR and HYENA, sure. CRAB, I guess. I mean, yes, OK, but that's not my first crab thought, or even my third or twelfth (please don't demand to see eleven other crab thoughts). The least "scavenger" of these, though, in my mind, is the LION. I've watched "Wild Kingdom," I know that LIONs hunt. And then the HYENAs come along and try to get a piece. The fact that LIONs *will* scavenge doesn't really put them in the same category as animals like the HYENA and CONDOR who are primarily scavengers. So, it's called SCAVENGER HUNT, but only half the animals seem like full-fledged scavengers ... and there's no hunt. Non-consecutive circled squares always seem like a low thematic bar. The letters "L" "I" "O" "N" must appear (in order) in tons of answers. LUIS FONSI? Sure. Also LITTLE ONES and FLIP PHONE and VIDALIA ONION and so on ad infinitum. Does not feel special at all to have found "L" "I" "O" "N" in any answer. The only themer here that feels like "ooh, nice find," is "OH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA." The "OH" feels a little tacked on, but it gets you the "H," and thus gets you a five-word answer, with one "HYENA" letter in each word. There's something special about that. There's nothing special about any of the rest of it.
The real nadir of this puzzle, and maybe all puzzles, is BRODOWN (36D: Hang with the boys, slangily). Just garbage. The bro- (bruh brah bruv) -ification of the puzzle is slightly out of hand, as are all these goofy slang terms that (some?) guys seem to need to describe merely hanging out together. I had to endure BRODATES just last Monday, and now you're trying to tell me there are actual human beings who use the term "BRODOWN." Make it stop. It's idiotic. Not All Debuts Are Good—once again I am tapping the sign. Sadly, BRODOWN is by far the most "interesting" (i.e. attention-getting) thing in the grid, outside the themers. What else is there? Two (2?!) Spice Girls clues? ADZ OVA MAO NCO CERA RVER ENE EWE ASP and other sundry bits of crosswordese? A single COOTIE? (11D: Playground pathogen). Hard to find stuff to like today. OMELETTEs. I like OMELETTEs. Wish there were a lot more going on this grid than there is.
I had more than a few hiccups today. EAT UP and SCARF before SNARF at 1A: Gobble. Failure to know my MELs at 15A: Name of Sporty Spice in the Spice Girls (MEL C) as well as failure to remember the Spice Girls song "2 BECOME 1" (46D: "2 ___ 1" (Spice Girls song)). ANYWAY before ANYHOO. SONAR before SCUBA (33D: Marine photographer's aid). Obviously no idea about the post-BRO part of BRODOWN (which I have been reading as a noun this whole time (like a "hoedown") but is actually a verb phrase, which is somehow worse). Add to that the fact that while I know "Despacito," I could not remember who sang it. He's been in the grid before, but just twice—once in LUIS form and once as FONSI. If LUIS FONSI had been in the clue and the answer had been "Despacito," I'd've been in great shape. But that's not what happened.
Bullets:
- 55A: Word after phone or, modernly, Zoom (SEX) — Zoom became so depressing as a facsimile of human interaction during peak COVID that I can't imagine wanting to use it for that purpose, but no judgment. If "webinar" is your kink, that's none of my business.
- 66A: Body personified by the Greek Titan Selene (MOON) — "Body" really threw me. Wanted something like "ocean." Definitely some body of water.
- 19D: Sit non-ergonomically (SLOUCH) — this clue feels like an accusation (I have to remind myself roughly 500 times per write-up to sit *up*).
Have a non-SLOUCHy day. See you next time.
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103 comments:
Did you notice that both MAO and CERA were repeated with almost the exact same clues from Sunday’s crossword!? I thought I was losing my mind!
I tried doing it down clues only but eventually gave up in the lower left, where it really didn't help that I had ANYHOW for 47 down. Because of that incorrect W, 69 across just had to be OWNS, so for the completely unknown "'2 ___ 1' Spice Girls song" looking at --CO-O all I could think was ROCOCO? COCOMO? And what the &%$#@ could 15 across MELC possibly stand for??? But I had all the theme answers right, and the revealer, and the theme (I agree it's a bit thin), so that's a partial success. Sometimes "downs-only" is great, sometimes not.
Hands up for BRO DATE at 36 down because we saw that so recently. Also took me quite a while to come up with RVER because I really don't think of a camper as an RV (recreational vehicle)... it's a structure lashed onto the back of a regular pickup truck, right? The vehicle is a "truck". Picky, picky.
[PS: in the spirit of Gary Jugert's combine-a-line uniclues...
I can't remember why, about 10 days ago I opened the Across Lite puzzle file in my programmer's text editor, which can open binary (non-text) files, and amongst the binary stuff you can see the entire grid mushed into a continuous string rendered as normal text. This is interesting because it mashes together any answers that aren't separated by a black square, even if they're on different rows. And some were rather funny... EDDIE LAMBSTEAK, SHOCKING VAPE, and DARN IT, ROBIN. Today we have ACTS ICIER and SEX CYLINDER. Just thought I'd mention it; that's all.]
Medium.
No erasures.
WOEs included LUIS FONSI, BECOME, BRO DOWN, TILE, and HAL.
I had the same thoughts as @Rex about LIONs.
Solid with not much junk, but i mostly agree with @Rex on this one.
SNARF?! Thank you to the letter N for snapping my 22-day streak. Grrr.
TWO Spice Girls clues in a TUESDAY grid made me want to do the opposite of SNARF!
HATED this one. Wound up with aHYOUHAVENOIDEA/BECaME and could not find the error, because it was garbage.... made me mad. You have no idea...
I know nothing about the military so DNF’d at the ScARF/cCO cross. I think of SNARF as more of a nasal thing, or a sound, or the Thundercats character. ScARF means to eat. Never heard of someone “SNARF-ing something down.” And no clue was NCO means versus cCO? All Greek to me.
I think LION is the "hunt" part of of the theme.
Snarf?! No.
Oof. Not really a Tuesday. Too much arcana, Spice girl references, the lesser known FONSI (I know the original is spelled with a Z), the addition of OH to YOUHAVENOIDEA, got in the way of my idea, Lumping in CRABs and LIONs with HYENAs - I’m not so sure. What about raccoons and vultures ??? It didn’t really matter because the themers were more or less irrelevant to the solve.
On the Easy side of Easy-Medium. Only one overwrite, @Rex Sonar before SCUBA at 33D, and one wOE, LUIS FONSI at 29A. Apparently I need to spend more time on YouTube taking underwater photos. I agree with OFL about 36D BRODOWN. WTF?!?
Rex nailed it. The NYT just makes these things too easy to not like. It’s unfortunate, but pretty constant. Day after day we see these self-inflicted wounds like BRODOWN. It’s even more sad because it’s so avoidable. They are flirting with unintentional self-parody territory. Kind of hard to witness and not feel like we have lost something special.
This was sorta OK for me for a Tuesday, at least it took me less than 10 minutes. But so many 3 letter entries! Entire rows of them. Those 4 rows have 10 threes and 2 fours. Brutal. A total of 24 three-letter words! Is that a record for the NYTimes Xword? Anyway.... Hope for something more scintillating tomorrow.
When I began to see the crosses for what would become BRODOWN, my mind said, “not really, please no” but that was the answer. Ugh and yuck.
Solved with only downs. Figured out the theme but still required almost everything to get CaRrdtABle. Same as Rex, crabs are not the first thing to come to mind for scavenger.
Reviewed the acrosses after because what is a melc? Always fun to see the clue reveals when you solve jeopardy style. Feels against the usual clueing spirit to have koi as the answer to nishikigoi when goi is the same word as koi - you just pronounce it with a g when it's in a compound. 鯉. Glad that solving downs avoided the repeated Mao/Cera someone else already noted
There’s another problem with this puzzle that Rex didn’t mention — two Naticks or close to Naticks. MELC crosses McGee at the C. How is one’s supposed to know Mel C is a name if you don’t know it’s McGee instead of Magee. And without knowing the song you don’t know if 40 down is became or become and oh, you have no idea could conceivably be ah, you have no idea, although I admit the former sounds better.
I thought ions meeting eons and era meeting Cera was pretty cool.
The only thing I like about BRODOWN is that it starts Aaron Copland’s music playing in my head.
Thanks for the Thundercats reference. Deep cut
I did.
Cool moment: I tried to guess the revealer after leaving it empty, couldn’t think of what the circled animals had in common, and as I sat in blankness, my eyes rested on OH YOU HAVE NO IDEA and it felt like the puzzle was saying “Gotcha!” Never had that happen before!
Also – and I liked this – the puzzle felt like an echo chamber. BARKS echoing yesterday’s dog puzzle. ASP, EWE, DOE, KOI, and even NOAH echoing the faunal theme. And TARTAR echoing the theme by doubling up on a notorious scavenger when read backward.
By the way, this theme uses 61 squares, and that’s a tough build. Bravo, Dan!
I also liked STALK crossing the LION answer. I laughed when the [Playground pathogen] turned out to be COOTIE. I smiled at the loveliness of CLEAVE and zippiness of WHAM. And what a lovely TIL from Dan’s notes that 40 percent of a lion’s diet comes from scavenging. Huh!
Lingering over the completed grid for a few moments, letting the brain scavenge for connections – well, for me, that often doubles the pleasure of the solve itself. It certainly did today. Thank you so much, Dan, for a splendid outing.
I had "Cena" instead of CERA, so RVER was the last thing I fixed. One nit...yes, a nuke is a weapon of mass destruction, but WMD is an abbreviation. Shouldn't the clue have said so? I also didn't like BRODOWN.
NCO = Noncommissioned Officer
So is nuke (nuclear).
Melc = Mel C or Melanie Chrisholm
BROfest before BRODOWN.
I don’t mind a harder puzzle on a Tuesday but this just was not “fun”. Agree about the crossword-ese, the spice girls references (too many), the LION (not a scavenger!) and the repeats from recent puzzles.
As bad as every day having a new version of bro is the fact that part of editing is not repeating exact clues/answers on consecutive days. Fairly egregious.
Would you let them get away with claiming that “Nuke” is an abbreviation in the clue? Seems plausible.
Same! I thought "CCO" worked as a cross. So frustrated.
¡Oh, no tienes idea!
Hm. Well. It's fine. Actually it's terrible. Whatevs.
☠️ MELC. 8 billion. Canine welcomes. BRODOWN.
❤️ Playground pathogen. ANYHOO.
Propers: 10 {boo}
Places: 0
Products: 5
Partials: 5
Foreignisms: 3
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Gary's Grid Gunk Gauge: 23 of 78 (29%)
Funnyisms: 1 🤨
Tee-Hee: TEE ZOOM SEX. {ew}
Uniclues:
1 Allow chaos (thanks to executive order probably).
2 What you wear to the docks.
3 What causes all the other reindeer to laugh and call Rudolph's girlfriend names.
1 FREE OF VISHNU
2 ANTESCUBA KILT
3 COOTIE NABS DOE
My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: One prepared to open a used book store. BUSINESS SCHOOL ROOKIE.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hey All !
Not sure anyone would've figured out the Theme without the circles. Mayyyyyyybe a clever riddle solver out there, but definitely not me. 😁
LUIS FONSI a new one here. Had the last letter as an A, because ALUMNA, didn't get the Happy Music, went back through puz to find the error, noticed it could be ALUMNI, and bam, Bob's your uncle.
Good old SNARF. In NYT puzzledom, eating is always SNARF, a neck wrap is always SCARF. For future reference.
Liked this easy puz. Sure, some dreck, but 99% of puzs have it, so just grimace and move on.
BRODOWN? Sure. Har.
ANYHOO (where's Claire?), nice solve, decent Theme, leaves some brain cells intact.
Happy Tuesday!
Two F's (And the feature letter in SB)
RooMonster
DarrinV
The Zoom clue made me think of Jeffrey Toobin. Ewww.
@okanaganer 1:27 AM
I've heard rumors of these so-called "SEX CYLINDERS."
If we can’t have ten crab facts, can we at least have three?
Well, hello to LUISFONSI, MELC, and HAL. My life is infinitely richer for having met you, Plus I learned a secret identity, a Spice Girls title, and what VISHNU does. All good to know.
High point for me was a chalk/blackboard clue crossing ANYHOO, as that word always has a fingernails on a blackboard effect on me. Anything with BRO attached is starting to do that too.
We just read an explanation on this blog of how the HYENA has been maligned. I expect a reprise today.
Some tidbits didn't really redeem this one for me, DC. A Decent Crossword but not high up on my list of favorites. Thanks for some fun anyway.
"Don't sell yourself short, judge. You're a tremendous SLOUCH."
I had a feeling that this puzzle would be savaged (seems like an appropriate word with SCAVENGER THEME) and I probably liked it better than most here. I was pleased that I knew enough about Spice Girls to fill in MEL and look for the cross to decide MELb vs MELC. I was also oddly pleased to see ANYHOO rather than ANYwho (just wrong!).
I’m currently on a campaign (well, just here) to abolish the use of COOTIE. Many of us can get bent out of shape about “non-woke” words/clues…but damn…the “playground” pronouncement of “they’ve got” or “you have” Cooties is just the epitome of bullying whether it refers to lice, “germs,” or whatnot. I seek a world with no COOTIE accusations!
I notice it so often in NYTXWs. The same random answer will pop up multiple times in a short period and then disappear again for a while. (Well, except for ACER, that never leaves.) There must be some reason for it but I don’t know what it is.
Despite the PPP I kinda liked this puzzle for some of the funny slang such as COOTIE and SNARF, and ANYHOO, one of @Claire’s favorite references. Also liked the easy-on-the tongue long themers and revealer, much like @Lewis. Then I read @Rex’s take-down and thought “bummer”, puzzle was pretty much a technical wasteland. One of those puzzles where a wide variety of reactions seem valid.
Yet again another constructor who I can only imagine with ear buds permanently implanted in his ears and Spotify permanently wired to his pillow.
Ignoring the many other pop culture answers, there are five (5!!!) pop singer/song-related clues in the puzzle. This is at least four too many for my liking. Why do I resent so much being dragged kicking and screaming into this pop song-saturated world as though pop songs and those that sing them are simply the most important matters in the entire world?
I don't know. I just do. And I didn't like the totally ignorable tiny little circles either.
I’m glad @Rex labelled this Medium (or tougher) because I was slow. Hobbled myself in the center with [Fish also called a nishikigoi] by mechanically sticking in “eel” as the answer to all 3-letter fish clues. Oops, or not. Temporarily forgot about those orange Japanese ornamental pond fish with the shy-sounding name. That error didn’t last too long because I was pretty sure of licenses being REVOKED and poets saying ANON. Another misstep was reading the clue [Use an ax on, perhaps] as if the word “ox” was in it. (Time for an eye test?) “Use an ox on” in 6 letters?? So, pLough? Furrow? Harrow? Yikes, re-read the clue already.
Felt pretty neutral about the theme. Certainly a tried and true type. It sent me down a rabbit-hole of scavenger types. Obligate scavengers, who scavenge exclusively and never kill their own prey – think vultures. Facultative scavengers, who scavenge when necessary, but can also hunt – think bears. And Opportunistic hunters, who don't plan to hunt, but will hunt if they have the opportunity – think jackals. (The foregoing was brought to you by Generative AI.)
Agree with @Rex about the odious BRODOWN. I’d never heard it and wish we’d kept it at that. @Rex may be broad-mindedly withholding judgement about Zoom SEX, but I say – NO! I see all that hardware and software as dividing potential partners rather than uniting them, and destroying what little sense of intimacy could possibly exist in a digital boudoir.
• Loved OH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. That’s sometimes just the perfect way to convey the unutterable.
• ACTS made me remember the time my sister and I decided to memorize in order all the books of The Bible. I don’t recall why: we weren’t remotely religious. Perhaps it seemed like a good memory exercise. For some reason, I remember the Old Testament much better than the New. Those names are more colorful somehow – and more rhythmic. The sequence EZRA-NEHEMIAH-ESTHER-JOB has a particular swing to it, I always think. Anyway, knowing the books of The Bible has stood me in good stead with crossword puzzles, a benefit I didn’t foresee when I was 10.
• So, VISHNU’s avatars restore cosmic order, eh? Bring them on.
@Nancy: I'll direct this question to you since I think you once said you solve with a PEN. Do you verify that all crossings are feasible before you write your answer? I see so many comments regarding initial errors. If I make a mistake and change it, I consider that a non-perfect solve. Do you? Do you think most solvers just keep guessing until they get it right?
While I agree with you, I assumed COOTIE to be pretty tame considering the other things kids might hear on the playground these days.
~RP nailed it again.
Nothing to add, except a few uniclues @GaryJugert missed:
1- (1,6,10A): Scoff and boff legislation
2- (20,21A): Eggs ala Tiger
3- (46,49A): What Fido does on the bridge
4- (56,59A): Springroll maker
5- (66,67,68A): Bladerunners on a clear night.
1. SNARF WHAM ACTS
2. TEE OMELETTE
3. BARKS [AT] CARD TABLE
4. CYLINDER WOK
5. MOON OVER PLOWS
For Anonymous and Southside Johnny: I don't think "nuke" is an abbreviation for "nuclear" in this instance. The clue said, "nuke, e.g." which suggested a noun like "nuke." But "nuclear" is an adjective, not a noun. You wouldn't say a "nuclear" is a weapon of mass destruction, because "nuclear" DESCRIBES a weapon of mass destruction.
If you can name ALL the books, that’s impressive. While I can reel off the NT in order, I’d struggle to get more than the greatest hits in the Old. You may have given me a good way to challenge myself though.
I remember, I think, seeing a nature special 30 years ago or so where they followed HYENAs and found that they often killed animals, at which point the ION's chased them off and ate most of them, while the HYENAS hung around in the background till the LIONs had had enough and let them have the last few bones and tendons. Rather ignoble.
kinda sucked. they really want us to know that warhol painted mao these last two weeks, and that michael cera is in barbie. 2 spice girls clues? and a bunch of military crap. no thanks
Summary of Gerhard Weinberg's "A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II" for the TL/DR crowd: TROOPS KILT. WMD. OVER.
Too bad it's not Clare's guest day since she always throws in a ANYHOO.
Neither EONS NOR IONS are things to RELYON, IMHO. I think RELYON is the first new Noble gas discovered in the CERA ERA.
Is a BRODOWN the same as a MOON (aka B.A.)? Asking for a bruh.
Things seem a little ICIER of late between me and Mrs. Egs. Like last night when we were in bed and she said, "Tell me when the SEX ACTS are OVER." "OHYOUHAVENOIDEA?" I asked incredulously. "No" she murmured, "I'm generally aware of the WHAM, but I'm asleep by the time the Bam, Thank you Ma'am arrives."
I guess that since most everything I eat was killed by someone else, I must be a SCAVENGER. I agree with the "this dog don't HUNT" take on the puzzle. Just seemed tired.
Oh, what in the world is WHAM, an English pop duo with a completely unknown 1984 hit? I had it as WgAM, having thought the hoagie was a gyRO (leaving the spice girl equally believable. at MyLC).
to RP's point, there are 10,593 (!!) entries in Peter Broda's word list that match the L-I-O-N pattern. that's insane. this is not theme material. and, to boot, we get "LUIS FONSI"? wtf
Had not solved the puzzle since Friday, so this was my Monday. Like Nancy, I cringe when I see circles but forged head. The theme turned out to be one that made me squint, which is never a good sign. My thought was just … four animals … as I didn’t immediately think of any of them specifically as a SCAVENGER. And even conceding that fact, the LION still didn’t seem right. Why would the king of the jungle need to scavenge for anything? Then thought okay, maybe he’s supposed to represent the HUNT part of the revealer. ANYHOO that was my take on the theme.
Bit of a Natick at 6D/15A which seems ridiculous in retrospect, but I don’t know one Spice Girl from another or my 1984 English pop duos and I couldn’t get past NUKE for anything except cooking. I thought BRODOWN was icky but that was before I got to Zoom SEX. I had NO IDEA. Just out of curiosity, does that involve a CARD TABLE? Or a MOON?
MELC=MelC=What?
I’m a young adult who spends a lot of time online and I feel qualified to categorically say that ZOOM SEX and BRODOWN are not things that anyone says, ever.
Took the words out of my mouth, was sure Mr MAGEE was in the song, MEL A____ was a spice girl and the song was BECAME. BRODOWNcis an abomination, but could have been better clued as "Cry when one of a group of friends is shot?"
Too lazy to google - what's the difference between Michael CERA & Michael CENA?
BARKS are "Canine welcomes?" More often warnings. I had the -KS and said "OH, please be licKS!" Doggy kisses are the best.
Well I guess I'm the outlier...I thought this rated some cool beans. I saw my first CONDOR at the CORNER DRUG STORE and thought for many a minute. Why, pray tell, is the CONDOR in the drug store? Oh, wait!...A LION is sitting inside LUIS FONSI. I also liked the CRAB sidling across a CARD TABLE. Except.......I had CARt TABLE. The boys hanging out did some BRO TOWN stuff. I guess I should remember that they DOWN and not tOWN. Then the elusive, maligned HYENA, gets the OH YOU HAVE NO IDEA! See? That deserves a SNARF here and some WHAM ACTS.
SCAVENGER HUNT indeed!. And just to make it more delectable we have a COOTIE here, a MELC there and Janis singing about some MCGEE. I am WOK! I even can see a MOON OVER PLOWS.
@okanaganer. Hah! You and @Gary J should join up for some fandango tango fun and have LUIS FONSI croon a few tunes.
BRO AGAIN??
I have no idea who LUIS FONSI is, never remember who the "Michael's" are (who seem to appear every other day like BRO) - CERA & CENA or which one is of "Barbie" fame. And like @Nancy I'm not fond of 'circles' in puzzles. I solved it as a themeless.
Looked it up. All scavengers including lions who are scavengers lite!
I'm missing something. Reading the circled letters in each line, I get
CONDO
LION
CRAB
HYENA
I can buy the last two as scavengers, but lions kill and eat their meat, and condo?
Well, as I said in my late post last night, my wits are still addled as I recover from pneumonia, so maybe I'm just not seeing it. I did like the idea of the CORNER DRUGSTORE. My father owned a drugstore in a small town (7,000), where there certainly was not a drugstore on every corner, but it's a nice idea. Imagine how impressed I was when I first came to New York and discovered that there was one of everything on every corner. What a little population density will do! It was never quite like that here in Boston, but the corner drugstore has pretty much been wiped out everywhere. Curses to you, CVS!
It took way to long for me to parse OH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA, (see addled wits, above) but it's a lovely long etry. And I enjoyed thinking about how egg foo yong is really an OMELETTE.
If onlh I'd known about WHAM and LUIS FONSI, I think this might have been an easy puzzle. It was a fun one, anyway.
Definitely noticed both of them individually, but the experience blended together in my head. Yikes…both of them!
Agreed! Adding the fact that I didn’t know WHAM, it was an ugly triple natick for me that, when taken together, felt very un-Tuesday. There were some other things I didn’t know in here (LUISFONSI already has some shout-outs), but they were fairly crossed enough to make them Tuesday-appropriate.
All the comments I would say about the puzzle have already been said, but I’ll just add here that Rex’s non-judgy bewilderment about Zoom SEX made the slog of the puzzle worth it for me. The suggestion of a “webinar…kink” gave me the good chuckle that I can get from the more clever puzzles.
As soon as I looked at Rex I saw that the first scavenger was CONDOR, not CONDO. I had filled in that R, and it was circled, but somehow didn't notice it.
My positive view hasn't changed, but a couple of points. First, aren't those Warhol series (Mao, Marilyn, Campbell's soup) prints, rather than paintings? I thought that was the whole point.
And second, is a WOK an "accessory" for making stir-fry? That seems to belittle it too much, to my ear. I'd call it a "need."
You are probably right Whatsername, and that is a sad thought indeed.
Sooo ...
there's 4 main kinds of early-weak xword puzthemes:
1. What do the last parts of themers have in common.
2. What do the first parts of themers have in common.
3. What do the first & last parts of themers have in common.
4. What do the circled parts of themers have in common.
Kinda need a new in-common puztheme mcguffin, of some sort. How'bout...
1. What do each weeject in the puz have in common? [other than runtiness]
2. What do all entries containin 2 "U's" have in common? [besides the U's]
LION is a scavenger? Weak kitty juice. If you want a major-league scavenger, look no further than this imbedded critter:
TENOR ACCORDION = ?*
staff weeject picks: SIC NCO AIR. Cuz they helped build my fave puz entry today: SNARF. Nice weeject stack there, along with the SE one.
Nuthin real tricky in this solvequest, except for the usual no-know barbarian horde. [yo, LUIS FONSI, et al.] Don't recall any ?-marker clues at all.
Thanx, Mr. Caprera dude. Nice circle of scavengers puz, if U coulda replaced LUIS the LION-hearted.
Masked & Anonymo5Us
p.s.
* = RACCOON, of course.
... scavenged-up runt ...
"Light Sleeping" - 7x7 themed runt puzzle:
**gruntz**
M&A
I really loved that book Three Days of the Condo. Glad to see CONDOs finally being recognized for the scavengers they are. One took almost all my money when it burned down while uninsured!
@jb129 The difference is there is no Michael Cena of note? Perhaps you are thinking of wrestler/actor John Cena?
Cute idea to turn SCAVENGER HUNT into a search for actual SCAVENGERs, with the HUNT part being made simple by Tuesday-level circles. On the other hand, for me CONDOR, CRAB, and LION don't immediately leap to mind at the word "scavenger," so I shouldn't scorn the assistance in locating them. Highlight: HYENA hidden in OH YOU HAVE NO IDEA. Also liked SLOUCH.
Help from previous puzzles: CERA. No idea: WHAM, MEL C, LUIS FONSI.
Too many names.
Haven't been on a scavenger hunt since I was a teen and I'm not about to now.
I solved as a themeless, ignoring those silly WS-ERA bubbles. Even so, I was annoyed by much of the fill, as was OFL.
For Whatshername and M and A: I think "scavenger" can apply to any mammal that kills other creatures for food.
To follow up on @Greater Fall River...10:00AM comment, the HYENA has a habit of raising a loud ruckus, lots of BARKS and yips, after making a kill. Any LIONs in the area will hear this, come over and chase off the HYENAs and settle down for a free meal. (The term for this is kleptoparasitism.)
Safari operators or nature film crews ("Wild Kingdom" for example) will also hear this uproar and by the time they arrive on the scene they witness the LIONs chowing down and the HYENAs circling the area, waiting for the LIONs to leave. It looks like they are SCAVENGERs.
But as ethologist Hans Kruuk found in his study of the HYENA in the Serengeti and reported in his book The Spotted Hyena, they are true predators in the same class as LIONS, wolves, and the like. The link above in blue has a summary of Kruuk's book.
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Hi, @oco-plus-all-those letters -- I usually check one letter on a Monday or Tuesday and 2 letters later in the week before writing anything in. Unless the answer is a real slam dunk. But I've been burned occasionally when an answer I thought was a slam-dunk proved to not be all that slam-dunky. I absolutely DON'T consider making a mistake and changing it -- on my own, without looking anything up -- to be a "non-perfect" solve. Just a messier solve.
Yep, currently naturalists classify hyenas as mainly excellent pack hunters who scavenge oppurtunistically. Female lions are also good pack hunters whereas male lions mostly scavenge (or steal the female's kills).
Anonymous 2:55 AM
The Times puzzle likes SNARF
It seems to appear more often than scarf. Knowing this I put down snarf immediately even before I saw NCO. NCO itself is used often., especially when sgts etc appear in the clue.
Michael Cera=skinny/intellectual/nerd (Juno, Superbad,Scott Pilgrim). John Cena=musclular/dumb/action (Trainwreck, Suicide Squad, Fast&Furious 9&10)
Anonymous 5:40 AM
SNARF may be a No to you. I don’t think I use it. But it exists despite wishful thinking. So it is a valid answer. There are what 340,000,000 people in this country. And they all don’t speak like you or me If you do crosswords, you have to get used to words like that.
Mark et al
McGee is not really a natick.
For Boomers and older genxers, it is an extremely well known song
It was perhaps the equally famous Janis Joplin’s biggest hit.
It’s a question of age. The comments here reminded me I am old! If a large part of the solvers know an answer well, it is not a natick. At least according to Rex’s written definition. Like a rap name that would be a gimme for younger people and a total unknown for many older people.
Lewis said 40% of the lion’s diet is scavenged. Close enough for crosswords
@Gary Jugert 8:37 am... not just rumors, it's called an "orgasmatron". Here is a video!
RooMonster
FWIW alumna is the singular feminine version of alumnus.
Alumni is plural version of alumnus. So it had to be i.
@Steve Washburne 10:55 - I meant to thank you for the laugh for "BRO DOWN!"
crabs and lions are not scavengers how this passed muster I dunno
As usual, I liked it better than Rex.
He went on about hunt. Don’t see the problem. The clue is for an activity in a camp. The answer is fine. And you do have to spell out the scavengers.
Lewis said lions are often scavengers ( 40% of their food in fact.) As noted wildlife shows often depict the hyenas or other smaller predators killing a prey. Then the lions drive them away and eat the kill. Close enough for crosswords.
@Karl Grouch 9:45 AM
#3! Dy-No-Mite
@okanaganer 2:52 PM
You know there's no way I'm clicking on that video link, right?! Now that we're in the age of government by clown car, I'm suddenly qualified to run for office, so I'm keeping my internet browsing history cylinder free.
While the theme didn’t provide any surprises, or really anything one would beed to “hunt,” I liked the fill for a Tuesday. Well, except for BRODOWN. The apparent plethora of BRO-isms out there . . . just yuck. It’s just not necessary and those words are pretty meaningless. Oops, my training in and penchant for accurate communication is showing. Sorry if I offended anybody. Not much time today, off to take my granddaughter to the dentist for her first filling. What a way to tarnish my “cool Grandma image!
Cooties,or lice,are not pathogens although they may transmit pathogens. The term was coined in the trenches of WW 1.
Well…
After further semi-extensive research, M&A has reached the conclusion that LIONs & CRABs will scrounge up dead things to eat, if the need/opportunity arises. Even tho such scavengin might not be their most well-known dinin option.
Still admire the RACCOON critters the most, for the purity of their scavengin approaches. Also DUNGBEETLEs — but then, some critters just don’t fit well inside themer answers…
M&A Info Scavengin Dept.
@Gary Jugert.. you kid!... I think... but actually no nudity in the scene (the cylinder door is opaque). From Woody Allen's 1973 film Sleeper, if anyone's curious.
Good enough for me (and maybe Bobby McGee) for a Tuesday, I liked it more than @Rex did. Mind you I was bothered by the same things but I guess they didn't bother me quite as much. Like others - TWO Spice Girls clues??? One would have been too much for me. When I saw MELC - I thought something must be wrong. So, VERY painfully, changed MCGEE to MAGEE - a song I know and love very well (Janis Joplin, Kris Kristofferson - who penned the tune, and The Grateful Dead). I took a second look and knew that couldn't be right and changed it back to MELC and just shrugged. I just didn't care enough to look it up and knew I'd learn about it here. I didn't know most of the other propers but crosses were fair enough.
Favorite long was OHYOUHAVENOIDEA, though like Rex, the tag- along OH bugs me a bit but you need what you need to make the grid work so no harm no foul from my POV.
I hope I never see that same clue for SEX again. It's fine from a crossword perspective, but just thinking about...oh you have no idea!
Re "Close enough for crosswords": I disagree. Even allowing that predation and scavenging are opposite ends of a spectrum of behaviors, rather than mutually exclusive categories, lions are an exceedingly poor example of the scavenging way of life (condors, on the other hand, are a very good example). Lions are apex predators who will also opportunistically scavenge, or steal kills from lower predators (as will most predators). It's a fundamentally different way of life from that of an obligate scavenger.
I’ve noted this phenomenon too. It feels like it Shortz’s way of “teaching” the solving base a “new” word or fact. Always strikes me as forced and somewhat odd.
Absurd to expect us to know the name of a Spice Girl. Who are the members of Aerosmith? The Beach Boys? Etc. We might know the leader’s name, but other than the Beatles, what group is there where the names of all its members are common knowledge?
Mel B, Mel C, Victoria (Beckham), Emma. I'm missing one, but that's from memory.
Older GenXer here. MaGEE felt wrong but plausible, especially the way Janis pronounces it in the song. I thought the cross was a first name, not name+initial. So A (wrong but plausible).
I had a few problems. First, confidently put in "canter" for GALLOP. Canter is of course the proper pace for a point to point race, perhaps the five or ten mile race immortalized by Stephen Foster in Camptown Races. Or the races you see in British TV adaptations of classic novels of a century or more ago. We Americans have mile long tracks where the horses GALLOP, then on to the next race.
Second, put in TYkO instead of TYCO. Reason: Can't read my own writing. If I could, SAMBUCA would have gone right in. My Italian American brother in law was a huge SAMBUCA fan, and the only time I ever had it was at his house. Never actually had it in Italy, and in my experience a lot of Italians don't need to end their meals with an anise drink. Whereas, a meal is not really over in the South of France until you've had your Pernod or other drink that tastes like licorice.
Could constructors use AI? It would explain repeat clues…
It’s not the name that’s a Natick, it’s whether it’s Magee or McGee, two very common spellings. Crossed with Mel A vs Mel C. Seems like the ultimate Natick to me.
Adamant agreement will all that Rex said about the theme type and the ridiculous BRO DOWN. Disagreement about lions and hyenas, though. The former scavenge more than most people relialize, and the latter hunt more than most people realize. Reasonable to call them both hunter-scavengers.
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