Smallish smart device from Amazon / SAT 8-31-24 / 10-point play / Liquid found in some pens / Rapper who shares his name with the 29th president / Some start-up funding, in brief / Franchise that moved back to Vegas in 2021 / Reach for the cars? / Drink once sold as Fruit Smack
Saturday, August 31, 2024
Constructor: Sam Ezersky
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Word of the Day: WARREN G (44A: Rapper who shares his name with the 29th president) —
Warren Griffin III (born November 10, 1970) is an American rapper, record producer, and DJ who helped popularize West Coast hip hop during the 1990s.[2] A pioneer of G-funk, he attained mainstream success with his 1994 single "Regulate" (featuring Nate Dogg). He is credited with discovering Snoop Dogg, having introduced the then-unknown rapper to record producer Dr. Dre.
His debut studio album, Regulate... G Funk Era (1994), debuted at number two on the US Billboard 200, selling 176,000 in its first week. The album has since received triple platinum certification by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), signifying sales of three million copies. "Regulate" spent 18 weeks within the top 40 of the BillboardHot 100, with three weeks at number two, while its follow-up, "This D.J.", peaked at number nine. At the 37th Annual Grammy Awards, both songs received nominations for Best Rap Performance and Best Rap Solo Performance, respectively. (wikipedia)
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OK, let's hit the trouble spots. Lucked out on my first pass at the NW, where I did my usual "work the short crosses first" thing and all three short crosses came up correct!
EMU JAG UGG! Right off the bat, bang, we've got traction! I had no idea there were four specific, named (!) shapes of MCNUGGETS. I thought they were just random blobs, but then I haven't eaten them since high school, so I'm certainly no Nugficionado. No Nuggeteer, I. All I know is "-UGG-" gave me MCNUGGETS and I was on my way. That corner was tough, but gettable, with the S/Z question at 7D: Name that's another form of Agnes (INEZ) being the only real potential puzzle-killer. I wouldn't even know INES was a name if crosswords hadn't taught it to me, whereas INEZ was my grandmother's name. I wrote in INES but STI-wasn't giving me any ideas at 19A: 10-point play and then I realized "oh, we're doing the Scrabble thing again." Yet another way this puzzle is interested in things I'm not interested in. But I do know that a Z-TILE is worth ten points, so ... there we go. Seems like there's a non-zero chance that at least one solver out there ended up wondering how the hell STILE was a [10-point play]. If that person is you, I see you, and I understand.
So there were minor struggles, but the first Major struggle came in the SW, which I was sure I was going to sail through. I'd already thrown down LOUNGEWEAR (great answer) and WARREN G (I was like "WARREN G!? Jesus H! The pop culture / rapper haters are gonna be mad today!"), and I had the "WHAT?" part of what really seemed like it was going to be some version of "SAY WHAT?," so I was feeling pretty good. But then "SAY WHAT?" wouldn't fit. And "O, SAY WHAT?" felt preposterous. "O SAY can you see...," sure, but "O, SAY WHAT?," that felt wrong. The "O" was rock solid, but those other letters, yikes.
Worse, though, was the NE, where ... looks like I managed to get Z-TILE and KOOL-AID, but that's as far as I could press into that section at first. Momentum just died. Couldn't see ALASKANS because wow, that clue (26A: They're on their own time). I think I just didn't know Alaska had its own time zone (is that right?). Even with the first "A" and the “K" in place, nothing. And ECHO DOT, forget it (30A: Smallish smart device from Amazon). I don't know what these stupid devices are all called. Too many, can't keep track, don't want any gadgets in my house spying on me for Big Algorithm (any more than there already are—god save me from "smart" devices). And that brings me to the other longer answer that could've given me access to that corner, but didn't. And it's the worst answer in the grid. By far. I mean, the worst. And that answer is FRESH SALAD. I *had* the SALAD part, so how hard could the answer be!? Answer: extremely. Because who would guess that the answer would be something as inane and generic and not-a-thing as FRESH SALAD. What is that? What are these unfresh salads that people (implicitly) consume? I was like "PASTA SALAD? GREEN SALAD? ... CHEF'S SALAD? BERRY SALAD!?" The answer may as well have been TASTY SALAD for all that FRESH SALAD makes any standalone sense. I don't think I've ever resented a crossword answer this much. All that work, all that added difficulty, so that I could get ... FRESH?! And the clue. That "Leaves" trick is old as the hills, that wasn't a problem. The problem was "just in time for dinner" did nnootthhiinngg to indicate the idiocy that is FRESH. But I managed to conquer that corner by the grace of a very real and non-idiotic green food—that's right, by the grace of AVOCADO, hallowed be its name (11D: The Mexican state of Michoacán produces 5.5+ billion pounds of this annually). Really got me out of a jam there. Is there anything AVOCADO can't do? Truly a miracle ... fruit? (It's a fruit, right?)
Bullets:
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld
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- 10A: [I can't hear you!] ("LA LA...") — you have to imagine someone plugging their ears and saying way more "LA"s for this clue to fully make sense, but it's still kind of clever
- 53D: Teacher's handwritten note by an awkward sentence (REDO) — I've never (hand)written this "note" in my life, and I've graded a lot of papers. The industry standard in this situation is not REDO, but AWK. You should probably be more specific, but sometimes, you just throw your hands up and write AWK.
- 57A: Line outside a box office ("ONE, PLEASE") — I had the "PLEASE" but held back on writing in the number because I held out some hope that the moviegoer had a date. But sadly, no. Or happily no (I *love* to go to the movies alone, though mostly I go with my wife, which I also love—we saw Between the Temples yesterday (darker—and infinitely socially awkwarder—than I thought it was gonna be, but still delightful, and genuinely funny), and we're seeing Blink Twice today)
- 35D: One party to 2020's Abraham Accords: Abbr. (UAE) — I had the "U" and wrote in USA. I don't know what these Accords are. I'm guessing the "Abraham" was supposed to indicate to me that Israel was involved. Yes? [looks it up]. Yes. They involve Arab-Israeli diplomatic relations.
- 27D: Drink once sold as Fruit Smack (KOOL-AID) — I had the "-L-ID" part and while the answer should've been obvious, I initially went looking for some kind of FLUID. I love that the original name of KOOL-AID had the slang term for heroin right in the name. "Yeah, your kids are gonna love it, Really love it, and yeah, it's horrible for them, but they're still gonna want it, a lot, like ... a lot, so ... well, good luck with that."
See you next time.
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129 comments:
Toughest puzzle in a long time! But still fun. Great Saturday challenge.
Wonderful challenge and only one mistake... Yup you guessed it. I figured a STILE was some ten point effort in a game I didn't know... Oh well
It's my own fault, but ENSILO and STILE looked like plausible words in a way that ENSILE and ZTILE did not. So I wasted at least 5 minutes putting faith in the wrong INES and believing that Amazon had named one of its products the OCHO DOT, presumably to appeal to the large Hispanic population.
I've spent decades in the high school English mines, and I bristled at REDO fully as much as you did. (Also 100% accurate re: the lazy/hurried AWK).
Finally, as someone who lived in Japan for half a decade and who used to teach college, absolutely no one—neither connoisseurs nor frat boys—would ever refer to sake as a "shot." That clueing was so unnatural and incorrect that it made the solve more arduous. And when better-than-average knowledge of a clue's subject makes the clue *harder?* That's...bad.
Challenging, and a real sense of accomplishment when I finished - but jeez, some of those answers are god-awful. Rex mentions most of them but not one of the worst - SOOTS. The chimney SOOTS Santa Claus on his way down? C’mon, that is not a verb, or at least not one anyone has ever used IRL.
That was one of many times when I saw an answer and said, “It’s not really going to be … , is it?” And it always was. ENSILE?!?! FRESH SALAD?!?! (Spot on, Rex!) AMNESIC?!?! I could see that one had something to do with amnesia, but “amnesiac” didn’t fit. Never heard of AMNESIC. And the answer to “[I can’t hear you]” only works with at least three LAs. You would never say “LA LA” period when doing this.
Never heard of GALOPS either - horse dancing? Luckily I have heard of the rapper and I knew the president’s middle initial was G, otherwise that could have been a Natick. Palops, salops, jalops … whatever.
There were a lot of good answers and clues in this, and I did appreciate that it was difficult. But those awful answers are what sticks in my memory. Maybe I can become AMNESIC now and forget them.
Sam and I are just not of the same voice - it takes me some time in all his grids to settle in - today was no different. Thankfully there were plenty of gimmes - NIHILO, PEDIATRIC, CRO MAGNON, WARREN G etc. helped the flow.
FRESH Garbage
Had many of the same reactions as Rex - the opening V cross was unique but unlikable. LOUNGEWEAR is neat and I love AVOCADO since I eat one a day. Had to think back to Spellbound - imposter came to mind first. Another useless Scrabble reference.
Not a bear - but enjoyable enough Saturday morning solve. We get an actual Stan Stumper today with 5 spanners - a different level hard.
Drivin N Cryin
Suze! The only cocktail I ever made with it that I liked much only had maybe a half ounce at most. It was gin (I think I used The Botanist), an ounce of fresh ruby red grapefruit juice, and that bit of Suze. I had one regular that I made it for that would always ask for "that one cocktail." A nice, summery drink.
Spelling Bee is quite demanding and a long endeavor some days if one wishes to find all the words.
And, anything that gets young people into word games is fair game by me.
While I don’t love it, I believe that “Leaves, just in time..” refers to the fact that they are “fresh” because their time is right.
Don’t get me wrong, I like a good challenge. But as soon as I saw who the constructor was, I decided to turn autocheck on the MOMENT I started. Plenty of groaning and I actively chose not to have the actual Saturday solving experience for once.
I KNEW right away that INEs and ENSILo were wrong… glad I didn’t waste my time with those. Don’t like the forced Z with ZTILE given that STILE x INES was an option.
Also, I knew that FAVES was right and I did think FRESH SALAD expecting it to be wrong (@Rex), so imagine my surprise when it wasn’t. Same with ARCTICA, which I blindly guessed from just -RC-.
SOOTS? IS BIG? The clue on ETA? Come on.
I did have a little fun with my ECHOsomething shots in the dark… ECHOLET (which told me the T was right) then ECHOBIT and finally ECHOANT… yes, really.
Hi Rex -- Funny! Ines with an S was my grandmother's name! I'd never seen it with a Z before crosswords.
“Oh, a time-to-sequester puzzle” was my first thought upon seeing Sam’s name atop a Saturday. Shut the door. Encase myself in an imaginary shroud. Relax. Let the subconscious lead.
Things I know in advance. There will be no junk in the grid. None, because Sam. There will be tons of NYT debut answers, which means my brain will get to improvise. There will be many tough clues requiring multiple visits.
And so it was. I’d be working in one quadrant, when I’d peek into another and suddenly see an answer that had eluded me. It might beget yet another or even a mini-splat of answers until boom I’d hit the wall of stuckness once again.
Then back to the sweet work of overcoming the vacuum. My brain, throughout, spinning like a gyroscope, inquiring, working behind the scenes, looking at clue words suspiciously, gambling on guesses, leaping at successes. The Ezersky experience.
And NYT answer debuts? Fifteen! Fifteen! A grid popping with freshness. So many lovely debuts, too, such a HAIL A CAB, IS BIG, LOUNGEWEAR, SAKE BAR, YAS QUEEN. Crossnerd me calculated that in the first five columns of the grid, three-quarters of the letters belonged to debut answers. Wow!
An epic outing peppered with discovery and thrills, and leaving my brain fat and happy. Thank you so much for this, Sam!
I didn’t have much success but enjoyed it for some reason - the grid looks like it’s half English and half some made-up language. It would a have been a nice touch if the constructor had found room to sneak ESPERANTO into the grid as well.
As it is, we have VCMONEY, NIHILO and YASQUEEN leading us out of the NW. The NYT crew can try to convince me that SOOTS is a real word all that they want - I’ll just sit there SMH to at least indulge their text-speak fetish. ZTILE, LALA and ECHODOT round out the NE nicely.
Further hilarity ensues as we move south of the equator and encounter the likes of RIMA, GALOPS, ELLER, IBIZA and everyone’s sentimental favorite WARRENG.
I remember watching Spellbound, which was already ancient when I watched probably 30 years ago - huge kudos to anyone with sufficient recall of the plot that they were able drop AMNESIC in without much effort.
I usually write the entire word - next time I'll try AWK.
Hand up for sTILE, figured it was some kind of subway action game 😊
Not typically a fan of Sam’s puzzles (no doubt influenced by the arbitrary word lists of SB), but Rex nailed the experience with his Suze analogy. Stop, no don’t stop, yuck, keep going. In the end, I did enjoy it. And, yes, an appropriate Saturday difficulty.
Generally agree with Rex’s other points and while AVOCADO saved me in the NE as well, for some reason the singular irritated me. I get it was clued with “this” instead of “these”, so you’re talking the avocado industry as a whole. But, by way of example, you would never ask “How many pounds of orange does Florida produce?” Anyway, I know that’s a me problem, and a nuanced one at that, but I am who I am, and it grated.
Liked the clues for STOPWATCH, ASSISTS and LOUNGEWEAR.
Struggled with this one and had to google a few to finish.
In 1993 I wrote a newsletter in an office in DC. On deadline day (Thursday), the editor would mark it up and write FAX ME REDO on the top. Then he'd go home and I'd rewrite it and fax back and forth until it got his approval. Sometimes took until midnight.
Um, Prof Parker, isn’t saying that your wife is someone “which you love” AWK? Awkward!
Longest solve time ever. Punishing. But I powered through. Not really that fun?
Agreed on both counts, but I would omit "young" in the second point.
“And when better-than-average knowledge of a clue’s subject makes the answer harder?” Is the best quote I’ve seen on this page. Except I would change the next line to: “…that’s good,” not bad.
Medium for a Saturday, an old-time, "classic" NYT Saturday.
Overwrites:
7D: I put in INEZ, then decided that ZT wasn't a promising word beginning so I changed it to INEs before realizing it was INEZ crossing Z-TILE.
36D: RoMA before RIMA
46D: poLkaS before GALOPS
50A: @Rex ADD oNS before ADD INS
WOEs:
2D: ARCTICA (easily inferred)
44A: The rapper WARREN G (not so easily inferred)
Please use SOOTS in a sentence that someone might actually say. Yeah...I couldn't either. Again, NYT just making shi - er, making stuff up.
Rarely has one mistake INES led to me being so stymied for such a long time. Still trying to understand the meaning of LAC to the Quecois. Little help?
how can ROOTS (pl) be the Origin (sing.)? Wny is 'FAVES' not clued with a 'for short' or something? Terrible puzzle, for these and many other reasons articulated above. Not fun at all.
I figured I was going to come here to learn how a sTILE was a 10-point play, but figured it out when I didn’t get the happy music.
My other challenge was miscounting presidents and grumbling that I’ve never heard of “WilsoN W.” I relish Mencken’s scathing writing about WARREN G but for some reason when I’m recalling presidents he’s not one I come up with.
As with spelling bee, Sam's choice of 'common' knowledge is HIGHLY idiosyncratic. From bond ratings to vape pens to Admiral Nimitz. I never eat at McDonald's. I have never seen 'Oklahoma'. ARCTICA? Never heard of it. An awkward sentence on a student's paper gets an AWK, not 'REDO'. Sake is not consumed in 'SHOTS' whether hot or cold. Since when is hailing a cab 'reaching'? The clues are just too cutesy at times or just fall flat. Enjoys widespread success is 'is big'? Meh. Seems like that corner needed a 'REDO'.
Count me among the STILE victims... :)
When I didn't get the happy music, I thought my problem must be at the GALOPS/ELLER cross - neither of which were things I was familiar with. So it took a LOT of exploring (and trial and error) to realize that it was the "other" INEZ.
Overall, though, a really enjoyable (and challenging) solve, with very little gunk (not a fan of ISBIG and SOOTS) and some really clever cluing. Two thumbs up!
What a struggle! I started on my phone when Luka barked and woke me at 5:00 am, worked on it again while making coffee at 6:15 and finally finished it with my oatmeal at 8:00, priding myself that I kept to my New Year's resolution of "no googling". If I don't know it, I just don't know it! Solve times are longer than last year, but enjoyment/accomplishment are up even more.
Thank you, Sam for a great work out.
This write up was so good, I was literally LOLing and it’s pretty early here in San Diego, I think I woke up my whole family. FRESH SALAD is not a thing, UNFRESH Salad is also not a thing and that whole clue annoyed me as much as it annoyed you. But yes fun puzzle anyway and hard which is good.
Breezy solve up until Z-TILE soured an otherwise ok experience.
I, personally, think there's a fine line between cleverly tough cluing and trying so hard to be cleverly devious that the result becomes inauthentic. It's an art, and I'm no artist; I don't know how to define that line. To me, the cluing in this puzzle is (in some cases well) past that line. I feel like you need the lawyer Rex sometimes mentions to defend the "rightness" of a lot of this cluing. Today's is the type of puzzle I consider unenjoyable.
Seeing “yasqueen” in the puzzle makes me want to not do these puzzles anymore.
Lac is French for Lake. As in Lake Ontario.
I didn't expect today's offering to be so challenging. This constructor isn't some one I associate with difficulty but today was different. Just getting started probably took as long as I've spent finishing some late week puzzles. My break wound up coming from two mistakes. I tried RAINHAT at 3D and supported it with NIHLIO. OMEN, YEA and NTH were early week easy and they allowed me to correctly backfill the NW
From there it went SW then the SE and finished in the NE. SALAD was easy but FRESH? Who says that?
Besides from the PONCHOS thing my other notable write overs were OREGANO/AVOCADO and GAVOTS/GALOPS. All the SB I play and I still don't know how to spell gavotte or NIHILO as well.
I've never heard of an ECHODOT but Amazon being Amazon I can't help but wonder if it isn't something they implant in their employees.
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Hey All !
Tough! Flaling everywhere. Have a decent streak going, so I checked the Archive calendar to see all of August in gold. Was about to Reveal a word, but didn't want that one Blue puz-grid thing mucking up my Gold-gridded August!
Did run to Goog a few times after uttering an OKAY, WHAT? or two. One was for COTTA, as not up on my Italian desserts. Had another at WARRENG (can anyone rattle off which president is which number?). ELLER, also, even though incorrect SEA there, have never heard that name, so wouldn't have gotten it regardless. Oh, and did look up STILE or ZTILE to see which one was correct.
Had NHL where CSI was, and then had SEA where NHL was supposed to be. Good stuff.
For me, a proper tough SatPuz that sat there taunting me, "Nyah, Nyah, you can't solve me!" But after some Googs, finished with the STOPWATCH reading 51:22.
Time to GALOP away. Happy Saturday.
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Completely out of my wheel house. Not the same zip code, not even the same time zone. Glad Rex liked it, it absolutely killed me.
Today's puzzle is "cancel my subscription" worthy. ZTILE? ENSILE? INEZ? LAO? LALA?!!!! ELLER? GALOPS? SOOTS?! Give me a break and stop making up words.
Someone from Québec would call Lake Ontario a "lac".
I knew GALOP but not WARREN G, which tells you everything you need to know about me. Really difficult solve, kind of unpleasantly so, but a good workout. I’ll just need a short nap now.
Ontario is the lake (lac in French)
Ontario is the lake (lac in French)
Did anyone have OREGANO in place of AVOCADO? That slowed me down...
I hate-solved it for a (long) while and then, when I absolutely could not get the NE corner, I hate-quit. My hate was evenly distributed between the answers I was able to get and the ones I wasn't.
I smelled the green paint as the FRESH SALAD was brought to the table. As opposed to a STALE SALAD, perhaps?
"Oh, please give it a rest", which is directed at YOU, does not equal LET'S NOT, which refers to US.
The less said about SOOTS ("Oh, please don't be SOOTS, please don't!", I said to myself as SOOTS raised its ugly head) the better. Is SOOTing something people actually do to one another?
You can't block anyone out with just one LALA, btw. The correct answer to 10A is LALALALALA.
Here's YAS QUEEN again. It still sounds like sub-literate gibberish to me.
ECHODOT?
"For word" sets my teeth on edge -- and I had no idea that is means YEA.
The clue for ETA (60D) is too clever by half. It says "moves" when it really means "changes."
And finally -- what on earth is VCMONEY?
A real mess of attempted trendiness. In a decade or two, much of it may be indecipherable.
Lac is French for lake.
Two fantastic and very insightful comments today:
- "And when better-than-average knowledge of a clue's subject makes the clue *harder?* That's...bad."
- "I, personally, think there's a fine line between cleverly tough cluing and trying so hard to be cleverly devious that the result becomes inauthentic...I feel like you need the lawyer Rex sometimes mentions to defend the "rightness" of a lot of this cluing."
I completely agree with both comments. And I think this particular puzzle is a great example of pushing way too hard on "clever" for cluing to a point where solving feels like a slog.
Loved the added difficulty, nothing worse than a breezy Saturday puzzle.
And then a great write up - still laughing at “cough medicine for rabbits.”
“This puzzle ain’t for you bub”
Exactly so…
No fun here…
There are about 1,000 words you could put in front of SALAD that would make sense as a phrase (cobb, tossed, fruit, pasta, house, waldorf, chef’s, caprese, the word “word” even), but FRESH is not one of them.
Had the exact same problems with NHL and SEA. Well played, Sam.
Five billion pounds of oregano would be a lot of oregano.
Once again, this plea from poor @mathgent who still can't comment under this new format. Can anyone help him out?
"Thanks for asking the blog for help. I use Chrome on my iPad. Please try again and mention that I get a "A problem occurred..." response when try."
The FRESH part of that salad answer is how I knew it was correct. Made just before it was set on the table. Freshly made.
Yukon is in same time zone as Alaska assuming Canada counts for anything!!
NBA games can't end in a tie, SOOTS are necessary when it happens.
A proper Saturday workout for me as well. I found it very challenging up top, especially in the NE: a square by square fight. Things opened up below UNNATURAL, thanks to LOUNGEWEAR x ELLER and the gifts of ARGO, ZOO, and GALOPS. I enjoyed the slanted cluing and appreciated the difficulty level, but (kvetching alert) I didn't find much delight in the answers themselves - between Amazon, fast food, vaping, and venture capital, or being just plain dull..and then there was FRESH SALAD, which presumably is green, to go along with "paint.". I did like the crossing of the two "ancients" ARCTICA and CRO MAGNON.
Do-overs: ENSiLo, wait WHAT, INQUest. Help from previous puzzles: YAS QUEEN.
Tough one. My print version once again failed to give me the "almost there" thing so I left in STILE, technical DNF, the horror.
Plenty of new-to-me's today--VCMONEY, shapes of MCNUGGETS, WARRENG.
ARCTICA, ECHODOT, even "joggers" as LOUNGEWEAR.
Had the FR and the SALAD and wanted FRUITSALAD, which I didn't like but I think I like it more than FRESHSALAD.
Hello old crossword friend Aunt ELLER, and where have you been all this time? Welcome back.
For all you doubting the existence of a certain answer I give you this (very) old one:
Q: Hey Santa, how do you like your job?
A: SOOTS me fine!
Nice crunchy Saturday, SE. Sorta Expected a challenge when I saw the byline, and thanks for all the fun.
Tough, bordering on Croce tough for me. NE and SW were average for a Saturday but the NW and SE were very tough for me. In the SE I had BESiege before BESEECH, Totem before TENET, and I tried Huh for the end of 48a. In the NW I had torTA before COTTA and a lot of blank space (hi Taylor) around it for quite a while. Also, ENSILo before ENSILE didn’t help (Hi @Rex).
A fine challenge with quite a bit of sparkle, liked it.
Too tough.
You know that there's a lot going on in a puzzle when @Lewis doesn't mention the 5 letter palindrome TENET.
I think that the "just in time" part of the FRESHSALAD is to alert you that the lettuce was picked after you ordered, as opposed to taken out of a bag in the refrigerator. I'm not saying it's a great clue or answer, but it seems somewhat defensible.
What dat ting showing under you off the shoulder dress? Oh, dats my BRATING.
Fruit Smack had to change their name when people started dying from injecting it.
Do you prefer to be with a MANOR woman? OMEN are fine, but give me a YASQUEEN any day.
I thought we might have a rare Saturday rebus happening when sTrike wouldn't fit for "10-point play".
Tough one today, but I got 'er done and enjoyed it a bunch. Thanks, Sam Ezersky.
Tough one for me (30 min), each corner a tough crack but mostly satisfying, meaning the hardness was mostly not PPP, which is almost always a "meh" after struggling forever to get it from crosses.
• As a former prof of English, agreed on AWK (for “awkward”) not REDO, which is totally AWK.
• Also had INES not INEZ, mainly because I thought a 10-point play had to be some sports term and I suck at those, so STILE, sure, why not.
• Had SAKI instead of SAKE, which threw me off for a bit
• Guessed IWOJIMA right at the start but left it blank for the 80% of the puzzle it took me to accept ISBIG.
• The G from GALLOP had me stuck for a long time trying to think of any US president ending in “ENG”. Made me think of “Ana Ng,” a great song by TMBG, though, so there's that. Let’s use that in a puzzle some time.
• Finally, ENSILE bugged you rex? Old-school crosswordese (and never to be seen in the wild) so that was a bit of aging-myself gimme for me. ELLER likewise, though took me a while to dredge it up ("I °know° this one dangit!"
UGG! So UNNATURAL! LET'S NOT.
REDO.
How disappointing to read Rex’s dismissive remark about Spelling Bee just because today’s crossword is constructed by Sam.
Lewis, if you don't think FRESHSALAD is junk, then I know for certain (as if I didn't know before) that you never met a puzzle you didn't like.
Really, really challenging. Like five times my average Saturday time. FRESH SALAD and REDO are just awful. Rex is right that REDO should be “Awk.” Zero discretion there. REDO is plainly incorrect.
On any given day I find getting the top score on Spelling Bee is much harder and takes far longer than doing the crossword. I think our dear leader's obvious feeling of superiority towards the other games is misplaced.
Fully challenging here. My solving time--the largest of 245 I've recorded for Saturdays--was more than twice my Saturday average. I started early and set it down and came back a few times. After a mighty struggle with the NE--only to be greeted by the "So close" screen, my last keystroke was to change S to Z in INEZ.
I've pleaded for a limit to the number of pop singers in each puzzle, but WARREN G did not trigger me because of the presidential hint. Having gotten the initial W from IWO JIMA, I initially wrote in "WOODROW" (a good song by the Bill Holman Band, by the way) but thought that 29th was too late for Wilson.
I did not know Aunt ELLER, but GALOPS didn't bother me. My two daughters play in three municipal bands, and every concert of the Karl L. King Municipal Band in Fort Dodge has a galop. Granted, when I (at 57) attend a concert of a municipal band in Iowa, I lower the average age, but I feel like GALOPS falls into the category of musical knowledge. I also get that when it comes to crosswords, there are really two categories: (1) what I know and (2) what I don't know.
My failed attempts at the NE included these stabs:
17A: "Onset". Didn't really think this could be right, but I had nothing in the NE when I put this in.
21A: "LAR" (for L.A. Raiders). Later learned that the Raiders moved from Oakland.
10D: "Zen", but I did think about LAO.
11D: "Poblano". I later thought about AVOCADO and was thrilled when crosses finally materialized.
15D: "Cress salad". Not as offended as others by FRESH SALAD because it fit "just in time", but I understand the criticisms.
Ditto!
5.5 Billion pounds of Oregano??
Oh, Sam...You and I just never seem to connect - even when dancing anything in duple time. Who, may I ask, needs the VAPE JUICE in order to stop stepping on toes???
My first entries were like @Rex. EMU JAG UGG. So I got the JUICE part and left for greener pastures. There were none except maybe some AVOCADOS on my wilted FRESH SALAD. I left you hopping for a better dance partner....
The barn was filled with the UNNATURAL. WARREN G. Boy did I cheat on you. I needed a duple partner for my never heard of in my life, GALOPS dance. I had so many doovers to contemplate. YAS QUEEN? I've met you before but I wanted my partner to be YES WE CAN. Erase, erase. My 12D was LET IT GO but the black powder SOOTS cleaned up my mess....I'm at the bottom of the barrel and my childish 62A happened to be a GERIATRIC rather then the correct cheat on PEDIATRIC. Ooof
I so agree with @Anony 6:31 about SAKE being anything like a hot shot. You sip it warm and slowly. Enjoy your Ahi....
After my several cheating partners, I was at least happy that I found joy in getting as much as I could. I'm staring at you, BRATING...Oh, you're a B rater....LA LA la la la. I don't LOUNGE WEAR with Joggers and such and I certainly don't do the GALOPS. Cluing all over the place was evil hard.
Maybe next time we can do a fandango tango. Just try and not step on my toes as often as you did today.
I just sent @mathgent an email and I THINK I know what he needs to do because it happened to me.
UGG indeed!
And that was the only reasonable answer in the grid today until RIMA & UAE finally provided a shovel to begin digging out of Sam’s pit of ambiguity. Just Saturday tough all the way to scratch our way back to that opening V which ultimately led to the happy tunes time. And seriously, that V was the last keystroke. I usually enjoy Sam’s challenges, but today I was so lost that Harding, IBIZA, BOOTS & ROOTS, etc only got an appreciative nod once the whole ball of string was back in the knitting basket! Thank heavens that Rex didn’t tell us it was easy 😉
Very challenging. Funny how it all falls into place when you cheat. YASQUEEN? What's that?
The only thing I did like was HAIL A CAB. Kind of humbling for me even if it IS Saturday :(
Same!!
I agree. Ezersky tries too hard and his attempted wit is mostly lame. Where are the Berrys and Weintraubs of his generation?
This was tough for me, I definitely needed to step away and come back a few times.
I have a defense of FRESH SALAD, though, even though it was one of the things that hung me up -- I had "houseSALAD" for much longer than I should have, and groaned when I got it -- but in its defense, the "leaves" are "just in time" for dinner, so there's an argument to be made for the timeliness of the just-in-time vibing with the timeliness of freshness of food. I'm not going to fight for it, but I haven't seen anyone else mention it, so If you're looking for a rationalization, there's one.
Funny you ribbed on the Spelling Bee in your writeup of a puzzle created by the Spelling Bee editor.
I’d have never finished this except that, to challenge myself, I’ve been revisiting the nytxw’s from before I started solving. This week I went to late August 2011. It’s no guarantee, but they’re harder than today’s more often than not. There was a Friday that everyone in Rexworld said was harder than any Saturday. Even @Lewis said he had to use “Uncle Google” 3 or 4 times, and I did more than that.
So I was ready to drink the Ezersky KOOLAID today. @Rex said exactly how I felt - “enjoyable unpleasantness….that made it consistently engaging and interesting.” And now I have to try Suze. Love it when the puzzle inspires a great @Rex write-up! Had to read some of it to Mr. A to answer his INQUIRY about my chuckles.
So by a strange and lucky coincidence Aunt ELLER was in one of the 2011 puzzles. She was one of my first entries today. Also very grateful I knew ECHO DOT. I am with OFL on reluctance to have AI spying on me. I bought an Amazon Tap bluetooth speaker - you press a button to ask it to play something so it’s not always eavesdropping.
Thanks for the workout, Sam, but LET’S NOT SOOT anymore.
NYE GALOP in Vienna
@mathgent - here are some things you can try:
1) On an IPad, you can shut down any apps running in the background by double-clicking the home button and swiping them the icons up. Shut down each app, then turn off the IPad. Let it sit for a minute and restart it.
2) If no luck, uninstall Chrome and reinstall it from the App Store.
3) If still no luck, try a different browser such as Firefox.
Had to come here to find out that a STILE isn't some kind of "10-point play" in a sport I'm unfamiliar with, and I still have no idea what a ZTILE is. Since both INES and INEZ could be acceptable variations on "Agnes." And since STILE (unlike ZTILE) does read as an actual word, I call "FOUL" on this one.
Rex clearly explains what a Z tile is—it is a Scrabble tile (worth 10 points)
I assume this is Sam Ezersky posting.
Brutal and felt "unnatural" to me. Forced and kinda evil. I resorted to auto-check for a portion of the NW grid (which I never do) to release myself from, maybe not Dante's *ninth* circle of hell, but one of them.
yep. Harder than snot. Lotsa pop-current/obscure stuff that was beyond my age/knowledge group. GO OOF.
In fact, the first letter in the upper left corner put m&e in real early guess-it mode. VAPEJUICE/VCMONEY, huh? Coulda darn-near been VAPEMONEY/VCJUICE, and fooled old M&A.
staff weeject pick: NHL. Its {Kraken's home, for short} clue totally flummoxed m&e, for quite a spell. Woulda went with SEA, except that wouldn'ta been a real "for short" option, unless they were just razzin it for bein a weeject-sized word. Sooo ... then I started lookin for cool, "in" ways of sayin OCEAN, for short. OCN? OSN? OSH? Lost precious nanoseconds.
honrable mention to EMU's cute clue, tho.
Other UNNATURALly-feisty (at our house) stuff: MCNUGGETS. ZTILE [but, nice clue]. NIHILO. ECHODOT. YASQUEEN. WARRENG. ELLER. IBIZA. ARCTICA. LOUNGEWEAR. INEZ from Agnes. COTTA. RIMA. KOOLAID aliases. And, them VAPEJUICE/VCMONEY debut word crossers -- worth stewin over again.
Thanx, Mr. Un-EZ Ezersky dude.
Masked & Anonymo5Us
**gruntz**
Too tough.
I found that line condescending and elitist, and also agree that most days Spelling Bee is more challenging and takes longer than the crossword.
Re: 1 Down - I had no idea the Viet Cong were such capitalists.
Found this one shockingly approachable (if still challenging) for a Sam puzzle…which is to say that it was only about 45 degrees off from the rest of human language usage instead of the usual orthogonal.
I wasn’t prepared for this level of difficulty after the last couple of months of simplicity. But, like Rex, I enjoyed the pain that it gave me.
Couldn't finish it even after several cheats. LALA means I can't hear you? Where? VAPEJUICE is inside pens? What pens? Ballpoints or pigpens? I had TAO for the Buddhist instead of LAO (both are connected to Buddhism). YASQUEEN sounds like something spoken only in the inner city. LETSNOT is too mild an answer for the clue, which suggests extreme frustration. VCMONEY apparently stands for "venture capital money," but has anyone ever used that actual phrase? All in all, a very difficult puzzle that borders on being unfair.
Wow, was this hard. But somehow not enjoyable. Lots of reasons -- some to do with the puzzle, some to do with me. I doubt any of them haven't been mentioned already, so I'll spare everyone the repetition.
I did like 52A. This guy was my favorite football player when I was young. So much so that my aunt made me a Christmas tree ornament of him out of dough, which she hardened in an oven like clay in a kiln. She did a great job making him look authentic -- the purple jersey with his number, the white pants, the helmet, everything. Just one problem: she made him "white".
I feel like any try-hard can construct a Saturday puzzle filled with a certain combination of arcana and arbitrary nonsense. This whole solve was an exercise in writing in the word "salad" because "we get it, you're clever," instantly but then trying to intuit what annoying not-a-thing-that-is-said word goes before it. I'd love to see Sam (try to) make a Wed puzzle that is elegant and by requirement tighter than... this... over and over again.
Not knowing who the 29th Prez is, and knowing just enough rappers to get in trouble, I started 44A with Will.I.am.
My experience much like Rex’s and, yes, I have drunk Suze and kind of agree with him on that.
I also got pretty lucky in the NW and was very pleased with myself, but when I moved on to the NE I bombed. So I changed direction and clawed my way through everything but the dreaded NE.
I just ran into so many brick walls that my forehead is bleeding . When did SOOTS become a verb? And as a non-scrabble player and a non-CSI viewer and a non-user of any Google devices, I was just at sea, as the crosswords say. Also LALA; does anybody really say that? Just too childish to contemplate.
In the other sections:
YASQUEEN, ugh, but got it fairly quickly.
OKAYWHAT, I know Rex and many others want more casual speech in the puzzle but that one just doesn’t connect for me.
IBIZA, I had Hydra, the Greek party island, easily corrected.
LAC, the thing I’m most ashamed of as a Canadian who speaks a bit of French. I could not let go of Ontario as a province and see it as a lake. Oof!
WARRENG, dropped in off a few crosses because, though I know little about rap artists, somewhere in the back of my befuddled mind I remembered there is a memorial in Stanley Park in Vancouver commemorating Harding's visit to our fair country, first ever by an American president.
There’s more, but I have work to do and a bloody forehead to bandage and maybe a shot or two of Suze to consume to allay my frustration.
1) 0% chance they phase out something as iconic and brand-defining as the NYT Crossword, and 2) the other games are very good and fun
We need to be talking about PEE more.
Love seeing that in the grid (again? wasn’t it in there recently?)
Hi. Can someone please explain why the clue for ECONOMY was in quotation marks? I.e. “Coach”. I usually think of quotation marks for an answer that is spoken. This answer seems like just a simple synonym.
Interesting how people hide behind anonymity when they’re being insulting.
Count me as one those who tried to make HOUSESALAD work for far too long...
Nancy, re: salads. I hated FRESHSALAD, too, because I had to remove grEenSALAD, which I thought was a lock. Then I tried to think of non-fresh salads. A couple come to mind. They are not stale, but they use preserved or cooked ingredients as opposed to just picked from the garden stuff. Potato salad would be a good example of a North American salad that uses cooked and a few fresh ingredients. And then there's my favourite, Salade Nicoise (no lettuce, please) with olives (the eponymous Nicoise versions, not the overpowering Kalamatas), boiled eggs, a seafood element (anchovies or tuna), cooked potatoes, and maybe some cooked beans. Oh yeah, fresh tomatoes are very traditional but are often omitted these days. So not exactly fresh, but certainly not stale.
PEE twice this week.
Way too hard for me, didn't even come close to finishing any quadrant of the puzzle. It kicked my ass up one side and down the other. Wow. First time that's happened in quite some time. I sure enjoyed trying to solve it though!!
I never play spelling bee, but the rest of this comment resonates with me a lot more than today's puzzle did.
Agreed an all points, except for me it wasn't a slog - it was simply too hard. I enjoyed trying, but I had to answer OKAYWHAT to at least 15 clues today.
Imagine getting worked up about positivity in a puzzle review.
well - grain does go in a silo(bin properly) but it generally isn't 'ensiled' which implies it is fermented. whole corn silage and haylage yes. and occasionally high-moisture shelled corn IS ensiled. But 99% grain is stored. in a bin. unensiled. (the picky points a cow vet sees) but nice terrific hard puzzle today! JH
Back when I was a crossword novice, maybe ten years ago, I got stumped on good old Aunt Eller and was livid. “Eller?!? ELLER?!?!?! What the @$&!9h€%€£>+$&)” I screamed into the void. But apparently my fury was enough to implant her in my memory, because today I dropped her in with no problem. Still struggled mightily with the rest of the puzzle though.
Really would like to know why the answer is pee! This is absolutely driving me and my step dad crazy!
Actually, the clue on FRESH SALAD was the best clue in the puzzle.
And the worst answer in the grid was for sure GALOPS. A dance? One L? WTF?
Loved the challenge. VCfuNds slowed me down for a while in the NW.
And I’ll anonymously say: I thought that clue was perfectly fine, and I completely disagree with Rex that ‘"just in time for dinner" did nnootthhiinngg to indicate the idiocy that is FRESH.’ There is an undeniable association between “just in time” and “fresh”, particularly in a culinary context.
Personally, I got that one more or less right away, and I thought it made perfect sense as a pun 🤷♂️
Really glad to have a challenge with this one. Have to count this as a DNF because of the inez/ines issue. I'm well aware that there's things that I'm not gonna know but...
There could be a thing called a stile or a stole or a stale or a stule or a stele or even a style that's worth 10 points in some sort of game or competition. I also don't have much of an agricultural background so I don't know if one ensiles, ensoles, ensales, ensules, enseles or even ensyles their grains.
I also have no background relating to Oklahoma! (born in 1980)nor duple time dances (two left feet) so I had no clue which cross was stopping me. I know that Aunt ELLER sure looked wrong.
I do have a background in history and a background in being 14 years old when WARREN G asked all of his Regulators to MOUNT UP so I did get that one just fine.
I also have a background as a person that worked at Amazon in Seattle up until about 5 years ago (I'm sorry). I got to test all of the new ECHO(DOT) products as they were rolling them out. They gave me gift cards, I tested the products. It was a fun little side hustle (Amazon already knew too much about me as it was, so why not). Those Echos were rolled out in approximately 2016-2017ish, everyone bought them up and then realized that their sole intent was to observe you so that they could sell you more things. People stopped buying them by the pandemic era and, about a year ago, Amazon slashed most of the jobs in the division. I purged what was once a meaningful product name out of my head at least 2 years ago. I would imagine that since most people in this world have less attachment to said product, that they forgot about the product name well before I did. Not sure if that answer, at least how it was clued (with a tone of it still being relevant), is the epitome of the NYT crossword perpetually being 5 years behind the times but it sure feels like it.
Anyway... glad for the challenge even if it was a defeat.
Add VCMONEY to the list of better-than-average knowledge making the clue harder. VC stands venture *capital*. The money is otiose at best or a tautology at worst.
I'm an advisor to a VC firm and off the O of OTC took a stab at VCrOund (which is something that someone in the business might conceivably say, to distinguish it from angel round).
Same. Dumb cross - STILE is a word by itself and should have been clued that way crossing INES instead. Awful writing / editing / cluing to let this through (on top of FRESHSALAD and ENSILE)
Hmmm... IneZ was my grandmother's name (and my sister's middle name), never saw IneS til XWP's
I just got to take a shot at it (Sunday) and totally agree with you. Hopeless, helpless. I’m glad they do a Saturday like this every so often because, as we can see by the comments, there is an audience for them. Just not me. And you.
This is the one that broke my 400-plus day streak.
The "which" refers to "going to the movies with my wife."
wow
Very, very hard puzzle. Finished with an error at INEs/sTILE, figuring STILE was yet another thing in the puzzle I never heard of.
Now THAT was a proper Saturday-level challenge. Now excuse me while I staunch the brain bleed.
YASQUEEN reminded me of that great TV show called Broad City. Whenever something great was about to happen Aby and/or Ilana would shout out YASQUEEN !!!
To not have heard of the Abraham Accords? How cloistered, blinkered, one dimensional....and sad...
Thank you Geome! As a syndicated solver, I can't believe I had to read these comments to the end before I finally got to yours. I agree with you about the Abraham Accords and the lack of knowledge and appreciation for them.
15D was a brilliant clue and answer for a very green paint answer. If you have ever had a salad made with lettuce fresh from the garden then you get it.
ZOD has spoken!!!
This was definitely one of the hardest SatPuzs this year. My neurons are sprouting new tentacles as we speak.
Agreed. Very tough. No complaints. DNF due to using the Google
BTW - ELLER ought to be one-time MN Viking Purple People Eater Carl . . .
Well, if saying YAZ QUEEN is considered worthy of publication, please allow OK BREEDER to insult heteros.
IS BIG is pathetic fill.
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