Cave dweller of Greek myth / WED 4-17-24 / Food products wholesaler / Old Testament queendom / Pro wrestler Luger / Eschew the pews, say

Wednesday, April 17, 2024

Constructor: Joseph Gangi

Relative difficulty: Medium? Medium-Challenging? Probably depends on your familiarity with the story...


THEME: ONE EYE (73A: Feature of 20-Across ... and, when sounded out, a feature of today's puzzle (clues and all!)) — the "theme" is POLYPHEMUS, a (not "the"!) cyclops in the ODYSSEY, whose "eye" Odysseus puts out. There is an awkward and gruesome representation of eye-gouging in the NW, where MAIM goes right through the puzzle's (and POLYPHEMUS's) only "I" ("eye"), which is the first word in the imagined (humorous?) exclamation, "I CAN'T SEE!" Oh, and there are no other "I"s in the grid (or in the clues, For Some Reason)

Theme answers:
  • POLYPHEMUS (20A: Cave dweller of Greek myth)
    • MAIM (7D: Hurt badly)
    • "I CAN'T SEE" (18A: Cry after a poke) (!?)
  • ODYSSEY (41A: Journey such as the one where 20-Across appears)
  • THE CYCLOPS (60A: 20-Across, by another name)
  • WANDERED (?) (65A: Took the long way home, say)
Word of the Day: THE CYCLOPS (60A) —

The Cyclops is a 1957 American science fiction horror film written, produced and directed by Bert I. Gordon, starring James CraigLon Chaney Jr. and Gloria Talbott.

The theme of a monster created as a result of radioactivity was a common one in the 1950s // Test pilot Bruce Barton is missing and his girlfriend, Susan Winter, organizes a search party, which is sent out in the jungles of Mexico.

The team of scientist Russ Bradford, mining expert Martin "Marty" Melville, and pilot Lee Brand fly into unknown territory.

While searching the area, however, they uncover giant mutated Earth animals such as a mouse, an eagle, a mygale, a green iguana, a tegu and a boa.

More importantly, they encounter a mutated 25-ft tall, one-eyed human monster who became disfigured due to an exposure to radioactivity from massive radium deposits in the area. This is responsible for the unusual size of all the other giant inhabitants of the region. He kills Melville, but appears to recognize the girl.

When the cyclops tries to prevent the rest of the group from flying to safety, he is wounded and presumably dies.

• • •

Well, I really hope you're up on your Odyssey. I am—reread it earlier this year—and I still found this one harder than usual, perhaps because it was thought necessary to keep all "I"s out of the clues as well as the grid. When you tie your hand behind your back like that (or poke your own eye out, to use another metaphor), it's hard to do your job (in this case, write clues) effectively. I was wondering why the cluing felt off and kinda stodgy and sluggish. And then I got to the revealer and realized the "trick" they were playing, but the question is: what does that trick get you (except subpar cluing)? Like, why do it? Nobody has noticed as they're solving, I guarantee you, and no one is going to feel as if their solving experience was enhanced by having had "I"s removed from the clues. The grid, OK, whatever, that seems fitting, but the clues? You only lose, you do not gain, by taking your little maiming gambit into the clues. It's a terrible decision that (negatively) affects the basic solving experience. A feature that makes the puzzle worse and that no one will notice (until they're told). It's Baffling. But that's just the beginning of this puzzle's execution problems. POLYPHEMUS is *a* Cyclops. The ODYSSEY is rather explicit about this. He is one of many. He is *the* main Cyclops in the story, *the* only one that has a name (that I can recall), but he is in no sense THE CYCLOPS ("In Homer's Odyssey, [the Cyclopes] are an uncivilized group of shepherds, the brethren of Polyphemus encountered by Odysseus" (wikipedia)). So THE CYCLOPS, ugh, that answer was a clank and a half. 


Also, are you doing an ODYSSEY puzzle or aren't you? The theme clues kept veering in and out of the ODYSSEY, explicitly invoking it here, pretending not to notice it there. "I CAN'T SEE" is absurdly clued. "A poke"?! "A poke"? "I CAN'T SEE!" is literally no one's cry after "A poke." I don't know if I'm more mad about "a" (be specific!) or "poke" (you "poke" someone to annoy them, or get their attention; a "poke" does not MAIM you). The whole thing is absurd without explicit reference to the ODYSSEY. Also, the puzzle seems to want to make a gruesome act of MAIMing comical? Whimsical? And then WANDERED is just down there on its own, no idea what it's doing, just wandering, with only the vaguest relation to the theme. "Should I just stand here? Like this? Guys! Is this the right spot? Why am I here again?" "We need you to provide symmetry for "I CAN'T SEE." "But I don't have anything to do with eyes or seeing? My thing's more ... wandering. Plus there's no symmetrical counterpart for MAIM. So can I just ... wander ...?" "No, do as you're told and stay put!" "Well fine but it's against my nature, I'm just saying." WANDERED, everybody!


Before I even got to the theme I sort of doubled over and heaved a sigh at how unpleasant it seemed like the fill was going to be. FLORAS? Oof. Over LEVELA and AGATES, crossing ALEPH, which is crossing PHAT? Lots more oof. The kind of oof that makes me stop and take a screenshot. Again, all before I got to the theme. 


All the "I"s in the world, all the eyes of Argus, couldn't have saved some of this fill. It levels off, i.e. comes back to something like an acceptable norm, elsewhere in the grid, but overall, it's still underwhelming. Hardest parts for me were the proper nouns (don't really know SASHA, and definitely don't know non-Luthor LEX—had to run the alphabet for that "X" after [Takes a toll on] ended up not being TIRES). The one answer that just about broke me was STABLY. Even now, it doesn't quite look like a word. I keep mentally pronouncing it "STAB-LY," i.e. "in the manner of a stab." Maybe it's an oblique reference to the maiming up top? No, it's just the adverbial form of "stable." ABLY has never perpLEXed me, but STABLY, yikes, it just jams my synapses.


Notes:
  • 7A: Mental ___ (MATH) — I have no idea what this is. Is there a physical MATH that I missed in school? A calisthenic arithmetic, maybe?
  • 70A: Wrap for a monarch? (COCOON) — this was one clue that came off very nicely. Lovely misdirection.
  • 3D: Watermelon-shaped (OVAL) — isn't OVATE more appropriate? I think of OVAL as more of a two-dimensional "shape." Wikipedia says an OVAL is a "closed curve in a plane," and, again, I didn't take all the math classes in school (mental or otherwise), as we've established, but "in a plane," suggests 2-D to me. Watermelons, on the other hand, notoriously 3-D. 
  • 27D: Eschew the pews (ELOPE) — Told ya. They cannot lay off ELOPE. Can. Not. ELOPE and ARSON just trigger some irresistible punning / rhyming / whimsical wordplay urge (as I discussed at length this past Friday)
  • 49D: Quest for some athletes (GOLD) — I had GOAL. On many levels, my answer works. Just not the level that counts (LEVEL A?)
  • 56D: Food products wholesaler (SYSCO) — never quite sure of the spelling. There's also the CISCO Kid rattling around in my brain somewhere, not to mention "The Thong Song" guy (pretty sure he's a SISQO—yep, ooh, and with an accent over the "O," Ó la la!). 
  • 9D: Flotsam and jetsam (TRASH) — I had DROSS, which is less nautical than flotsam and jetsam, but at least as nautical as TRASH, and a hell of a lot more poetic.
Signed, Rex Parker, King of CrossWorld

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132 comments:

Conrad 5:34 AM  


Medium-Challenging for me, for all the reasons @Rex cited. It wasn't too bad once I got out of the NW, where I encountered most of my problems"

1A: FLORAe before FLORAS
2D: ugGs before LEGO
14A: LEVEL I before LEVEL A
22A: Anew before ATOP

And I needed Sergey & Larry to help with Sasha Cohen (6D). I need to watch more skating.

As 20A started to take shape from crosses (before reading the clue), I thought, "That looks like it's going to be POLYPHEMUS, but no it can't be." But it was.

Owen 5:47 AM  

Monarchs are butterflies not moths they don't come from a cocoon they come from a chrysalis! That one had me upset didn't we all learn this in third grade?

Moxer 6:02 AM  

I veered off course by filling in “pain” instead of “maim,” which yielded the wrong name for the Cyclops, whom I’d never heard of. And like Rex, the expression “mental math” was meaningless to me. Ugh!

Burghman 6:12 AM  

Familiar enough with the story but apparently not the Hebrew alphabet and came up with POLYtHEMUS crossing ALEtH. Both seemed right enough to me - Greekish name and word I ‘be never heard of. Sure, alphabet crossed my mind, but the “t” seemed better for this Cyclops’ name. Oh well.

Trina 6:36 AM  

Despite not having read the work for many decades, found this easy. Everything was fairly crossed. Beat my average by 7 minutes.

I enjoyed the conceit and disagree with Rex’s curmudgeonly write-up.

David Grenier 6:40 AM  

Spot on review. I found this very challenging, as one of the theme answers was a proper name I had no way of getting. I eventually figured out the ODESSY/CYCLOPS theme, but my familiarity with that is pretty limited to knowing it’s about a ship lost at sea on the way home from the Trojan war. I’m sure I read a kids version when I was little, but I’m also sure it never had the cyclops name.

Fought through the whole thing but had a DNF on REX/TAXES. Never heard of the wrestler and even running the alphabet somehow by the time I got towards the end my brain just sped through the letters.

Unknown 6:40 AM  

Once again, reading Rex's commentary is far more entertaining than the puzzle.

Hal9000 6:41 AM  

FLORAS this week; SUMOS last week. I’m starting to have serious issues with the editing of these puzzles.

Benbini 6:55 AM  

"Mental math" is when you do quick (and often incorrect) arithmetic in your head, instead of working things out thoroughly on paper/a calculator/computer.

Anonymous 6:55 AM  

Is Aleph Beth really referencing a YouTube channel??

SouthsideJohnny 7:05 AM  

Definitely a wavelength type of grid - and non of it was in mine, so pretty much a “meh” slog. Yesterday I was lamenting how the gimmicky themes do little to enhance the solving experience but take a toll on the grid quality - Rex elaborated a bit on this and pointed out how the nonsensical and arbitrary elimination of the letter “i” from the clues contributes zero but further diminishes the overall quality of the puzzle. Standard NYT fare - somewhere between average and mediocre is the space that the Gray Lady occupies in CrossWorld these days.

Mack 7:06 AM  

This was Monday-levels of easy. Half of my average Wednesday time. I can't even imagine what part constitutes medium-challenging.
The theme works fine. Sounds like Rex is stretching to find something or someone to blame because he struggled with it (although I do completely agree with his rant about omitting letters from clues -- it's just self-back-patting). THE CYCLOPS is fine. Everyone knows who THE CYCLOPS is, even if there's more than one.

Ironically, the only clue Rex liked is the worst one: COCOONs are not wraps for monarchs. Monarchs don't make COCOONS. The answer is straight up incorrect. That is the major flaw in the puzzle. Not MAIM or WANDERING or THE CYCLOPS.

Ps. I also agree FLORAS is terrible. FLORAe, maybe.

kitshef 7:10 AM  

Nice timing. We are going to see Penelope tonight, in preparation for which I just finished re-reading the ODYSSEY.

Pretty terrible clue for MATH.

I think PHAT meant 'super', not 'cool'. But It's not a word I ever used, so I'm not sure about that.

SASHA Cohen was my favorite female figure skater ever. Everything she did was gorgeous.

Pro wrestlers should not be allowed in crosswords.

But the big, big complaint today: monarchs do not make a cocoon; they become a chrysalis. This is basic entomology and anyone who does not waste time watching professional wrestling would know it.

Andy Freude 7:11 AM  

Well, I loved this one, probably because just a few months ago I finally got around to reading The Odyssey, in Emily Wilson’s beautiful and accessible translation — highly recommended. The poke/MAIM/ICANTSEE bit is grimly funny, and just the place for that single “I.”

Yeah, there are a few nits to pick. FLORAS is terrible — and 1A to boot! Unlike @Owen, I never can remember the difference between a cocoon and a chrysalis, bu5 maybe it’ll stick after this.

Twangster 7:13 AM  

Rex's explanation makes more sense but I took it as you've misplaced your glasses or there's a power outage, so you're wandering around and accidentally run into someone (poking them) and say "I can't see."

Anonymous 7:17 AM  

Can someone explain the ALEPH clue. That one just isn’t clicking for me

Anonymous 7:29 AM  

First two letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

Dan A 7:32 AM  

I CANT SEE fits with ‘poke’ when the one doing the poking can’t see through the person in front of them and so gives them a poke.
@anonymous: ALEPH is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, Beth is the second. Hence the clue.

Anonymous 7:32 AM  

Does no one say "better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick" any more? It was my first thought with the POKE clue when I saw the answer length, then the theme confirmed it should be I CANT SEE. Found this easier than a usual Wednesday.

Rational 7:35 AM  

Aleph beth = alphabet. First two letters in Hebrew alphabet.

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

I didn’t connect I CAN’T SEE with the theme, so I pictured the Three Stooges kind of poke, and the clue worked.

Agree with Rex that the lack of an “I” in clues doesn’t contribute to the solving experience and can lead to some twisted cluing, though I didn’t notice it on this case as much as he did.

I’ll take the word of @Owen and others that butterflies don’t make cocoons, but it’s news to me.

Anonymous 7:37 AM  

Love The Odyssey, so this one was quite enjoyable for me.

JNKMD 7:39 AM  

Bet or Beyt is the second letter of the Hebrew Alphabet (Aleph Bet). Beth is the English spelling for the Hebrew word Beyt meaning house, as in Bethlehem (Bet Lechem) house of bread.

Lewis 7:39 AM  

First of all, this is Joseph’s third NYT puzzle, and the grid art of his first – well, it may be the cutest looking puzzle of all time. You are missing a heart-warming moment if you skip over this: https://www.nytimes.com/crosswords/game/daily/2022/03/16 .

On this puzzle, I love how Joseph placed that one circle close to the top of the grid. It could have helped to reveal the puzzle’s gimmick, but for me, at least, I was so engrossed in the rest of the puzzle, that when I got down to the bottom, where the reveal was, I had totally forgotten that circle.

So, when I uncovered ONE EYE and saw what was going on, and saw that circle again, it was a fantastic “Oh yeah, I forgot about that!” moment. Joseph got me good there, and I love being gotten good!

Also, I don’t think anyone so far has mentioned that they noticed anything unusual in the cluing until it was pointed out in the revealer, certainly not I. Bravo to Joseph for pulling that off, depriving the clues of a common vowel – and have no one notice it. He got me good there again.

One more way he fooled me. I tooled through the puzzle thinking that it was simply a myth-based tribute, with no thought that there was an underlying gimmick. So, when I uncovered the ONE EYE reveal, oh, trust me, that elicited a huge “Hah!”

As I said, Joseph, I love being gotten good, and to be gotten good three times, well, three’s the charm. Many many thanks for this!

Anonymous 7:40 AM  

Tom (pokes Harry): There's Polyphemus.
Harry: Polyphemus the centaur?
Tom: No, Polyphemus the cyclops.
Harry: I can't see.
Tom: The guy with one eye.
Harry: Oh yeah.

Aleph is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet and Beth is the second letter. Alphabet in Hebrew is aleph-bet.

Bob Mills 7:44 AM  

Had to cheat once to get the POLYPHEMUS/ALEPH cross. I didn't know the story (although I knew CYCLOPS had one eye, and understood the circled letter's meaning).

A nice puzzle, with one questionable item...FLORA(S) looks like a plural of a plural. Would we ever say "faunas?" I doubt it. If not, do we accept FLORAS?

Anonymous 7:48 AM  

No, it's referencing the Hebrew alphabet. Aleph is the first letter, Beth is the second

Dan M 7:49 AM  

Rex completely missed the cleverest part of the theme. I CAN'T SEE is absolutely a cry after *a* poke... if you're a cyclops! Loved it. Hilarious. Some crunchy fill and so on but who cares? Super puzzle.

Dan M 7:55 AM  

@lewis I didn't realize this was the same constructor who made the Duck puzzle! Joesph is officially one of my favorite constructors now.

Anonymous 7:58 AM  

Read the theme description

Anonymous 8:06 AM  

Mathematically speaking planes are necessarily three-dimensional. Two dimensions are lines.

Havana Man 8:13 AM  

i'm with rex--floras, levela and stably? oy vey --- total mess...

Son Volt 8:22 AM  

Harmless I guess - awkward theme and as the big guy mentions restrictive to the overall fill. Nothing difficult here - but in the end a loud “why”. Love The ODYSSEY and nice to see it dead center.

My eyes can only look at you

STABLY and the EASY A - LEVEL A dupe were unfortunate. FLORAS, ALASKA, COCOON were neat. DON x MADAM is sure temporal.

Pleasant enough Wednesday morning solve.

I WANDERED Lonely As A Cloud

Anonymous 8:23 AM  

Why is professional wrestling a waste of time? It is classic and mindless good vs evil entertainment. It has evolved since the days when it pretended to be real and not simply unscripted entertainment. While I love Broadway, the ballet and opera , wrestling is free and men and women that move as athletically and gracefully as the entertainers in pro wrestling are rarely seen anywhere else than wrestling.

Berndo 8:26 AM  

I was stoked to see the Lex Luger mention!

Mr. Grumpypants 8:26 AM  

Waste of time and space.

pabloinnh 8:28 AM  

I was thinking that the clues were a little off but I had to read OFL to find out why. No I's, eh? How about that.

I knew POLYPHEMUS, eventually, but at first could only remember POLY-something. Yay for crosses.

Mental MATH is clearly doing arithmetic in your head, but I've never heard it called that.

Now then--a "cry after a poke". "Poke" always makes me think o f the British (and New Zealand, I discovered) connotation of "poke", which is, to put it delicately, coitus. This gives a whole new level of meaning to ICANTSEE. I mean, wow.

A nice feat of construction, JG. Just Glad it gave me a chance to say Stunt Puzzle!, and thanks for a fair amount of fun.

Anonymous 8:29 AM  

FLORAs/SASHA/LEVELA should be a poster child you need to put more—really, the most—care into the northwest corner. Once I realized I’d need to rip out FLORAE/LEVELI/EISHA, my good will for the puzzle was completely used up.

By the time I got to the “I” revealer, I wasn’t impressed, I wasn’t amused, I was just angry all over again about Eisha.

Anonymous 8:43 AM  

No, we would say "faunae."

Rachel 8:44 AM  

I put ELIZA for the before Beth clue, and slowly had to figure out what it really was. I know the Hebrew alphabet, but I'd never write "bet" as "beth," with the "th," because it isn't pronounced that way. So I hate that clue.

I'm surprised people haven't heard of the expression "mental math." It's when you do math in your head, without using pencil and paper. I thought it was a pretty common expression. I didn't think of the "math" part right away, but once I had a couple letters from downs I got it.

I'm not too mad about "the cyclops," even though there are many cyclopses in the story. There's one main cyclops, and he's commonly referred to by people discussing the story as "the cyclops."

Anonymous 8:44 AM  

Shout it from the hilltops. Bad editing!

RooMonster 8:54 AM  

Hey All !
Skater Cohen was EISHA for a bit, because EISHA sounds name-ish, and FLORAE seemed better than FLORAS. Also, LEVELI for LEVELA. Sorry, SASHA, I'll more than likely forget you next time. We could've used an Obama daughter clue there.

No I's in the clues, huh? Yes, missed that. A bit tough to pull off. Also a bit tough to eschew them from the grid. Grids are often tough to fill enough without hindering yourself to be I-less. But technically, with your Revealer, isn't there two I's? Well, one I and one EYE. Har, overthinking at it's finest.

Fill not terrible with the No I rule, plus the Theme, Plus the extra MAIM/I CAN'T SEE. That's a lot of space taken up. Good job, Joseph.

Happy Wednesday.

ONE F (right ATOP the puz)
RooMonster
DarrinV

Frank Lynch 8:56 AM  

OBOE... OREO... so frequently. Convince me this is better than OMOO.

Anonymous 9:00 AM  

Loved this - granted my 6th grade teacher drilled The ODYSSEY so hard into our heads that once I figured out the theme I put in POLYPHEMUS immediately. Didn’t get the “only one I” thing until the revealer and it gave me that satisfying “aha” moment I love. Agree that removing the I’s from the cluing was less an “aha” and more an “oh that’s interesting,” so not sure how much it helped. Didn’t hurt it for me, though.

My one big disagreement with Rex’s semantic point about “a” vs “the” cyclops is that…come on. He’s the only one with a name, you know who they’re talking about. I refuse to believe anyone reads “the cyclops from The Odyssey” and goes “but but but there are more than one! Which one could they be talking about??” Most likely the only one we’re given a name for.

Rant over. Loved this puzzle. My fastest Wednesday by a mile.

Anonymous 9:02 AM  

Same here, and didn’t know SASHA so that whole section was gently baffling. I also had DELETES for RETYPES (and LEVELi). It was obvious that something was wrong but less obvious what that might be.

RooMonster 9:19 AM  

@Anib 7:32
I say that all the time!
Of course, I'm strange...
😁

RooMonster Odd ONE Guy

Alice Pollard 9:22 AM  

kinda medium for me. I thought the theme was very weak until I read Rex and found out there was only one "I" in the grid and clues. I guess that counts for something. I remember SASHA Cohen, she was very good. I backed into ALEPH and was sure it was wrong., but it wasn't. STABLY? NEVER have I ever.

Gary Jugert 9:28 AM  

Home run delightful solve. Took me longer than usual so maybe it was challenging, but whatever, it was a blast. You chop out TV stars and stitch in Ancient one-eyed muscle men and I'm all yours.

I hate seeing MERE. It's MERER.

Medical term for the feeling of wanting to knife somebody: STABLY.

Tee-Hee: Uniclue answer that won't appear on Jeopardy: ORAL THE CYCLOPS.

Uniclues:

1 Totes hep home of the queen.
2 What I need when feeling murdery.
3 Disdain voiced in Vegas when an S is added to the end of a popular "land."
4 Contrivance of a poetic cruciverbalist.

1 PHAT SHEBA
2 ROAST ASAP
3 LEGO ELOPE RANT
4 OREO ELEGY PLOY

My Fascinating Crossword Uniclue Keepsake from Last Year: Tries to develop a romantic relationship with an Italian bear prior to being eaten by it. SPEED DATES ORSO.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous 9:41 AM  

No, lines are one-dimensional – they only have length. Planes are two-dimensional. Spaces are three-dimensional.

Nancy 9:51 AM  

Question: What's worse than a stunt puzzle that messes up the cluing in the process of carrying out the stunt?

Answer: A stunt puzzle that messes up the cluing in the process of carrying out a stunt that almost no one is even aware of as they solve.

The Biggest Bad Clue of them all is I CAN'T SEE as what you say "after a poke". Now why would you say that? If I'm the pokEE, I say OUCH. If I'm the pokER, I might say GET IT?

Well, actually I would never poke you for any reason whatsoever and you'd better not ever poke me -- that's all I have to say about it.

There were no other clues as bad as I CAN'T SEE -- but I felt something slightly "off" or at least awkward about a great many of them. The only upside? I learned that POLYPHEMUS is another name for THE CYCLOPS. Who knew?

Mike in Bed-Stuy 10:03 AM  

Pardon me while I display my pedantry. First, regarding the use of "THE" with CYCLOPS. It's the same "the" as in Frosty the snowman and Vlad the impaler. It's an epithet. It's perfectly grammatical and completely sensible. Next—and thankfully, for your sakes—last, regarding the spelling "beth" for the second letter of the Hebrew alphabet. @JNKMD noted that "beth" is the English spelling of the name of the letter. True, but "bet" and beit" are also English spellings. It's really more a matter of competing systems for representing the Hebrew alphabet in English, with respect both to orthography and to pronunciation. Many Reform and Conservative congregations use "beth" (meaning "house") in their names, usually in construction with words for "God" (Temple Beth-El, Congregation Beth Elohim). There are numerous American cities called "Bethel," which is exactly the same phrase as in the congregational phrase "Beth-El" but without the hyphen. As you might imagine, I enjoyed this puzzle very much. I do feel the pain of those among you who know the difference between cocoon and chrysalis, among whom I do not number myself. Okay, I will add one more thing: "FAUNAS" is not great crossword construction, but it's a perfectly good word. One might say, for example, that in science class this year we are going to study the floras and faunas of different geographic regions. Only a pedant with a doctorate in classics and a knowledge of Biblical Hebrew would object. Oh, wait, that's me, so scratch that.

Megafrim 10:03 AM  

Classic 3 Stooges bit: Moe pokes Curly in the eyes, Curly cries "I Can't See! I Can't See!"

Ferchrissakes Rex, get some culture!

TJS 10:08 AM  

I think we have reached an all-time low. And I have been doing these things for plus 50 years. Does anyone one take editing seriously anymore ?

Anonymous 10:09 AM  

Strange. I've found puzzles to be playing tough since Will's absence but this one was atypically fast; 30% faster than my normal Wednesday and I completely ignored the theme until I was done. Sometimes the fill just slots right in and you're left with a modest bit of Wheel of Fortune. Alas, I'm sure things will be back to the new normal and the weekend puzzles will continue to annoy me.

mmorgan 10:10 AM  

I actually liked this more and more as I proceeded.

SusanA 10:12 AM  

Today I learned that Monarch butterflies do not make cocoons! Moths do! Thank you all! (But I still enjoyed that one when solved)
After learning that there were no Is in the clues, my reaction was huh, like many others.

I also had the EISHA problem in the NW, and an incorrect EGYPT stymied me for a while.

If I may paraphrase some of the commentary:
Cleverness in service of solver enjoyment is a wonderful thing.
Cleverness in service of showing off the constructor’s cleverness is kind of annoying.

Anonymous 10:13 AM  

I have to an issue with "flotsam and jetsam " which are not both trash. Jetsam is stuff deliberately thrown overboard, often to lighten a ship. And it may be sold by whoever finds it. Flotsam is from a shipwreck and belongs to the shipowners.

egsforbreakfast 10:14 AM  

A nice techno effect would have been to have the finished puzzle alternate between showing the single "i" and showing a gaping wound spurting blood in its place. BTW, what Homer didn't say (besides "D'oh!") was that after losing his sight, the remorseful Polyphemus (whose life had flashed before his eye) went on the road as a sales-Cyclops and decided to REPLACE and other fine fabrics. Eventually he settled down with several of his adoring customers and became polyamorous. When Homer asked if he could speak to the favorite one, Polyphemus said "I don't know, ALASKA."

What did Mick Jagger say to the security crew at Altamont?
URLS Angels.

Speaking of which (and this is true), Mrs. Egs and I are going to see Mick and crew in Seattle on May 18, should any of them live that long. We last saw them at Oakland Coliseum in the late 1990s. Even then the crowd was short on spring chickens. I imagine oxygen bottles will outnumber hash pipes at this one.

I always love a good Polyphemus tribute puzzle, and this was no exception, but I have to say that it was Monday easy. Thanks for a good eye-opener, Joseph Gangi.

Beezer 10:16 AM  

Given that I’m kind of an The Odyssey fan of the first order I loved this puzzle even with though (only in retrospect for me) I agree the entirety of the stunt resulted in some clumsy clueing.

Maybe @Rex should have made clear that Odysseus and his crew (sans six of his men that The Cyclops ate) escaped by getting The Cyclops drunk, then poking out his eye with a burning stake. I believe that Polyphemus did cry ICANTSEE (perhaps OUCH W
was implicit). Since Odysseus had told POLYPHEMUS that his name was “Nobody”, when the rest of the cyclopses came running to see what happened, Polyphemus said “Nobody blinded me” so no search party for the culprit was formed.

RooMonster 10:16 AM  

@Anon... Goodness, fat finger typing

andrew 10:23 AM  

Hey all you MA and PADIDDLErs (not to be confused with the no longer PHAT PDIDDY)

This ties in nicely with Saturday’s puzzle of car games for children. ISPY with my ONEEYE. Falk, Davis Jr, and now THECYCLOPS! Can PUNCHBUGGY be far behind?

If Michael Sharp can become Rex Parker, see no problem with Lawrence Wendell Pfohl becoming LEX Luger - having his name in the crossword among all the LIL rappers. Though he maybe should have been disqualified based on his violent history with the late Miss Elizabeth.

Since the only Homer I’m familiar with lives at 742 Evergreen Terrace in Springfield (oops, did I just dox him?), surprised I finished this. Fortunately ISPied my misspelling of ODeSSY and got the W!

mathgent 10:29 AM  

As Nancy said, an irrelevant stunt puzzle.

The expression is "mental arithmetic."

Carola 10:36 AM  

I must be in a grisly mood this morning, because I got a kick out of the twisty joke out of MAIM x I CAN'T see - once I understood that the "poke" in question was the one that Odysseus delivered to the CYCLOPS's EYE. After that, I guessed that it would be a one-I/EYE grid, but I never noticed anything strange about the clues. I don't recall a previous tribute puzzle to a mythological figure, so also enjoyed the wit there - along with the terrific name. Granted, getting started in the NW with POLYPH made for some tough crosses; I had to back my way in from the NE. I agree with @Rex that WANDERED doesn't quite work with the CYCLOPS theme, as it's Odysseus who's cast about hither and yon, but I agree with others here that "THE" CYCLOPS is fine - it's the one that's immortal.

Thanks to those who commented on COCOON v. chrysalis. I thought they were the same thing.

jberg 10:37 AM  

Like @Lewis, I actually enjoy learning that the puzzle has a feature I had not noticed. I was trying to figure out the last down when I glanced up and was reminded of the single circled letter -- which happened to be an I -- and the whole thing fell into place, a thrilling experience. (And notice that "the puzzle" did not mean there were no puzzles -- it referred to the puzzle we were discussing, a perfectly ordinary use of a definite article.)

Unfortunately, by that point I had forgotten where I had parked my car (a common occurrence), on Level I of the GARAGE. That would have put a second I in the grid, which if I'd noticed would have caused me to change it to A. But no, I finished with the FLORAe/eiSHA/LEVELi thing. Sigh.

As for the COCOON, it qualifies under Joaquin's rule: it's a clue, not a definition. We all got it, didn't we?

Despite my abject failure, I enjoyed the puzzle.

Anonymous 10:38 AM  

This is not true. A point is dimensionless, a line is one dimension, a plane is two dimensions. You only need two coordinates (e.g. (x, y) in the Cartesian coordinate system) to specify a point on a plane.

Anonymous 10:39 AM  

Mental math is just math done in your head, without the aid of pencil and paper or calculator.

Whatsername 10:42 AM  
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Anonymous 10:44 AM  

It’s better because those words appear in everyday life, unlike OMOO. Still not great to see the same words all the time, but better that they not be so obscure.

EasyEd 10:46 AM  

Giving a opponents a “poke in the eye with a sharp stick” is a pretty common phrase turned by members of a certain political group these days…so was a quick “aha” moment in my solve. Unfortunately, went down all the NW blind alleys discussed by earlier bloggers and had to look up SYSCO in the SW. Felt the cluing was close enough for crosswords but agree that in the main this puzzle was more a technical feat than a fun solve. Did admire the singular “I”.

Whatsername 10:53 AM  

I didn’t hate it, but something seemed a little off about it, and now I know what it was. My favorite entry was I CAN’T SEE which made me laugh for some reason and I think the poke reference was just fine. It might be a little dated but many times I’ve heard and said that something unpleasant was “better than a poke in the EYE.” No way it’ll pass for a chrysalis, but I actually had another take on COCOON and was thinking of a royal monarch who might live in a such a protected environment as to be insulated from the real world.

dragoo 10:57 AM  

Flotsam and jetsam (as noted by Anonymous above) are legal designations in maritime law denoting objects floating on the surface of a body of water after a shipwreck. They also have two other lesser known partners: lagan and derelict, which correspond to objects that have sunk to the floor after a shipwreck. Lagan are objects that might have been cast overboard, but are marked with a buoy for later recovery by the owner. Derelict are objects abandoned without hope of recovery.

Masked and Anonymous 11:04 AM  

Decent one-I-eye-ed puz, even if folks will no doubt find a few things to poke at. M&A is an Odyssey fan; even drives one. Way to park the revealer at the final entry, btw -- nice touch!
But, then again ---only havin one I in a puz can't be too hard to pull off. Shoot, lotsa these puzs only have one U in em, without hardly even tryin.

staff weeject pick: STS. Plural abbreve meat and double-POC opportunity [yo, @AnoaBob dude].

some faves: YOUTHERE. I/MAIM. COCOON clue. RE-TYPES in a symmetric(al) duet with RE-PLACE. Row 7 startin and endin with an ALA.
STABLY? har. Better clue, for this theme: {How Odysseus reacted to 6-Across?}.

MATH clue was kinda different. Somewhat DERIVATIVE, but yet an INTEGRAL part of the puz, within certain LIMITs. SINE of the times, I reckon. But then, my whole ANGLE here probably has gone way off on a TANGENT. [How's that, for totally-gone-mental math?]

Thanx for the fun, Mr. Gangi dude. Good strapped-for-vowels job. U were a definite A&E fan.

Masked & Anonymo4Us


kinda lives up to its name:
**gruntz**

Tom P 11:07 AM  

I enjoyed this one, but like several others, I got Naticked at the ALEPH/POLYPHEMUS intersection. Since I'm not familiar with the Hebrew alphabet and haven't read "The Odyssey" in decades, I put a "T" in there, which felt right, but wasn't.

Anon 11:09 AM  

Can someone please explain 71 across to me?

mathgent 11:11 AM  

My favorite bit of mental arithmetic is squaring a number whose last digit is 5. So 75 squared is 5625. Multiply the 7 by the number one greater to get 56. Then stick 25 on the end of it.

Anonymous 11:14 AM  

Tried to get ELIZA to fit as the preceder to BETH. Does everyone know the letters of the Hebrew alphabet? Seems a bit niche.

Anonymous 11:15 AM  

I had “kneel” for eschew the pew. And thought it was a great clue… alas.

Whatsername 11:20 AM  

@SusanA (10:12) “Cleverness in service of solver enjoyment is a wonderful thing. 
Cleverness in service of showing off the constructor’s cleverness is kind of annoying.” AMEN to that!

Anonymous 11:23 AM  

Another self-indulgent themer. crossing aleph and sasha with polyphemus and phat was just bad constructing

Whatsername 11:24 AM  

@Anon (11:09) B and A are streets (STS) in Washington DC.

ProgressiveMike 11:26 AM  

Did no one see "Ulysses" with Kirk Douglas from the 50's? One of the original sword and sandal treats.

EdFromHackensack 11:35 AM  

71A STS = Streets. A Street, B Street etc

Alex P-C 11:39 AM  

I am about as unfamiliar with the Odyssey as can be, but I finished in six minutes flat, about average for a Wednesday. I thought the gimmick was clever and impressive, and the fill seemed basically fine, though ALEPH/AGATES was tough for me, and I put EUREKA instead of ALASKA at first. I agree with Trina that this writeup is curmudgeonly. I have heard the phrase "Mental MATH" many times, STABLY is a normal word, and it's a bit precious to complain that the constructor is making light of a MAIMing (nobody was actually harmed in the creation of today's crossword).

I liked this puzzle!

Anonymous 11:40 AM  

Streets. A Street, B Street

Masked and Anonymous 11:55 AM  

p.s.
Whoopsie:
{How Odysseus reacted to 60-Across?} = STABLY. Not "6-Across". Musta miss-fired on that "0" key.

@Anon 11:09am - 71-Across: {D.C.'s B and A: Abbr.} Many of the streets in our nation's capital just get letters: A Street, B Street, etc.
Evidently Independence Ave. is also known as B Street South. [And wait til U hear Marjorie Taylor Greene's name for it...]

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johnk 11:57 AM  

@Anon 11:09 AM:
A Street, B Street.

Nancy S. 12:03 PM  

Not that it matters, but I think "I can't see" is a statement from the poker rather than the person being poked, as when someone is blocking your view.

johnk 12:11 PM  

Despite the usual inaccurate editing (e.g. COCOON) and poor pluralizations, I was impressed by the near lack of that vowel. Just wish they'd omitted that unnecessary little circle.
Wonder how the style books say the pluralization of single letters of the alphabet should be handled. Do they suggest an apostrophe? Otherwise, we have as, es, is or As, Es, Is, etc.
And what's all this puzzlement about poke? Didn't anyone listen to your mother when she cried "Don't run with scissors! You'll poke out your eye!!"

Sandy 12:15 PM  

I really hated this one immediately - with the exception of Cocoon!

jae 12:22 PM  

Medium. I did not know or did not remember that POLYPHEMUS = CYCLOPS, so the NW was a tad tough. The rest was easier. Liked it more than @Rex did. I thought the subtle clues/answers were a plus.

GILL I. 12:27 PM  

I thought this playful. Let's see...how do I spell POLYPHEMUS and did I remember him somewhere out in the wild? Why yes, I did....
Can't figure out why {I} had so much trouble with FLORAS and FLAP. Move on! I did....
{I}CANT SEE is a poke? Poke in the eye? Is that it?
OH...Look at THE CYCLOPS. Now {I} see you. Fun.
Except...I got to the monarch. Yes, it must have something to do with the butterfly. COCOON seems to be right. But wait! Are't they wrapped into their chrysalis? I suppose they get all cocoon-ey in there but, like @Owen 5:47, I did a little *Wait a minute*...I see I'm to the only one.
Must run but I'll be back t read the rest of the comments.

ONE EYE reminds me of that mondegreen song. Remember "The One Eyed Got?"

Anonymous 12:28 PM  

Many cities have B Streets. Washington, D.C. does not. With the previously noted monarch mistake, this puzzle pushes the limits of simply incorrect clueing.

Anoa Bob 12:31 PM  

I can see (heh) how having one i in the grid fits into the theme but having no i in any of the clues? I don't see (heh) the point. Elicited a "Well whoop-dee-effing-doo" from me.

Seems odd that a monster with ONE EYE would have a name starting with POLY. And I thought he lived in a cave so what's the 65A WANDERED connection to the theme? Even Odysseus didn't really WANDER. He was on a homebound journey and was driven off course by storms so it took him a bit longer to reach his destination than his initial ETA, right? I wondered about that WANDERED.

PSST, YOU THERE. Can you use STABLY in a sentence and make it sound natural instead of facetious?

Anonymous 12:33 PM  

Fascinating! Thank you.

Anonymous 12:34 PM  

Thoroughly enjoyed. Very clever.

Anonymous 12:36 PM  

Classics major here. Read The Odyssey in the original Greek. Loved the puzzle.

Anonymous 12:38 PM  

Me too! Thanks Lewis, loved the 🦆!

Anonymous 12:53 PM  

I think “I Can’t See” could be another Odyssey reference. It’s what Polyphemus supposedly (but didn’t actually) could’ve yelled after Odysseus “pokes” him in the eye. It would be fitting as it crossed the single i

Fun_CFO 12:53 PM  

I enjoyed it ok. Wednesday’s no man’s land, and this was a good day to run this puzzle. But, if I’m the editor and receive a puzzle from a constructor that use the whole cluing set with a gimmick, such as no “I”, regardless if it ties into the grid theme, I’m changing that first thing. “Let’s cleanup these clues first and if that includes the use of a hundred “i’s”, so be it.” It just makes no sense. I don’t care enough to re-read the clues and see where the lack of “I”s was crippling, but I know they are there.

Cluing makes puzzles. And don’t know why you’d artificially constrain yourself, for what would at best be a “mm, didn’t notice, shrug” and then make you think “no wonder it felt off”. Juice just ain’t worth that squeeze.

Good call by EASYA and LEVELA. Tsk, tsk
Ok, with THECYCLOPS, but I did wince.

On Poke, I get the complaints. My brain did go to eye poke, mainly from watching combat sports and unfortunately, eye pokes are not uncommon. Fights are paused and occasionally stopped due to vision loss. Went right in for me, but again, I get the beef.

sharonAk 12:54 PM  

Agreed with Rex tht the cocoon clue was a great, fun, misdirect.
Sorry to read subsequently that butterflies make chrysalis (spel?) rather than cocoons. Had totally forgotten that, probably about 70 years ago.. Can understand why it was annoying to those who know.

I agreed with Rex that there was no value to leaving "i"s out of the clues, but not that it made the clues bad.

Had a great "AHA" moment when I looked back at the circled i after reading 73a.
Locating the lone "i" in the upper middle of the grid and then circling it was brilliant.

Took me a ridiculously long time to get 34a. Should have gone in without crosses.

Moya 12:56 PM  

I found this to be fun to work and just sufficiently puzzling. Enjoyed the theme very much including the clues.

Anonymous 1:01 PM  

Would never have known there were no I’s in the clues if I hadn’t checked here. A relief, given how consistently lousy the clues were.

mathgent 1:17 PM  

This is a test. Using just your head, what is 85 squared?

Anonymous 1:25 PM  

I’m not understanding all the confusion/fury over I CAN'T SEE. After someone pokes me in the eye, I definitely might cry “I can’t see!” A better clue might have been “Cry from someone who’s been poked in the eye” but of course they had to avoid the “i” and the “eye” in the clue.

okanaganer 1:47 PM  

Rex you are in fine form. Watermelons are indeed notoriously 3D!

I had FLORAE for ages because the last letter is the start of... a dreaded unknown name. That is an ugly start to a puzzle.

For "Escape vessel" I also had ARK before POD for ages because I loved it.

I've heard the phrase "mental arithmetic" often, but never "mental math". However Google Ngram doesn't show a huge difference so maybe it's just me.

[Spelling Bee: Tues 0; streak 9 days!]

Nancy 1:51 PM  

Re: The "first thing" that @Fun__CFO (12:53) would have done had he been editing this puzzle...

Now of course I'm rooting very hard for Will Shortz to make a full recovery and be back at the NYT real soon. But if heaven forbid he doesn't come back, I'm nominating @Fun__CFO for the top job. If his suggestions had been put into effect today, this puzzle would be SO much better!

Burtonkd 1:58 PM  

How odd that the NYer has the same side dish today

Anonymous 2:21 PM  

I absolutely agree with Mack and Trina.

Definitely everything was fairly crossed. I didn’t remember the details of the myth going into the puzzle, but there aren’t a lot of Ancient Greek mythical names starting with Polyphe . I didn’t remember the wrestler’s name, but potluck staple is surely not
PastasaRad.

I didn’t like floras either, but this demand for “flow” and some sort of ecstasy on every clue seems somewhat unrealistic.

Liveprof 2:42 PM  

My incredibly beautiful grandchildren Zoey (8) and Leon (6) team up very nicely when confronting their younger siblings or the world at large. But they do on occasion blow up into a battle between themselves. It starts off nuclear -- they go for the eyes. I yell, "ZOEY -- not the eyes!!" How anyone makes it out of childhood in one piece is a miracle.

Anonymous 3:06 PM  

Easy, but the SE corner got me messed up starting with NOG instead of SAC for 51D (Egg-)leading into ONIT instead of ASAP for 55A ("Pronto")
Had to hit Check Puzzle to suss it out and finish it.

Matthew 3:43 PM  

The subtle Twin Peaks reference made my day.
It elevated the puzzle for me.
That's the kind of content that keeps me showing up.
Hell yeah, Rex. Thanks.

Anonymous 4:17 PM  

ODYSSEY- a Honda Minivan. I thought something was going on with 14A LEVELA and 46A GARAGE, but maybe I still have PTSD from driving a minivan for 10 years!

Masked and Anonymous 4:29 PM  

p.p.s.s.

@mathgent dude:
85 squared? sooo…
gotta first do that one bigger times the 8 part to get 72.
tack on 25 at the end, to get 7225.
QED?

That's kinda neat. Does it work for any other ends-with numbers?

M&A

Gary Jugert 4:30 PM  

@Owen 5:47 AM
I did not learn that in 3rd grade. I learned it just now and I hope you're being fer real.

Anonymous 4:38 PM  

Owen about cocoon v. chrysalis
I am a retired lawyer. I used to get annoyed about legal “mistakes “ in crosswords. Gotten over it.
Crosswords clues and answers are based ( certainly before the end of the week) onwhat the general public knows not what specialists in the field know Also they are called clues for a reason: they are hints, not definitions. And use of wordplay is encouraged.
Hence monarch’s wrap = cocoon.
Close enough for crosswords.

dgd 4:41 PM  

About mental math.
Surprised that Rex and Moxer didn’t know the expression. Is it going out of use? An age thing?

Anonymous 4:48 PM  

About Chrysalis v Cocoon
A crossword is not a science class. It represents what people say. Cocoon is Wednesday appropriate, chrysalis is not. The clue involves wordplay which is encouraged. As I said above, close enough for crosswords.

Anonymous 5:18 PM  

👍

Anonymous 5:22 PM  

Curly: “I CAN’T SEE, I CAN’T SEE!””
Larry (or maybe Moe): “Why not?”
Curly: “I got my eyes closed!”

Anonymous 5:41 PM  

The “I”s were left out to show off. So congrats to constructing a difficult to construct crossword. When did you start the puzzle? 2020?, 2019?

Peter P 5:46 PM  

FLORAS is fine as a plural. Look in the dictionary. In Merriam-Webster, it says noun plural, floras. Also, florae. It's the first one listed. I don't know why people insist on Latinate and Greek plurals for words that have been consumed into English. Stuff like "stadia, "fora," "octopodes (or, worse, "octopi" which is detestable for more reasons) need to go.

Anyway, this ran just a little faster than average. Enjoyable puzzle all around. I did enjoy learning about cocoons vs chrysalises in the comments, though. No, we did not learn about that in third grade. I always thought butterflies cocooned, but I guess it's only moths, and not even all moths at that. So that's one bit of pedantry I did uncharacteristically enjoy.

My main rat's nest was the SE, not the NW. I couldn't remember SYSCO, I couldn't come up with STABLY, I couldn't figure out the proper word play the COCOON clue was going for, andI hadn't figured out the theme yet (not knowing who POLYPHEMUS was), so I lost three or four minutes there in what otherwise would have been a Monday-Tuesday speed puzzle.

PHAT made me smile. I haven't seen that word in a donkey's age. I remember my German girlfriend back in 1997 telling me how some guy called her "phat" and how absolutely offended she was until she realized some time later that he meant "phat," and not "fat." (We were both young and in good shape, so "fat" would not have made a lick of sense, anyway.) It really is an odd bit of slang that seems to have quickly faded away. How long was it in the language? Maybe five years? If that?




mathgent 6:00 PM  

m&a (4:29). Bingo! No others that neat.

Masked and Anonymous 6:29 PM  

@mathgent: yep. Squared numbers endin with a zero follow their own rule, but it's a duller than snot one.

M&A

Escalator 7:31 PM  

Late to the game here….but I think the term is Mental “Gymnastics”…….

Anonymous 7:52 PM  

@Escalator

What about Mental "Masturbation"......?

Anonymous 8:19 PM  

Are you making the argument that chrysalis is too obscure for Wednesday but Polyphemus, aleph, Sasha Cohen, and Lex Luger are not?

J 8:30 PM  

@Masked and Anonymous:

To multiply any two 2-digit numbers where the first numbers are the same, and the last digits add to 10 use this rule: Get last two digits of answer by multiplying ones digits of factors. Get larger two digits of answer by multiplying tens digit by one plus tens digit. {Sounds complicated, but the examples show that it's not too bad}


Squaring a two-digit number ending in 5 is a special case of this rule.

ex:

85x85 = 7225
84x86 = 7224
83x87 = 7221
82x88 = 7216
81x89 = 7209

This is a neat "mental math" trick.

More typically, I think that the phrase "mental math" is especially used in elementary schools now, for calculations such as 3x4, which should be done without a calculator, versus calculations that are acceptable to use a calculator for.

Not surprisingly, these days students' "mental math" abilities are not what they used to be.... [high school math teacher here]

Johnny Mic 9:09 PM  

I don't think I've agreed with OFL so perfectly, point by point. Except PHAT. That was a winner.

Anonymous 9:25 PM  

"Mental math" is definitely a thing. Sorry to the many puzzled solvers, but I've seen, heard, and used it. "Mental arithmetic" or "napkin math" may be more common and potentially more sensical, but sometimes (read: always) language just does what it wants.

mathgent 10:06 PM  

@J (8:30). Nice. I hadn't seen that before. As you say, my squaring trick is a special case.

Anonymous 10:36 PM  

What even is an Aleph?

okanaganer 1:41 PM  

Clever theme trick, though I kinda want a bit more on Thursday. 7 theme answers might be a record?

Re math tricks from yesterday: to multiply two numbers that are an even number apart, you can square their average, then subtract the square of half their difference. Eg:
89 x 91 = (90 x 90) - (1 x 1) = 8100 - 1 = 8099
44 x 56 = (50 x 50) - (6 x 6) = 2500 - 36 = 2464
Obviously this is useful if the average is a nice round number.

[Spelling Bee: Wed 0; streak 10.]

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