Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging (much harder to start than to finish)
THEME: ROSHAMBO (38D: One name for the game depicted in this puzzle) — the other name is ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS—all three potential outcomes of said game are depicted in the grid:
Theme answers:
SCISSORS (3D: "Cutter") cuts "PAPER"
ROCK (23D: "Breaker") breaks "SCISSORS"
PAPER (54A: "Coverer") covers "ROCK"
Word of the Day: PANKO (34A: Breading for tonkatsu) —
Panko (パン粉) is a type of flaky bread crumbs used in Japanese cuisine as a crunchy coating for fried foods, such as tonkatsu. Panko is made from bread baked by electrical current, which yields a bread without a crust, and then grinding the bread to create fine slivers of crumb. It has a crisper, airier texture than most types of breading found in Western cuisine and maintains its texture baked or deep fried, resulting in a lighter coating. Outside Japan, its use is becoming more popular in both Asian and non-Asian dishes. It is often used on seafood and is often available in Asian markets, speciality stores, and, increasingly, in many large supermarkets.
Panko is produced worldwide, particularly in Asian countries, including Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, China, and Vietnam. (wikipedia)
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This one was hard until it wasn't. The hard part was the way the theme answers were clued. I had ["Cutter"] as a clue for a word that I had no idea was a themer, and since that NW section is pretty hard already, I struggled to get traction early on. Further, even when I had all of "PAPER" filled in, I didn't notice SCISSORS was "cutting" it. I just looked at "IT'S OK" running through the "PAPER" and thought "huh ... weird." I little bit later I found myself with the equally tough and equally baffling ["Breaker"], which I assumed was some kind of CB-related clue, e.g. "Breaker 1-9, breaker 1-9 ... come in, over" (or something like that), and suddenly I realized the circled squares over there spelled out "SCISSORS" ... and ROCK was the "breaker" of the "SCISSORS" ... and then I looked back and noticed that it wasn't "IT'S OK" but SCISSORS that was "cutting" "PAPER." At that point, everything was clear. The second half of the puzzle was much, much easier. I'm glad I didn't jump to the bottom of the grid and write "ROCK" in the circled squares down there because I would've put the letters in the wrong places, for sure. I just let the puzzle come to me, and the bottom half went down relatively smoothly. I think this is a very good visual representation of ROSHAMBO. What's most impressive is that the fill holds up as well as it does. What might be hard for a solver to appreciate is just how hard it is to make diagonal answers work in a grid. Those are fixed letters that affect every single answer in their vicinity. And when you combine those diagonals with regular theme answers, you have a lot of immovable stuff in your grid from the get-go. Building a smooth grid on that dense a framework is very, very challenging, so while I probably wouldn't say the grid "sparkles" under normal circumstances, under *these* circumstances it sure as hell does. I liked all the fresh short stuff like EID and MASA and PANKO and GO-BAG crossing GEOTAG. This was tough for a Wednesday, but never boring. Thumbs up.
I've said before that I really don't enjoy the Duplicated Clue gag, and I doubly didn't like it today, in part because it doubly happened—twice, in the same section, which was also the section where I was starting, which meant that annoyance compounded struggle compounded annoyance. Again, predictably, the worst part of the Duplicated Clue gag was that one of them just didn't work. Actually, the SERVER / VALET doubled clue is fine, I guess. I had WAITER before SERVER, but that's not really the clue's fault. I don't like the clue [One to tip] (awkward phrasing, somehow ... [Tipped worker] seems better ...), but the clue actually fits, so I can't really complain. I can complain, however, about the clue on OPTIMISM (1D: "That's good" thinking). Sigh. The clue on NEAT IDEA actually works (2D: "That's good thinking!"), but ["That's good" thinking] is forced and terrible and (thus) makes the answer much harder to get. It's not even accurate unless you squint and then call in a lawyer. OPTIMISM has to do with hope and looking forward. "That's good" is simply a judgment. About the present. It might (with some coaxing and a bunch of additional context) be made to relate to OPTIMISM, but not here, not like this. Big "ugh," not "aha." It's a credit to this puzzle that I ended up liking it as much as I did, considering it started in the hole due to this dumb clue. But things were bad even before that, as I wrote in OFF instead of ONS for my very first answer (1A: Ending with walk or run). Also, same section, I've never heard of "popping" a PEC (13A: Poppable muscle, informally). Is that where you make them dance? When you flex them one at a time? I dunno. It just sounds awful. You "pop" a wheelie or a zit. PEC shmeck.
Was very pleased to spell Margot ROBBIE correctly on the first try. I was a little worried there was gonna be something ... strange or unexpected about the spelling. Something French-ish, maybe. I also couldn't remember if it was pronounced with a flat "O" like BOBBY or a long "O" like TOBY. But I just tentatively dropped ROBBIE down there ... felt like I was going fishing, quietly dangling ROBBIE into that section to see if I could get any other answers to bite. At first, none of the last three short Acrosses down there took the bait, but then ORB bit, and then ERASE and then GEEK, and I knew I had it right. Finished up in the SE, which was roughly 100x easier than the NW had been. Always nice to finish strong. See you tomorrow.
Totally boggled in the NW, so I moved on to the N, which was easier. Worked my way around clockwise, finishing in the NW, where VALET at 33D helped get SERVER at 32A. Then I found I'd been so boggled I'd missed reading the clues for two gimmies: IDO at 29A and TAIL at 16A. I didn't get the rock-paper-scissors connection until ROSHAMBO (which I initially misspelled as ROcHAMBO but easily fixed). Then I understood not only the circled squares but the answers that duplicated the circled squares and the italicized clues. Very nice Wednesday!
It was nice to see such a positive review. Rex has to be Rex though. His OPTIMISM screed, I think, was a result of his frustration in the NW and overthinking the clue.
Oh man I enjoyed this. Rebecca is a playful and entertaining constructor. This is, let me remind you, the person who, in her first NYT puzzle (this is her third), mixed around the letters NACL in rebus boxes, with the reveal SALT SHAKER.
Today’s visuals – what a brilliant idea, and I don’t use the B-word casually, and what deft handling of what had to be a difficult grid build (diagonals words are uber-tough to work with).
Furthermore, Rebecca is a wordplayer, and thus a warmer of my heart. It’s plain to see in the 1D/2D echoing clues, in clues like [Grape group], in the clues for SPA, GO BAG, and the marvelous [Nuclear codes?] for GENOME. Plus, Rebecca thinks out of the box, i.e., giving a visual clue for SOCKS – [Good name for a black cat with white feet] – rather than a definitional one. Never been a clue like this for that word (and I checked) in the major crossword venues.
This inventiveness all adds up to fun. I can’t wait for your next puzzle, Rebecca. You are a Crosslandia spark. Thank you!
What a fantastic puzzle! Often the solving experience suffers a bit when the construction is a work of art. Not today! Everything about this is superb. OK. Maybe not 1A, ONS. Could be the worst POC ever (or am I missing something?). But other than that, [chef's kiss]!
Everything about the theme was great. Having the ROCK ‘break’ the scissors, SCISSORS ‘cut’ the paper, and PAPER ‘cover’ the rock – mwah.
Weirdly, the weakest part of the grid is the area with almost no theme pressure – that isolated SW corner. Part of that was some odd clueing (ASIA in particular).
I’ve only ever seen Margot ROBBIE in Pan Am – remember that show? I do plan to see I, TONYA eventually.
I always ‘knew’ PEGASUS was ridden by Bellerophon, and I was prepared to rip on the puzzle for getting it wrong. It turns out, though, that there are some versions in which Perseus gets a turn. I will grudgingly accept it, but I don’t like it.
What a NEATIDEA. I thought the way SCISSORS cut paper, ROCK broke scissors, and PAPER covered rock was brilliant. Did not know this game was called ROSHAMBO, so the "reveal" didnt help complete the themers, and the SE was thus where I struggled. Trying to get those 3 longish downs there with ahA before SPA took me awhile.
OPTIMISM was my first entry, had no quibble with the cluing for that at all. Enjoyed learning MASA and PANKO. Smiles for SHE, USEDCD, GEEK, and URKEL. Have been to Loch Tay. This one just sparkled. Happy hump day, all.
Fun theme I guess - thought the cluing was a little disjoint. The cheap seats where I grew up never knew of ROSHAMBO - that was new to me. Like the grid visuals and the completeness of the theme.
Some fine longs - IMPERIAL, NEAT IDEA, GALOSHES are all solid. Some trivia I needed crosses for - CHOI, OREO O’S. PEGASUS is always cool to see.
I'm glad the version of the puzzle I printed didn't have italicized clues for the theme answers. I much prefer the adventure of discovering the theme all on my own. I didn't know ROSHAMBO but crosses were fair. Very enjoyable solve. Rex - going fishing with ROBBIE is a fun visual!
This is one of those construction feats that's actually fun to figure out, and therefore can rightfully be called a "feat" and not a "stunt puzzle". Very nice indeed.
The first two downs may have been easier if I had looked more closely at where the quotation marks actually were, which I did not. My "nice" had to be NEAT to describe the IDEA, and OPTIMISM finally made sense when I looked again at the quotation marks. Note to self, pay attention.
Somehow I have never run into ROSHAMBO as a name for this game, so that's something learned. Didn't really know the LOCHS in question, EID was new, as was GEOTAG. CHOI took all the crosses, TERI will always be Garr, but any puzzle that has GALOSHES and a cat named SOCKS is my kind of puzzle.
Really Great Wednesday, RG. Many more like this would be welcome indeed, and thanks for all the fun.
This puzzle is a Neat Idea. At 21D, the artist's quote, I was thinking Dall. Problem was, while I was envisioning his work, blanked on his name. And that was good since the answer is KLEE.
I solved this without realizing that the word/answer PAPER “covered” the encircled ROCK, the word/answer SCISSORS “cut” the encircled PAPER, and the word/answer ROCK “broke” the encircled SCISSORS. Pretty nifty, that! I had just thought that ROCK, PAPER, and SCISSORS were ensconced in their circles. So it’s much niftier that I realized. Much! OPTIMISM didn’t bother me, but I had a hard time getting my last letter, the G of the GEEK/GOBAG cross — I don’t think of a GEEK that way and GOBA- was just mysterious for awhile.
Thx Rebecca, for a very challenging Wednes puz! :)
Tough to the max.
Loved the theme! ROSHAMBO was vaguely familiar. Pretty sure I've seen it in the NYT before.
Started off with WAY, and it all went downhill from there. Eventually, changed it to iNS, then after an epic struggle in the NW, finally saw OPTIMISt, so got to ONS.
Didn't know MASA, and tASA made as much sense. After getting the error message at the end, changed the 't' to 'M'. Rereading the clue, I can now see that it had to be OPTIMISM.
Still no happy music. PEGASUS was somewhat familiar but had PEGASeS / eRKEL. Still no happy music. Changed eRKEL to iRKEL. PEGASiS looked better than PEGASeS. Still no happy music (didn't think to try 'U' for URKEL). Wasn't sure of the ASAHI / CHOI cross, but couldn't see anything else that would work there.
Eventually hit the reveal to discover URKEL. By then, I was already at 3x my normal Wednes time. Shan't be forgetting URKEL / PEGASUS soon. lol
Many other clues/words I didn't know, as well. Suffice to say, this was as poor a performance as I can recall for a Wednes.
Having said all that, it was an excellent offering, and I'm saddened that I butchered it so badly. :(
And, I still enjoyed the battle, nevertheless! :) ___ yd 0 (last word)
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As I was unlocking the mysteries of this one, and slowly discerning the theme, I was thinking "This could really be stellar." My enthusiasm was dampened somewhat when I got to what I felt was some unfortunate cluing (I don't think the "heard secondhand" clue for USED CD works at all, for example - and unfortunately it's crossed with something in Arabic). Throw in ASHAI and so-and-so CHOI in the same small section with the aforementioned USED CD and well . . . I could see glory slowly slipping away.
Fortunately I felt somewhat enlightened after getting Rex's (and Lewis's) perspective - especially about how difficult it is to keep the puzzle from deteriorating under the constraints imposed by such a challenging theme/grid. So judged in its entirety, this one seems to be a real winner (except for the Arabic stuff - but who knows, maybe EID is close enough to "common usage", as undefined by Shortz and crew, that it deserves a pass as well).
Glad to see the NYT break out of last week's batting slump and hit a bit of a hot streak this week - keep it up tomorrow guys and gals.
"Rock, Paper, Scissors" must be a very old game because I played it as a child. But I don't think it was called ROSHAMBO back then. I've never heard the word ROSHAMBO. Have any of you? If you have, how old are you? No, that's a rude question. I'm sorry.
Moving right along to the annoying tiny little circles: I'm not sure why they're there. And certainly not why they're there in their individual configurations. Is the ROCK configuration breaking anything? Is the PAPER configuration covering anything? Is the SCISSORS configuration cutting anything? (Visually, that one would seem to come the closest.)
Wouldn't 3D, 54A and 23D have sufficed for ROCK, PAPER SCISSORS? Aren't the tiny little circles overkill?
The other big "Huh?"s for me (other than ROSHAMBO) were GEOTAG and URKEL.
The difficulty level of this puzzle mostly all came from the fill and not the clues. Some exceptions: OPTIMISM, GO BAG and USED CD. But USED CD was a little Green Paint-y. "Come over this evening and I'll play you some of my USED CDs."
Did I enjoy this despite the "Huh?"s, the tiny little circles, and the overkill? Actually I did -- because it offered resistance and required some thinking.
There's an endearing indecisiveness in this puzzle's two Western columns: OPTIMISM/GOBAG; NEATIDEA/ERASE. And, in the South - a new mom's needs for a rainy day -- BABY SOCKS and GALOSHES.
I missed the whole thing! Reading the blog, I get it now. The *real* PAPER covers the *created-from-circles* ROCK! The *real* SCISSORS cuts the *created-from-circles* PAPER. The *real* ROCK breaks the *created-from-circles* SCISSORS.
Very intricate and very clever. Sorry for missing it, Rebecca: this is really well constructed. And the "trick" explains what I thought was a redundancy perfectly. But I'll say for the umpteenth time, I'm not a visual person -- and when I miss stuff, this is the sort of stuff I miss. My sincere apologies.
I thought this was a fun theme. I like that paper, scissors, and rock each appeared twice in the grid. There were some difficult parts but overall I liked the cluing and the fill. I liked genome. I didn't know that rock paper scissors was called Roshambo, so that answer was hard.
I echo pretty much what Rex said today except for the part about the SE being easier. For me that was a gnarly mess, primarily because the only name I ever heard for this game is ROCK PAPER SCISSORS. ROSHAMBO might as well have been clued as yet another Arabic term for all I knew.
Never a fan of duplicate clues or answers but the theme did aid in the solve which is always an asset IMO so that more than made up for it. There’s no denying this was a clever design but it seemed like one of those puzzles that was more fun for the constructor. On to Thursday.
Had some trouble up top, because I refuse to think HIRES ON is a correct answer for "Adds to the team, so to speak." "Hires on" refers to a person finding or starting employment - she hired on at the railroad in 1995.
Well, that wasn't the only spot I had trouble with, but the others were down to me. Never heard of ROSHAMBO, for example. But slowly, especially for a Wednesday, it all went in, helped by the diagonals.
I really did not enjoy this. I never heard of ROSHAMBO. I have never, ever played ROCK PAPER SCISSORS though I know what it is. It just wasn’t a think when I grew up. USEDCD??? ugh. On to Thursday - this was a dud for me
In Rex' review, I got as far as "What's most impressive is that the fill holds up as well as it does" and had to stop. Choi,Asahi,Teri,LaPaz,Urkel,Roshambo,Pegasus,Pez, Oreoss,Zorro,Robbie,Eid,Masa,Panko,geotag,org,baa,asap...WTF ?
Hey All ! ROSHAMBO! Awesome. If you've ever watched "Supernatural", you'd've send the brothers implement that in deciding who gets the duty of doing something neither one wants to.
Initially wasn't thrilled with this puz, as after getting the ROCK in the S Center, seeing in the NE SSORS in the circles (after getting Revealer, cause I've most definitely heard it called that [one of the few things the ole brain remembers]), went up to the NW and put in PAPER, and thought, "That's it? Just the game terminology?" But the split PAPER had me curious as to why it wasn't connected. Didn't notice the same unconnectedness with SCISSORS in the NE. Continued solving, finally having the RO of 23D, noticed it was an italizied clue, and Bam! saw it was ROCK which "broke" the SCISSORS. Thought, "holy moly, could the others follow the game rules?" And lo and behold, saw PAPER "covering" the S Center ROCK, went back to NW, and saw 3D SCISSORS "cutting" through the PAPER. Let out a cry of joy. That elevated this puz for me to a top notch one!
As Rex and others have already said, the fill came out amazingly clean considering the constraints. Consider: an eight letter answer in a V which had to fit into a puz around Blockers, Plus having to have ROCK through it, all those letters are basically unmovable. You can move that entire thing a block or two either way, but then that might screw up your symmetry. Oh yeah, symmetry. You need to get your 8 letter SCISSORS somewhere in the grid, and not only that, it has to go through PAPER somewhere. It's quite difficult to just throw an 8 in someplace. Rebecca put it in the NW in the third Down, which means 1D & 2D have to be 8's. (She could've put in at 5D, thereby avoiding that, I'm sure she probably tried). But then at 5D, that would've interfered with the SCISSORS/ROCK in the NE next to it.
And still, after all that, keep the symmetry while figuring out where to put PAPER "covering" ROCK. Wowsers! And have clean fill. Hats off to you, madam.
And it was fun to solve, judging by the comments here. Someone pointed out that stunt puzs like this are usually just fun for the constructor, not the solver. This hits all the right notes! Brava.
So to say I liked it would be 1) obvious, and 2) understated.
Potential keoloa alert, 25A MISPLACE/DISPLACE. Went with the M, correct guess for me.
Margot ROBBIE is a hot little number. And a good actress. Trying not to sound skeevy. 😁
yd -3, should'ves 2
No F's (won't even kvetch about that, so you know it's a good puz!) RooMonster DarrinV
I love the 1D/2D mirror, especially since the punctuation matters. Googled ROBBIE because I've stopped watching TV and the crosses weren't working for me.
Back in the day I decided it was okay to look up clues with abbreviations and birds (in the back of puzzle books). There used to be a lot more birds. I got pretty good at finding the word without peeking at the other answers.
And these days there seems to be an endless parade of movie stars I've never heard of and will never watch so Google is now my back of the book. I go there guiltless.
And for those who appreciate randomness, the in-vogue way of playing is "rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock" as five options creates less predictable results.
@Georgia ASAHI/CHOI was my last entry. Dropped in an H (hoping) and was happy to see the congrats sign.
Good puzzle. The clump in the middle with LA PAZ, VAT, VEX, PEZ, PLANKO, LAX was lovely.
Did notice the gaps in PA PER and SCIS SORS, but didn't grok the import, nor did I register PAPER covering ROCK at the bottom. Hats off to all who did get the import! Makes the whole construction even more impressive.
"The name Rochambeau, sometimes spelled roshambo or ro-sham-bo and used mainly in the Western United States, is widely believed to be a reference to Count Rochambeau, who, according to a widespread legend, played the game during the American Revolutionary War. This legend is clearly untrue as all evidence points to the game first becoming known in the United States no sooner than sometime during the 1930s.[7][8] It is unclear why exactly this name ended up being associated with the game, with hypotheses ranging from a slight phonetic similarity with the Japanese name jan-ken-pon[7] to the presence of a statue of Rochambeau in a certain Washington, D.C. neighborhood.[8]" (Wikipedia)
New or not firm: ASAHI, CHOI, EID, PANKO, MASA, ROBBIE, OREO O'S, ROSHAMBO
Will be thinking of URKEL & PEGASUS all day. lol ___ td pg: 14:02
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Loved working this puzzle and seeing the theme with the circles. As I went along I kept thinking “Nice!” as I read clues and things came together. Yes, there were things I had to work around and come back to, which is what makes it enjoyable. For me the NW was last to fill, even though I've never heard of ROSHAMBO. Yay Rebecca!
Oh, just had to mention this, a callback to a week or two ago - received today a marketing email from a company touting its new linen sheets (those of you who ride the NYC subway will know the company). "A classic effortlessly careless look - called sprezzatura." Wonder if their copywriter does the Times puzzle....
@Nancy et al - ROSHAMBO I've known for about 20/25 years or so. I'm 46. It is not the usual word we used growing up for the game, though, here in Chicago. Mental Floss does tell me that word is more common in Northern California, but I have no connections to that area. Apparently, the word in print goes back to 1938 Oakland. There was also a movie that came out in 2015 that I remember called "Roshambo." I suspect I picked up this term initially from an online Roshambo game back in the pre-World Wide Web or early WWW days of the internet in the 90s, though later I did have a few friends who used the word for rock-papers-scissors (and neither of them were West Coasters -- one Iowan/New Jerseyan, the other from Dayton.) If you've never played a computer version of it, give it a whirl. Those computers are good at picking up human patterns. You can stymie it by doing something that is purely based on a random generator (say, rolling a die and 1/2 is rock, 3/4 is paper, 5/6 is scissors), but when humans try to be "random" or outguess their opponent, patterns emerge. Humans are terrible at being "random."
I have never ever called Rock Paper Scissors Roshambo, but I think I heard it from one of my kids. To me it's Rochambeau a high school rock band named after a French general who helped us win the battle of Yorktown.
Unlike Rex I kind of like the doubled clues, but I agree with him 100% that OPTIMISM is not what that clue says. Too much of a stretch. I used to be an optimist, but the last six years have worn me down.
I believe in Crossword Puzzleland sheep say BAA and goats say MAA.
@Near the Reading. I disliked HIRESON for a different reason. The clue, "Adds to the team, so to speak" needs only HIRES. The ON just sounds clunky. It's an ROC.* As an aside, I think lots of employers use the term "team" to describe employees.
I knew I was off to a bad experience when the first word I entered was ONS. What followed seemed mostly like a BUNCH of foreign words, names, foods, and locations. PANKO? CHOI? EID? Holy ROSHAMBO, Batman, how did we end up here?
I did have a moment of appreciation when I realized what was going on with the ROCKS, PAPERS, and SCISSORS in the grid and admired the theme IDEA, but that was not enough to make me forget how little I enjoyed solving this. I guess I’m in the minority today, but this puzzle just made me want to say BAA.
Ay...Corazon de melon...What a feast...what a clever, clever puzzle. However....I almost didn't get dessert. 'll start by saying that I've never played that ROCK PAPER SCISSORS game. I certainly know of it, but I don't know how to win. I would always choose scissors because I like to cut. Also (hi @Nancy) have never heard the word ROMSHAMBO uttered in any casino. I think I've seen it spelled the French way which I don't know how to spell . All of this is to say that the only game I'm playing now (with my granddaughter) is hopscotch. You can call it "Peevers" or maybe even"Potsy" and I'd be happy. I immediately saw what Rebeca was doing here and my clam was happy. I did some AHA's and a few OHO's but I also did a fidget dance with my pencil while looking out the window. : What's a festival in Arabic? Who's the commander in Arabic? Who is Woo-shik? What is ASAHI and does it taste good? GEOTAG and GOBAG is all GEEK to me. Does a ewe go BAA or MAA? I don't know what WRIT large means nor why GENOME are nuclear codes. Will I remember these? I'll try but I also might have dreams about them....
Did I finish? I'm not sure -- I put in EID correctly (a word I first learned when the USPS issued a stamp to commemorate it), but due to sloppy hand-lettering, I puzzled over 5D -- what on earth was a USED Co? I'll take the credit, though.
Like @Nancy, I saw the words in the circles and had no idea why they were there until I read Rex. I have to learn to think about the theme more seriously.
I'm surprised so many didn't know ASAHI -- we actually see it fairly often. Also, only 4 Japanese beers are even close to crossworthy, and of those only ASAHI and Kirin have five letters.
I'm 78, and I've never heard of ROSHAMBO until today. OTOH, I remember when people actually wore GALOSHES, something I haven't seen for at least three decades.
OK, I admit it. We did call the game ROSHAMBO forever and I’m 68 years old. I did, in fact, grow up on the West Coast and have remained there for all but 5 of those 68 years. I played ROSHAMBO several times this week to decide who would sit out a game of Pickleball.
I liked USEDCD a lot for its play on words. It’s true that it would sound green paintish in many conversations, but, as the Bard noted, the play’s the thing.
I agree with most that this was a fantastic puzzle. Great in concept, very well executed despite the difficulties noted by Rex and @Lewis. Funny thing is, I found it easy. My time was very fast for a Wednesday and I don’t remember hesitating at anything. Just one of those House o’ Wheels things I guess. Anyway, thanks for a great puzzle, Rebecca Goldstein.
The history of ROSHAMBO is actually extremely interesting. It's first appearance was in 1450 or so, in a Noh play by Kanze Nobumitsu. It features the great Samurai Watanabe no Tsuna who kills the demon dragon Ibaraki-doji at the ROSHAMBO gate.
The next major appearance was a short story by Ryūnosuke Akutagawa in 1915, a meditation on ethics. A man down on his luck, homeless and starving, has to decide between a life of crime and and starving to death. He's currently living under the ROSHAMBO gate just outside of Kyoto, where people also dispose of dead bodies. While deciding between death & a life of crime, he encounters a woman cutting off the hair of the corpses. Outraged at this, he chastises the woman, who says she has to do it because otherwise she'd die. Further, the corpse she's currently taking the hair from, when alive, sold snake meat as fish meat, so she too was a thief, but it was ok because that's what that person had to do to survive. So, the man stole all the woman's belongings, because that's what he had to do to survive.
In its ever changing focus, ROSHAMBO next became a movie by Akira Kurosawa, the premier Japanese film maker(and a fine brewer by the way), which revolved around four completely different versions of a crime of rape and murder, all people telling the version that projects them in the best light.
How any of this relates to rock / paper / scissors is beyond my comprehension.
Curses, foiled by a Wednesday! I don’t really mind because I loved this really nifty theme. Oh my gosh I thought the double duty of ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS existing and then doing what the game requires was awesome. Even better I was stumped by ROSHAMBO. Where the devil did that come from? Is it a dance, holiday or somebody’s last name? Love it. I’m sure it’s explained by someone up above. The D IN EID escaped me too so USEDC just hung there. This just might be my favorite Wednesday.
Absolutely blown away with the intricacies of this puzzle. Had the same issues as most others and didn't find any flow until I was almost done, but with the help of Rex, Lewis and Nancy I see how complex and difficult to construct this puzzle is. "That's good thinking" repeated at 1D & 2D is a most appropriate message right at the top.
Like most people here I've never heard the term ROSHAMBO in my entire life. It has to be one of the most bogus 'nonwords ' to ever appear in the NYTXW. It would make a great 8 letter bingo in Scrabble but even the Scrabble dictionary won't touch it so it lacks real currency. That it isn't a debut is just amazing. Somehow I missed that puzzle or at least failed to make a note of that entry. Apparently there is a tiny fraction of the population that thinks this is a word.
I was amazed to get the " congrats" when I put in SPA. I hadn't parsed out TEASER AD and in vertical form it looked as much like gibberish as ROSHAMBO itself.
I don't normally comment on early week puzzles but this was an exception and I've been away from the blog for a while. My sister and I just did a section hike of the Pacific Crest Trail from March 16th to April 4th. Last Saturday was my grandson's first birthday and our youngest was visiting from Queens for the event and my usual late week commenting had to wait.
Nice to be back in the comments and reading the regulars again.
Ambitious puzzle! I'm amazed that the constructor could make the three instances of defeat work, with the visual representations of the broken scissor blades, the cut sheet of paper, and the paper-covered chunky rock. So, on my part, lots of post-solve admiration.
Actually solving it, though - tough! I have to admit to unreasoning feelings of resentment at being stymied by one clue after another - on a Wednesday! So my EGO got in the way of enjoying the challenge (as I would end-of-week) as much as the puzzle deserved. Time for some attitude adjustment.
Help from previous puzzles: ASAHI. No idea: CHOI, URKEL, ROSHAMBO.
@pabloinnh from yesterday - I read with a smile of recognition about your late-to-class dreams. Mine feature a familiar classroom building but with scarily malfunctioning elevators, a maze of unknown staircases and interminable corridors, ending at an L-shaped classroom where I can see only one half of the class at a time.
Very clever. Must have been difficult to construct but unlike some others this is not a reason to like it. There were lots of “who knows” (ASAHI, EID, CHOI) but all gotten with crosses or deduced, a characteristic of a finely constructed puzzle. All I can say is I liked it so much I scissored it out of the NYT paper. You Rock!
This was the bestest Wednesday puzzle in my recent memory! I didn’t even mind my DNF at EI_/USEDC_ and when revealed my response was D’OH. I just could NOT get my mind off the fact that the “heard” part had to do with gossip and there was some initial term I was missing or didn’t know. Great. I’ll probably have the “school test” dream tonight now like @Pablo.
I guess I don’t get why @Rex and folks here have said the 1D clue is “off” because I filled it in right away. “That’s good” = “positive” thinking =optimism. Maybe I’m missing something. Yes, one may be optimistic about the future, but they can still look at the glass in front of them and think it’s half full or half empty.
I learned ROSHAMBO, that PEZ was a smoking cessation aid (!?), and that MASA is tortilla dough today.
@MarthaCatherine…I am going to conduct my own NYT crossword experiment with respect to BAA/MAA. For whatever reason, I tend to think of goats as MAA and sheep as BAA. Not long ago MAA was clued as a sound from a petting zoo…I think of the pygmy goats..voila….MAA! 🤣🤣🤣
@Pete at 11:25: maybe your tongue was in your cheek, but your references to ROSHAMBO are actually RASHOMON.
For all those unfamiliar with the hand game: the participants shake their fist 3 times like they’re counting off 1-2-3 (RO-SHAM-BO) before revealing their gesture. Versions of the game originated in China as far back as 1600 before spreading to Japan, where it was called “Jon Ken Pon.” The Japanese game eventually spread to Europe in the early 20th century, and made it to the U.S. in the 1930s.
Feisty good WedPuz. The Circles helped my solvequest some, becomin gimmes, after the theme mcguffin became clear at SCISSORS/PAPER.
Neat puzgrid look … has 4 near-Jaws of Themelessness. M&A hereby dubbeths them the Utahs of Themedness.
ZORRO is "the fox" in Spanish. We covered poor TONTO's translation yesterday. RUNT in Spanish is evidently ENANO, btw.
staff weeject pick: EID. Dang, now we gotta start bonin up on our Arabic. [I tried to look up RUNT in Arabic, and I think the answer was "qizm" --could be a great pangrammer helper.] Better EID clue: {Run out of gas while running in reverse??}.
Just a big WOW!!!!!! This Wednesday gem had it all. Sometimes, a puzzle albeit clever is sort of too clever for its own good. I put those in a mental box called “constructors’ puzzles.” Not in any pejorative way, just my own little pea brain’s way to acknowledge the artistry of constructors who obviously toil heroically to create something worthy of publication - not just NYT but anywhere, but their cleverness doesn’t translate well to the solver and the result occasionally is a puzzle more academic than entertaining. While I appreciate the artistry and craft of these puzzles, I don’t get the chuckle or the joy or the fun I always hope to experience.
Then there’s the “silly Sunday” type, so full of wackiness that it palls and lacks some depth. It has little to show for itself as a showplace for the constructor’s ability to balance a little erudition (we puzzlers do enjoy patting ourselves on the back in honor of our not being flummoxed by a constructor) with the wackiness. And one feels beleaguered by the puzzle’s “Knock-Knock Joke” quality.
Then we have puzzles like today’s: clever clues, just the right resistance for a Wednesday and a theme that works on a couple of levels. Sussing out, or rather being completely and happily surprised by the cleverness and depth of this theme brought me some absolute solving joy!
I usually do well with Ms. Goldstein’s puzzles. So many constructors’ wavelengths just don’t seem to tune in on my receiver. Any time I see a Rebecca G byline though, I expect to be able to “tune in.”
I got the entire NW on the acrosses right off the bat, and when I checked those downs, I saw SCISSORS and went back to the clue and noticed the italics. Immediately, I thought RO SHAM BO might be the theme. The italicized “Breaker” sealed it for me and I continued on making quick work of the puzzle thinking, “Is that it?”
Smooth as silk, I continued to solve in a clockwise ramble through the entire grid thoroughly enjoying the fill especially loving that she took the trouble to include RO SHAM BO. And then I hit the south central section.
There on center stage was the Coverer right on top of the mound of circles I could only assume was going to be the ROCK. The light came on and I shamelessly admit that I joyfully said to my cat, Pip “Amazing!” I don’t solve for speed, so I let the seconds tick away while I went back to the top looking to see if indeed SCISSORS cut the circled word “paper” ✔️ and if (and this one was pure construction artistry as its finest) ROCK broke the “scissors,” ✔️ ✔️.
I sat for a good several minutes admiring this work. It is original and clever and so precisely executed as to leave me in awe of Ms. Goldstein’s sheer brilliance.
@Bocamp: Thanks for alerting us to the Count Rochambeau reference. I learned that possibility the first time I heard RO SHAM BO while in Sam Diego years ago, and saw kids on a playground using it to decide first ups. They would form a fist and make a pounding motion for each syllable before throwing their choice, rock scissors, paper. As kids in Ohio, we just said “rock, scissors, paper.” Since finding the reference to Rochambeau, I have continued to wonder if it’s true.
Great puzzle! By the time I got the upper half filled, I took a look at what was in the circles. I rushed down to the bottom, poked around until URKEL gave me the ROCK's order of letters and finished the rest. Woohoo!
I'll agree that getting a start in the NW was a bit hard - had to start with TAIL and go down before getting 1A and 13A.
Two great clues that I circled: 4A "Grape group" = BUNCH. The clue had me looking for a wine type so BUNCH made me laugh. And "Case of emergency" for GO BAG, nice!
No problems here. I knew ROSHAMBO, and used to patronize a winery of that name. Plus, it was in the 70s and after the normal name for the game, in California.
I do doubt popping a PEC is something anyone did, using that term.
Fairly difficult at first but I did it. The only lookup was after the fact, to verify the existence of Ms. ROBBIE. Very clever, though it was a leap to see PAPER covering ROCK, and I never heard of folks popping their PECs.
The puzzle brought back fond memories of ROSHAMBO Winery, which was a major stop on my wine tour in NW Sonoma County. Named after the game, and if you went tasting there, they had a story to explain the name. One of those places where the tastes were so generous you needed a designated driver. The wines were good, and the prices for bottles were fair. The trouble was, they could not cut the wholesale price enough to suit restaurants, or major wine retailers, and the wine was not anything to write home about. They invariably sold us a few bottles, when we went, and maybe I bought the occasional mixed case. They apparently plowed under their vines, which suggests to me they had not chosen their BABY vines well. I always suspected they were not first-rate winemakers, but boy was it fun to go there.
Indeed, had I run the tasting room, I could not have resisted playing the Commander's theme song, "Too Much Fun." (The Commander being, of course, Commander Cody, and his Lost Planet Airmen.
Quite surprised that I finished this one; thought for ages that SW was ungettable for me. Nonetheless, SHE persisted.
I'm with @MargoCatherine and @Beezer and all the others regarding ROSHAM(B)O.
LAPAZ's altitude was too much for my poor dad; he never got further than the airport and my MD mother and the airport doctor found that their mutually rusty Latin was the only common language they had to communicate in. He survived to live another day.
SB -pg -3 and probably as far as I'll get. @bocamp, nice yesterday.
See Bombshell ... I can guarantee you'll never look at Fox News with anything other than distain ever again! And Charlize Theron proves yet again what a fabulous actress she is.
Hi puzzlehoarder! How’s that second knee job doing? Haha! Obviously pretty great because that was some “hike”. You might call it a trek or alternately the March to Bataan. Nice to see you.
My biggest gripe was not the use of ROSHAMBO for RPS -- that I know well as a west coaster and someone who has seen early episodes of South Park. (Finally, an advantage in the NYTXW for being a non-NYer!) What bothered me was the spelling. Having only heard it, I assumed it was spelled just like the general's name. It was clear when the space wasn't long enough that I was in for some alternate spelling shenanigans. Gah. And popping pecs is just ridiculous. Fun puzzle otherwise.
Yes, I discovered 'Rashomon' as I was searching the IMDB for Akira Kurosawa. Signed up for a 14 day free trial on the Criterion Channel to watch it. It's currently rated #52 on the TGF Greatest Films List. 🎥 (hi @Mary McCarty (11:56 AM) / @Peter P (1:18 PM) )
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So, in other words, the name of a certain Kurosawa film becomes the name of a certain child's game if you reverse the second and fifth letters, drop the last letter, and insert the letter that alphabetically follows the new fifth letter before the new last letter, which was previously the penultimate letter. Got it.
True fact: I have never played rock-paper-scissors. (I have tossed a coin where there were 2 of us, and have done pick-the-short-straw when 3 or more. Also pick-a-number.) Maybe this is why I never noticed the SCISSORS cutting the P A P E R, etc.
I finished with a silly error: OPTIMIST crossing TASA. I should have noticed the clue was not '"That's good" thinker'.
LA PAZ is amazing... about the same altitude as the highest peak in the Canadian Rockies.
[Spelling Bee: yd 7 min to pg, then QB later. My last word was a SB standard. td: 5:50 to pg.]
It's Ramadan right now -- even if you're not Muslim, if you're around any sort of Muslim community you'll start seeing references to Eid in the near future, which is the celebration of the end of Ramadan. (It has a longer name but most people just call it Eid.) Didn't realize that it literally meant festival but I figured it out when I knew I was looking for a three-letter word ending with D.
@eggs- Growing up in Ohio, we determined first pick at anything with Rock, Paper, Scissors. I learned RO SHAM BO on a visit to San Diego a thirty-something adult. I always found it lots more dun than a coin flip.
Exactly one year past my second full knee, I am happy to say those two major slogs are the best health decisions I have ever made for myself. Sounds as if you are doing well, too. Best wishes for continues health and hiking!
Really terrific puzzle. All the theme answers work perfectly, and every permutation is present and accounted for (meaning 3, but still…). The only thing I don’t understand is popping a PEC. I’ve seen a patient who tore a PEC while bench pressing and it was unpleasant to look at. I think it was more unpleasant for the patient.
We called rock paper scissors rock paper scissors. RoPamSo I could understand.
It was either RPS or Odds and Evens where you put out 1 or 2 fingers. One person would yell odds or evens. Matching numbers (of fingers) were even. Differing numbers were odds. The question with both games was do you go 1,2,3 or 1,2,3 shoot. I think was a problem for Mel Gibson in a movie too. Odds and Evens has the advantage of no ties but RPS seemed to be more fun.
Great puzzle but I got beat over the head with all the non-English words I didn't know. Crazy tough Wednesday. I also loved it because it reminded me of the time I beat my best friend 15 times in a row in RPS. I was reading him like a book.
Ok, I am a lawyer, so let me lawyer "optimism". I judge that this is good, and that is good, and the other thing is good. What kind of thinking is that? It's "that's good" thinking. Works for me. Maybe my favorite clue/answer in the puzzle.
Include me among those who have never heard the word Roshambo.
Never heard of Roshambo…We are in Hawai’i on vacation so the puzzle was done at vacation speed, pretty slow. The puzzle was entertaining and difficult for a Wednesday.
Sorry, couldn't finish--because some idiot printed Monday's byline and clue list under today's grid. I hope it was only the LV Sun that dropped this ball, and not all of Syndiland.
But as long as I'm here, I'll show you my Wordle birdie:
BBBBY GBGYB GGGGG
with a word taken from yesterday's grid as starter.
Very nicely done. This is Rebecca’s third NYTXW and it’s a beauty. Yes there are nits as Rex pointed out, but they are too minor to pick. Puzzle of the month for sure.
I immediately put GP (green paint) in the margin for USEDCD. I see a couple other commenters thought the same. Did not know ROSHAMBO was the name for that game. Margot ROBBIE, yeah BABY!
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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Totally boggled in the NW, so I moved on to the N, which was easier. Worked my way around clockwise, finishing in the NW, where VALET at 33D helped get SERVER at 32A. Then I found I'd been so boggled I'd missed reading the clues for two gimmies: IDO at 29A and TAIL at 16A. I didn't get the rock-paper-scissors connection until ROSHAMBO (which I initially misspelled as ROcHAMBO but easily fixed). Then I understood not only the circled squares but the answers that duplicated the circled squares and the italicized clues. Very nice Wednesday!
It was nice to see such a positive review. Rex has to be Rex though. His OPTIMISM screed, I think, was a result of his frustration in the NW and overthinking the clue.
Wordle 3.
Oh man I enjoyed this. Rebecca is a playful and entertaining constructor. This is, let me remind you, the person who, in her first NYT puzzle (this is her third), mixed around the letters NACL in rebus boxes, with the reveal SALT SHAKER.
Today’s visuals – what a brilliant idea, and I don’t use the B-word casually, and what deft handling of what had to be a difficult grid build (diagonals words are uber-tough to work with).
Furthermore, Rebecca is a wordplayer, and thus a warmer of my heart. It’s plain to see in the 1D/2D echoing clues, in clues like [Grape group], in the clues for SPA, GO BAG, and the marvelous [Nuclear codes?] for GENOME. Plus, Rebecca thinks out of the box, i.e., giving a visual clue for SOCKS – [Good name for a black cat with white feet] – rather than a definitional one. Never been a clue like this for that word (and I checked) in the major crossword venues.
This inventiveness all adds up to fun. I can’t wait for your next puzzle, Rebecca. You are a Crosslandia spark. Thank you!
What a fantastic puzzle! Often the solving experience suffers a bit when the construction is a work of art. Not today! Everything about this is superb. OK. Maybe not 1A, ONS. Could be the worst POC ever (or am I missing something?). But other than that, [chef's kiss]!
Everything about the theme was great. Having the ROCK ‘break’ the scissors, SCISSORS ‘cut’ the paper, and PAPER ‘cover’ the rock – mwah.
Weirdly, the weakest part of the grid is the area with almost no theme pressure – that isolated SW corner. Part of that was some odd clueing (ASIA in particular).
I’ve only ever seen Margot ROBBIE in Pan Am – remember that show? I do plan to see I, TONYA eventually.
I always ‘knew’ PEGASUS was ridden by Bellerophon, and I was prepared to rip on the puzzle for getting it wrong. It turns out, though, that there are some versions in which Perseus gets a turn. I will grudgingly accept it, but I don’t like it.
What a NEATIDEA. I thought the way SCISSORS cut paper, ROCK broke scissors, and PAPER covered rock was brilliant. Did not know this game was called ROSHAMBO, so the "reveal" didnt help complete the themers, and the SE was thus where I struggled. Trying to get those 3 longish downs there with ahA before SPA took me awhile.
OPTIMISM was my first entry, had no quibble with the cluing for that at all. Enjoyed learning MASA and PANKO. Smiles for SHE, USEDCD, GEEK, and URKEL. Have been to Loch Tay. This one just sparkled. Happy hump day, all.
Know ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS. Never heard of ROSHAMBO. Apparently it’s a west coast thing. They should keep it.
Fun theme I guess - thought the cluing was a little disjoint. The cheap seats where I grew up never knew of ROSHAMBO - that was new to me. Like the grid visuals and the completeness of the theme.
Some fine longs - IMPERIAL, NEAT IDEA, GALOSHES are all solid. Some trivia I needed crosses for - CHOI, OREO O’S. PEGASUS is always cool to see.
Enjoyable Wednesday solve.
I'm glad the version of the puzzle I printed didn't have italicized clues for the theme answers. I much prefer the adventure of discovering the theme all on my own. I didn't know ROSHAMBO but crosses were fair. Very enjoyable solve. Rex - going fishing with ROBBIE is a fun visual!
This is one of those construction feats that's actually fun to figure out, and therefore can rightfully be called a "feat" and not a "stunt puzzle". Very nice indeed.
The first two downs may have been easier if I had looked more closely at where the quotation marks actually were, which I did not. My "nice" had to be NEAT to describe the IDEA, and OPTIMISM finally made sense when I looked again at the quotation marks. Note to self, pay attention.
Somehow I have never run into ROSHAMBO as a name for this game, so that's something learned. Didn't really know the LOCHS in question, EID was new, as was GEOTAG. CHOI took all the crosses, TERI will always be Garr, but any puzzle that has GALOSHES and a cat named SOCKS is my kind of puzzle.
Really Great Wednesday, RG. Many more like this would be welcome indeed, and thanks for all the fun.
Very clever! Except for the Asahi/Choi cross at the top .....
This puzzle is a Neat Idea. At 21D, the artist's quote, I was thinking Dall. Problem was, while I was envisioning his work, blanked on his name. And that was good since the answer is KLEE.
I solved this without realizing that the word/answer PAPER “covered” the encircled ROCK, the word/answer SCISSORS “cut” the encircled PAPER, and the word/answer ROCK “broke” the encircled SCISSORS. Pretty nifty, that! I had just thought that ROCK, PAPER, and SCISSORS were ensconced in their circles. So it’s much niftier that I realized. Much! OPTIMISM didn’t bother me, but I had a hard time getting my last letter, the G of the GEEK/GOBAG cross — I don’t think of a GEEK that way and GOBA- was just mysterious for awhile.
All sorts of things are deemed verboten on this blog.
But featuring a serial child rapist is OK.
Thx Rebecca, for a very challenging Wednes puz! :)
Tough to the max.
Loved the theme! ROSHAMBO was vaguely familiar. Pretty sure I've seen it in the NYT before.
Started off with WAY, and it all went downhill from there. Eventually, changed it to iNS, then after an epic struggle in the NW, finally saw OPTIMISt, so got to ONS.
Didn't know MASA, and tASA made as much sense. After getting the error message at the end, changed the 't' to 'M'. Rereading the clue, I can now see that it had to be OPTIMISM.
Still no happy music. PEGASUS was somewhat familiar but had PEGASeS / eRKEL. Still no happy music. Changed eRKEL to iRKEL. PEGASiS looked better than PEGASeS. Still no happy music (didn't think to try 'U' for URKEL). Wasn't sure of the ASAHI / CHOI cross, but couldn't see anything else that would work there.
Eventually hit the reveal to discover URKEL. By then, I was already at 3x my normal Wednes time. Shan't be forgetting URKEL / PEGASUS soon. lol
Many other clues/words I didn't know, as well. Suffice to say, this was as poor a performance as I can recall for a Wednes.
Having said all that, it was an excellent offering, and I'm saddened that I butchered it so badly. :(
And, I still enjoyed the battle, nevertheless! :)
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Kudos Rebecca!! One of the best ever!
Forgot to say that after all yesterday's discussion, last night I had another one of those "school dreams". Thanks a lot everybody.
As I was unlocking the mysteries of this one, and slowly discerning the theme, I was thinking "This could really be stellar." My enthusiasm was dampened somewhat when I got to what I felt was some unfortunate cluing (I don't think the "heard secondhand" clue for USED CD works at all, for example - and unfortunately it's crossed with something in Arabic). Throw in ASHAI and so-and-so CHOI in the same small section with the aforementioned USED CD and well . . . I could see glory slowly slipping away.
Fortunately I felt somewhat enlightened after getting Rex's (and Lewis's) perspective - especially about how difficult it is to keep the puzzle from deteriorating under the constraints imposed by such a challenging theme/grid. So judged in its entirety, this one seems to be a real winner (except for the Arabic stuff - but who knows, maybe EID is close enough to "common usage", as undefined by Shortz and crew, that it deserves a pass as well).
Glad to see the NYT break out of last week's batting slump and hit a bit of a hot streak this week - keep it up tomorrow guys and gals.
I was afraid I was going to be Naticked at the I in the ASHAI-CHOI crossing, but then SCISSORS came to the rescue.
This piece on the NYT Crossword Puzzle 80th Birthday was on the the NBC Today Show on Monday
https://www.today.com/video/will-shortz-on-why-the-new-york-times-crossword-puzzle-endures-137468485569
"Rock, Paper, Scissors" must be a very old game because I played it as a child. But I don't think it was called ROSHAMBO back then. I've never heard the word ROSHAMBO. Have any of you? If you have, how old are you? No, that's a rude question. I'm sorry.
Moving right along to the annoying tiny little circles: I'm not sure why they're there. And certainly not why they're there in their individual configurations. Is the ROCK configuration breaking anything? Is the PAPER configuration covering anything? Is the SCISSORS configuration cutting anything? (Visually, that one would seem to come the closest.)
Wouldn't 3D, 54A and 23D have sufficed for ROCK, PAPER SCISSORS? Aren't the tiny little circles overkill?
The other big "Huh?"s for me (other than ROSHAMBO) were GEOTAG and URKEL.
The difficulty level of this puzzle mostly all came from the fill and not the clues. Some exceptions: OPTIMISM, GO BAG and USED CD. But USED CD was a little Green Paint-y. "Come over this evening and I'll play you some of my USED CDs."
Did I enjoy this despite the "Huh?"s, the tiny little circles, and the overkill? Actually I did -- because it offered resistance and required some thinking.
There's an endearing indecisiveness in this puzzle's two Western columns: OPTIMISM/GOBAG; NEATIDEA/ERASE. And, in the South - a new mom's needs for a rainy day -- BABY SOCKS and GALOSHES.
Tough. WOEs were CHOI, and KLEE and LOCHS as clued. I needed to get the theme to solve this one. Visually clever, liked it a BUNCH!
From yesterday:
@Anoa Bob- back in the Navy dreams - Check - took about 10 years for those to go away.
@ Joe D - Smoking after I quit dreams- Check - they hung on for about 4 years after i quit.
@okanaganer & Roo - dreams where I know I am dreaming - check - still have those.
....and @Anoa Bob - self explanatory works for me.
I missed the whole thing! Reading the blog, I get it now. The *real* PAPER covers the *created-from-circles* ROCK! The *real* SCISSORS cuts the *created-from-circles* PAPER. The *real* ROCK breaks the *created-from-circles* SCISSORS.
Very intricate and very clever. Sorry for missing it, Rebecca: this is really well constructed. And the "trick" explains what I thought was a redundancy perfectly. But I'll say for the umpteenth time, I'm not a visual person -- and when I miss stuff, this is the sort of stuff I miss. My sincere apologies.
I thought this was a fun theme. I like that paper, scissors, and rock each appeared twice in the grid. There were some difficult parts but overall I liked the cluing and the fill. I liked genome. I didn't know that rock paper scissors was called Roshambo, so that answer was hard.
I echo pretty much what Rex said today except for the part about the SE being easier. For me that was a gnarly mess, primarily because the only name I ever heard for this game is ROCK PAPER SCISSORS. ROSHAMBO might as well have been clued as yet another Arabic term for all I knew.
Never a fan of duplicate clues or answers but the theme did aid in the solve which is always an asset IMO so that more than made up for it. There’s no denying this was a clever design but it seemed like one of those puzzles that was more fun for the constructor. On to Thursday.
Sorry— just not an enjoyable solve today!
Had some trouble up top, because I refuse to think HIRES ON is a correct answer for "Adds to the team, so to speak." "Hires on" refers to a person finding or starting employment - she hired on at the railroad in 1995.
Well, that wasn't the only spot I had trouble with, but the others were down to me. Never heard of ROSHAMBO, for example. But slowly, especially for a Wednesday, it all went in, helped by the diagonals.
I really did not enjoy this. I never heard of ROSHAMBO. I have never, ever played ROCK PAPER SCISSORS though I know what it is. It just wasn’t a think when I grew up. USEDCD??? ugh. On to Thursday - this was a dud for me
In Rex' review, I got as far as "What's most impressive is that the fill holds up as well as it does" and had to stop. Choi,Asahi,Teri,LaPaz,Urkel,Roshambo,Pegasus,Pez, Oreoss,Zorro,Robbie,Eid,Masa,Panko,geotag,org,baa,asap...WTF ?
Now on to @Lewis to complete my morning.
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ROSHAMBO! Awesome. If you've ever watched "Supernatural", you'd've send the brothers implement that in deciding who gets the duty of doing something neither one wants to.
Initially wasn't thrilled with this puz, as after getting the ROCK in the S Center, seeing in the NE SSORS in the circles (after getting Revealer, cause I've most definitely heard it called that [one of the few things the ole brain remembers]), went up to the NW and put in PAPER, and thought, "That's it? Just the game terminology?" But the split PAPER had me curious as to why it wasn't connected. Didn't notice the same unconnectedness with SCISSORS in the NE. Continued solving, finally having the RO of 23D, noticed it was an italizied clue, and Bam! saw it was ROCK which "broke" the SCISSORS. Thought, "holy moly, could the others follow the game rules?" And lo and behold, saw PAPER "covering" the S Center ROCK, went back to NW, and saw 3D SCISSORS "cutting" through the PAPER. Let out a cry of joy. That elevated this puz for me to a top notch one!
As Rex and others have already said, the fill came out amazingly clean considering the constraints. Consider: an eight letter answer in a V which had to fit into a puz around Blockers, Plus having to have ROCK through it, all those letters are basically unmovable. You can move that entire thing a block or two either way, but then that might screw up your symmetry. Oh yeah, symmetry. You need to get your 8 letter SCISSORS somewhere in the grid, and not only that, it has to go through PAPER somewhere. It's quite difficult to just throw an 8 in someplace. Rebecca put it in the NW in the third Down, which means 1D & 2D have to be 8's. (She could've put in at 5D, thereby avoiding that, I'm sure she probably tried). But then at 5D, that would've interfered with the SCISSORS/ROCK in the NE next to it.
And still, after all that, keep the symmetry while figuring out where to put PAPER "covering" ROCK. Wowsers! And have clean fill. Hats off to you, madam.
And it was fun to solve, judging by the comments here. Someone pointed out that stunt puzs like this are usually just fun for the constructor, not the solver. This hits all the right notes! Brava.
So to say I liked it would be 1) obvious, and 2) understated.
Potential keoloa alert, 25A MISPLACE/DISPLACE. Went with the M, correct guess for me.
Margot ROBBIE is a hot little number. And a good actress. Trying not to sound skeevy. 😁
yd -3, should'ves 2
No F's (won't even kvetch about that, so you know it's a good puz!)
RooMonster
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I love the 1D/2D mirror, especially since the punctuation matters. Googled ROBBIE because I've stopped watching TV and the crosses weren't working for me.
Back in the day I decided it was okay to look up clues with abbreviations and birds (in the back of puzzle books). There used to be a lot more birds. I got pretty good at finding the word without peeking at the other answers.
And these days there seems to be an endless parade of movie stars I've never heard of and will never watch so Google is now my back of the book. I go there guiltless.
And for those who appreciate randomness, the in-vogue way of playing is "rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock" as five options creates less predictable results.
@Georgia ASAHI/CHOI was my last entry. Dropped in an H (hoping) and was happy to see the congrats sign.
Good puzzle. The clump in the middle with LA PAZ, VAT, VEX, PEZ, PLANKO, LAX was lovely.
Did notice the gaps in PA PER and SCIS SORS, but didn't grok the import, nor did I register PAPER covering ROCK at the bottom. Hats off to all who did get the import! Makes the whole construction even more impressive.
"The name Rochambeau, sometimes spelled roshambo or ro-sham-bo and used mainly in the Western United States, is widely believed to be a reference to Count Rochambeau, who, according to a widespread legend, played the game during the American Revolutionary War. This legend is clearly untrue as all evidence points to the game first becoming known in the United States no sooner than sometime during the 1930s.[7][8] It is unclear why exactly this name ended up being associated with the game, with hypotheses ranging from a slight phonetic similarity with the Japanese name jan-ken-pon[7] to the presence of a statue of Rochambeau in a certain Washington, D.C. neighborhood.[8]" (Wikipedia)
New or not firm: ASAHI, CHOI, EID, PANKO, MASA, ROBBIE, OREO O'S, ROSHAMBO
Will be thinking of URKEL & PEGASUS all day. lol
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There are 41 across answers in the puzzle. 26 are actual single (not phrased) English words. I'm not even going to bother with the downs.
"Roshambo", huh ? Whats it called in Norwegian ? Or Gaelic ?
Okay, I'm done.
Loved working this puzzle and seeing the theme with the circles. As I went along I kept thinking “Nice!” as I read clues and things came together. Yes, there were things I had to work around and come back to, which is what makes it enjoyable. For me the NW was last to fill, even though I've never heard of ROSHAMBO. Yay Rebecca!
Oh, just had to mention this, a callback to a week or two ago - received today a marketing email from a company touting its new linen sheets (those of you who ride the NYC subway will know the company). "A classic effortlessly careless look - called sprezzatura." Wonder if their copywriter does the Times puzzle....
Ewes can say BAA or mAA, and ROSHAMmO made as much sense to me as ROSHAMBO. Grrrrrr.
I bet I'm not the only one...
@Nancy et al - ROSHAMBO I've known for about 20/25 years or so. I'm 46. It is not the usual word we used growing up for the game, though, here in Chicago. Mental Floss does tell me that word is more common in Northern California, but I have no connections to that area. Apparently, the word in print goes back to 1938 Oakland. There was also a movie that came out in 2015 that I remember called "Roshambo." I suspect I picked up this term initially from an online Roshambo game back in the pre-World Wide Web or early WWW days of the internet in the 90s, though later I did have a few friends who used the word for rock-papers-scissors (and neither of them were West Coasters -- one Iowan/New Jerseyan, the other from Dayton.) If you've never played a computer version of it, give it a whirl. Those computers are good at picking up human patterns. You can stymie it by doing something that is purely based on a random generator (say, rolling a die and 1/2 is rock, 3/4 is paper, 5/6 is scissors), but when humans try to be "random" or outguess their opponent, patterns emerge. Humans are terrible at being "random."
I have never ever called Rock Paper Scissors Roshambo, but I think I heard it from one of my kids. To me it's Rochambeau a high school rock band named after a French general who helped us win the battle of Yorktown.
Unlike Rex I kind of like the doubled clues, but I agree with him 100% that OPTIMISM is not what that clue says. Too much of a stretch. I used to be an optimist, but the last six years have worn me down.
I believe in Crossword Puzzleland sheep say BAA and goats say MAA.
Cute puzzle.
@Near the Reading. I disliked HIRESON for a different reason. The clue, "Adds to the team, so to speak" needs only HIRES. The ON just sounds clunky. It's an ROC.* As an aside, I think lots of employers use the term "team" to describe employees.
*Redundancy Of Convenience.
Has anyone seen my wheelhouse?
I knew I was off to a bad experience when the first word I entered was ONS. What followed seemed mostly like a BUNCH of foreign words, names, foods, and locations. PANKO? CHOI? EID? Holy ROSHAMBO, Batman, how did we end up here?
I did have a moment of appreciation when I realized what was going on with the ROCKS, PAPERS, and SCISSORS in the grid and admired the theme IDEA, but that was not enough to make me forget how little I enjoyed solving this. I guess I’m in the minority today, but this puzzle just made me want to say BAA.
Ay...Corazon de melon...What a feast...what a clever, clever puzzle. However....I almost didn't get dessert.
'll start by saying that I've never played that ROCK PAPER SCISSORS game. I certainly know of it, but I don't know how to win. I would always choose scissors because I like to cut. Also (hi @Nancy) have never heard the word ROMSHAMBO uttered in any casino. I think I've seen it spelled the French way which I don't know how to spell . All of this is to say that the only game I'm playing now (with my granddaughter) is hopscotch. You can call it "Peevers" or maybe even"Potsy" and I'd be happy.
I immediately saw what Rebeca was doing here and my clam was happy. I did some AHA's and a few OHO's but I also did a fidget dance with my pencil while looking out the window. :
What's a festival in Arabic? Who's the commander in Arabic? Who is Woo-shik? What is ASAHI and does it taste good? GEOTAG and GOBAG is all GEEK to me. Does a ewe go BAA or MAA?
I don't know what WRIT large means nor why GENOME are nuclear codes. Will I remember these? I'll try but I also might have dreams about them....
this must be the Freedom Fries spelling. OTOH, as a kid (when it was everywhere), we just called it in English, 'rock, paper, scissors'.
Did I finish? I'm not sure -- I put in EID correctly (a word I first learned when the USPS issued a stamp to commemorate it), but due to sloppy hand-lettering, I puzzled over 5D -- what on earth was a USED Co? I'll take the credit, though.
Like @Nancy, I saw the words in the circles and had no idea why they were there until I read Rex. I have to learn to think about the theme more seriously.
I'm surprised so many didn't know ASAHI -- we actually see it fairly often. Also, only 4 Japanese beers are even close to crossworthy, and of those only ASAHI and Kirin have five letters.
I'm 78, and I've never heard of ROSHAMBO until today. OTOH, I remember when people actually wore GALOSHES, something I haven't seen for at least three decades.
OK, I admit it. We did call the game ROSHAMBO forever and I’m 68 years old. I did, in fact, grow up on the West Coast and have remained there for all but 5 of those 68 years. I played ROSHAMBO several times this week to decide who would sit out a game of Pickleball.
I liked USEDCD a lot for its play on words. It’s true that it would sound green paintish in many conversations, but, as the Bard noted, the play’s the thing.
I agree with most that this was a fantastic puzzle. Great in concept, very well executed despite the difficulties noted by Rex and @Lewis. Funny thing is, I found it easy. My time was very fast for a Wednesday and I don’t remember hesitating at anything. Just one of those House o’ Wheels things I guess. Anyway, thanks for a great puzzle, Rebecca Goldstein.
The history of ROSHAMBO is actually extremely interesting. It's first appearance was in 1450 or so, in a Noh play by Kanze Nobumitsu. It features the great Samurai Watanabe no Tsuna who kills the demon dragon Ibaraki-doji at the ROSHAMBO gate.
The next major appearance was a short story by Ryūnosuke Akutagawa in 1915, a meditation on ethics. A man down on his luck, homeless and starving, has to decide between a life of crime and and starving to death. He's currently living under the ROSHAMBO gate just outside of Kyoto, where people also dispose of dead bodies. While deciding between death & a life of crime, he encounters a woman cutting off the hair of the corpses. Outraged at this, he chastises the woman, who says she has to do it because otherwise she'd die. Further, the corpse she's currently taking the hair from, when alive, sold snake meat as fish meat, so she too was a thief, but it was ok because that's what that person had to do to survive. So, the man stole all the woman's belongings, because that's what he had to do to survive.
In its ever changing focus, ROSHAMBO next became a movie by Akira Kurosawa, the premier Japanese film maker(and a fine brewer by the way), which revolved around four completely different versions of a crime of rape and murder, all people telling the version that projects them in the best light.
How any of this relates to rock / paper / scissors is beyond my comprehension.
An unusual looking Eagle. Starter word from today’s puzzle.
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Curses, foiled by a Wednesday! I don’t really mind because I loved this really nifty theme. Oh my gosh I thought the double duty of ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS existing and then doing what the game requires was awesome. Even better I was stumped by ROSHAMBO. Where the devil did that come from? Is it a dance, holiday or somebody’s last name? Love it. I’m sure it’s explained by someone up above.
The D IN EID escaped me too so USEDC just hung there. This just might be my favorite Wednesday.
Absolutely blown away with the intricacies of this puzzle. Had the same issues as most others and didn't find any flow until I was almost done, but with the help of Rex, Lewis and Nancy I see how complex and difficult to construct this puzzle is. "That's good thinking" repeated at 1D & 2D is a most appropriate message right at the top.
Like most people here I've never heard the term ROSHAMBO in my entire life. It has to be one of the most bogus 'nonwords ' to ever appear in the NYTXW. It would make a great 8 letter bingo in Scrabble but even the Scrabble dictionary won't touch it so it lacks real currency. That it isn't a debut is just amazing. Somehow I missed that puzzle or at least failed to make a note of that entry. Apparently there is a tiny fraction of the population that thinks this is a word.
I was amazed to get the " congrats" when I put in SPA. I hadn't parsed out TEASER AD and in vertical form it looked as much like gibberish as ROSHAMBO itself.
I don't normally comment on early week puzzles but this was an exception and I've been away from the blog for a while. My sister and I just did a section hike of the Pacific Crest Trail from March 16th to April 4th. Last Saturday was my grandson's first birthday and our youngest was visiting from Queens for the event and my usual late week commenting had to wait.
Nice to be back in the comments and reading the regulars again.
Ambitious puzzle! I'm amazed that the constructor could make the three instances of defeat work, with the visual representations of the broken scissor blades, the cut sheet of paper, and the paper-covered chunky rock. So, on my part, lots of post-solve admiration.
Actually solving it, though - tough! I have to admit to unreasoning feelings of resentment at being stymied by one clue after another - on a Wednesday! So my EGO got in the way of enjoying the challenge (as I would end-of-week) as much as the puzzle deserved. Time for some attitude adjustment.
Help from previous puzzles: ASAHI. No idea: CHOI, URKEL, ROSHAMBO.
@pabloinnh from yesterday - I read with a smile of recognition about your late-to-class dreams. Mine feature a familiar classroom building but with scarily malfunctioning elevators, a maze of unknown staircases and interminable corridors, ending at an L-shaped classroom where I can see only one half of the class at a time.
@Pete 11:25. Smack my head! How could I remember the silly comedy but forget the Akita Kurasawa movie. Thanks for all the interesting info!
Very clever. Must have been difficult to construct but unlike some others this is not a reason to like it.
There were lots of “who knows” (ASAHI, EID, CHOI) but all gotten with crosses or deduced, a characteristic of a finely constructed puzzle. All I can say is I liked it so much I scissored it out of the NYT paper. You Rock!
This was the bestest Wednesday puzzle in my recent memory! I didn’t even mind my DNF at EI_/USEDC_ and when revealed my response was D’OH. I just could NOT get my mind off the fact that the “heard” part had to do with gossip and there was some initial term I was missing or didn’t know. Great. I’ll probably have the “school test” dream tonight now like @Pablo.
I guess I don’t get why @Rex and folks here have said the 1D clue is “off” because I filled it in right away. “That’s good” = “positive” thinking =optimism. Maybe I’m missing something. Yes, one may be optimistic about the future, but they can still look at the glass in front of them and think it’s half full or half empty.
I learned ROSHAMBO, that PEZ was a smoking cessation aid (!?), and that MASA is tortilla dough today.
@MarthaCatherine…I am going to conduct my own NYT crossword experiment with respect to BAA/MAA. For whatever reason, I tend to think of goats as MAA and sheep as BAA. Not long ago MAA was clued as a sound from a petting zoo…I think of the pygmy goats..voila….MAA! 🤣🤣🤣
had acl for too long as the 'popped' muscle but was eventually rewarded by the lovely symmetry of pec poppin' teri polo !
@Pete at 11:25: maybe your tongue was in your cheek, but your references to ROSHAMBO are actually RASHOMON.
For all those unfamiliar with the hand game: the participants shake their fist 3 times like they’re counting off 1-2-3 (RO-SHAM-BO) before revealing their gesture. Versions of the game originated in China as far back as 1600 before spreading to Japan, where it was called “Jon Ken Pon.” The Japanese game eventually spread to Europe in the early 20th century, and made it to the U.S. in the 1930s.
Feisty good WedPuz. The Circles helped my solvequest some, becomin gimmes, after the theme mcguffin became clear at SCISSORS/PAPER.
Neat puzgrid look … has 4 near-Jaws of Themelessness. M&A hereby dubbeths them the Utahs of Themedness.
ZORRO is "the fox" in Spanish. We covered poor TONTO's translation yesterday. RUNT in Spanish is evidently ENANO, btw.
staff weeject pick: EID. Dang, now we gotta start bonin up on our Arabic. [I tried to look up RUNT in Arabic, and I think the answer was "qizm" --could be a great pangrammer helper.] Better EID clue: {Run out of gas while running in reverse??}.
no-knows: ROSHAMBO. PANKO. CHOI/ASAHI (sorta vaguely recall ASAHI, now). EID. MASA. ROBBIE.
"Coverer". har
foxy faves: ZORRO + SLY clue. PEGASUS. GEOTAG/GOBAG. SERVER/VALET and OPTIMISM + NEATIDEA clues.
Thanx for the fun, Ms. Goldstein darlin. And for the starter Arabic lesson.
Masked & AnonymoUUs
**gruntz**
@anon 11:55 The L of ACL is Ligament, so not a muscle.
Just a big WOW!!!!!! This Wednesday gem had it all. Sometimes, a puzzle albeit clever is sort of too clever for its own good. I put those in a mental box called “constructors’ puzzles.” Not in any pejorative way, just my own little pea brain’s way to acknowledge the artistry of constructors who obviously toil heroically to create something worthy of publication - not just NYT but anywhere, but their cleverness doesn’t translate well to the solver and the result occasionally is a puzzle more academic than entertaining. While I appreciate the artistry and craft of these puzzles, I don’t get the chuckle or the joy or the fun I always hope to experience.
Then there’s the “silly Sunday” type, so full of wackiness that it palls and lacks some depth. It has little to show for itself as a showplace for the constructor’s ability to balance a little erudition (we puzzlers do enjoy patting ourselves on the back in honor of our not being flummoxed by a constructor) with the wackiness. And one feels beleaguered by the puzzle’s “Knock-Knock Joke” quality.
Then we have puzzles like today’s: clever clues, just the right resistance for a Wednesday and a theme that works on a couple of levels. Sussing out, or rather being completely and happily surprised by the cleverness and depth of this theme brought me some absolute solving joy!
I usually do well with Ms. Goldstein’s puzzles. So many constructors’ wavelengths just don’t seem to tune in on my receiver. Any time I see a Rebecca G byline though, I expect to be able to “tune in.”
I got the entire NW on the acrosses right off the bat, and when I checked those downs, I saw SCISSORS and went back to the clue and noticed the italics. Immediately, I thought RO SHAM BO might be the theme. The italicized “Breaker” sealed it for me and I continued on making quick work of the puzzle thinking, “Is that it?”
Smooth as silk, I continued to solve in a clockwise ramble through the entire grid thoroughly enjoying the fill especially loving that she took the trouble to include RO SHAM BO. And then I hit the south central section.
There on center stage was the Coverer right on top of the mound of circles I could only assume was going to be the ROCK. The light came on and I shamelessly admit that I joyfully said to my cat, Pip “Amazing!” I don’t solve for speed, so I let the seconds tick away while I went back to the top looking to see if indeed SCISSORS cut the circled word “paper” ✔️ and if (and this one was pure construction artistry as its finest) ROCK broke the “scissors,” ✔️ ✔️.
I sat for a good several minutes admiring this work. It is original and clever and so precisely executed as to leave me in awe of Ms. Goldstein’s sheer brilliance.
Just WOW.
@Bocamp: Thanks for alerting us to the Count Rochambeau reference. I learned that possibility the first time I heard RO SHAM BO while in Sam Diego years ago, and saw kids on a playground using it to decide first ups. They would form a fist and make a pounding motion for each syllable before throwing their choice, rock scissors, paper. As kids in Ohio, we just said “rock, scissors, paper.” Since finding the reference to Rochambeau, I have continued to wonder if it’s true.
Fresh or not, garbage fill like EID and MASA is still garbage fill. (And rejected by spellcheck.)
The name of the Kurosawa movie referred to earlier is Rashomon, not ROSHAMBO.
@eggs (11:27) I love when that happens. Congrats!
@puzzlehoarder: Welcome back.
What "serial child rapist"?
Here's another solver who never heard of ROSHAMBO. Thought that ewe could have said MAA, but decided on the B just because it sounded better.
I always thought it was a Jewish holiday that the goyim weren't allow to know about.
Yep. DNF right there.
Great puzzle! By the time I got the upper half filled, I took a look at what was in the circles. I rushed down to the bottom, poked around until URKEL gave me the ROCK's order of letters and finished the rest. Woohoo!
I'll agree that getting a start in the NW was a bit hard - had to start with TAIL and go down before getting 1A and 13A.
Two great clues that I circled: 4A "Grape group" = BUNCH. The clue had me looking for a wine type so BUNCH made me laugh. And "Case of emergency" for GO BAG, nice!
Rebecca, kudos on an amazing puzzle, thanks!
No problems here. I knew ROSHAMBO, and used to patronize a winery of that name. Plus, it was in the 70s and after the normal name for the game, in California.
I do doubt popping a PEC is something anyone did, using that term.
Fairly difficult at first but I did it. The only lookup was after the fact, to verify the existence of Ms. ROBBIE. Very clever, though it was a leap to see PAPER covering ROCK, and I never heard of folks popping their PECs.
The puzzle brought back fond memories of ROSHAMBO Winery, which was a major stop on my wine tour in NW Sonoma County. Named after the game, and if you went tasting there, they had a story to explain the name. One of those places where the tastes were so generous you needed a designated driver. The wines were good, and the prices for bottles were fair. The trouble was, they could not cut the wholesale price enough to suit restaurants, or major wine retailers, and the wine was not anything to write home about. They invariably sold us a few bottles, when we went, and maybe I bought the occasional mixed case. They apparently plowed under their vines, which suggests to me they had not chosen their BABY vines well. I always suspected they were not first-rate winemakers, but boy was it fun to go there.
Indeed, had I run the tasting room, I could not have resisted playing the Commander's theme song, "Too Much Fun." (The Commander being, of course, Commander Cody, and his Lost Planet Airmen.
Quite surprised that I finished this one; thought for ages that SW was ungettable for me. Nonetheless, SHE persisted.
I'm with @MargoCatherine and @Beezer and all the others regarding ROSHAM(B)O.
LAPAZ's altitude was too much for my poor dad; he never got further than the airport and my MD mother and the airport doctor found that their mutually rusty Latin was the only common language they had to communicate in. He survived to live another day.
SB -pg -3 and probably as far as I'll get. @bocamp, nice yesterday.
Sorry about the duplicate comment. I thought my original had not taken, but it did.
See Bombshell ... I can guarantee you'll never look at Fox News with anything other than distain ever again! And Charlize Theron proves yet again what a fabulous actress she is.
Hi puzzlehoarder! How’s that second knee job doing? Haha! Obviously pretty great because that was some “hike”. You might call it a trek or alternately the March to Bataan. Nice to see you.
@Anonymous 12:44 - Ah, Rashoman! That’s why I didn’t think of it immediately as a Kurasawa film. My head is going to be sore from smacking it so much.
24A - I resisted putting in ORG for a while. A '.com' alternative would be '.org", not simply 'org'.
My biggest gripe was not the use of ROSHAMBO for RPS -- that I know well as a west coaster and someone who has seen early episodes of South Park. (Finally, an advantage in the NYTXW for being a non-NYer!) What bothered me was the spelling. Having only heard it, I assumed it was spelled just like the general's name. It was clear when the space wasn't long enough that I was in for some alternate spelling shenanigans. Gah. And popping pecs is just ridiculous. Fun puzzle otherwise.
@puzzlehoarder (11:32 PM)
Good to see you! :)
Which section of the PCT did you guys hike?
@Beezer (11:49 AM)
Ditto on the BAA/mAA distinction. 🐑/🐐
@CDilly52 (12:39 PM) yw :)
@Anonymous (12:44 PM)
Yes, I discovered 'Rashomon' as I was searching the IMDB for Akira Kurosawa. Signed up for a 14 day free trial on the Criterion Channel to watch it. It's currently rated #52 on the TGF Greatest Films List. 🎥 (hi @Mary McCarty (11:56 AM) / @Peter P (1:18 PM) )
@Eniale (1:09 PM) ty :)
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So, in other words, the name of a certain Kurosawa film becomes the name of a certain child's game if you reverse the second and fifth letters, drop the last letter, and insert the letter that alphabetically follows the new fifth letter before the new last letter, which was previously the penultimate letter. Got it.
I never heard of it called ROSHAMBO. And I began playing it when I was a kid like everyone else.
True fact: I have never played rock-paper-scissors. (I have tossed a coin where there were 2 of us, and have done pick-the-short-straw when 3 or more. Also pick-a-number.) Maybe this is why I never noticed the SCISSORS cutting the P A P E R, etc.
I finished with a silly error: OPTIMIST crossing TASA. I should have noticed the clue was not '"That's good" thinker'.
LA PAZ is amazing... about the same altitude as the highest peak in the Canadian Rockies.
[Spelling Bee: yd 7 min to pg, then QB later. My last word was a SB standard.
td: 5:50 to pg.]
@Joe Dipinto (1:49 PM) 😂
I both dig it & get the dig! 😉
@okanaganer 👍 for QB yd! :)
OPTIMISt / tASA was my first error; repaired it for the reason you cited. Only saw the URKEL / PEGASUS gaff after hitting the reveal.
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Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
It's Ramadan right now -- even if you're not Muslim, if you're around any sort of Muslim community you'll start seeing references to Eid in the near future, which is the celebration of the end of Ramadan. (It has a longer name but most people just call it Eid.) Didn't realize that it literally meant festival but I figured it out when I knew I was looking for a three-letter word ending with D.
@eggs- Growing up in Ohio, we determined first pick at anything with Rock, Paper, Scissors. I learned RO SHAM BO on a visit to San Diego a thirty-something adult. I always found it lots more dun than a coin flip.
Thanks @Pete!!
@old timer-Nice to see a reference to "Too Much Fun". I play it about once a month at our hoots, and like the singer, I ain't never had too much fun.
Exactly one year past my second full knee, I am happy to say those two major slogs are the best health decisions I have ever made for myself. Sounds as if you are doing well, too. Best wishes for continues health and hiking!
Welcome back @puzzlehoarder!
@okanaganer: hand up for OPTIMISt/tASA before correcting. Took me forever to find it!
Ramadan Kareem to all celebrating. May we all celebrate peace, tranquility, tolerance and abundance.
Really terrific puzzle. All the theme answers work perfectly, and every permutation is present and accounted for (meaning 3, but still…). The only thing I don’t understand is popping a PEC. I’ve seen a patient who tore a PEC while bench pressing and it was unpleasant to look at. I think it was more unpleasant for the patient.
Words can't describe how much I hated this puzzle.
@smalltowndoc – Terry Crews will explain it all for you.
@johnk (12:44) I had the same question and assumed because Rex featured Michael Jackson in his write up today.
We called rock paper scissors rock paper scissors. RoPamSo I could understand.
It was either RPS or Odds and Evens where you put out 1 or 2 fingers. One person would yell odds or evens. Matching numbers (of fingers) were even. Differing numbers were odds. The question with both games was do you go 1,2,3 or 1,2,3 shoot. I think was a problem for Mel Gibson in a movie too. Odds and Evens has the advantage of no ties but RPS seemed to be more fun.
Great puzzle but I got beat over the head with all the non-English words I didn't know. Crazy tough Wednesday. I also loved it because it reminded me of the time I beat my best friend 15 times in a row in RPS. I was reading him like a book.
Whoa...is @smalltowndoc a doc ?
Ok, I am a lawyer, so let me lawyer "optimism". I judge that this is good, and that is good, and the other thing is good. What kind of thinking is that? It's "that's good" thinking. Works for me. Maybe my favorite clue/answer in the puzzle.
Include me among those who have never heard the word Roshambo.
Never heard of Roshambo…We are in Hawai’i on vacation so the puzzle was done at vacation speed, pretty slow.
The puzzle was entertaining and difficult for a Wednesday.
Sorry, couldn't finish--because some idiot printed Monday's byline and clue list under today's grid. I hope it was only the LV Sun that dropped this ball, and not all of Syndiland.
But as long as I'm here, I'll show you my Wordle birdie:
BBBBY
GBGYB
GGGGG
with a word taken from yesterday's grid as starter.
Let us hope the mistake gets corrected ASAP.
Very nicely done. This is Rebecca’s third NYTXW and it’s a beauty. Yes there are nits as Rex pointed out, but they are too minor to pick. Puzzle of the month for sure.
PS - Got Wordle in two today:
Wordle 333 2/6*
🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
OPTIMISM, BABY
To SHARE a STORY that’s OLD,
TERI’s OPTIMISM ROCKs,
“IT’SOK, IDO GO bold”,
SOSOON SHE’s down to her SOCKS.
--- ROBBIE KLEE
I immediately put GP (green paint) in the margin for USEDCD. I see a couple other commenters thought the same. Did not know ROSHAMBO was the name for that game.
Margot ROBBIE, yeah BABY!
Wordle in 2 today:
GYYBB
GGGGG
6 under after 14
Goats say maa, not sheep.
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