31-syllable Japanese poem / SAT 4-30-22 / 1977 Sex Pistols song written after a record-contract termination / Delectable made with grass / Olds that was once in the news / Claudio or Gio father and son players for the US men's national soccer team / String of typographical symbols, like @%$&!, to represent an obscenity
Saturday, April 30, 2022
Constructor: Joe DiPietro
Relative difficulty: Medium-Challenging
Word of the Day: TANKA (25A: 31-syllable Japanese poem) —
Tanka (短歌, "short poem") is a genre of classical Japanese poetry and one of the major genres of Japanese literature. // Originally, in the time of the Man'yōshū (latter half of the eighth century AD), the term tanka was used to distinguish "short poems" from the longer chōka (長歌, "long poems"). In the ninth and tenth centuries, however, notably with the compilation of the Kokinshū, the short poem became the dominant form of poetry in Japan, and the originally general word waka became the standard name for this form. Japanese poet and critic Masaoka Shiki revived the term tanka in the early twentieth century for his statement that waka should be renewed and modernized. Haiku is also a term of his invention, used for his revision of standalone hokku, with the same idea. // Tanka consist of five units (often treated as separate lines when romanized or translated) usually with the following pattern of on (often treated as, roughly, the number of syllables per unit or line):
- 5-7-5-7-7.
The 5-7-5 is called the kami-no-ku (上の句, "upper phrase"), and the 7-7 is called the shimo-no-ku (下の句, "lower phrase").
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It also seemed kinda oldish. The STENO ALERO SKAT-type short stuff was a big part of that, but very few of the longer answers seemed of-this-century either. The GAME SHOW NETWORK is built on nostalgia for the mid-late 20th century. POT BROWNIEs still exist, I assume, but I associate them with a similarly bygone era, for sure (8D: Delectable made with grass). Very 70s / 80s. The cultural center of gravity here is somewhere around when the Sex Pistols were popular. Or when "ALFIE" was popular. ALFIE is my cat's name, so I love ALFIE, but you get my point—the puzzle seemed like it was for someone sitting around eating POT BROWNIEs and watching OATERS on late-night TV. But the retro vibe isn't a problem, exactly, and I might not even have noticed it if the short fill had been stronger, and I might not even have noticed that the short fill wasn't that strong if I hadn't been forced to spend so much time with it. As I said, the bulk of my time was spent trying to figure out tiny sections that ended up containing precisely zero in the way of satisfying payoff. The first such section was the very first section, right at 1A: Certain archaeological site (BOG). Of course I wrote in DIG. This is what I don't get: designing traps so that the solver will have to linger over gunky stuff like AVI- (14A: Flying start?). Anyway, BOG over AVI, just brutal, and much more brutal before I finally got GIVEN NAME, which ... I don't really see what that clue has to do with "Americans" (scores of other countries have first names as GIVEN NAMEs). That "Americans" just felt cheap. Could just as well have been "among the French" or something, what the hell? And of course GIVEN gave me the "G" which "confirmed" DIG, so I wrong in DING (DING!) for 1D: When doubled, attention-grabbing (BANG). I also had WENT DIM before GREW DIM at first, but that was one of the first things about the section I actually managed to fix (20A: Faded). When I finally put in BOG, I didn't feel a whoosh of success; I felt like I'd been conned.
The other small section to absolutely bring me to a halt was at the bottom of the grid. Speaking of last century ... BROWSER WAR? The first one? How many were there??? I lived through that period of tech history and yet had no idea, even with BROWSER in place, what might come after. BROWSER ... W- ... BROWSER WEB? Just no clue on those last three letters (eventually two letters), and unfortunately those letters went right into the very hardest part of the puzzle for me: some soccer name I've never heard of (in fact, a name I've never seen at all, in any context) underneath a [Musical segment] that looks technical and maybe Italian but ends up just being the dumb common answer ACT II. As with "Americans" and GIVEN NAME, here we have a seemingly narrow clue being used to define an exceedingly general thing. There are ACT IIs in lots of works. [Musical segment] is so vague it's stupid. You can't tell it's a stage musical (which is probably the point), but even then ... ugh. It's like having [Part of a 1995 Lamborghini Diablo] and having the answer be TIRE or AXLE. In that same section, I had ARCH before ARTY (53D: Affected), and it took me forever to understand what (or who) the "toaster" was in the STEIN clue (50D: A toaster might hold one) (toaster = one who gives a toast, so the STEIN is ... full of beer ... I guess). So what sticks with me about this puzzle is almost exclusively BOG/AVI and ACTII/REYNA—not the greatest aftertaste. It's not that I didn't know stuff that bothers me. I didn't know TANKA, and felt only too happy to learn about it. Why? Why did TANKA play sweet and REYNA sour? Because the puzzle didn't use TANKA to bog me down in a tiny corner of the puzzle. I got it as part of the puzzle flow. You solve, you hit difficulty, you work around it. Flow! BOG/AVI and ACTII/REYNA, by contrast, made me feel trapped and suffocated. Backed into an airless corner. It was like the puzzle wanted me to learn TANKA, but wanted to make it torture for me to even get close to REYNA.
JETÉ before LUTZ (10D: Leap with a twist) and GOING FAST before GOING ONCE (33D: About to be sold). The rest of the puzzle was (I'm recalling, as I look over it now) pretty decent. I really liked HARD PASS (4D: "That's a big 'no thanks'"). That and GRAWLIX are my favorite answers of the day (GRAWLIX is a debut) (23D: String of typographical symbols like @%$&!, to represent an obscenity). I think I might be an outlier, not only in my love for the word, but in my even knowing what the word means. I teach a course on Comics, so it's right in my wheelhouse, but it's a pretty technical term (or so I thought). I have no idea how well-known it is, generally. I remember being so happy to learn that there was even a term for the swearing symbols in comics! I later learned that expressive lines that emanate from a cartoon character (like wavy stink lines) are called EMANATA, and the "drops of sweat that spray outwards from a cartoon character under emotional distress" are called PLEWDS. I doubt you'll ever see either of those in the grid, but now you know.
P.S. Speaking of comics, I wish today's SOREL had been Edward SOREL (13D: Philosopher Georges). You've seen his work a lot, probably. Here's his cover for the 1966 Esquire that contained Gay Talese's famous essay, "Frank Sinatra Has a Cold":
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104 comments:
Tony Soprano was in waste management. He was a lover of ducks, and a devoted husband, father and son. That's all. There is no more to it.
And so what if he never had the makings of a varsity athlete, or dropped out of Seton Hall before the end of his freshman year. He was a good man. A man with dreams - really, really good dreams
That the NYTimes permits this continual and ongoing slandering of his good name is criminal.
Thank you, Rex, for this highly entertaining analysis of today's puzzle. I also liked the Intro to Comic Strip Lingo. I lost my no-lookup streak tonight due to the NW corner, but your column made me laugh and feel a lot better. Ta.
Well, you know you're in for a @%$&*ing tough time when you get BOGged down at 1A.
Oh. Well. Cluing clinic here. Killer cluing in two senses, so good and so tough. Part of that good is the terrific wordplay – [Cowboy features], [Stix nix], [People may never get over it], [Play room?], etc. Part of that toughness is … toughness. I mean, as I look at the grid, there are but a handful of words out of my wheelhouse. But getting them *in* there – oof! My brain likes this kind of hard. It wouldn’t like it every day, but please, bring it on Saturday.
And freshness! Ten NYT answer debuts including the wonderful in-the-language BARBED WIRE FENCE, POT BROWNIE, GIVEN NAME and NEVER FELT BETTER. One of those debuts – GRAWLIX – I’ve been trying to get in one of my puzzles for [A mighty long time], and you beat me fair and square, Joe.
Also, fair and square, you gave me a proper Saturday today, and I’m very grateful for it. Thank you, Joe!
Act II/Reyna pretty brutal
@Rex said, "This was a weird and often unpleasant puzzle. It's got a few surprising bright spots, but mostly it was just hard, and hard for the wrong reasons."
Perfect description.
Came here expecting to find an easy rating. Except for the NW, i flew through this one. The clues seemed all be on my wave length. Wanting DIG for archeological site really stymied me for a while. Loved this puzzle.
Definitely some obscuria and a segmented grid I typically don’t like to see on Saturday - but I think the overall cluing and wordplay here wins the day. I fell into the same traps as Rex - but got the aha upon cleaning things up. Right off the bat with BOG and down to GOING ONCE. Wanted bread or slice for STEIN - really nice misdirect there.
Love the POT BROWNIE x NEVER FELT BETTER cross - add HERBS and it’s a party.
No idea on some of the trivia - REYNA, BRENDA etc. Did know BENZENE cold which helped the NE. Liked OWLISH and GRAWLIX.
Yeah the Pistols - but never cool enough to sing BARBED WIRE Love
Much of the same take as Rex - but I ended up on the plus side of this one. Enjoyable Saturday solve.
Agree with Rex - there are just too many stretch clues that, while literally justifiable, are simply not enjoyable. Agree with the consensus on the soccer dudes and ACT II (what an unfortunate example of shoddy editing - I wonder if our @Lewis would have nixed that one in a heartbeat).
On a positive note, we do have the POT BROWNIE and the GAME SHOW NETWORK to occupy ourselves with for the remainder of the day.
Didn’t get an answer till the final across - I loved the Sex Pistols and still think Never Mind The Bollocks is a great album, so EMI was a sure thing.
Gradually filled the bottom half then the rest except GROWLIX - what kind of word is that?
Anyway, any time i can surmise the long answers and fill in the aptly-named fill (OATERS even seemed old and arcane back when I first started doing NYTXW from the Stanford Daily when the Sex Pistols arrived) is a good Saturday experience - challenging but mostly gettable.
As one thrown by filling out last name first when filling out visa documents in visiting other countries, “It’s first among Americans” made sense. Though of course fIrstNAME wasn’t possible due to the clue, and I normally don’t think of first name as GIVENNAME but it was a reasonable clue and answer, to me at least…
Hated the NW. Wanted 1 accords to be dig and 1 down to be Ding. As in Ding Ding. Not bang bang. Don’t like it one bit.
@Rex nailed it. It seemed like a Friday puzzle slotted into Saturday by turning cluing difficulty up to 11.
Exactly. I dug right in and immediately got bogged down. Ugh
Grad?
I disliked this one less than I usually dislike Joe Dipietro's puzzle. So much of the difficulty of his puzzles seems to be avoiding traps rather than figuring out something tricky. Figuring out something tricky lets you feel good when succeeding, avoiding traps just leaves you wondering why that [insert GRAVLIX here] bastard tried to trap you. I did like the appearance of TANKA in the puzzle, I want on a huge TANKA binge a decade or two ago. Actually, you can't go on too huge a TANKA binge, as there's very little historical TANKA in translation, reading current TANKA is reading amateur poetry, and reading amateur is like panning for gold - one fleck of gold in an entire pan of silt. Whenever Haiku or now TONKA is in the puzzle I want to say something about the reference to syllables - they're really not syllables, they're On a phonetic unit in Japanese of which syllable is the closest approximation in English. This is exactly the Aleph / Alef / in "Torah"? / in the Torah pointlessness of yesterday, so I won't say it.
How the hell can the GAMESHOWNETWORK have the slogan "Get Smarter Now"? Are they begging you turn off the TV and read something? The GSN is dedicated to inducing a vegetative state, not making you smarter.
@Sun Volt thanks, @Gill - you're kind. But you knew that. I just wanted you to know it's appreciated.
Today I learned TANKA and John Steinbeck's middle name and that SKAT, which I have never played, has some interesting components. And I learned that there was a BROWSERWAR. Who knew?
Today I felt smart writing in NEVERFELTBETTER and HARDPASS right away and remembering GRAWLIX, which is the kind of word that's hard to forget once you learn it. Also knew the REYNA guys, Gio is going to be really good.
Saw OVER as "during", so that eliminated DIG and ushered in BOG.
Also today I'm feeling the effects of yesterday's second booster, so this played just about right for me in terms of degree of difficulty. So thanks for the fun JDP. Just Don't Pressure me to think any harder today.
And now off to root for Liverpool.
OHO! (nope, not OHO) I forgot - I'm old, but even I know they're just edibles, not POTBROWNIES. Driving around yesterday I saw a 80yo Hippie with the hugest pot-belly ever wearing a Pink Floyd hoodie doing the old man shuffle down the side walk, and wondered who should be embarrassed - the Hippie or Pink Floyd. Even that hippie knew they're edibles, not POTBROWNIES, and the dispensary is only a short drive away.
Yeah, liked GRAWLIX and HARDPASS. Hated ACTII, REYNA, and BROWSERWAR (which must be *between* two entities; it cannot refer merely to one entity).
Naticked obscurity marred what could have been a fun puzzle.
This made me very happy
Mostly agree. Though the Reyna’s are both fantastic and should be well-known. Bog etc was awful.
Spot on, Rex. Today was no fun, nor was yesterday. I really hope things turn around tomorrow. REYNA wasn't the problem for me. But there were plenty of other difficulties. Raising a STEIN to toast? Please. I put in AVI hoping I was wrong. We see AXEL so often, it was about time we had a LUTZ. But even so, no fun.
Thx Joe, for the Sat. workout! :)
Med.
Started off without a BANG, as I had diG / diNG.
Left the NW undone and moved the the MW, with HAD UP, ALERO, URL & ALFIE.
Chipped away from there, with no real sticking points.
Very enjoyable solve! :)
@Pete (2:46 PM yd)
🙏 for your 'big girl'
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Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
Iwonder how editing puzzles works. Do the editors actually attempt to solve the puzzle themselves or do they just look at the clue/fill matchup and start from there? Because why are we getting so many puzzles that are just joyless slogs ?
Rex is right on the money with this one. The fill is just an insulting exercise in misdirection. Why are so many puzzles just aggravating lately ? I feel like I am in some kind of battle with the constructor/editors to just get the thing over with. Today I didn't even bother with that. I just lost interest in trying to make the two top corners make sense. Life's too short.
Grad, as in Bachelor of Arts
On the one hand, I agree with Lewis, some great stuff. OTOH, I’m with Rex, some tortured stuff.
Over/During is genius and a big reward for a 4-letter word. Then there's an unneeded misdirect to a long-dead car company and a car that was never really in the news. Not like a Tesla or a Corvair.
Act II clue would’ve been awesome in an easier grid but here was like pouring water on a drowning man (part of a song lyric from my dancing school performance of 1964, vamping as an 8-year-old to Hard-hearted Hannah ... the memory that drove to me to pot brownies later on. Lookin’ at you Mom [who am I kidding]).
Etc.
Loved learning Grawlix. Still don’t get Stix Nix. Oh wait, I just got it. Sticks would’ve helped!!!
So all in all, genius level over-my-head work that both kept me in and knocked me of the game. Would’ve appreciated a gimme here ‘n there. Hard DNF but that’s on me. Too much of a good thing.
@Pete, Before they were edibles, they were Pot Brownies. It's in the Betty's Crocked cookbook that way.
Those guys from Seton Hall were 7 feet tall, some of them!
Loved this puzzle! Found it engrossing and consistently interesting and free of the awful trivial pursuit of yesterday.
Someday, I hope, I will finally stop writing in BROGue for BROGAN, the shoe. I do it Every Single Time and I'm sure it's because BROGue is a CLOG/BROGAN mishmash.
I also had HAD in before HAD UP, but URL and POT BROWNIE straightened me out. But if the POT in the BROWNIE tastes as awful as the smoke smells, I'm wondering just how "delectable" it really is. I wish they'd legalize the BROWNIE but keep the joint illegal: I absolutely can't stand the smell of marijuana.
And, when I had ?CT?? for the "musical segment", I was sure that it was either oCTad or oCTet. But what was BROWSER Wo? ? Not knowing REYNA, I ran the alphabet and came up empty. BROWSER WOE???? Finally THE MAFIA gave me ACT II and then BROWSER WAR. There was a BROWSER WAR? Who knew?
Everything about this puzzle was fun. And I also learned the wonderful word GRAWLIX -- which I'm sure I'll forget any minute now.
Tough for me, especially the NW--same problem with falling for the DIG diversion, and yeah, what the ()*$%^#@& is at all specifically "American" about GIVENNAME? Likewise with Rex on ACTII, a leading candidate for most meh answer in the puzzle. But my biggest pet peeve violation here is THEMAFIA. Adding a "THE" to a fill always feels like a cheap shot, since the essence of that part of speech is that it can precede any dang noun in the language. Unless it's a band name, like "The Shirelles," which I note had its "the" shaved off in yesterdays NYTXW. Just seems so... arbitrary.
As for the NW, well that was a PPP Google fail for me thanks to BRENDA Fricker, which I should have been able to get from the crosses I even had BENZENE in and out several times, so I shoulda had it, but somehow I couldn't see BLISS for "felicity," which is actually a pretty decent bit of cluing. So I call it fair even if it beat me up.
For me this puzzle came down on the wrong side of "challenging + sparking joy" and "challenging + fostering resentment." Or: see @Rex and @OffTheGrid 7:13.
Grudgingly, I'll admit to appreciating some of the opaque clues once they became clear ("During," even "Musical segment."). Also liked the two BROWS, GOING ONCE, OOPSIE, and OWLISH.
Do-overs: Me, too, for diG x diNG; uMBER; axel before LUTZ. No idea: SOREL, TANKA, GAME SHOW NETWORK, ERNST, REYNA, GRAWLIX.
Gio REYNA was a gimme here, otherwise I made almost every mistake Rex mad. I did see through the toaster clue but was toasting with wine, not beer, so it took many crosses to suss out.
However! Don’t blame the names today. The PPP comes in at an unusually low 14 of 72 for less than 20%. The NYTX below 20% is a very rare occurrence. Of the times I’ve counted it’s only happened one or two other times.
BROWSER WAR took some crosses, too, but once I saw the first word was going to be BROWSER the WAR part was easy. Anti-Trust suits do tend to get my attention. Make no mistake, “capitalists” despise a free market. My preferred BROWSER is Firefox, the grandchild of Navigator.
@Pete 8:52 - What always induces schadenfreude infused bemusement is when something like the Torah clue is explained twice before 9:00 a.m. and there are still people erroneously claiming wrongness 12 hours later. There’s also the tendency to focus on all the ways an answer doesn’t work while ignoring that ther only needs to be one way for the clue to work. cf OVER in today’s puzzle.
Really surprised that BROWSERWAR draws a blank for so many. Good old Navigator! God how we in the early design and development biz LOATHED Internet Explorer for it's snotty and endlessly frustrating refusal to be standards compliant, unlike its chief rival! So arrogantly contrary to the whole open-source, open-standards ethos of what the Web was supposed to be. Lo, how the huzzas and hoorahs on IE's demise rang throughout the whole network, though we still had to support the accursed thing for several years until it finally got dropped as a supported browser by Google. I suppose that all fits Rex's typical "kinda musty" critique, but it was a nice nostalgia hit for me. Plus I like reminders that the Internet has a history of its own that's interesting to reflect on. Like the clue a few days ago that relied on knowing the Internet and the Web are not synonymous, the former predating the latter by many years.
No one is complaining about C6H6? You know Benzene?
Grawlix? Are you #%@&! kidding me?
Erroneously claiming wordiness? Wow.
Erroneously claiming wrongness. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s awesome to when a bot is exposed
I had exactly the same reaction to this puzzle. Hard, and not particularly fun or rewarding. I already knew tanka because I gave my wife a book of it for our anniversary a while back. And I loved Grawlix! But the rest was a slog. Thanks for what you do, Rex!
Started out with DIG at 1A. Fimished with BOG, after i couldn't get the NW to work
I fell into all of Rex's trap areas today and then there was my BLeSS/BLISS SOREn/SOREL area. I did not LOL when I fought my way out of there, just sighed in relief.
And yes, staring at 14A i_I crossing 2D i_ER in the NW was my last struggle. Boy, was I glad to see AVI finally, diNG-diNG-diNG (should have known diNG was wrong - you never have just two diNGs, as the clue would have it.)
Bassets/BEAGLES, Aeon/AGES, SKee/SKAT. The only reason Slice didn't stay in longer at 50D is because I saw STEIN clued that exact same way recently. Stumper, perhaps?
My childhood home was on the very edge of town and the farmer's field behind our lot was lined with a barbed-wire fence. Crawling under it was easier than over it, at least when I was too small to step over (it wasn't very high, just 3 or 4 strands.)
And when my husband and I bought our current home, the previous owner was a guy who had the rescued car business next door. He bought wrecked cars and put them back together and sold them. So the back half of our 2.3 acres had old cars, broken glass, wiring harnesses, etc. There was a bunch of DEBRIS even after the cars were cleared out. The whole thing was (and still is) surrounded by a six foot high chain link fence with 3 lines of barbed wire on top of that, leaning outward to keep out the...zombies? Wrecked car thieves? Maybe it was for insurance liability purposes but it seemed weird to us. We've now planted so many trees back there, you can't even see the property edge. Much better.
Joe DiPietro, it was BLISS when I finally was able to put the pen down on this 24-minute workout. Thanks!
Dig & Ding- that is all
Phrazle 27: 2/6
⬜⬜🟨🟪🟪 🟩🟩🟩 ⬜🟩🟪⬜ ⬜⬜🟪⬜ 🟨⬜🟪⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩
@JD. I wondered, too, about the "news" element of the Olds clue. Turns out the last Oldsmobile produced was an ALERO, so, newsworthy as Oldsmobile became part of history.
Same
@JD - My point was that 50 years ago they were pot brownies. Now they're edibles, as you buy your edibles and a couple of pounds of brownies for when you get the munchies. No one in their right mind would make pot brownies these days.
As in “Bachelor’s degree” I guess, but I don’t like it either
It looks like Phrazle is pretty easy, based on the reports here. Haven't tried it, though.
Yep
I think the interpretation of 14A is that AVI is the beginning of aviation, a.k.a. flying.
A nice day on Google, a bad day on the NYTXW. Gonna go run errands for a better time than AVI, NAW, EMI, LOL, ERRS, and dear lordy SKAT.
never heard of a POT BROWNIE. groovy BROWNIE, fur shur dude.
No low hanging fruit graced my platter. BENZENE, SOREL, TANKA, GRAWLIX and REYNA were uninvited to my party. I did enjoy the 15 course dinner, though...They were served up immediately and gave me the rush I needed. I checked with Julia Child and asked her if she ever made a POT BROWNIE. She told me her husband, Paul, would not approve. Even so, we had them for dessert and they were actually good. I CHOPPED the hash up good and added an HERB or two. Unfortunately after they were devoured, everyone started singing that EMT AVI BOG song. I skipped to my loo.
I'm going to do a HARD PASS on this Saturday. I did learn a few things - so that's a plus....but there were too many grits that I didn't kiss.
Maybe next time?
BOG made me incredibly angry.
Broke into the grid with GRAWLIX and had Friday-level whooshing for a bit as I knocked things off, then just… ground to a halt on the edges, which all had finnicky and ambiguous crosses. Not helped by DIG at 1A, then DING at 1D, then pure hell trying to fill AVI/OVER. ACT II can get bent. SKAT. STEIN. TANKA/TUGS was a horrible Natickealoa fusion with LUGS being a reasonable guess for JERKS and the other one being “some Japanese word I guess, L’s a bit weird but who knows.”
Yeah. Delightful start, but it felt like chewing sawdust by the end.
Mostly easy-medium with a few rough spots.
I had lUGS before TUGS as TANKA was a WOE but got it fixed.
Also, like pretty much everyone, diG before BOG which made the NW last to fall...
and, @Rex et. al., the REYNA (I had REYes before MAFIA fixed it) STEIN, ACTII area took some staring.
Plenty of sparkle, liked it a bunch!
♪ My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night ♪
I give this puzzle more than "One Star", which is the name of Joe DiPietro's bar in Chelsea. My favorite answers were BROGAN and OWLISH. But some of it wasn't fun. Like BOG.
A number of cultures, Chinese comes to mind, always place the surname before the given name. Why single out Americans for given-name-firstness, you ask? Why not?–this newspaper is American.
Most important, though: Where is Alfie? We demand more Alfie pix. At least one per week please.
Phrazle 27: 1/6
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Someone on Wordplay responded to my post thusly:
"Brogue is a fair mistake. It’s also a shoe and it used to mean almost the same thing as BROGAN. Now it means those leather Oxfords with perforations. Just put in BROG—."
So it seems we have another kealoa.
Mixed feelings about the crossword (don't enjoy it when the grid spanners fall like dominoes). But Rex is totally on his game with his dissection! He nailed it.
Had lots of accurate but wrong answers - beginning like 🦖, with DIG for BOG.
And agree ,🦖, “…hard in all the wrong places, for all the wrong reasons” with a few clever clues that were NOT needlessly misleading.
Enjoyment?
Not so much. 😝
🤗🦖🦖🦖🤗
@Pabloinnh pretty much voiced my thoughts EXCEPT I never did figure out the BANG/BOG/AVI. (DING/DIG) I usually struggle with Joe D. puzzles….I like his word play but I do feel he creates “traps”, and while @Zed pointed out the low PPP…Joe’s PPP is always way out of my wheelhouse. I was glad I was able to remember EMI as a record company cuz Sid Vicious was never in my playlist. ERNST (had EMMET for awhile) and REYNA contributed to my trouble areas. Plenty of good things to like about the puzzle so all in all a good puzzle day!
So I’m like, this rando dude asks when I’ll go out with him. I’m thinking like call me in a year dude, but NEVER FELT BETTER. So I’m like not GIVEN NAME or number to the creepoid.
I love GRAWLIX on a #§^&*@%ing everything bagel.
I don’t know of ST. ENO, but am surprised that s/he would have worked for a dictator.
I don’t particularly share Rex’s position that toughness has to occur in the right places to make a puzzle enjoyable. I initially made most of the mistakes mentioned here today, and thoroughly enjoyed working my way out of them. A fine Saturday puzzle IMHO. Thanks, Joe Dipietro.
Growing up with crosswords, resources were fair game - dictionary, atlas, map, globe, thesaurus. Google made those obsolete, but it's so effortless it feels like cheating, (Plus I'm older and more experienced) so I avoid it. Today I used it twice. Once for BRENDA to open up the NE corner. And at the end, when I just did not see OVER in the NW, I looked for a synonym of during. That allowed me to correct the dig, ding snarl and finish. So, a bit of a disappointment.
I could not for the life of me imagine a delectable edible made with grass. There’s a reason wheatgrass juice is sold as a shooter. So when I got POTBROWNIE I had a chuckle. Still, not delectable.
This was a Saturday puzzle that aspired to be a bad Sunday puzzle like what we put up with last week. Unfortunately it outdid itself in the NW and south center. While I had a hard time getting started the solve started most of it filled in like a normal challenging Saturday. Those two sections I mentioned were bottom of the barrel time wasters. Who uses BANG BANG to grab attention? I blame the editor for that nonsense just like the extra tweak to the clue for AVI.
Making the sections of a theme-less that has low level entries like AVI and ACTII harder with cute clues spotlights those areas and detracts from the puzzles better qualities.
Sure I got late week puzzling by ironing out those two sections but it truly is for the wrong reasons.
Using the word grass for POT BROWNIE was as cringe inducing as the "Wassup MY DUDE?" we had recently. The editor thinks it's cool to drag out dated slang so it just keeps happening.
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Nobody has mentioned it, but “back in the day” we called them Alice B. Toklas brownies. I suppose if I wanted to drive across a nearby state border I could by some gummie bears rather than ruin a good brownie recipe with actual weed. Blech! In case anyone asks, I ate…but never digested…so it’s ok…😉
What @Rex said. Not that hard but a lot of unrewarding drudgery. After I finished I went back to scan the grid for any bright spots that might cheer me up. And after chasing down OWLISH ALFIE and his BEAGLES I found BLISS HERBS. @%$&! puzzle not gonna keep me down, in spite of that depressing clue for BARBED WIRE FENCE.
Other bits of amusement:
the THEATER/ACT II/ROLE trio
BOG SMOG
GRAWLIX (cannot remember for the life of me where I learned that but it’s fun)
“bouquet garni”
I resisted putting in diG because of “Certain” in the clue, and because it seemed too straightforward. Thought of BOG but waited until the end to enter it because I couldn’t think why a BOG is a “Certain archeological site” and still don’t get it. Oh, huh, looked it up and BOG bodies are a thing. Some pretty cool stuff, actually. The Windover Bog in Florida.
Faded: GONE DIM, GREW DIM, the clue could be adjective or verb. Also, I tried to toast a SCONE.
@DrBB 9:51am: ah yes, the Netscape / Internet Explorer BROWSER WAR. How we website developers all hated IE! Glad to see it vanish.
[Spelling Bee: yd 18 min to pg, got to -1, missing this word which I thought was a proper noun. QB streak ended at 8 days.]
I don’t get RUN TO for Make Altogether, 16A
No Jaws of Themelessness, on a SatPuz? Unthinkable. Maybe Joe will pick up on that, once he constructs a few more Fri- and SatPuzs. har
M&A wants to be one of the Guardians of the Grawlixies. Especially luved the GRAWLIX/SCRAWL totally RAW/RAW crossin.
@RP: Primo @#$%&* Lexicon info pic.
fave sparkly moments: HARDPASS [M&A was a HANDPALM hardass, for way too much of his solvequest]. NEVERFELTBETTER. POTBROWNIE. That there GOINGONCE clue.
no-knows: BRENDA. REYNA. TANKA. CRAWLIX.
Remembered Netscape Navigator browser from when I was workin in a computer dept. back in the early 90s, when the Internet was just startin to become a thing.
staff weeject pick: NAW. Took a while after the fact to understand its clue, at our house. By {Sticks nix} they kinda meant {Nix, out in the sticks}, right?
Tanka for the challenge, Mr. Dipietro dude. Feisty but fair.
Masked & Anonymo3Us
**gruntz**
Did a full service on my riding mower today which was a hell of a lot more pleasurable than the puzzle
Oh Joe! I know you’re on Will’s Xmas list because you have helped him with a heap of puzzles over the years, but Zooie, he needs to enclose a bottle of the good stuff when he sends your check for today’s Saturday brutality. From 1a this grid gave me fits, and like Rex, I felt abused rather than amused when I did manage a plausible entry. Usually I avoid using that lovely “check” menu, but today—sigh! I’m finally done, but it took several breaks, all the coffee and a pile of dandruff beside the rocker from significant head scratching. I only hope that I find others equally flummoxed when I pop topside for prior posts. Thanks for the challenge.
I’m going to jump right in tagging one of @Rex’s comments: “First among Americans.” I understood it - finally, but put it in the pile with all the other “trying too hard to be Saturday” clues. The clue refers to name order among groups of people. Sure enough, North American English speaking people place the GIVEN NAME first in print and verbal introductions.
Don’t misunderstand me, I adore a good, hard Saturday workout. I relish them, those gems of clever misdirects that have one bouncing from part of speech to uncommon usage and all over the map, but with legit plain old hard and clever Saturday clues. This, to me was not that and in fact lies far from it. The clues (and fill resulting therefrom) just do not seem to sing a Saturday song to me.
Not without bright spots, though, my favorite was “Buffaloed” (AT A LOSS,) followed immediately by “People may never get over it,” (BARBED WIRE). That made me smile at its cleverness. Not a full on LOL, but enough to make me look forward to Joe D’s next. He is a favorite of mine. This one just had me dragging my feet a but wanting to get to the end.
Sorry, Joe. I’m sure you will be back again soon.
The one time I had a pot brownie was way back in the 70's at a Philadelphia Eagles game. I stupidly ate two -- not to get higher, but because they tasted good, despite the pot. The effect came on slowly but was very intense. I remember getting up to go to the men's room and how hard it was climbing the very steep stadium steps with 60,000 people screaming at me, it seemed. After trudging up about ten steps, I turned and said to my friend Robert: this is harder than sitting. Beer is quite enough for me now, and even that in moderation.
Had BROGUE before BROGAN, and uMBER before AMBER.
Dropping in GRoWLIX was a huge help (later, changed the 'o' to 'A'); was surprised I remembered it (most likely from a previous NYT xword; hi @A (2:01 PM)).
@Nancy (10:43 AM) 👍 for a bunch of Phreagles in-a-row! :)
@Joe Dipinto (11:30 AM) 👍 for your Phr-ace-le! :)
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td pg: 9.48 (0 in 30, give or take) / W: 3* / WH: 3
Phrazle 27: 2/6
⬜⬜🟨🟨⬜ 🟩🟩🟩 🟪⬜🟨🟪 🟨⬜🟨⬜ 🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
@Anon2:25 - “What does that make altogether?” “The bill will run to $175.”
Good meaty solve with excellent clueing. Fave Sat puzzle of the year so far.
@Newboy 3:43...You made me snort at your pile of dandruff. Mine were a few Holy Bunions.
@Beezer...for what it's worth, I remember Alice's Toklas brownies. They were the rage in Berkley. I put barbecued marshmallows on mine and sang "Rocky Mountain High" all the way through ACTII.
I may not have known GRAWLIX, REYNA, SOREL or the horror that must live on the GAMESHOWNETWORK, but by golly I knew that BRENDA. I’m choosing to consider that my win for the day.
Us too!
Wow, Joe D!!! I can't imagine how you came up with the phrase right off the bat. So impressive!
And @bocamp nailed the final word on his first try -- which surprises me too. Not an especially obvious word. I'm wondering whether you tried an actual phrase, @bocamp, or went for letter distribution instead.
It seems unlikely that I'll ever get Phrazle in one try. There are some Phrazle phrenoms on this blog.
My favorite SOREL is the maker of the boots. I buy myself a new pair every two years or so. I don't get rid of the old pair either. I just get something different. There's this questionnaire that goes around social media at the end of each calendar year, and one of the questions on it is, "What's the best thing you bought this year?" My answer is usually my latest pair of SORELs.
Hey All !
My TANKA:
I agree with Rex
In the same spots he was stuck
Had my DNF
But just didn't care that much
Because clues were holy crap.
Late today, as puz trounced on me, beating me up until I yelled "Uncle,!" and it let me hold off to finish until I came home from work. (And napped 😁) Agree with Rex on his whole post (which for me is rare). Every what? spot he described, every feeling he described. I really hope Rex isn't rubbing off on me! LOL
Had the DNF at BaG/aVER, and lANKA/lUGS. OOPSIE.
TANKA finish:
Got handed my ass
On the Duo yesterday
Plus minus 10 on the SB
Gonna lick my wounds today
And do today's regardless
Two F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
A camshaft is the thing that turns the cams in your engine. Cams do the work of opening valves at the right time. There is no way that someone would call a camshaft a cam, any more than they would call a train track a train. This isn't subtle: it's truly terrible editing.
@Nancy (7:43 PM)
I usually go with 'letter distribution', but in this case thot I had a reasonable shot at an ace, so used an actual phrase: here
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Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
Guess I'm an outlier as I thought the cluing was much too straightforward. GAME SHOW NETWORK, GRAWLIX, GIVEN NAME ... just not the level of ?? I expect on a Saturday.
@Nancy – trust me, it wasn't "right off the bat". I couldn't come up with anything I liked for a first guess so it sat there empty for the longest. But I thought the last word might be a possibility (I also considered @bocamp's first word). When the actual first word occurred to me is when I got the solution.
I'm thinking it should be possible to get more of these on the first guess, especially if you consistently get them in two guesses (as we all seem to be doing). I can't imagine how anyone could need six guesses, unless they're utterly unfamiliar with the phrase.
I got off track by immediately putting in haiku since I never heard of tanka.
I put dig in 1 across and it messed me up. Got the rest of the puzzle though.
I thought the answer “STENO” was a great answer cause I saw ‘through’ the clue right away.
Very late to the party; just want to say “excellent writeup, Rex”.
There is no such thing as a BROWSER WAR.
Me too! Infuriating
Could someone explain why NAW is the answer to the clue "Sticks nix"?
(I grew up in the "sticks" of Western Nebraska, and we had plenty of BARBED WIRE FENCE, often an electric barbed wire fence, and it was never a struggle to get over it. The cattle couldn't get past it, but I could push it down slightly and step over it.)
was Navigator the first LINCOLNSUV ?
Coming late to this discussion, but yes, yes, yes, what you said! And how about SOREL boots? Another clue option...
DNF. Couldn't let go of the diG at 1a--and would never have gotten BOG anyway. Plus: during = OVER??? with the rest of it, absolutely no fair.
Thus, no score, but an interesting DOD: Louise SOREL, who played REYNA in the STTOS episode "Requiem for Methuselah." I invite you to watch, and I guarantee you will agree.
Returning to form Wordle-wise, by an unusual pathway:
BBGBB
BBGBB
GGGGG!
Oxford before BROGue before BROGAN. OchER before uMBER before AMBER. NEVERbeenBETTER before NEVERFELTBETTER. Ring then diNG then BANG. Lots of misdirects and a bit of a name fest with 44A, 62A, 9D and 13D being complete unknowns to me. Why not clue 9D as Singer with 1960 hit I’m Sorry ____ Lee And why not clue 13D as Culinary herb that also reduces swelling I know you don’t want to make Saturdays too easy, but it’s a balancing act. Never heard of a GRAWLIX but that’s okay. I like learning new things. Agree with Rex cluing for AVI, ACTII and other non-words (like NAW) needed a tune up.
PS - I too was BOGgged down at 1A with diG before BOG.
PPS - OOPSIE! Nix my suggestion for 13D. The herb Sorrel takes two Rs - not one like Georges SOREL does.
STENO BROWSER
OWLISH BRENDA was ATALOSS about BLISS,
GOING TO SHAME HAD I let her,
but I HAD GIVEN her (OOPSIE) a kiss,
NOPE, she HAD NEVERFELTBETTER.
--- ARTY STEIN
Maybe clue SOREL as a type of boot. Common in northern climes.
DNF due to the BOG area.
Wordle bogey due to multiple choice for the first letter.
Umber before AMBER here, too. But ATBAT cleared that up.
And now we have a word for the BLEEPing namefest puzzie answer descriptions. The GRAWLIX. BLEEP!
All the longs just fell into place, and after much hard work, I almost got it all. Except... Looking at you, BRENDA!
Diana, Lady-in-Waiting for Crosswords
@the fogman: Believe it or not, "I'm Sorry" was the B side! A rock number called "That's All You Gotta Do" was supposed to be the follow-up to "Jambalaya," till some DJs started flipping it over and saying "I think you'll like this."
We did.
I bought her a Coke once, during a concert break at the Kingston (PA) Armory. Ergo, a most honorable mention for DOD: BRENDA Lee.
Wow! Great story Spacey! Cheers!
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