THEME: PUNS — famous people whose first or last names end in -N are clued as if their first or last names actually ended "-IN'" (that's "I" "N" "apostrophe," as if the "G" were yokelishly dropped from an "-ING" ending"):
Theme answers:
HOLDIN' CAULFIELD (17A: Cradlin' a Salinger protagonist?)
KEVIN BAKIN' (21A: "Footloose" star cookin' a fresh batch of brownies?)
ABRAHAM LINKIN' (34A: The Great Emancipator sharin' URLs on his blog?)
OWIN' WILSON (51A: Bein' in debt to a "Wedding Crashers" co-star?)
ELIZABETH WARRIN' (57A: Massachusetts senator wagin' conflict?)
Word of the Day: Brian ALDISS (13D: Hugo-winning "Hothouse" author Brian) —
Brian Wilson AldissOBE (/ˈɔːldɪs/; 18 August 1925 – 19 August 2017) was an English writer and anthology editor, best known for science fiction novels and short stories. His byline reads either Brian W. Aldiss or simply Brian Aldiss, except for occasional pseudonyms during the mid-1960s.
What is happening? Like, to crosswords, I mean. This week in particular, what in the world is happening. Yesterday's was a total nonentity (seriously, I'm sitting here now and cannot remember it ... I just remember the feeling that there was no there there). And now this. What is this? The PUNS are so basic and so corny. Soooo corny. And not clever either, just predictable as hell. Truly awful. This is the kind of theme idea you come up with and quickly discard because you realize (if you're self-aware) that only you and like a half a dozen other people are going to "like" these puns, and fewer than that are going to "like" finding them in their crossword. The clues are pure torture, honestly. I wouldn't even let my eyes read them fully after a while. I just glanced over the clue for the literal part and filled the puzzle in accordingly (you can see in one of the screenshots, below, that my brain wouldn't even let me do the dumb -IN' thing at times—I wrote in KEVIN BACON normally because ... my brain just refused to accept this torturous hickspeak pun stuff). The theme set is totally arbitrary. Where are the Karens and Darrens and Barons and Nixons etc.? Actually, don't answer, because even the perfect theme set (whatever that is) wouldn't have made this enjoyable. But it might've made it bearable. I can sometimes at least endure a theme that is well done but is just not to my taste. But this one is so corny that it definitely needed ... more. Not more PUNS, dear god. Just more coherence. More importantly, much much much more importantly, it needed better fill. This is the worst filled grid I've seen in a while. The warning alarms went off early, with INURN, and this time, the bells were Not Wrong. Just one wince-inducing answer after another, all the way down the grid:
That's not all of it, but it's a strong sample. And it's not like the baseline fill quality was high to begin with. I mean, lots of SACRAL ELEA SYSOP ... either "OK, that's kind of a word" or "oh, right, this answer again." I'm still reeling over GOTAC (oh, where have all the GOTADs gone? whither GOTANF?) and NTILE!? I mean, at least QTILE or ZTILE is trying to give you a letter you can have fun with (note: please don't put QTILE or ZTILE in puzzles, tho, please—better than NTILE isn't necessarily "good"). And then we get INURN (ugh) andINTER. Because arcane corpse-handling verbs are fun? And then an absolute juggernaut of ... texting initialisms? Right at the end, BTW, FWIW, IMO, bam bam bam, like a series of wet slaps at the end of an I Don't Know What, I've lost my capacity for metaphor. SAVE ME! For real. I'm clinging to MR. FREEZE the way you'd cling to a rock in a cold, roiling ocean, waiting for someone to rescue you. It's the only thing keeping me from going totally under. Hey look, capacity for metaphor is back. Thanks, MR. FREEZE! (32D: Gotham City supervillain in a cryogenic suit)
What else? It was easy, I'll give it that. I didn't have to spend too long inside it (though I do have to blog about it, so its briefness provides only so much solace). Ugh I just realized that SAVE ME crosses SPARE ME, GAH, are there other "VERB-ME"s lurking around this grid ... no, just a stray NOT I. I had "trouble" exactly once: when I misspelled ELIA and also couldn't readily come up with either VERB (23D: Crow, but not magpie) or TERM (31A: Sentence ... or something found in a sentence). I wanted something like BRAG for the crow/magpie clue, but was rewarded with the much more generic VERB. TERM was invisible only because I had that "I" in ELEA, I think. There were no other trouble spots in this grid. And now it's over. And I'm out. Hope you (and I) get something ... else, tomorrow. Good day.
Well. Ahem. I of course liked this more than Rex. In fact, I enjoyed giving INURN and INTER a bit of a think. Put stuff in the ground or in an urn. It follows, then, that incur could mean feed a mongrel? And you inked your toddler before going outside so they don’t get their feet dirty?
First thought for the blowgun dart was “curare” – when I’m not watching Bravo crap, I’m watching survival shows, and on one show, this regular guy learned how to make poison from a curare vine for his blowdarts.
My daughter has a SACRAL dimple, and that’s the SACRAL I know. But I guess this SACRAL is the adjective form of sacrum - maybe they’re all related, who knows. I do know that when she was a baby, my pediatrician called me at like 10pm one night after I had taken her in for a bad case of diaper rash. He told me that he had been worrying all day after noticing hair growing around the edge of this dimple, and he wanted to have it ultra-sounded. It’s bad enough to hear that your daughter has a weird little hole near her fanny, but to hear that there’s hair growing around it and that the doctor is worried. . . chilling.
“They may be switched while cycling” – I immediately thought of the mystifying, exhausting process that is Mom’s laundry day. Start the cycle, let the washer fill, and then stop it for a bit so her stuff can soak. Then start it back only to listen carefully for the right time to run add softener – she has bat ears.* This enterprise continues with the dryer. Put the fitted sheet in first by itself so socks don’t get caught in the corners (defensible), take that puppy out and add the rest, slacks and sweaters being removed after 10 minutes for their hang-dry finish. Back to rest a bit with her book on tape until the final buzzer, at which point she promptly takes out the flat sheet so that it won’t wrinkle.
GOTAC is a dook that looks like a government acronym. Like GOTAC members, a bunch of grim, uniformed 70-year-olds meeting with NORAD and NASA to discuss our impending demise at the hand of some rogue black hole headed for Peoria. And the black hole has hair growing around it.
*Mom can be sound asleep napping and not hear a door slam, my TV, the heat kick on. . . but let me tiptoe to the fridge to cadge a bite of brie. . . Jerks awake - “Are you getting a snack?” Sigh. What was to be a quick little ten-second snack operation is now an Event; I can’t Not offer to take her some, too, on a plate with her Sundried Tomato Basil Wheat Thins and little slices of cheese. The whole while I’m ashamed of my resentment and impatience ‘cause she’d absolutely do the same for me, sans annoyance.
Great to see Brian Aldiss here, one of my favorite authors. He wrote so many deep and wonderful pieces over so many styles and years, from early classics like the Hothouse stories through the psychedelic anarchy of "Barefoot in the Head" to the rich and beautiful Helliconia saga. And there's no better overview of the sf field (of its time) than his "The Trillion Year Spree".
@Rex discusses the weak fill. I was well aware of the weak fill. Even the constructor said this, "I found the grid surprisingly difficult to fill cleanly, which resulted in a lot of entries I'm not proud of. I'd list them but you already know what they are." Is Will on vacation? I don't understand how this works. I like puns so I did enjoy the theme.
I wasn't hitting on all cylinders today and found this fairly challenging for a Wednesday. Especially the top half. I thought Shiva might be the many-named deity at 14A; didn't know the chess rating system at 2D. INter before INURN at 19D. Never heard of TRANK for tranquilizers (7D), forgot my French (8D) and Greek (22D) history and didn't know the 13D Hugo winner. The bottom half fell much more easily. I knew the two personalities who were clued by their movies (21A and 51A) but didn't know the movies, so those took some time.
Dnfed, having TRANc; didn't notice the 'c' in BAcIN. Ironically, this is where I picked up on the 'IN' theme, and it helped with the solve, just not in the case of the errant 'c', tho. lol
Made progress on Croce's 695 yd. Got (I think) all but the NW, NorCal & Great Lakes. Made a guess on the game/male cross, but don't know the result yet. 🤞 [late in the day update: finally finished; maybe the toughest Croce ever pour moi. Guessed wrong at the aforementioned cross. :( ] A very worthwhile two days spent on this one, on and off. :) See you next Mon. :)
@okanaganer 👍 for 0 dbyd :) ___ yd pg: 6:47 (0 in 30 give or take) / W: 4* (wrong guess at 3). Deployed Joe's BLIMP for yd's Dortle; used WAIFS to get needed info for success. :)
td pg: 6:13 / W: 4* (wrong guess at 3; could've been worse)
Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
There are many ways to enjoy a puzzle. The satisfaction of working through a well-constructed, witty, timely grid; not today. Thinking, “Rex is going to savage this turkey”; nailed it.
Wasn't a big fan of the theme either, but the clue for COMMA (one in 1,000?) was a fun pause for me.
I have a hypothesis that we groan at puns, good and bad ones, because if we replaced our whole vocabulary with puns we wouldn't be able to think clearly. Our subconscious knows this and so our defense is to groan.
The person I know in my life who loves bad puns speaks a dozen odd languages, so he probably has brain data backed up in French.
IMO "FWIW" is not synonymous with "I think." IMO -> "this is only my opinion, I could be wrong." Plug in "I think" and it means basically the same thing. FWIW -> "I am stating this as fact, but it is of questionable relevance." Plug in "I think" and it doesn't mean the same at all. IMO.
Rex suggested that this type of theme may have a (smallish) fan base, and that may be true, but it does not include me. It’s a PPP theme - so very little joy to be had there, and the fill is bad-to-awful. Start right off with 1D and 2D - GAH may be crosswordese or it may in fact be something that actually gets said occasionally (yea, right); and that is the best clue you can come up with for ELO (Chess rating system) ? This is a Wednesday with a PPP theme, not a themeless Saturday - so at least throw us a bone and give us legitimate fill with appropriate clues (did the editor fall asleep again?). It didn’t get much better after that (see ELIA, for example).
Please give us something fresh, well-edited and New York Times-worthy for Thursday - March has had some real ups and downs this year and we are in a stretch of downs - let’s at least try to finish the month off in competent, if not stellar fashion.
This one was a slog for me, but I persevered to my final entry: TERM. Had trouble seein' it, because:
* didn't know if the villain held a TERMinal degree or not (MR vs dR FREEZE)
* didn't know ELEA but had EL_A--which sadly meant ELbA fit
* didn't know KAT, but figured I needed a vowel since I had _BR(M/D) where TERM should go
Finally figured it out.
And all those #*@*&@!%$ textin' initial clues ...
Ah, well--there were a number of enjoyable, entertainin' Hidden Diagonal Words (HDW) in this grid, my favorite one summin' up my overall reaction to this puzzle: SIGH (beginnin' at the 20A square, moves to the NE)
In closin', a Wednesday SIGH inducin' puzzle is infinitely better than no puzzle at all! Already lookin' forward to Thursday.
Agree with Rex 100%. This was very painful. And I don’t mean the theme answers. The fill was just horrible! BTW, “TRANK" may have been the worst of all. Right below N TILE.
My favorite part was the smile-producing theme, and I love how the theme answers accurately sounded like the names they contained, as opposed to, say, if one of them was Ailin’ Alda.
My favorite moment came when I filled in SPARE ME and my brain called out [What the tired tire said]. (I should explain that I’m in the middle of cluing a puzzle and my brain is in cluing mode, where it shouts out cluing possibilities even when I don’t need them.)
My favorite cross was that of SAVE ME and SPARE ME, which could be synonyms.
My favorite clue was for COMMA – [One in 1,000], which Jack may have come up with independently, but it has shown up once before in the NYT (Manny Nosowski, 6/7/02).
Jack, your puzzle was a gift, as it brightened my day. Thank you!
“…only you and like a half a dozen other people are going to ‘like’ these puns…”. Well, I’m one of those half dozen. Didn’t care for GOTAC or INURN and much of the fill is hard to defend (even for the constructor), but the puns made me smile on a day when it seems like the world is sinking even more into misery and suffering than one can imagine.
Is it me or is the clue for 33 down completely off base? I think they meant astronomers because I don't think astrologers have any international time standards do they?
Had a running buddy who punned. Anyone who entertains me on a long run is welcome, plus he's a dentist so puns over drilling jokes anyday.
Apropos LMS and her mom:
Me: Mom, you ok? Need anything? Mom: I'm fine honey. Me: You sure? Mom: Yes, all set. I get up and head to the kitchen. Mom: Oh, are you having something? Me: Yes, a little snack. Mom: What are you having? Me: Dunno, maybe some cheese. Want some? Mom: Well, I don't want to trouble you. Me: It's no bother, what can I fix you? Mom: Hmm, if you're in the cheese, maybe some longhorn cheese on a few crackers would be nice. Oh, with those dill pickle slices on the side. If you're sure you don't mind...
And yes, I wish I could fix up a snack on a pretty china plate for her right now.
Back to the puzzle, the theme helped me get some other clues, which is better than being oblivious to the theme.
The Stoli Group has been out of Russia since about 2002, and has no ties or presence there (except for ongoing litigation against the Putin regime to prevent the trademark name from being used in the very few remaining countries where a faux brand of Russian Stoli is marketed). It does, however, have a presence in Ukraine. The company is headquartered in Luxembourg.
@LMS - always nice to hear from you and your endearingly told struggles. Sounds like you are going for degree of difficulty extra points in the Olympic struggle of life.
I couldn't wait to see what Lewis could come up with today - never disappoints, although more brief than usual?
The ridiculous GAH always makes me smile.
Can't resist - GOTAC is really close to GOPAC, and LMS wasn't far off...GO(T)(P)AC is a dook that looks like a government acronym. Like GOTAC members, a bunch of grim, uniformed 70-year-olds meeting with NORAD and NASA to discuss our impending demise at the hand of some rogue black hole headed for Peoria. And the black hole has hair growing around it.
I've been on a little chess kick lately, and Gotham Chess has a youtube feature called "Guess the ELO" where he watches games and tries to guess the ratings based on their play. He is kind-hearted, but can be really savage with questionable moves.
Another first for me as a relative newbie here: I hated a puzzle. A good puzzle feels almost like a tantric connection with the constructor. This puzzle felt like I was completing it despite, rather than because of, the constructor. Not surprisingly, though, I must object to Rex's use of terms like "yokel" and "hickspeak" in this context. Droppin' your g's is, of course of course of course, an urban thing as well as a rural thing. Isn't Rex an English professor? Shouldn't he know this? Whatever.
For me a very enjoyable, and sort of easy puzzle. Rex's comments are standard for Rex. Ranters always rant. To which I will add that this is what makes his blog attractive to so many of us. Right on, Rex!
Every now and then you wake up on the same wavelength as the constructor. Maybe it was the puns that made me smirk or the pop culture references that I actually knew, but today just flowed for me.
Yikes, what a bunch of grumpypants today! Even after reading @Rex and the commenters (except @Lewis), I still really liked this puzzle! I putzed around until I saw “The Great Emancipator” and realized Lincoln and other proper names had to be the answers to the themers. It worked for me just fine. I also enjoyed the cluing. BEETEAM, EGGS, COMMA and PUNS all gave me a chuckle. It was light fare but It’s Wednesday and I didn’t require any serious pondering.
I find it strange that the constructor knows the fill is bad, which means Will Shortz and his team know it's bad. Some bad fill can be the price to pay for the execution of a great theme. But this is not a great theme.
Harmless puns - not the go big ones I like but whatever. I liked it more than Rex as I was raised in the so-called hick speak vernacular he’s defined. ABRAHAM LINKIN is funny.
Liked the play with ALLAH and ARCHANGEL. Huge side eye to the trio of texting lingo in the bottom.
ALDISS was prolific - I tried but never warmed up to him. The Saliva Tree won a Nebula - and approaches the great Heinlein in scope but not a lot of interest for me beyond that.
Albatross, To answer your question from 10:45 last night. My comment regarding mandate wqs referring to Nancy's comment at 4:37 where she described her request that folks not answer her challenge until after 4 PM. I chafe at the idea of a fellow commenter pretending they have authority, i.e. a mandate. Requests are one thing. but a mandate? that's galling.
My comment regarding Woody Allen was in direct response to Z's comment at 3:48 which in turn was a response to Sloths comment at1:53. I felt someone should point out that not one, not two, but three agencies had investigated Allen and found no wrong doing.
I like puns, but these are based on proper names, of which I didn’t know OW and didn’t know KB was in that show or movie. It was all fairly crossed, though.
Malaprop: INTER before INURN.
Near malaprop: thinking of C++ as a computer-language pun before PROLOG, then seeing GOTAC—which I’d have liked if it was paired with SEATAC.
There are two Zenos, but fortunately can only remember where one of them is from
The five cute themers were enough for me. I enjoyed it.
The theme set set is pretty tight. Rex mentions four names, but the only one that would work is Richard Nixin'. Lewis had a pretty good one in Ailin' Alda.
As soon as I saw Salinger in the clue for 17A I began trying to fit ESME into the space. But no, it's Holden Caulfield! Happy to be reminded of Catcher in the Rye. It was published in 1951 when I was a senior in high school. It knocked all of us out.
As you all know, I tend to really like puns -- but here's what these puns are not:
Not challengin' Not surprisin' Not amusin' Not differin' in any way from one another
And therefore solvin' them didn't require any thinkin' on my part.
Then you add the unfortunate SAVE ME/SPARE ME cross. And the unfortunate INURN/INTER repetition. (So much death and so much disposin' of the body in one small Wednesday puzzle.)
Want it to fill easier? Go with 4 themers, or even three, maybe tighten the theme set a little. But no, 5 theme answers is the new three and N-TILE is the result. Blrrgh.
Thank you @LMS for making burial terms funny. And thanks @Frantic Sloth for Take the volume of Rex's review and turn it down to -11.
@Anon6:59 - Yep. That one arched the eyebrow. I can lawyer it into acceptability if I really try, but there’s better ways to clue FWIW.
@Rob - I think the really serious about it astrologers care about the exact time of birth so I suspect they would use some international standard as a base.
@D. Stilled - Thanks. I did not know that.
@burtonkd - One of the local breweries has a chess night at their taproom. I went fully expecting to get clobbered since I haven’t played much since junior high. Surprisingly, I’m 12-3 at the moment, but it’s definitely more the competition than me. I’ve managed to win three games I should have lost purely because my opponents managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The nice thing is I think we all realize how mediocre we all are so nobody is taking it too seriously. Have another beer and let’s play again.
Hey All ! GOTAC - Not so secret GOvernment TACtical team. They assess situations that need assessing. Like if it's really SHINNY or if it should be SHIMMY. HELL YEAH.
Fun theme. Fill suffered slightly, but came out decent enough. Got a Waggle of W's at the bottom. (Waggle being a group name for W's IMO. Like a Gaggle of geese.) We really need a Festoon of F's. 😁
With having _DO_ in for clue "American ___", after having TRANq in, figured the Across would have a U, so ended up with uDOn. Har. "American UDON". Newest item on the menu at @Zeds Pub.
ET under the weather? AILIN ALIEN.
The prez being idle? JOE BIDIN.
Sorry, these are the jokes folks.
yd -3, should'ves 3 (all very easy again)(Hate. That.)
@Anon9:20 - Personally, I thought @Nancy’s “mandate” was fair. Just a “hey, let others work on this but if it’s after 4:00 be aware there will be spoilers.” Setting a few parameters seems fair to me and they were hardly oppressive (or enforceable for that matter). As for Allen/Farrow - Can we not go there? Anyone who is really curious can spend the next week reading all the slanted think pieces on the interwebs and probably still not be done reading all of them. Here, I can save everyone the time; They all come down to “the other side is lying and here’s how I know,” or “the people I believe are telling the truth and here’s how I know.”
Z, That characterization is precisely why I posted. The reality isn't he said/she said. It's he said, and so did Yale, The Connecticut AG's office, The NY police and NY social services said/ she said. Farrow's position is unsupported by anyone without skin in the game. Not so of Allen's.
Brian ALDISS's 'Supertoys Last All Summer Long', here. Hothouse, here.
@drubytue (8:04 AM) 👍 for your Wordle eagle :)
@burtonkd (8:40 AM)
Thx for the shoutout to 'Gotham Chess'; will check out the YouTube site. :) ___
ELO evokes fond memories of the h.s. chess club I sponsored. Many of my players had ELO ratings. I have a pretty good idea of what my rating is, based on friendly matches with those having ELOs. I find some time every day to do a bit of computer chess.
@TeddyTumbles (9:02 AM)
Welcome aboard! 😊 ___ Peace 🙏 🇺🇦 ~ Compassion ~ Tolerance ~ Kindness to all 🕊
I had already had my own fun with the challenge, solving Joe's quiz the previous day. So that when I urged people to put the solution up after 4 p.m., it was an attempt to protect other solvers from having their own fun spoiled.
Here's how I spent the hours leading up to 4 p.m. (actually up to 4:30) -- and it certainly wasn't policing the blog. I had Tivo'd the film "The Artist" during TCM's "Month of Oscars" -- always their best film month -- and on this ridiculously cold day in NYC in late March, when I was also recovering from a cold, I watched it. I'd seen it, of course, in the theater in 2011, but when you have a memory like mine, everything old is new again. I didn't remember a single frame of the movie, btw. I did remember that eventually there would be some talking -- but I didn't remember when or by whom or why or how much.
I loved the movie as much the second time around. I loved it so much that I almost forgot to return to the blog to check the results of the contest. And I got there about 40 minutes late.
So this is what I was doing while some mouse with an awfully big chip on his shoulder and seemingly marinating in a lot of grievances was gnashing his teeth over my "mandate". There's one in every crowd, right? But it didn't bother me at all. Hope it didn't bother any of you.
yep. Them fillins did get almost to runtpuz desperation levels, here and there. Still, I liked the theme and liked some of the fillins, like: NITPICKY. FWIW. SACRAL ARCHANGEL. MONEYTREE. DORITOS. HELLNO. The ME-ME's.
staff weeject picks: GAH & the chess org. ELO, right outta the chute. Started out one of the funny weeject stacks in the NW & SE.
@Muse darlin: Nice riff, offa INURN. Could make a great runtpuz theme. M&A did one of those kinda dealies off another weird word, just recently. [see below]
RP: "hickspeak"? Well, U then sorta just called all my family hicks. Makes m&e kinda sad. Mostly for @RP. [M&A ain't the Will Smith walk-up-and smack-em type.]
FWIW, I enjoyed this Wednesday PUN fest even though they were a bit on the corny side. But when you think about it, is there any other kind? My favorite was KEVIN BAKIN primarily because Footloose is one of my favorite movies and favorite songs. And the music from that film – wow! If it doesn’t make you want to dance I don’t know what would.
STENOgraphy is a skill whose time has passed but one I was once a real pro at and which I still use to this day. The margins of my crossword puzzle are filled with little squiggly notes and symbols, as are my calendars and things I want to keep secret from anyone else.
I didn't know Caulfield, so my first theme answers ended up being wrong: the Footloose guy making brownies was BAKIN BACON and the Great Emancipator with his URLs was LINCOLN LINKIN.
Sadly, OWIN WILSON took the already-cringe-worthy theme and made it worse by letting me know there weren't even repeated sounds in them.
After today's puzzle, I call a three-week ban on any clues relating "to texters". We've met our quota for the month, thanks.
I rarely agree with Rex on much of anything, but we're lock-step on this one. SPARE ME.
GAH is the perfect intro to this displeasin’ punfest full of nonwords, textspeak, and trivia.
The highlight was coming here and reading Rex’s description of INURN and iNTER as “arcane corpse-handling verbs.”
I did enjoy some of the fill (NITPICKY ARCHANGEL in a MONEY TREE) and some of the cluing (such as that for COMMA, SWARM, and SAVE ME), but overall this puzzle made me want to GOTAC (Go Off To Another Crossword.)
I’m a sucker for most any pun, so this puzzle was fun enough for me, despite the fill weaknesses that have been noted and noted and noted ……………………… and noted.
Famous folk rocker making pickles? Pro basketball player engaging in a side affair? Crying country music legend? British TV journalist goes funeral parlor hopping?
Bob Dillin Trystin Thompson Wailin Jennings Piers Morguein
I thank you for a pretty fun puzzle, Jack Murtagh, but since even you admit that the fill was weak, perhaps a little more time polishing things would have been in order.
I like corny and I like puns but I agree, this puzzle was bad. My first theme answer went in wrong, with bacoNBAKIN, (in spite of the o screwing up RADII) and I even tried giving MRFREEZE a doctorate to solve that corner, to no avail. The texting terms, ugh, plus most everything everyone else mentioned - except the Stoli complaint - heaving a big sigh here. I read that and thought, what, a teetotaler?
Except okay, I liked NITPICKY, GEARS, SWARM, and SPAREME
@Nancy – The thing I remember most about "The Artist" is that a section of the score near the end was stolen from "Vertigo", which completely distracted me the first time I saw it. One minute I was engrossed in the action, then I was thinking, "I've heard this music before...Kim Novak..."Picnic?"...no, it's "Vertigo!" Apparently they stuck it in as placeholder music, but the director decided he liked it there so they got permission to use it. As I recall, it's in the part where she drives to his house and crashes the car into the tree. Granted, a lot of audience members wouldn't pick up on it, but many classic film aficionados did. I think it was a stupid decision to use it. If you can, rewatch that scene and see if you recognize it.
I think I'll pull up a chair and go sit next to @Frantic. There were too many hairs in my Ratatouille; The well- known Anton Ego didn't like the sauce; the chefs toque was filled with runny sauce and there were mice crawling all over the place. Of course I like PUNS. You should've seen me holdin my ribs while laughing at elephant jokes....but holy chitlins in a guak sauce.....this was, well, Anton splained it better than I could. Now I want to sing: HAN GAH SYSOP....Perhaps dance the AHA HOMO SACRAL with MR FREEZE and his pal NUBS. I need some STOLI and a NAP.
@GILL: Just read your post from late last night. I’m honored to be included in any class you are conducting and please let me know when the Mojitos are ready. I’ll be there with my pals KEVIN, ABE and LIZ. HOLDIN wanted to come along but he forgot his ID. 😘
GO-TAC could be the Gotham-Tacoma airport name, sure.
I got a bit lost in this puzzle - I had the perfect HOLDIN' CAULFIELD template staring at me and then wanted BACON BAKIN' and LINCOLN LINKIN', neither of which yielded much for the west central section. I finally realized my error and got back onto to a first name basis.
MONEY TREE - my husband and I used to joke that the previous owner of our house must have a MONEY TREE hiding in the backyard. That guy had so many expensive "toys" - a huge, custom-painted tow truck, an enormous RV, a multi-acre plot north of us where he built his new house, and where he then built one for his son. I can't remember if it was the abstract for the house that finally tipped us off, but it looks like he mortgaged our house multiple times. Luckily, we have not had to do the same (but we don't have an RV, tow truck or two other homes so...)
Jack Murtagh, your name puns were cute and some of the fill cluing was fun. Thanks!
Thought it was easy and kinda fun, but after reading 🦖’s critique, I see his points and agree. No sparkle ❇️ there. Usually if it’s an average puzzle, I have nothing to say… though my critical thinking 🧩 skills are improving - thanks to 🦖 blog and your 🤗comments.
Man, I came here loaded for bear, but scrolling through Rex, I saw he was on top of everything I wanted to rip. I'm starting to see why that Monday disaster was POW. Good God, what are we looking forward to ?
Well, now I have to go back to yesterday to catch up on the "mandate" issue and the Woody/Mia flap. Are my concerns while living on an island getting increasingly trivial ? Yep. (Ooh, sorry about the "hickspeak" Professor.)
@Lewis... Oh, never mind...You're too nice a guy.
I was waiting for Rex to tell us he had never read Salinger.
@Colin O. Scopi: I mean, when was the last time anyone told you your ass looked good?
not to pick too much of a nit, but doc isn't passing judgment on your sphincter or the hams around it. no, no s/he's talking about your 3 or 4 feet of sausage casing.
I don't have a problem with Nancy's request to wait until after 4pm. She created the puzzle, she can ask for accommodations around the thing she created. She made that request so that other people will have more enjoyment, not because she's some boundary-crossing control freak.
@Joe D.-- Me remember that the film score in the car driving scene in "The Artist" was the same as the score in "Vertigo"???? Are you out of your mind?
When I saw "Vertigo" for the 2nd time I couldn't even remember if Kim Novak was or wasn't the same woman. That's the God's honest truth, I swear.
Movie scores I remember? Not too many. The better the movie is, the less likely I am to notice the music at all. I suppose it's my inability to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Exceptions. "GTWT", because of "Million Dollar Movie". "2001" because, hey, it's the "Blue Danube" and hard to miss. The theme from "The Magnificent Seven" because I had an LP once with the best movie themes on it. "How the West Was Won" because it was on the same record. I might have noticed those scores had they been in "The Artist", but not the one from "Vertigo". I wouldn't know the theme from "Vertigo" if I fell over it.
But once again, Joe, your ability to remember all sorts of unrelated stuff astounds me.
I agree with OFL today. The puzzle was second rate, and even the constructor has to admit it. And the themer puns were groaners. I just loved yesterday's romp, but today is one I could have done without. Plus, with all those PPP, I came very close to a DNF, though I ended up getting everything without any lookups.
@LMS LOvee your musing on inter inure inked ec and goat and Yeah I was trying to remember the word curare... So glad you were first on after Rex. Needed some fun. Also enjoyed Lewis (in blue)comments Enjoyed the puns and the puzzle.
OMG, IMO and FWIW, there was no mandate! @Nancy’s first post yesterday said something like “Let’s not post until 4:00 so that we don’t spoil some people’s fun.” Her later second post might have well said “suggested time of 4:00”…so what? Nothing, that’s what. Must we all take things so literally? Geez, I’m pretty good at sniffing out arrogance but no aroma reached my nostrils on THAT!
OFL is, as usual, right on the money. Except I didn't find it easy because of the relentless initialisms and pop-cult obscurities. I think "what is happening," to try to answer his question, is that WS is losing his touch, if indeed he ever had one. Time to go back to Games magazine, Will. Past time.
THANK YOU @Viana 11:14. My piano teacher was Latvian and I learned of Stoli’s home country through her, not because she offered it to me but because we both did crosswords!
Beezer, Nancy herself used the word mandate. I didn't introduce it; I merely reacted to it. Words matter. Surely a blog devoted to them is the place to honor that simple precept. Like everyone else, I had absolutely no problem with her original, eminently reasonable request. However, she later characterized it very differently, specifically as a mandate--as if she had some sort of authority. Who could dispute that is another matter entirely. And it is one I will never abide. Unless your position is that we should take Nancy seriously but not literally, I find your response unpersuasive.
For more evidence that FWIW doesn't mean "I think," note that it is quite often followed with the phrase "I think" separate to that, like "for what it's worth, I think you're swell." I can't even word lawyer it into working. No example of FWIW I could think of can be replaced with "I think." Maybe the teeming masses got one for me.
I actually enjoyed the puns, but I'm easy to please that way. A bit too easy and obvious, though, but made for filling out a lot of crossword real estate lickety split.
And ... oof ... NTILE? Seriously? That is among the most forced bit of fill I've seen in years. I struggle to think of a more egregious example. Plus all the crosswordese effluvia? *shudder*
50% puzzle + 50% comments = a fine morning. I got an laugh out of HOLDIN' CAULFIELD, and thought ARCHANGEL, SHINNY, AGE OUT, NITPICKY, SACRAL + ANTHEM were fine. Otherwise, see @Rex.
Do-over: a stab at MONkey something. No idea: MR. FREEZE, ELO, ALDISS, and that TRANKs are delivered by blowgun (?), Random wondering: whether a STENO and SYSOP would ever match on a dating app or only meet in crosswords.
I don’t think @Rex understood the meaning of the NTILE, because of the clue. All of the letters, N-T-I-L-E are each only worth one point.
This theme has been done so many times. That doesn’t disqualify it as a legit theme, but like our constructor, I wish the grid had offered more for better fill. At first, I thought this would skew “old” with STENO, ARCHANGEL and INURN, but it ran quite the gamut by the time all was said and done. I actually enjoyed the mental image of ABRAHAM LINKIN and thought how apropos if these tumultuous political times that have poor ELIZABETH WARRIN. And the Noah pun is an absolute classic.
Got the theme immediately, but I thought the first was bacon BAKIN, but Ms. Dennings set me straight at 21D. That was my only slow spot. I found this a serviceable Thursday hampered by the grid.
Rex said "And then we get INURN (ugh) and INTER. Because arcane corpse-handling verbs are fun?" and I laughed out loud because that was my thought exactly when I encountered the latter.
If Stoli really is completely detached from Russia the country, they need to change their label. Put "'Russian-style' Vodka" in tiny print, then "DISTILLED IN ESTONIA/ UKRAINE" in big print. Or maybe they already have, because the BC liquor stores removed all Russian products from their shelves so I have no idea.
@egsforbreakfast 11:34am: the Wailin' Jennys are a Canadian band who had the same idea.
[Spelling Bee: yd 8:15 to get pg, then QB before supper. bocamp, you are getting faster!]
@Anonymous 2:47. I feel sure that I will never persuade you. Yes. Words matter. There is no disputing that. However, I tend to look at the original email to draw intent. Words matter for sure in a legal document but if this blog amounted to a legal document I’m pretty sure a judge wouldn’t have retroactively turned the first comment into a mandate. Most blog comments are conversational and most folks don’t parse each and every word they say….unless it has to do with the puzzle of the day…😘
I never once used the word "mandate" yesterday. I only used it today after a bunch of people, both defending me and attacking me, kept using it. Go see for yourself.
Nancy, I'm not attacking you. And I never have. I will however not have you direct my actions. Your "mandated" deadline is something you ginned up. I chafe at the idea that you somehow have authority. Reread your posts of yes tardy. They're imperious--as if your deadline were somehow something that should be honored. it's presumptuous on its face.
Over the past 38 days, I did 19 in regular mode and 19 in hard mode, with the following results: Regular Hard 1 0 0 2 0 1 3 6 8 4 8 7 5 5 2 6 0 0 DNF 0 1 Avg. 3.95 3.76
In calculating the average, I assumed 7.5 for the DNF in hard mode, as there were two possibilities left and although I think I would have gotten it on my next guess, I know that what we think we would do in a situation and what we actually do in that situation are not always the same.
“Hard” mode has more eagles and birdies, fewer bogeys, and a lower average. But it does leave you open to a DNF, which I suspect can always be avoided in regular mode.
If you want to minimize your average score, play hard mode. If you want to avoid the frustration of occasionally having to guess repeatedly at a single missing letter and the occasional DNF, play regular mode.
Well, the New Yorker has gone to five days if you can’t find anything to enjoy and feel Will is comin up shortz. My appreciation of grids is akin to my free throw percentage, so thanks Mr Murtagh. This hick says 👍🏼
I couldn't agree more with Rex's comments - this was in the top 10 of worst crosswords of the thousands I've done. It hit the trifecta of bad - bad fill, bad theme, bad cluing. Holy cow this constructor must have been a relative of one of the editors and they owed him something, because this should never have gone to print. I want to forget about it immediately.
😂🤣😂🤣😂 @Anon - Thank you for the invitation to reread yesterday’s mandate comment. I thought you were being churlish, but your reading skills weren’t up for question until I read before the 4 pm-mandated reveal. In short, you are both churlish and a terrible reader.
@CDilly52 - I debated whether or not that all letters were 1 pointers was part of the answer logic. I decided not but I could still be convinced.
FWIW the clue was not the best. I think the clue was not the best.
Are those two close enough? “FWIW” is best before a fact, but I think it can be used before an opinion. FWIW, this is what I meant earlier when I said I could lawyer a justification.
I know it is made in Latvia, but Stolichnaya is a brand associated in people’s mind with Russia. In these times of Russian barbarism I would prefer not to see iconic Russian brand names in the crossword.
FWIW, I think Rex was too easy on this puzzle. (Notice that I followed FWIW with "I think" and you did *not* think, "why'd he say I think twice?!") FWIW means, roughly, "What I'm about to say may or may not be useful to you, but here it comes..." You can say "FWIW, the capital of Hawaii is Honolulu" or "FWIW, I called Fred yesterday and he sounded happy" or.... anyway. IMO does, roughly, mean "I think." FWIW does not. This is just the horrible tendency of constructors thinking repeating a clue is "cute."
STENO - Definitely needed a "bygone" or "back in the day" or, better yet, removal. INURN - See above. BLOND - The (sexist and objectifying and bygone) term for a woman with blond hair is BLONDE. Ditto the ale. Yes you can find a BLOND ALE or 2 amongst 100 BLONDE ALES, but come on. TERM - A "term" is found in a sentence? What? This was my last empty slot, and since I didn't know KAT or ELEA or whether it was DR or MR, I just clicked reveal to be done with this crap. GOTAC - I give this answer an F. NTILE - Clue could also refer to ATILE, ETILE, ITILE, LTILE, OTILE... plus, blech. ELO - Totally obscure. ECU - Horrible. ELEA - See ELO. GMT - As someone said above, did he mean astronomers and they didn't even catch it? ARE - Name a sentence you can remove "amount to" and substitute "are." "Doesn't are to a hill of beans?" He got the clue from previous crossword usages, but it still makes no sense.
And I haven't even mentioned AHA, YSL, RADII, SACRAL, NHL, AGEOUT, NITPICKY, NOTI, AILING, INTER... all "fine" if there are a couple per puzzle, but this puzzle has more glue than s**t being glued together.
BTW, as soon as I got KEVINBAKIN I went to the other themers and wrote them in without hesitation. Then I had nothing but all the crap above to deal with. Maybe that's why I got so mad.
To those professing to be upset my @Nancy’s. alleged mandate: You don’t actually have to do anything that is mandated on this blog. For example, if I said all of the anonymice need to poop in their pants by 10:00 pm, you don’t actually need to do it.
@Nancy (10:51) "Hope it didn't bother any of you." I certainly wasn't bothered and it appears no one else was either. I find it astounding that anyone would take your perfectly reasonable proposal and infer it to be some sort of command or authoritarian order. It took some real effort to work up that much faux outrage over something so innocuous. Good grief!
I too had a Wordle eagle today, using a word from the puzzle. Hope you’re over your cold soon.
I with the INURN is a bit comical. INURNed ashes are ashes in urns are... . Like ZENO's paradoxes it might go on forever. INTER upsets people? We should not inter people?
SPAREME SAVEME. Add help me and I'd go to The Who. As it was I was looking for dames tied to RR tracks.
I liked the clue for COMMA. Also good were ARCHANGEL MONEYTREE VOLES HELLNO SWARM and that I almost put in VERB crossing VERB. Talk about action.
I am beginning to think if you like PUNS it doesn't matter whether they are good or bad. And the same is true if you don't. FWIW I think the I Noah guy was the best pun in the puzzle and @egs puns were better than the ones in the puzzle. Especially Piers Morguein.
@anon Thanks. I missed the Woody thread. Marrying your stepdaughter seems kinda creepy but I have never been convinced of his guilt on molestation charges. I still like his movies. Then again I still love Chinatown too.
@Carola 8:28 - It's a fair point, and I did think of that, as in Sound of Music's "two and two are four..." etc., but a) I've never heard anyone say that who was *not* in "The Sound of Music" (in amurrica we say "equals") and b) mentioning it really didn't fit into my righteously indignant rant. ;-)
I know it is made in Latvia, but Stolichnaya is a brand associated in people’s mind with Russia. In these times of Russian barbarism I would prefer not to see iconic Russian brand names in the crossword.
Thank you @Whatsername and @Albatross for your thoughtful and supportive comments.
When a blog comment is both undeniably hostile and completely unprovoked, it really should be zapped every time. I think at least one moderator may have been asleep at the switch.
But back in the days before blog moderation, it was much, much worse. I remember LMS's deathless words about one particularly nasty anon. She called him "a boil on the bum of the blog."
Any time one of those awful !-style command clues (“Beat it!” for EGG) appears, I lose all interest in finishing the grid. It’s God-awful trash that should be taken out back and shot along with the editor that allows it.
Thanks, @ghkozen! I thought I had bitched about absolutely *everything* wrong with this puzzle, but forgot to include the "Beat it!" clue... the annoyance it caused was magnified by everything you had to slog thru to get to it.
I’m surprised he didn’t hammer specifically on the themes inconsistency off the bat; the first clue was a pun on the first name, all the following were last names. I wanted it to be “linkinlincoln”.
Ladies and gentlemen: there is a new Worst Puzzle Ever. Unless...it is so filled with crossword crap that it may have been intended as a parody: How NOT to construct crossword puzzles! If that's the case, it was brilliant; I don't think he could have stuffed one more scrap of garbage in there.
But...I don't think that's the case. Go back to the 9-to-5, Jack, please. I once heard of a pro on the PGA Tour get a 17 on a hole. I'm gonna give this one an 18.
To more pleasant stuff: again in Wordle I used @Joe Dipinto's trick--and this time scored a 100% cinch birdie!
A long time ago, I was solving this puzzle and got stuck at an unguessable (to me) crossing: N. C. WYETH crossing NATICK at the "N"—I knew WYETH but forgot his initials, and NATICK ... is a suburb of Boston that I had no hope of knowing. It was clued as someplace the Boston Marathon runs through (???). Anyway, NATICK— the more obscure name in that crossing—became shorthand for an unguessable cross, esp. where the cross involves two proper nouns, neither of which is exceedingly well known. NATICK took hold as crossword slang, and the term can now be both noun ("I had a NATICK in the SW corner...") or verb ("I got NATICKED by 50A / 34D!")
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Well. Ahem. I of course liked this more than Rex. In fact, I enjoyed giving INURN and INTER a bit of a think. Put stuff in the ground or in an urn. It follows, then, that incur could mean feed a mongrel? And you inked your toddler before going outside so they don’t get their feet dirty?
First thought for the blowgun dart was “curare” – when I’m not watching Bravo crap, I’m watching survival shows, and on one show, this regular guy learned how to make poison from a curare vine for his blowdarts.
My daughter has a SACRAL dimple, and that’s the SACRAL I know. But I guess this SACRAL is the adjective form of sacrum - maybe they’re all related, who knows. I do know that when she was a baby, my pediatrician called me at like 10pm one night after I had taken her in for a bad case of diaper rash. He told me that he had been worrying all day after noticing hair growing around the edge of this dimple, and he wanted to have it ultra-sounded. It’s bad enough to hear that your daughter has a weird little hole near her fanny, but to hear that there’s hair growing around it and that the doctor is worried. . . chilling.
“They may be switched while cycling” – I immediately thought of the mystifying, exhausting process that is Mom’s laundry day. Start the cycle, let the washer fill, and then stop it for a bit so her stuff can soak. Then start it back only to listen carefully for the right time to run add softener – she has bat ears.* This enterprise continues with the dryer. Put the fitted sheet in first by itself so socks don’t get caught in the corners (defensible), take that puppy out and add the rest, slacks and sweaters being removed after 10 minutes for their hang-dry finish. Back to rest a bit with her book on tape until the final buzzer, at which point she promptly takes out the flat sheet so that it won’t wrinkle.
GOTAC is a dook that looks like a government acronym. Like GOTAC members, a bunch of grim, uniformed 70-year-olds meeting with NORAD and NASA to discuss our impending demise at the hand of some rogue black hole headed for Peoria. And the black hole has hair growing around it.
*Mom can be sound asleep napping and not hear a door slam, my TV, the heat kick on. . . but let me tiptoe to the fridge to cadge a bite of brie. . . Jerks awake - “Are you getting a snack?” Sigh. What was to be a quick little ten-second snack operation is now an Event; I can’t Not offer to take her some, too, on a plate with her Sundried Tomato Basil Wheat Thins and little slices of cheese. The whole while I’m ashamed of my resentment and impatience ‘cause she’d absolutely do the same for me, sans annoyance.
Great to see Brian Aldiss here, one of my favorite authors. He wrote so many deep and wonderful pieces over so many styles and years, from early classics like the Hothouse stories through the psychedelic anarchy of "Barefoot in the Head" to the rich and beautiful Helliconia saga. And there's no better overview of the sf field (of its time) than his "The Trillion Year Spree".
@Rex discusses the weak fill. I was well aware of the weak fill. Even the constructor said this, "I found the grid surprisingly difficult to fill cleanly, which resulted in a lot of entries I'm not proud of. I'd list them but you already know what they are." Is Will on vacation? I don't understand how this works. I like puns so I did enjoy the theme.
I wasn't hitting on all cylinders today and found this fairly challenging for a Wednesday. Especially the top half. I thought Shiva might be the many-named deity at 14A; didn't know the chess rating system at 2D. INter before INURN at 19D. Never heard of TRANK for tranquilizers (7D), forgot my French (8D) and Greek (22D) history and didn't know the 13D Hugo winner. The bottom half fell much more easily. I knew the two personalities who were clued by their movies (21A and 51A) but didn't know the movies, so those took some time.
I could have done without the Russian vodka brand.
Thx Jack; a crackin' good puz! :)
Med.
Dnfed, having TRANc; didn't notice the 'c' in BAcIN. Ironically, this is where I picked up on the 'IN' theme, and it helped with the solve, just not in the case of the errant 'c', tho. lol
Loved the 'I Noah guy' PUN.
Learned Money Tree; what a beautiful plant!
Another fun and enjoyable experience! :)
@jae
Made progress on Croce's 695 yd. Got (I think) all but the NW, NorCal & Great Lakes. Made a guess on the game/male cross, but don't know the result yet. 🤞 [late in the day update: finally finished; maybe the toughest Croce ever pour moi. Guessed wrong at the aforementioned cross. :( ] A very worthwhile two days spent on this one, on and off. :) See you next Mon. :)
@okanaganer 👍 for 0 dbyd :)
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yd pg: 6:47 (0 in 30 give or take) / W: 4* (wrong guess at 3). Deployed Joe's BLIMP for yd's Dortle; used WAIFS to get needed info for success. :)
td pg: 6:13 / W: 4* (wrong guess at 3; could've been worse)
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Take the volume of Rex's review and turn it down to -11 and you have my opinion.
Which is zero.
No love. No hate. No foolin'.
VTY,
Hickspeak Sloth
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There are many ways to enjoy a puzzle. The satisfaction of working through a well-constructed, witty, timely grid; not today. Thinking, “Rex is going to savage this turkey”; nailed it.
Wasn't a big fan of the theme either, but the clue for COMMA (one in 1,000?) was a fun pause for me.
I have a hypothesis that we groan at puns, good and bad ones, because if we replaced our whole vocabulary with puns we wouldn't be able to think clearly. Our subconscious knows this and so our defense is to groan.
The person I know in my life who loves bad puns speaks a dozen odd languages, so he probably has brain data backed up in French.
IMO "FWIW" is not synonymous with "I think." IMO -> "this is only my opinion, I could be wrong." Plug in "I think" and it means basically the same thing. FWIW -> "I am stating this as fact, but it is of questionable relevance." Plug in "I think" and it doesn't mean the same at all. IMO.
Rex suggested that this type of theme may have a (smallish) fan base, and that may be true, but it does not include me. It’s a PPP theme - so very little joy to be had there, and the fill is bad-to-awful. Start right off with 1D and 2D - GAH may be crosswordese or it may in fact be something that actually gets said occasionally (yea, right); and that is the best clue you can come up with for ELO (Chess rating system) ? This is a Wednesday with a PPP theme, not a themeless Saturday - so at least throw us a bone and give us legitimate fill with appropriate clues (did the editor fall asleep again?). It didn’t get much better after that (see ELIA, for example).
Please give us something fresh, well-edited and New York Times-worthy for Thursday - March has had some real ups and downs this year and we are in a stretch of downs - let’s at least try to finish the month off in competent, if not stellar fashion.
This one was a slog for me, but I persevered to my final entry: TERM. Had trouble seein' it, because:
* didn't know if the villain held a TERMinal degree or not (MR vs dR FREEZE)
* didn't know ELEA but had EL_A--which sadly meant ELbA fit
* didn't know KAT, but figured I needed a vowel since I had _BR(M/D) where TERM should go
Finally figured it out.
And all those #*@*&@!%$ textin' initial clues ...
Ah, well--there were a number of enjoyable, entertainin' Hidden Diagonal Words (HDW) in this grid, my favorite one summin' up my overall reaction to this puzzle: SIGH (beginnin' at the 20A square, moves to the NE)
In closin', a Wednesday SIGH inducin' puzzle is infinitely better than no puzzle at all! Already lookin' forward to Thursday.
Quite similar to yesterday’s puzzle, in that once you get the first themer the rest are basically automatic.
MONEY TREE was new to me.
We've had TRANq before, now TRANK. Can we standardize this?
N TILE. Right.
Agree with Rex 100%. This was very painful. And I don’t mean the theme answers. The fill was just horrible! BTW, “TRANK" may have been the worst of all. Right below N TILE.
My favorite part was the smile-producing theme, and I love how the theme answers accurately sounded like the names they contained, as opposed to, say, if one of them was Ailin’ Alda.
My favorite moment came when I filled in SPARE ME and my brain called out [What the tired tire said]. (I should explain that I’m in the middle of cluing a puzzle and my brain is in cluing mode, where it shouts out cluing possibilities even when I don’t need them.)
My favorite cross was that of SAVE ME and SPARE ME, which could be synonyms.
My favorite clue was for COMMA – [One in 1,000], which Jack may have come up with independently, but it has shown up once before in the NYT (Manny Nosowski, 6/7/02).
Jack, your puzzle was a gift, as it brightened my day. Thank you!
Team elide did this puzzle
Awful, just awful
I was happy to see virtue signaling for STOLI - Grow some, snowflakes, we feel your pain
This was just joyless. The only reason that my streak is still intact is because it was so easy.
“…only you and like a half a dozen other people are going to ‘like’ these puns…”. Well, I’m one of those half dozen. Didn’t care for GOTAC or INURN and much of the fill is hard to defend (even for the constructor), but the puns made me smile on a day when it seems like the world is sinking even more into misery and suffering than one can imagine.
Wordle 284 2/6
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Seed word from the puzzle.
Didn't think much of the theme - and some weak fill too - as others have said, not the best. Still, another puzzle tomorrow...!
I knew you would hate this because I even disliked it strongly. I didn’t like that they switched the “punny” name from first to last either.
Is it me or is the clue for 33 down completely off base? I think they meant astronomers because I don't think astrologers have any international time standards do they?
Had a running buddy who punned. Anyone who entertains me on a long run is welcome, plus he's a dentist so puns over drilling jokes anyday.
Apropos LMS and her mom:
Me: Mom, you ok? Need anything?
Mom: I'm fine honey.
Me: You sure?
Mom: Yes, all set.
I get up and head to the kitchen.
Mom: Oh, are you having something?
Me: Yes, a little snack.
Mom: What are you having?
Me: Dunno, maybe some cheese. Want some?
Mom: Well, I don't want to trouble you.
Me: It's no bother, what can I fix you?
Mom: Hmm, if you're in the cheese, maybe some longhorn cheese on a few crackers would be nice. Oh, with those dill pickle slices on the side. If you're sure you don't mind...
And yes, I wish I could fix up a snack on a pretty china plate for her right now.
Back to the puzzle, the theme helped me get some other clues, which is better than being oblivious to the theme.
And it's hump day. 🐫
@ Samodelka (6:23 am)
The Stoli Group has been out of Russia since about 2002, and has no ties or presence there (except for ongoing litigation against the Putin regime to prevent the trademark name from being used in the very few remaining countries where a faux brand of Russian Stoli is marketed). It does, however, have a presence in Ukraine. The company is headquartered in Luxembourg.
DNF because I just disliked it for reasons others have stated.
Well, I liked it.
@LMS - always nice to hear from you and your endearingly told struggles. Sounds like you are going for degree of difficulty extra points in the Olympic struggle of life.
I couldn't wait to see what Lewis could come up with today - never disappoints, although more brief than usual?
The ridiculous GAH always makes me smile.
Can't resist - GOTAC is really close to GOPAC, and LMS wasn't far off...GO(T)(P)AC is a dook that looks like a government acronym. Like GOTAC members, a bunch of grim, uniformed 70-year-olds meeting with NORAD and NASA to discuss our impending demise at the hand of some rogue black hole headed for Peoria. And the black hole has hair growing around it.
I've been on a little chess kick lately, and Gotham Chess has a youtube feature called "Guess the ELO" where he watches games and tries to guess the ratings based on their play. He is kind-hearted, but can be really savage with questionable moves.
Another first for me as a relative newbie here: I hated a puzzle. A good puzzle feels almost like a tantric connection with the constructor. This puzzle felt like I was completing it despite, rather than because of, the constructor. Not surprisingly, though, I must object to Rex's use of terms like "yokel" and "hickspeak" in this context. Droppin' your g's is, of course of course of course, an urban thing as well as a rural thing. Isn't Rex an English professor? Shouldn't he know this? Whatever.
@drubytue.
I considered your seed word but chose a different one(also in the puzz).
Wordle 284 3/6
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Congrats for eagle.
For me a very enjoyable, and sort of easy puzzle. Rex's comments are standard for Rex. Ranters always rant. To which I will add that this is what makes his blog attractive to so many of us. Right on, Rex!
Trivia....laden....drivel.
First time commenter here 👋
Every now and then you wake up on the same wavelength as the constructor. Maybe it was the puns that made me smirk or the pop culture references that I actually knew, but today just flowed for me.
Yikes, what a bunch of grumpypants today! Even after reading @Rex and the commenters (except @Lewis), I still really liked this puzzle! I putzed around until I saw “The Great Emancipator” and realized Lincoln and other proper names had to be the answers to the themers. It worked for me just fine. I also enjoyed the cluing. BEETEAM, EGGS, COMMA and PUNS all gave me a chuckle. It was light fare but It’s Wednesday and I didn’t require any serious pondering.
I had bakin’ bacon and thought we were going somewhere. But alas…
I find it strange that the constructor knows the fill is bad, which means Will Shortz and his team know it's bad. Some bad fill can be the price to pay for the execution of a great theme. But this is not a great theme.
So why exactly did this puzzle get published?
Harmless puns - not the go big ones I like but whatever. I liked it more than Rex as I was raised in the so-called hick speak vernacular he’s defined. ABRAHAM LINKIN is funny.
Liked the play with ALLAH and ARCHANGEL. Huge side eye to the trio of texting lingo in the bottom.
ALDISS was prolific - I tried but never warmed up to him. The Saliva Tree won a Nebula - and approaches the great Heinlein in scope but not a lot of interest for me beyond that.
Simplistic but enjoyable enough solve.
Albatross, To answer your question from 10:45 last night.
My comment regarding mandate wqs referring to Nancy's comment at 4:37 where she described her request that folks not answer her challenge until after 4 PM. I chafe at the idea of a fellow commenter pretending they have authority, i.e. a mandate. Requests are one thing. but a mandate? that's galling.
My comment regarding Woody Allen was in direct response to Z's comment at 3:48 which in turn was a response to Sloths comment at1:53.
I felt someone should point out that not one, not two, but three agencies had investigated Allen and found no wrong doing.
I like puns, but these are based on proper names, of which I didn’t know OW and didn’t know KB was in that show or movie. It was all fairly crossed, though.
Malaprop: INTER before INURN.
Near malaprop: thinking of C++ as a computer-language pun before PROLOG, then seeing GOTAC—which I’d have liked if it was paired with SEATAC.
There are two Zenos, but fortunately can only remember where one of them is from
The five cute themers were enough for me. I enjoyed it.
The theme set set is pretty tight. Rex mentions four names, but the only one that would work is Richard Nixin'. Lewis had a pretty good one in Ailin' Alda.
As soon as I saw Salinger in the clue for 17A I began trying to fit ESME into the space. But no, it's Holden Caulfield! Happy to be reminded of Catcher in the Rye. It was published in 1951 when I was a senior in high school. It knocked all of us out.
As you all know, I tend to really like puns -- but here's what these puns are not:
Not challengin'
Not surprisin'
Not amusin'
Not differin' in any way from one another
And therefore solvin' them didn't require any thinkin' on my part.
Then you add the unfortunate SAVE ME/SPARE ME cross. And the unfortunate INURN/INTER repetition. (So much death and so much disposin' of the body in one small Wednesday puzzle.)
GAH.
Want it to fill easier? Go with 4 themers, or even three, maybe tighten the theme set a little. But no, 5 theme answers is the new three and N-TILE is the result. Blrrgh.
Thank you @LMS for making burial terms funny. And thanks @Frantic Sloth for Take the volume of Rex's review and turn it down to -11.
@Anon6:59 - Yep. That one arched the eyebrow. I can lawyer it into acceptability if I really try, but there’s better ways to clue FWIW.
@Rob - I think the really serious about it astrologers care about the exact time of birth so I suspect they would use some international standard as a base.
@D. Stilled - Thanks. I did not know that.
@burtonkd - One of the local breweries has a chess night at their taproom. I went fully expecting to get clobbered since I haven’t played much since junior high. Surprisingly, I’m 12-3 at the moment, but it’s definitely more the competition than me. I’ve managed to win three games I should have lost purely because my opponents managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The nice thing is I think we all realize how mediocre we all are so nobody is taking it too seriously. Have another beer and let’s play again.
Hey All !
GOTAC - Not so secret GOvernment TACtical team. They assess situations that need assessing. Like if it's really SHINNY or if it should be SHIMMY. HELL YEAH.
Fun theme. Fill suffered slightly, but came out decent enough. Got a Waggle of W's at the bottom. (Waggle being a group name for W's IMO. Like a Gaggle of geese.) We really need a Festoon of F's. 😁
With having _DO_ in for clue "American ___", after having TRANq in, figured the Across would have a U, so ended up with uDOn. Har. "American UDON". Newest item on the menu at @Zeds Pub.
ET under the weather? AILIN ALIEN.
The prez being idle? JOE BIDIN.
Sorry, these are the jokes folks.
yd -3, should'ves 3 (all very easy again)(Hate. That.)
Three F's
RooMonster
DarrinV
Cyclists shift gears, they don't "switch" them. But, really, I agree with Rex, there are bigger nits to pick.
@Anon9:20 - Personally, I thought @Nancy’s “mandate” was fair. Just a “hey, let others work on this but if it’s after 4:00 be aware there will be spoilers.” Setting a few parameters seems fair to me and they were hardly oppressive (or enforceable for that matter).
As for Allen/Farrow - Can we not go there? Anyone who is really curious can spend the next week reading all the slanted think pieces on the interwebs and probably still not be done reading all of them. Here, I can save everyone the time; They all come down to “the other side is lying and here’s how I know,” or “the people I believe are telling the truth and here’s how I know.”
That's not what a mandate is Z.
As for Allen Farrow, Sloth went there. You followed.
Z,
That characterization is precisely why I posted. The reality isn't he said/she said. It's he said, and so did Yale, The Connecticut AG's office, The NY police and NY social services said/ she said.
Farrow's position is unsupported by anyone without skin in the game. Not so of Allen's.
Me, too, @drubytue!
Wordle 284 2/6
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Unlike you, I didn't use a seed word from today's puzzle. But I now know what yours was.
Brian ALDISS's 'Supertoys Last All Summer Long', here. Hothouse, here.
@drubytue (8:04 AM) 👍 for your Wordle eagle :)
@burtonkd (8:40 AM)
Thx for the shoutout to 'Gotham Chess'; will check out the YouTube site. :)
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ELO evokes fond memories of the h.s. chess club I sponsored. Many of my players had ELO ratings. I have a pretty good idea of what my rating is, based on friendly matches with those having ELOs. I find some time every day to do a bit of computer chess.
@TeddyTumbles (9:02 AM)
Welcome aboard! 😊
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For what it's worth, Stoli isn't actually Russian anymore--it's been made in Latvia for some time. Still a very weak puzzle....
Bad puns are the best puns! I would just say that maybe this was more of a Tuesday level puzzle.
Like @jberg I put in INTER before INURN…then INTER malapopped at the bottom.
I DID have to go back and check the puzzle when I thought I was done…I always tend to spell the vodka nickname STOLY…GAH!
Speaking of GAH. One of my favorite nonsense exclamations. It is very versatile!
I did this early this morning before a colonoscopy.
For purposes of comparison, it was more fun than the preparation but less fun than the anesthesia.
And so to bed.
"Mandate"????
I had already had my own fun with the challenge, solving Joe's quiz the previous day. So that when I urged people to put the solution up after 4 p.m., it was an attempt to protect other solvers from having their own fun spoiled.
Here's how I spent the hours leading up to 4 p.m. (actually up to 4:30) -- and it certainly wasn't policing the blog. I had Tivo'd the film "The Artist" during TCM's "Month of Oscars" -- always their best film month -- and on this ridiculously cold day in NYC in late March, when I was also recovering from a cold, I watched it. I'd seen it, of course, in the theater in 2011, but when you have a memory like mine, everything old is new again. I didn't remember a single frame of the movie, btw. I did remember that eventually there would be some talking -- but I didn't remember when or by whom or why or how much.
I loved the movie as much the second time around. I loved it so much that I almost forgot to return to the blog to check the results of the contest. And I got there about 40 minutes late.
So this is what I was doing while some mouse with an awfully big chip on his shoulder and seemingly marinating in a lot of grievances was gnashing his teeth over my "mandate". There's one in every crowd, right? But it didn't bother me at all. Hope it didn't bother any of you.
Rex was too kind to this puzzle. It was just fifty shades of dreadful.
yep. Them fillins did get almost to runtpuz desperation levels, here and there. Still, I liked the theme and liked some of the fillins, like: NITPICKY. FWIW. SACRAL ARCHANGEL. MONEYTREE. DORITOS. HELLNO. The ME-ME's.
staff weeject picks: GAH & the chess org. ELO, right outta the chute. Started out one of the funny weeject stacks in the NW & SE.
@Muse darlin: Nice riff, offa INURN. Could make a great runtpuz theme. M&A did one of those kinda dealies off another weird word, just recently. [see below]
RP: "hickspeak"? Well, U then sorta just called all my family hicks. Makes m&e kinda sad. Mostly for @RP. [M&A ain't the Will Smith walk-up-and smack-em type.]
Thanx for the fun, Mr. Murtagh dude.
Masked & Anonymo3Us
**gruntz**
FWIW, I enjoyed this Wednesday PUN fest even though they were a bit on the corny side. But when you think about it, is there any other kind? My favorite was KEVIN BAKIN primarily because Footloose is one of my favorite movies and favorite songs. And the music from that film – wow! If it doesn’t make you want to dance I don’t know what would.
STENOgraphy is a skill whose time has passed but one I was once a real pro at and which I still use to this day. The margins of my crossword puzzle are filled with little squiggly notes and symbols, as are my calendars and things I want to keep secret from anyone else.
I didn't know Caulfield, so my first theme answers ended up being wrong: the Footloose guy making brownies was BAKIN BACON and the Great Emancipator with his URLs was LINCOLN LINKIN.
Sadly, OWIN WILSON took the already-cringe-worthy theme and made it worse by letting me know there weren't even repeated sounds in them.
After today's puzzle, I call a three-week ban on any clues relating "to texters". We've met our quota for the month, thanks.
I rarely agree with Rex on much of anything, but we're lock-step on this one. SPARE ME.
Stoli is Latvian, and the company is and always was very much anti Russian.
SYSOP? In 2022? Seriously?
GAH is the perfect intro to this displeasin’ punfest full of nonwords, textspeak, and trivia.
The highlight was coming here and reading Rex’s description of INURN and iNTER as “arcane corpse-handling verbs.”
I did enjoy some of the fill (NITPICKY ARCHANGEL in a MONEY TREE) and some of the cluing (such as that for COMMA, SWARM, and SAVE ME), but overall this puzzle made me want to GOTAC (Go Off To Another Crossword.)
I’m a sucker for most any pun, so this puzzle was fun enough for me, despite the fill weaknesses that have been noted and noted and noted ……………………… and noted.
Famous folk rocker making pickles?
Pro basketball player engaging in a side affair?
Crying country music legend?
British TV journalist goes funeral parlor hopping?
Bob Dillin
Trystin Thompson
Wailin Jennings
Piers Morguein
I thank you for a pretty fun puzzle, Jack Murtagh, but since even you admit that the fill was weak, perhaps a little more time polishing things would have been in order.
I like corny and I like puns but I agree, this puzzle was bad.
My first theme answer went in wrong, with bacoNBAKIN, (in spite of the o screwing up RADII) and I even tried giving MRFREEZE a doctorate to solve that corner, to no avail. The texting terms, ugh, plus most everything everyone else mentioned - except the Stoli complaint - heaving a big sigh here. I read that and thought, what, a teetotaler?
Except okay, I liked NITPICKY, GEARS, SWARM, and SPAREME
@Nancy – The thing I remember most about "The Artist" is that a section of the score near the end was stolen from "Vertigo", which completely distracted me the first time I saw it. One minute I was engrossed in the action, then I was thinking, "I've heard this music before...Kim Novak..."Picnic?"...no, it's "Vertigo!" Apparently they stuck it in as placeholder music, but the director decided he liked it there so they got permission to use it. As I recall, it's in the part where she drives to his house and crashes the car into the tree. Granted, a lot of audience members wouldn't pick up on it, but many classic film aficionados did. I think it was a stupid decision to use it. If you can, rewatch that scene and see if you recognize it.
@ pabloinnh (10:43 am)
The only good thing about a colonoscopy is when you come out of the anesthesia and the proctologist tells you "it looks good."
I mean, when was the last time anyone told you your ass looked good?
Wow! I would not like to be on the receiving end of this pan. Crossword puzzle constructors must, I suppose like all writers, have very thick skins.
I think I'll pull up a chair and go sit next to @Frantic. There were too many hairs in my Ratatouille; The well- known Anton Ego didn't like the sauce; the chefs toque was filled with runny sauce and there were mice crawling all over the place.
Of course I like PUNS. You should've seen me holdin my ribs while laughing at elephant jokes....but holy chitlins in a guak sauce.....this was, well, Anton splained it better than I could.
Now I want to sing: HAN GAH SYSOP....Perhaps dance the AHA HOMO SACRAL with MR FREEZE and his pal NUBS.
I need some STOLI and a NAP.
@GILL: Just read your post from late last night. I’m honored to be included in any class you are conducting and please let me know when the Mojitos are ready. I’ll be there with my pals KEVIN, ABE and LIZ. HOLDIN wanted to come along but he forgot his ID. 😘
@beverly c: Love your pup picture!
GO-TAC could be the Gotham-Tacoma airport name, sure.
I got a bit lost in this puzzle - I had the perfect HOLDIN' CAULFIELD template staring at me and then wanted BACON BAKIN' and LINCOLN LINKIN', neither of which yielded much for the west central section. I finally realized my error and got back onto to a first name basis.
MONEY TREE - my husband and I used to joke that the previous owner of our house must have a MONEY TREE hiding in the backyard. That guy had so many expensive "toys" - a huge, custom-painted tow truck, an enormous RV, a multi-acre plot north of us where he built his new house, and where he then built one for his son. I can't remember if it was the abstract for the house that finally tipped us off, but it looks like he mortgaged our house multiple times. Luckily, we have not had to do the same (but we don't have an RV, tow truck or two other homes so...)
Jack Murtagh, your name puns were cute and some of the fill cluing was fun. Thanks!
Thought it was easy and kinda fun, but after reading 🦖’s critique, I see his points and agree. No sparkle ❇️ there. Usually if it’s an average puzzle, I have nothing to say… though my critical thinking 🧩 skills are improving - thanks to 🦖 blog and your 🤗comments.
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@Nancy (10:01 AM) 👍 for your eagle! :)
@pabloinnh (10:43 AM) 🙏 for a speedy recovery! :)
@burtonkd re: ELO
Gotham Chess is amazing! thx, so much, for the tip! :)
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D. Stilled (8:23)
egsforbreakfast (11:34)
Man, I came here loaded for bear, but scrolling through Rex, I saw he was on top of everything I wanted to rip. I'm starting to see why that Monday disaster was POW. Good God, what are we looking forward to ?
Well, now I have to go back to yesterday to catch up on the "mandate" issue and the Woody/Mia flap. Are my concerns while living on an island getting increasingly trivial ? Yep. (Ooh, sorry about the "hickspeak" Professor.)
@Lewis... Oh, never mind...You're too nice a guy.
I was waiting for Rex to tell us he had never read Salinger.
@Colin O. Scopi:
I mean, when was the last time anyone told you your ass looked good?
not to pick too much of a nit, but doc isn't passing judgment on your sphincter or the hams around it. no, no s/he's talking about your 3 or 4 feet of sausage casing.
Easy-medium. Put me in the @Sloth camp on this one, I think.
I don't have a problem with Nancy's request to wait until after 4pm. She created the puzzle, she can ask for accommodations around the thing she created. She made that request so that other people will have more enjoyment, not because she's some boundary-crossing control freak.
@Joe D.-- Me remember that the film score in the car driving scene in "The Artist" was the same as the score in "Vertigo"???? Are you out of your mind?
When I saw "Vertigo" for the 2nd time I couldn't even remember if Kim Novak was or wasn't the same woman. That's the God's honest truth, I swear.
Movie scores I remember? Not too many. The better the movie is, the less likely I am to notice the music at all. I suppose it's my inability to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Exceptions. "GTWT", because of "Million Dollar Movie". "2001" because, hey, it's the "Blue Danube" and hard to miss. The theme from "The Magnificent Seven" because I had an LP once with the best movie themes on it. "How the West Was Won" because it was on the same record. I might have noticed those scores had they been in "The Artist", but not the one from "Vertigo". I wouldn't know the theme from "Vertigo" if I fell over it.
But once again, Joe, your ability to remember all sorts of unrelated stuff astounds me.
I agree with OFL today. The puzzle was second rate, and even the constructor has to admit it. And the themer puns were groaners. I just loved yesterday's romp, but today is one I could have done without. Plus, with all those PPP, I came very close to a DNF, though I ended up getting everything without any lookups.
Tomorrow, they say, is another day.
@LMS LOvee your musing on inter inure inked ec and goat and Yeah I was trying to remember the word curare...
So glad you were first on after Rex. Needed some fun.
Also enjoyed Lewis (in blue)comments
Enjoyed the puns and the puzzle.
Agree that FWIW absolutely does NOT mean "I think." As Anonymous @6:59 says, it means, essentially "this is true, but I'm not sure it's helpful"
Nancy,
I chafed at your arrogance, I didn't stew in it. There is no way you are directing my actions.
@egsforbreakfast - I love your list!!!
It reminded me the punnily-named Wailin'Jennys
@bocamp - glad you enjoyed the chess site. He also does recaps of tournaments, plus instructional materials - both free and paid.
OMG, IMO and FWIW, there was no mandate! @Nancy’s first post yesterday said something like “Let’s not post until 4:00 so that we don’t spoil some people’s fun.” Her later second post might have well said “suggested time of 4:00”…so what? Nothing, that’s what. Must we all take things so literally? Geez, I’m pretty good at sniffing out arrogance but no aroma reached my nostrils on THAT!
OFL is, as usual, right on the money. Except I didn't find it easy because of the relentless initialisms and pop-cult obscurities. I think "what is happening," to try to answer his question, is that WS is losing his touch, if indeed he ever had one. Time to go back to Games magazine, Will. Past time.
THANK YOU @Viana 11:14. My piano teacher was Latvian and I learned of Stoli’s home country through her, not because she offered it to me but because we both did crosswords!
Beezer,
Nancy herself used the word mandate. I didn't introduce it; I merely reacted to it. Words matter. Surely a blog devoted to them is the place to honor that simple precept.
Like everyone else, I had absolutely no problem with her original, eminently reasonable request. However, she later characterized it very differently, specifically as a mandate--as if she had some sort of authority. Who could dispute that is another matter entirely. And it is one I will never abide.
Unless your position is that we should take Nancy seriously but not literally, I find your response unpersuasive.
For more evidence that FWIW doesn't mean "I think," note that it is quite often followed with the phrase "I think" separate to that, like "for what it's worth, I think you're swell." I can't even word lawyer it into working. No example of FWIW I could think of can be replaced with "I think." Maybe the teeming masses got one for me.
I actually enjoyed the puns, but I'm easy to please that way. A bit too easy and obvious, though, but made for filling out a lot of crossword real estate lickety split.
And ... oof ... NTILE? Seriously? That is among the most forced bit of fill I've seen in years. I struggle to think of a more egregious example. Plus all the crosswordese effluvia? *shudder*
50% puzzle + 50% comments = a fine morning. I got an laugh out of HOLDIN' CAULFIELD, and thought ARCHANGEL, SHINNY, AGE OUT, NITPICKY, SACRAL + ANTHEM were fine. Otherwise, see @Rex.
Do-over: a stab at MONkey something. No idea: MR. FREEZE, ELO, ALDISS, and that TRANKs are delivered by blowgun (?), Random wondering: whether a STENO and SYSOP would ever match on a dating app or only meet in crosswords.
I don’t think @Rex understood the meaning of the NTILE, because of the clue. All of the letters, N-T-I-L-E are each only worth one point.
This theme has been done so many times. That doesn’t disqualify it as a legit theme, but like our constructor, I wish the grid had offered more for better fill. At first, I thought this would skew “old” with STENO, ARCHANGEL and INURN, but it ran quite the gamut by the time all was said and done. I actually enjoyed the mental image of ABRAHAM LINKIN and thought how apropos if these tumultuous political times that have poor ELIZABETH WARRIN. And the Noah pun is an absolute classic.
Got the theme immediately, but I thought the first was bacon BAKIN, but Ms. Dennings set me straight at 21D. That was my only slow spot. I found this a serviceable Thursday hampered by the grid.
Rex said "And then we get INURN (ugh) and INTER. Because arcane corpse-handling verbs are fun?" and I laughed out loud because that was my thought exactly when I encountered the latter.
If Stoli really is completely detached from Russia the country, they need to change their label. Put "'Russian-style' Vodka" in tiny print, then "DISTILLED IN ESTONIA/ UKRAINE" in big print. Or maybe they already have, because the BC liquor stores removed all Russian products from their shelves so I have no idea.
@egsforbreakfast 11:34am: the Wailin' Jennys are a Canadian band who had the same idea.
[Spelling Bee: yd 8:15 to get pg, then QB before supper. bocamp, you are getting faster!]
@Anonymous 2:47. I feel sure that I will never persuade you. Yes. Words matter. There is no disputing that. However, I tend to look at the original email to draw intent. Words matter for sure in a legal document but if this blog amounted to a legal document I’m pretty sure a judge wouldn’t have retroactively turned the first comment into a mandate. Most blog comments are conversational and most folks don’t parse each and every word they say….unless it has to do with the puzzle of the day…😘
I never once used the word "mandate" yesterday. I only used it today after a bunch of people, both defending me and attacking me, kept using it. Go see for yourself.
nancy,
You're quite right. You used the word mandated, not mandate. (see your post of 4:37 PM yesterday)
Nancy,
I'm not attacking you. And I never have. I will however not have you direct my actions. Your "mandated" deadline is something you ginned up. I chafe at the idea that you somehow have authority. Reread your posts of yes tardy. They're imperious--as if your deadline were somehow something that should be honored. it's presumptuous on its face.
Wordle alert.
Over the past 38 days, I did 19 in regular mode and 19 in hard mode, with the following results:
Regular Hard
1 0 0
2 0 1
3 6 8
4 8 7
5 5 2
6 0 0
DNF 0 1
Avg. 3.95 3.76
In calculating the average, I assumed 7.5 for the DNF in hard mode, as there were two possibilities left and although I think I would have gotten it on my next guess, I know that what we think we would do in a situation and what we actually do in that situation are not always the same.
“Hard” mode has more eagles and birdies, fewer bogeys, and a lower average. But it does leave you open to a DNF, which I suspect can always be avoided in regular mode.
If you want to minimize your average score, play hard mode. If you want to avoid the frustration of occasionally having to guess repeatedly at a single missing letter and the occasional DNF, play regular mode.
wow.... something must be in the nyc water... how did this even make it to print... Lordy Lordy... sigh..
Well, the New Yorker has gone to five days if you can’t find anything to enjoy and feel Will is comin up shortz. My appreciation of grids is akin to my free throw percentage, so thanks Mr Murtagh. This hick says 👍🏼
I couldn't agree more with Rex's comments - this was in the top 10 of worst crosswords of the thousands I've done. It hit the trifecta of bad - bad fill, bad theme, bad cluing. Holy cow this constructor must have been a relative of one of the editors and they owed him something, because this should never have gone to print. I want to forget about it immediately.
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@Anon - Thank you for the invitation to reread yesterday’s mandate comment. I thought you were being churlish, but your reading skills weren’t up for question until I read before the 4 pm-mandated reveal. In short, you are both churlish and a terrible reader.
@CDilly52 - I debated whether or not that all letters were 1 pointers was part of the answer logic. I decided not but I could still be convinced.
FWIW the clue was not the best.
I think the clue was not the best.
Are those two close enough? “FWIW” is best before a fact, but I think it can be used before an opinion. FWIW, this is what I meant earlier when I said I could lawyer a justification.
@Zed
FWIW, I think the clue stunk. 😂
I know it is made in Latvia, but Stolichnaya is a brand associated in people’s mind with Russia. In these times of Russian barbarism I would prefer not to see iconic Russian brand names in the crossword.
FWIW, I think Rex was too easy on this puzzle.
(Notice that I followed FWIW with "I think" and you did *not* think, "why'd he say I think twice?!")
FWIW means, roughly, "What I'm about to say may or may not be useful to you, but here it comes..."
You can say "FWIW, the capital of Hawaii is Honolulu" or "FWIW, I called Fred yesterday and he sounded happy" or.... anyway.
IMO does, roughly, mean "I think." FWIW does not.
This is just the horrible tendency of constructors thinking repeating a clue is "cute."
STENO - Definitely needed a "bygone" or "back in the day" or, better yet, removal.
INURN - See above.
BLOND - The (sexist and objectifying and bygone) term for a woman with blond hair is BLONDE. Ditto the ale. Yes you can find a BLOND ALE or 2 amongst 100 BLONDE ALES, but come on.
TERM - A "term" is found in a sentence? What? This was my last empty slot, and since I didn't know KAT or ELEA or whether it was DR or MR, I just clicked reveal to be done with this crap.
GOTAC - I give this answer an F.
NTILE - Clue could also refer to ATILE, ETILE, ITILE, LTILE, OTILE... plus, blech.
ELO - Totally obscure.
ECU - Horrible.
ELEA - See ELO.
GMT - As someone said above, did he mean astronomers and they didn't even catch it?
ARE - Name a sentence you can remove "amount to" and substitute "are." "Doesn't are to a hill of beans?" He got the clue from previous crossword usages, but it still makes no sense.
And I haven't even mentioned AHA, YSL, RADII, SACRAL, NHL, AGEOUT, NITPICKY, NOTI, AILING, INTER... all "fine" if there are a couple per puzzle, but this puzzle has more glue than s**t being glued together.
BTW, as soon as I got KEVINBAKIN I went to the other themers and wrote them in without hesitation. Then I had nothing but all the crap above to deal with. Maybe that's why I got so mad.
To those professing to be upset my @Nancy’s. alleged mandate: You don’t actually have to do anything that is mandated on this blog. For example, if I said all of the anonymice need to poop in their pants by 10:00 pm, you don’t actually need to do it.
@Nancy (10:51) "Hope it didn't bother any of you." I certainly wasn't bothered and it appears no one else was either. I find it astounding that anyone would take your perfectly reasonable proposal and infer it to be some sort of command or authoritarian order. It took some real effort to work up that much faux outrage over something so innocuous. Good grief!
I too had a Wordle eagle today, using a word from the puzzle. Hope you’re over your cold soon.
@Matt 7:57 - I've always taken that sort of clue for ARE to refer to arithmetic: "Two and two amount to four," i.e., ARE four.
I with the INURN is a bit comical. INURNed ashes are ashes in urns are... . Like ZENO's paradoxes it might go on forever. INTER upsets people? We should not inter people?
SPAREME SAVEME. Add help me and I'd go to The Who. As it was I was looking for dames tied to RR tracks.
I liked the clue for COMMA. Also good were ARCHANGEL MONEYTREE VOLES HELLNO SWARM and that I almost put in VERB crossing VERB. Talk about action.
I am beginning to think if you like PUNS it doesn't matter whether they are good or bad. And the same is true if you don't. FWIW I think the I Noah guy was the best pun in the puzzle and @egs puns were better than the ones in the puzzle. Especially Piers Morguein.
@anon
Thanks. I missed the Woody thread. Marrying your stepdaughter seems kinda creepy but I have never been convinced of his guilt on molestation charges. I still like his movies. Then again I still love Chinatown too.
@Carola 8:28 - It's a fair point, and I did think of that, as in Sound of Music's "two and two are four..." etc., but a) I've never heard anyone say that who was *not* in "The Sound of Music" (in amurrica we say "equals") and b) mentioning it really didn't fit into my righteously indignant rant. ;-)
@Nancy
Everybody knows the "mandate" complaint was junk. I'm sure you don't need us to tell you. And people clearly enjored your poser too.
I know it is made in Latvia, but Stolichnaya is a brand associated in people’s mind with Russia. In these times of Russian barbarism I would prefer not to see iconic Russian brand names in the crossword.
Thank you @Whatsername and @Albatross for your thoughtful and supportive comments.
When a blog comment is both undeniably hostile and completely unprovoked, it really should be zapped every time. I think at least one moderator may have been asleep at the switch.
But back in the days before blog moderation, it was much, much worse. I remember LMS's deathless words about one particularly nasty anon. She called him "a boil on the bum of the blog."
I can't improve on that.
Russian Vodka is banned now in the Ontario liquor stores. But Stoli is still on the shelves because it is Latvian. 🇱🇻
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Literally, and I do mean literally, laugh-out-loud funny.
I came here for the rant and was not disappointed😊
Any time one of those awful !-style command clues (“Beat it!” for EGG) appears, I lose all interest in finishing the grid. It’s God-awful trash that should be taken out back and shot along with the editor that allows it.
Thanks, @ghkozen! I thought I had bitched about absolutely *everything* wrong with this puzzle, but forgot to include the "Beat it!" clue... the annoyance it caused was magnified by everything you had to slog thru to get to it.
I’m surprised he didn’t hammer specifically on the themes inconsistency off the bat; the first clue was a pun on the first name, all the following were last names. I wanted it to be “linkinlincoln”.
Ladies and gentlemen: there is a new Worst Puzzle Ever. Unless...it is so filled with crossword crap that it may have been intended as a parody: How NOT to construct crossword puzzles! If that's the case, it was brilliant; I don't think he could have stuffed one more scrap of garbage in there.
But...I don't think that's the case. Go back to the 9-to-5, Jack, please. I once heard of a pro on the PGA Tour get a 17 on a hole. I'm gonna give this one an 18.
To more pleasant stuff: again in Wordle I used @Joe Dipinto's trick--and this time scored a 100% cinch birdie!
YYYGB
BGGYB (exploring)
GGGGG
With hundreds of submission landing on the editor’s desk every week, it’s really hard to believe this is the one that was selected.
PS - Alas, if only I would have used my usual starter word today I would have solved Wordle in one move…
Wordle 319 3/6*
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🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
FWIW, IMO
SAVEME please when I AGEOUT,
INURN and INTER ME, I SAY,
SPAREME from ever HOLDIN' doubt,
I'm NOT NITPICKY, BTW.
--- MR. LEROY ALDISS
GAH, SPAREME!
Firat wordle ever for me today:
YYYGB
GGGGG
Maybe time to quit
@rondo: looks like we both used RATIO. Right away I figured _RAI_, but there's TRAIL, TRAIN & TRAIT, so I stuck FRANK in there and hit the N.
@spacey - Yes starter was RATIO
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